The entire point of the movie was to be thought provoking and begin necessary conversations, so I guess it was worth the investment! Excellent critical analysis Luis.
I know that a lot of people are going to disagree with me on this one, but that only leaves me even more curious to know your thoughts. Feel free to spill them out!
I thought it was excellently done! I knew what Todd Phillips was doing all along right from the first one. Sounds like you "Joker fans" had different expectations of what he did, and now it really burns you inside that you didn't get what you expected. Tod Phillips called it JOKER, by the way... not THE JOKER. Yes, it is a possible origin story, being that the Arthur Fleck character was only an influential figure to THE FUTURE JOKER that that was watching on the side lines. When I repeatedly had seen that guy several times in the film watching Arthur Fleck, I already knew why. I did put the puzzle pieces together in my mind before the whole picture came together.
No- I loved this movie. I thought it combined the best of the best- art film aesthetics, dark drama and comic universe-style camp. Terrific acting and cinematography, too… I thought the movie was mesmerizing- like a beautiful fever dream, a peek into the reality of mental illness. I think this movie will be appreciated in years to come.
The movie doesn't let Arthur experience the full consequences of his actions. The actual consequence would be for him to live with the fact that he made society turn for the worse even though he personally can't abide that people are e mean to each other (the laughing tick he has). But he never finds himself in that position, he never is being confronted with this impact he actually has on society and finally he gets the easy way out.
When I meant by consequence at the end, I meant the… spoiler… death at the end. He gets killed for deciding to not be Joker anymore, which I would consider to be a huge consequence. But I do see your point here. Maybe it could’ve been even more interesting if he was kept alive longer to see the full extent of his negative effect on the world and on himself. That could’ve also been cool.
The critics are wrong. The movie is excellent. I admit though: I know nothing about the DC Universe, although I saw the first one and liked that one, as well.
Didn't believed the critics, didn't believed the ratings, so i watched it... and i wish i didn't. I'll just pretend this movie never existed, much better that way instead of the disgrace it did to the first one's legacy.
Okay I'm in the minority but I do like this movie because it essentially destroys the power fantasy of the Joker and what the first one ended up meaning to so many people the second one is basically here's what would happen if a really depressed dude committed murders and it's just pretty much a realistic top to bottom for trail of what would actually happen to somebody who's like him he's not some Rogue he's not some Champion he's not some Society tearing down whatever he's just a guy who lived a pathetic life and died a pathetic death and in between that he got to see how his actions did affect other people's lives and I think one interesting part about that is that he could not fathom the idea that he negatively affected other people's lives like the guy he let go in the first movie essentially this sequel says no this is just the story of a very sick human being and the people who projected something on to him that he wasn't both in the audience and in the movie were only ever going to be disappointed because he's just Arthur flick
um..... todd phillips said very clearly that he wanted to make a story and the reason he chose the joker was because comic book movies are popular enough to make a lot of people go watch it. (imo this movie sucks though, because of how boring it is) what i mean is i don't get your opinion that this shouldn't have been a joker movie, yes, even todd philips agrees. you went on a very long rant about something that the director has clarified blatantly literally 5 years ago already
In my opinion, if his reason for deciding to make it Joker was purely because comic book movies are popular, I wouldn’t say that was a good choice artistically. Just because something benefits your income, doesn’t mean it benefits the film itself. In this case, an original character would’ve been better for the film itself, artistically speaking. But hey, who am I to talk, since that first movie definitely made huge buck because of it being Joker. So if a lot of people saw it, I guess that’s a win Phillip’s book
The entire point of the movie was to be thought provoking and begin necessary conversations, so I guess it was worth the investment! Excellent critical analysis Luis.
Thank you, that’s exactly what I thought the point of it was as well 👍🏻
I know that a lot of people are going to disagree with me on this one, but that only leaves me even more curious to know your thoughts. Feel free to spill them out!
I thought it was excellently done! I knew what Todd Phillips was doing all along right from the first one. Sounds like you "Joker fans" had different expectations of what he did, and now it really burns you inside that you didn't get what you expected. Tod Phillips called it JOKER, by the way... not THE JOKER. Yes, it is a possible origin story, being that the Arthur Fleck character was only an influential figure to THE FUTURE JOKER that that was watching on the side lines. When I repeatedly had seen that guy several times in the film watching Arthur Fleck, I already knew why. I did put the puzzle pieces together in my mind before the whole picture came together.
