things I learned from this video: -great spin attacking doesn't trigger the sound floors -you can stun Phantoms with the hammer -you can attack and kill Phantoms from the front neat edit: thing I just learned on my own Either killing all 9 phantoms on B13 or entering the final room before the boss chamber in a run effectively removes the curse on the temple until you leave: the hourglass won't drain when you're outside a safe zone anymore. (You can still lose time if hit by a phantom though)
You probably already know this but the run wasn't done by a human. TAS is a Tool Assisted Speedrun that is used on emulators to input commands in the game from each frame. Making an almost perfect run
Almost 8 years later (and tool assisted) but I have to say, well done! I never understood why people hated the Temple of the Ocean King so much, especially when you had the checkpoint for easy revisits and could even skip an entire trip fairly easily by getting both of the eastern sea charts in one trip. Who knows, maybe we'll get a PH (and ST?) remake sometime in the future where it fixes some issues. Would love to see additional/perhaps even alternative floors added, depending on the route and items you use. Never knew the Great Spin Attack didn't trigger those sound/noise floors, I'd call it a bug but something like that seems almost like an intentional decision.
The main issue, even with that midway point, is that you have to go through the same flooors every single time. Sure, the new tools you got between visits do allow you to clear the rooms faster and in newer ways, which is why the midway point is still fairly pointless. Spirit Tracks' Tower of Spirits is a central dungeon that you visit multiple times throughout the story, yes, but unlike TOTOK, you don't ever have to redo sections you already did unless you want some extra treasure.
Actually it's better for you if you don't use the checkpoint since your next visit you'll have more time than what you did if you used it. So yeah there's literally nothing worth saving from this game, heck some of the most annoying stuff from Skyward Sword comes from this if you think about it.
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew I do agree with that sentiment, but Ill be honest, I prefer TOTOK over Tower of Spirits for that reason. The fact that you had to do the same rooms over and over again in Ocean King is the entire point of the dungeon. The game is about drawing notes on the map for later, and the point is that you're supposed to write down everything you think is important to have a faster time on your later runs. With Tower of Spirits though, its simply a dungeon you have to go back to and complete it in chunks. It doesn't expand on the DS's features or any of the gimmicks in the game, and while it did have the whole Zelda as a Phantom Gimmick (which frankly, the brighter atmosphere, lack of time limit, and light vessel mechanic really took away the presence Phantoms had in Phantom Hourglass), the dungeon overall felt like a mega dungeon just for the sake of retaining the mega dungeon idea, while getting rid of the whole point of having a mega dungeon.
The better parts of the temple mirror the better parts of Majora’s Mask. Lots of planning and optimization through repeat visits, having to regain progress but having new tools to get it done more efficiently. It’s not about stumbling through a number of dungeons, it’s about getting really good at clearing one. And then the cherry on top of getting the Phantom Blade and being able to kill the phantoms, mm, so good. I love this game.
I'm beating it with 25 minutes on repeat to get those Golden ship parts that are so hard to find. Got 4 of em, only missing 1 non Golden part (The anchor in the vintage set). I never thought of using the swordsman's scroll and slashing the bombs! However, the way up there looked like a lot of work, especially B1-B6 where using 0:00 is easy. For me the hardest part is B9 trying to avoid getting hit by the phantom and those orange creatures. Those 15 seconds can kill ya! But just go after the phantom first while carrying the circle so you don't make noise. And for B12 don't hesitate to drop the force gems a little earlier to avoid losing 15 seconds to the orange creatures. Other than that do planning for the gold pots, don't smash the last gold one until right near the last door and you're good.
I was doing the totok for fun all the time. I was getting better movement each time and the movement from this bot in the video was similar to mine. Did the same travel path and shaped blocks. Fast totok times everytime. It was nothing. It's actually not that big of a temple but was very cool. Coming back to the totok for further exploration was cool. Don't see how people will choose spirit tracks (slow@$$ train, flute blowing game) over Phantom Hourglass which was better in every way. Even the rolling
Disagree on the rolling, but yeah ph is such a good game. I can see why you'd prefer st, i actually prefer it a little bit just because the dungeons are more interesting, but the tower of spirits gets way too hard and annoying, the game has too much padding and is in general shorter and with less dungeons and the story, while cool, literally appears just before the final two dungeons, while in ph after roughly half of the game you went to the ghost ship and got told more of the story with the three more dungeons after that.
damn boi i know by the top of my head how to get 25:00 and the bot did not follow that method at all and yet he made it holy moly great job with this tas
I love the Temple of the Ocean King, but do you know what would have made it perfect? Make it possible to do this on your very first visit, but make it incredibly difficult to the point where it might as well be TAS only. That way you’re incentivized to get more sand to fill the hourglass along with the items that let you sequence break. It would be like a metroidvania mixed with a roguelike.
Of course lmao. Without any sword abilities, you still have enough distance away from the bomb to hit it and not take damage, so of course hit that b!tc#
@@Numbdionysus734 Not really "program". TASers play though the games at very low framerates to achieve frame-perfect execution of tricks. This often requires many uses of save states.
