Battlestar Galactica | A Rigged Election
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Laura Roslin rigs the Presidential election because she does not trust Gaius Baltar.
Season 2, Episode 20 "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2" - After a controversial election, it seems the humans and Cylons may have brokered peace. Until a Cylon force arrives, announcing a new dawn.
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For all the debates on what should or should not have been done, what amazes me more than anything else?
That this fleet, launched into deep space without preparations of any kind, managed to put together paper ballots.
There’s an agricultural/botanical ship in the fleet. It grows a lot of the fleet’s food so it likely provides the materials for all the paper products.
@@bsgfan1 There is another clip where Adama and Teigh are laughing about people no longer eating paper because there is a paper shortage.
Also, what kind of industrial capacity can this fleet really have especially without a source for raw materials?
Lets forget that 50k mouths to feed is a huge amount, even at say 1500 calories a day, that's 75 million calories a day or, to keep it simple, almost 1.1 million slices of wheat bread a day.
The writers didn't take logistics into consideration in way, so I guess magically coming up with paper ballots isn't that much of a stretch.
@@tomb7942 A lot of the larger ships are stated to have recycling rigs that produce horrible nutrient bars which most of the fleet eats
After the whole algae planet sub-pot a huge portion of the fleet eats what is essentially protein goo with recycled nutrients in it
Plus they had many ships capable of growing stuff including the huge Cloud 9 until it got nuked
@@thomasprice7893 I mean you do what you have to do, but that has to take a toll on moral.
Why would the Colonial Fleet even have that system in place? No modern navy would even consider it.
The 12 Colonies should have been able to provide more than enough foodstuffs to feed the fleet.
Sounds like plot armor to me.
@@tomb7942 i think you forgot about the existence of other, more caloric foods.
I was unaware that RUclips took an election in Battlestar Galactica so seriously
You should see Twitter. Every one of Baltar's tweets gets flagged.
@Artemisia Vulgaris OMFG this comment is pure GOLD !!
@Artemisia Vulgaris Bowltahr!
@Artemisia Vulgaris You win.
Literally everything.
Including life.
What's really amazing is that this was made in 2004, 16 years before the contested election of 2020
6:00 "he's working for cylons.." - A similar phrase will play with completely different colors at the end of the series.) I feel sorry for Lieut. Gaeta and Dualla more than the others, I almost cried.
Felix made a bad choice ...But it is REALLY hard to blame him .
Laura's reasoning was flawed: she saw Baltar with a Cylon, but at the time nobody knew that humanoid Cylons existed. She has no ground for accusing him of "working with the Cylons" and he really didn't know at the time. The irony is that, now they do know Cylons can look like humans, yet both Laura and Adama have a Cylon as their closest aide and never realize it...
I was a radio operator in the Marines. I used the handsets that are used throughout this series. I liked that quite a bit!
They're definitely authentic.
I'm looking for that clip where Tom Zarek, right before both of them were set to be executed, asks Roslin if she tried to steal the election. I think it would be a fitting coda to this clip.
It’s a nice moment between them that deepens the working relationship between the two, particularly how at the end of that conversation when the execution squad moves in, Zarek tries to push Roslin behind him. Despite how his story ended I appreciated how nuanced his character could be like that
If Baltar haven’t became president of the colonies, new Caprica would have never been settle and the Pegasus still intact.
True but it's also his fault for giving that 6 a nuke and cylon tracing that explosion.
Also, I love how there’s a RUclips fact check on this video
That is interesting.
If that doesn't tell you how broken RUclips systems are I don't know what will. :p
Yeah that cracked me up, I'm surprised there aren't all kind of comments saying how this proves trump actually won lol
Stop noticing things
@@drgonzo305 Not gonna lie, I would not be surprised if Trump supporters used this video of a fictional tv show to argue about the election results 🤦♂️
"It has been my observation that one of the prices of giving people freedom of choice... is that sometimes, they make the wrong choice." -Odo.
Democracy ladies and gents. You take the good with the bad, or not at all.
This is fiction. 99 times out of 100, people make the right choice, but it robbed from them by their so-called representatives. Democracy is a sham. For anything of importance people never get their way - they aren't even asked.