Interesting theory you got there with the possible REAL Joker
Especially the “me and my shadow” sequence- it told us all we needed to know!
The Joker Folie A Deux movie is a masterpiece. 20 years from now, critics will view it ad a classic masterpiece like they did with The Shinning.
Dang bro! I gotta admit, that’s a freaking bold statement your making. Let’s wait and see if what you’re saying ends up being true many years from now
No- I loved this movie. I thought it combined the best of the best- art film aesthetics, dark drama and comic universe-style camp. Terrific acting and cinematography, too… I thought the movie was mesmerizing- like a beautiful fever dream, a peek into the reality of mental illness. I think this movie will be appreciated in years to come.
I do have a feeling that it’ll be more appreciated in the future, and I hope it does.
The movie doesn't let Arthur experience the full consequences of his actions. The actual consequence would be for him to live with the fact that he made society turn for the worse even though he personally can't abide that people are e mean to each other (the laughing tick he has). But he never finds himself in that position, he never is being confronted with this impact he actually has on society and finally he gets the easy way out.
When I meant by consequence at the end, I meant the… spoiler… death at the end. He gets killed for deciding to not be Joker anymore, which I would consider to be a huge consequence. But I do see your point here. Maybe it could’ve been even more interesting if he was kept alive longer to see the full extent of his negative effect on the world and on himself. That could’ve also been cool.
Excellent review 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you! 😎👍🏻
The critics are wrong. The movie is excellent. I admit though: I know nothing about the DC Universe, although I saw the first one and liked that one, as well.
I think it is brilliant and loved the film. I can understand why so many people didn’t like it, but the hate has gone too far IMHO.
I loved it
Yes, pronounce it correctly, like he does... Uhum! ;)
I can’t speak French, I tried my best 😅
Didn't believed the critics, didn't believed the ratings, so i watched it... and i wish i didn't. I'll just pretend this movie never existed, much better that way instead of the disgrace it did to the first one's legacy.
Okay I'm in the minority but I do like this movie because it essentially destroys the power fantasy of the Joker and what the first one ended up meaning to so many people the second one is basically here's what would happen if a really depressed dude committed murders and it's just pretty much a realistic top to bottom for trail of what would actually happen to somebody who's like him he's not some Rogue he's not some Champion he's not some Society tearing down whatever he's just a guy who lived a pathetic life and died a pathetic death and in between that he got to see how his actions did affect other people's lives and I think one interesting part about that is that he could not fathom the idea that he negatively affected other people's lives like the guy he let go in the first movie essentially this sequel says no this is just the story of a very sick human being and the people who projected something on to him that he wasn't both in the audience and in the movie were only ever going to be disappointed because he's just Arthur flick
That’s one of the things that I loved about the movie too 👍🏻
It's joker 2 and it's maybe the worst movie I've seen this year.
Oy vey…
um..... todd phillips said very clearly that he wanted to make a story and the reason he chose the joker was because comic book movies are popular enough to make a lot of people go watch it. (imo this movie sucks though, because of how boring it is)
what i mean is i don't get your opinion that this shouldn't have been a joker movie, yes, even todd philips agrees. you went on a very long rant about something that the director has clarified blatantly literally 5 years ago already
In my opinion, if his reason for deciding to make it Joker was purely because comic book movies are popular, I wouldn’t say that was a good choice artistically. Just because something benefits your income, doesn’t mean it benefits the film itself. In this case, an original character would’ve been better for the film itself, artistically speaking. But hey, who am I to talk, since that first movie definitely made huge buck because of it being Joker. So if a lot of people saw it, I guess that’s a win Phillip’s book
Good movie
The movie is shit!!
How much is Todd Phillips/WB paying you ? lol
Zero dollars 😎
@@LuisLopezVierma Hmmmmm....;)
so this movie wasn't Joker 2 it was Joker 'folie a deux the musical'
Good job, you said the title correctly! 👍🏻
Except the “the musical” part lol