This run was tool assisted, but not with hacks. Just a programmed character to make frame perfect movements. This run was for max time in the hourglass so no time was lost in it. Although this run was quick, it wasn't a run for fastest clear time of the actual temple.
@@Bloopiero I've done it before a few years back; with practice it isn't hard. The guy in the video skipped a lot of yellow pots; the big thing is just timing entering the very last room while collecting the +30 seconds. I'm also one of the minority who likes the temple, though, so keep that in mind.
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things I learned from this video:
-great spin attacking doesn't trigger the sound floors
-you can stun Phantoms with the hammer
-you can attack and kill Phantoms from the front
neat
edit: thing I just learned on my own
Either killing all 9 phantoms on B13 or entering the final room before the boss chamber in a run effectively removes the curse on the temple until you leave: the hourglass won't drain when you're outside a safe zone anymore. (You can still lose time if hit by a phantom though)
Matt Levine I think you can only kill them with the phantom Sword
@@XenobladeNerd I know, I just thought you still had to hit them in the back
@@mattalevine I'm pretty sure you still do unless they are stunned. So this makes the Hammer even better.
You didn't know any of those things?
Spin attack you mean swordsman's scroll?
way to grab the big gold rupee just to flex
I don't even bother with those as I have 9999 rupees
The clock literally never went under 24:00
Nice run!
You probably already know this but the run wasn't done by a human. TAS is a Tool Assisted Speedrun that is used on emulators to input commands in the game from each frame. Making an almost perfect run
I think he meant nice run robot
TAS is done by human, with the assistance of tools
I think this might be possible by human if you are perfect
I'll go sub-24 sometimes on B9 or B12. End result is what matters.
Lol, I was happy, when I made it to floor 6 in 0:00.
Almost 8 years later (and tool assisted) but I have to say, well done! I never understood why people hated the Temple of the Ocean King so much, especially when you had the checkpoint for easy revisits and could even skip an entire trip fairly easily by getting both of the eastern sea charts in one trip. Who knows, maybe we'll get a PH (and ST?) remake sometime in the future where it fixes some issues. Would love to see additional/perhaps even alternative floors added, depending on the route and items you use. Never knew the Great Spin Attack didn't trigger those sound/noise floors, I'd call it a bug but something like that seems almost like an intentional decision.
The main issue, even with that midway point, is that you have to go through the same flooors every single time. Sure, the new tools you got between visits do allow you to clear the rooms faster and in newer ways, which is why the midway point is still fairly pointless. Spirit Tracks' Tower of Spirits is a central dungeon that you visit multiple times throughout the story, yes, but unlike TOTOK, you don't ever have to redo sections you already did unless you want some extra treasure.
Actually it's better for you if you don't use the checkpoint since your next visit you'll have more time than what you did if you used it. So yeah there's literally nothing worth saving from this game, heck some of the most annoying stuff from Skyward Sword comes from this if you think about it.
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew I do agree with that sentiment, but Ill be honest, I prefer TOTOK over Tower of Spirits for that reason. The fact that you had to do the same rooms over and over again in Ocean King is the entire point of the dungeon. The game is about drawing notes on the map for later, and the point is that you're supposed to write down everything you think is important to have a faster time on your later runs. With Tower of Spirits though, its simply a dungeon you have to go back to and complete it in chunks. It doesn't expand on the DS's features or any of the gimmicks in the game, and while it did have the whole Zelda as a Phantom Gimmick (which frankly, the brighter atmosphere, lack of time limit, and light vessel mechanic really took away the presence Phantoms had in Phantom Hourglass), the dungeon overall felt like a mega dungeon just for the sake of retaining the mega dungeon idea, while getting rid of the whole point of having a mega dungeon.
Diego Medina Bruh wtf are you talking about
The better parts of the temple mirror the better parts of Majora’s Mask.
Lots of planning and optimization through repeat visits, having to regain progress but having new tools to get it done more efficiently. It’s not about stumbling through a number of dungeons, it’s about getting really good at clearing one.
And then the cherry on top of getting the Phantom Blade and being able to kill the phantoms, mm, so good. I love this game.
Not optimized and yet finished with a full Hourglass
Come on peeps
I'm waiting to see a full run through Phantom or Spirit with a TAS. Now that would be great.
Now that's how to beat the Temple of the Ocean King!
Tool-assisted-speedrun
i wish i could the ocean temple as fast as tasbot
Mobile users, it’s our time to shine
I'm beating it with 25 minutes on repeat to get those Golden ship parts that are so hard to find. Got 4 of em, only missing 1 non Golden part (The anchor in the vintage set). I never thought of using the swordsman's scroll and slashing the bombs! However, the way up there looked like a lot of work, especially B1-B6 where using 0:00 is easy. For me the hardest part is B9 trying to avoid getting hit by the phantom and those orange creatures. Those 15 seconds can kill ya! But just go after the phantom first while carrying the circle so you don't make noise. And for B12 don't hesitate to drop the force gems a little earlier to avoid losing 15 seconds to the orange creatures. Other than that do planning for the gold pots, don't smash the last gold one until right near the last door and you're good.
You can kill the orange creatures by throwing the force gems at them
i miss this game so much
Well. Counting all the time restores you collected...the tool finished the temple in 0 seconds.
