Why do you keep comparing it to the carrack. The carrack is a dedicated explorer with a map room and drones for exploration. The Polaris explores about as good as any other ship of its size. Sticking a terrapin in it either doesn’t make it a dedicated exploration ship. By that logic all capital ships can be compared to a carrack
@@alandabyes but the Polaris won’t be as good as a carrack for exploration. And any capital ship can do what the Polaris does in exploration so comparing it to the carrack doesn’t make any sense
your disclaimer about "this is not a beginner ship video" I remember in 2018 being new to SC and watching beginner ship videos and coming across a Polaris video and thinking "I must have this ship" and about dying when I saw the price tag. (I think I only had a $50 Titan then) I have my $50 discounted Polaris CCU in hand. just need to unmelt a Carrack first.
its price is not crazy. ive been trying to tell people this for years but no one listens... you arent supposed to be going into this with the mindset of wanting to just buy a ship and if you are then youre dumb because all these will be available in game with in game currency that you can work up toward. theyve made this VERY clear multiple times. the reason these ships are priced as they are on their website is because you arent buying ships, your donating to the development of the game. the ships are just a way for them to thank you for supporting the development of this game. its called a CROWD FUNDED game for a reason. and if you really want to get spicey, the concept ships are what you can go for when they pop up to basically "cast your vote" and help support development of said ship and make it clear to them "we want this ship, please design it well". thats why you are called a CONCEPT BACKER when you do this. because you are financially backing the concept of that ship and supporting its development. whats nice about this is that if a ship is just plane stupid and no one likes it, then they likely wont bother if they see no one backing it. if their team has to choose between developing a ship no one put down money for or a ship that half the community has backed the concept of..... guess which ones coming to us? So with all that stated, the polaris price is not crazy. its not a coincidence that we saw them spit out just about every single seat and 2 seat fighter almost instantly but then take literal years to get anything close to capital class out to us. think about it. youre paying for the development of a much... MUCH larger ship. do you have any idea just how much more work, time, and funding has to go into creating a ship that size for a game like this? especially when everything is getting included in its creation down to the last warning label of a pipe under the very floor you walk on? and especially when compared to something like a little fighter? so, yea. there's alot more going on in a polaris than something like an avenger so it only makes sense its development cost will be substantially higher and therefor, concept backing price tag we have to pay to support it, would also be substantially higher. its only logical.
Decen overview of the Polaris, but you comparison is a bit lacking. Remember that Polaris is a Capital size ship, and the Carrack is a size Large ship. This will decide wich jump points these ship can use. Thus limiting Polaris movement options between systems. The Carrack also has a bit bigger SCU cargo capacity, and easier access. This will make the Carrack more suitable for deep space exploration. Along with superior fuel capacity in both Hydrogen and Quantum. In short they are not comparable. About a ship being suitable for Solo flying. For the moment and the future, is very hard to determine in this stage of SC development. But bigger the ship, more maintenance with repairing components and refueling/resupplying is needed. But hard to say how much of a difference. Along with the difference of a new just out of the store ship vs a old and battle scared ship. But currently, at this stage of the development almost every ship is able to be used solo. But in the future this will likely not be the case for many multi crew ships :)
"Souped up version of the carrack." Huh? The Carrack is an explorer. The Galaxy is a variant of the Carrack, but the Carrack is still its own thing. The Polaris is a combat corvette. The only ways that the Polaris is similar to the Carrack are that it can launch a smaller ship from its bay and is multicrew. Sticking a Terrapin in it does not make it an explorer. By that standard of logic, the Javelin is an explorer because it can support explorer ships. The Polaris cannot have its role changed by the ships it deploys, it is still a combat ship first, above and beyond everything else. The Perseus will be roughly 100-120 meters at max, even if they do scale it up in size. The Polaris is 160 meters. They aren't in the same class. Perseus is still a large ship, unless one of its components becomes capital class. The guns on the Polaris turrets are presently Size 4-5. It is possible that the size fives be scaled up to a size six on some of them. 5:30 I don't understand why you're comparing it to a Hammerhead and calling the Hammerhead a dedicated weapons platform, but not extending that to the Polaris as well. The Hammerhead is an anti-air, anti-fighter screener for capital ship groups. You fly a Hammerhead next to an Idris, which supports the Hammerhead with its larger turrets. The Polaris is a completely different role, its meant to kill large ships, other corvettes, and in groups, kill frigates, and operate on its own for extended periods. The Hammerhead's role is to kill fighters. Although it is definitely possible for it to be _used_ to kill bigger ships, that isn't the intended role. The Hammerhead is best put as a PDF ship. The Polaris is a patrol ship meant to range across the entire system. I don't have any issues with your takes on the medical bays. If every large ship doesn't have a medbay of its own, it should at least be able to support carrying a medical pisces or a medical ursa. Maybe that won't be the intent of the developers, but it should be able to from my point of view at the minimum. I think you're also underestimating the size of the Polaris' hangar bay, it would be able to easily support two Terrapins if they were flown very carefully and nestled in facing each other. That's actually a terrifying idea now that I think of it. Polaris pops into orbit, drops off two Terrapins filled with marines, then moves on? Yeah, that's kind of horrifying. I have no idea where you got your impressions. You're not bad or unintelligent in any way whatsoever for having them, I just do not understand where you're coming from at all, and that's got me baffled about this.
