Death Battle logic is always terrible - "A cockroach can survive a nuke, Mike Tyson can crush a cockroach with his fingers, that means Mike Tyson can tank a Nuke" No, DB, no he can't
Now that I think about you could technically scale him to little Mac witch you could technically scale to characters in smash but that is a biiiiiiiiig stretch
Death battles comparing is like: Yamcha was able to withstand Goku and Goku can withstand Beerus so Yamcha can withstand Beerus Leaving out the fact that Goku was a kid
Pretty much. I really gave on Deeath Battle back when they determined Goku's speed based on him running Snake Way back in first Goku vs Superman. Doesn't matter that was super in the beginning of Z and he got way faster even without any transformations.
@ShiningMoon for me it's Ben 10 vs green lantern. As Kevin says celestial sapians could blink and they'd be gone. Plus if alien x can reverse time stopping green from killing/ cutting off the watch early if possible. Plus the omnitrix will give Ben an alien to save him when needed like with the big bang.
@ShiningMoon By their analysis Dio is basically gonna stomp, and if Alucard tries to use his blood sea or zombies or whatever he's just making Dio more powerful. I haven't watched Hellsing though so this might be another death battle where they say things that are just not true like Android 18 vs Captain Marvel, that death battle is embarrassing, I think most millennials have watched Dragonball enough to remember the only androids that can suck energy are 19 and 20.
@ShiningMoon Yeah I haven't watched Hellsing so I'm gonna stick to what the death battle showed. Dio gets stronger through the absorption of blood, what are you talking about?
Death Battle should not be taken as the end all be all to who a character would win in a fight. The true answer is, as Stan Lee once said, who wins is whoever the writer wants to win
True but Death Battle is like a writer who says this character would win but they lose to a weaker character who realistically wouldn’t stand a chance.
That's what I decided a long time ago. The whole "Who would win in a fight between __________ and _______________?" is pointless because the winner is whatever drives the plot forward to the story.
The thing that ticks me off is when DB says "person a beat person b in a fight (not a race) and person b is exactly this fast so we can say person a is also this fast" Yeah no, if I smack Usain Bolt in the face with a sledgehammer that does not mean I can outrun him, it means I'm the jackass that can sneak up on someone with a sledgehammer.
@that idle shantae individual then you're talking about combat speed and in most fictional stories a character combat speed is relative to their travel speed
Like how in comics through comic bs Batman can like.. snare Flash in a net, doesn't mean Batman is as fast as Flash, just that he predicted where he would be and set a trap
In Death Battle style matchups that can be true, but there are matchups where one character would just objectively win every time. As an extreme example; Zeno from Dragon Ball Super can casually eradicate whole universes without even getting tired, and can do this for several in a row while still showing no fatigue. Pair him up against, say, Pikachu, and there's simply just no contest. There's never any indication anywhere given to suggest that Pikachu could compete with a multiverse buster. Similarly, there's no reason to believe Crash Bandicoot could win against Superman, or etc.
That quote is idiotic to the extreme. There's nothing subjective about comparing a feat to another feat and contextualising it to see which is better. A character will either win or they will lose or you will contextualise why they won't always win, that isn't subjectivity. It's *Objectivity.*
@@Thurnmourer the quote is for mostly what you consider canon, example: would you give him ssj4 while also going blue and ui? If you use composite verisons of the characters then yes the quote doesn't work. But using specific characters has to do with what you think could logically due within it's canon.
That statement is not true in 2 occasions, Ryu vs Scorpion and Deathstroke vs Deadpool. Both are objectively wrong, not subjectively. Ryu destroyed Scorpion while under the effects of the Satsui no hadou which is well known for it's capabilities of destroying even souls, meaning, there is 0 chance of Scorpion returning from that, and yet he managed to asspull a return. Deathstroke is superior to Deadpool in everything but regeneration, but Deathstroke has already defeated even trully immortal beings before in comic books. the Death Battle asspulled a victory for Deadpool but that has 0 chance of happening because Deathstroke already knows what to do with seemingly immortal enemies, all Deathstroke needed to do was to cut Deadpool to pieces(which he actually did), seal those pieces apart, and toss them either in a pool of acid or in lava.
