Battlestar Galactica | Gaeta Uncovers The Baltar's Conspiracy
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Gaeta thinks Saul Tigh is involved in a conspiracy to rig the election in Baltar's favour.
From Season 2 Episode 20 'Lay Down Your Burdens: Part 2’, The group on Caprica is under fire by the Cylons, but suddenly they stop. With only one ship's votes to be counted, Roslin is way behind in the elections.
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Because of the ending of Geatas arc, I always forget that he was actually one of the most honourable people in the fleet. Even his eventual betrayal was somewhat justified from his point of view.
From HIS point of view. The problem with Gaeta is that, while his intentions were good, he tended to ultimately make things worse. Honestly, Gaeta was bitterly regretting his choice well before the Cylons even showed up.
"You are not the man we agreed to follow" is what I think he said to Adama.
Adama changed, and Geata did not, as far as Geata is concerned Adama broke away from him, the ship and the fleet.
From his point of view
@@turtlesploodgegaming3123 From his point of view the Jedi are evil!
IT'S OVER GEATA I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!
"Laura Roslin is many things, but she's not corrupt, she's not dishonest."
Love this line from Baltar. In this moment, and in fact I think in many others throughout the series, he is the better man.
In one episode, Roslin tells Lee Adama that it is sometimes better to do the "smart thing" instead of the "right thing". That is the type of corruption that typified many bosses and supervisors that I had over the years.
@@andrewelie8687 Well, when it's a matter of life and death, sometimes hard choices need to be made. Idealism and morality are things that have associated costs depending on the circumstances, and sometimes, the cost is just too great. An example of Roslin doing the smart thing, not the right thing, was abandoning the non-FTL civilian ships in the beginning of the show. The right thing to do would be to attempt to evacuate as many people as possible. The smart thing was to jump away before Cylon forces could arrive, but dooming thousands to an explosive death in space, or worse, to be experimented on by the Cylons. Perhaps they could've evacuated those people before the arrival of Cylon forces, but the risk that a basestar would jump into the middle of their formation with their pants down was just too great.
@@andrewelie8687 That is why they're your boss and supervisor, because you see it as corruption only as far as you can't see a bigger picture than what's in front of you or what effects today.
"Baltar" and "better man" don't mix.
@@CrispyChristieMAC There are a lot of corpses in the ground because of "bigger pictures". (Not just war and Famine. Bosses tend to think they know better than this pesky restrictions on health and safety/Taxes/economics)
Its a good thing they have all those space trees to harvest for their never ending supply of paper.
essanance they had a botanical cruiser
Z J you could take a few glimpses in the pilot movie, there was a similar botanical cruiser, which was destroyed because it didnt have a FTL drive. However, the cruiser in the fleet was the same model
Z J ... it was shown a couple of times. They filmed at Vancouver’s Bloedel Floral Conservatory at the Queen Elizabeth Park.
As far as i remember they referenced in one episode that they recycled not important documents.
If not then its fair to assume it. Its not that hard a process. Basically all you need is water in a giant pot, used paper, forms with a lot of Small holes in the bottom to let water escape and you have everything you need.
But Galactica as seen in the Pilot relied on paper for pretty much everything anyway even before the attack. And since Battlestars are supposed to be able to operate independantly for years they would have a huge amount in storage.
A little sand, and some sugarcane goes a long way. Sadly they didn't have any Redstone, or they would've made a map, and solved so many of their issues finding earth
What I loved about this and the only thing I loved about this whole sequence is despite he HATES Baltar as much as Saul Tigh; Adama immediately kills this the moment he finds out and even goes to Baltar and tell him as much of the truth as he feels is necessary to make things right. Even though it leads to disaster, he did the right thing Lawful good to the end
To be fair, it only led to disaster because Cloud Nine was blown up and while that was his fault, the only reason why he was elected was because *everyone* was tired of running. It was a bad decision, but only because it didn't work out. At the time everyone wanted to find a permeant home, even if it wasn't perfect.