I will say this to add a point of exploration to the Polaris is that it has a much larger radar, seeing that its a patrol ship it makes sense for it to be used for exploration.
The size of the door is not the size of the hangar pad. The walls are sloped. Also, why would you even want to put a tank in a patrol ship? Also, how would you even get them in there or out? Stupid.
@@SpaceDad42 What you talking about? what hangar door you mean? You can open roof door and put in and out wherever you want including SRV itself. You ask why i need tank in patrol ship? Just simply to take it from one place to another it can be tank or anything else dosnt matter..
@@csdigitaldesign I've tryed too, not with nova but with centurion and its havyer than nova. Remember SRVs tractor not 100% functional right now it has only towing mode and you cant control tractor but still even with this mode i can easy pick up anything . SRV build to tow objects mutch havyer than nova.If you cant lift Nova you doing something wrong.
@@csdigitaldesign Ok i tryed Nova on Hurston and i guess its just bug it really can lift it. But you know what it can iift ballista and ballista havyer than nova so its a bug 100%
if a scorpius fit... it's might squeeze a cutlass...!!! and btw if the scorpius fit the terrapin fit quite well the terrapin is 20m lenght and 7.5m height and the scorpius is 32m lenght and 13m height so you can almost fit a terrapin sideway and fit another ship like a 125a
Polaris SCU is 432 as it was recently doubled so not far off from the Carrack's 456. And it will be even better for carring cargo than Carrack most likely due to the new cargo system coming into play soon. And untill the Carrack gets a rework it will be useless for cargo as it will be physicalized and not realistic to get out of the Carrack using tractor beams.
I think his comparison between Polaris and Carrack (yes, I have one) is correct. I'm not alone with that, as I think CIG views it that way too. People will use this ship, similar to the Carrack in these ways: Hangar, Medbed, Cargo/Vehicles In the current game, even getting a Hammerhead fully manned doesnt work. Meaning, even if you have the people, the game lacks the fluidity and stable play to use the Hammerhead as intended. Anyone who disagrees clearly hasnt played the game with an Org or ran multi-crewed ship combat. The Polaris, or really any large combat ship, wont be used for Combat for quite a long time. For the next 24-36 months, the Polaris will be a glorified Carrack.
I think there is not a real ship you can compare the Polaris to at this moment. - Hammerhead (115m) is an Anti-Fighter Fleet Support Ship with at max Large components like a Large Shield. - Carrack (126m) is a bespoke Long-Range Military Exploration and Scout vessel with Large components and a Large Shield. - Polaris (166m) is a First strike Fleet Escort and Patrol vessel aimed at combat with Large to Capital Ship combat and even with is small size it has Capital Components like a Capital Shield. So the Polaris with its Capital Shields is almost immune to Fighters, its turrets as said will be up gunned so it can hold its own against bigger ships. You must know that the Polaris is not a tank it is fast and nimble it needs to get into combat range of enemy capital ships unload its Torpedoes and get out of engagement envelop of the enemy ships asap. So it is has heavy fire power in front of the ship to punch true the enemy front line fighters and get to the enemy capital ships. It has very few guns in the back should the Polaris being chased by enemy fighters. Although the Polaris is still in Concept at the moment, and the tuning and changing of the components can still happen. This ship would be awesome if you have friends to play with it really like the Carrack could be a home in space.
Speaking of the polaris being "fast and nimble", it's tuned REALLY fast for a ship of its size, at least for the flybys it was, with a listed SCM speed of 210, and a boost of 400. This actually puts it in line with heavy fighters in terms of straight line speed. I imagine it's still much less maneuverable than that. But compared to an idris or javelin in the future, that'll be massively fast. I think its nav top speed was also like 900. Polaris rear/side guns as quad s3 seem pretty ideal for deterring enemy fighter/bomber strikes, though its primary defense will probably be fighters of its own. I will be interested in how far the main 3 turrets will be up-gunned.