Democracy is the rule of fools, the oppression of the minority by the majority. It's not a good system.
exactly same with Trump lol
That's not how this works. At all. Democracy doesn't work with the "I cast a ballot, choose a president and then let him or her do stuff until the time to cast another ballot arrives". There are several organs, tribunals, chambers, and a very, very elaborate chain of burcracy that should work as representation that we, the regular folks, should be allowed to use, and if that doesn't work, we can make campaigns, protests, etc.
Democracy is the rule of the people. The people have a lot of ways to express their opinion in a democratic way. A protest, as much as it shocks most of you, is one. As long as it doesn't become a violent revolt or a coup, that's the hearth of democracy as much as the parliament, the elections and all of that. We do have a lot of power as regular folks in a democracy, and many doesn't know them because they doesn't want to know them. They just cast a ballot, and then complain about things gonne wrong because "democracy doesn't work". It's like complaining about a car not working without knowing that it needs fuel.
You don't like how things work? Take the streets. Gather signatures, do a campaign, make yourself notice. But don't complain about how "democracy is dying" from your sofa while listening to some no brain idiot of FOX TV or whatever. One guy with a frakin RUclips channel can have a lot of power. A simple campaing or a protest can ignite a very significative change. That's how democracy works.
@@Veridiano02 Oh well if that's all it takes then no wonder so many democracies around the world are being run by competent patriotic folk with the complete support and esteem of the people.
Democracy is indeed the rule of the people, and if the majority of the people ARE of the "I cast a ballot, choose a president and then let him or her do stuff until the time to cast another ballot arrives" mindset, then that is the rule that will be in place. And increasingly the vast chain of organs, tribunals and, most importantly, bureaucracy designed to stop governments becoming corrupt, self serving spin artists, is instead being used to INCREASE the feelings of "All I can do is cast my vote and hope because the system's too complicated for me to engage with" in the general populace.
And as for "As long as it doesn't become a violent revolt or coup" that is, sadly, exactly the stance taken by governments around the world because most things short of that are easily ignored, suppressed or misdirected. Hell, America, the poster boy of Democracy since its inception, was born of violent revolution the moment it became apparent that protests and politeness wasn't getting them anywhere. Because of the previously mentioned bureaucracy, people CAN gather signatures, campaign, protest, and the government can go "we've heard your demands and we will take steps to execute them" and everyone involved pats themselves on the back and goes back to their regular lives as the demands are fed into a labyrinthine bureaucratic network of committees, civil servants, review boards, analysts, and while it bounces around in there with all the others, some new disaster or event occurs at home or abroad to take the people's attention away and then an election occurs inevitably (Usually with candidates promising to "write the wrongs of the previous administration") and the original demands are quietly waved off as "lost during the reshuffle" (Or more likely generalized into "sweeping reforms" that always seem to be just over the horizon").
It's a nice idea that one person with a youtube channel can still make relevant change, but it's optimistic to the point of naivete. To pluck a (Semi) Recent example of the people "Rising up" to affect change, what did Occupy Wallstreet actually accomplish? The people came together against the fact that the vast majority of them were living in poor to terrible conditions while an elite minority were living large at their expense, that the Economy which everyone relied on was in the hands of greed mad cretins utterly removed from the idea of struggling to make ends meet and living paycheck to paycheck. And I can't help but notice that unhappy state of affairs is still the case.
Hell, in more recent history. The "January 6 capitol attack" (A Grandiose title if ever their was one for a few madlads expressing their displeasure for the aforementioned overly complex impenetrable system they felt, rightly or wrongly, had cheated them.) was the closest we've come in recent history to any kind of meaningful attempt to express the genuine will of the people, and what did it accomplish? Nothing because America has become so polarized (Another state of affairs fostered by the government, since Divide and Conquer is as effective now as it was in the ancient world) that it was expressing the will of roughly _Half_ the people, the media (who contribute mightily to the control of the government but that's another topic entirely.) made it out to be a shameful, evil attack on the very concept of democracy, and anyone involved in it has been steadily identified and prosecuted piecemeal since then.
