While the ideal solution is extending Los Angeles Union Station, the cost to upgrade the line from Rancho Cucamonga to LA Union Station would be just as expensive as building the line from Rancho Cucamonga to Las Vegas itself.
And this is the real reason. It's cheap to run a new train down the middle of a freeway. Past Rancho, there's no easy right of way. At a minimum, they would need to quad track much of the San Bernardino Metrolink line, in places where there simply isn't room to do so, which means buying and tearing down buildings near the tracks. Better to just piggyback on Metrolink to get people to Rancho.
@@Geotpf It is better to use the metrolink Riverside tracks which have fewer level crossings, which can be upgraded to 4 electrified tracks and which are more straight, by negotiating an extension of the tracks from Rancho station to the Ontario airport underground. if it is necessary.
Don't over promise then. Don't disclose to the public that you will do something that you clearly haven't researched or got any permits, funds, or rights to do. Its pointless. It gets us all hyped up and when its underdelivered we see it as a waste of money. California HSR is one of those cases, Caltrain, BART are others. So I say unless ALL projects have 100% funding, 100% permits and are READY TO CONSTRUCT ON ANNOUNCEMENT then a law would ban them from disclosing ANYTHING until it can be completed in full as described. No more of this patchwork of shit. If that can't happen, then put it to a ballot vote. A ballot vote that will force that law.
@@celebrityrog it's just weird that every railway project in the US have these insane amount of bureaucratic paperwork, while new highway projects always pass through with ease.
@@ianhomerpura8937 agreed it is irrational, have a look at Australia which in many respects has a Lot of similarities, but they have lots of electrified trains and spend about 2/3 as much on rail as they do on highways. Big difference! And they are doing all the planning for HSR to run all the way right into their central stations and serve where people want to go.
Extending HSR the 40 miles between Rancho Cucamonga and LA Union Station would probably cost as much as the entire Brightline West line, so there's that.
Exactly. Brightline barely has the money to do their current plan (and that is with a lot of government support). Even last year, the plan was to terminate in Victorville until funding came through.
@@azeeze1391I think the obvious answer is because dtla is already a sh*t show at the train station having it go straight to Vegas will not only 10x the chaos already there but DEFINITELY will homeless/transient central considering they can go from Hollywood Blvd to Vegas strip In a couple hours😂 rv less vagrants dtla/skid row would have to have a means of transportation to get to rc in first place
This doesn't explain why it doesn't go to Union Station... Which, to my understanding is: 1) Metrolink is resilient to change, especially electrification; and 2) There is only a single-track along the rail corridor. Double-tracking would allow Brightline into downtown without worry of delays to the schedule, and there could be vastly more service on the corridor, especially during rush hour, to promote people out of their cars by seeing those trains go by them every 8-15 minutes instead of 30-60...
Double tracking would be a pretty expensive upgrade. The reality is that first of all if you want to get into downtown you can just take metro link but the major other factor is that most people in LA don’t live in downtown. In fact most business doesn’t even take place downtown. So while in most cities most people will want to travel near the city center, LA is extremely sprawling and dense everywhere so a lot of people might not even go through downtown in the first place. Edit: just to confirm, it is an absolutely necessary project to double track to union station, and electrify. However not everything needs to take place at the exact same time and brightline will still be perfectly feasible without it. The main thing that’s going to decide its success is wether or not metro link aligns its schedule with brightline arrivals and departures (which should be around the same time since it’s a terminal station)
I think your both missing that this is a private company not a government program. Its not about cutting your commute times its about getting tourists to Vegas with less headaches than a plane or roadtrip. Building into the city would wreck the margin.
@@airron5019 Getting to Union Station would make it easier for people to get on Brightline, since as a tourist staying in a CBD hotel or just flying into LAX and transferring straight to trains, it means once you get to Union Station, you're on the Brightline train and off to Vegas.
Simplest reason, it would cost a lot of time and money just to clear a right of way for it. Plus its easy to reach Rancho for a huge portion of the population of So Cal and easy to build a large parking facility.
Rancho should be the FIRST of several transfer stops, but the terminus should be Union Station in L.A. Downtown is where people want to go. From there, I can easily find my way elsewhere. I will be using this line & don't want to have to get off in R.C. to then wait on a Metro line that far away from the epicenter. It'll take forever to get to L.A. from R.C. and will be a waste of time (may as well drive!). There should also be an Express line option from Vegas straight to Union Station.
Yes, any transfer is very time consuming. RC is not the center of LA metro center, it's on the edge of it. There are four existing rail lines (including the BNSF double track main) between the Inland Empire and LA. Something could be worked out.
Downtown Los Angeles is not where people want to go. And certainly not Union Station. Most people on vacation would want to stay on the West Side, closer to the beaches and Universal Studios and maybe Hollywood. Or they would go to Anaheim and Disneyland. Los Angeles is too spread out.
The terminus should be at San Bernardino's central station where multiple Metrolink lines converge with the sbX and Arrow transitways and with the future California High-Speed Rail to and from L.A. and San Diego.
San Bernardino's central station also offers express trains to and from L.A. Union Station, and San Bernardino International Airport lies only 1.5 miles to the East. Additionally, the City of San Bernardino owns an adjacent 43-acre site of a former mall that is perfect for redevelopment and that has the room to accommodate high-speed rail running between Las Vegas and San Diego and that will cross the future East‐West line running between Los Angeles and Phoenix, potentially.
Arrow is a stupid distraction the SBCTA uses so it can exploit the Pacific Electric Right of Way as a trail. Southern Pacific had control but somehow lost it to the county. single track standard guage. Route 66 goes underneath the Pacific Electric in fontucky.
The reporter didn't answer the question why it isn't going all the way to downtown. We already know what transfers can be done that was never in dispute. Why aren't we getting what we agreed to initially? And why is everyone in this state always okay with getting ripped off?
Bc A they know the California project to have first dibs. B building into DTLA is probably triple the budget of the RC to Vegas line. C why not wait until the state and fed ready to put money into the last leg of the project
@@JesusIsLordLasVegasYou gotta make sure the track standards are met, as well as build electrification and grade separation. Not to mention Union Station will have to be upgraded fully, especially the platforms to provide level boarding, along with other infrastructure like electrification. So odds are they're gonna wait for CAHSR to actually go to LA and build a dedicated section for HSR. (But that will take 40 years because they aren't getting the proper funds in the first place) But at least it's better than not having high speed rail at all.
Because it would be illegal. The US doesn't make high speed trains, which are lighter, and the crash standards are different. Trains in the rest of the world are designed to not crash, and crumple in a crash like your car does. US-made trains on the other hand are designed to be like tanks and just plow through anything they run into. You can't legally put global-standard trains on US tracks unless US trains are forbidden from those tracks. i.e. if they electrified the Metrolink line and put Brightline trains on it, Metrolink wouldn't be able to run its American-style trains on the line legally (and if the US train crashed into Brightline, the Brightline train would be obliterated).