Oh for f**k sakes. Lawful good versus all the s**t that happens on New Caprica. Uh ... yeah sorry no.
Right? By all means Tigh Duvala Foster and the two crew members that aid should be sent to prison.
@@Neumonics429 actually I would still argue it was a bad decision because calling New Caprica habitable is a stretch. Looked like if the Cylons didn't find them they would have starved to death on land that didn't look arriable and was too cold.
I always thought Baltaars reaction to loosing was interesting - he's almost glad it's all over and in some ways releaved to have lost.
Being President was pretty hellish.
You didn't watch the video or the show: The description is wrong--it was a conspiracy AGAINST Baltar, but he won.
Delete your comment.
Gaius was always fighting his destiny. He got placed in that position but he didn't necessarily want it.
@@TommygunNG I did and I know - but his reaction to the false result was relief.
Delete your face.
Oh, completely. Didn't anyone notice what an utter coward he was, constantly running away from all responsibility? Hey, this wasn't _that_ long ago. He's an introvert. Being president would have made him miserable.
Love how Saul went from dispising Roslin in the first seeason to conspiring with Tory & Dualla get get her re-elected in the second.
Well he might not have seen eye to eye with Roslin. But he would much rather have her in charge than Baltar.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Part of what made this show so great, the constant shifting alliances, none of it arbitrary but all earned by events in the show. People discover that those they dispised aren't so bad after all, or are disappointed by their former friends. This is one of many examples throughout the show.
Politics makes for strange bedfellows
Better than Gaius FRAKING Baltar
Seeing such interest and focus on these seemingly 'boring' processes like the election reporting is one of the most immersive things ive seen in BSG. Their attention to making things feel realistic is commendable and great that they didnt make it grandiose and fantastical like some films do by dumbing it down. Really love this stuff!
Meanwhile Star Wars leaned so heavily into the realism of trade negotiations that it made people hate an entire film 😂
@@safebox36 to be fair I loved that so much 😂😅
“Fast and Straight, I’d advise.” Going have to use that one next time my wife calls.
Permission for me to use it too?
@@enthouendhut Granted. ;)
Huge thanks...
>next time my wife calls.
Fraking show off.
At 1:28 the "radio" Adama is listening to is the central control unit component of the VIC-1 intercom system used in US military HMMWVs and other vehicles in the 1980s and into the 1990s.
I love the stealth joke in this. The genius is how they don't explain what the misspelling was exactly. Juvenile, but brilliant.
Gayus Baltar?
"I've seen a lot of elections, Gaius. Most honest, a few fixed, and you can always tell the fixed ones because they don't make sense. And this doesn't make sense."
Tom Zarek was an interesting character. He was a self-interested charlatan, but had many valid and keen insights like this one, which has been particularly relevant recently.
Sounds like the 2020 elections. History repeats itself
@@ezragoldberg3132 What didn't make sense in the 2020 elections is how close it was, given Trump's bungling of the COVID pandemic.
@@sumanadasawijayapala5372 And Biden performing 15+% above the exit polls, that's not weird to you at all? The U.N usually sees that as Voter fraud/Voter manipulation. Maybe it was enough to have the Media oligopoly on one side?
@@ezragoldberg3132 The same thing happened in the Democratic primaries, where people claimed to support Bernie in the exit polls but secretly voted for Biden. It's not uncommon for people to be too embarrassed to tell pollsters that they support Trump. That's been the case for the past 5 years.
@@sumanadasawijayapala5372 That's in the margin, anything above 8-10% is fishy, U.N standard. But of course, these Billionaires dumping literal Billions into the campaign will of course have an effect, just ask Zuckerberg.
I love 0:53 that master lock being taken off the ballot box.
I’m not sure I would have said anything. Getting caught in the middle between grown ups is never a good thing. And there are a lot of airlocks on that ship if you get my meaning...
There a lot of airlocks but it only takes one string....
One of the more skin crawling moments from the series.
