Kevin Durant Is 'Single-Handedly Ruining' LeBron James' Legacy | First Take | June 9, 2017
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- Will Cain says Kevin Durant is “single-handedly ruining” LeBron James’ legacy as the greatest player of all time, while Stephen A. Smith says James is ruining his legacy all on his own.
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"Singlehandedly" like Steph ain't averaging 28-9-9.7 😒
yeah they low key forget about curry and the rest of the team carrying durant. Durant was NEVER averaging 35 in any series. The warriors have such great players and shooters that space the floor to the point that kd shooting 60%.
Skip 2 My Lou in 2012 kd averaged 31 on 50% shooting in the finals nice try but stop
Bkc 14 K 30.6 ppg ain't 35.2 ppg and that 2012 thunder team gave him the ball a lot more. Durant only averaged 2 assists in the 2012 finals and he played 43 minutes a game compared to 39 minutes in the 2017 finals. The games were close in 2012 and durant gave it all he got. However, KD was wide open most of his points in 2017 finals. Watch the highlights. Mike Breen: "durant open, durant with easy dunk, durant with the uncontested jumper..." Durant could have played more in the 2017 finals and averaged 40 if he wanted. Durant made all his points look easy because they WERE EASY. Lebron 30% of points were assisted on vs. 70% of durants points were assisted on. Not taking credit away from his dominance but cavs did have to deal with guarding curry and klay. Without durant on the team the team still makes the finals but without curry the team ain't making it past the spurs. Durant 48% from three and 4 threes a game when has he shot like that before?
Also 70% true shooting percentage in 2017 finals compared to 65% in 2012.
@@raferalstonisgoat4457 so you don't expect him to improve when he was 5 years younger
these were the same people burning lebron's jersey when he first left.....funny
Trxll Juju cuz average people aint shit
They back dikk riding when he came back
Its 3-6 now Will Cain was right lol 1yr from Jun 9th 2017
Antonio Montgomery
& Leaving Cleveland too... LMAO
@A Friendly Hobo my point exactly they're winning again the 2018-2019 season too.
Low Distortion nope
4-6*
*Yeah single-handedly with his 3 all star, all-nba teammates...*
Draco I gotta make it back...
Draco AND IGGY
What, like the 2012 Heat?
bernt barbera I was gonna say 4 all star team mates but I left Iggy off cus he's not allstar level right now
didn't u say cavs in 6
What’s amazing to say is even with all of those added players the warriors have, Lebron is still a “super” threat to the entire system just with role players. No team today led by only Durant, or Harden, or Curry, or any other allstar would stand a chance in a 7 game finals with a team of role players led by Lebron. Even if you add an all star duo. It’s impossible. Steve Kerr will admit that much...
Will Cain was low key right. KD really did make Lebron leave the Cavs.
no he didnt
Lebron didn't leave his contact in Cleveland is over.
Just remember that the only reason that KD joined the Warriors was to defeat LeBron
Goat Stature he did lol 😂
J Allen what. So why not resign ?
Will Cain did say KD would run Bron out of Cleveland.
That was a solid prediction he said 😱
The warriors made KD run to them😂 That’s just embarrassing
@@felipe5955 the warriors begged KD to join them after they lost. They realized they can't win without Durant
He left because he dropped 51 in an NBA finals game and still lost
*Imagine if any other player was held to the same bar as LeBron?*
Imagine if LeBron blew a 3-1 in the WCF and then bandwagoned the team that beat him, debatably one of the best teams the league has ever seen (73-9). Pause and take that in
still can't believe the weakness of his move 5 years later.
Who cares KD in 7
@@nezzwilson7452 7 years?
@@yohanesscunningham7435 7 decades
LeBron got as many finals losses as Jordan got rings
rich_one That is such an impressive record! Wonder how he did that...not easy to lose 66.67% of finals .....a legend
Ow lol!!!!
rich_one 100💯👌
rich_one ya with Jordan having help with lebron vs all time spurs and warriors with no help please stop
@@slimshady5088 If you listen to Max in the video hes right. If LeBron wouldve beat the warriors in 17' (with kyrie) he wouldve lifted himself above Jordan but he didn't because he utterly choked in game 3, going down 3-0 and having no chance to come back, then Kyrie leaves, LeBron goes to another finals going through a WEAK eastern conference and gets swept because he has no help
Kevin Durant is the definition of the ultimate basketball player.. The only thing he lacked was defense but now that he has made his mind up to become a stopper on D to go along with his unstoppable offense, he is the ultimate basketball player.
No matter what LeBron James does, it'll never be enough to silence his critics. This dude just knocked off a 73 win team with epic performances, coming back from 3-1, leading Cleveland to its first title, and 12 months later, he's averaging 32/12/10 against a better version of that team, and we're asking if his legacy is ruined lmao.