What REALLY grinds my gears is that they gave link the win through the z-lock on function which is not a canonical ability but a fuckin game function. But yeah, cloud got cucked hard on his equipment. The fight was crap
@@jacobgraemoor5778 yknow, I don't actually know. Haven't watched. Stopped caring about DB after the myriad of injustices. It wouldn't matter. In a fair fight given all their equipment and at the top of their game, link doesn't stand a chance.
they do this a lot, ya know they do it for every single comic book character "well in 1 series this character benchpresses the entire universe, and in another unrelated series, they become batman, therefore...." Like, yeah, pitting EVERY FEAT FROM EVERY WORK against some Anime character who only has 1 source to his name, and thus only the feats within it, is going to end up looking bad and I honestly hate it
And apparently eating the equivalent of a live wire wouldn’t electrocute the hell out her and would only give her slight indigestion. I never watched MLP but does Rainbow Dash is so stupid that she’ll eat something like that or did they really just wanted to have a death and not just rule him out as harmless or cannot effect organically thus he loses.
@@Predator20357 the source where they got the sequence of Starscream's life spark was from a manga where he possessed a human girl. Thus RD should have just become a host body for him using the same law. Like she would even eat that to begin with.
@@ilovemoms5385 Oh, I thought that it was a cyborg girl or something but yah, Not only would Starscream should’ve possessed RD but hell, she shouldn’t have eaten it, he didn’t turn into a cupcake or anything
@@Predator20357 RD is a tomboy who does before thinking out her plans. It’s like comparing her mentality to hopscotch compared to a standard pony’s checkers mindset.
I also love that in the Cloud vs Link one, they mesh every form of Link together into one (in no game has he ever had all of the items they gave him, and each Link is a separate individual) while only giving Cloud initial equipment. "Oh yeah, of _course_ Link has every item from every game. Cloud? I dunno, give him the buster sword and the four weakest materia, idk."
Even though you're talking about the first Link vs Cloud, this comment still makes me happy because I was infuriated by the compositing of Link in the second Link vs Cloud for the exact same reason, no Link has had EVERY ITEM EVER and they are all their own people. They also ironically did to Link what they did to Cloud, ignoring things that could make Link win or at least stronger, they don't give him the full Triforce because its 'not standard' even though its been used by a Link 3 times but the cloak from Link to the Past that I am pretty sure only has one use? Fair game I guess. No, Link can't have the reality warping object that could potentially just wish Cloud away but he can have a cloak that turns him invisible.
As much as i love loz, cloud is just leagues ahead of any link. The only way link wins is if he has his reality bending equipment from one of the games. Cloud is far more stronger, faster, and durable than link.
@@nope9885 I think they should have used child link from Majora's mask with the fierce deity mask. Hyrule warriors shows the fierce deity cleaving the moon in two and while canonicity of that feat can be argued it would still make the fight closer.
I just. Fuckin hate speed scaling in general. I mean it's important bc the flash exists but it just becomes the focus of almost every fight when it's just not satisfying.
@@amiablereaper my problem with speed characters is... if they can react and move so fast.... how does shit like the flash getting a bomb clipped to his arm even happen in the first place? Or how do they even fight when they are still sight based beings? if you move faster than the speed of light... you cant see anymore and would go blind... the faster you go the more photons crash into your eyes to trigger receptors to stimulate nerves in your brain... imagine if you move at the speed of light... all those photons would overload your eyes and you would be blind. Would be like your eye-ball is directly in the sun itself. Or the other thing would happen, you move faster than light so your eyes wouldnt be able to pick up photons in the first place because your body is moving faster than photons... again you would be blind. They act like science and shit just dont exist... then use science to explain things... its annoying...
another thing that bugs me about DB: Battle A: this character was said to be able to do this, but it was never shown explicitly, so we didnt consider it as true. Battle B: even though it was never explicitly shown, it was said that this character can do this, so it must be true.