This was grotesque. And to see Baltar believe in Rosalins integrity... what the frak.
Dave Marx ... it was a wake up call in many ways. Baltar certainly never expected that but would know all along he had no right being president as he wasn’t qualified. He seemed relieved that he thought he lost. Kinda of a foreshadowing of 2016 in some ways!
Roslin wasn't involved - Adama told her and then she conceded to Baltar
@@sdsd2e2321 she was, she may not have known the details but she knew Tory was doing something and admits as much to Adama
The Colonials who voted for Baltar got what they deserved when the Cylons invaded New Caprica.
I love how they took a job and did it to their fullest ability.
One of my favorite episodes. I love the drum roll in the background.
"You can always tell the fake ones because they don't make sense."
Interesting, that.
Gaius "fraking" Baltar cannot become President of the Twelve Colonies!
Edward Seifert she sounds like killary.
Apparently, Gaius "Frakking" Baltar agrees with you . . . .
Or Tulsi Gabbard; she's still on the ticket btw . . . .
Dualla was such an incredible beauty.
AND she was great at headshots too!
@@idunbeezasmart1 boo
Yes she is!
So much detail in this scene. Look at the numbers on the Gemenon Traveller
DAVID KAYE!! Aka MEGATRON from Beast Wars/Machines, Transformers Unicron Trilogy and Optimus Prime in Transformers Animated. He's is a reporter in this? I keep forgetting about that!!
[Reaper2004] REALLY!!!! 😲
Gaeta still had good, moral character at this point. The occupation changed him.
I’m willing to be it wasnt the occupation that changed him, it was the circle nearly lynching him after the escape that changed him.
@@thesparduck117 That, this, getting his leg shot off... him being moral, plus _no one around him_ living up to same. I don't know how much was planned in advance, but he's the series' sad sack, along with Dualla. They do things that help the entire Fleet. & they not only never get acknowledged, they & their contributions get totally ignored.
Yeah, it was a character flaw much like helo was too good for his own good.
The circle and leg was definitely a factor but the biggest factor was zarek. The manipulation from zarek was surgical. I mean this is the moment that led to new caprica. He was probably thinking that right before they shot him.
I felt like the writers gave a lot of secondary characters a raw deal. I get, no one is safe but dang, it was always one step forward and a 100 steps back.
@@munkykng416, There were many factors, but I think that Dee's suicide sent him over the edge.
The drum solo is iconic.
Tigh was just fortifying the election.
Despite ostensibly being a show about space terminators, it's actually consistently extremely topical.
That was kind of the point RD Moore was trying to make, hence why it echoes the politics of Post-911 and George W Bush era. He explains more of that in commentary tracks and his podcast during the time.
I'd like to see a spin off or something. There were a couple attempts like Caprica and Blood and Chrome but nothing took off.
Troy Roberts-Missouri ... I think they tried too soon to do things. I think in one of the commentaries RDM said they fought to get two more seasons but scifi wouldn’t commit to more than one, so they all ended up agreeing to it because RDM didn’t want to be left hanging and rightly so - too many great shows have seen the plug pulled without proper resolution so kudos for him securing his writing team the chance to end things per their vision, on their own terms. They should have left people wanting more - maybe a few years in between would have helped.
Apparently you're about to get your wish.
Makes you wonder how many times in real life this has happened, only no one got caught.
I dunno... In strong democratic countries there are lists of inhabitants, lots of paperwork, civilians who act as witnesses (who are invited from all different parties) during the voting and counting, very strong measures because voting is a basic democratic right to every one - at least from what I've seen here in Austria for example. Probably not much different in other European countries. There was a re-vote in the last presidential election just because a handful of towns started counting the ballots at the wrong time or something.
There are a lot of possibilities to check such results. People working in statistics and big data analysis can look for certain mathematical patterns etc. it's quite interesting.
What I'm trying to say is, that rigged elections are not as hard to uncover than you might think.
@@fifaisscripted LOL
2020 comes to mind.........