And hell, even IF someone running for high office in a western democracy has genuine high ideals of cutting through red tape, serving the people and making a difference, he can't. Because the complex system traps him as much as it traps the public, his "colleagues" certainly won't support any moves that discomfort their cushy positions, and the term limits (Another feature imposed with the best of intentions to stop corruption, twisted to its benefit) means that he simply doesn't have TIME to make any credible change because working through all that red tape and backlog far exceeds the precious few years he has for work (Which, again to use America as an example, is 4, 8 if he's lucky, and realistically much less than that because much of the time in the first 4 years will be spent campaigning to be around for the NEXT 4 years.)
"The West Wing" is a lovely, optimistic view of modern Democracy.
"Yes Minister" is a far more accurate view of modern Democracy (Somewhat Ironic I know since it was set decades ago, but little has changed since then, more's the pity).
Battlestar Galactica seems, in my opinion, to be pretty on point for the ramshackle, held together by gum and good intentions, democracy you would get in what is, essentially, a spaceborn refugee camp nominally under the military's control in all but name. And, subsequently, one VERY abusable by a skilled orator with enough ambition.
How timely... 😁😆😂🤣
Those outerspace mail in ballots, gotta watch em’ 🤣
Lt Gaeta always had integrity.
A shame what happened to him in the end.
Until he didn’t…
@@mkv2718 He staged a mutiny because he was convinced that Adama was a traitor who was about to ally with the race that had been trying to kill humanity. Gaeta has integrity but not always nuance.
@@hagamapama are you including the people he fed to 'sweet 8' on New Caprica because he wanted his own Sharon?
Whoever runs this account has a twisted sense of humor.
Too soon, man.... too soon
I just finished this show.. I can't get enough.
Did you watch Razor and The Plan both are part of the series
Where would they get mountains of paper on a space ship?
pulping old paper
Wow, fact checked. I wonder if the potatoes that run RUclips are proud of their potato algorithm? Lol
The timing of this video!
I think the algorithm just looked for the keywords. And lets be honest, this is kind of hitting home isn't it?
Galactica stayed off the grid for a reason.
BSG was huge dafuk u on about? Lol
LOL, RUclips has fact checked this video!!
Didn't know the colonies had an electoral college.
Shoulda followed through. Woulda saved 5000 lives and a Battlestar.
Lol, exactly!! Plus it would have spared Galactica all the damage from the Adama Maneuver (as badass as it was) and the ensuing pounding she took!
Then, as you say, it would have also spared at least another 5k lives PLUS Pegasus .... I mean Baltar was such a self-serving snake for much of the series (his redemption came later, though he was still solely responsible for a holocaust of 60billion lives), I'm amazed anyone could have voted for him, but heck look at US now!
Most they should have done was limited shore leave on New Caprica for a little while, take on fresh supplies, and then move on.
They would have been on a MUCH MORE solid footing with Pegasus and a less-damaged Galactica going forward.
Easy to say, with future knowledge.
That is speaking from hindsight
And I dont have to point out the numerous times in our history where people rigged elections or ended democracies because they believed "I know it better then everyone else"
A core part of democracy is that it is the peoples decision, including all the bad ones. There is no compromissing on that, ever.
@@Jayce1701 It's entirely possible that the Cylons could have achieved the same thing, just with somewhat greater losses, without Baltar's compromising of the network.
@@williambrennan104 it's certainly possible, and I don't want to scapegoat Baltar either, but if someone had done the same today he would most certainly be put on trial for war crimes and genocide, then most likely executed.
The Nuremberg Trials certainly had no problem holding the guilty accountable and putting bodies in the ground.
To the point about the Cylons infiltrating without his assistance, it is possible since they are a race of computers, but they still found it more expedient to cheat and get Baltar to help than to plug and chug and crack it themselves -- seems humanity was actually pretty good at out-computing the computers, afterall! ;)
Though the simplest, and more fire-hard way to eliminate that threat is to just unplug the network, as Adama did-- doesn't cost much and it's garunteed to work!
Heck, we might want to take that lesson to heart with this "internet of things"!
Well this is some timing. Lol p
Wait why did my mind know to search for battle star Galactica but this was uploaded 50 minutes ago during a contested election wtffff is going on. We do not have consensus
One week away for UK election watching this 😆
So that’s how it went down.