One thing that bugs me that I said on another comment. Death Battle: This character can do this. Death Battle after the character loses: They can't actually do this. Essentially when they bring up feats like Beast lifting a golden tree...but not really or Sigma scaling to Megaman who scales to Duo...but not really and there is more that I can't recall but they do this often where they make a character seem far stronger than they are, then go "Not really" when they lose. Either they have a shit script writer or they are trying to trick the audience into thinking a certain character has a chance when they don't.
What bothers me is how they do feat scaling, Gray Fullbuster vs. Esdeath they completely ignored that Gray regularly matches Natsu in physical strength and that in a weakened state Natsu can throw building-size creatures. So like, do we have any evidence whatsoever that she could take a single hit from him? Not really. If you want to say she still has her time control ability and could kill him, sure but ignoring Gray's rather impressive strength and durability makes make think that they had decided the winner before doing the research. My skepticism of this is only increased by Heie vs Sasuke in which they assert 'Heie must be capable of x because he scales to Yusuke', yeah okay dude.
"Lex Luthor could fight Larfleeze, therefore he is as powerful as a Green Lantern" That's like saying, Usain Bolt can run faster than Floyd Mayweather, therefore he can beat Connor McGregor in a fight.
I want to point out this: In Joker vs Sweet Tooth, the main factor why Joker won was because he outsmarted his opponent, i.e. being smarter in the situation = win, which makes sense. But then we switch over to Carnage vs Lucy where they didn’t give Carnage that benefit and the god awful „more TNT = win“ rule was applied. Carnage is a genius when it comes to psychological strategy and possibly the best killer in all of Comics. When he realizes that one way of attacking his victim doesn’t work, he doesn’t go for a second attempt with the same attack, he pbserves and adjusts to his opponent. Not to mention that with him being a cold hearted psycho, he would use Lucy‘s love for animals against her for oppenings. But they didn’t. Not to mention they said Lucy would kill herself for her ultimate attack, meaning it would come down to a draw, but nah, they ignored that and let her win no problem.
@@lolstalgic9602 interesting saying "research gets cherry picked". I agree. But it's not death battle fault. It's just that given how much source material and contradictions there are in marvel and DC, any character can be put in any tier. Heck, even Aunt May can be scaled to be stronger than Oblivion through enough mental gymnastics.
The problem I always had with Yang VS Tifa is that they calculated Yang's durability based on her going through a concrete pillar, and explained how much a pillar can resist. Except they used the pillar's ability to resist vertical force being pressed down on it, when Yang's feat involved her going through it sideways.
@ShinigamisCreation it's been a minute since I've seen it, but doesn't it actually just take sunlight to kill him, if I remember correctly jotaro obliterated his body and skull and he wasn't dead until after being in direct sunlight. I honestly don't have enough knowledge on Dracula to make a real decision lol.
@ShinigamisCreation aye fair enough, I always thought that alucard wasn't effected because he was half, if Dracula isn't killed by sunlight, he has advantage abusing that alone, assuming his presence doesn't "blot out the sun" or something like that.
@ShinigamisCreation that mob v tets fight was painful because while tets did haver far more power mob has way more in his toolkit one of those tools being the ability to absorb and use the psychic power of others and they just ignored it all for raw strength
@ezlomacks6533 wrong. Jotaro killed dio by destroying dios stand, in other words his literal soul. He was dead after that, they just took his body into the sunlight for good measure. This also means the only ways to really kill him are destroying his stand + sunlight.
Death battle: jason's helmet can be broken by a 'similar' knife to the one bucky's arm blocked Meanwhile on the page they're showing: That's strange, normal knives can't break my helmet
@@TheSecondVersion it's amazing as well because they highball jason's venom by saying it gives him 10x strength based on bane even though it would be fairer and more consistent to claim he was micro dosing
Also it's weird to compare "defense" with a *helmet* and an *arm.* They're two completely different pieces of equipment. Red Hood can't block blades or bullets with his bare hands, and Winter Soldier would die if someone headshot him from behind. A helmet is passive defense; you don't have to actively control it or notice a threat for it to protect you. Meanwhile Bucky actually has to *move* his arm to use it as a shield, and if he's disoriented (by say, a flashbang), it becomes much less effective.
