I was just digging around my comic box and realized that I had this one! I'm a big Alpha Flight fan (Canadian kid) and I remember this cover calling me.
Great Video. You guys really should to do something on the Byrne/Austin, Star-Lord story in Marvel Preview #11. It's the first time those two worked together. That book definitely blew my little teenaged mind when it came out. Well worth a look!
I met Tom at SDCC in 2010. He was friendly and very happy to talk with me about his past work. I admired his work over Ron Frenz on Star Wars. A class act of a man and true legend.
I bought this book when it came out in late winter ❄️ 1982 , Byrne was on FF 243 right in the middle of his own Galactus trilogy! Great era for Byrne, X-men loss was a FF gain and certainly needed it in my opinion! Tom Palmer is the real +PLUS in this tale and the proof is Silver Surfer b/w essential! Tom has a great hold on tones and placement of black especially on the faces! Side note : Tom also inks Frank Miller on a 1980 Spidey annual with Dr.Strange/Dr.Doom! Doom has a nice 👍 Wally Wood homage to him! Thanks for the trip down memory lane Lol! Keep reading and making comix!
I remember waiting for this comic to come out. The poster in the comic shop blew everyone’s mind. I’ll never forget the excitement of seeing it on the shelf.
I bought this when it first hit the stands, and remember being disappointed that the Byrne art wasn't as slick looking as it did in his X-men when inked by Austin, or even when he inked himself on Fantastic Four. That was the discussion among the few kids I knew who bought it. Obviously, we didn't appreciate Tom Palmer's input then (tho I definitely recognized his contributions with Gene Colan on Doctor Strange). Maybe that's why it didn't sell well? That, plus the $1.00 cover price, as compared to the 50cent - 60cent of regular comics of the day.
@@KTF0 Fortunately he just inked a few of the earlier issues with Byrne artwork on FF (issues 215-221) ...before the official "Byrne run", which went from issues 232- 273, penciled and inked by The Man himself - his best work EVER! - and from issues 274-293, with a bunch of mostly cool and talented inkers (Al Gordon, Jerry Ordway, Terry Austin, P.Craig Russel ..and yeah, Sinnott again)
I remember pulling this off the rack. I was so disappointed that Byrne at peak popularity, was mostly paved over by Palmer. Looking at it now I'm glad. It holds up really well. Great vid
As someone who was a huge Byrne fan back in the day, I had a hard time with how "Palmerized" this story is. Tom was one of those guys who reminded me of the Filipino inkers-they made whomever they inked look great mainly because they made it look like them; the individual style of the penciler be damned. If it was a Sal or John Buscema who was dashing off layouts a mile a minute, yeah, Palmer was awesome because you knew how little he was working with (I met Bob McCloud at a comic shop and he did the barest outline of a figure in his sketchbook then went, "See that? That's what I get from John," lol). He was also awesome when his natural style meshed well with the penciler, hence his being the best inker Adams and Colan ever had. And that Spider-Man/Dr. Strange story by Frank Miller that initially made me think “This ain't gonna work”? Double awesome. But this Silver Surfer story? Great issue if you bought it to see Palmer, not so great if you bought it to see Byrne.
I would have never guessed John Byrne penciled this . . . It looks great . . . But it doesn't look like Byrne to me. The faces look like a completely different artist penciled them. I'm comparing this to Byrne masterpieces like the Dark Phoenix saga, Alpha Flight, and his run on Fantastic Four. The Surfer's face and body aren't even rendered in the typical Byrne fashion. It's closer to a portmanteau of Buscema and Kirby . . . Again, beautiful, nonetheless. You guys are really opening my eyes to what a huge influence the inker has on the finished product!
For that Batman splash, I think the background was just drawn in grease pencil, which gives a kind of charcoal effect when you shoot it as line art, provided the paper has a little tooth. No laborious production work necessary Adams may have seen Kubert using it to great effect quite a bit; check out the beautiful Firehair comics in Showcase from 1969 or so.
Aside from the man himself (and Terry Austin), no one who inks John Byrne's art looks "correct" to me... JB's faces are JB's faces, and inking to the point of it making it more about the inker than the penciller isn't something I'd appreciate as a JB-obsessed kid in the 80s and 90s. Reminds me of DC re-drawing Kirby's Superman faces! Great video as usual.
I think Palmer gives a fleshiness to the inks that are almost Adams-esque and the Surfer feels better to me with a harder edge. I don't know who I'd have put on it besides Byrne himself; you don't want Austin on everything.
If any character needed to be inked by Austin it was Silver Surfer. I LOVE Tom Palmer but I was so let down when I saw this comic. I appreciate it now but then.... Comic Scene had an inkers roundtable with Palmer, Janson, Rubinstein and Layton I really hope you guys dissect. And Warren ran an overview of writers, pencillers, inkers and letterers that might be fun to take a peek at. And Warrior magazine ran some great "Shop Talks" with Brian Bolland and Alan Moore and many others.