Javier Woolrich I guess lebron didn't contribute to any of the games either right? he didn't do not a darn thing until it was time to pass it to Irving. dude get the hate out your ❤. be realistic. I think curry and durant are the biggest bitches in the league right now, but I won't never discredit their talent and I know what they bring to a game.
Aquil S hes a great. But hes not passing MJ. He had a higher PER, both playoff and regular. Highest ppg in regular and playoffs. Dude knows how to win hence why he is 6-0 with 6 final MVPs. MJ truly is the diamond standard.
Aquil S running a regular season that hard can wear you down. hence beating a team who did so well regular season, might be easier than you're allowing yourself to understand/admit.
That's one of the worst excuses ever. If you're tired from trying to hard in the regular season that's your fault. They had a 3-1 lead and couldn't close it out. No excuses for that.
Aquil S Facts!!!!!!!!
Apparently, what Kobe did doesn't count for this people, like he never play in the NBA.
Right
He was great but let’s not gas it he’s not top 5 & the goats know that
@@jerrodgarland2604 he's top 2
@@Apexssb top 4
THAT IS BLASPHEMOUS!! Stephen A is officially back lol
Steve Jobs watch your self with racist remarks. It's real lame ppl get on here and open there mouths with this bs.
BYFARTV fuck Stephen bald head ahhh
The dude on the right is an idiot. He's basically saying that if MJ would have taken LeBron's spot on the cavs that they would have won. Bullshit. No matter who replaces LeBron, they aren't winning against the Golden State Warriors
Steve Jobs dam bruh where do you get your weed from?? I need some of whatever you smoking on bruh!
Haha
single-handedly? doesn't he have the 2 best shooters in nba history on his team including a unanimous mvp? lol espn stop being prisoners of the moment it's disrespectful. Dickriding the warriors SMH
S0n0legend0 are you dumb. kd ruined lebron legacy bc they getting swept and hes 3-5 idiot. if he didnt, why you care about kd joining?
DreadsAndKush in order for KD to do that he needs a 73-9 team and it has to be a aged lebron. get it straight u dumb fan. hes 3-5 yes but 7 straight finals appearance. are u forgetting KD only been there twice!? so he 1-1 if he wins the finals this year which is lower than lebrons Finals %. lbj 3-5 = 57% KD 1-1= 50% so if that's ur argument plz just STFU.
S0n0legend0 dude you are so right how stupid people are being do they really think if LeBron and KD just switched teams the results would be the exact fucking same
What about Steph Curry? Is he ruining Lebron's legacy too? Klay Thompson? Klay had 30 points last game and no one's talking about......why?
Tj Williams 3-5 isn't 57%. 3/8....that's less than 50% bud
i literally watched this thinking this was analysis for the 2018 finals. same argument and its still valid. lebron james will never be MJ.
For once I think I agree with Stephen A
jack_jupiter lol except he's wrong on this topic lol
Arsen Jan go easy on him, his ass is probably still chapped from dick riding LeBron the brief time he used his team for rings to boost his legacy
Maurice Williams shut up please everything Steven said was facts
Same here
jack_jupiter sure as hell agree with Steven a smith
Same ones bashing KD for his move are begging for Paul George. 😂😂
Darius Chandler not a cavs or warriors hypebeast bandwagon but how are those moves remotely the same
Darius Chandler well if the Warriors can sign second best player and warriors fans have no problem with it, why can't the cavs get Paul George, who isn't close to KD level, and not get any backlash from you idiots? Hypocrites
Darius Chandler duh... KD already made the move... now Cavs have to add a piece..
because lebron always beat pg, recently sweeped him and in 2013 indiana blew the series. Pg to the cavs would not be as big because everyone is fixated on hating kd
Darius Chandler the only way this would be the same thing is is PG went to Cleveland. which i don't think he can bring himself to do that. KD didn't just "go to another team" he went to a team that set the wins record the previous year, that was destined to go to the finals again REGARDLESS of KD, oh and he went to the team THAT he choked against and lost to. people need to realize that's it's not about KD leaving OKC, its not about him going to the warriors per say, its about competitiveness. the "if you can't beat them join them" mentality is not competitive and should never be viewed as competitive.
Not a fan of Will Cain, especially when he talks in 3rd person.
Single handed? He plays with the greatest shooting back court in history including a guard who creates more space and spreads the floor more than anyone I have ever seen. Also plays alongside one of the all time great defenders. He also has a great bench.
Yeah with 3 other future Hall of Famers on his team. The Warriors are just too much with KD on that team. They didn't need KD to make it to the Finals and the won it all without him 2 years ago.