It will be built on time because it’s going to Vegas. FYI, in Maryland, the Federal Railroad Administration paused a 5 year $28 million study in 2019 for a 40 mile Maglev train line between DC and Baltimore. After work on the study restarted, FRA initiated a second pause in 2021. Nearly three years into the current suspension, FRA says no updates available. Estimated cost is $18 billion. Japan pledged $5 billion toward the project. Northeast Maglev, private company leading the project, withdrew application in late December for a water quality certification from Md Dept of the Environment. MDE was going to reject the request, pointing to a bevy of missing details. Northeast Maglev intends to resubmit application after it acquires more engineering and design information. I bet LasVegas to Rancho Cucamonga is completed first.
It's like buying a plane ticket to NY but the airline dropped you off and landed in NJ instead, as if to tell you, "Here you are, bud! You can go walk or take a cab to NY from here." I mean, isn't that what the people in LA and Vegas were asking for to begin with: a HSR to connect LA and Vegas (NOT Rancho Cucamunga and Vegas)?
Contrary to some comments below, Metrolink owns a lot of track in Los Angeles and Orange Counties. The San Bernardino line through El Monte and Claremont is the former Pacific Electric San Bernardino line, and the rest, including the Rancho Cucamonga station, is the former Santa Fe passenger mainline. Unfortunately, there isn't room along most of the ex-PE line for more than one track. Hopefully, Brightline West spurs extension of the Line A light rail line to Claremont and Rancho Cucamonga, which currently ends at Azusa. Nearly all of Line A, from Los Angeles to Azusa, is the former Santa Fe passenger mainline. Metrolink takes about 74 minutes to go from Los Angeles to Rancho Cucamonga, but Metro's Line A provides good connections to places like Pasadena, and even downtown Los Angeles. The Metrolink ticket is $8.00 one-way, compared to $1.75 on Metro.
Why's it going to Rancho Cucamonga instead of LA? Because it was never going to go to LA. It is so much cheaper for Brightline to go to Rancho and get some of that tasty Federal HSR money than it is to go into LA proper, as they'd need to either run a direct line themselves which would probably cost just as much as the cost from Rancho to LV, or they would need to upgrade Metrolink rails/service which again is a cost that Brightline doesn't want to deal with.
Will a ticket on brightline be cheaper than flying? Why can’t Las Vegas build a railway from the airport to the strip? How will people get to the strip from the brightline station?
Las Vegas is unwilling and/or unable to create a decent public transportation system. The Monorail is a joke line that serves a few casinos and it's not even convenient to get to.
At least in Southern California, it connected with current metrolink rail system. What about Vegas side? Why can't Las Vegas Monorail extend and connect with the Brightline West high speed rail?
@@Ven100 My comment is in response to the news reporter who claimed there would be luggage service to transfer suitcases from Brightline trains to Metrolink trains.
It will go up to 200 mph, so we’re good. But the train speeds may go back down in areas where the median isn’t wide enough for high speed rail curves, or on the steep hills where the speed will need to be reduced a bit. But the average speed will be over 100 mph, which is still pretty standard for high speed rail.
As a Chicago-area transplant to the Northeast Corridor, I stand flabbergasted. Seems there's a lot to still be worked out regarding LA's Metrolink, while between NYC and DC, mass-transit systems almost (understatement?) run together.
You can travel through most of Europe on train. UEROPE!! We are so far behind. We need this. Next, they need to expand this to Arizona, NEW Mexico, etc…
You can do that here too but the difference is that train schedules suck and the trains are slow and inconvenient. But yeah you can pretty much connect to most important cities in the US by train. But we do have a long way to go to catch up to Europe but also building rail link doesn’t make sense everywhere in the US as we just don’t have the population density of city pairs that Europe has. We have the best network of inland airports which can help us travel faster. But there are a few key routes and regions that definitely need good rail links like Texas, California, northeast(it already does have one) , Pacific Northwest and the Chicago hub region.
@@kdhemingo that used to be true but with wages going less further than they used to I think the next generation is going to ask for more public services. It has its pro and cons.
@@portcybertryx222 That's a lot of information but that's not the reason. Those are central governments with a socialist economy that provides any amount of tax money the government dictates that people must pay to build whatever the government pleases. This is why cars are a luxury inn most countries. In the USA of course, we have the freedom to choose what we want to spend most of our money on with the exception of democrat ran states. Simply put, most states don't have enough tax money to pay for high speed rail & when they do like California they completely miss manage the project because they don't understand how to run a business in a capitalist country. This is why Bright line is winning & CHSR continues to run out of money & fall behind schedule. They build stations based on politically motivated reasons rather than on what is financially sustainable.
Europe, my dear is smaller and much more dense than the US, for them HSR makes sense. For the US, flights make sense because of it's size, corridors are probably not a bad idea but a full HSR network is not.
You will spend well over an hour just to get to Rancho from DLA. Then you have to find parking and wait for the train. That's like another hour. Might as well just drive or fly to Vegas.
Even with a transfer to MetroLink, DTLA to Vegas is ~3.5 hours which is still far better than driving (especially in peak hours) and close to the total time flying when factoring in airport pre-departure arrival, deboarding, and baggage claim (if you have checked luggage).
Becuase it would likely double or triple the cost of the entire project as the direct route is always the more expensive options. This is what California high speed rail will face once it starts construction in LA, as it’s actually a direct connection that has tunnels and higher speeds.
The story really doesn't answer the question, but I imagine it comes down to cost. building a new right of way along side of and existing one (duplicating service in the process) through expensive real estate would be prohibitively expensive. Plus Brightline would needlessly mired in lawsuits and eminent domain challenges, environmental reviews to point where it would take as long as it is taking to build the LA to San Francisco high speed rail service.
YES YES YES, this is why President Biden deserves another 4 years, for helping us Californians and Nevadans, giving us prosperity and growing our economy. We were chosen to be the first to host true high speed rail.
If it becomes 100% official that a Brightline ticket will allow infinite transfers to get to your destination on Metrolink at no additional cost, that's a bonus. A bonus they need to start screaming outloud ASAP to counteract not going straight to Union Station with the high speed rail.
This still doesn’t explain why it doesn’t go to Union Station. Just that it goes to RC, and from RC you can get to US and other locations in the SoCal area.
The actual reason is because funding and deadlines would be a lot harder to make. Edit: it’s also because LA wants people to use its metrolink and other country rail systems. That makes it more profitable for LA. Clearly they’re still greedy whether it’s for rail or road transportation.
All of you have missed what this project is really about. It's not about trains. It's just a big real estate deal with each train station being a large multi use real estate projects.The train will lose money. The profit is on the real estate side.
Most new high speed rail stations aren’t in the city centre; especially in China. Once I was going from Beijing to another city which is just an hour away by HSR, I took me longer to get to the train station by cab!
I also heard brightline is working with the other high speed rail project connecting LA with San Francisco supposed a connection will be built from the existing brightline rail from Vegas to Rancho Cucamonga to Palmdale. There are high speed rail projects in the North East United States. The Vegas to LA will spur other western Cities to start their own high speed rail projects and possibly start a network in the western United States.
Thank goodness I don’t have to go LA, I’ve been there twice in my life and twice to VEGAS , traffic is horrible, feel bad for people who has to deal with this situation
Rancho Cucamonga seems a strange anchor for a high-speed train to Vegas, but as others have pointed out in the comments (but not in the news story), the cost to connect to LA Union Station would have been so prohibitive it would not happen. Those types of expectations (and local politics) is dooming high speed rail elsewhere in California. What is unfortunate is that Metrolink is not directly connected to the Ontario airport or Los Angeles International airport; passengers have to take a shuttle. Local government planning (and politics) is incredibly short-sighted.
