What Happened to the GS Ball in the Pokemon Anime? | The Pewter Museum
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- The GS Ball is one of the most infamous parts of the Pokemon anime's history. For almost 20 years people have been mystified about this storyline that was seemingly dropped for no reason. Why was it cancelled? What were the plans? In this video I take you through the entire GS Ball saga's history. From the story line's conception, to its introduction, and eventual cancellation, this is the only way to get the full GS Ball story.
When Brock left the show it really made me sad as a kid, I liked that he had different interests like cooking and cleaning.
Yeah, Tracey just never did it for me as a kid.
Brock was cool, charming and funny. Tracey was lame in comparison.
Agreed, his Pokemon at the time was literally the only thing interesting about him. (That was BEFORE Gold/Silver came out.)
I thought Brock was all goofy and awkward, but like you two, I think I preferred him over Tracey. I thought his dream of breeding* Pokemon was the cool part. I was just told his Cooking was the most important skill they had as they traveled. He was a teenager, so a lot of things about him that I didn't understand back in the day make more sense now.
Tracey, as you said, was just NOT as interesting.
*In my defense, I had no idea what that word meant way back when. I just thought it meant taking care of them.
@@Maniacman2030 Hahahaha, no worries, man. I watched it in spanish at the time, so the word used was closer to "caretaker" than "breeder" if I remember correctly.
Brock was quite goofy indeed, always trying to flirt with girls and failing miserably. He was a bit of a butt of the joke, but he still was able to earn my respect with his reliability. He kinda was like the big brother of the team, and I respected him for that.
Tracey, on the other hand... just couldn't fill any of the roles that Brock left vacant. And so, the series was worse off as a result.
And sexual harassment. All I ever wanted was for Brock to finally get laid.
Takeshi is the beast, man that guy is the only person in series who can recognise every single Nurse Joy without mistakes!
they only proper use the GS ball on Pokemon Adventures manga. It was created by Pryce from the feathers of Lugia and Ho-Oh to capture Celebi because the feathers of those 2 pokemon could contain Celebi and prevent their holder from suffering the ill effects of time travel
Slight correction: The "Johto League Champions" title card was designed entirely for 4Kids Entertainment and never appeared in the original show. 4Kids being infamous for never paying attention to their own material, it's very likely they designed that card just assuming that the GS Ball would come back eventually. Little did they know...
I've heard that sometimes 4kids made those mistakes for fun just to see if the fans would take notice. This whole GS ball think is the fault of the original writers. I feel sorry for 4kids having to deal with this bad writing thanks to Japans sloppy writers. Sadly its not just them either.
I miss them purely for all the Kids WB memories we've had growing up.
@@smb-c3po The One Piece dub? Good lord...
@@Maniacman2030 Never watched it.
@@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon welcome to Japan, good at drawing, bad at writing.
According to a Japanese interview with the staff of the Anime, the GS ball was entirely made up to addvertise Pokemon Gold and Silver and generate hype. This was requested by the game developers and the actual staff of the TV show had no say in this. They had no idea or plans which Pokemon were supposed to be inside the ball, they just complied to the request without giving it much thought. This means, they didn't even have the plan for it to be related to Celebi.
Yea, the GS ball first appears at the end of the film Mewtwo Strikes Back. At this point they were even just getting ready to establish Lugia's original design.
Except writers have confirmation it was celebi and only cancelled due to the movie
Lesson learned here, when you have a plot line that fans of the story are very invested in (or that has had a long arc) complete it as best you can, don’t just scarp it and hope the fans forget about all it. (Especially since there is such a thing as RERUNS people aren’t gonna forget about it)
With the anime ending, I hope they wrap up this plot point, and explain why Brock left Professor Ivy.
I hope it does prefect chances
"Don't mention that name!"
She has friend zoned him. :/
The creator of the anime said it was because Ivy is a lesbian.
I think misty said she dumped him.
Where brock started to cry.
