Live from Wimbledon - Day 7
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- It was a day of high drama in the women's draw so Catherine, David and Matt begin by talking about the simultaneous epics that played out on Centre Court. How did Elina Svitolina come back to defeat Victoria Azarenka for the first time? How has she changed as a tennis player since coming back to the tour? What made this one of the best moments of Svitolina's life? What can tennis do about the booing that keeps happening when there's no handshake? And how did Iga Swiatek save match points to beat Belinda Bencic?
Elsewhere, there's chat about Marketa Vondrousova's win in the Czech-off, Mirra Andreeva's growth since Roland Garros, Jessica Pegula reaching another Grand Slam quarter-final, a stunning shot by Andrey Rublev to help him beat Alexander Bublik, a despondent Frances Tiafoe after his loss to Grigor Dimitrov, injury for Denis Shapovalov, a choke by Hubert Hurkacz in two tiebreaks against Novak Djokovic, and scheduling issues on Centre Court.
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What is sad is that Vika and Elina's match was incredible, like back when WTA had very strong players and matches were just that. Both these players did a lot tonight to bring back attention to women's tennis, as incredibly strong women and mothers, yet at the end of the day all that is discussed is the absence of a handshake....
Swiatek forgot about her match point save against Krejcikova at 2021 Rome
Mirra Andreeva also played Monastir last year where she lost to Potapova in three sets in the first round
They have their anger to the wrong people. We do understand what their country is going through and what they are goring through. Its very painful and heart breaking. But for these player's to be treated like the way it is now not good for the sport. Sport is what bringing people together
Sport absolutely does NOT bring people together. It's riddled with tribalism. Does baseball bring Red Sox fans and Yankees fans together? Does football bring Alabama and Auburn fans together? In tennis, every Grand Slam tournament gives a disproportionate number of wild cards to its home country's players and puts a disproportionate number of their matches on show courts. Each country's television network covers its own players' matches to the exclusion of better matches between players from other countries. Fans in the stands cheer their own country's players and wave their own country's flag. Davis Cup and Billie Jean King Cup are competitions between nations.
Get rid of all tribalism in sport, and maybe it can start bringing people together.
@@zelmoziggy Get rid of these disgusting constructs called Nation States.
yes, my take is that in a worse case scenario, more countries may very well be at war with Russia in future. Are we to expect that all players treat the Russian and Belarussian players the way the Ukrainian players are? I'm afraid it's starting a very bad precedent. I used to work in a Russian language school in the US, and I can't imagine treating any of my colleagues this way.
@@jkscout If the players do not come out and explicitly make clear they are hostile to Putin they should be ignored. Although one can argue any players who did not make their hostility towards Trump as clear should also be.
I agree lad. Hard to direct your anger when your country is under attack tho.
Svitolina is entitled to do as she wants regarding hand shakes but be prepared to accept the consequences. It put Azarenka in a very awkward position which led to the crowd booing her because they clearly (and understandably) believed she was the one refusing the handshake.
I think the crowd should be less ignorant, its not as if the Ukraine invasion is never spoken of. Plus booing for no-handshake is just ridiculous in any circumstance.
@@samkosowick4912 Really? Under any circumstances it’s wrong to boo someone if they don’t shake hands? Wow.
As much as I enjoy this podcast, I really do wish you would be a bit fairer to Rublev. You know you can talk about him without commenting on the ceiling you think he has every single time you bring him up, though I did appreciate that David commented on the fact that maybe he's the one being unfair when he always says Rublev isn't as good as people think he is. I did love the commentary around that amazing shot though, it was very entertaining!
They said nothing about Rublev that wasn’t fair. It was a great assessment and very positive. Let’s see what happens in the Nole match and if proved wrong David and I will be the first to prostrate ourselves before you 😊
@@paulmunster212 Hahaha well I hope that you and David are wrong and Rublev wins! (I am aware that’s me being a bit delusional, but one can always hope!) My comment wasn't to do with the assessment but more so in regards to the fact that every time they (David more so) mention Rublev, they always talk about his "ceiling". For example, even during the Monte Carlo podcast where Rublev won, one of the first things David said was that it doesn’t change his opinion of Rublev and that he’s a player that “we always downward praise…with good reason. He’s somebody I always use the term ceiling to talk about ” Perfectly fine for him to have that opinion, I just wish he wouldn’t bring it up every single time cos it can be a bit tiresome and off-putting. Let’s give Andrey a chance, I mean, it’s not a fluke that he’s been a permanent fixture of the top 10 for such a long time. But yeah, that’s all just wanted to leave a comment in the hopes they see it and could be just a tad bit more positive... or even just slightly less negative haha:)
@@Sophx16 Believe me, I’d be as delighted as you if he beat Nole 👍
@@paulmunster212 Well, let's hope Andrey is on absolute fire today and manages to pull out a win cos that would mean we would be in for an absolutely stellar match! ☺
Just put the start time forward to 11:30 on the main show Court then you don’t have issue it’s not rocket science
I always said that at least Wimbledon crowds seemed well informed and educated. Clearly this is nonsense. Rich, entitled ignorance is not an excuse for booing two great tennis players after a great match because you don't know about current affairs. Shameful.