Wow that's crazy. You know China built their first high-speed rail link in 5 years, it went from Beijin to Shanghai; that's like going from Toronto, Canada to Boston MA USA. The crazy part is Metrolink's plans to take 4 hours to build a HS link that is much much shorter.
It's fine and good to have a stop in Rancho Cucamonga coming from Las Vegas and have the options of transferring to meto service. However, that's not the point! High speed trains in Europe and Japan do this all the time as they make less frequent stops but stops nonetheless, but ALL OF THEM go from one cities MAIN TRIAN STATION to the terminating MAIN TRIAN STATION, they don't STOP SHORT of where you want to go! Do these people think we are idiots who don't understand how trains SHOULD work? i.e. go from city center to center of city. That's how it's supposed to work, not drop you off in some suburb. United States can never get high speed rail to work it seems. It's not hard to see how the rest of the world does this.
Finished in four years isn't going to happen. There are no tracks. They'll need to lay those along with a catenary system for the electric system. Just adding catenary wiring to Caltrain has taken six years, with the tracks already there, and it's a route that's only a fraction in length. Why Brightline is saying four years, I don't know. I hope I'm wrong, but maybe this gets finished in a decade.
Great points and it’s something I’ve been saying in other posts. Additionally, this will be Brightline’s first HSR project. Their Florida projects are similar but not the same.
With Caltrain and California high speed rail there was fierce opposition to the projects, brightline is facing zero opposition, Caltrain wiring took longer because it is also complicated to electrify an ACTIVE railroad. Brightline is constructing a new railroad from scratch and already has the necessary approvals to allow for completion in 2028. If the schedule goes over, brightline will be forced to pay hefty fines to Unions and Operators.
Plus the workers having to deal with the heat a lot of the year, they will probably have to work at night but it is still hot in the desert at night in the summer but at least they won't have the blazing sun on them.
It's not the first high speed rail line in the US, not by a long shot. The Acela goes 150 mph and has been running since 2000. And this train from Brightline will only do HSR speeds on two very short segments just outside Vegas. You can't call a rail line "HSR" because under 10% of the line will have HSR speeds. That's not how reality works.
@@JoeyJoe-f5o The Acela travels at 125+ mph for more than half of its route. This is exactly how about half of the HSR in Europe and about half of the Shinkansen lines work in Japan. Each system tends to have a few faster lines, but the bulk of the HSR lines worldwide are the Acela kind - upgraded express rail with 125-ish mph speeds. Only the scratch built new networks in Spain and China don't have more than half of their HSR networks consist of Acela-like HSR lines.
A privately owned company is always going to cash in on the easiest route, so Brightline is sticking to the desert section. The line into downtown LA will be complete when the publicly owned California High Speed Rail does the heavy lifting to upgrade the tracks through the city.
That would happen if Cal HSR actually reached LA. Right now that project is overbudget partly because of land aquisitions, and they haven't even finished the first phase, which won't connect to LA or SF or Sacramento yet. Until the government or investors see success with Brightline West, funding for an upgraded link to DTLA probably won't happen, especially not because of Cal HSR.
@@Netizpossible California HSR will go to downtown LA. It has nothing to do with the Brightline West line. It is taking a long time because it is a huge project and it has never been done before in this country. There is no institutional knowledge to lean on. Brightline is using rails and trains compatible with Cal HSR exactly for the purpose of eventually piggybacking on their lines to DTLA.
NBCLA: "Woman Stabbed on Metro Elevator" video posted on You Tube 11 hours ago. Current time: 6:05 pm Pacific Time 05/14/24. Check out the comments on that video. Is that what Olympic visitors are going to experience? In order to get to Olympic venues via train, one will have to use LA Metro Rail.
Why not build to downtown???? They can expand freeways yet not put down two pairs of track? In China they would have this completed in 2 years running from Rancho to Los Angeles at full 220 mph.
Metrolink is pretty useless right now; it runs once an hour at best and stops running after like 7 PM in many casee. They would need to upgrade it considerably unless they want a bunch of people stuck in RC.
Not going to central LA will doom this project. People who choose to take the train don’t want to have to transfer! It’s all about politics and money 😡
@@renzog1237 Trains provide a higher quality of life than cars and planes. I live in LA without a car, not because I can't afford one but because they suck.
Have you SEEN what it is going to look like inside??? Crime is the plague of the poor and impoverished, you cant afford to LOOK at how much it costs to ride this thing.
It would cost millions or billions more to extend into downtown. Tunnels, overpasses, underpasses, etc. That's reason this is being done fast and CHEAP. Nothing in the way unlike the CA HSR.
@@sqxpn1433 brightline’s proposed timetables have the trip from rancho to Vegas at 1 hr and 50 minutes with stops in the High Desert, the entire trip from Vegas to LA Union Station can be completed in 3 hours with a 25 minute transfer at Rancho Cucamonga, 2 hours and 50 minutes with a 15 minutes transfer and, 2 hours and 35 minutes with a 10 minutes transfer. Brightline’s initial schedule will guarantee transfers between 10-15 minutes and when Brightline service is increased to half hourly, 10 minute transfers will be guaranteed for all trains and trips.
@@pinhead35 only days are you are stuck in traffic are Fridays and Sundays. That's why I do my Vegas trips not on those days and it's always a straight shot no traffic. Another option is at night, if you leave it night there is no traffic either.
Im happy that Los Angeles is taking mass transit seriously. For it to be the nation's 2nd largest city, a car shouldn't be the primary option to get around.
This isn't mass transit. The LA metro is dirty and dangerous. The Mayor finally admitted that this week. People get stabbed every day on buses and trains
The real answer is they don't have money and it will take longer to construct. They decide to stop at Rancho for you can transfer on Metrolink into LA. Metrolink is not looking to electrify their system at the moment. But in the future California will build another high speed rail line called the High Desert Corridor. It will connect Victorville on the Brightline West and Lancaster/Palmdale on the California HSR network. From there Brightline trains will join CAHSR and into LA Union. But we already have seen the issue in the Central Valley. Once that's open in 2030, they said the next part to open will be to San Francisco. CAHSR needs to dig very long and deep tunnels south of Bakersfield and Palmdale. Where I'm from in the Northeast, the Hudson Tunnels will take about 11 years and they are about a mile or two. Is there a possibility Brightline can help with the tunneling? I'm not sure
California high speed rail ran out of money & fell behind schedule because you build stations for politically motivated reasons rather than based on what's finically sustainable. The real answer is because of the high taxation & the fact it's stupid to build something with a business model that hasn't been proven yet. That's how business works. You have to start small & then invest more when that business proves to be successful. This is why we only had three stations here in Miami where as you guys have nothing yet.
Do not count on CAHSR reaching SoCal anytime in a decent future timeframe (40 miles of tunnels). So the High Desert Corridor may end up being a "higher" speed type connection at best to hopefully an upgraded Metrolink Antelope Valley line.
Rancho Cucamonga has changed a lot in the last 15 years. It's nothing like it used to be. End of an era. They want to make Las Vegas into a sports town. Makes sense they're tying the train into the future Olympics. Absolutely have no interest in riding it. I spent 5 years riding subways because I had to and hated it.
