Unpopular opinion: Cain's death at the end of Resurrection Ship was really cheap. I would have preferred it if, for example, her crew see the fleet and resent what Cain did in Razor, so with Adama's encouragement, they airlock her.
Oh damn in the social justice World they gave Admiral Cain a sex change, any original BSG series Admiral Cain was a man the late actor Lloyd Bridges whose son is Beau Bridges and Jeff Bridges unfuckable evil Admiral Cain got his dick cut off either woman now a very good-looking woman I might add do you understand what I'm talking about go see the original OG Battlestar Galactica and see the original Admiral Cain.
Michelle Forbes was an excellent pick to play Admiral Cain, a do not mess with me commanding officer who had excellent knowledge for fighting the Cylons but was personally broken by what happened to her in "Razor". She was also very appealing & classy, same as when playing Ro Laren in Star Trek TNG.
@@HavanaSyndrome69 I also loved her in Homicide: Life on the Street. She was the one recurring character in TNG that I was always happy to see in an episode and wish she had appeared more often. One bit of trivia: Ro was supposed to be a main character in DS9, but she declined the role so Major Kira Nerys was created instead.
@Nicolas Cataldo She's in The Hunger Games: Mockingjay as well. She did well in it for her short stint. I think she'd make a better military officer than nearly the rest of District 13's personnel combined. 🙄
Roslin "...So you can go out there and fight it out with Galactica or can compromise. Those are the only two options on the table. Period." Cain: [Frak..] "Fine. Have it your way. For now." Then dies. XD.
sw gs Adama had the fleet, and he had placed missles on to many of the civ ships by this point, unless I'm remembering wrong. Adama would have kicked Cains ass, he was a very smart man.
In a way hes right. Pegasus would "Win" the battle but not without sustaining critical damage and loosing a fuckton of personell. With no shipyards to return to, cylons looking for survivors everywhere and not enough personell to rudimentarily stitch Pegasus back together thats as good as death.
1:29 As she shakes Bill's hand, She turns her hand to be above his (90 degrees counter-clockwise). That's a power move to establish dominance. Very subtle, very telling. What a show!
The thing is that Admiral Cain represents one half of what is needed in the military - cold, calculated decisions. Unfortunately, the other thing needed is compassion and to know when the line has been crossed. Cain didn't have that ability. She did what she thought needed to be done at any particular time. If you got in the way of that, she wouldn't hesitate to remove you as an obstacle. Adama, while calculated, possessed compassion. He knew when he needed to make an order that would likely result in men being killed but had the compassion to understand who those people were, even the enemy, and base that against what he needed to get done. If there was another way, even if it was a harder way, if it saved lives, he would do it. Cain stuck to the plan, always. Adama inspired confidence and respect, Cain inspired fear. People would give their lives for what Adama needed because they wanted to, those under Cain would do it because they had to for fear of the repercussions.
Micheal Rigs That very true. Honestly I think Adama knows a conscious decision while compassionate at same time Cain's not capable of from some scarring moments made her cold in the show just looking for her crew, but not the welfare of others over the line even in war. So I don't blame Cain's crew they were scared defying her out of fear I'd be in that position. Maybe it did take Adama to to end her reign of fear aboard Pegasus. Otherwise somewhere else would have to risk their life to stop her reign of fear, but most likely have to kill her in process like show. At least she saved her ship in the beginning. But the irony is Cain's ship lost when Apollo ignored orders in new caprica cost an otherwise superior battlestar other than it saved galactica. Shows you Apollo's a good man like Adama, but not good commander of Pegasus unlike Cain willing to become iron-fisted in her reign of her ship to begin with before Apollo wasted just threw it in battle on conscious choice Cain would kill for wasting her ship.
You guys are detached from reality, yes it was cruel and unfortunate, but all those people we're dead anyway, Adama made the same decision early on in the series to abandon the people still a alive so they could bring the fight to the enemy he was in the same mindset just later changed his mind, you can't protect a train of ships and remain an effective fighting force at the same time. She knew they were dead anyway so she took what she needed, by force if necessary. You wouldn't be here today without the same sort of sacrifices by others in the past. The biggest enemy of effective fighting unit is politics and bureaucracy which she wanted none of, and the Galactica wouldn't of had half the chance it did, if it wasn't for the Pegasus and its battle achievements. She was right when she said she was a flagship officer in a time of war. Why don't you take a read throughout history, shes a saint compared to any nations history, including the USA. Do you know how many US soldiers were executed by their own men through the years during war? A lot more then you would think. The military had Depos where they could get resources, but those civs would of ran out of food quick and starved to death, or do what people do when they are starving in other countries, lets look at africa. They are man made famines and because of it a human life has a negative value. The more you kill the better chance you have to eat is the mentality that takes over. Shes not stupid and making these decisions to be evil... War is not about right or wrong its about winning and losing, you put too many emotions into it you get what happened with the US war in Afghanistan, you drag your foot and the enemy gets away. Which is a huge deal when its not a war of attrition as of old, but a gorilla war where the only way to win is to take out the puppet masters, even then new ones rise up and grow back like weeds.
Interesting viewpoints here from all who commented. In a way the Pegasus crew are a type of "darker mirror version" of the Galactica. Kinda like a more "natural" version of the mirror universe in star trek in a way.
@Michael Rigs Not entirely. Cain was prone to detachment, but we saw flashbacks of her before the Cylon War and she wasn't cold--just fastidious. It was finding out her girlfriend was a Cylon who tricked her into betraying her species and civilization to extinction that broke her mind. The revenge she got on her GF by turning her into a rape puppet for the fleet acclimated her to cruelty and she became more sadistic. Notice that most of Cain's decisions have a Scorched Earth sensibility that reflects self-destructive tendencies, which is a common suicidal trait. Cain is a direct reference to THE CAINE MUTINY with Bogart, where battle fatigue turns a once ordinary man into a monster. if I remember right, Admiral Cain also had a pair of steel balls that she was constantly fiddling with to drive the point home, but's been about 10 years since the show ended so I don't remember all that well.
CAIN: I don't take orders from you. ADAMA: Call it whatever you like: I'm getting my memes. CAIN: You are making such a mistake. ADAMA: I'm getting my memes.
Cain: "I am a Forum Moderator, on detached service in a meme war, the terms of service gives me brought authority in this matter!" Adama: *Aside: "Launch the alert trolls!" *To Cain "You can quote me whatever policy you'd like. I'm not going to let you delete my memes!"
Bear McCreary's score is so haunting at this moment. Relieving and foreboding at the same time, and a great piece of music in its own right. Only shows what genius this guy is and what he's achieved for the show. Masterful.
Love when she finally confronted her own mortality and the end. There was rage for feeling helpless with the gun pointed at her but there was also fear, she know she was going to die and that fear make her even more vulnerable that's why she cried just before she was shot.
I always loved that though Cain and the Pegasus represented a dark mirror of Adama and Galactica there was still layers to her character. She is not evil for the sake of being evil. She was pushed to make difficult decisions that changed her and her crew, but despite all of that there was still echoes of the fine officer and Commander she used to be. Her decision to spare Adama even if it was only a reprieve makes her statement in the beginning all the more true: "Trust me when I say that while the chain of command is strict it is not heartless; and neither am I."
The "Razor" movie fleshed her history out even further. As a child, she gave in to fear and abandoned the younger sister she had promised her father to take care of, and the movie suggests that that little sister probably went to gruesome medical experiments and vivisection. Helena Cain spent the rest of her life justifying that panicked moment to herself, and convinced herself that rather than having acted out of fear, she actually showed courage in doing what was necessary, even if it appeared morally repugnant, and then being willing to live with the guilt and the awful consequences. Psychologically, this prepared her to commit war crimes and justify them in the same way.
Razor was a fantastic movie, I loved the scenes at the beginning between Cain and her XO. You saw the history and closeness between the two. Her softer side that she let die to become a Razor; which made Cain's actions later all the more tragic to see unfold. If things had gone just a little bit different, Pegasus's story would have had far less tragedy in it.
Admiral Cain was a very effective leader in her element. Smart, decisive, strong, effective command skills and her conclusions in combat are usually correct. It's no wonder that she was able to flourish in her environment. But there was a quote I read once about people like that. After a while, they start thinking that everyone else is either clever or stupid. But that's not true. It just takes people a little longer to figure things out. Cain started believing that most people were sheep that needed to be protected, led or slaughtered according to the needs of the fleet... and she believed the needs of the fleet and her will are the same thing. With no oversight or command authority over her, she had nothing to rein her in and she went rogue.
Admiral Cain's sin is that at her level she should not only have the small scale tactical in mind, but the larger strategic picture of preserving humanity and its institutions of which she is a part. I'd forgive a lot if the alternative was extinction, but it wasn't.
Lack of actual experience showing, being moved into the rank way too quickly to properly assimilate the scale she needed to make decisions at. Coupled with her "command" as an admiral being just Pegasus, she had no real experience overseeing a fleet. So when put in a situation where she is out of her depth, she immediately falls back on what she knew (much like her second in command did with engineering), starts micromanaging, throwing her weight around, and before and after meeting Galactica really not appreciating the desperation of the situation and that they and any ships they encountered were ALL that was left.
@@annterashita1770 Thats funny, cause I thought, Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff, BSG) and Beka Valentine (Lisa Ryder, Andromeda) was the same actor until today. xD
Adama, not a flag officer, was prepared to launch a coup when the 'president' intervened in military affairs. No reason for Cain to do otherwise, particularly given Adama's hypocrisy and double standards.
@@theonlylampshade Only problem with that is Cain would have found herself going up against both Adama and Galactica, AND the lawful President of the Colonies. While she herself might have been totally ok with committing High Treason, could the same have been said for her entire crew, no matter how loyal to her personally they had been? Considering her history, once they had found the remains of their entire civilization would think more than a few would have figured they no longer had to live under the iron fist of a flag Admiral fighting a lost war. No matter how you spin things, it was a major plot hole, the show should have gone the original BSG route, and had Cain at least temporarily relieved of command by the President, then reinstated at some crucial moment during the attack on the Resurrection Ship. The episode arc could have then continued to the same ending.