I actually stopped watching pokemon as a kid around the middle or end of the Johto series, though not entirely because of the GS ball itself. I thought it was getting boring (because of all the filler) and just stuck with playing the games for a couple more generations, as well as reading the pokemon adventure manga. This makes so much more sense now in hindsight, though, for why kid-me thought the show had fallen off, because it had, and now I have a reason that satisfies that disappointment kid-me had.
10:21 10:39 I love how when he talks about that the writers had to add random fillers, it's edited in twice. :D
I did, is this just self aware commentary that is filler, or an accident. Either way it’s funny.
I remember "patiently" waiting (& hoping) for Celebi to be revealed from the GS ball. They made sure to keep it in our minds & it didn't even get used in the movie with Celebi, which would have been better than nothing. If they really messed up the show for that movie we really got the short end of the stick that particular movie was okay, having Celebi in the show would have been so much better & made me excited as a little kid.
3 years later this video gets recommended. It was good. Thanks for the work!
You're welcome
Putting Mew in the game is most likely what made Pokemon so appealing to make a sequel for. Let’s be honest, catching Mewtwo was boring to finish with and every rumour regarding Mew under the truck probably made the Pokemon franchise so much more popular!
To this day I think the only reason I know as much as I do about pokemon is because of that mystery. It's an adventure and what's an adventure without a mystery? Having the mew and missingno stuff. The unknown caves in gold and silver. The brail codes in ruby saphire. The games to me, were about figuring out a mystery. Somthing we started to get less and less of later on. I remember checking every cell for hidden items. Speaking to every NPC. Looking at assets to see if anything was off. Actually, I kinda have to credit these games for my career and modding hobbies.
Mewtwo wasn't boring but otherwise I agree
Imagine actually believing that bogus rumor
@@GassHighGear You obviously weren't a kid at the time, boomer.
I mean this person in my class had an uncle who worked at Nintendo you know. He let me read his answers on a test one day so obviously he wasn’t lying.
I don't get why they couldn't fill the Gap with suicune, raikou, or ho-oh
That's Japan for you great at drawing bad at writing and sadly 4kids had to deal with this stuff.
When I first came to America from Japan as a student, I was surprised to see that not everyone had a mobile device. When mobile devices did become more available, American devices acted different. We attached special cartridges and wires for special compatible games. Americans didn’t have emotes yet I don’t think.
As a kid, I stopped watching Pokemon because of all the filler in Johto. I remember getting super frustrated with how long it was taking them to get to Earthteak City
Yep
Would be interesting if the new season would start answering old questions that the series left behind
Very well done! I don't usually bother commenting but here's some support for a small channel, good luck :)
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I’m surprised team rocket never found out about the GS ball because of how much they always Stalking ash and friends and listen in with their tech
I'm sure they did find out about it. We all know exactly how that would go down...
Jessie: what's that?
James: some different pokeballs?
Meowth: looks the same to me, and since I'm the top cat, I know how to investigate a ball.
Jessie & james: of course.
*sneaks over, checks it out, can't open it*.
Meowth: The thing's broken, just a piece of junk!
Jessie & James: that's good enough for me! Let's get back to stealing that pikachu!
The fact they ignored this plot still has me mad
The GS ball was basically a Chekov’s gun that never fired.
10:21 - 10:56 Most deja-vu moment ever😅
I was about to say that hahaha
Whoa... never thought of it that way, but all the filler makes sense now.
There's no mystery.
The creator said it was supposed to be for celebi but then the movie came out so they wrote it out of the show and hoped everyone would just forget.
Little did the creator realize fans can have long memories.
@@alphabladelm2011 Which is kind of idiotic. What was the whole point of Ash even receiving the GS Ball then?
I remember waiting for the GS ball as well. I also stopped watching sometime after Ash won the Fog Badge (Morty's gym) just because I was getting fed up with filler. I'm glad I didn't stick around. It wasn't worth it.
I always thought it'd be nice to have some of the original series reanimated and remastered, maybe up to the end of Gen 4.
Same cast, same story, just told with more fluidity. Maybe try to place the 1st 4 movies into a kind of Canon. Kinda of like a "Pokémon Kai" If you will.