It's hilarious that they somehow think all people go from Southeast to Northwest or vice versa on a diagonal. What if you're in rancho Cucamonga and you want to go northeast to Southwest straight to the coast? 😆
Brightline is in direct competition with those flights since traffic getting TO lax adds 1-2 hours to your trip on top of airport security which adds 2 more hours. Brightline will consistently take 2 Hours and 40 minutes from Union Station to Las Vegas with a transfer to metrolink included in the time estimate.
@@pinhead35 Metrolink currently takes 74 minutes between LA and RC. Brightline West will take about two hours to reach Las Vegas. Add in say a 10-15 minute transfer at RC, and that's about a 3 1/2 hour trip. Probably still about on par with flying between downtown LA and the Strip, plus the train will be more consistent with its travel time than a plane might, and especially compared to driving I-15.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fcYou're assuming that Metrolink will actually get their shit together to produce a 10-15 minute transfer time. Right now headways are an hour at best.
“Luggage will be transferred for you like at an airport” gee that sure sounds like peaches and cream .. Yet it’s not , airports can’t even keep track of their luggage’s they will end up in different states or won’t even leave the terminal or worse stolen .. I don’t trust this train station with my luggage especially from “LA to Vegas” .. I rather just drive and keep my belongings
You can also take your belongings with you on the train if you don’t trust their checked baggage system, (which in Florida is really good and reliable), unlike airplanes, there is no carry on luggage limit.
Sure! Nevadans love the idea of using LA’s mass transit-cuz who doesn’t wanna gamble on getting stabbed to death? (Sorry but downtown and surrounding metro areas are outta control right now)
The train isn't going to downtown because the train isn't for Californians. Nevada is building a second international airport and a new city, and it's along the rail line near Primm. Rancho Cucamonga will be set up as an interim office location for businesses leaving California for Nevada. A new Strip is being built at the Las Vegas train station, and the old Strip will be converted into the sports gaming world center. There is a LOT of money in this project, and it's coming from the United Arab Emirates.
wrong. the chinese y hindu's of India are buying up all new single family houses in Chino, Chino hills upland Cucamonga, Ontario Fontana. look at the assessor's map in San berdo county. it is an invasion by non-NATO countries. this DIMLINETRAIN is going to Apple Valley. THAT'S IT!! do you really think Dimlinebis going up and down the hill everyday? IMPOSSIBLE! remember parts flying off the Las Vegas Monorail?? same thing. it is a tourist trap. I love Las Vegas Strip ! STOP YUCCA MOUNTAIN!! no nuclear waste in Nevada...that's what Utah is for
if the California Progressive party stopped private transportation companies from generating their own electricity what do think is going to happen to DIMLINE?? The L.A.R.W. and Pacific Electric were killed off this way (who framed roger rabbit missed it) go to The Southern California Railroad Museum in Perris California and see for yourself and ride the Yellow and Red Cars again. please call ahead and Be Courteous. a lot of real cowboys in law enforcement out there
While the ideal solution is extending Los Angeles Union Station, the cost to upgrade the line from Rancho Cucamonga to LA Union Station would be just as expensive as building the line from Rancho Cucamonga to Las Vegas itself.
And this is the real reason. It's cheap to run a new train down the middle of a freeway. Past Rancho, there's no easy right of way. At a minimum, they would need to quad track much of the San Bernardino Metrolink line, in places where there simply isn't room to do so, which means buying and tearing down buildings near the tracks. Better to just piggyback on Metrolink to get people to Rancho.
@@Geotpf It is better to use the metrolink Riverside tracks which have fewer level crossings, which can be upgraded to 4 electrified tracks and which are more straight, by negotiating an extension of the tracks from Rancho station to the Ontario airport underground. if it is necessary.
Don't over promise then. Don't disclose to the public that you will do something that you clearly haven't researched or got any permits, funds, or rights to do. Its pointless. It gets us all hyped up and when its underdelivered we see it as a waste of money. California HSR is one of those cases, Caltrain, BART are others. So I say unless ALL projects have 100% funding, 100% permits and are READY TO CONSTRUCT ON ANNOUNCEMENT then a law would ban them from disclosing ANYTHING until it can be completed in full as described. No more of this patchwork of shit. If that can't happen, then put it to a ballot vote. A ballot vote that will force that law.
@@celebrityrog it's just weird that every railway project in the US have these insane amount of bureaucratic paperwork, while new highway projects always pass through with ease.
@@ianhomerpura8937 agreed it is irrational, have a look at Australia which in many respects has a Lot of similarities, but they have lots of electrified trains and spend about 2/3 as much on rail as they do on highways. Big difference! And they are doing all the planning for HSR to run all the way right into their central stations and serve where people want to go.
Extending HSR the 40 miles between Rancho Cucamonga and LA Union Station would probably cost as much as the entire Brightline West line, so there's that.
Exactly. Brightline barely has the money to do their current plan (and that is with a lot of government support). Even last year, the plan was to terminate in Victorville until funding came through.
I love how the reporters asked the question about why it stops in RC instead of DTLA and then spent the entire video not answering it.
Click bait.
literality explains it starting at 00:36 even provides a maps ....
@@chedder9999 Nope that doesn't explain 'why not connect straight shot to/from DTLA' it focuses on metrolink's connection through Rancho.
@@azeeze1391I think the obvious answer is because dtla is already a sh*t show at the train station having it go straight to Vegas will not only 10x the chaos already there but DEFINITELY will homeless/transient central considering they can go from Hollywood Blvd to Vegas strip In a couple hours😂 rv less vagrants dtla/skid row would have to have a means of transportation to get to rc in first place
This doesn't explain why it doesn't go to Union Station...
Which, to my understanding is:
1) Metrolink is resilient to change, especially electrification; and
2) There is only a single-track along the rail corridor. Double-tracking would allow Brightline into downtown without worry of delays to the schedule, and there could be vastly more service on the corridor, especially during rush hour, to promote people out of their cars by seeing those trains go by them every 8-15 minutes instead of 30-60...
Double tracking would be a pretty expensive upgrade. The reality is that first of all if you want to get into downtown you can just take metro link but the major other factor is that most people in LA don’t live in downtown. In fact most business doesn’t even take place downtown. So while in most cities most people will want to travel near the city center, LA is extremely sprawling and dense everywhere so a lot of people might not even go through downtown in the first place.
Edit: just to confirm, it is an absolutely necessary project to double track to union station, and electrify. However not everything needs to take place at the exact same time and brightline will still be perfectly feasible without it. The main thing that’s going to decide its success is wether or not metro link aligns its schedule with brightline arrivals and departures (which should be around the same time since it’s a terminal station)
The biggest challenge for North American infrastructure projects is getting right-of-way. Building alongside a freeway is fairly straightforward.
I think your both missing that this is a private company not a government program.
Its not about cutting your commute times its about getting tourists to Vegas with less headaches than a plane or roadtrip.
Building into the city would wreck the margin.
@@airron5019 Getting to Union Station would make it easier for people to get on Brightline, since as a tourist staying in a CBD hotel or just flying into LAX and transferring straight to trains, it means once you get to Union Station, you're on the Brightline train and off to Vegas.