@@looneyburgmusic Hmm. Well, President Roslin was as lawful a president of the Colonies when confronted by Adama as she was at a point of a hypothetical confrontation with Cain. Admiral Cain doesn't have to acknowledge the legitimacy of President Roslins rump administration, and its severely doubtful her crew would side with an unknown politician, and a battlestar commander who was essentually guilty of mutiny, over the Admiral they knew and were steadfastly loyal to. President Roslin was unwilling to get into an open showdown with Cain. She knew it would have ended one way; the dissolution of civilian government.
@@theonlylampshade When Roslin and Adama bumped heads, Adama had the Galactica on his side, Roslin had next to nothing. Roslin vs. Cain could have been different - Roslin would have had Adama, who had already shown he was not intimidated by Cain or the Pegasus, backing her up, and she had Cain on Colonial One, with none of her marines to protect her. Meanwhile, an unknown number of Cain's crew were not even "real" Colonial Fleet personal, remember? Cain had pressed many into service by raiding civilian ships after the Cylon attack. So how many of those crew would have been itching for a little payback against the woman who had left their families to be killed by the Cylons? It was an aspect of the backstory setup of Cain and the Pegasus that the show seemed to totally ignore, most likely for time/expedience reasons. Or, the writers just never thought about it.
@@looneyburgmusic For the sake of argument over legitimacy, Adama's past actions could validate any hypothetical action from Cain. As the Admiral pointed out herself, he's not one for consistency - demanded from her a trial by jury for his officers, and dismissing an independent trial previously after it went against him. He would later try and dismiss another trial after it asked awkward questions to the President. Yes, I'm sure the close relationship between the two wasn't lost in Cain either. As for the loyality of her crew. Cain had a team of marines willing to execute Adama and every single member of his command staff on her order. She had Razors like Kendra Shaw, who were devotedly loyal to her - Shaw being an officer who was patronsing to Cain... until she met her. This was the level of loyality she inspired, they weren't going to be turning on her. As for the undermined no. of civilians they impressed - perhaps they were aggrieved, looking for payback - but what are they going to do about it? Storm the CIC? Start a fight with Cain's marines? Don't be absurd. And what's the motivation for this mutiny by Adama and hypothetical overreach by Roslin? The death sentence passed on two Colonial officer guilty of murdering another Colonial officer, to protect an enemy agent from enhanced interrogation. It's perfectly true that he was raping her, but this is a Cylon. I don't suppose pointing that out would be much of a defence in the court of public opinion. So, it would be these grounds that Adama and Roslin launch their coup. Not the strongest, I would suggest. I don't think there's much lacking in the background setup, besides the briefness of the encounter.
7:20, it was this point in the story when I realized that Cain was in fact suicidal and would doom humanity. She plans on trying to take back the colonies from a Cylon force which wiped all but TWO of humanities Battlestars. One being an older, decommissioned Jupiter Class and the other, while being the modern Mercury design, was comprised of a crew which no doubt hates the Galactica's crew after the death of one of their personnel during Starbuck's recon mission... Genius....
Luke's 3D Works not to mention the 12 Colonies of Kobol are all but irradiated by the Cylons’ use of nukes. It would be thousands of years before those planets ever became viable for human life again. Kara Thrace just wanted to rescue the surviving humans to Galactica to venture off for Earth.
@@sakar181 Almost all of them were annoying and crazy as hell, Starbuck being the flagship example. Off the top of my head, only the asian cylon and her husband seemed normal out of the bunch.
@@pete3011 In typical command structures, "Flag Officers" are in the Admiral ranks. Starbuck wasn't a Flag Officer. For that matter, nor was Adama when he was a Commander, CO of the Galactica.
@@sakar181 I'm aware. I was saying practically everyone was crazy on the show, with Starbuck being the craziest, not that the flag officers specifically were crazy and annoying.
She's one of my all time favorite sci-fi characters ever. She was cold, even brutal in her manner of command, but she was looking after the welfare and survival of her crew. Not that it justifies some of her actions, but after all she witnessed and went through it is understandable.
@@sabrewolf4129 Oh, jeeze. Going thru these comments and seeing this TRUMPeting drone. Think this guy( maybe?)'s like this bonkers preacherwoman from some church group out of Philadelphia who's got it into her head that some dozens of female celebs from Mariah Carey to Danica Patrick to Mary Lou Retton to Amy Adams to Taylor Swift are all males, even Queen Elizabeth!!
@@sabrewolf4129 Um, alternate universe. Seem to remember another one where those call signed "Starbuck" and "Boomer" were males. You complain ("bitch", piss and moan) about that also ? Where's Boxey and that news reporter I'd like to Seymour of (in my real life I HAVE seen her upcloseandpersonal enough to obtain her sig on a few of her books and a "Wedding Crashers" vid)?
Adama earned his position through blood, sweat and sacrifice. Cain earned her position because of her family's reputation and influence. In standard warfare Cain probably would've made a decent Flag Officer, but due to the extreme conditions she was placed under (the harsh fact that the enitre Human race is nearly completely extinct and all Twelve Colonies were now nuclear wastelands) she was just unable to cope with it like Adama was. His experience and demeanor allowed to him to fare far better off than Cain. The fact Cain believes they can retake all the Twelve Colonies with a fleet of refugees and only two remaining Human warships in existence shows just how disconnected Cain was with the situation, most of her decisions are made for the betterment of HERSELF and at times the rest of Pegasus and not giving two shits about anyone else.
True! She went off the rails, to a large extent from the grave responsibility of leading all of humanity. She believed the war was lost. And when she did go off , she became a single minded killing machine. Human survival meant nothing to her. Her own survival meant nothing. Like a doomed kamakazi pilot who only wants to take as many enemies down with her. Her behavior is plausible and understandable.
Bear in mind that it's easy to judge Cain, but remember: she (and her crew) were in an impossible position. The Twelve Colonies were gone. The Colonial Fleet had been annihilated. Pegasus was the last battlestar. Humanity as a species was now effectively extinct, as there was no possible way to repopulate with so few survivors. It was over. Cain didn't let her crew give up or wallow in despair, or think about suicide. She made them angry and gave them a mission: vengeance at any cost. Over many months, the Pegasus crew became more and more extreme, doing things that ordinarily they would have never done. It was a post-apocalyptic mindset. And here's the rub: Cain knew how awful it all was, how insane it all was, and she kept pushing on anyway. It was only when they met Galactica and the civilian fleet that Cain started to realise that there was another way, that maybe she didn't have to be a monster anymore. Maybe she could reclaim her humanity, along with the rest of her crew. She had taken her first steps towards that when Six killed her. So before you judge Cain, put yourself in her position and really think about it. Could you have done better? Adama himself admits that if it had been him, he would've done similar things. Before Roslin talked him out of it, Adama was dead set on charging Galactica into a suicide mission and leaving all 50,000 civilians to die.
You knew that sooner or later, Adama and Cain would be at each other's throat, to the point of planning mutual assassinations. Fortunately, they both backed off.
Man the music was so good in this show. Love the guitar riffs here, real sci-fi tunes. The only other show that has had this good music was Stargate Universe if you ask me, both SGU and BSG had in-house music. AMAZING!
"That is the last time you try to play upon my sympathies. Between you and me I feel a hell of a lot more sorry for myself." I'm paraphrasing but that sentiment always stuck with me. Cain was a well written character.
It was a small detail but I loved that colonial officers wore sidearms all times they were on duty. Not only has this always made sense to me as what should be common practice yet rarely is in shows such as this one but it also highlights exactly the kind of person admiral Cain was; esp in contrast to adama...
One needs to understand that Cain was not a true career officer like Adama. She got her position and command through contacts rather then earn it like Adama did. The sudden loss of the home worlds and the fleet caused her to have a mental breakdown as she quickly started making impulsive and rash command decisions. The fact that she ordered the execution (or murder) of civilians as well as murdering her own XO proves this. She was not ready, prepared, or trained to handle such a massive event. And as for Chief Tyroll and Lt. Agathon, please remember that Cains "interrogator" was going to rape and torture her. They went to save a friend. And even in colonial law, such a thing is a war crime. rather it be human or machine.
I would think most careerists start off with "contacts" and work their way up from there. General Patton's family had military connections since before the civil war and General MacArthur was a military brat whose father was a medal of honor recipient. Just saying, having connections doesn't make you less skilled or competent and being a careerist isn't necessarily a plus.
Indeed. And she HAD to go. They way it was played is satisfying, but if it went kinda like original Cain, it would make her a hero in the end. I still dont understand why she had to abandon ALL civillian ships she found? Take those who can jump and use them as decoy or whatever but nnnope.
Of course she was section 8! After all the trauma she had been through how could she not be? 2 choices: become rock hard/stone cold or crack up. Unlike Adama she had no family, no friends, no support, never a break from the terrible burden of revenge. She lost it anyway, lost perspective under the burden of command. Don't hate her, she was all they had and she did her best for them under the worst of circumstances.
@@patricke170 I know what you are saying. But I am a veteran and I know command track officers often have conflicting duties placed on them. It is like being in the middle of a fubar and having to do something. Then stand court martial and justify your actions. Janeway had that totally on her own. She had no peers to consult. Remember she came to trust Chakotay but he was the terrorist she was supposed to apprehend. He was a Starfleet deserter iirc, like Eddington on DS9. Eddington didn't just walk away. He sabotaged the station and stole equipment. I don't care about his reasons. He made it personal. I think Sisko knew he would infiltrate again if he wished. Sisko considered him an active and ongoing threat.
You can tell a lot about a person just by a handshake, of which there are 3 types: 1. The "wet dish towel:" Weak grip (if any), no eye contact, insecure. 2. The "firm:" Good grip, good eye contact, confident. 3. The "Vice Grip:" Overpowering. Hands not side-by-side (their hand on top). Fierce eye contact to establish dominance. Admiral Cain is a type 3. She outranked Adama but, she was sending a "message" as well.