Yes because a lot of work is going into this ship. Compare this for something like a Perseus which is near the same price and it looks like a joke. This ship is over developed.
This ship is meant to be flexible and adapt to the changing needs of the playerbase. If you don't fully develop it, it'll get left behind. How many ships in say, EVE Online never, ever get flown by anyone outside of a vanishingly minute minority of players who are only using them because they're stubborn? A significant amount. Star Citizen is trying to make that number be as close to zero as possible. I'd rather they overdo it, than half ass it. Never half ass two things. Whole ass one thing.
You are mistaken when you compare the Polaris and the Carrack. A better comparison would be between Polaris and The Odyssey, but it still needs to be a better comparison since one is a combat ship, and the other two are exploration ships, not combat ships. The Odyssey is a better comparison because both ships have capital components and a hangar for a fighter. In contrast, the Carrack has large components and a hangar for a snub ship.
Next time, better look for components and stats and take notes BEFORE making an overview & comparison video. This video is so unfocused and all over the place, like when talking about size comparison and having no chart for that in the video at that time.
This is... a very bad video. You need to sit down and tighten your scripts up a bit more and makensur you have appropriate visuals for what your talking about. Thisncahmep off very rambley and uninformed.
Little issue at 2:45, the interior concept video is overlaying the size comparison website you are showing in the background.
who cares
Its not the only capital with torps.. javelin have 2 size 12
I think its cost will be like 1k or 1.2k
Why do you keep comparing it to the carrack. The carrack is a dedicated explorer with a map room and drones for exploration. The Polaris explores about as good as any other ship of its size. Sticking a terrapin in it either doesn’t make it a dedicated exploration ship. By that logic all capital ships can be compared to a carrack
Because the radar on the Polaris is much more powerful than the Carrack's; and the Terrapin makes up for the lack of drones.
@@alandabyes but the Polaris won’t be as good as a carrack for exploration. And any capital ship can do what the Polaris does in exploration so comparing it to the carrack doesn’t make any sense
I am not wrong the Drones are for
repair but it will be cool if they can be use for exploring.
your disclaimer about "this is not a beginner ship video" I remember in 2018 being new to SC and watching beginner ship videos and coming across a Polaris video and thinking "I must have this ship" and about dying when I saw the price tag. (I think I only had a $50 Titan then)
I have my $50 discounted Polaris CCU in hand. just need to unmelt a Carrack first.
its price is not crazy. ive been trying to tell people this for years but no one listens... you arent supposed to be going into this with the mindset of wanting to just buy a ship and if you are then youre dumb because all these will be available in game with in game currency that you can work up toward. theyve made this VERY clear multiple times. the reason these ships are priced as they are on their website is because you arent buying ships, your donating to the development of the game. the ships are just a way for them to thank you for supporting the development of this game. its called a CROWD FUNDED game for a reason. and if you really want to get spicey, the concept ships are what you can go for when they pop up to basically "cast your vote" and help support development of said ship and make it clear to them "we want this ship, please design it well". thats why you are called a CONCEPT BACKER when you do this. because you are financially backing the concept of that ship and supporting its development. whats nice about this is that if a ship is just plane stupid and no one likes it, then they likely wont bother if they see no one backing it. if their team has to choose between developing a ship no one put down money for or a ship that half the community has backed the concept of..... guess which ones coming to us?
So with all that stated, the polaris price is not crazy. its not a coincidence that we saw them spit out just about every single seat and 2 seat fighter almost instantly but then take literal years to get anything close to capital class out to us. think about it. youre paying for the development of a much... MUCH larger ship. do you have any idea just how much more work, time, and funding has to go into creating a ship that size for a game like this? especially when everything is getting included in its creation down to the last warning label of a pipe under the very floor you walk on? and especially when compared to something like a little fighter? so, yea. there's alot more going on in a polaris than something like an avenger so it only makes sense its development cost will be substantially higher and therefor, concept backing price tag we have to pay to support it, would also be substantially higher.
its only logical.
Decen overview of the Polaris, but you comparison is a bit lacking.
Remember that Polaris is a Capital size ship, and the Carrack is a size Large ship. This will decide wich jump points these ship can use. Thus limiting Polaris movement options between systems.