We're
There is no President of the Twelve Colonies. The Colonies are gone!
Does art imitate life? Or does life imitate art?
Good question.
All this has happened before...
All of this has happened before and will happen again
Most times it's neither. Art, just like in this scene, has no relation to life whatsoever.
IT'S STEADY STATE
US election 2020.... 🤣
This has happened before, it just happened again...
Colonial dominion software
Dominion has entered the chat
Where does the paper come from?
Same place all the booze comes from.
paper ballots in space? c'mon guys
I can't decide who you're trolling by posting this tbh.
I think it troll both sides. lol
Who's here in 2020?
What a coincidence.
Zarek should have dropped the whole thing so that Laura could have won. Because things were better with her as president.
President Trump is colluding with the cylons
the commissars running youtube need to check their algorithms.
Trump must’ve saw this episode.
And he we are
I love how when the good guys get confronted over cheating they actually own up, Unlike real life. Maybe the real life people that cheated aren't the good guys and they don't have a soul?
@NihlusGreen Better than 49 years of lying Biden.
@@rv2167 Well according to Kamala diring the DNC primaries Biden is a racist and a sexual abuser so....
@@KillerofGods and yet she jumped right into bed with him at the opportunity to be the VP. We've been scraping the slime from the bottom of the barrel the last 4 years there's nothing left but rotted wood. Time for a new barrel.
@@jeffburnham6611 this aged poorly.
@@warthunder9155How so, Orange Julius Ceasar?
According to youtube apparently Joe Biden won the election and became president of the colonies! LMFAO!
Cylon Joe cheated!
@@Ubu987 there is ONLY one Joe Biden. :P
Can we send him over there?
And now milk is 20 cubits a gallon and don't even ask about tillium
"Wow so relevant today!"
No, in Battlestar they undid it at the last second for the sake of morality.
So bsg version of donald and hillary
RUclips _"fact checking"_ a fictional election. 😂🤡
An extremely timely video...funny how life imitates art.
Official sources have dismissed this comment, most secure election in history!
It really doesn't. People who steal elections, or better yet, just deny people their say entirely, always pat themselves on the back as the people's moral betters. They never have a crisis of conscience and bend to the will of the people. If ever the powerful make one concession to the people, it's because they're forced to.
Not for nothing, but look up the Battle of Athens, Tennessee.
I would have done a recall election. Gaeta needed to keep his mouth shut instead of kissing his boyfriend’s(Baltar’s) butt.
Hellloooooo. Long live skynet. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“I’ve seen a lot of elections and you can tell when it’s a fixed one because it doesn’t make sense, and this one doesn’t make sense” Even in the nuclear apocalypse, The fleet has more transparent elections than a certain country.
according to visions verified by anonymous sources in the intelligence community, Baltar paid two Cylon hookers to pee on a Caprican hotel bed that Adama once slept in
Yeah, you knew that one dunderhead would get there eventually. Tell you what, Sport: why don’t you go ahead and ask Ron Moore if he thinks the election was stolen from Trump?
Also actually predicting what happened in Georgia
Given the current political climate in the United States I get the implications of what I’m about to say. This has nothing to do with Biden or Trump… and please don’t bring it into the comments. I would have rigged the election for Laura. 😂. Baltar should never have been president
She's the definition of a certain party voter. Art imitates life. 😮
No
When all of the comments are either making jokes about the video's timing, or spreading propaganda because they're still salty about the election...
Art imitates life.
I am enjoying the angry trump supporters in the comments section. Lol
Still laughing?
@Douglas Pantera Yes
Yes it is true election fraud 2020
Thanks for the inflation. What a joke.
@@felicixYou mean, the rate of inflation that’s lower than all but a handful of industrial nations? The inflation that was mostly the result of supply chain disruptions brought on by a global pandemic and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine? You’re welcome.
Didn't some of the Biden ballets have mispellings?
Doesn't trump stay in power here? Cuz cylons?
Trump is a cylon. A zero model.
@@CEOkiller That means Biden is a hybrid? That would explain why can’t speak in coherent sentences.
Kind of like 2020 !