They didn't need kd to make it to the finals BUT... They do need kd to make it to the finals as EASILY as the Cavs can make it to the finals in the weak east. The Cavs sleep walk thru the east every year so they are well rested by finals. Without kd gsw will have to battle thru the west, risking major fatigue and maybe even an injury from a key player
Walguens Aristide you sound stupid okay has defense and is lights out in the clutch, green has too much hustle
Walguens Aristide curry didn't even check his man(klay did) and draymond took up the role of guarding LeBron james(aka the best player in the world). Use your brain not your heart
Walguens Aristide so did klay. Klay and draymond have the vest defemse on their team, period point blank. Without their defense Steph better make 100% of his chucked up shots. Btw, remember it's "splash BROTHERS" klay is 1/2 of the splash BROTHERS except klay has much better defense and is a better finisher at the rim.
Jerrel Banks draymond green is one of the greatest defensive players in the nba and klay thompson is a lights out shooter u fucking idiot
i remember when MJ said that durant is better than james, good thing that Steve Kerr listens.
MJ never played this monster
Dude would been clapped. rt
LeBron James;
4x Regular Season MVP
3x NBA Champion
3x Finals MVP
Kevin Durant;
1x Regular Season MVP
How is KD better than LeBron?
Aj Jingco in the moment he is overcoming him.
Why dont u write that kd has 1 championship and a finals mvp?? And dont forget kd is young and healthy lol he can overcome james in rings
LeBron got a dose of his own medicine.
He form a super team before with dwade,bosh and allen those are leggend,just to beat the roaring young lion in the face of kd,harden and westbrook..they were too young that time if im not mistaken kd is just 4 season in the league while westbrook and hardeb was 3 season,but still they give the prime lebron,wade and the legend bosh a good play ......now he will taste the dose of his own medicine .hahaha
@@michaelkirschner6009 LeBron still stacked the deck, KD just one upped him. Remember the Heat added 2 all stars including the best player in the game to a team that almost won 50 games. That's still crazy although not as crazy as KD joining GS obviously.
@@poncearnel2950 Ppl forget that OKC was the favorite to win that finals series though. OKC was deeper as a team than that Miami squad.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff they was the 8th seed he left … every team bron leave they go to the lottery… warriors just won again
@@headshotjones7726 Usually because LeBron builds the team and that drains all their assets so then when he leaves they have nothing. Look at Cleveland now, they're doing fine.
This depends on what Bron wants, if he wants to avoid being compared to Wilt the way Russell over shadows him, he should head to the Spurs. No more finals against unbeatable teams number one, he'd face the Warriors in the Conference. On top, he's in a system, ready, with a cast ready to beat anyone and the GOAT coach in Pop. Bron gets 3 rings with the Spurs he'll be 6/11 in the finals and back in the GOAT debate. The East will be a mess but it's he smartest move if he wants rings now.
oh yeah, Spurs can easily give up Lamarcus Aldridge to free up space for Lebron, but Lebron won't be a system player in pops offense, he won't ever be a spur, I bet he'd join the Rockets if he ever left Cleveland, he has no chance on Cleveland in a couple of years once Dwade is done, and Drose will still be average and getting older, IT and Kevin love will be in their 30s too, it's going to be game set match against a prime Warriors team by then, if you think this is their prime, in a couple years together they'll be like the Jordan/Pippen bulls; once Dwade is done I think Lebron will bounce if they dont get Paul George in free agency.
Good perspective but no he won't be back in the GOAT debate because he has firstly played in a few game 7's and secondly he had to change teams to get rings and credit to the one he has from Cavs as well as the 2 in Miami but MJ didn't do any of the above.
And KD did push LeBron out of Cleveland 🔥😎💯
HpK Popz wrong. Dan Gilbert pushed lebron outta Cleveland
Nah San Antonio did
HpK Popz right joining 73-9 team weakest move in nba history
@@slimshady5088 LBJ to Wade County was what prompted KD to move to GSW. Did you forget who taught LeBron how to win? Lol shout out to D Wade
@@erikmerced6329 joining a 47-35 team is not the same thing as KD single handidly ruining the NBA by joining a 73-9 team that he purposely blew a 3-1 lead in the wcf.
No disrespect to Lebron but Jordan would MURDER Lebron if they played in the same era. Jordan loved a challenge and Lebron would have been a challenge . Jordan would drop 60 every time he played Lebron just to prove a point. Lebron dont have the killer in him and thats the difference between a great and a legend
Well they are obviously both legends. Jordan is just a much bigger legend. If Lebron always played with his game 6 against the Celtics mentality, then he may reach Jordan level
lol nothing about lebron makes him a legend. only a lot of very young kids like you think he is special.
U still saying that today after game 1?