The Carrack also has a bit bigger SCU cargo capacity, and easier access. This will make the Carrack more suitable for deep space exploration. Along with superior fuel capacity in both Hydrogen and Quantum.
In short they are not comparable.
About a ship being suitable for Solo flying. For the moment and the future, is very hard to determine in this stage of SC development. But bigger the ship, more maintenance with repairing components and refueling/resupplying is needed. But hard to say how much of a difference. Along with the difference of a new just out of the store ship vs a old and battle scared ship.
But currently, at this stage of the development almost every ship is able to be used solo. But in the future this will likely not be the case for many multi crew ships :)
I've been thinking an F7A mk 2 and Nursa for the Polaris.
"Souped up version of the carrack." Huh? The Carrack is an explorer. The Galaxy is a variant of the Carrack, but the Carrack is still its own thing. The Polaris is a combat corvette. The only ways that the Polaris is similar to the Carrack are that it can launch a smaller ship from its bay and is multicrew. Sticking a Terrapin in it does not make it an explorer. By that standard of logic, the Javelin is an explorer because it can support explorer ships. The Polaris cannot have its role changed by the ships it deploys, it is still a combat ship first, above and beyond everything else.
The Perseus will be roughly 100-120 meters at max, even if they do scale it up in size. The Polaris is 160 meters. They aren't in the same class. Perseus is still a large ship, unless one of its components becomes capital class. The guns on the Polaris turrets are presently Size 4-5. It is possible that the size fives be scaled up to a size six on some of them.
5:30 I don't understand why you're comparing it to a Hammerhead and calling the Hammerhead a dedicated weapons platform, but not extending that to the Polaris as well. The Hammerhead is an anti-air, anti-fighter screener for capital ship groups. You fly a Hammerhead next to an Idris, which supports the Hammerhead with its larger turrets. The Polaris is a completely different role, its meant to kill large ships, other corvettes, and in groups, kill frigates, and operate on its own for extended periods. The Hammerhead's role is to kill fighters. Although it is definitely possible for it to be _used_ to kill bigger ships, that isn't the intended role. The Hammerhead is best put as a PDF ship. The Polaris is a patrol ship meant to range across the entire system.
I don't have any issues with your takes on the medical bays. If every large ship doesn't have a medbay of its own, it should at least be able to support carrying a medical pisces or a medical ursa. Maybe that won't be the intent of the developers, but it should be able to from my point of view at the minimum. I think you're also underestimating the size of the Polaris' hangar bay, it would be able to easily support two Terrapins if they were flown very carefully and nestled in facing each other. That's actually a terrifying idea now that I think of it. Polaris pops into orbit, drops off two Terrapins filled with marines, then moves on? Yeah, that's kind of horrifying.
I have no idea where you got your impressions. You're not bad or unintelligent in any way whatsoever for having them, I just do not understand where you're coming from at all, and that's got me baffled about this.
I will say this to add a point of exploration to the Polaris is that it has a much larger radar, seeing that its a patrol ship it makes sense for it to be used for exploration.
You can put 6 nova inside ships hangar, i already measured, just use Argo SRV with tractor.
The size of the door is not the size of the hangar pad. The walls are sloped. Also, why would you even want to put a tank in a patrol ship? Also, how would you even get them in there or out? Stupid.
@@SpaceDad42 What you talking about? what hangar door you mean? You can open roof door and put in and out wherever you want including SRV itself. You ask why i need tank in patrol ship? Just simply to take it from one place to another it can be tank or anything else dosnt matter..
You cannot lift the Nova with the SRV. I've already tried. That's a no go
@@csdigitaldesign I've tryed too, not with nova but with centurion and its havyer than nova. Remember SRVs tractor not 100% functional right now it has only towing mode and you cant control tractor but still even with this mode i can easy pick up anything . SRV build to tow objects mutch havyer than nova.If you cant lift Nova you doing something wrong.
@@csdigitaldesign Ok i tryed Nova on Hurston and i guess its just bug it really can lift it. But you know what it can iift ballista and ballista havyer than nova so its a bug 100%
if a scorpius fit... it's might squeeze a cutlass...!!!
and btw if the scorpius fit the terrapin fit quite well the terrapin is 20m lenght and 7.5m height
and the scorpius is 32m lenght and 13m height so you can almost fit a terrapin sideway and fit another ship like a 125a
Polaris SCU is 432 as it was recently doubled so not far off from the Carrack's 456. And it will be even better for carring cargo than Carrack most likely due to the new cargo system coming into play soon. And untill the Carrack gets a rework it will be useless for cargo as it will be physicalized and not realistic to get out of the Carrack using tractor beams.
waiting on the detachable cargo pods ;) since we just had the first taste of the implementation of the modularity system on the retaliator
I think his comparison between Polaris and Carrack (yes, I have one) is correct. I'm not alone with that, as I think CIG views it that way too.