@@airron5019 It’s profitable because the right of way acquisition is straightforward.
Simplest reason, it would cost a lot of time and money just to clear a right of way for it.
Plus its easy to reach Rancho for a huge portion of the population of So Cal and easy to build a large parking facility.
that entire Inland Empire of the valley needs a complete rebuilt anyway....and there's lots of land in all directions.
"easy to reach Rancho" You've never actually done this before, have you?
Rancho should be the FIRST of several transfer stops, but the terminus should be Union Station in L.A. Downtown is where people want to go. From there, I can easily find my way elsewhere. I will be using this line & don't want to have to get off in R.C. to then wait on a Metro line that far away from the epicenter. It'll take forever to get to L.A. from R.C. and will be a waste of time (may as well drive!). There should also be an Express line option from Vegas straight to Union Station.
Well good for you 👏
It's just one extra train. Union Station to Rancho then Rancho to Vegas.
you are going to love Apple Valley
Yes, any transfer is very time consuming. RC is not the center of LA metro center, it's on the edge of it. There are four existing rail lines (including the BNSF double track main) between the Inland Empire and LA. Something could be worked out.
Downtown Los Angeles is not where people want to go. And certainly not Union Station. Most people on vacation would want to stay on the West Side, closer to the beaches and Universal Studios and maybe Hollywood. Or they would go to Anaheim and Disneyland. Los Angeles is too spread out.
The terminus should be at San Bernardino's central station where multiple Metrolink lines converge with the sbX and Arrow transitways and with the future California High-Speed Rail to and from L.A. and San Diego.
San Bernardino's central station also offers express trains to and from L.A. Union Station, and San Bernardino International Airport lies only 1.5 miles to the East.
Additionally, the City of San Bernardino owns an adjacent 43-acre site of a former mall that is perfect for redevelopment and that has the room to accommodate high-speed rail running between Las Vegas and San Diego and that will cross the future East‐West line running between Los Angeles and Phoenix, potentially.
Arrow is a stupid distraction the SBCTA uses so it can exploit the Pacific Electric Right of Way as a trail. Southern Pacific had control but somehow lost it to the county. single track standard guage. Route 66 goes underneath the Pacific Electric in fontucky.
The reporter didn't answer the question why it isn't going all the way to downtown. We already know what transfers can be done that was never in dispute. Why aren't we getting what we agreed to initially? And why is everyone in this state always okay with getting ripped off?
Bc A they know the California project to have first dibs. B building into DTLA is probably triple the budget of the RC to Vegas line. C why not wait until the state and fed ready to put money into the last leg of the project
@@nicksalgado22 They wouldn't be laying new tracks, they'd use the existing tracks to get to Union Station.
@@JesusIsLordLasVegasYou gotta make sure the track standards are met, as well as build electrification and grade separation. Not to mention Union Station will have to be upgraded fully, especially the platforms to provide level boarding, along with other infrastructure like electrification. So odds are they're gonna wait for CAHSR to actually go to LA and build a dedicated section for HSR. (But that will take 40 years because they aren't getting the proper funds in the first place) But at least it's better than not having high speed rail at all.
What do you mean “we agreed to”? This is not part of the CA HSR project.
Because it would be illegal. The US doesn't make high speed trains, which are lighter, and the crash standards are different. Trains in the rest of the world are designed to not crash, and crumple in a crash like your car does. US-made trains on the other hand are designed to be like tanks and just plow through anything they run into. You can't legally put global-standard trains on US tracks unless US trains are forbidden from those tracks. i.e. if they electrified the Metrolink line and put Brightline trains on it, Metrolink wouldn't be able to run its American-style trains on the line legally (and if the US train crashed into Brightline, the Brightline train would be obliterated).
It will be built on time because it’s going to Vegas. FYI, in Maryland, the Federal Railroad Administration paused a 5 year $28 million study in 2019 for a 40 mile Maglev train line between DC and Baltimore. After work on the study restarted, FRA initiated a second pause in 2021. Nearly three years into the current suspension, FRA says no updates available. Estimated cost is $18 billion. Japan pledged $5 billion toward the project. Northeast Maglev, private company leading the project, withdrew application in late December for a water quality certification from Md Dept of the Environment. MDE was going to reject the request, pointing to a bevy of missing details. Northeast Maglev intends to resubmit application after it acquires more engineering and design information.
I bet LasVegas to Rancho Cucamonga is completed first.
I used to ride the Maglev in D.C. to VA all the time, Pentagon City mainly.
@@JesusIsLordLasVegasbefore or after you hit your crack pipe?
I bet the MagLev thing never gets completed at all.
They need to make the metro link run later times i think the last one from down town la to IE is at 1030pm
It's like buying a plane ticket to NY but the airline dropped you off and landed in NJ instead, as if to tell you, "Here you are, bud! You can go walk or take a cab to NY from here." I mean, isn't that what the people in LA and Vegas were asking for to begin with: a HSR to connect LA and Vegas (NOT Rancho Cucamunga and Vegas)?
Correct.
That's essentially what flying United to Newark is.
Contrary to some comments below, Metrolink owns a lot of track in Los Angeles and Orange Counties. The San Bernardino line through El Monte and Claremont is the former Pacific Electric San Bernardino line, and the rest, including the Rancho Cucamonga station, is the former Santa Fe passenger mainline. Unfortunately, there isn't room along most of the ex-PE line for more than one track. Hopefully, Brightline West spurs extension of the Line A light rail line to Claremont and Rancho Cucamonga, which currently ends at Azusa. Nearly all of Line A, from Los Angeles to Azusa, is the former Santa Fe passenger mainline.
Metrolink takes about 74 minutes to go from Los Angeles to Rancho Cucamonga, but Metro's Line A provides good connections to places like Pasadena, and even downtown Los Angeles. The Metrolink ticket is $8.00 one-way, compared to $1.75 on Metro.
perhaps because (with apologies to Mel Blanc) Anaheim and Azusa have uninteresting names
Sounds like some thing Mr. Benny would say!
Living in Rancho means you never have to admit you're Cucamonga.
Why's it going to Rancho Cucamonga instead of LA? Because it was never going to go to LA. It is so much cheaper for Brightline to go to Rancho and get some of that tasty Federal HSR money than it is to go into LA proper, as they'd need to either run a direct line themselves which would probably cost just as much as the cost from Rancho to LV, or they would need to upgrade Metrolink rails/service which again is a cost that Brightline doesn't want to deal with.
Will a ticket on brightline be cheaper than flying? Why can’t Las Vegas build a railway from the airport to the strip? How will people get to the strip from the brightline station?
They should extend the Las Vegas Monorail to the airport and the future Brtightline Station.
Las Vegas is unwilling and/or unable to create a decent public transportation system. The Monorail is a joke line that serves a few casinos and it's not even convenient to get to.
At least in Southern California, it connected with current metrolink rail system. What about Vegas side? Why can't Las Vegas Monorail extend and connect with the Brightline West high speed rail?
Same reason there is no rail service to Las Vegas's airport: the cab and ridehailing industries need all that $$$
There's no luggage service on Metrolink
Many commuter trains don't offer luggage service. Just bring your suitcase on the train with you.
@@Ven100 My comment is in response to the news reporter who claimed there would be luggage service to transfer suitcases from Brightline trains to Metrolink trains.