yeah, it makes it hard to talk about a lot of the fights. take Ben vs Lantern, if you were thinking of most modern depictions of Green Lantern during discussions it would make sense that Ben would win but i literally had a guy send me to a Reddit with a link to a crusty ass multi-decade old comic page of obscure silver age bullshit and I'm like "thanks for reminding me that American comics have characters nearly centuries old that have literally dealt with the multiverse ending multiple times"
@@_Sage967_ except the fact that the modern lantern IS the silver age version and survived all the crisis events unchanged is a major plot point. And DC merged the continuities anyway. There is no "non composite", green lantern by that logic. This fact was even one of the reasons they gave WHY Hal won. Heck, Hal personally reversed one of the crisis events. And if we take his most recent issues, Hal can summon millions of universes worth of energy per universe in the DC multiverse.
@@_Sage967_ ugh, sorry. typo. i mean one of the reasons hal won. thank you. What i mean is, they didn't use different versions of green lantern. all those multi-era versions you saw are the SAME green version of hal.
I remember how peach was able to kick a soccer ball and it would turn into three balls so she scores three times. Therefore she has so much kicking power she could break a soccer ball twice. Which means she can obliterate a human body by kicking it. Has she shown any strength or durability (her leg doesn't get obliterated) feats even remotely similar?
I have a problem with that feat to but it is nothing to do with the actual streath of being able to do so.it the fact that she made three balls with that kick not split it into three meaning it was done through some sort of magic that multiplied jt.
I think it’s hilarious how they say that BONK! makes Scout invincible. When it doesn’t, it just slows his perception of time allowing him to react to bullets quicker along with dulling his pain senses IF he is hit. So Tracer’s ONLY feat to surpass Scout doesn’t matter because he could just drink BONK! and then proceed to beat the shit out of Tracer because his reaction time is now instant. Also yeah, canonically he can still attack while in BONK!.
Death Battle: "Character 1 was faster when travelling from point A to point B, therefore they have the speed advantage in a fight." That's like saying Usain Bolt can beat Mike Tyson in a fight because he can run faster.
Ehhh... there's a degree of speed where it probably matters and humans aren't at that. When you are flying around, your flight speed will matter in a fight. If you're moving at speeds faster than your opponent can react it makes a difference in a fight. Speed also = force. Just as a hypothetical example (with bullshit numbers) Usain Bolt can run at the speed of sound. His standing punching force is 5kg and he's never received official fighting training. Mike Tyson can run at 15kmph, as a standing punching force of 150kg and has all of his fights under his belt. Usain Bolt therefore has a body that can withstand running at the speed of sound. All he has to do is run at a speed where his body mass is enough to crush a human an tackle Tyson and he wins. Speed matters when gravity and directions don't, characters that can run at those speeds can use it better in a fight than Bolt can.
Except mike Tyson and Usain bolt's difference is speed is within normal human limits... Fictional characters don't operate on the same parameters... A speed difference of 1 mach is already so impossible for the slower character to respond in the real world... That's basically you trying to react to a gun when fired from point blank... So of course, if you widen the gap to FTL speeds, the impossibility of a win for the slower characters becomes more evident.. of course there are ways around it but speed is one of the most basic factors first to consider when two characters are matched up.. with all that said, speed is not the only factor to consider of course and it's not always correct that the faster character wins all the time... It only applies when the speed difference is so high that one character is practically fighting a statue (I.E. FTL characters vs non-lightspeed characters) and the statue has nothing to offset the speed difference...
@@vashe4008 True but flight/Running speed is different then fighting speed. You could be faster than someone but be slower when it comes to hand to hand combat. Right?
Actually, Death Battle wasn't owned by Rooster Teeth at that point, the merger happened a year after the episode aired, but it's still wrong and even they corrected it in Deadpool vs The Mask.