No he wouldn't. Nolstagia is nice, but it doesn't really change that players get better over time. An athelete in any sport today on average is leaps and bounds superior to the average athelete of a sport ten years ago.
Karun Sagar shid that's a damn lie.. what they hell u smoking? Nothing has change there are no innovators. especially LeBron. He still doing the same thing.. the same moves he's been doing in highschool.. u trippin.. most players are just replicas of old players..tryna be like them
"Single handedly" ....with 2 of the greatest shooters of all time
Perhaps, but KD must realize the damage being done to his own legacy . . .
Didn't know being on pace to win numerous rings and Finals MVPs is ruining his legacy 🤔
Alex Rode Kevin Durant is A super role player!!!!
Andrew Blackop exactly
snake ass
Andrew Blackop but the story will be that he couldnt do it without joining a already established super team. I use to love kd but i just cant right now. I hope he leaves after he gets a few rings so i can go back to cheering him on.
11 Months Later Kd vs Lebrone 4-0 Sweep🏆😎 Life is Weird .....
Definitely cause he did it all on his own
Tae Hardin 8-1 against Lebron in both the 2017 and 2018 finals lol but hold on time for excuses for the media and Bronsexuals
@@tedgunn6977 Kd record against LeBron before he joined GS (5-17) 🤡
@@tedgunn6977if KD didn't join GSW you would've never said KD owns lbj
I felt the spittle fly from my phone screen onto my arm after that pronunciation of blasphemy
"Single handedly"🤔🤨curry,klay,green,iguadola😆😂. BS. Y'all know you need double talent or triple to beat lebron and that's what they got, otherwise they'd lose.
Hahahaha but lbj has irving,love and smith how about that?hahahahahaha lbj is not only the player of cavs so stop crying imao....
Ponce Arnel love sorry jr sorry
@@poncearnel2950 yes lbj did have irving,love and smith but kd had curry,klay and green so they had the 2 best shooters and one of the top players in the NBA so that's an unfair comparison
2015 : 4-2
2017 : 4-1
2018 : 4-0
Cry
Not if they beet them 4-1 and 4-0 Sweep Lol
now IMAGINE lebron joining golden state 🤯
We missed you Stephen A, so glad you're back 😄❤️
"THAT IS BLASTPHIMOUS"
my favorite quote ever
Its obvious that without Steph, or Durant in the league. Lebron would have surpassed Jordans and Kobe in rings. So yes Durant's presence and Steph's does derailed Lebron's legacy of RINGS.
jgyrwa honestly, more steph than anything. KD doesn’t really change much imo. It’s steph that is the biggest challenge
jgyrwa I agree . Golden state now in general and I'm happy . Lebron chokes too much to be better than MJ . He's not as sensational as MJ and Lebron was blessed and bread to beat MJ since day 1
I remember when he got his huge contract right out of high school , the system wanted him to surpass MJ so I thank Golden State bc Lebron couldn't deliver .
Jordan would have more rings if he didn't retire and even more if the Celtics and Pistons and Lakers weren't so good during his early years......he'd have like 10 rings if he played 20 seasons, Kobe also would have more than 5 if it wasn't for injuries late and if he had better team mates right after shaq left. Lebron will match Kobe with 5 I think, it's going to be hard for him to match 6 and damn near impossible to get 7 now.
B. Reezy he’s hasn’t choked since 2011........ I don’t understand when people say that averages a triple double but he choked
johnny wells game 3 was a choke
MJ is the GOAT, period. All of this stat talk in nonsense. GTFO! MJ averaged 35+ppg one season when the league had dominant big men clogging up the lanes you clowns. They were hand checking, shit talking, fighting, etc. and the defense was so intense you were lucky to see a finals game where both teams scored over 85 pts. His footwork was better, FT% in clutch situations was better, clutch shots in playoff games, 1v1 pure scoring was better, coaching on the floor was better, 1v1 defense was better, and he had a mindset that was so insane he would rather die than lose a single game. MJ's team mates fear him. Lebron is a phenomenal player, but better than MJ? I don't think so.
James Harden is thr GOAT noob lmai
Now everybody wants to wake up. He is not better than jordan
Gerald McWilliams Jordan didn't have to face a team full of All-Stars and 2 former MVPs at the same time
@Rico Sebastiani You forget that Jordan had to play the 80s Celtics AND Bad Boy Pistons in b2b postseasons?