I am a flag officer on detached service during a time of war. - bad ass line. I wish they woulda kept her around for the better part of the season to really get that hate/respect conflict from the viewer. The Pegasus movie revealed a lot more of how bad-ass she was.
Notice how often Admiral Cain pulled rank to get her way? How often she had to remind others that she was in command? How often she had to resort to violence to keep her men in line? That's a sign of a poor leader; her followers don't respect her and continually question her orders. She makes no attempt to earn her men's respect or establish an understanding with them, and never allows them any freedom to use their own judgment or play to their strengths. She has a "my way or the highway" attitude and never listens to anyone else's input in a situation. She sees her men as nothing more than expendable fodder and soldiers, and her poor leadership skills nearly caused the last two Battlestars in existence to destroy each other. "Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king." -Tywin Lannister
dragonslair951167 hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. She let her feelings of betrayal from Six override her better judgment. Had she not been manipulated by Six she might have reacted differently.
I also think it was Patton that once said: "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isnt thinking" That is what I keep getting in my head when sending those clips with Cain. Even the clip where she kills her XO because he made a better thought to let the ship and highly possible the entier crew to live and fight an other day when he saw that they where heavily outnumbered. I mean I do get her that she will personally kill every cylon, I would do the same if I was in her shoes. But unlike her I would first and foremost think of whoever I have under my command first to most sure I dont lost men unecessary. Even more so if I was in command of civilian ships. Something like what Adama does each time they meet a cylon fleet. Make sure to delay the enemy so the civilians have a chance to get away and then retreat to fight an other time
Cain's demeanor and actions make me feel like she needs to be administered a considerable quantity of tranquilizer, with a dart gun . Likely on regular basis by a nearby sniper or gunman ready to administer regularly and when a need arises. It's like her angry stoicism, overwhelming Militarism and the need for control are the only things that keep her from breaking into a raging tantrum breakdown; or something to that effect. I imagine Cain like a tea kettle that has glowing metal from the heat, with few or no release valves leaving the thing to rattle and vibrate from the building pressure.
What a great show and more important, what an amazing cast, male and females alike, put in just amazing performances, aside from baltair, I would argue the female cast members carried this show for most of its duration. What a beautiful thing when people were losing their marbles over starbuck being a female lead, but she really was right for the part.
I LOVE the actress (loved her on Star Trek also) but her character was just straight up evil. It was the only time a rooted for the Cylons lol. I thought a soldier was suppose to protect the civilians not slaughter them.
Cain's reasoning was that towing around a bunch of useless (in her opinion) civilians was dead weight that would get them all killed. She cherry picked everything and everyone she thought was useful to preserving civilization and left the rest behind. In a pretty obvious metaphor, the Pegasus is Sparta and Galactica and the democratic fleet is Athens.
My only problem with this arc is that Roslin for once, and only once maybe, didn't play up her part as she should. She was the president of the colonies, de facto military commander in chief of the fleet, even if the day to day military ops of the fleet wasn't run by her. Adm. Cain might have been Adama's senior and superior, but Roslin was her superior, in turn. In that meeting in Colonial One Roslin doesn't even mention that - she just goes on to tell Cain that she could fight Galactica or compromise - no, m'lady, she either could and should stand down under direct orders from her CiC to do so, and shut the eff up, or she could and should stand immediately relieved from command and arrested in wait for a court martial for insubordination and rebellion against the lawful authority (her commander in chief no less). It's obvious that Cain didn't bother to recognize the authority of Roslin to begin with - but still Roslin should've played that card and made it clear that if she disobeyed she'd be in open rebellion against the established, actual, authority in command in that scenario (the government of the colonies), which would've gone a long way to put her whole hold over Pegasus at risk ,for probably a good chunk of that ship's crew would have serious problems about serving under an officer in open rebellion. Besides, and again, they were in Colonial One. Cain should've been reprimanded, given the chance to follow the direct orders of the CIC of the fleet, and had she refused, IMMEDIATELY arrested. The only way she should've been allowed to go back to Pegasus would've been if she had comprehensively made clear she aknowledged she was not the girl in charge AT ALL, and that she recognized Roslin as the lawful authority she was bound to serve under (something she never did, btw). Refusal to do either would've meant the brig, court martial, removal of rank and command, and immediate promotion of Adama to the Admiral rank giving him command of both Galactica and Pegasus. It's quite the flaw in the writing of an otherwise excellent arc, and a big let down from a character that elsewhere in the series was shown to have absolutely no issues in firmly showing who REALLY was in charge when in need to do so, even when in much more dangerous and extreme situations than the one at hand (Roslin)
IMO, this is the absolute BEST SCI-FI show ever made and it is a CRIME that every single character on this show isn't working today. That said, what makes this show brilliant is that it perfectly captures the human condition. We have a liberal Commander and a Conservative Admiral deciding the very FATE of the human race......
The problem with fast track promotions and that she had absolutely no combat experience. She lost her mind and was willing to go right to hell with everyone riding her coat tails
for me the Cain storyline was the height of the series. LOVE season 2!! i dont know what Ron Moore was thinking by season 4. still an awesome show and love re-watching it!
Best science fiction show in my opinion to this day. Where is the Pegasus tv show? Come on Netflix? Must have Michelle Forbes can't do it without her 😁😀🤣😂😃😅😉
Wait, when did Ensign Ro Laren suddenly get promoted to Admiral and why is Captain Picard now second in command...on a different starship to boot? And the Borg now have spies in the federation with no implants somehow. I really need to catch up. Anyone know when the reruns air so I can set my VHS timer to record?
5:50 She is no longer detached, she is right with the new civilian government who commands both her and Adama. At this point Cain doesn't care about anything else but keeping power for herself but finally met someone who won't bow down to her or flinch when she makes threats.
Cain was a great character, the only thing I would hold against her writing is that execution of her XO. I think most people understand it again as "cold calculation" and no tollerance for insubordination. I would first claim it was excesively wasteful, a demotion, removal from the bridge crew or even brig would be all better choices. But most importantly - her XO did not openly disobey her order. To her direct question, he replied "I cannot follow the order with good conscience" or something along the lines. The only acceptable response from Cain would be to inform him, that his conscience is irrelevant and ask him again - because he failed to answer the question. Yet she shoots him. That doesnt fit her perfectly measured cold logic. She must have "missed" it and I dont think she would.
Why? Why am I attracted to her? She's not "classically beautiful" but she's got something... That command authority and that aura of power she projects is so damn sexy. Is something wrong with me?
It was a very interesting choice to flip the Pegasus situation around from what it was in the classic series. For those who have only seen this version, the original series also featured the return of the Battlestar Pegasus, under the command of Commander Cain, played by Kirk Douglas. However where Admiral Cain outranked Adama in the new series, in the original it was the other way around - Adama, as both a Commander and as a member of the Quorum of Twelve, outranked Cain. There was still a conflict, but it was for completely different reasons - where Adama was cool-headed and preferred to avoid the Cylons, Cain had been waging guerilla war against the Cylons since the colonies fell and strongly disagreed with Adama's choices, even planning a mutiny of his own and deliberately sabotaging a plan that would have allowed them to avoid the Cylons while still accomplishing their goals because he wanted a fight. In the end, he sacrifices himself and the Pegasus to save Adama and the fleet, though his daughter survived and joined Galactica's Blue Squadron and became a potential romantic interest for Apollo. The changes made between series fascinate me, how similar and yet wildly different they are. Classic Pegasus only lasted two episodes while the modern Pegasus lasted significantly longer, yet in the end both were sacrificed to protect Galactica and the fleet.
Fuck man... I remember the days when I still played video games... playing with a great man(he was a U.S. Marine on active in the barracks)on the night of Pegasus return... I don’t remember how but we fell into a soft but swiftly intensifying conversation about Battlestar Galactica. He said at one point, “I thought I was the only one who liked that stupid show.” But as he said it with such soft consistency and yet such channeled determination of some notion of deep meaning and a innate and instantaneous feeling... we kind of both silently realized we are both at home here. This was OUR show. It was so strong and certain that in that moment we both realized we used those actors that did those roles too hold up who and what we were in those unique times. At the point in time... we came to realize... that because of this silly little show... we were fuckin alright for a while. I remember that night, having a drink(a bottle, round as fuck but mentally it was a hexagon) and all those lovelies of ours that rocked our world in a way that can’t be unmade ever... there importance. Katie Sackoff, Edward James Olmos, Tricia Helfer, Grace Park, Mary McDonald, Jamie bamber, Micheal Hogan, James Callis, Aaron Douglas, Tamoh Pinekett, the mighty Alessandro Juliani and one of the worlds most lovely humans, the edifying Kandyse McClure...! What a daydream 💭 anyway... names I shouldn’t forget(Ronald D. Moore){I’m not mentioning David and his Godamned Lamps! Psssh} Ohh Rekha Sharma and Leah Cairns and Nikki Clyne and Kerry Norton and Keegan Conor Tracy and Alison Down, Eileen Peede, Alison Down, the wondrous Tyffany Lyndall-Knight , Lara Gilchrist, the stunning (absolutely stunning) Luciana Carro... what was I thinking of? Do I want to think of anything else? Graced with the presence of people like Lucy Lawless, Kate Vernon, Bodie Olmos, Micheal Trucco, Donnelly Rhodes, Callum Keith Rennie and Mathew Bennet, the greatest guys I ever seen Sam Witwer and Warren Christie, The fabulous Ryan Mcdonell and the fantastic Dominic Zamprogna! Sebastian Spence and Colin Lawrence! Lorena Gale! Dean Stockwell of coarse! He intensified the show in a way that it became transcendent after it had just transcended! Such a magical thing and all the rest of the family. It can be expressed only one way and that is family. And God did Michelle Forbes come in and steal the whole show for a while... even from Katie James and Jamie and Tricia and Grace... that’s not easy to do. In short... in terms of acting... it was the greatest quality I’ve ever seen... and when it comes to works of art... what all of you people did... and for the likes of all of us... it’s a cherished memory that became a force to help shape the history of the world. And from people like me to people like Elon Musk... you effected us very deeply, and enriched the human story and I just thought one person could remind you all how important you are to all of us. Thank you from all of our hearts. Your fans and the blissfully ignorant. We love you. So we all say it.