Yeah about that...
The ballot box sealing label has a typographical error on it. It's spelled as "colonila" when it should be "colonial".
In Gaeta's place, I wouldn't have seen nuttin'.
Lee T. Walker .... I can see that 😂 .... but he’s really a good guy at heart. I’d have been tempted to look the other way but no matter how much you may dislike the other guy running a democracy cannot work if it’s elections aren’t run properly and honestly, with as many safeguards and checks as possible.
His decision to do what he did here is what made me so sad for him when he made the decision to support mutiny at the end but he redeemed himself a bit when he realized he was wrong and that nothing could be done to stay on that course. When he did that he found some kind of solace, as his itch had gone.
@@steveleeart "Democracy is the road to socialism." -- Karl Marx
@@badnoodlez And look where it got the Colonial remnants.
Two of the final 5 in on keeping a Cylon sympathizer out of the top human office. 😁
Is it possible that the person on the Zephyr just didn't know how to spell Gaius name correctly and the ballot was correct all along?
Apparently no one looked at baltar's application to run for president using his legal name, until the last minute.
Richard Hatch , who took 20 plus years of his life getting BSG back on the air
Even though he was well within his right I'm so glad he didn't end up hating so much what they did with the revival
So if you look at the voting board, shows Galactica has 1,445 people on board, or at least 1,445 voting. Thought you needed closer to 1,800 to crew Galactica and around 2,100 to operate effeciently.
Also Demetrius is literally evenly split down to the number of 265. Wonder if they purposefully split themselves that evenly or not.
You make due with what you have.
Underage not allowed to vote is one reason on civilian ships
Galactica had 2,100 personnel in wartime. But that was also with triple the compliment of vipers on board. The series starts in peacetime, there’s no way she’d have or need that many enlisted personnel on board
What name do you think they printed instead of Gaius?
Gaia S. Bolter, because he...
--found Earth
--Bolted from Caprica
--and we all know he's full of Sh*t
Gayass Baltar
Well, probably not if they voted for him lmao.
Gaius Baltarstar.
Guyus Boltar
What's the name of the music playing ?
It's so ironic that Zarek was the one calling out political corruption. Granted the intentions for the fix were noble but still by the letter of the law it was wrong and in many ways, made Roslin no better than Zarek.. It was stuff like this that made this show one of the greatest ever made.
Flying around in the galaxy and wearing ties and using paper ballots??? Haha.
That music score though…
I think its a little too early to reboot this series.
I am sure he regretted that decision....
Where in the world do they get all the paper for the ballots?
They got that stuff locked in storage for a rainy day lol
From the ship's replicators
There was no Colonial Electoral College, at least. That would have been the worst.
The title and description are wrong
Let's vote on who had the December 14 reupload taken down: a crybaby from RUclips or NBC?
Gaeta Uncovers Baltar's Conspiracy ? Is that title ironic or moronic ? Conspiracy was to get Roslin elected.
Rosalin won by 4 suitcases...
I don't think this video is correctly titled.
Wait no electoral votes?! How can you can a presidential election without electoral votes?
Lmao
The electoral college was created to prevent Baltar from becoming president.
It takes all night to count an election from a population of about 40K (not electorate, population) lol. I guess you only have 4 counters and it’s a popular vote of everyone, no fleet electoral college...
All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.
He should've airlocked Gaeta now instead of later.
This hits hard after 2016
Triple corndog waahhh...
This is how democracy works. Except for the "uncovers" part - this usually doesn't happen...
oh nah the uncovered part happened here to. They just refuse to listen to the evidence and toss out the cases based on "standing" or because there's rioting happening outside.. Kinda like this. Guy uncovers it calls his superiors and "poof" it never happened lol
Mandatory RUclips Election Disclaimer:
"The Electoral College has confirmed Laura Roslin as president-elect.