...Brightline, you can forget about $400 roundtrip. Are you kidding me? I fly roundtrip to LAX & back for $120. Less if I plan ahead.
$280 not to deal with the TSA might be worth it
@@PelosiStockPortfoliowhat makes you think they won't have that type of system implemented also because it's a train?
Yeah in some places like in San Bernardino you can fly to Vegas for half that price
@@supertec2023 Durrr... because trains currently exist and they dont have anything like TSA
@@supertec2023 because it's a train. Yes.
Just as long as we establish that any speed below 125mph is not "High-Speed".
It will go up to 200 mph, so we’re good. But the train speeds may go back down in areas where the median isn’t wide enough for high speed rail curves, or on the steep hills where the speed will need to be reduced a bit. But the average speed will be over 100 mph, which is still pretty standard for high speed rail.
The usual definition is that 200 kph is high speed. This was first attained on the Tokaido Line between Tokyo and Osaka in 1964.
As a Chicago-area transplant to the Northeast Corridor, I stand flabbergasted.
Seems there's a lot to still be worked out regarding LA's Metrolink, while between NYC and DC, mass-transit systems almost (understatement?) run together.
Awesome!
Cant wait to see the videos on why brightline west failed and the main point being too expensive to not even get to downtown being the main one.
You can travel through most of Europe on train. UEROPE!! We are so far behind. We need this. Next, they need to expand this to Arizona, NEW Mexico, etc…
You can do that here too but the difference is that train schedules suck and the trains are slow and inconvenient. But yeah you can pretty much connect to most important cities in the US by train. But we do have a long way to go to catch up to Europe but also building rail link doesn’t make sense everywhere in the US as we just don’t have the population density of city pairs that Europe has. We have the best network of inland airports which can help us travel faster. But there are a few key routes and regions that definitely need good rail links like Texas, California, northeast(it already does have one)
, Pacific Northwest and the Chicago hub region.
The average American is fine with slop since they are averse to taxes and proper levels of public funding , unfortunately
@@kdhemingo that used to be true but with wages going less further than they used to I think the next generation is going to ask for more public services. It has its pro and cons.
@@portcybertryx222 That's a lot of information but that's not the reason. Those are central governments with a socialist economy that provides any amount of tax money the government dictates that people must pay to build whatever the government pleases. This is why cars are a luxury inn most countries. In the USA of course, we have the freedom to choose what we want to spend most of our money on with the exception of democrat ran states. Simply put, most states don't have enough tax money to pay for high speed rail & when they do like California they completely miss manage the project because they don't understand how to run a business in a capitalist country. This is why Bright line is winning & CHSR continues to run out of money & fall behind schedule. They build stations based on politically motivated reasons rather than on what is financially sustainable.
Europe, my dear is smaller and much more dense than the US, for them HSR makes sense. For the US, flights make sense because of it's size, corridors are probably not a bad idea but a full HSR network is not.
You will spend well over an hour just to get to Rancho from DLA. Then you have to find parking and wait for the train. That's like another hour. Might as well just drive or fly to Vegas.
STOP! BEING! ANNOYING!
just as long as it has a decent bar car on the train, i'll be fun
Even with a transfer to MetroLink, DTLA to Vegas is ~3.5 hours which is still far better than driving (especially in peak hours) and close to the total time flying when factoring in airport pre-departure arrival, deboarding, and baggage claim (if you have checked luggage).
You take metro link smart guy
@@Ven10045 mins to fly and less money
Becuase it would likely double or triple the cost of the entire project as the direct route is always the more expensive options. This is what California high speed rail will face once it starts construction in LA, as it’s actually a direct connection that has tunnels and higher speeds.
Rancho Cucamonga is one hour car drive from DTLA and over one hour from SFV with no traffic. This is not going to work.
The story really doesn't answer the question, but I imagine it comes down to cost. building a new right of way along side of and existing one (duplicating service in the process) through expensive real estate would be prohibitively expensive. Plus Brightline would needlessly mired in lawsuits and eminent domain challenges, environmental reviews to point where it would take as long as it is taking to build the LA to San Francisco high speed rail service.
YES YES YES, this is why President Biden deserves another 4 years, for helping us Californians and Nevadans, giving us prosperity and growing our economy. We were chosen to be the first to host true high speed rail.
Nah, not enough 😂😂😂
@@Anomize23 more than enough, it's a big deal, I live only 30 minutes from one of these stations. Biden 2024!
I would like to know why it’s not going to stop in Barstow California
How many people are going to get on or off in Barstow? It's a big truck/car stop but not a destination.
One HSR (Central Valley) is gov't run. One HSR (Las Vegas) is private sector. Guess which one will be completely clustered.
If it becomes 100% official that a Brightline ticket will allow infinite transfers to get to your destination on Metrolink at no additional cost, that's a bonus. A bonus they need to start screaming outloud ASAP to counteract not going straight to Union Station with the high speed rail.
It’s only $8 on Metrolink.
This still doesn’t explain why it doesn’t go to Union Station. Just that it goes to RC, and from RC you can get to US and other locations in the SoCal area.
The actual reason is because funding and deadlines would be a lot harder to make.
Edit: it’s also because LA wants people to use its metrolink and other country rail systems. That makes it more profitable for LA. Clearly they’re still greedy whether it’s for rail or road transportation.
Maybe the Blue Line will stretch all the way to Rancho Cucamonga. That’d be nice.
Wonderful progress! Long live the Rails!!
Wouldn’t take a train in a million years no way no how
@@robertherman1146 Why not?!
Having road Amtrak into LA Union Station one thing is clearly obvious the amount of track space available. Surprisingly it's very limited.
That metrolink line needs to be upgraded and electrified though. I can't believe how much American passenger rail is still Diesel-hauled in 2024....
All of you have missed what this project is really about. It's not about trains. It's just a big real estate deal with each train station being a large multi use real estate projects.The train will lose money. The profit is on the real estate side.
Most new high speed rail stations aren’t in the city centre; especially in China. Once I was going from Beijing to another city which is just an hour away by HSR, I took me longer to get to the train station by cab!
I also heard brightline is working with the other high speed rail project connecting LA with San Francisco supposed a connection will be built from the existing brightline rail from Vegas to Rancho Cucamonga to Palmdale. There are high speed rail projects in the North East United States. The Vegas to LA will spur other western Cities to start their own high speed rail projects and possibly start a network in the western United States.
Lol
@scottg8660 always some jokers got to show up🤣
Thank goodness I don’t have to go LA, I’ve been there twice in my life and twice to VEGAS , traffic is horrible, feel bad for people who has to deal with this situation
1:58 that door is open while it's moving
Please have an actual express train from union to rancho with zero stops
Rancho Cucamonga seems a strange anchor for a high-speed train to Vegas, but as others have pointed out in the comments (but not in the news story), the cost to connect to LA Union Station would have been so prohibitive it would not happen. Those types of expectations (and local politics) is dooming high speed rail elsewhere in California. What is unfortunate is that Metrolink is not directly connected to the Ontario airport or Los Angeles International airport; passengers have to take a shuttle. Local government planning (and politics) is incredibly short-sighted.
