Silver Surfer: Stan Lee's and Jack Kirby's FIRST and LAST graphic novel
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2022
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Speaking of Treasury Editions, you gotta do an episode on Captain America's Bicentennial Battles, with the first chapter being Kirby inked by Barry Windsor-Smith!
I love bicentennial battles!
really? i own few and still trying to buy all of those Editions the Treasury Editions
I found this for $5 on the used graphic novel shelf at a local comic’s store a couple months ago in mint condition. Looks amazing.
Wow, what a find! I'm still delaying buying it online because it goes for about $80.
lol same thing happen with me a few days ago. I feel lucky getting something like this for 5 bucks.
Now I wanna see Silver Surfer with a mustache.
For those that cannot find or afford the Fireside printing, it was reprinted in comicbook size with a card stock cover and differnt cover illustration in1997. It isn't easy to find, but usually much cheaper when you come across it.
I have that reprint of the Surfer graphic novel.I bought it at a comic shop in 97 or 98.My best friend had the original one,so I was happy to finally get a copy of my own.
Sweet, came here to ask if a reprint is available, thank you!
Jack Kirby was a war surviver and you can see in his art the dynamic movement of real action.
Jack Kirby is such a super rare artist. His style is soo unique! 😍😍😍😍
Fellas, thanks so much for covering this book, I've loved it since I was a kid but it's in storage and I haven't witnessed it in years. So great to see those pages again.
Didn't Jack Kirby also do a graphic novel called Hunger Dogs?
The Copyright was a legal maneuver because the whole project was about providing a plot for a movie, and by copyrighting this graphic novel, Stan and Jack were trying to secure a piece of the film.
Lee Kramer secured the rights to the Surfer, but not the FF. He also wanted a role for his girlfriend, Olivia-Newton John. This is why the story is basically a re-telling of The Galactus Trilogy, omitting the FF, and why the character Ardina is introduced.
I had actually read this when I was 10 or 11, and didn't think much about the exclusion of the Fantastic Four that much until a lot later. I am very happy to see you feature this now almost two decades later. :)
I am still absolutely amazed that the animated series they made from the surfer really captured the Kirby comic look perfectly. Always though his work was too detailed to ever be animated but they did a good job.
I watched the animated series on Disney Plus earlier this year and i also was surprised how the producers animators captured the Kirby look really well. An underrated and unfortunately shortlived series.
I've watched it a few times on Disney+ now, & it's amazing 😍 I just love it. I remember seeing it on TV when I was in my late teens or early 20s & thinking, goddam that's awesome, but you know it was different back then. There was no "on demand" or digital streaming, you just caught whatever was "on TV" at the moment & if you liked it you tried to find out when you could see it again 😎
@@Matthew.E.Kelly. , i need to rewatch the series. It seemed the producers were trying to setup a story for following seasons. I got a true sense of a cosmic odyssey when i watched it. I think it's more interesting story than the original run of comics by Stan Lee and John Buscema.
Wish they would bring it back for a season 2
Never knew this was so great. Just figured it was yet another reprint book,, maybe with the whole story arc and some other appearance tossed in, so I dont think I ever even bothered to look since I used to own the original issues and had reread them who knows how many times. At first this struck me as odd, seeing it was a FF comic without the FF. But as you kept looking at it, it struck me as being almost one of Kirby's Silver Age, pre-FF, "monster stories" given enough room to be epic. I really wish he'd been allowed to do some more like that.
Would love to see a video on the Moebius Silver Surfer book! Thanks for all you do guys, love every vid 🤙
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@@CartoonistKayfabe You guys never disappoint! Thanks for everything!
Silver Surfer is by far the greatest, most incredible-amazing-mighty-invincible-uncanny and the coolest Marvel character ever!
I had a hardcover version of this back about 1981. Liked it but sold it like everything else after a few years. Great to see the contents again.
Thanks for another great vid, fellas!There’s a splash in this comic where Galactus is on the moon and is surveying the Earth- Jack draws so many planetoids in and around the Earth-moon space- it’s an absolutely breathtaking cosmic setting- and it’s so far removed from the reality of our local space, that it makes me love it even more!!!! Keep Mine Kirby!!!!💪🤟
I got this book when it came out, when I was 7 or so. I still have it, in somewhat rough condition of course, but it is a treasure!
So glad I scooped this a few months ago before the dreaded Kayfabe effect! It still wasn't cheap...