A.J Mulenga did that team have 4 All-Stars and 2 former MVPs and the 2 highest scorers from the previous season and the 2 best shooters in the history of the league? also that was in the 80s before the dynasty
@Rico Sebastiani Lmao you just exposed yourself as a casual. Boston won 3/5 chips in 80s and swept Jordan and the Bulls during the ‘85 and ‘86 seasons you fool. That Celtics team had one of the greatest front courts of all time too ( Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and Robert Parish). All that sounds like a dynasty by today’s standards. And the Pistons literally beat up on Jordan every time he touched the ball and were the only team that stopped him from getting to the finals 3 years in a row. So you still tryna tell me Jordan didn’t play some of the greatest teams ever?
A.J Mulenga yeah but that was in his younger days when Jordan didn’t have no teammates either... Lebron is dealing with this during his prime years
Max - 6 times 5 is 30
Will cain - 5 times 6 is 30
Stephen a smith- heres why u are wrong 5 times 5 is 25 .
Single-Handedly, wtf is this dude talking about, he has 3 more all-stars and one of them is the best shooter in the world right now, and all I see in this show is Stephen A. Smith talking like it is, the dude on the right worships LeBron and the dude in the middle is in love with KD
I'm telling you this new guy is the next Skip Bayless
Ahmed Jawad Rashid nah that award would go to Colin cowherd.
Ahmed Jawad Rashid no, he's way more knowledgeable than skip
Ahmed Jawad Rashid I HATE HIM
Will Cain was right two ways
lebron is ruining lebron's legacy
It DID NOT TAKE KD to go to the GSW to beat the CAVS!!! GSW damn near swept the CAVS that year and would’ve won 4-1! I’m so sick of people acting as if it didn’t take the perfect storm cloud to float over the GSW in order LeBron to get that Chip! Ask yourselves, did LeBron beat a healthy GSW team in the finals that year? There you have it, NO!
If gsw lost because of x y and z then why did you beg KD to join GSW
Yeah single Handedly alright , I forgot about Curry , Klay & Draymomd. But they have nothing to do with that.
LeBron gave up
lebron is the reason they have jobs, he retires this show retires!
Jonathon Carranza na they'd still have the Cowboys 😂
Will Cain has many points! KD BIG TIME
I wouldn’t say ‘singlehandedly’. He does have 3 other all stars on his team
Lebron losing to kd won't really damage his legacy cuz he's playing a better team. The times he lost in miami ruined his legacy because most of the time he was the favorite and he couldn't close the deal.
Uhh, he split his finals appearances while in Miami. Also his team was favorite twice including the Mavs loss so that means he also won when he was the underdog. Your entire statement in false
adu11 he was def favoured every time he was in the finals the okc was probably only time it was even close
He def wasn't. Miami wasn't favored against the spurs in his last finals
Stephen A's passion is infectious. I can see Max being more expressive with his own love of the game.
Although when Stephen A agrees with Max from the outset, you know Max' argument was bulletproof.
I been said Lebron has NO finesse.......he charges to the rim every time. I rather see finesse mixed with athleticism.
Rick Ruler No finesse and still great, so stop it.
Jay Money but when it’s time to close he doesn’t have a real go to move . He closes against the weaker conference . But against the highest level of competition he doesn’t close
@@Superfly369 I definitely agree.
@@Superfly369 What are u talking about so now the West is trash when Lebron goes to the west 🤦♂️
King James did I say that ?
Irony for LeBron is got to be so crushing at this point you went to Miami to build a team that would crush all other teams and went back to Cleveland only to find out that golden state was putting together a team that is more dominant than any other team has been at the last 10 years
Kg paul pierce and ray Allen started that championship hopping shit
MJ never played a team with 2 MVPs and 4 all stars and if he did, he'd get swept too because he's just one man. So if Lebron can't overcome this obstacle it doesn't take him out the GOAT conversation because the GOAT himself has never had an obstacle as tough as this one. When MJ went to the finals he never was the underdog. Lebron has been the underdog 6 times out of his 8 finals appearances. When MJ went to the finals he was supposed to win and expected to win. Lebron isn't supposed to win this series against 2 MVPs and 4 all stars. That's why I give Lebron a pass for all his finals losses. He did all he could and played great in every series he lost except the one vs Dallas.
Hes not undrrdog becuz hes just that great in regular season and playoffs lol.. u just degrading mj for his accomplishment.... Then i can say that lebron has an easy way to finals than jordan did in their career lol...