@@houldenmelville5530 Don’t forget Monty Oum died in February 2015 when RWBY Volume 3 was beginning production and the Death Battle was to help promote it when it came out in October and the Battle came a little before the premiere So they most likely did it because they still missed Monty and thought Yang losing would be insulting in to his work since Ben Singer (Wiz) looked up to him Though that doesn’t excuse the episode and incorrect outcome
@@giggukardaguy9077 They've gotten alot better since then, and now we have the far superior Weiss vs Mitsuru, an episode with an accurate outcome and respect for both characters.
@@houldenmelville5530 favortism was still at play. They worked closely with Monty prior and the VAs of RWBY. They even got the Yang VA for the fight. The episode was literally made to promote the upcoming season of RWBY.
Man, I'm still ticked at Toph vs Gaara. Let's just take Toph while she's in her prime at the very end of the original series and put her up against post-timeskip Gaara AFTER he lost his biggest asset, the demon that gave him nearly infinite Chakra and allowed him to use all of his huge stupidly powerful super expensive sand attacks. And then let's take him complaining about how much energy those moves drain and use it to prove that he'd just fizzle out way too fast. Yeah, no shit. Of course he'd have a hard time fighting while he's in the worst condition of his life using a ton of techniques that weren't even made for him with that level of energy. But Toph can see sand, sooo.... I guess she just wins or whatever. It's not like Gaara's able to manipulate more sand at once and attack people harder, faster, and more freely or anything.... If Toph ended up in the Sand Coffin once then she'd be screwed just because bending is a martial art and you have to be able to move your body to actually do things. Meanwhile, Gaara's sand wall is, well, automatic. And the iron in it would make it harder than normal rocks, presumably, just because it's hardened metal filings. This fight was stupid. To make things even worse, Toph's bending style isn't even that mobile, Earthbending tends to be about superior attack and defense. You know, attacking people head-on and picking your moment. So she'd be extra unequipped for stuff like the sand tendril(?) that crushed Lee's leg, even while being able to sense where it is. And once ANY of her limbs goes, that's going to directly screw with her fighting abilities a ton. With Gaara, though? He could literally break both his legs and lose an arm, and he'd still have superior mobility with his sand while also being able to kill with the Sand Coffin.
1) the didn’t take in her prime Toph they used a weird mash of Toph when she was still pretty young, before she was an adult, saying she was in her prime at the end of ATLA is grossly misunderstanding her. 2) the two universes have *very* different magic systems in them, who’s to say that Charka isn’t anywhere near equivalent to bending. So Gara having “nearly unlimited Chakra” is a mute point. 3) Toph can bend metal, meaning that all the iron (and I thought it was gold in his sand?) is doing is giving Toph *more* control over it. 4) if you took both of them at their prime I believe Toph would still win (admittedly I don’t know as much about Gara as Toph) Toph at her peak bending capabilities can sense vibrations from massive distances away and could easily bend massive chunks of earth so I don’t know but I’m not sure Gara could survive getting dropped into the molten core of the earth.
@@braedenmclean5304 I watch and love both series. Gaara stomps not only Toph but really the whole Avatar Universe. He’s way faster, stronger and durable than anyone in the show. His sand is keeping up with people at light speed. Toph is nowhere near that speed. Plus Gaara’s sand is not only controlled by his chakra but also by his moms spirit that automatically shields him. Even if Toph could overpower Gaara’s sand (she can’t not even his own father could or even try), she would also have to overcome his moms spirit which I don’t even think an Avatar could do. In conclusion, Toph loses before she can even sense what hit her.
@@dco7710 like I said, power scaling and magic systems are so vastly different it’s not *really* compatible. And I’d argue that some avatars could *easily* body Gara. Unless your would argue that somehow Gara could counter bloodbending, lava, the air being taken out of his lungs among plenty of other ways for a fully powered avatar to take him out in seconds.
It's also not like the show actually says "Toph cannot see through sand, plus she can't tell when something is flying at her", her senses are tied to the ground, not earth, she wouldn't be able to see the sand coming at her and would have to guess by Gaara's movements.