Fantastic video. The only issue I have is that odd moment at 10:21 where you repeated yourself a bit. I don't mind too much but I can imagine it bugging some viewers.
As someone who was a 2000s kid, I wasn't aware of the GS Ball being in the show (I remember seeing one of the episodes) but I can imagine being very frustrated at the show if I watched it from when it first aired. Writers abandoning minor albeit important plot points is annoying enough but a major plot? That is unacceptable and as you said, it gave me a good laugh when they said a movie centering on Celebi made it redundant. That's probably one of the prime examples of a stupid business decision with little logic or thought put into it.
The amount of filler really killed the Johto anime for me. I've been rewatching the Pokemon anime and if it wasn't for the amount of boring 22 minute time wasters clogging up the series, I would have easily called it a major improvement. Season 1 wasn't enjoyable for me aside from some great episodes and Orange Islands was surprisingly decent despite it essentially being 100% filler. The Johto arc is both good and bad with the good ones reaching higher highs than that of the first 2 seasons. I'm not a big fan of the Pokemon anime compared to when I was a kid but there have been some good sagas over the years (Advanced being my favourite nostalgic wise).
Thanks for the constructive criticism!
The amount of filler in Johto is just insanely unbearable. Scrapping the GS Ball arc is probably the whole reason why I look at Johto so negatively. If they keep that arc the amount of filler drops drastically, and honestly, it probably would have been a great saga. The distance between Gen 2 and Gen 3 releasing was the longest in the franchise's history at that point, so the anime was basically begging for another major arc to fill up that time.
I wish those in Japan would be more responsible with there writing. From what I've heard anime and manga's are often worked on at the same time over there and when they write there manga's its only one person doing both art styles of the writing and drawing. Though since Pokémon's more of a video game then anything I'm not sure what happened here. I feel sorry for 4kids having to deal with this awful GS ball arc. Not there fault as Japan needs to pay attention to its writers more and get some help with presenting these shows.
Something that still bugs me to this day is Butterfree being switched with Venomoth back in gen 1. Venonat clearly looks like Butterfree and Venomoth looks like Caterpie and Metapod. Also it's a shame that Marowak didn't evolve into Kankeskahn
I miss Kids WB and pretty much Saturday morning cartoons in general.
@@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon their writing*
it's*
than*
This is why grammar matters.
"Advanced yet Primitive" feels like they were planting the idea of time travel at least.
People left the show not because a pokeboll went missing. People left the show because 5 in 50 episodes contained a slight kernel of story progression and ash grew up slower than the audience and even somehow gets younger several times.
Poor filler is killer.
I don't get it, Pokemon was mostly filler from the beginning. The show was never about some Grand story, it was about the fun wacky adventures these characters would have together in this crazy world of Pokemon. So how dare they give us more of that after we enjoyed it so much?!
@@zs4580 I guess Johto had a little too many episodes where nothing of importance happened...
As much as I love the fourth movie I feel a dedicated arc would’ve been so much better,meanwhile Ho-Oh didn’t have any relevant appearance in any movie or the main anime besides cameos (I’m not counting I Choose You because
1.-It’s an AU
2.-Marshadow was still the main focus),at least Raikou and Suicune eventually got featured in the Zoroark movie
The sad fact is I thought as a kid the gs ball wasn't related at all to celebi and was instead a Pokemon who force locked the seal after the passing of his trainer who had the initials gs ( I had lost a friend at the time so that may I have messed with my judgement)
I’d honestly be so hype if previous MC’s from previous games like Wes Etc. were to make cameo’s and a GS ball Celebi that’d be the ultimate fan service.
How do you have so few subs dude this content is amazing
Gs ball. Gold and silver ball. Maybe originally ho-oh or lugia was held inside them long ago or was made to make them easier to capture
"It's simple yet complex. Classic but bold. Advanced while still somehow primitive. In other words- I don't have a clue."
Stopped all things Pokemon after this tragedy off nothing. Did I hear Oak really say he didn't care about this Ancient Ball anymore? That was that. I knew better to move onto new media at those points.