And dont give a free pass to lebrons loses if u never give pass to jordans domination and greatness to his era. And btw ur god lebron is #3-5 lol so cry more and pray that lebron will join gsw lmao.. and ps lebron lose to 2011 dalls with old dirk lmao i guess u will just give him a free pass haha
Ran Holic
You're an idiot
lebron lost to dallas and the spurs and has lost 5 finals. Mj beat the malone stockton duo and never lost a single finals. Not even comparable
TooN hey youre an idiot too lmaoo... #3-5GOAT
Ran Holic
You do realize that Finals record isn't anything more than that right? LeBron is only responsible for one of his Finals losses and that's the one against Dallas. He didn't show up that year. But if you look at all his Final's stats, he's over performed in every series besides that one. The only reason he didn't win was because he played against a better team, or his teammates were a no show. How can u blame his loss in 2015 on him? He brought that series to 6 games by himself. How can u blame his most recent loss on him? He averaged a triple double against a super team. How can u blame the first loss against the Spurs on him? The only other people on his team averaging over 10 pts that season were Mo Williams and Daniel Gibson. And then the other loss against the Spurs D Wade just went cold until game 4 and by that time it was too late. They were already down 2-1 and the Spurs were playing at home the next game. LeBron is the GOAT. MJ is only 6-0 in the finals because he always had the better team. He was never the underdog, unlike LeBron. The Jazz were good competition but everybody bet on the Bulls. All of LeBron's stats are better besides pts and that's only a 2 pt difference. I'm talking about the playoffs as well.
Durant ruined the Legacy again with a Sweep 4-0
Lol that title.. single handedly?? Really? With warriors?? Haha
Lebron can never be compared to MJ for a thousand reasons. Running away to Miami let alone the amount of losses in the finals
and thats why ur comment has 4 likes
Rafael Mourinha It’s true though.
Rafael Mourinha people don't like hearing the truth
Is moving back to Cleveland a bad thing I think it was better. Look at Cleveland land there one of the best teams in the league right now
Rafael Mourinha Jerry Rice best athlete don't be stupid. LeBron isn't even the best in stats. Jerry rice absolutely destroys the next runner up to him In stats . Typical LeBron fan just running his mouth looking dumb.
see. they can make excuses for LeBron against the finals loses to spurs and warriors. but that wouldn't fly In jordan era. he beat the utah jazz in finals while playing with the flu. when his teammates were tired and outplayed by Stockton and Malone. he took control and singlehandedly carried the team on his back the same way curry did before the whole team and bench became stars. LeBron always has excuses and excuses made for him by others whenever he loses. LeBron doesn't carry a team on his back to win. if the team don't play well he will just statpack and give up
Nate Jewels thank you somebody finally said it he's a stat stuffer that's all he care about cuz he know he can't win a championships like mj.... like I tell LeBron James fans when they bring up him losing to the Spurs early in his career if you're good enough to make it to the finals you good enough to Win It no excuses unless you're hurt and you can't play
Nate Jewels agreed
He's very similar to how Shaq played when he was in LA. He was so concerned with his numbers, he wasn't aware of how his play affected his teammates
Exactly stuffing his stata
If MJ in his prime replaced LeBron in that series, the results would have been the same.
3 for 8 in finals appearances straight garbage get outta here being 2nd best all time smdh
Would it be better if he just didn't make the finals the other 5 times and was a perfect 3 for 3? Kareem is obviously the second best player ever, but Lebron has a STRONG case for number 3
ben1ben2ben1 I really think yeah strong case for number 3 but I'd go
MJ
Kareem
Magic or LeBron I feel like we talk about LeBron so much like he was the first 6'8-6'9 Floor general but Magic was doing that 20 so years before him and I feel you could go either or but no way he's over MJ or Kareem and Magic LeBron Wilt Bill Russell and Bird and Kobe all have strong arguments for that no.3 spot
I see no argument for Kobe at #3 TBH
Kobe not a top 5.
Andrew Powell
Should be 2-7 (thanks Ray Allen)
Or... Take that Miami bitch move ring chasing away & he is 1-4 ...very close to 0-5 (Thanks, Adam Silver).
Lmao you can tell between Will and Max that they fighting for that spot on First Take next year, niggas on that KD vs Lebron rivalry
Julian Pottenger will is a dumbass
stephen a smith would make a good preecher
KD time is now. LB's time has pasted. it's no big deal as they both will go down as great and successful players. People this is basketball, where not saving lives here. Basketball will not get you into heaven. People don't put to much into it. There getting there's regardless.
icecreaman2010 KD wont have a time. Bron is better rn and soon Giannis will surpass KD
icecreaman2010( Pasted)😂😂😂
Josh LMFAAOOO OH SHIT earlier in another comment I said when Lebron leaves then Kevin Durant time will come but I forgot all about Giannis
LMAO he just had a triple double against the best team in the league.... You don't know shit
As long as Giannis is in Milwaukee he will never have a time.
Since back with the OKC , KD has proven to be the BEST in the NBA , And that means above LeBroom
zyl zyl this man was never better then Lebron
So I guess Max thinks Jordan could have won the Finals last year if was on the Cavs without LeBron?... Lol
Lmao yall talking bout bron and KD yall forgot about Kobe ?