I remember when this comic came out, and I recall Byrne's art being almost unrecognizable (other that the layouts), and being so disappointed. I was still grieving Byrne's departure from the X-Men, and his magical symbiosis with Terry Austin.
Thank you 🙏 Mr Piskor ! Just read X men grand design treasury edition number one I’ll be getting the next two . Masterpiece Ed you should be proud of yourself. Must of been a big task getting all that together in chronological order and making so so entertaining and enjoyable. Again Thank You 🙏😊
The Silver Surfer appears to be Stan's favorite of all the Marvel characters, even though he didn't create him. Except for Spider-Man, he favors and keeps going back to SS more than any of character. His last gig with Kirby was Surfer, this one-shot with Byrne and when he gets to work with Moebius, again the Surfer.
I picked this up when it came out and looked at it again now. I think it is a good John Byrne if you are a fan of John Buscema. For Byrne at his best, I prefer his pencils and inks in Fantastic Four v1 #232-273.
I had this comic. God knows where it is. Don't even remember the plot. It's funny Jim but your complaint about the story made me wonder if Byrne was influenced by the "Many Happy Returns" episode of The Prisoner, which kinda has this messed up cyclical journey for Patrick Mcgoohan.
i feel like a huge dick making suggestions but I got a tiny ass laptop screen, is zooming in so the comic takes up more of the screen an option w/ ur setup? thanks for the vids though!
This is not Byrne´s best work by far. It almost seems like another inferior artist. Some of the figures are so stiff with weird anatomy. No wonder it wasn´t a good seller. When you see the name John Byrne you expect something so much better. Just my opinion.
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This comic also provides the cover art for a Joe Satriani album called "Surfing With the Alien".
I was just digging around my comic box and realized that I had this one! I'm a big Alpha Flight fan (Canadian kid) and I remember this cover calling me.
Great Video. You guys really should to do something on the Byrne/Austin, Star-Lord story in Marvel Preview #11. It's the first time those two worked together. That book definitely blew my little teenaged mind when it came out. Well worth a look!
I met Tom at SDCC in 2010. He was friendly and very happy to talk with me about his past work. I admired his work over Ron Frenz on Star Wars. A class act of a man and true legend.
I bought this book when it came out in late winter ❄️ 1982 , Byrne was on FF 243 right in the middle of his own Galactus trilogy! Great era for Byrne, X-men loss was a FF gain and certainly needed it in my opinion! Tom Palmer is the real +PLUS in this tale and the proof is Silver Surfer b/w essential! Tom has a great hold on tones and placement of black especially on the faces! Side note : Tom also inks Frank Miller on a 1980 Spidey annual with Dr.Strange/Dr.Doom! Doom has a nice 👍 Wally Wood homage to him! Thanks for the trip down memory lane Lol! Keep reading and making comix!
I remember waiting for this comic to come out. The poster in the comic shop blew everyone’s mind. I’ll never forget the excitement of seeing it on the shelf.
I bought this when it first hit the stands, and remember being disappointed that the Byrne art wasn't as slick looking as it did in his X-men when inked by Austin, or even when he inked himself on Fantastic Four.
That was the discussion among the few kids I knew who bought it.
Obviously, we didn't appreciate Tom Palmer's input then (tho I definitely recognized his contributions with Gene Colan on Doctor Strange).
Maybe that's why it didn't sell well?
That, plus the $1.00 cover price, as compared to the 50cent - 60cent of regular comics of the day.
Byrn's art in x-man also was different
Wasn't Sinnott doing the inks for Byrne in FF?
@@KTF0 Fortunately he just inked a few of the earlier issues with Byrne artwork on FF (issues 215-221) ...before the official "Byrne run", which went from issues 232- 273, penciled and inked by The Man himself - his best work EVER! - and from issues 274-293, with a bunch of mostly cool and talented inkers (Al Gordon, Jerry Ordway, Terry Austin, P.Craig Russel ..and yeah, Sinnott again)
Look at the Marvel Team-Up with Thor that Byrne penciled and Tony DeZuniga inked.
I remember pulling this off the rack. I was so disappointed that Byrne at peak popularity, was mostly paved over by Palmer. Looking at it now I'm glad. It holds up really well. Great vid
amazing cover.