So Mew wasn’t originally meant to exist. Then what the hell was the explanation for Mewtwo?
What I find is so dumb about all of this is they could have made the movie about suicune and then promoted crystal thru that and kept the celebi arc 🤷♂️
Welcome to Japan. Great at drawing and bad at writing.
@@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon Most animes are well written. It's just Pokémon that's trash and it's not just the anime; it's the games as well. There are so many things wrong with everything that the Pokémon company does even up to scarlet and violet.
@@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon Why do you seem so bitter about Japan?
I didn't remember that the early anime designs looked more to the Ken Sugimori art style.
Writers: I'm sure the fans will just forget about it
Fans: Reality is often dissapointing
Welcome to Japan. Great drawing skills. Writing skills not so much.
@@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon unless you watch any anime beyond one aimed at children?
@@jonathanferguson7791 Just Japan shows in general from what I've noticed regardless of age demographic. Again Japan has horrible writing skills and great drawing skills.
@@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon You need to get out there more, watch more than pokemon and dbz bud. There are a plethora of amazingly written stories not just limited to anime/manga in Japan but there are plenty that would blow your mind.
@@jonathanferguson7791 Sorry I'm not a big anime fan I've been watching Star Trek Lower Decks and Star Trek Prodigy.
It’s crazy as a kid I remember it and it disappeared out of no where like what happened but this makes me go into peace with the GS ball but it would have been cool to see a Pokémon come out if it
I hope that the New arc and New protagonists might encounter the GS ball and perhaps find some way to fit it in the canon again, Perhaps with some New lego i side :)
There were three tiers of disappointment that caused me to gradually become disillusioned with what the anime had become. 1. Ash loses the Indigo League --> 2. The GS Ball is thrown away --> 3. The TPCi recast Even so, while it was no longer the anime I loved, I was still invested for a bit and didn't really begin to lose interest until towards the end of Sinnoh, though. I got back on the wagon w/ Alola, and with everything that's happened since, I still feel emotional about the coming end and what it is doing to provide closure.
The way they portrayed Ash throughout the 1st Season, It makes sense he lost..
@@davidlewis5189 I know, but as a child who had no nuance of these things, I just wanted it to happen. I guess you could say I identified with those shortcomings and wanted validation back then. But it's been so long and I've outgrown and subsumed so many illusions since that time, it's hard for me to tell one way or the other what it was back then...
@@Mnemoniforma9.00 It's frustrating seeing Ash not use strategy and think just steamroller with his underdeveloped pokemon would be enough
I would have been about 2-2 1/2 when this "arc" was going on, so I would have been too young to remember when it first aired, but I did see reruns of Kanto and Orange Islands on Cartoon Network sometime in 2007 or 2008. And my parents didn't really let me use the internet back then, so I didn't know that this arc went unresolved. I think I stopped watching Pokemon for one reason or another, or maybe the reruns of the older episodes stopped, it's hard to remember. Either way, I thought that the GS Ball had some sort of payoff, but then a few years later I remembered it and looked it up to see what the arc was all about, and I was so disappointed to find out that it was left with Kurt.
I get having a movie and story arc about Celebi would have been redundant, but I still think they could have found some way to connect the show and movie. I mean they did it with Mewtwo, why couldn't they do it for Celebi?
And as far as I know there are still several unanswered questions about the GS Ball itself.
- Who created it?
- Where did Professor Ivy get it from?
- Why can't it be teleported? (This could probably be explained away by being made of some unique material)
- Why was Celebi in there?
Part of me had hoped that Pokemon Journeys would have done something with it, but alas I was a fool.
In the end I like to think that Kurt is still trying to get it open almost 25 years later.
Some might say they dropped the ball.