6 is standing like 3 feet from Cain, Cain could easily grab the gun. The only question is, could she divert the aim enough before the weapon discharged. Frankly I don't care what the answer is, she should have at least attempted to take the weapon! Now I admit, I am pretty sure the gun would fire before Cain could divert it's aim away from her head, but at least have her try!
Haven't seen this ep on the tube or have the seasons' dvd but in this clip I see a small bit of fisheyeing which indicates one of those depth of field camera staging framing things where it looks like they were close when there may have been 6,7,8,or 9' of separation . So the weapon may have been out of reach for a grab.
As good as the Cain arc turned out to be in the end, there was still a major plot hole that the show never addressed - as President Roslin could have simply relieved Cain of her command after the initial showdown between Pegasus and Galactica, perhaps even going as far as having her security detail arresting Cain on Colonial One. It would have made for a much more dramatic and shocking twist, before Cain eventually was returned to her command of Pegasus for whatever reason before or during the attack on the Resurrection Ship. The rest of her story arc could have then followed the same line to her death at the hands of the captured Six.
@@maoad_dib The plot hole is ignoring that Cain wasn't actually, "In Command" as Adama and Cain both implied/indicated when Pegasus first joined the fleet. Again, Roslin, as the lawful President of the Colonies, was. Cain may have taken Adama's slot as "military" leader, but she still should have been subservient to the civilian leadership of the fleet. It was a major missed opportunity I would say, for the writers to explore how Admiral Cain would have reacted to no longer being an end in and of herself, able to do whatever she liked absent any consequences.
@@looneyburgmusic I see where you're coming from, Cain could have been arrested and relived of duty, but on what grounds? At that point it was Adama who was mutinous against his admiral. It's a tough one because I think the way they played it was very in character for all three of them. To me the fact that Roslin so much as got them to the same table shows she did exercise her command to the extent either of them would listen to it. Plus we know from Lee's command that Pegasus doesn't respond well to outsiders, so is hard to say what the rest of the ship would've done if "a school teacher" arrested the highest ranking military officer in the Fleet
@@maoad_dib Guess I was hoping new BSG would have expanded a bit on what original BSG did with Cain, but had only barely scratched the surface being it was 70's campy BSG... The whole Adama/Cain personal conflict was a potential goldmine for the kind of sci-fi drama new BSG was doing... they could have stretched the arc out over most of the season if they had really wanted to, seriously turn the entire fleet upside down for a while, then blown everything up at the end... Oh well.
@@looneyburgmusic I haven't completed the original series yet, but I do agree I wish Cain had survived longer-even a 5-episode arc would've been welcome. But it makes sense that they wanted her gone before New Caprica and the election. Can you imagine what this show would've been if they had even one more of her instead of Black Market though.......
Michelle Forbes as Admiral Daala in Star Wars should be a thing, not by just voice actress but in character in front of Grand Admiral Thrawn played by Jeremy Irons, and their both would make the most memorized Imperial oficer to oficer chat in Star Wars history. She`s the best and She would be the a star of star trek, star wars, battlestar galactica in each as amazing character.
Best Commander Cain ever. the Reboot is the worst thing ever done. They did it to Star Wars, they did it to Star Trek and they did it here. SJWs need to be shot as soon as they try to rewrite history.
jediknight38, in the original BSG, Lloyd Bridges played Commander Cain, and was junior to Commander Adama. That version of Cain had more integrity, compassion, and honor in his pinky nail than Helena Cain had in her whole body.
SABREWOLF, the reimagining of Glen Larson’s Battlestar Galactica was far more realistic in terms of the dangers and reality of facing extinction at the hands of a mortal enemy they the original was. With that in mind, Helena Cain ultimate motivation was self-preservation; everyone else be damned. Admiral Cain should have understood that military protocols as they existed before the Twelve Colonies were all but decimated by the second generation Cylons should have been put aside. Her Battlestar was capable of manufacturing vipers, possibly even raptors and even more so replacement components for a battlestar’s FTL drive without cannibalizing the civilian ships entrusted to her. She was a murdering, raping whore, and she got what she ultimately deserved: justice at the hands of a Cylon Number Six whose rape and torture she authorized.
"SABREWOLF" Now I thunk I get it. Name's a dead giveaway , kinda like when a 300# guy's called "Tiny" or an under 5' may be called "Stretch" in that they are the opposite. Same as the screenname. Like in online dating profiles, the "image" of what is wanted to appear. Beginning to also think that perhaps "wolf" may be closer to"wulf" in the language used by that early 1940's themed party back in the Old Country where a party was on its Fourth go round.
Even Adama said he would've done exactly the same as her if Lee wasn't there to reflect him for his actions. Adama also said that nothing of her actions was flawed from military point of view. Cain was legendary and about the interrogator, you cannot rape a machine, specially one that killed 800 of her men. That machine deserved even worst than what she's got, and just look what she did after Baltar released her, killed even more people and caused chaos. Cain had to do what she had to do and that's why the Pegasus survived, no one could fit into her gigantic shoes after she was murdered.
I’ve always been dubious on Adama!s claim and thought that Cain was a deeply unreliable narrator in her logs, because you can never convince me Adama would have made the same calls she made
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Keep in mind people, she was only in three episodes and in Razor, and yet she managed to make such a lasting impression.
It was scripted that way. She is the chief antagonist in those episodes.
Unpopular opinion: Cain's death at the end of Resurrection Ship was really cheap. I would have preferred it if, for example, her crew see the fleet and resent what Cain did in Razor, so with Adama's encouragement, they airlock her.
Oh damn in the social justice World they gave Admiral Cain a sex change, any original BSG series Admiral Cain was a man the late actor Lloyd Bridges whose son is Beau Bridges and Jeff Bridges unfuckable evil Admiral Cain got his dick cut off either woman now a very good-looking woman I might add do you understand what I'm talking about go see the original OG Battlestar Galactica and see the original Admiral Cain.
@@charlesneelywhatever.🤪
Well she was an extremely evil person. So, yeah...
Michelle Forbes was an excellent pick to play Admiral Cain, a do not mess with me commanding officer who had excellent knowledge for fighting the Cylons but was personally broken by what happened to her in "Razor". She was also very appealing & classy, same as when playing Ro Laren in Star Trek TNG.
I watched TNG for the first time as an adult semi recently and noticed she was Ensign Ro. She was awesome. I want to see her in more stuff.
@@HavanaSyndrome69 I also loved her in Homicide: Life on the Street.
She was the one recurring character in TNG that I was always happy to see in an episode and wish she had appeared more often. One bit of trivia: Ro was supposed to be a main character in DS9, but she declined the role so Major Kira Nerys was created instead.
@Nicolas Cataldo She's in The Hunger Games: Mockingjay as well. She did well in it for her short stint. I think she'd make a better military officer than nearly the rest of District 13's personnel combined.
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The Cain-Pegasus episodes represent some of the best in the series.
I would say it represents some of the best in all sci fi. I put it above "The Best of Both Worlds" in Star Trek.
No doubt
The "I'm getting my men" exchange might be my favourite dialogue in the series - and that's a high bar to clear.
The best in TV not Sci fi.
Roslin: "I am sure that Pegasus would prevail in any fight"
Frakin' Adama "I wouldn't count on that" XD
Roslin "...So you can go out there and fight it out with Galactica or can compromise. Those are the only two options on the table. Period."
Cain: [Frak..] "Fine. Have it your way. For now." Then dies. XD.
Scared and in love with Roslin at the same time, my perfect women.
sw gs Adama had the fleet, and he had placed missles on to many of the civ ships by this point, unless I'm remembering wrong. Adama would have kicked Cains ass, he was a very smart man.
"Pegagus might be newer and have better weapons, but Galactica has *plot armor*."
In a way hes right. Pegasus would "Win" the battle but not without sustaining critical damage and loosing a fuckton of personell. With no shipyards to return to, cylons looking for survivors everywhere and not enough personell to rudimentarily stitch Pegasus back together thats as good as death.
1:29 As she shakes Bill's hand, She turns her hand to be above his (90 degrees counter-clockwise). That's a power move to establish dominance. Very subtle, very telling. What a show!
Last time a dude tried that with me I broke 1 of his fingers. Whoops... >:)
Dustin Wright hasn’t noticed that until you mentioned it-good catch!!
Good catch, something to come out of the "Freemason" practice! Not surprised it'd be in the show.
@@AsttoScott I wouldn't mind her being dominant over me.
she could have just t-posed
The thing is that Admiral Cain represents one half of what is needed in the military - cold, calculated decisions. Unfortunately, the other thing needed is compassion and to know when the line has been crossed. Cain didn't have that ability. She did what she thought needed to be done at any particular time. If you got in the way of that, she wouldn't hesitate to remove you as an obstacle. Adama, while calculated, possessed compassion. He knew when he needed to make an order that would likely result in men being killed but had the compassion to understand who those people were, even the enemy, and base that against what he needed to get done. If there was another way, even if it was a harder way, if it saved lives, he would do it. Cain stuck to the plan, always. Adama inspired confidence and respect, Cain inspired fear. People would give their lives for what Adama needed because they wanted to, those under Cain would do it because they had to for fear of the repercussions.
Micheal Rigs That very true. Honestly I think Adama knows a conscious decision while compassionate at same time Cain's not capable of from some scarring moments made her cold in the show just looking for her crew, but not the welfare of others over the line even in war. So I don't blame Cain's crew they were scared defying her out of fear I'd be in that position. Maybe it did take Adama to to end her reign of fear aboard Pegasus. Otherwise somewhere else would have to risk their life to stop her reign of fear, but most likely have to kill her in process like show. At least she saved her ship in the beginning. But the irony is Cain's ship lost when Apollo ignored orders in new caprica cost an otherwise superior battlestar other than it saved galactica. Shows you Apollo's a good man like Adama, but not good commander of Pegasus unlike Cain willing to become iron-fisted in her reign of her ship to begin with before Apollo wasted just threw it in battle on conscious choice Cain would kill for wasting her ship.