@@almento7804 that’s actually incorrect. It was stated that Toph can sense “earth” not just the ground. There is a scene in her debut episode where rocks are flung at her from an opponent in the air, she catches and tosses both of them aside.
Raises some good points. Death Battle has a habit of putting Strength vs Strength and Endurance vs Endurance, like Thor vs Wonder Woman, or Red Hood vs Winter Soldier. They very rarely put an explanation on how someone gets past a strength or weakness unless its already super one sided. I also have a problem with the constant use of SCALING going on in more recent episodes, like Saberwulf vs Jon Talban. They'll show a feet someone else does in some other way and say "well that proves he's as strong", but lose all of the context. Scaling only really works if both people are putting in their all when fighting (or the person you are analyzing was at least and use THAT encounter for feats). Its like saying that I can catch a cat, therefore I must be as quick as a cat who has faster reflexes than a human. No, that makes no sense, cause all I did was likely corner it. Someone's ability to control buildings with a special power doesn't really tell you about how another person has strong muscles. Context matters.
Exactly! Scaling is so god awfully stupid it allowed CRISIS, another "who would win" and "how powerful is blank" RUclipsr, to say Solid Snake, a confirmed fucking human, can physically overpower and outrun Raiden, a guy who, and let that shit sink in, throws giant, as in huge-building-sized, robots up in the air, and managed to stop a huge warship with one hand. But nooo, Snakey wins because sCaLinG. I swear, some complete imbecile is gonna say Batman is ftl and a universe buster because he managed to defeat Superman a few times (completely ignoring the huge kryptonite dildo or whatever Batman makes out of that green rock this time).
@@quantumvideoscz2052 They actually did that in Red Hood vs Winter Soldier. "Jason Todd escaped the grasp of a Kryptonian". Toddlers escape the grasp of their parents all the time, that feat means nothing.
Yeah the using other peoples stats for a character is so dumb. They use to be pretty strict that no outside help and just the own characters canon feats would be used now it’s almost a free for all for a characters stats and it’s so stupid and shows massive basis in a lot of episodes now.
"She can manipulate sand!" "And guess what so can a level one f+cking diglett." I love this. Edit: I talk about Diglett,and started a war...well that's the internet for ya I guess
I feel like if they did current Vergil vs Sephiroth then Vergil would sweep Seph away, Vergil is so strong that he has surpassed the Devil Sword Sparda (The sword Dante used to defeat Mundus, and Dante surpassed his father)
@@goon5665 Mundus was able to create an entire universe and Agrosax is able to alter reality to his own will, both have been defeated by Dante who has surpassed his father Sparda and Vergil broke Rebellion with one punch and has defeated Dante who used the Devil Sword Sparda. Not to mention he obtained the same power as Mundus did by eating the Qliphoth Fruit and became powerful than Mundus did, Vergil has reached the point he has the power to surpass Sparda and Mundus but only Dante can beat him because of his equal strength and abilities.
The thing that bugged me the most about Winter Soldier vs Red Hood is that they had previously stated that Batman was so close to Captain America in terms of physical ability that his significantly superior combat training was enough to make up the difference but suddenly with Jason and Bucky Jason looses because his use of venom isn't a constant effect like Bucky's super soldier serum. Like I went into that one expecting Bucky to win but the breakdown of their abilities convinced of the opposite. Based solely on how DB explained it the fight should have been a slow and steady push in Winter Soldiers favor that Red Hood reversed as soon as he used venom at which point he'd have destroyed Winter Soldier before the venom wore off. I don't know nearly enough about the characters to be confident that's what should've happened in general but based on the DB analysis, especially taking Bat v Cap into account...
For me the thing that piss me off the most in that death battle was that they said that red hood mask could analyze guns or somthing like that but his mask couldn’t pick up that the gun had hand scanner
@@crimsonemperor143 That's an overarching problem with Death Battle over all. The fights don't *really* matter. That is the depicted version of the fight doesn't necessarily represent how the fight should actually play out. It's a bullshit cop out they've been using forever that the only thing that really matters about the fight is the winner. They frequently portray characters and fights in laughably incorrect fashion sometimes more blatantly than others.