I was doing the totok for fun all the time. I was getting better movement each time and the movement from this bot in the video was similar to mine. Did the same travel path and shaped blocks. Fast totok times everytime. It was nothing. It's actually not that big of a temple but was very cool. Coming back to the totok for further exploration was cool. Don't see how people will choose spirit tracks (slow@$$ train, flute blowing game) over Phantom Hourglass which was better in every way. Even the rolling
Disagree on the rolling, but yeah ph is such a good game. I can see why you'd prefer st, i actually prefer it a little bit just because the dungeons are more interesting, but the tower of spirits gets way too hard and annoying, the game has too much padding and is in general shorter and with less dungeons and the story, while cool, literally appears just before the final two dungeons, while in ph after roughly half of the game you went to the ghost ship and got told more of the story with the three more dungeons after that.
When I started spirit tracks the rolling threw me off because I usually double tapped to make sure I hit in phantom
Smh lost time grabbing the gold rupee
He wanted to flex
great job dude
damn boi i know by the top of my head how to get 25:00 and the bot did not follow that method at all and yet he made it holy moly great job with this tas
When you gotta save tara but REALLY gotta pee
Tetra
one word......."PRO"
le truc bizarre c'est que quand tu veux régler la qualité c'est 144p mais après t'as l'impression que c'est en 720 HD
Grappling hook can carry 3 items at once and can carry things faster if you get good at using it
Wow really?
Hey that's pretty cool
idk if yu know but on b2 yu can grab the key with a boomerang clip
That was cutting it a bit too close there. Good job though. You did it differently than I did.
Hey so quick question. I know this video is really old, but some of these gold pots aren't here when I play. Do they show up post game?
A few of them are in the paths of Phantoms, so they get smashed if you don't grab them quickly enough.
@@HelpTheWretched That's what I thought when I saw the one up there early on B7
@@HelpTheWretched wait phantom can do this I didn't know about it.
I love the Temple of the Ocean King, but do you know what would have made it perfect?
Make it possible to do this on your very first visit, but make it incredibly difficult to the point where it might as well be TAS only. That way you’re incentivized to get more sand to fill the hourglass along with the items that let you sequence break. It would be like a metroidvania mixed with a roguelike.
great
I got a 25:00 run non-TAS :D
BEYAAH BEYAAH BEYAAH *megaspin*
BEYAAH BEYAAH BEYA*wooshwooshwooshwooshwooshwoosh*
Wait.
You can hit your bomb to blow it up faster???
Of course lmao. Without any sword abilities, you still have enough distance away from the bomb to hit it and not take damage, so of course hit that b!tc#
I knew that bc I did that once out of curiosity but for this I completely forgot I could do that. I just go to a safe zone and use a bombchu.
I don't have a hammer, now what?
Suffer through B11F like the rest of us :P
How much practice did this take?
TAS
ツChestnut but the player still has to program the tas that's why he asked it the way he did
@@Numbdionysus734 Not really "program". TASers play though the games at very low framerates to achieve frame-perfect execution of tricks. This often requires many uses of save states.
Wow..
5:18 Same thing i would of done, aw hell naw
beyblade beyblade
Nice i had 5 sec to 6
And what does TAS stand for?
+Jeremy Midwinter Tool Assisted Speedrun (I think lol) meaning he used restore points and other cheaty stuff and the mistakes were cut out
Basically slowed the game so he could make precise movement and speed up again to normal speed later.
@@discotrain173 He didnt cut anything he was just running and this but was coded for months. It was done frame perfect
This run was tool assisted, but not with hacks. Just a programmed character to make frame perfect movements. This run was for max time in the hourglass so no time was lost in it. Although this run was quick, it wasn't a run for fastest clear time of the actual temple.
But is it RTA viable?
Aside from going into great spin mode right after picking up a key, yeah. Otherwise, it's only a matter of timing and speed.
Didn't this game have multiplayer ?
this game have multiplayer local and online mode
Why is this i my recommended?
i did this WITHOUT TAS or anything!!! =D
congrats!
im sure you have forgotten what this is
@@Bloopiero I've done it before a few years back; with practice it isn't hard. The guy in the video skipped a lot of yellow pots; the big thing is just timing entering the very last room while collecting the +30 seconds.
I'm also one of the minority who likes the temple, though, so keep that in mind.
I did this too and i demand attention for it
u cant finish the TOTOK without using any of ur items
7:38 why go for the gold rupee? wasting time
If time = money, money = time
Phoenix Animations was he going for highest hourglass time possible? or fastest cleartime ?
@@senpa1kush11 he went for the coolest one
Phoenix Animations “cool” mhm...well no hate this was a sexy run but that rupee is gonna bother me 😂
they started and ended with 25 minutes on the hourglass. in the end, no time was wasted!
Dude,If I'm starting phantom hourglass and died a lot of time in the first time I enter the temple
I can't imagine the entire dungeon
That's literally impossible, the first time you enter the temple there aren't even any phantoms
@@Mqstodon you don’t have the hourglass the 1st time as well so if you waste time you will die
Mid so very mid