Adrian Rodriguez Is that the guy that takes 1000 shots a game and gets 30?
Gabby Lane Lol you are pretty much described Russel Westbrook and he just won MVP if they dont take the shots who will ? Those role players cant handle shooting alot like Kobe
Adrian Rodriguez dude was a shooting guard. Yeah he’s gonna shoot but homie sometimes went overboard with all the shooting.
Kobe isnt even the best laker
We forgot about him when he retired, move on.
When you can go undefeated in the finals... Come let me know.. Jordan is the best
Actually GSW and KEVIN DURANT needed each other to beat LEBRON JAMES. He had proven he could beat them both. And so they had to join forces.
Lebron is still the best player in the league, KD can’t compare on how he impacts a team. Also, Jordan wouldn’t have beat these warriors lmao
LeBron wouldn't beat the Celtics or the Pistons lmao
Dude must be drinking. Lebron averaged a 30pt triple double in the finals. To say he didn't get his in these playoffs is absolutely absurd. I like Stephen A. but he's tripping here. The Warriors had more ammo/weapons this year plain and simple. They were a lock for the finals before KD joined them. With him added to that team was just the nail in the coffin. Too many great consistent perimeter shooters. The cavs have streaky shooters (JR Smith and Kyle Korver). We need to get some more fire power to battle this stacked warriors team. Another consistent scoring threat that can create his own plays and the series could have been different.
The stats was during garbage time once the game was already decided.
The cavs already have fire power. They just need to utilize it better.
ShinAkakage his stats came In when the game was already decided lol
Michael Jordan was on a super team too
Thank you Stephen A Smith for putting everything in check
Thank you KD
Funny how nobody mentions these finals anymore😂😂😂. They only mention 2015 for curry and 2016 for the comeback.
KD is a LEGEND.
Ian Wilson how the fuck?🤔🤔🤔
Legendary trash lol
PUSSY* can’t win without joining the hype train
Lmao no he is not.
Legends are competitors, KD is nothing close to that and he knows it.
Ian Wilson lol
that is BLASPHOEMUEES
" single-handedly?" That's an insult to the Golden State Warriors. They owned KD in the playoffs. He just joined them
KOBE> LEBRON
NO ONE who is not bias actually thinks that
Jennifer Miller please stop
kobe > le3-6mafia
truth
never got swept in finals twice...81 points...9 time FIRST team DEFENSE...5 time champ
i wouldnt be surprised if the cavs win in 7
Aaron Rampersad yes you would
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stephen a smith has turned into skip bayless
I can give 100 reason why lebum is wack in last 3 minutes of big games
Can you give them to me so I can add them into my arguments
I don't understand why Lebron haven't been posting up in this series. It's not like Durant can't be back down. Or even Iggy. Maybe Lebron scared he would miss his fadeaway shots
Chris56076 Durant is too long
He doesn't have a reliable post up game. Really it's that simple.
Allan Goco don't know why no one has mentioned that. Yes, the man is huge and heavy, but that doesn't automatically make him a threat in the post. His post up game is pretty nonexistent. Just a little drop step or contested post fade here and there.
Single handed with Steph Klay Drammond
That is blasphemous!
yall all got something to say bout kd but like ma dukes said...First of all its a job a career.. if u had the chance to move up in your job and work with the best in your career field would you stay complacent and stay on the lower level or move up and play with the big boys.. ill wait.. thats why yall got something to say cause if yall moved up with the big leagues at your job u wouldn't even have time to be on here..
the truth yo imma couple months late but preach. For us its fandom... for these guys its a job.
the truth that is a bunch of bullshit her son is a fuckin snake he hopped on da bandwagon fuck dat job shit he just pussy asf
Single handed wouldnt take going to a 73-8 team...
Stephen a Smith is turning into skip bayless..
As great as Michael Jordan? You must be smoking pot! Lebron is not even in the first 5 greatest players.
Juan Almeida he’s better
@Nathaniel's Phone couldn't agree with you more ny friend
Juan Almeida are you smoking LeBron James is a top 5 player all time are you dumb
Dumb? You must be talking about yourself. Lebron is not even close! Lebron is atrocious. Definitely not in the top 10.
No way! It's MJ, Kareem, Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain and Kobe Bryant.
He was the guy who created super teams?
The Big 3 in Boston beg to differ....
kd is my favourite after Paul pierce.. forever
but after Paul Pierce though....fuck p-squared (that's his nickname before Shaq gave him the nickname The Truth)
KD is a snake. I can't respect a man that joins his competition and best team in the NBA just so he can win titles. Worst move I've ever seen.