That joke was deeper than Ash’s voicelines over 25 years
Alot of work went into this video well done man
Late, but I suspect the reason why movies stopped receiving anime lead-ups like Mewtwo got was actually the Porygon Incident. With how episodes were originally scheduled, Mewtwo would have debuted in the anime, and then appeared in the movie with its introduction complete. When the Porygon Incident forced the show to be delayed, the movie ended up coming out *before* any of those anime episodes, defeating their mystery. After that, I just see them deciding that it's not worth doing any more movie lead-ups in the event that there are any more delays (or, in the worst case scenario, a movie gets cancelled at the last minute).
I guess I was a pretty dumb kid, because I totally forgot about the GS ball until years later. Also, the Johto league champions title card was only a dub thing. They had no idea what was going to happen by the end of Johto and whether or not the GS ball would return. There was still quite a few episodes left in Japan in Johto at that point and I doubt they were talking to the Japanese writers so they really had no clue. How were they supposed to know that this thing that was super important just going to disappear?
Out of curiosity aside from shrine in the movie was there ever a shrine in the series that indicate celeb at all
I remember that, as a kid, I simply considered Pokemon movies to be one-offs on a different continuity from the show.
I just couldn't put them on the same timeline.
Even now, I don't feel like they are connected. More like spin-offs made for a good hour-long production.
Naruto was worse with it, but not as bad with filler like some anime *caugh caugh Onepieceand digimon*
@@chadmann2724 Ah, yes. There's pretty much only a single Naruto movie that I consider part of the continuity, and that'd be the one where Naruto and Hinata finally get together.
And by that point, both the anime and manga were already over, so that says something, hahaha.
Plot twist: the GS ball has Ash's Dad's remains in it
Hope you come back and make some more content, this stuff is great.
It's just a Great Smiths Ball, its only purpose was to promote an event that was solely exclusive to Japan at the time.
Realize I never really questioned GS ball disappearance because like I didn't play the original Pokemon game so I never think about it too much all I know is it was just a mysterious Pokeball that was used as a plot device to get Ash to go different places
One year old video, zero dislikes. Never seen that. (Probably jinxed it now...)
Even know i was only a kid, i really wanted to know what was up with that gs ball. Now i know why i never found out
which background sound is this it i loved this sound too much mysterious and smoothing?
This still doesn’t answer what’s inside the ball or is the ball a key?
Wait, was that part at 10:21 and 10:39 supposed to be a meta joke?
10:20 10:40
I'm not going mad, am I?
Yeah he totally went through it twice 🤣
my question is why does johto league start 8 whole episodes after ash was already a few towns deep into johto
The GS Ball suffered from extremely poor planning. It wouldn’t have taken much effort to cook up a decent plot and conclusion for it. They could have replaced some of the filler episodes with some actual buildup and revelations.
Plus, I really wanted to know what happened between Brock and Professor Ivy. It’s been bugging me for ages and it still bugs me now.
Gs ball would be great for gen 8 or gen 4 remakes
You can in fact get it in the VC version of gen 2 on 3DS. The item is finally used in an American ROM. So in the games they let you have it for that event so all the translation finally got used.
@@cartergamegeek yea but can you actually use it in a newer game with out it reverting into a pokeball ,or use it to catch mon
Filler in Johto definitely spoiled my interest. While the silver conference was great and all, that was too much for any viewer, literally atrocious amounts.
I think it has something to do with takeshi. He didn't write m4 and worked for the anime up to 2002.
They still could have written the GS ball into the Celebi movie.
While I had noticed it I had just expected that maybe it's return was going to pay off in other ways other than a major arc. Especially when I played gen 3 and saw all the new balls from this Devon Corp I figured, maybe it's got the gs ball tech. Or maybe it was red herring. Eh its hard to recall anything too specific from such a time in my life for a show I only got to see sporadically. Either way if I had been my current age and saw that I'd probably be pretty annoyed lmao. I still remember how mad I was when Ash left for Hoen and left Misty behind and ohhh I was mad about that tbh.
M8, Misty was one of my first anime girl crushes alongside Sailor Moon*. Them booting her off the show years later was a gutpunch, but at least I was old enough to not really care much about the show anymore. Still, it's those fond memories.