You guys are detached from reality, yes it was cruel and unfortunate, but all those people we're dead anyway, Adama made the same decision early on in the series to abandon the people still a alive so they could bring the fight to the enemy he was in the same mindset just later changed his mind, you can't protect a train of ships and remain an effective fighting force at the same time. She knew they were dead anyway so she took what she needed, by force if necessary. You wouldn't be here today without the same sort of sacrifices by others in the past. The biggest enemy of effective fighting unit is politics and bureaucracy which she wanted none of, and the Galactica wouldn't of had half the chance it did, if it wasn't for the Pegasus and its battle achievements. She was right when she said she was a flagship officer in a time of war. Why don't you take a read throughout history, shes a saint compared to any nations history, including the USA. Do you know how many US soldiers were executed by their own men through the years during war? A lot more then you would think. The military had Depos where they could get resources, but those civs would of ran out of food quick and starved to death, or do what people do when they are starving in other countries, lets look at africa. They are man made famines and because of it a human life has a negative value. The more you kill the better chance you have to eat is the mentality that takes over. Shes not stupid and making these decisions to be evil... War is not about right or wrong its about winning and losing, you put too many emotions into it you get what happened with the US war in Afghanistan, you drag your foot and the enemy gets away. Which is a huge deal when its not a war of attrition as of old, but a gorilla war where the only way to win is to take out the puppet masters, even then new ones rise up and grow back like weeds.
Interesting viewpoints here from all who commented. In a way the Pegasus crew are a type of "darker mirror version" of the Galactica. Kinda like a more "natural" version of the mirror universe in star trek in a way.
@@slayersboxer915 I think your comments echo what Starbuck meant when she said they were better with Cain than without her.
@Michael Rigs Not entirely. Cain was prone to detachment, but we saw flashbacks of her before the Cylon War and she wasn't cold--just fastidious. It was finding out her girlfriend was a Cylon who tricked her into betraying her species and civilization to extinction that broke her mind. The revenge she got on her GF by turning her into a rape puppet for the fleet acclimated her to cruelty and she became more sadistic. Notice that most of Cain's decisions have a Scorched Earth sensibility that reflects self-destructive tendencies, which is a common suicidal trait.
Cain is a direct reference to THE CAINE MUTINY with Bogart, where battle fatigue turns a once ordinary man into a monster. if I remember right, Admiral Cain also had a pair of steel balls that she was constantly fiddling with to drive the point home, but's been about 10 years since the show ended so I don't remember all that well.
CAIN: I don't take orders from you.
ADAMA: Call it whatever you like: I'm getting my memes.
CAIN: You are making such a mistake.
ADAMA: I'm getting my memes.
HAH! 🤣
Cain: "I am a Forum Moderator, on detached service in a meme war, the terms of service gives me brought authority in this matter!"
Adama: *Aside: "Launch the alert trolls!" *To Cain "You can quote me whatever policy you'd like. I'm not going to let you delete my memes!"
Bear McCreary's score is so haunting at this moment. Relieving and foreboding at the same time, and a great piece of music in its own right. Only shows what genius this guy is and what he's achieved for the show. Masterful.
I really hate the musical score of RDM Galactica. That wailing nonsense, ugh.
@@MrRandomcommentguy wow, wrong opinions do exist.
Love when she finally confronted her own mortality and the end. There was rage for feeling helpless with the gun pointed at her but there was also fear, she know she was going to die and that fear make her even more vulnerable that's why she cried just before she was shot.
And yet she still held onto her dignity and didn't beg or plead.
She deserved to suffer more.
I always loved that though Cain and the Pegasus represented a dark mirror of Adama and Galactica there was still layers to her character. She is not evil for the sake of being evil. She was pushed to make difficult decisions that changed her and her crew, but despite all of that there was still echoes of the fine officer and Commander she used to be. Her decision to spare Adama even if it was only a reprieve makes her statement in the beginning all the more true: "Trust me when I say that while the chain of command is strict it is not heartless; and neither am I."
The "Razor" movie fleshed her history out even further. As a child, she gave in to fear and abandoned the younger sister she had promised her father to take care of, and the movie suggests that that little sister probably went to gruesome medical experiments and vivisection. Helena Cain spent the rest of her life justifying that panicked moment to herself, and convinced herself that rather than having acted out of fear, she actually showed courage in doing what was necessary, even if it appeared morally repugnant, and then being willing to live with the guilt and the awful consequences. Psychologically, this prepared her to commit war crimes and justify them in the same way.
Razor was a fantastic movie, I loved the scenes at the beginning between Cain and her XO. You saw the history and closeness between the two. Her softer side that she let die to become a Razor; which made Cain's actions later all the more tragic to see unfold. If things had gone just a little bit different, Pegasus's story would have had far less tragedy in it.
She is, evil means to bring unnassisary suffering to someone, what she does and plans in a trip on power I guess or for what ever reason
Cain is a man.
I just think she is hot and remember when she met Adama (hand shake scene). I truly wouldn't mind her being on top😃👍
Admiral Cain was a very effective leader in her element. Smart, decisive, strong, effective command skills and her conclusions in combat are usually correct. It's no wonder that she was able to flourish in her environment. But there was a quote I read once about people like that. After a while, they start thinking that everyone else is either clever or stupid. But that's not true. It just takes people a little longer to figure things out. Cain started believing that most people were sheep that needed to be protected, led or slaughtered according to the needs of the fleet... and she believed the needs of the fleet and her will are the same thing. With no oversight or command authority over her, she had nothing to rein her in and she went rogue.
Admiral Cain's sin is that at her level she should not only have the small scale tactical in mind, but the larger strategic picture of preserving humanity and its institutions of which she is a part. I'd forgive a lot if the alternative was extinction, but it wasn't.
Lack of actual experience showing, being moved into the rank way too quickly to properly assimilate the scale she needed to make decisions at. Coupled with her "command" as an admiral being just Pegasus, she had no real experience overseeing a fleet. So when put in a situation where she is out of her depth, she immediately falls back on what she knew (much like her second in command did with engineering), starts micromanaging, throwing her weight around, and before and after meeting Galactica really not appreciating the desperation of the situation and that they and any ships they encountered were ALL that was left.
@@SalinaMoonfall doesn't help when your mother LITERALLY BUILT the jupiter class ships, and basically saved the colonies after the strike on Virgon
Great actress and a badass character.
Wonder what Ensign Laren Ro would make of her.Or Sunny or Solita Wells/Lewis.
yet only alive in one episode
@@dangernoodle8813 Her whole crew was underwhelming too
She was a psychopath
@@annterashita1770 Thats funny, cause I thought, Kara Thrace (Katee Sackhoff, BSG) and Beka Valentine (Lisa Ryder, Andromeda) was the same actor until today. xD
Flag officer on detached service..
Once she reported to the President, she's not detached anymore and the President is senior.
Adama, not a flag officer, was prepared to launch a coup when the 'president' intervened in military affairs. No reason for Cain to do otherwise, particularly given Adama's hypocrisy and double standards.
@@theonlylampshade Only problem with that is Cain would have found herself going up against both Adama and Galactica, AND the lawful President of the Colonies. While she herself might have been totally ok with committing High Treason, could the same have been said for her entire crew, no matter how loyal to her personally they had been? Considering her history, once they had found the remains of their entire civilization would think more than a few would have figured they no longer had to live under the iron fist of a flag Admiral fighting a lost war.
No matter how you spin things, it was a major plot hole, the show should have gone the original BSG route, and had Cain at least temporarily relieved of command by the President, then reinstated at some crucial moment during the attack on the Resurrection Ship. The episode arc could have then continued to the same ending.
@@looneyburgmusic Hmm. Well, President Roslin was as lawful a president of the Colonies when confronted by Adama as she was at a point of a hypothetical confrontation with Cain. Admiral Cain doesn't have to acknowledge the legitimacy of President Roslins rump administration, and its severely doubtful her crew would side with an unknown politician, and a battlestar commander who was essentually guilty of mutiny, over the Admiral they knew and were steadfastly loyal to.
President Roslin was unwilling to get into an open showdown with Cain. She knew it would have ended one way; the dissolution of civilian government.
@@theonlylampshade When Roslin and Adama bumped heads, Adama had the Galactica on his side, Roslin had next to nothing. Roslin vs. Cain could have been different - Roslin would have had Adama, who had already shown he was not intimidated by Cain or the Pegasus, backing her up, and she had Cain on Colonial One, with none of her marines to protect her.
Meanwhile, an unknown number of Cain's crew were not even "real" Colonial Fleet personal, remember? Cain had pressed many into service by raiding civilian ships after the Cylon attack. So how many of those crew would have been itching for a little payback against the woman who had left their families to be killed by the Cylons?
It was an aspect of the backstory setup of Cain and the Pegasus that the show seemed to totally ignore, most likely for time/expedience reasons. Or, the writers just never thought about it.
@@looneyburgmusic For the sake of argument over legitimacy, Adama's past actions could validate any hypothetical action from Cain. As the Admiral pointed out herself, he's not one for consistency - demanded from her a trial by jury for his officers, and dismissing an independent trial previously after it went against him. He would later try and dismiss another trial after it asked awkward questions to the President. Yes, I'm sure the close relationship between the two wasn't lost in Cain either.
As for the loyality of her crew. Cain had a team of marines willing to execute Adama and every single member of his command staff on her order. She had Razors like Kendra Shaw, who were devotedly loyal to her - Shaw being an officer who was patronsing to Cain... until she met her. This was the level of loyality she inspired, they weren't going to be turning on her. As for the undermined no. of civilians they impressed - perhaps they were aggrieved, looking for payback - but what are they going to do about it? Storm the CIC? Start a fight with Cain's marines? Don't be absurd.