@@Draiocht012 exactly. For instance the Buu vs Kirby one. They showed Buu losing because of the sun. Then never explained how Kirby would have actually defeated Buu without the use of the sun (which is counted as outside help in death battle). There was nothing shown or explained outside of the animation that would give Kirby the win as either everything they showed and explained it honestly at most would have been a constant stalemate if the two. So the deciding factor was indeed Kirby’s use of the sun in the animation.
Plus, the venom dosage is perfectly calculated to maximise his strength gain without diminishing his mental faculties. He'd gain a massive strength boost whilst retaining his intellect, like how Bane calculates his typical dosages
I could understand most of this just being favoritism and that’s fine. But what really irks me about these death battles is when they say “we’ve run the calculations through all possibilities.” Which makes it a certainty and that’s irritating. Cause I’m pretty sure in Ben 10 vs. Green Lantern, “all possibilities” would mean GL could 100% destroy every last one of Ben’s aliens ALONG with the busted technology of the Omnitrix which is blatantly false. Instead, they speed ran the fight just to use Alien X, not use him correctly, and proceed to beat Ben using tricks that would never work to begin with.
Yeah. They even completely disregarded one of the quotes they used. The second Alien X comes out on a fight, unless it's against another celestialsapien or similar level being, the fight's already decided, it's a matter of how merciful Ben decides to be at that point. He didn't even NEED Alien X in the fight. Here's 5 other aliens that would bear Hal: 1. Feedback. The constructs are composed of energy, which can be absorbed 2. Toepick. He's able to instill dear and disgust with just his face, and the ring is stated to require concentration to use 3. Pesky dust. Again, the ring requires concentration to be used, and you just gotta put him to sleep when he's in low orbit 4. Upgrade. Take control of the ring and turn it against Hal 5. Nanomech. Fly int his brain and sever his brainstem
My biggest problem with death battle is them comparing movement speed to combat speed. Usain Bolt runs really fast, but that doesn't mean he can throw more punches than Bruce Lee (when he was alive, obviously)
There’s also reaction time, someone might be able to run at light years but can still be killed by a gun shot to the head as they couldn’t react fast enough to a gun going off.
they say they bring both fighters at their max but during tracer vs scout they put tracer from the cinematics+the one from the games+comics tracer vs a nerfed scout from the game that uses weapons from games that aren't tf2.
i was always bugged by how Tracer vs Scout had Scout hit her with an attack that does 500 damage (aka, over 3x Tracer's health), and yet she stays alive and wins
Game mechanics are not how power scaling works. Lets make an easy example. Lets say a baseline human in one game has ten health, and another identical baseline human in a different game has 1000. If a gun in the second does 800 damage, it's an entirey different system and numbers like that are meaningless. What s meaningful is if a character can survive the gunshot.
For the Scout one, remember in Expiration Date he shot a tentacle off of the bread monster while practically firing before he even faced that angle! With that kind of accuracy and reaction time, he could very easily tie with Tracer's reaction speed. That and the fact that Hamaji Neo did a video confirming Scout has the faster speed on foot, he would've easily blitzed Tracer in that fight. Heck, that fight realistically would've ended at the Taunt Kill.
@@bynosaurus4024 Tied reaction speed + superior running speed alone is enough to disprove the way the fight ended. Tracer would've never been able to latch her bomb onto him.
Thats the thing, the TF2 mercs are often called rejects, not for lack of skill but lack of intelligence. They're all really good at their job of killing people. Scout is a moron with an ego that clouds his judgement more often than not, but he's still a skilled mercenary and marksman
@@antonymilne1346 Well that’s a bit inconsistent because Medic still acquired a medical license implying a number of years at a school, Heavy also has a degree in Russian Literature, and Engineer you know, just look at the stuff he builds. Not exactly an idiot
@@kaijuslayer3334 well there's that, but they're also all genuinely insane, which kinda outweighs any conventional smarts. Engie hacked off his own arm because he saw blueprints for a robot arm. Heavy genuinely loves mowing down people en masse with his mini gun which is not something sane people do. Medic.... I don't need to explain medic. Some of them are better at hiding it than the others but they're all definetely crazy.