I can't be the only one who's asked you guys, but I think you gents should put Silver Surfer Black under the microscope, Tradd Moore did something very very special with that book!
I have a hardcover of this book. The cover is the slip sleeve of the book.. I've been enjoying Kirby since 1965.
Such a beautiful piece of work! Wow!
Wow. This book is my pride and joy. I had it autographed by both Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. A pleasure to meet both those legends.
Where did you meet Kirby??
This looks incredible! I’m off to try to find a copy
You guys really rock!! I haven’t seen this book in ages. When I read it originally I was a little disappointed with the story, but looking at the artwork again as an adult the art is AMAZING!! Jack really but his best work out there. I’ll have to reread it again. 😊
Bought this at the bookstore when I was 12. I was deep into Kirby’s second run at marvel at that point, machine man, devil dinosaur, Eternals. A friend of mine had origins of marvel comics so I was already a fan of the surfer and familiar with his origin. I remember being a little disappointed that they switched his origin up for this book but it was still a thrill to read and the Kirby art was perfect for me. Super psyched reading it and still have the book in my collection.
yes, Sunday treats before the work week starts. Thanks!
Love how Silver Surfer looks here. I think Allred draws an almost similar version of him.
You guys should turn that background art into full comic
Kirby may be on the Mt Rushmore, but I’ll always have a soft spot for Ron Liam’s surfer. Loved it as a kid/young teen.
I'm really split on which Silver Surfer I prefer, this or Big John Buscema's. Buscema's SS feels more fluid and elegant, whereas Kirby's a bit blocky, but man those inks are gorgeous... therefore both are phenomenal!
Have you guys read Four Color Fear: Forgotten Horror Comics of the 1950s? I really wish you guys would overview it, would love to listen to your take about it.
Great to see this reviewed, bought this back in the day, at a time when l could afford to buy pretty much everything at the same time as it came out.
Those were the days!
This is well overdue a re-read, it will be out from deep storage at the weekend.
Keep up the great work guys, excelsior! 😎
I have this book, I always thought it was a reprint of old Silver Surfer issues.
Rest in Peace, Ed.
What great Kirby art.
I will say, I read it as a kid, and I thought it was totally awesome. :) I feel like I need to pull that out and give it another read.
I'm only a few minutes into the video so I don't know if you guys mention it later, but those Fantasy Masterpieces reprints of Silver Surfer stuff is legit one of the coolest things Marvel did in the 80s. I'm not crazy about square-bound books (they have their own issues when it comes to long-term care & storage) but being able to get those stories _on pulp_ with the high-acid ink smell... With the right texture pages to actually *feel* the book & experience it instead of just looking at pictures while you read words & flip pages is priceless.
& since the original Silver Surfer books can sometimes approach absolutely ridiculous prices, going to the dollar bins & getting those reprints is awesome.
I wore this book out in 5th grade. The year was 1985 and we had a twenty minute reading period every day. My teacher grabbed it out of my hands and asked me what a couple of words out of it meant. When I told her she said, “ok, you can read this. But do not bring anymore comic books in to this class!”
That cover… man guys that takes me back. Ty for posting.
What was the prevailing opinion of Royer’s inks at this time? Sinnot seems to be doing a lot less finessing than he did on the F.F. Could he be mimicking Roger?
As a kid a neighbor showed me a Silver Surfer comic that looked like it was painted where in the story Galactus drowned the Surfer in Blood. I've tried to find what comic that was for years does anyone know what that could have been?
Perfect book opening with Omar Khayyam's Rubayibat,Art by Kirby 👌🏻
great video. thanks
Yes put Silver Surfer Black under the scope!
The shot of Norrin and Ardinna(?) in the sky makes me think of Mike and Avril over London in MIRACLEMAN: OLYMPUS--do you think Moore & Totolben saw this?
Also: The new background--I never knew you guyz were so...bulgy (I mean, you did live model for this, right?) 😂🖖♾
Stan was definitely the weak link here. It should've been a slam dunk; he had the original, relatively successful, stories to use as an armature, but it seems put together on the fly like a book with a monthly deadline.
He never seemed to have a handle on the character beyond the idea that it made him feel important. Have a look sometime at the forensic work done by the Jack Kirby Collector, including unused Kirby pencils, on the origin of Galactus that was running as a subplot in Thor towards the end of Kirby's run. As the story progresses to a point where it has to focus, it's just second-guessed, botched and fucked into incoherence. You can only ad lib when you have a foundation in what you're doing, and I feel like Stan was just in over his head by then.