And what's the motivation for this mutiny by Adama and hypothetical overreach by Roslin? The death sentence passed on two Colonial officer guilty of murdering another Colonial officer, to protect an enemy agent from enhanced interrogation. It's perfectly true that he was raping her, but this is a Cylon. I don't suppose pointing that out would be much of a defence in the court of public opinion. So, it would be these grounds that Adama and Roslin launch their coup. Not the strongest, I would suggest.
I don't think there's much lacking in the background setup, besides the briefness of the encounter.
7:20, it was this point in the story when I realized that Cain was in fact suicidal and would doom humanity. She plans on trying to take back the colonies from a Cylon force which wiped all but TWO of humanities Battlestars. One being an older, decommissioned Jupiter Class and the other, while being the modern Mercury design, was comprised of a crew which no doubt hates the Galactica's crew after the death of one of their personnel during Starbuck's recon mission... Genius....
Luke's 3D Works not to mention the 12 Colonies of Kobol are all but irradiated by the Cylons’ use of nukes. It would be thousands of years before those planets ever became viable for human life again. Kara Thrace just wanted to rescue the surviving humans to Galactica to venture off for Earth.
Admiral Cain and the Pegasus crew acted as the perfect foil for Adama and the Galactica crew. Excellent writing. I love BSG.
It's a pity Cain didn't have RUclips. She could have watched one of those "How to disarm an opponent with a gun" videos and stay alive.
Where's that DUST guy when you need him
Whatever "sanity" Cain had she lost when she executed her XO on the bridge of the Pegasus.
Makes you wonder about the psychological screening that comes with being a Colonial Flag officer.
Seems lax.
@@sakar181 Almost all of them were annoying and crazy as hell, Starbuck being the flagship example. Off the top of my head, only the asian cylon and her husband seemed normal out of the bunch.
@@pete3011 In typical command structures, "Flag Officers" are in the Admiral ranks. Starbuck wasn't a Flag Officer.
For that matter, nor was Adama when he was a Commander, CO of the Galactica.
@@sakar181 I'm aware. I was saying practically everyone was crazy on the show, with Starbuck being the craziest, not that the flag officers specifically were crazy and annoying.
She's one of my all time favorite sci-fi characters ever. She was cold, even brutal in her manner of command, but she was looking after the welfare and survival of her crew. Not that it justifies some of her actions, but after all she witnessed and went through it is understandable.
Manuel Valentin No she was looking out for herself. As she proved she would kill anyone on her own crew that got in her way. Cold blooded psychotic
Cain is a MAN, and the rank is Commander.
@@sabrewolf4129 Oh, jeeze. Going thru these comments and seeing this TRUMPeting drone. Think this guy( maybe?)'s like this bonkers preacherwoman from some church group out of Philadelphia who's got it into her head that some dozens of female celebs from Mariah Carey to Danica Patrick to Mary Lou Retton to Amy Adams to Taylor Swift are all males, even Queen Elizabeth!!
LOL you must have watched different show... she wanted only revange and didnt carred for her crew.
@@prolamer7 Indeed, power corrupts!
Edward James Olmos and Michelle Forbes held their own.
And Snake Plissken never forgave her for giving him the Plutoxin-7 Virus in Escape From LA
@@albundy774 yup
I knew she'd be trouble from the very first moment I saw her.
the resting bitch face.
Just felt too good to be true. What with her outranking Adama too made her feel like a threat to me from the outset.
I agree as Commander Cain was a MAN, not some SJW Wokening wannabe.
@@sabrewolf4129 Um, alternate universe. Seem to remember another one where those call signed "Starbuck" and "Boomer" were males. You complain ("bitch", piss and moan) about that also ? Where's Boxey and that news reporter I'd like to Seymour of (in my real life I HAVE seen her upcloseandpersonal enough to obtain her sig on a few of her books and a "Wedding Crashers" vid)?
@Suicide Booth Really? Hadn't noticed.
"I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU WANT!!! You're fracking lucky you're not STARING AT YOUR OWN DEATH WARRANT!"
One of the best characters of the series.
Nathan D also one of my favorite lines from Admiral Cain
NOPE
Frakking no c
She was a psychopath who got what she deserved in the end
@@allanmckenzie6696 no, a sociopath. A big difference.
6:34 *when mom calls you and your sibling into her home office*
Cain grew up to be a fierce admiral.
Adama earned his position through blood, sweat and sacrifice.
Cain earned her position because of her family's reputation and influence.
In standard warfare Cain probably would've made a decent Flag Officer, but due to the extreme conditions she was placed under (the harsh fact that the enitre Human race is nearly completely extinct and all Twelve Colonies were now nuclear wastelands) she was just unable to cope with it like Adama was. His experience and demeanor allowed to him to fare far better off than Cain.
The fact Cain believes they can retake all the Twelve Colonies with a fleet of refugees and only two remaining Human warships in existence shows just how disconnected Cain was with the situation, most of her decisions are made for the betterment of HERSELF and at times the rest of Pegasus and not giving two shits about anyone else.
True! She went off the rails, to a large extent from the grave responsibility of leading all of humanity. She believed the war was lost. And when she did go off , she became a single minded killing machine. Human survival meant nothing to her. Her own survival meant nothing. Like a doomed kamakazi pilot who only wants to take as many enemies down with her. Her behavior is plausible and understandable.
Bear in mind that it's easy to judge Cain, but remember: she (and her crew) were in an impossible position. The Twelve Colonies were gone. The Colonial Fleet had been annihilated. Pegasus was the last battlestar. Humanity as a species was now effectively extinct, as there was no possible way to repopulate with so few survivors. It was over.
Cain didn't let her crew give up or wallow in despair, or think about suicide. She made them angry and gave them a mission: vengeance at any cost. Over many months, the Pegasus crew became more and more extreme, doing things that ordinarily they would have never done. It was a post-apocalyptic mindset.
And here's the rub: Cain knew how awful it all was, how insane it all was, and she kept pushing on anyway. It was only when they met Galactica and the civilian fleet that Cain started to realise that there was another way, that maybe she didn't have to be a monster anymore. Maybe she could reclaim her humanity, along with the rest of her crew. She had taken her first steps towards that when Six killed her.
So before you judge Cain, put yourself in her position and really think about it. Could you have done better? Adama himself admits that if it had been him, he would've done similar things. Before Roslin talked him out of it, Adama was dead set on charging Galactica into a suicide mission and leaving all 50,000 civilians to die.
You knew that sooner or later, Adama and Cain would be at each other's throat, to the point of planning mutual assassinations.
Fortunately, they both backed off.
Man the music was so good in this show. Love the guitar riffs here, real sci-fi tunes. The only other show that has had this good music was Stargate Universe if you ask me, both SGU and BSG had in-house music. AMAZING!
"That is the last time you try to play upon my sympathies. Between you and me I feel a hell of a lot more sorry for myself."
I'm paraphrasing but that sentiment always stuck with me. Cain was a well written character.
It was a small detail but I loved that colonial officers wore sidearms all times they were on duty. Not only has this always made sense to me as what should be common practice yet rarely is in shows such as this one but it also highlights exactly the kind of person admiral Cain was; esp in contrast to adama...
One needs to understand that Cain was not a true career officer like Adama. She got her position and command through contacts rather then earn it like Adama did. The sudden loss of the home worlds and the fleet caused her to have a mental breakdown as she quickly started making impulsive and rash command decisions. The fact that she ordered the execution (or murder) of civilians as well as murdering her own XO proves this. She was not ready, prepared, or trained to handle such a massive event. And as for Chief Tyroll and Lt. Agathon, please remember that Cains "interrogator" was going to rape and torture her. They went to save a friend. And even in colonial law, such a thing is a war crime. rather it be human or machine.
Brilliant and true.
She should have been relieved of duty and thrown in the brig, especially for murdering her XO in cold blood.
Well said there are far too many apologists for that evil twisted thing
I would think most careerists start off with "contacts" and work their way up from there. General Patton's family had military connections since before the civil war and General MacArthur was a military brat whose father was a medal of honor recipient. Just saying, having connections doesn't make you less skilled or competent and being a careerist isn't necessarily a plus.
Get where you tried to go. Please describe contacts....
She was a Great character
Indeed. And she HAD to go. They way it was played is satisfying, but if it went kinda like original Cain, it would make her a hero in the end. I still dont understand why she had to abandon ALL civillian ships she found? Take those who can jump and use them as decoy or whatever but nnnope.
Great character? Bullshit. She was a useless leader that was nothing more than a murderer and a psychopath
She was such a strong character. It's a shame that they took her down so fast
No it wasn’t. She was a monster and she needed to go one way or another
They had to or she would had killed Adama.
Of course she was section 8! After all the trauma she had been through how could she not be? 2 choices: become rock hard/stone cold or crack up. Unlike Adama she had no family, no friends, no support, never a break from the terrible burden of revenge. She lost it anyway, lost perspective under the burden of command. Don't hate her, she was all they had and she did her best for them under the worst of circumstances.
No excuses. She is a monster and I hate her.
I didn’t care for her much as ensign roe either
@@patricke170 I know what you are saying. But I am a veteran and I know command track officers often have conflicting duties placed on them. It is like being in the middle of a fubar and having to do something. Then stand court martial and justify your actions. Janeway had that totally on her own. She had no peers to consult. Remember she came to trust Chakotay but he was the terrorist she was supposed to apprehend. He was a Starfleet deserter iirc, like Eddington on DS9.
Eddington didn't just walk away. He sabotaged the station and stole equipment. I don't care about his reasons. He made it personal. I think Sisko knew he would infiltrate again if he wished. Sisko considered him an active and ongoing threat.
Just in case there is anyone left who does not know this: Adama means "Earth" in Hebrew.
And Adam means "man", right?