States certify results after ensuring ballots are properly counted and correcting irregularities and errors. Learn more"
Omg I love it 😂😂😂
But there is no idiotic institution like the Electoral College in the BSG universe. The humans there are more evolved than we are.
wow this title and description were so off, this is the only scummy conspiracy that was against Baltar
The very end of the show I thought stunk
They should have colonist the other earth
Stupid ending
I can't beleive Roslin got 81 million votes!
Who is here after and still happening with 2020 election?
yup
*Roslin's* favor. The synopsis is wrong.
No Russian hackers here to fix things🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
can you please upload Adama vs Cain ?
Do you mean this? ruclips.net/video/5XysLvdc4sI/видео.html
To be so advanced, yet listen to a 1980’s looking portable AM/FM radio was strange to me. Though, I understand, this show was about the saga and not a Star Trek Technology based show.
Wasn't the Galactica purposely made with "less advanced technologies" to be able to withstand any cylon informatic attack?
Not Baltar but Roslin.
Sudden massive unrealistic swings in the middle of the night, who’d ever believe it. 😂
Show me some result numbers that don't make sense in the recent election.
@@DK-zy5fm but that's not data, that's a prediction based on correlation that has always had exceptions. Not a single bellwether state has a 100% accurate pick rate. Now how many times of those 17 states has a candidate lost with 15 or 14 of those states in their control?
Perish the thought.
And if you stab a traitor in the back - are you a traitor?
No. You are relieving the traitor of duty.
Land line telephones on space ships, I wonder if they had to call an operator first to make a call?
the conn is still a typical handset now.
It was by design. Watch the 2003 mini series it explains it.
hard lines are often better than radio transmitters. it's near impossible to jam a transmission going inside wire :) this is used in real life military as well, in several applications.
Land lines are much harder to hack and data transmission is faster.
very advanced technology and still no online voting.
Galactica is intentionally old tech. It's what saved her from the initial Cylon onslaught.
Online voting can be either secure, or secret, it can't be both, hence it's a terrible idea.
Wouldnt the people from those ships known who they voted for???
They would know who they as individuals voted for, but not who the rest of their ship voted for.
9:02 You can always tell the fix because it doesn't make sense. This reminds me of a recent National Election in a major World Power..
made perfect sense if you aren't in an echo chamber. he had his day in court and could not prove fraud.
@@originalsinquirls1205 actually you don't follow the news. Investigators are now finding and charging people around the country for voter fraud. The courts are not always right, whether you are liberal or conservative we all know their is corruption a d undue influence on the courts even in America. Echo chambers are everywhere, bet you didn't know about the voter fraud just now being revealed. Like they say now days, the difference between conspiracy theory and fact in about 6 months.
That one made sense, though. When one candidate openly despises vote-by-post system and the second one promotes is for health safety benefits, it makes much more sense that most votes coming by post will come for the second candidate as the first one will get his voters to vote in person.
Then when counting votes, you count first votes from in-person voting and only then all other votes that reach you by post. Hence the (expected, btw) shift in results.
If anyone is displeased and thinks he have a ground for calling it false, he can. First candidate did. Lost in all cases. End of story.
Looks like Biden election
Where did they get the paper for the ballots? They lost everything.
They literally have a ship with forrests on it.
either from the replicators or maybe from New Caprica or Cobalt or any other habitable world they passed by.
Cheating in space too----
Trump Baltar
What's amazing is how this relates to our world this day and age.
How so?
Thought of BS:G immediatly as we're witnessing the USA trying hard to count to one hundred million :DDDD
Timeless show. It's all happened before and will happen again
Reminds me of a certain election. Allegedly, at least. Not trying to spread what might be called disinformation.
Which election?
At least they didn't have the effing Electoral College (I always like bring up the fact that Trump didn't actually win in the "na na na na I got more votes" sense)
The Electoral College exists for the sole reason that pluralities (majorities by number) don't get to choose the chief executive, and to ensure candidates aren't just polling in CA, TX, FL, and NY.