As someone who was a huge Byrne fan back in the day, I had a hard time with how "Palmerized" this story is. Tom was one of those guys who reminded me of the Filipino inkers-they made whomever they inked look great mainly because they made it look like them; the individual style of the penciler be damned. If it was a Sal or John Buscema who was dashing off layouts a mile a minute, yeah, Palmer was awesome because you knew how little he was working with (I met Bob McCloud at a comic shop and he did the barest outline of a figure in his sketchbook then went, "See that? That's what I get from John," lol). He was also awesome when his natural style meshed well with the penciler, hence his being the best inker Adams and Colan ever had. And that Spider-Man/Dr. Strange story by Frank Miller that initially made me think “This ain't gonna work”? Double awesome. But this Silver Surfer story? Great issue if you bought it to see Palmer, not so great if you bought it to see Byrne.
I would have never guessed John Byrne penciled this . . . It looks great . . . But it doesn't look like Byrne to me. The faces look like a completely different artist penciled them. I'm comparing this to Byrne masterpieces like the Dark Phoenix saga, Alpha Flight, and his run on Fantastic Four. The Surfer's face and body aren't even rendered in the typical Byrne fashion. It's closer to a portmanteau of Buscema and Kirby . . . Again, beautiful, nonetheless. You guys are really opening my eyes to what a huge influence the inker has on the finished product!
Surfer is one of the characters that really got me into making comix! Great episode, i’ve never seen that book.
For that Batman splash, I think the background was just drawn in grease pencil, which gives a kind of charcoal effect when you shoot it as line art, provided the paper has a little tooth. No laborious production work necessary Adams may have seen Kubert using it to great effect quite a bit; check out the beautiful Firehair comics in Showcase from 1969 or so.
4:15 the top left panel was used for the cover of the album "Surfing with the Alien" by Joe Satriani
Aside from the man himself (and Terry Austin), no one who inks John Byrne's art looks "correct" to me... JB's faces are JB's faces, and inking to the point of it making it more about the inker than the penciller isn't something I'd appreciate as a JB-obsessed kid in the 80s and 90s. Reminds me of DC re-drawing Kirby's Superman faces!
Great video as usual.
I think Palmer gives a fleshiness to the inks that are almost Adams-esque and the Surfer feels better to me with a harder edge. I don't know who I'd have put on it besides Byrne himself; you don't want Austin on everything.
@@russworks2882 Karl kesel did a great job on Byrnes pencils
Please put silver surfer black under the camera. Such a good comic.
If any character needed to be inked by Austin it was Silver Surfer. I LOVE Tom Palmer but I was so let down when I saw this comic. I appreciate it now but then.... Comic Scene had an inkers roundtable with Palmer, Janson, Rubinstein and Layton I really hope you guys dissect. And Warren ran an overview of writers, pencillers, inkers and letterers that might be fun to take a peek at. And Warrior magazine ran some great "Shop Talks" with Brian Bolland and Alan Moore and many others.
I remember when this comic came out, and I recall Byrne's art being almost unrecognizable (other that the layouts), and being so disappointed. I was still grieving Byrne's departure from the X-Men, and his magical symbiosis with Terry Austin.
I've always said that Terry Austin had as much to do with Byrne's fame as Byrne. But man, Tom Palmer was one of the very best.
loved this book... gifted some copies to kids of friends - just fantastic art and perfect example of marvel writing
Thank you 🙏 Mr Piskor ! Just read X men grand design treasury edition number one I’ll be getting the next two . Masterpiece Ed you should be proud of yourself. Must of been a big task getting all that together in chronological order and making so so entertaining and enjoyable. Again Thank You 🙏😊
His Magneto pin up with the wood grain background subbing in for his magnetic field is epic. So good!
The Silver Surfer appears to be Stan's favorite of all the Marvel characters, even though he didn't create him. Except for Spider-Man, he favors and keeps going back to SS more than any of character. His last gig with Kirby was Surfer, this one-shot with Byrne and when he gets to work with Moebius, again the Surfer.
I picked this up when it came out and looked at it again now.
I think it is a good John Byrne if you are a fan of John Buscema.
For Byrne at his best, I prefer his pencils and inks in Fantastic Four v1 #232-273.
The whole book is a tribute to Buscema IMO.
I dont think yall read Lab Rats yet!
Now thats some John Byrne art for all times!
Great vid guys
I had this comic. God knows where it is. Don't even remember the plot. It's funny Jim but your complaint about the story made me wonder if Byrne was influenced by the "Many Happy Returns" episode of The Prisoner, which kinda has this messed up cyclical journey for Patrick Mcgoohan.
i feel like a huge dick making suggestions but I got a tiny ass laptop screen, is zooming in so the comic takes up more of the screen an option w/ ur setup? thanks for the vids though!
"Is This Comic John Byrne's Sharpest Art Duties?" No. Not remotely.
This is not Byrne´s best work by far. It almost seems like another inferior artist. Some of the figures are so stiff with weird anatomy. No wonder it wasn´t a good seller. When you see the name John Byrne you expect something so much better. Just my opinion.