But the Metrolink times suck, and are so limited. They cater to commuters, and not people who want to stay at their location past 5 or 7pm
Wow that's crazy. You know China built their first high-speed rail link in 5 years, it went from Beijin to Shanghai; that's like going from Toronto, Canada to Boston MA USA. The crazy part is Metrolink's plans to take 4 hours to build a HS link that is much much shorter.
Viewer in CA asking the same question. CA isn't informed on this project. That is not a quick commute in our area. ENORMOUS inconvenience. Ghost train
Seen Mas transit In LA? Like a cess pool
Leaving platform 5 for Anaheim, Azusa, and Cuc....amonga!
It shares the exsisting rail corridor between rancho and LA
It's fine and good to have a stop in Rancho Cucamonga coming from Las Vegas and have the options of transferring to meto service. However, that's not the point! High speed trains in Europe and Japan do this all the time as they make less frequent stops but stops nonetheless, but ALL OF THEM go from one cities MAIN TRIAN STATION to the terminating MAIN TRIAN STATION, they don't STOP SHORT of where you want to go! Do these people think we are idiots who don't understand how trains SHOULD work? i.e. go from city center to center of city. That's how it's supposed to work, not drop you off in some suburb. United States can never get high speed rail to work it seems. It's not hard to see how the rest of the world does this.
Finished in four years isn't going to happen. There are no tracks. They'll need to lay those along with a catenary system for the electric system. Just adding catenary wiring to Caltrain has taken six years, with the tracks already there, and it's a route that's only a fraction in length. Why Brightline is saying four years, I don't know. I hope I'm wrong, but maybe this gets finished in a decade.
They will pressure the workers..
Nothing new
Las Vegas is involved and it actually goes to a place people want to go.
Great points and it’s something I’ve been saying in other posts. Additionally, this will be Brightline’s first HSR project. Their Florida projects are similar but not the same.
With Caltrain and California high speed rail there was fierce opposition to the projects, brightline is facing zero opposition, Caltrain wiring took longer because it is also complicated to electrify an ACTIVE railroad. Brightline is constructing a new railroad from scratch and already has the necessary approvals to allow for completion in 2028. If the schedule goes over, brightline will be forced to pay hefty fines to Unions and Operators.
Plus the workers having to deal with the heat a lot of the year, they will probably have to work at night but it is still hot in the desert at night in the summer but at least they won't have the blazing sun on them.
It's not the first high speed rail line in the US, not by a long shot. The Acela goes 150 mph and has been running since 2000. And this train from Brightline will only do HSR speeds on two very short segments just outside Vegas.
You can't call a rail line "HSR" because under 10% of the line will have HSR speeds. That's not how reality works.
I live on nyc , the Acela most of the time doesn’t hit that speed. And there’s too much traffic on the north east corridor.
@@JoeyJoe-f5o The Acela travels at 125+ mph for more than half of its route. This is exactly how about half of the HSR in Europe and about half of the Shinkansen lines work in Japan.
Each system tends to have a few faster lines, but the bulk of the HSR lines worldwide are the Acela kind - upgraded express rail with 125-ish mph speeds.
Only the scratch built new networks in Spain and China don't have more than half of their HSR networks consist of Acela-like HSR lines.
A privately owned company is always going to cash in on the easiest route, so Brightline is sticking to the desert section. The line into downtown LA will be complete when the publicly owned California High Speed Rail does the heavy lifting to upgrade the tracks through the city.
That would happen if Cal HSR actually reached LA. Right now that project is overbudget partly because of land aquisitions, and they haven't even finished the first phase, which won't connect to LA or SF or Sacramento yet. Until the government or investors see success with Brightline West, funding for an upgraded link to DTLA probably won't happen, especially not because of Cal HSR.
@@Netizpossible California HSR will go to downtown LA. It has nothing to do with the Brightline West line. It is taking a long time because it is a huge project and it has never been done before in this country. There is no institutional knowledge to lean on. Brightline is using rails and trains compatible with Cal HSR exactly for the purpose of eventually piggybacking on their lines to DTLA.
You mean one that already took billions in government money?😂
NBCLA: "Woman Stabbed on Metro Elevator" video posted on You Tube 11 hours ago. Current time: 6:05 pm Pacific Time 05/14/24. Check out the comments on that video. Is that what Olympic visitors are going to experience? In order to get to Olympic venues via train, one will have to use LA Metro Rail.
Why not build to downtown???? They can expand freeways yet not put down two pairs of track? In China they would have this completed in 2 years running from Rancho to Los Angeles at full 220 mph.
Metrolink is pretty useless right now; it runs once an hour at best and stops running after like 7 PM in many casee. They would need to upgrade it considerably unless they want a bunch of people stuck in RC.
Not going to central LA will doom this project. People who choose to take the train don’t want to have to transfer! It’s all about politics and money 😡
Yeah and when you get to your destination station, you have no car to get around
That’s why there’s an expansive bus and rail network across Los Angeles, i frequently take Metrolink to Disneyland.
Do you have a car to get around in when you fly?
@@mikevale3620 People who can afford to fly, aren't getting on a train with the rest of the peasants
@@renzog1237 Trains provide a higher quality of life than cars and planes. I live in LA without a car, not because I can't afford one but because they suck.
@mikevale3620 with the money you saved by flying, yes.
2:42 0.5 playback: At the center, there is the possibility of creating life
How safe will it be as far as crime onboard? BART is full of crime What’s the trains plan?
You try so hard huh?
Have you SEEN what it is going to look like inside??? Crime is the plague of the poor and impoverished, you cant afford to LOOK at how much it costs to ride this thing.
@@meganwynn372 First class seats
@@meganwynn372 you’re a fake bot account.
This isn't a city subway system. Is there rampant crime on Amtrak? I think you know the answer.
It would cost millions or billions more to extend into downtown. Tunnels, overpasses, underpasses, etc. That's reason this is being done fast and CHEAP. Nothing in the way unlike the CA HSR.
$28 Billion is cheap?????
What would be awesome if the HSR linked up with bright line… but that will never happen.
Because they don’t have the money to deal with strong NIMBYs
Might as well drive there you're half way
And get stuck in gridlock traffic… nah I prefer avoiding traffic.
how is that halfway rancho is like 45mins from la and rancho is another 3 and a half ours from Vegas. do u not know math?
@@sqxpn1433 brightline’s proposed timetables have the trip from rancho to Vegas at 1 hr and 50 minutes with stops in the High Desert, the entire trip from Vegas to LA Union Station can be completed in 3 hours with a 25 minute transfer at Rancho Cucamonga, 2 hours and 50 minutes with a 15 minutes transfer and, 2 hours and 35 minutes with a 10 minutes transfer. Brightline’s initial schedule will guarantee transfers between 10-15 minutes and when Brightline service is increased to half hourly, 10 minute transfers will be guaranteed for all trains and trips.
@@pinhead35 only days are you are stuck in traffic are Fridays and Sundays. That's why I do my Vegas trips not on those days and it's always a straight shot no traffic. Another option is at night, if you leave it night there is no traffic either.
@@sqxpn1433"Rancho is like 45 mins from LA" 😆 Yeah at 3 in the morning maybe.
80mph isn't high speed rail.
Already a joke in the making before it even runs🙈
High speed rail can’t go on most old tracks
Im happy that Los Angeles is taking mass transit seriously. For it to be the nation's 2nd largest city, a car shouldn't be the primary option to get around.