This lead to a great scene in Crimson tide
Guys, thanks so much for providing us with a page by page view of this magnum opus! I was able to pause the video and read each page in its entirety.
I think you're both being a bit harsh in your criticism of Stan's writing style. That being out of the way, I'd love to have seen this epic done by Jack Kirby on his own. Jack's magnificent art seemed to my sensibilities to be screaming for some Kirby-esque dialog. Stan's captions are reminiscent of his writing in the mid-60s . . "Never has such a dangerous experiment been attempted by a teenage boy!!" . . " . .And as the combatants are engulfed in a mad paroxysm of rage and fury, as the doomsday machine achieves critical mass . . .!!" . . That kind of stuff.
I think the story needed the kind of dialog that Jack wrote in Orion of the New Gods. The only DC comics I have ever read.
All the same, this is a fantastic example of Kirby at his absolute peak as an artist.
Man, now I want to see Tom’s edit of this book!
I know see where the Silver Surfer cartoon took his inspiration.
What If...Kirby was given enough time to draw comics? ⬆
Earl Norem!!!!! Please have a look at that guy. He is criminally anonymous.
I believe Kirby and Lee’s retaining of the copyright for this story was essentially attempt for them to get a real payday if this served as the basis for a film or TV project. Whoever made the project essentially would have to buy rights for the story from both Marvel but also Kirby and Lee.
"Why doesn't Darkhawk show up?"
I remember The Comics Journal quite liked this one.
Hey, I think you guys too easily agreed to replacing the Kirby cover with the Norem cover, as good as that Norem cover is. The Kirby art inside the book is why people are purchasing the book. Why not put that on the cover? I found the Kirby/Sinnott cover online and it is pure graphic Kirby excellence. I can't imagine why anyone would think that a Kirby cover wouldn't sell a Kirby book as well as a Norem cover.
Anyway, I enjoy your channel tremendously!
At age 15…I remember being super super jacked when I found this at a bookstore. But I didn’t enjoy it much, but couldn’t figure out why…i thought Lee and Kirby were the greatest team of all time and my teenage brain couldn’t align this work with that…probably the beginning of doubting the myth of Stan Lee.
I'd love to see Marvel reprint this in a hardcover collector's edition in the future!
Kirby not drawing beautiful women? Have the critics never seen Big Barda or Beautiful Dreamer?
I don’t even read it anymore I just look at Kirby’s beautiful artwork. Stan’s dialogue is terrible. I wish it had Jack’s cover instead.
I would view this book as a "what if" the other marvel characters didn't exist, thanks guys!
Stan Lee has said that he wanted the book to stand on its own and he was trying to get non-comics readers to buy it. That's why there aren't other Marvel characters in it. A non-comics reader wouldn't know who the Fantastic Four was and Stan was afraid it would just confuse people. (Also, as you noted, Stan wanted to make a Silver Surfer movie and producers would have to license other Marvel heroes to tell the original story.)
As for my impression when I first read it, I was disappointed by it and stopped reading it halfway through. Other than the Kirby art, I didn't care for the story. It didn't match Marvel continuity and seemed to go on for too long. Kirby's art was also looking very flat, even with Sinnott inking, and being a big Kirby fan, I had seen all the heroic poses and Kirby krackle before. After 1970, I believe, his art looked rushed and very blocky and he was just repeating himself. Or maybe the comics industry had caught up to him and surpassed him.
But I enjoyed your critique of "The Silver Surfer" very much.
This is the silver I like with great writers not these fake writers that makes him weak
Boy, Tom sure doesn't like Stan Lee, much, does he? Sheesh...
I realize this is an unpopular opinion in some circles, but Stan Lee was the weakest link in the Marvel bullpen. Prior to 1964 he was a terrible writer -- I mean terrible not just compared to literary writers but also a much worse writer than other comic book writers of the era like Carl Barks, John Stanley, Harvey Kurtzman and the Simon/Kirby team. Around 1964 or so he figured out how to use hyperbolic jokey language to offer a verbal counterpart to Kirby/Ditko/Wood/Colan. That worked for a bit but by the late 1960s he started taking himself too seriously, with the mock-Shakespearean becoming faux-Shakespearean. His writing from then on was pretentious and ponderous. It took me a long time to appreciate Kirby because Lee's 1960s writing was such a turn-off. Only when I started reading the Fourth World stuff did I understand that Kirby was a great storyteller and that gave me a way back to those 1960s books.