How virtuous 😀
Some of the most iconic tennis matches in history have finished after midnight , Especially at the U.S. /Aus Opens ..You don't want people playing at 3 am, but 11pm is effing ridiculous
I hope the French Open doesn't change. :)
Tennis Podcast still not liking Iga! I came to listen about their analysis of Iga's game only to hear their comments about Bencic! I should have learned my lesson already given their bias against her in the past.
Me too, they were giving heaps of praises for Bencic ,barely said anything about Iga at all. I was a bit surprised by that. They sound like the American commentators. Totally biased against Iga. I couldn't even finish watching this podcast.
❤Iga❤
Love from 🇺🇸
the scheduling was not good, this is a joke
No the WTA does not treat all Ukranian players badly only the very small group of Ukrainian players who make rediculous demands upon the Russian and Belerusian players to speak out against the war when people in their countries are put in jail for doing that.
Well said!
When Aryna Sabalenka waits at the net for a handshake, people think she's being intentionally provocative. When Victoria Azarenka doesn't, she gets booed off the court. The media needs to be held accountable for spinning narratives and for continuing to push this controversy further than it ever needed to go. It's unfortunate.
Orrrr...some players need to acknowledge decision made by other players, 'read the room' and stop trying to be perceived as 'provocative' and then cry wolf (or be silent) to the media? And folks need to be aware of such decisions/announcements and just stop being ignorant?
I know it's the easiest to blame media first, but the work starts from yourself and your conscience about what's happening. If players/folks watching tennis are intentionally ignorant, little can be done.
I understand why you may say this, but you're talking about 2 different groups of people saying things for totally different reasons. And of course the media covering the tournament are going to cover a nasty crowd of people being nasty. There are many things that you can criticize the media without trying to reach so hard
@@samkosowick4912 I followed the French Open and the press conferences, and also the commentry from Matt on Sabalenka at the time. They definitely pushed hard, and were only willing to express concern for the position Sabalenka might have put herself in once she put herself in that position. They expected her to take a harder stance, and once she did, then they got worried. Then they read entirely too much into her "choice" to wait at the net. And the first journalist to ask Svitolina about it afterwards flat out asked her if she thought it was deliberate, putting words in her mouth. I have paid very very close attention.
@@nonameface90 You are reading something into something you have no evidence for. It's not easy for me to blame the media. I want the media to do a better job. I'm not sure what has happened to it to be honest.
@@jkscout not really actually, one thing: why does Sabalenka insists on coming for a handshake fully knowing that some or all Ukrainian players explicitly announced that they won't accept it, nor will initiate it? Does she have zero self-awareness about the situation and then she comes for the media conferences not expecting to be asked about HER behaviour? Come on, blaming the media for lack of self-awareness skills of a player?
Sabalenka can think all sorts of things about Ukrainian players decision. What's more, she can issue a simple, general statement during press conference that she does not agree with that decision and she will no longer approach for a handshake after matches. YET SHE KEEPS DOING IT. Where's the logic?
Wim Radio cast indicated the reason the 1:30 start is due to the Royal Box ! What ?
True it stars at 1:30 bcs of luch parties...
I really wish they would spend more time talking about players and leave the operational / Political chat for another podcast. Talk about exciting and uplifting players like Chris Eubanks making his first R3 (now R4) appearance at a Grandslam! What about Andreeva being only 16 years old and moving forward to R3! What a delightful player she is! This is potential history being made and they spend 15 mins making fun of Rublev and Ruud for reasons I can't quite understand. Stick to the subject that is actually in the title and leave the other stuff for your drink after the mic is turned off.
Or at least have less biased viewpoints.
@@jkscout yes!
@@jkscout I really get triggered when they start rolling their eyes and chuckling or giggling at one of the players behaviour and it’s usually male players that they like to make fun of. Ruud, Tsitsipas, Rublev, Etc. you can see David hiding his cringe and being diplomatic at times but too much of a gentleman to openly push back
@@TokyoTennisJunk1eDL: Nope, not what’s happening.
DL: We cover stories and talking points, some uncomfortable, many uplifting. It’s what we’ve always done and will always do. It’s part of the sport we cover. An important part. If that doesn’t work for you, that’s fine. But that’s our podcast.
I'm tired of Nole's hegemony.
right now this looks like Verstsppen hegemony
Love the loser's whine 😂.. Ngl.. Pathetic and hilarious at the same time 🤭
How's Emma Raducant doing?
Injured
@@tennissir1986Nasty.
Emma is recovering from surgery on both wrists.