This isn't mass transit. The LA metro is dirty and dangerous. The Mayor finally admitted that this week. People get stabbed every day on buses and trains
Nobody is riding this train when it costs less to fly.
How many flies do they have a day? The train will have more passengers hourly and probably will match competition to fly.
I always thought that Rancho Cucamonga was a made up place on the show work-a-holics
what an incredible waste of time. You didn't answer why it won't run to DTLA at all!
The Metrolink goes almost nowhere. So, you'll have bright line to Metrolink to uber
The real answer is they don't have money and it will take longer to construct. They decide to stop at Rancho for you can transfer on Metrolink into LA. Metrolink is not looking to electrify their system at the moment. But in the future California will build another high speed rail line called the High Desert Corridor. It will connect Victorville on the Brightline West and Lancaster/Palmdale on the California HSR network. From there Brightline trains will join CAHSR and into LA Union. But we already have seen the issue in the Central Valley. Once that's open in 2030, they said the next part to open will be to San Francisco. CAHSR needs to dig very long and deep tunnels south of Bakersfield and Palmdale. Where I'm from in the Northeast, the Hudson Tunnels will take about 11 years and they are about a mile or two. Is there a possibility Brightline can help with the tunneling? I'm not sure
CAHSR only plans to have 55 miles of 220-250 mph high speed rail tunnels as part of a 500 mile long system.
California high speed rail ran out of money & fell behind schedule because you build stations for politically motivated reasons rather than based on what's finically sustainable. The real answer is because of the high taxation & the fact it's stupid to build something with a business model that hasn't been proven yet. That's how business works. You have to start small & then invest more when that business proves to be successful. This is why we only had three stations here in Miami where as you guys have nothing yet.
@@shechshire Brightline has a very good business model, CAHSR does not.
Do not count on CAHSR reaching SoCal anytime in a decent future timeframe (40 miles of tunnels). So the High Desert Corridor may end up being a "higher" speed type connection at best to hopefully an upgraded Metrolink Antelope Valley line.
No way luggage’s transfer…..😮
Rancho Cucamonga has changed a lot in the last 15 years. It's nothing like it used to be. End of an era. They want to make Las Vegas into a sports town. Makes sense they're tying the train into the future Olympics. Absolutely have no interest in riding it. I spent 5 years riding subways because I had to and hated it.
Many drive because it is the only true option.
somebody needs a hug
Enjoy having less traffic!
Has any placed stayed the same after 15 years ? Including yourself?
@@HEAT4YOAZZ lived there from 1996-2009
...and once you get there you can switch trains and drag your luggage across the station while people bump into you which is very convenient.
It's hilarious that they somehow think all people go from Southeast to Northwest or vice versa on a diagonal. What if you're in rancho Cucamonga and you want to go northeast to Southwest straight to the coast? 😆
What?? You mean to tell me Rancho Cucamongus isn’t LA 😂
Isn't it cheaper and faster to just fly from Vegas to LA ?
Does that also factor in and include time spent at the airport prior to boarding?
Brightline is in direct competition with those flights since traffic getting TO lax adds 1-2 hours to your trip on top of airport security which adds 2 more hours. Brightline will consistently take 2 Hours and 40 minutes from Union Station to Las Vegas with a transfer to metrolink included in the time estimate.
@@pinhead35 Metrolink currently takes 74 minutes between LA and RC. Brightline West will take about two hours to reach Las Vegas. Add in say a 10-15 minute transfer at RC, and that's about a 3 1/2 hour trip. Probably still about on par with flying between downtown LA and the Strip, plus the train will be more consistent with its travel time than a plane might, and especially compared to driving I-15.
Cheaper yes, faster no. Airports take forever.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fcYou're assuming that Metrolink will actually get their shit together to produce a 10-15 minute transfer time. Right now headways are an hour at best.
“Luggage will be transferred for you like at an airport” gee that sure sounds like peaches and cream .. Yet it’s not , airports can’t even keep track of their luggage’s they will end up in different states or won’t even leave the terminal or worse stolen .. I don’t trust this train station with my luggage especially from “LA to Vegas” .. I rather just drive and keep my belongings
You can also take your belongings with you on the train if you don’t trust their checked baggage system, (which in Florida is really good and reliable), unlike airplanes, there is no carry on luggage limit.
Sure! Nevadans love the idea of using LA’s mass transit-cuz who doesn’t wanna gamble on getting stabbed to death?
(Sorry but downtown and surrounding metro areas are outta control right now)
Rancho Cucamonga is better than Laupt . Nobody goes downtown LA and why funnel everyone down-town just to go back out to the suburbs anyways .
Folks, this will not be complete in our lifetimes. Maybe our kids, kids, kids, kids, lifetime, but not ours.
this is my city
Where's the ChUNNEL to go through the mountains???!!
Cool, it'll create more jobs👍
Who wants a train to end up at the Inland Empire?
This video promotes Metrolink; it doesn't explain why Brightline is not investing in direct service to LA.
Local news, bad as ever.
one time i waited 5 hrs for metro!!!!
Sounds like a Johnny Carson joke.
Cowabunga Rancho Cucamonga!
Train! Why not Elons Hyperloop??
Elon said it would revolutionize travelling!
Do the not trust Elons word??
Completed in 4 years? I thought this was fox 5, looks more like Comedy Central….
Not first... the first one went broke in CA
California has already started construction on CA HSR so Brightline is not the first
Plus, Brightline is going to be a little slower than what is internationally recognized as high speed rail.
@@mathieufaltys Oh wow even Brightline West?
Obvious that it is going to be for the wealthy ,not for the average people.
It'll cost the same as a flight.
No, thanks. I'll fly Southwest to Long Beach.
Its a waste of money. It wont attract a lot of riders.
Just promises no action 😔
The train isn't going to downtown because the train isn't for Californians. Nevada is building a second international airport and a new city, and it's along the rail line near Primm. Rancho Cucamonga will be set up as an interim office location for businesses leaving California for Nevada. A new Strip is being built at the Las Vegas train station, and the old Strip will be converted into the sports gaming world center. There is a LOT of money in this project, and it's coming from the United Arab Emirates.
Sounds like a conspiracy 😂😂😂😂😂
@@supertec2023Sounds like BS.
wrong. the chinese y hindu's of India are buying up all new single family houses in Chino, Chino hills upland Cucamonga, Ontario Fontana. look at the assessor's map in San berdo county. it is an invasion by non-NATO countries. this DIMLINETRAIN is going to Apple Valley. THAT'S IT!! do you really think Dimlinebis going up and down the hill everyday? IMPOSSIBLE! remember parts flying off the Las Vegas Monorail?? same thing. it is a tourist trap. I love Las Vegas Strip ! STOP YUCCA MOUNTAIN!! no nuclear waste in Nevada...that's what Utah is for
if the California Progressive party stopped private transportation companies from generating their own electricity what do think is going to happen to DIMLINE?? The L.A.R.W. and Pacific Electric were killed off this way (who framed roger rabbit missed it) go to The Southern California Railroad Museum in Perris California and see for yourself and ride the Yellow and Red Cars again. please call ahead and Be Courteous. a lot of real cowboys in law enforcement out there