Yiu our fuckingnkidding me it means earth in hebrew???? This show literally exposes the worlds sin then including child trafficking
Dead Planet Adama does not mean Earth, as in the planet, but it does mean “land” as well as “earth’” as in what one plants crops in.
it was so satisfying when she finally got what was coming to her
You can tell a lot about a person just by a handshake, of which there are 3 types:
1. The "wet dish towel:" Weak grip (if any), no eye contact, insecure.
2. The "firm:" Good grip, good eye contact, confident.
3. The "Vice Grip:" Overpowering. Hands not side-by-side (their hand on top). Fierce eye contact to establish dominance.
Admiral Cain is a type 3. She outranked Adama but, she was sending a "message" as well.
I really dislike shaking women's hands. It feels really weird.
To me 3 is equal to 1, but in fact worse... you either mean shake honestly or not...
Nah. It's always been bullshit.
One of the finest looking admirals I've ever seen! SHe was a hottie as a Star Trek Ensign as well!
Ive said this in other posts but Ill Say it again: Admiral Caine was killed way too soon. Her, Fisk and Pegasus had enough stories for a whole season
Stupid lazy writing!!
She was awesome.
I am a flag officer on detached service during a time of war. - bad ass line. I wish they woulda kept her around for the better part of the season to really get that hate/respect conflict from the viewer. The Pegasus movie revealed a lot more of how bad-ass she was.
Notice how often Admiral Cain pulled rank to get her way? How often she had to remind others that she was in command? How often she had to resort to violence to keep her men in line? That's a sign of a poor leader; her followers don't respect her and continually question her orders. She makes no attempt to earn her men's respect or establish an understanding with them, and never allows them any freedom to use their own judgment or play to their strengths. She has a "my way or the highway" attitude and never listens to anyone else's input in a situation. She sees her men as nothing more than expendable fodder and soldiers, and her poor leadership skills nearly caused the last two Battlestars in existence to destroy each other.
"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king." -Tywin Lannister
dragonslair951167 hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. She let her feelings of betrayal from Six override her better judgment. Had she not been manipulated by Six she might have reacted differently.
I also think it was Patton that once said: "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isnt thinking" That is what I keep getting in my head when sending those clips with Cain. Even the clip where she kills her XO because he made a better thought to let the ship and highly possible the entier crew to live and fight an other day when he saw that they where heavily outnumbered. I mean I do get her that she will personally kill every cylon, I would do the same if I was in her shoes. But unlike her I would first and foremost think of whoever I have under my command first to most sure I dont lost men unecessary. Even more so if I was in command of civilian ships. Something like what Adama does each time they meet a cylon fleet. Make sure to delay the enemy so the civilians have a chance to get away and then retreat to fight an other time
1:15 on of the few times in movie and TV where military personnel actually render a correct salute. Very cool.
The reign of Cain was mainly insane.
@Ed Sev care to elaborate?
@@And-ur6olgot the reference yet?
In the membrane.
@@TroyConvers5000 it is a 3 year old comment... what makes you think i have any idea of what we are even talking about?
@@And-ur6ol you didn't then, Grandpa Simpson. No chance now.😂
I absolutely love Michelle Forbes. Outstanding actor! I just love watching her work, especially when she plays badass characters.
"... and if I'm not mistaken, Chief Tyrol was on trial there as well." Lol. Ouch!
Cain's demeanor and actions make me feel like she needs to be administered a considerable quantity of tranquilizer, with a dart gun
. Likely on regular basis by a nearby sniper or gunman ready to administer regularly and when a need arises.
It's like her angry stoicism, overwhelming Militarism and the need for control are the only things that keep her from breaking into a raging tantrum breakdown; or something to that effect. I imagine Cain like a tea kettle that has glowing metal from the heat, with few or no release valves leaving the thing to rattle and vibrate from the building pressure.
What a great show and more important, what an amazing cast, male and females alike, put in just amazing performances, aside from baltair, I would argue the female cast members carried this show for most of its duration. What a beautiful thing when people were losing their marbles over starbuck being a female lead, but she really was right for the part.
Cain acted like a Sith Lord Vader! Executing anyone who fails. Whereas Adama was like a Jedi Obi Wan !
I LOVE the actress (loved her on Star Trek also) but her character was just straight up evil. It was the only time a rooted for the Cylons lol. I thought a soldier was suppose to protect the civilians not slaughter them.
Cain's reasoning was that towing around a bunch of useless (in her opinion) civilians was dead weight that would get them all killed. She cherry picked everything and everyone she thought was useful to preserving civilization and left the rest behind. In a pretty obvious metaphor, the Pegasus is Sparta and Galactica and the democratic fleet is Athens.
My only problem with this arc is that Roslin for once, and only once maybe, didn't play up her part as she should. She was the president of the colonies, de facto military commander in chief of the fleet, even if the day to day military ops of the fleet wasn't run by her. Adm. Cain might have been Adama's senior and superior, but Roslin was her superior, in turn. In that meeting in Colonial One Roslin doesn't even mention that - she just goes on to tell Cain that she could fight Galactica or compromise - no, m'lady, she either could and should stand down under direct orders from her CiC to do so, and shut the eff up, or she could and should stand immediately relieved from command and arrested in wait for a court martial for insubordination and rebellion against the lawful authority (her commander in chief no less).
It's obvious that Cain didn't bother to recognize the authority of Roslin to begin with - but still Roslin should've played that card and made it clear that if she disobeyed she'd be in open rebellion against the established, actual, authority in command in that scenario (the government of the colonies), which would've gone a long way to put her whole hold over Pegasus at risk ,for probably a good chunk of that ship's crew would have serious problems about serving under an officer in open rebellion.
Besides, and again, they were in Colonial One. Cain should've been reprimanded, given the chance to follow the direct orders of the CIC of the fleet, and had she refused, IMMEDIATELY arrested. The only way she should've been allowed to go back to Pegasus would've been if she had comprehensively made clear she aknowledged she was not the girl in charge AT ALL, and that she recognized Roslin as the lawful authority she was bound to serve under (something she never did, btw). Refusal to do either would've meant the brig, court martial, removal of rank and command, and immediate promotion of Adama to the Admiral rank giving him command of both Galactica and Pegasus.
It's quite the flaw in the writing of an otherwise excellent arc, and a big let down from a character that elsewhere in the series was shown to have absolutely no issues in firmly showing who REALLY was in charge when in need to do so, even when in much more dangerous and extreme situations than the one at hand (Roslin)
Like the twist of making Cain Adama's superior , nice nod to original series when it was Adama's plan to integrate crews.
IMO, this is the absolute BEST SCI-FI show ever made and it is a CRIME that every single character on this show isn't working today. That said, what makes this show brilliant is that it perfectly captures the human condition. We have a liberal Commander and a Conservative Admiral deciding the very FATE of the human race......
She was my type goddamn
Ensign Ro has come a long way!
The problem with fast track promotions and that she had absolutely no combat experience. She lost her mind and was willing to go right to hell with everyone riding her coat tails
2.09 ..... "my Gods"
That S on the end is an amazing continuity detail.
For some it's 'Ozymandias', for others it's 'Battle of the Bastards'
For me, 'Pegasus' was the best hour of TV ever made.
She went from piloting the u.s.s. enterprise to commanding a battlestar
The best episodes in the series.
for me the Cain storyline was the height of the series. LOVE season 2!! i dont know what Ron Moore was thinking by season 4. still an awesome show and love re-watching it!
Admiral Cain was absolutely FRACKING INSANE.
She was a god damn Stalin, but I'd die for her.
I caught the handshake too,...but I wouldn't mind her being on top,.....I'd actually "prefer it"😂.
although i was never a big fan of this reboot i have to admit that this was a Hell of a good story arc.
Michelle Forbes would make a great Honor Harrington.
Isn't she a bit old for that?
Best science fiction show in my opinion to this day. Where is the Pegasus tv show? Come on Netflix? Must have Michelle Forbes can't do it without her 😁😀🤣😂😃😅😉
She says that "you're not my type" but she was.
Wait, when did Ensign Ro Laren suddenly get promoted to Admiral and why is Captain Picard now second in command...on a different starship to boot? And the Borg now have spies in the federation with no implants somehow. I really need to catch up. Anyone know when the reruns air so I can set my VHS timer to record?
phantasos12 😂😂😂
phantasos12 😂😂😂
You still have VHS??????
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@@KWY007 🙄🙄🙄🙄
5:50 She is no longer detached, she is right with the new civilian government who commands both her and Adama. At this point Cain doesn't care about anything else but keeping power for herself but finally met someone who won't bow down to her or flinch when she makes threats.
My fave BSG episode ... mainly because of the music!
Adama: "I'm getting my big salad!"
Razor was so underrated
Cain was a great character, the only thing I would hold against her writing is that execution of her XO. I think most people understand it again as "cold calculation" and no tollerance for insubordination. I would first claim it was excesively wasteful, a demotion, removal from the bridge crew or even brig would be all better choices. But most importantly - her XO did not openly disobey her order. To her direct question, he replied "I cannot follow the order with good conscience" or something along the lines. The only acceptable response from Cain would be to inform him, that his conscience is irrelevant and ask him again - because he failed to answer the question. Yet she shoots him. That doesnt fit her perfectly measured cold logic. She must have "missed" it and I dont think she would.
Cain was ruthless, dude!
Man that Thumbnail really shows Michelle Forbes’ crazy eyed Admiral Cain lol
Why? Why am I attracted to her? She's not "classically beautiful" but she's got something... That command authority and that aura of power she projects is so damn sexy. Is something wrong with me?
Nope, history records many women that were not classically good looking but alluring because they were powerful and capable.
“Your not my type”
Well she was for a while 😂
You're*
It was a very interesting choice to flip the Pegasus situation around from what it was in the classic series. For those who have only seen this version, the original series also featured the return of the Battlestar Pegasus, under the command of Commander Cain, played by Kirk Douglas. However where Admiral Cain outranked Adama in the new series, in the original it was the other way around - Adama, as both a Commander and as a member of the Quorum of Twelve, outranked Cain. There was still a conflict, but it was for completely different reasons - where Adama was cool-headed and preferred to avoid the Cylons, Cain had been waging guerilla war against the Cylons since the colonies fell and strongly disagreed with Adama's choices, even planning a mutiny of his own and deliberately sabotaging a plan that would have allowed them to avoid the Cylons while still accomplishing their goals because he wanted a fight. In the end, he sacrifices himself and the Pegasus to save Adama and the fleet, though his daughter survived and joined Galactica's Blue Squadron and became a potential romantic interest for Apollo. The changes made between series fascinate me, how similar and yet wildly different they are. Classic Pegasus only lasted two episodes while the modern Pegasus lasted significantly longer, yet in the end both were sacrificed to protect Galactica and the fleet.