*Carbon-Dating myself here. Its been SO LONG and it's hard to come to terms with the fact I was a KID when this stuff was out.
@@Maniacman2030 jeez Ikr I was in 3rd or 4th grade when I got Ruby/Sapphire so I feel ya man
It's funny considering Hoenn is the water region. Misty would love it there
GS ball is from the future maybe, or the past. Considering it can’t go through the pc could be a clue hinting at that, as well as celebi being able to travel through time.
Edit: as well as Kurt determining its primitive, leaning towards from the past.
3 years later and still no gs ball conclusion
I actually stopped watching the show, not only because the abandoned plot of the GS ball, but also the filler. In that season they stumbled upon on a random trainer with a problem every episode!
Season 4 was all me. Dawn and her *redacted, as user has wished to change his adult opinion*
What if the gs ball has a connection on catching mew as that island stop the pokeball from working
i always thought the gs ball was just a gen 2 version of the master ball as a child
God I forgot how fucking BANGING Pro Ivy was
They should've had Kurt open it and it opened up to like a feather/hair of celebi, saying it contained a powerful pokemon
it would be so cool to see it return
They had a chance to revisit the GS ball in Pokémon journeys just have Ash and Goh be sent to Azalea Town the investigate the GS ball
Going through strong existential crisis as a 90s baby/kid and decided Pokémon at the start would be a good distraction for my state move situation.
This was always one of the Pokémon mysteries I never understood but it wasn’t enough to deter me.
My Pokémon loyalty ended when Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald started.
Red, Blue and Yellow I consider #1 unrivaled but looking back at it I actually enjoyed that weird in-between era and gen 2 a lot actually. (Gold, Silver and Crystal.)
Gen 3 I did give a chance but by the end of it something felt soulless.
I hope you found your way through your crisis.
@@jonathanferguson7791 Mahalo (Hawaiian thank you) I'm stable but depressed my home state is way too expensive.
strange. i never had periphreals growing up and i know for a fact i had a GS ball. never could figure out what to do with it. i took it to kurt but he just said its for a legendary pokemon thats it.
It's obviously just a troll ball made by some hooligan.
I thought it was always related to Celebi though, it made the most sense.
Personality I stopped watching cause they removed the gs ball. I was a kid and was confused and I was getting very bored of the filler so I left the show cause nothing interesting even happend
Pokemon Special at least made the GS Ball as a plot to capture celebi.
The mewtwo strikes back remake sucks none of the original music which means none of the emotional hitting and thats what made the original good
The GenShin Impact ball.
Where are you bro?
maybe the final season he gets the gs ball and finishes with catching celeby
the GS was about open a story ark aboit celebi but when put celebi in 4rde movie change there mind and we forget about it but why the dont tie in movie becuase have more contions before
I wonder if it's a hacked in GameShark ball. Wouldn't they be crazy if it was an Easter egg in the show 🤣
bro ur so underrated wtf??
8:34 Misty yeets her baby.
Why is Mewtwo called that way if Mew never was suppose to exist hmm? I don't believe this fact.
G S maybe = Good Soul. Not just gold and silver?
"For almost 20 years people have been mystified about this storyline that was seemingly dropped for no reason."
I mean, not really? They straight up said that they dropped the storyline because they wanted to avoid redundancy after they decided that the 4th movie would revolve around Celebi
EDIT: Yep, I just got to that part at around 9:30, for people who just want to skip to the answer
10:10 -11:00 same thing said twice 😂
I forgot Psyduck was abused by Misty
04:16 she sounds like that bad text-to-speech software
Man misty be abusing that psyduck
I waited and waited to see what was inside of that stupid ball !!
lol Mewtwo gets more story plot than the GS ball and Celebi 😂
What if GS is a reference to gold n silver
Its a reference to great smiths. It was an event that only took place in Japan.
lugia should be there !!
Okay....Ash might be 10 but rewatch him being given the GS Ball by Professor Ivy. "Uhhh" and he's not looking at the GS Ball he's looking at her 🍈🍈. Lol smart kid is already a little G.
Miss your videos bro