Plus the College has some discretion, some I believe refused to support Clinton for example. Many were hoping they wouldn’t support Trump. It’s like a sober second thought.
I believe the house is the place where people are elected based on population. The president and senate to ensure equality between states so no one state has more voting power than another. Small and large are equal in voice.
Without the electoral college, the liberal scum in California, new York, Illinois, would just dominate any election.
They would not have the consensus of the entire country.
Look at how many counties trump won, from sea to shining sea.
Hillary only won large urban areas.
That is not a consensus.
@@johnw5584 100% correct. The West Coast, the North East, Florida, and Illinois would basically call every presidential election without the EC. And guess which way they would vote? and I've give you another guess as to why the Dems want to eliminate the EC...
The Biden episode
Hmmm... swapping out ballot boxes..? I think this episode was written by a Democrat political tactician
No it was written by republicans and democrats mate.
Oh look! Now we know where Biden's team learned it.
What double checking votes lol?
@@thesparduck117 Vote early. Vote often.
@@jamesconkey1480 I can get behind that, but remember vote against the incumbent. Nobody needs to be in politics more than one term.
Why does this sound familiar. Oh wait Trump can't win. Baltar is Trump
Hummm Joe Biden victory??
Except that where Gaeta found evidence of election fraud, none of the country-fried Trumptards out there could do the same in 2020. Sad!
Just like the 2020 Presidential election in the USA.
How so? There was no election fraud except in the eyes of butthurt beaten Trumpists.
Wait is Biden Balter or Roslyn in this analogy?
"And this doesn't make sense.."
Hey, just like the 2020 election and Joe the Illegitimate Turnip!
And that is the way to elect Biden....
Except that where Gaeta found evidence of election fraud, none of the country-fried Trumptards out there could do the same in 2020. Sad!
Unfortunately relevant.
How was it relevant?
Why does this sound like it could have played out the exact same way in the 2020 election?
It only sounds that way to butthurt defeated Trumptards who can't accept reality and haven't given a shred of evidence that 2020 was rigged.
@@sumanadasawijayapala5372 If Trump won his numerous suits would have uncovered it.
"You can always tell the fixed ones because they don't make sense." -Trump 2016/Trump 2020
Nah. Those are fine. Trump 2024 and Trump 2028 might raise an issue, but those will be fine, too.
Its called the electoral college genius.
So you think the 2016 election was rigged to get Trump to win?
@@sumanadasawijayapala5372 No, he thinks the elections in 2020 were riggen in favor of Biden, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were.
How trump won
How Hilary tried to win
I think the only parallel you have is Trump is like Baltar, doing it to kind of build up a public persona, not expecting to win. He seemed relieved when he said Roslin wasn’t corrupt. Hillary lost yes, but I highly doubt it was because she engineered it. She lost by ignoring states and making other poor campaign choices and she lost when the fbi said they were still looking at her. But maybe if the fbi was gonna say they’re still looking at her they also should have said he was being looked at too.
You wish. 4 more years. Go find a place to cry!
@@dynestis2875 Given that Trump lost, you should be finding a place to cry instead of wasting our time and taxpayer money with bogus claims of election fraud.
How is Biden working out for ya, folks ?
Worse than we even expected.
"You get what you frakkin' deserve"
The democrats started the rigging that far back? Say it ain’t so
Predictive programming?
"I've seen a lot of elections Gaius, most honest a few fixed, and you can always tell the fixed ones because they don't make sense."
Exactly. A lot like winning 7 key battleground states by hundreds of thousands of votes and then suddenly "losing" them all by a few thousand between the hours of 3am to 5am at night. And as someone who is a political junkie and witnessed the numbers, the graphs, etc. staying up all hours of the night, I still maintain my position all of this time. Every fiber and bone in my body knows that election was a scam, regardless of what I think of Trump. It's such a shame these Democrat commenters seem to have more love for a stupid political party than their own country.
Thank you for being honest about this in the face of not being a Trump supporter.
Totally rigged. Lots of state and local elections too that day.