In the original series Commander Cain was played by Lloyd Bridges (Beau and Jeff's Father) not Kirk Douglas.
@@patcrowder608 my bad, not sure how I got those mixed up!
@@joshuahartman3132 No Harm, No Foul. Honest mistake.
The Pegasus could of been a spin off series, would of been great.
exactly or at lest a mini seri
she was an admiral and much capable military leader than Odama
The Pegasus was a better ship also
She was bad and a little mad but I'd want her on my side in a fight.
one miss step and she'll blow you brains out too, with no questions ask.
8:05 The "wonderful" Admiral Cain. Fortunately, her "reign" is thankfully short.
Fuck man... I remember the days when I still played video games... playing with a great man(he was a U.S. Marine on active in the barracks)on the night of Pegasus return... I don’t remember how but we fell into a soft but swiftly intensifying conversation about Battlestar Galactica. He said at one point, “I thought I was the only one who liked that stupid show.” But as he said it with such soft consistency and yet such channeled determination of some notion of deep meaning and a innate and instantaneous feeling... we kind of both silently realized we are both at home here. This was OUR show. It was so strong and certain that in that moment we both realized we used those actors that did those roles too hold up who and what we were in those unique times. At the point in time... we came to realize... that because of this silly little show... we were fuckin alright for a while. I remember that night, having a drink(a bottle, round as fuck but mentally it was a hexagon) and all those lovelies of ours that rocked our world in a way that can’t be unmade ever... there importance. Katie Sackoff, Edward James Olmos, Tricia Helfer, Grace Park, Mary McDonald, Jamie bamber, Micheal Hogan, James Callis, Aaron Douglas, Tamoh Pinekett, the mighty Alessandro Juliani and one of the worlds most lovely humans, the edifying Kandyse McClure...! What a daydream 💭 anyway... names I shouldn’t forget(Ronald D. Moore){I’m not mentioning David and his Godamned Lamps! Psssh} Ohh Rekha Sharma and Leah Cairns and Nikki Clyne and Kerry Norton and Keegan Conor Tracy and Alison Down, Eileen Peede, Alison Down, the wondrous Tyffany Lyndall-Knight , Lara Gilchrist, the stunning (absolutely stunning) Luciana Carro... what was I thinking of? Do I want to think of anything else? Graced with the presence of people like Lucy Lawless, Kate Vernon, Bodie Olmos, Micheal Trucco, Donnelly Rhodes, Callum Keith Rennie and Mathew Bennet, the greatest guys I ever seen Sam Witwer and Warren Christie, The fabulous Ryan Mcdonell and the fantastic Dominic Zamprogna! Sebastian Spence and Colin Lawrence! Lorena Gale! Dean Stockwell of coarse! He intensified the show in a way that it became transcendent after it had just transcended! Such a magical thing and all the rest of the family. It can be expressed only one way and that is family. And God did Michelle Forbes come in and steal the whole show for a while... even from Katie James and Jamie and Tricia and Grace... that’s not easy to do. In short... in terms of acting... it was the greatest quality I’ve ever seen... and when it comes to works of art... what all of you people did... and for the likes of all of us... it’s a cherished memory that became a force to help shape the history of the world. And from people like me to people like Elon Musk... you effected us very deeply, and enriched the human story and I just thought one person could remind you all how important you are to all of us. Thank you from all of our hearts. Your fans and the blissfully ignorant. We love you. So we all say it.
6 is standing like 3 feet from Cain, Cain could easily grab the gun. The only question is, could she divert the aim enough before the weapon discharged. Frankly I don't care what the answer is, she should have at least attempted to take the weapon! Now I admit, I am pretty sure the gun would fire before Cain could divert it's aim away from her head, but at least have her try!
Haven't seen this ep on the tube or have the seasons' dvd but in this clip I see a small bit of fisheyeing which indicates one of those depth of field camera staging framing things where it looks like they were close when there may have been 6,7,8,or 9' of separation . So the weapon may have been out of reach for a grab.
She flinched
As good as the Cain arc turned out to be in the end, there was still a major plot hole that the show never addressed - as President Roslin could have simply relieved Cain of her command after the initial showdown between Pegasus and Galactica, perhaps even going as far as having her security detail arresting Cain on Colonial One. It would have made for a much more dramatic and shocking twist, before Cain eventually was returned to her command of Pegasus for whatever reason before or during the attack on the Resurrection Ship. The rest of her story arc could have then followed the same line to her death at the hands of the captured Six.
Could've happened yes, but a character not having an idea isn't a plot hole
@@maoad_dib The plot hole is ignoring that Cain wasn't actually, "In Command" as Adama and Cain both implied/indicated when Pegasus first joined the fleet. Again, Roslin, as the lawful President of the Colonies, was. Cain may have taken Adama's slot as "military" leader, but she still should have been subservient to the civilian leadership of the fleet. It was a major missed opportunity I would say, for the writers to explore how Admiral Cain would have reacted to no longer being an end in and of herself, able to do whatever she liked absent any consequences.
@@looneyburgmusic I see where you're coming from, Cain could have been arrested and relived of duty, but on what grounds? At that point it was Adama who was mutinous against his admiral. It's a tough one because I think the way they played it was very in character for all three of them. To me the fact that Roslin so much as got them to the same table shows she did exercise her command to the extent either of them would listen to it. Plus we know from Lee's command that Pegasus doesn't respond well to outsiders, so is hard to say what the rest of the ship would've done if "a school teacher" arrested the highest ranking military officer in the Fleet
@@maoad_dib Guess I was hoping new BSG would have expanded a bit on what original BSG did with Cain, but had only barely scratched the surface being it was 70's campy BSG... The whole Adama/Cain personal conflict was a potential goldmine for the kind of sci-fi drama new BSG was doing... they could have stretched the arc out over most of the season if they had really wanted to, seriously turn the entire fleet upside down for a while, then blown everything up at the end... Oh well.
@@looneyburgmusic I haven't completed the original series yet, but I do agree I wish Cain had survived longer-even a 5-episode arc would've been welcome. But it makes sense that they wanted her gone before New Caprica and the election. Can you imagine what this show would've been if they had even one more of her instead of Black Market though.......
Michelle Forbes as Admiral Daala in Star Wars should be a thing, not by just voice actress but in character in front of Grand Admiral Thrawn played by Jeremy Irons, and their both would make the most memorized Imperial oficer to oficer chat in Star Wars history. She`s the best and She would be the a star of star trek, star wars, battlestar galactica in each as amazing character.
Michelle Forbes is a legend in whatever role she plays...
A powerful female character , I thought at the time and watching her again now :)
6:34 This reminds me so much of couples therapy.
She did leave her sister at the hands of the cylons because during the first war
Doing so likely damaged her psyche, leading her down the dark path of the sociopathy she clearly displayed.
Michelle Forbes - another great actor that got their start on Guiding Light.
The reign of Cain makes the fleet feel pain. The fleet's real pain is mainly caused by Cain.
Didn't Lloyd Bridges play Cain in the 70's BG?
Best Commander Cain ever. the Reboot is the worst thing ever done. They did it to Star Wars, they did it to Star Trek and they did it here. SJWs need to be shot as soon as they try to rewrite history.
Yes he did
jediknight38, in the original BSG, Lloyd Bridges played Commander Cain, and was junior to Commander Adama. That version of Cain had more integrity, compassion, and honor in his pinky nail than Helena Cain had in her whole body.
SABREWOLF, the reimagining of Glen Larson’s Battlestar Galactica was far more realistic in terms of the dangers and reality of facing extinction at the hands of a mortal enemy they the original was.
With that in mind, Helena Cain ultimate motivation was self-preservation; everyone else be damned.
Admiral Cain should have understood that military protocols as they existed before the Twelve Colonies were all but decimated by the second generation Cylons should have been put aside. Her Battlestar was capable of manufacturing vipers, possibly even raptors and even more so replacement components for a battlestar’s FTL drive without cannibalizing the civilian ships entrusted to her. She was a murdering, raping whore, and she got what she ultimately deserved: justice at the hands of a Cylon Number Six whose rape and torture she authorized.
"SABREWOLF" Now I thunk I get it. Name's a dead giveaway , kinda like when a 300# guy's called "Tiny" or an under 5' may be called "Stretch" in that they are the opposite. Same as the screenname. Like in online dating profiles, the "image" of what is wanted to appear. Beginning to also think that perhaps "wolf" may be closer to"wulf" in the language used by that early 1940's themed party back in the Old Country where a party was on its Fourth go round.
The reign of Caine stays mainly in the plain.
6:33-7:02, Adama and Cain in the principal's office.
This was such a fucking good show.
mason handshake at 1:33
As Commander in Chief President Roslin could have demoted Cain or removed her from command
And how would Roslin have enforced that order?
Why are the civilians like Baltar wearing earth fashion when they've never been to earth?
Even Adama said he would've done exactly the same as her if Lee wasn't there to reflect him for his actions.
Adama also said that nothing of her actions was flawed from military point of view.
Cain was legendary and about the interrogator, you cannot rape a machine, specially one that killed 800 of her men.
That machine deserved even worst than what she's got, and just look what she did after Baltar released her, killed even more people and caused chaos.
Cain had to do what she had to do and that's why the Pegasus survived, no one could fit into her gigantic shoes after she was murdered.
I’ve always been dubious on Adama!s claim and thought that Cain was a deeply unreliable narrator in her logs, because you can never convince me Adama would have made the same calls she made