@intelligent investor so you rather he stay a loser in okc? LMAO
YT_Tymadman999 I would’ve been fine with him going to any other team than the warriors. He made a bitch move. True snake. Nobody does that. And he literally ruined the nba. If u are fine with that then I can’t respect you either. Btw they were 48-34 without him this year so it’s not like they are trash
@intelligent investor
1- he did not ruin the nba. there are plenty of superteams in the nba
Warriors Twolves Rockets Cleveland Spurs(technically) 76ers Celtics.
2- Thunder were ass and proved how overrated Westbrick and Melo are. three superstars couldnt beat JAZZ LMMAO
3-idc
Lebron ruined his own legacy by not doing like Jordan and kicking bums off his team.... Phil made the Bulls, LeBron made the Cavs.... LeBron still better than Durant because Lebron beat the Warriors.... Durant couldn't, he had to join them😋😋😋
Malik Fortune a loss is a loss and look what LeBron did with Delavadova and Mozgov .... and a 3 to 1 lead compared to a 1 to 3 deficit.... hmmm?🤔
Malik Fortune what? Warriors had the same roster in 2015 that they had in their 73-9 season. Warriors were still a 60+ win team lol
Supa Rio85 lebron how bout irving beat the warriors u jerk
GREAT POINT!!!
“Single handedly” HE JOINED THE WARRIORS BECAUSE HE CANT WIN SINGLE HANDEDLY 😂😂😂
3-6 in finals smh
nah... skill wise, LBJ is better than MJ TBH... but when the game matters abd the game is on the line, MJ just turns into a Basketball God that no 1 can ever duplicate.. That's why he is the GOAT..
i agree with you 75 percent but arguably MJ is better skill wise, LeBron to me is the better player because hes shown that he can rival mjs skills but also be that floor general like a cp3 or a stockton. But there is a reason why Mjs the goat ahaha and this is coming from a LeBron fan who i think is the second greatest of all time
Rolando Fortson Are you high? Micheal is WAYYYY more talented than Lehelp. LeBron users his body to score while Kobe and MJ shoot crazy fadeaways off the dribble and they both clutch as hell. And LeBron 3-5 finals lol
ok ok,, my bad,, what i really mean was LBJ is just bigger and probably faster and stronger but not tougher mentally and physically.. LeBron has never played through an injury and never had serious injuries coz he often played it safe...
What the fuck? Lebron has some PHYSICAL gifts on Jordan, but Jordan is the most skilled player ever. Even physically, Jordan was faster, could jump higher and was more explosive. Lebron is bigger stronger which is impressive given how fast he also is
Stavros Rossos Lebron choking all the time is kinda a huge myth. He is not Jordan, but he has some of the greatest finals numbers ever and elimination games. He also has made only ONE less game winning or tying shot then Jordan in the playoffs
He "single handedly" joined the greatest team of all time in order to get a ring. He couldn't touch LeBron when he was in OKC....... And LeBron outplayed him in the series.
Kd has singlehandedly destroyed his own legacy. He can't touch LeBron
KD has it so much easier with all the help from Curry, THompson, others. He could "not beat them so join them' is the ultimate wimp move I ever saw to me not the greatest player.
Atleast thunders didn't get swept...with out durant cavs would of won last 3 finals...
*yawn
Andre Dennis no lebron join wade n the shitty heat n then bosh joined they both joined the same year n the rest of that team was garbage then ray allen joined a old ray allem that only came in for like 20mins a game the team he joined was garbage it wasnt nothing like the warriors teams so stp the bullshit
Pj Brien A free agent can join whatever team he wants to join. No player has to satisfy or get permission from fans before joining a team. Do u really think that KD gives a fuck what u think? Most of the KD haters are Lebron worshippers and would have absolutely nothing to say if KD had gone to Cleveland. Lebron left Cleveland and went to Miami. That's what players do. Get over it.
Smh stop making excuse
So apparently single-handedly means "as long as you have 3 other hall of famers (at least very good all-stars) on your team too" now?
The Cavs have had not one, not two, not three, but FOUR #1 picks. Meanwhile the warriors haven't had a single one. He handpicks all-stars to play with yet still complains every damn year. No player in the history of the NBA has had more help than he has and done less (and complained the most). He can't even stay on top of Boston and Toronto. The Superstars he does play with? Their performance plummets while his own stats get padded. Or they decide they don't want to play with him anymore and ask to be traded. Now after playing GM again for the Cavs and destroying the team he'll be out of there faster than their finals exit. Overrated. Goat my a$$.
jaliu exactly. Preach
Let's see hmmm mj did not have to go to another team to win championship rings and trophy he stuck it out. Cry baby l.j. had to leave his home state to win championships not a good thing in my book
poohead Your name speaks for itself... 💩💩💩💩💩💩
poohead EXACTLY
1 year the cavs also had the 2nd and 10th pick