People will use this ship, similar to the Carrack in these ways: Hangar, Medbed, Cargo/Vehicles
In the current game, even getting a Hammerhead fully manned doesnt work. Meaning, even if you have the people, the game lacks the fluidity and stable play to use the Hammerhead as intended. Anyone who disagrees clearly hasnt played the game with an Org or ran multi-crewed ship combat. The Polaris, or really any large combat ship, wont be used for Combat for quite a long time. For the next 24-36 months, the Polaris will be a glorified Carrack.
I feel like I'm in a room with Bruce Lee, love that feeling :D
personally i got this ship for free so i think it worth
the question is how many Fury I can fit in it... lol
I think there is not a real ship you can compare the Polaris to at this moment.
- Hammerhead (115m) is an Anti-Fighter Fleet Support Ship with at max Large components like a Large Shield.
- Carrack (126m) is a bespoke Long-Range Military Exploration and Scout vessel with Large components and a Large Shield.
- Polaris (166m) is a First strike Fleet Escort and Patrol vessel aimed at combat with Large to Capital Ship combat and even with is small size it has Capital Components like a Capital Shield.
So the Polaris with its Capital Shields is almost immune to Fighters, its turrets as said will be up gunned so it can hold its own against bigger ships.
You must know that the Polaris is not a tank it is fast and nimble it needs to get into combat range of enemy capital ships unload its Torpedoes and get out of engagement envelop of the enemy ships asap.
So it is has heavy fire power in front of the ship to punch true the enemy front line fighters and get to the enemy capital ships.
It has very few guns in the back should the Polaris being chased by enemy fighters.
Although the Polaris is still in Concept at the moment, and the tuning and changing of the components can still happen.
This ship would be awesome if you have friends to play with it really like the Carrack could be a home in space.
Speaking of the polaris being "fast and nimble", it's tuned REALLY fast for a ship of its size, at least for the flybys it was, with a listed SCM speed of 210, and a boost of 400. This actually puts it in line with heavy fighters in terms of straight line speed. I imagine it's still much less maneuverable than that. But compared to an idris or javelin in the future, that'll be massively fast. I think its nav top speed was also like 900.
Polaris rear/side guns as quad s3 seem pretty ideal for deterring enemy fighter/bomber strikes, though its primary defense will probably be fighters of its own.
I will be interested in how far the main 3 turrets will be up-gunned.
Javelin has size 12 torpedo
Yeah and from looking at the size of the torpedo tubes, how does it even fit 32 of them into the ship?
It has 28 size 10 torpedo's
I used all credit not cent of cash and I have 2 I wouldn't call it a flagship as I have a Idris-M and Jav too
Its a flagship for a small org with say, 15-30 players. Hell, it'd be a decent flagship for even a 50 man org.
you could fit a 315p
Yes because a lot of work is going into this ship. Compare this for something like a Perseus which is near the same price and it looks like a joke. This ship is over developed.
This ship is meant to be flexible and adapt to the changing needs of the playerbase. If you don't fully develop it, it'll get left behind. How many ships in say, EVE Online never, ever get flown by anyone outside of a vanishingly minute minority of players who are only using them because they're stubborn? A significant amount. Star Citizen is trying to make that number be as close to zero as possible. I'd rather they overdo it, than half ass it. Never half ass two things. Whole ass one thing.
You are mistaken when you compare the Polaris and the Carrack. A better comparison would be between Polaris and The Odyssey, but it still needs to be a better comparison since one is a combat ship, and the other two are exploration ships, not combat ships. The Odyssey is a better comparison because both ships have capital components and a hangar for a fighter. In contrast, the Carrack has large components and a hangar for a snub ship.
Next time, better look for components and stats and take notes BEFORE making an overview & comparison video. This video is so unfocused and all over the place, like when talking about size comparison and having no chart for that in the video at that time.
Allow me to laugh.
This is... a very bad video. You need to sit down and tighten your scripts up a bit more and makensur you have appropriate visuals for what your talking about.
Thisncahmep off very rambley and uninformed.
Apples/oranges. Really stupid to compare it to a Carrack. Stupid.