Men's starts at 42:40
Hero
Doing gods work here 👍
The women's matches today were amazing
@@AlexJaneson denying that it just they need to list these in chapters for those that need a quick listen :)
legend
Svitolina put forth a great effort and congrats for that. At the same time, I don't know why we have to bring the Ukraine, Belarus thing into this. This is a tennis match, not a war and have had about enough of these Ukrainian players acting as if they are some kind of moral authority. That combined with the media (especially British media) ALWAYS bringing this war up with the players and NEVER accepting their answers. Making some sort of hero out of Elina Svitolina because her country got invaded is beyond absurd! Svitolina, although good today is basically a vanilla player and has really never done anything special. Pointing out that she is a different player because she is more aggressive and less vanilla is good commentary. Acting as though it has anything to do with the war or that the war should be attributed in ANY way to the Russian or Belarusian tennis players is just LUDICROUS! I've just discovered the tennis podcast this week and I being a big tennis fan (especially women's tennis) I have thoroughly enjoyed the commentary and I intend to be a loyal fan. Stick to that and stay away from the approved political propaganda.
Absolutely 👌
Nothing special. 17 titles, won the WTA end of year tournament, numerous slam Semis and Quarters, no 2 in the world, 19th on the money list. Nothing special?
@miketomlin6040 Year end championship? Quarters of slams? Like Pegula and Gauff, her record against good players is poor. Are they special? Not yet. Maybe this new aggressive approach will change that, we'll see. And the whole petulant anti Russian player thing is BEYOND TIRESOME! I repeat nothi
@@eugenecasper7506 You are a fan of Fascism? Petulant response to your family and friends being killed? Grow up!
So, Azarenka told Putin to invade Ukraine? Maybe Svitolina should grow up some more. I really wanted her to shake her hand after such a great match.
I am okay with all ukranian players not shaking hands with russian or belarussian players as a «statement» of sorts. The players and everyone else should also accepts this and move on.
Azarenka and other ruz./blr. players didn't condemn their dictatorship regimes for this invasion/genocide/war, Kasatkina - person, who closest, but still she said, that she is afraid for her relatives, who stayed in ruz. But, but this is not Ukrainian players problem, who must cares only about reactions of their compatriots, who fighting in trenches right in this moment. Two words "no war" position is good for some neutral athletes from Algeria, Chile, Vietnam and so on, but they are from countries, which started biggest war in Europe since the WW2. This is not enough. From beginning of the war they should release some collective statement with condemnation of the war and their regimes, which started this bloody hell. But they didn't through their cowardice or they secretly supports putler/lukashenka - again this not Ukrainian athletes problem to research the reasons of their actions
@@_linkart_ Isn't it highly likely that these athletes do not condemn their countries for fear of what their "dictatorship regimes" can do to them or their families still living there. No one wants war but also no one wants to put their own family at risk. Tennis players have freedom of speech but they are not free from the consequences that could happen (ie: Peng Shuai being silenced by China when she spoke out)
@@LPdevilness they are rich enough to move themselves and families to the West or another save places. Azarenka and her son, for example, are residents of Florida, USA. Maybe rest of her family in Belarus, and they are comfortable to live on their beloved dictator territory 🤔
@@LPdevilnessits not like that, based on inside info many of them are pro-regime, and they just say nothing Worth listening about war, " no war" ? Im mwan putin would be pretty happy if war end will end tomorrow.
Catherine looks so uninterested the moment Djokers name comes up lol. Its obvious she is there to just be there !
Catherine is my favourite person to listen to she certainly not mean such a lovely woman bless her she not perfect she hold own her when hosting with all the other's slim women she very confident in her job and keeping the peace. 🙏 ❤
I see already one comment missing the point of 'handshake gate', made into actual thing mostly by ignorant and narrow-minded folks. No surprises though.
Why oh why ppl have an issue with a grown woman deciding about her actions, announcing it beforehand and taking responsibility for them? You can call it all names you wish, but what is exactly difficult in acknowledgement of the decision taken by the player?
Surprise surprise - the world and tennis tour does NOT swirl around you poor souls saying you wish she shook hands.
You wish the player would 'grow up'? Seems like some of you have the growing part to do first. Plus take some tour queens with you on the way.
Nor could the world care about what you’re saying.
good grief!
@@jkscout exactly
@@tennissir1986 thank you for this groundbreaking response.
@@nonameface90 Get a life.
Let's be honest the WTA have treated the Ukrainian players abysmally showing obvious preference to the Russian and Belarusians. From Steve Simon's words to Tsurenko and lack of accountability to it to them stitching up the Ukrainian players regards the no handshake deal. I've seen Elina get dogs abuse online over this. Steve Simon needs to be held to account for his disgusting behaviour but no one will do it
What happened with Tsurenko?
dramatic much?
1 game of nole superhuman returning those 135 mph bombs is more exciting than those 2 women's matches. Watch nishesh basavareddy vs Ethan Quinn in college tennis . For people who watch tennis for a living ,you don't seem to watch or understand much tennis eh
What a stupid comment. You clearly didn't watch the women's matches then.
Just say you hate women Incel.