Death Battle transitive property: Mario can survive the black hole formed at the end of Super Mario Galaxy But he still dies when touching a Koopa The Koopa must be Galaxy Destroyer Level Man people really started Thanos beat boxing over my comment
Well not necessarily, cuz technically a Koopa has never killed Mario, that can only happen during gameplay if you suck at platformers, meanwhile the whole black hole thing was a cutscene, though to be fair I'm pretty sure it can be presumed that Mario only survived because of Rosalina and her f****** god powers
I mean, on some level, we have to take game logic out of this. We can say the exact same thing about Sonic too. He can get slammed around by giant robots and still keep fighting, even without rings outside of the game logic. But if a Motobug touches him, he flipping dies due to game logic. But that doesn't make sense looking at what he's been able to do. So, again, we have to take that out of the equation because it's not a fair assessment.
Some comic writer 60 years ago: draws one panel where a random dog dodges a laser DB: as you can see here, this dog scales to FTL and that's why he killed spiderman
Did they really show toph and gaara fighting in a desert when there was an episode in TLA where Toph couldn't see anything because she can't sense properly when the ground isn't solid?
tbf, they probly decide the winner, tell the animator who the winner is and what powers to show off, then move on with their day. many examples of this can be shown with abilites just not being used despite being talked about or abilities NOT talked about showing themselves. virgil vs sephiroth is one key example. they talk about how virgil has the power to cut dimensions and break mental links..... but he loses to a pocket dimension created by sephiroth.
She can sense it, she just can't make out shapes, or able to pinpoint objects specifically. Kind of like having a flawed depth-perception. You can see the thing, you're just not sure how far away it is or it's actual size. She later, in season 3 when they were in the fire nation having that beach party, showed that she had mastered intricate sand bending by creating a replica of ba sing sa in the sand with a single move. Then in Legend of Korra she had no trouble smacking the avatar around with mud.
My biggest grudge against death battle is Mob vs Tatsumaki, bc they claim Mob would explode from absorbing her psyc powers but in the very example used to say he has a limit on the absorption is the scene where he channels the excess power into the broccoli..... like.... what if there was a potato on his pocket? There is so much that he could do he wouldn't just explode
One episode you actually missed is the Android 18 video. They usually talk about how they are referencing one canon and not the other. However, in the Android 18 Death Battle they HEAVILY emphasized a move that Android 18 used in Dragon Ball Xenoverse and acted like that was a serious feat. Which definitely goes against their own logic.
@@levievil9220 it's different timeline and movies and games with different story or non canon still count if we list overall character. Broly would have been counted as strongest saiyaan in dbz even if he wasn't canon
In the commentary, they said that was just a shout out to all the guys that are "I like your show but this fight was bs" to their more infamous episodes, also in Q&A's they never change their decisions of fights and won't just change an entire episode cause of complaints
I like how they ignored that Rouge doesn't wear the bracers of restraint like Wonder Woman does. Which means when Rogue absorbs from her, she actually would have access to Wonder Woman's Full power.
@@Mychannel-sp6lt I mean, you say that. However, the thing most people ignore is the characters themselves. Specifically their personalities. Wonder Woman is if anything else, an honorable warrior, as evident by her entire run. Rogue is an unarmed combatant who is also a woman. Wonder Woman would have now knowledge of her. She would either offer her a weapon, or fight her bare handed if Rogue would rather. Also, I don't think you understand what I meant. Rogue would be absorbing Wonder Woman's full untapped power. Rogue does not wear the bracers wonder woman wears. She would not be limited. Meaning unless Wonder Woman realizes this quickly, and removes her own bracer to counter. Which wouldn't matter much at that point. Rogue also absorbs the physicality of those she touches, and muscle memory is a thing. That, and many factors means Rogue could go toe to toe with Wonder Woman except for two things. 1: Rogue would be absorbing through out the fight, even if just by punching Wonder Woman in the face. Keep in mind, Wonder Woman's Standard outfit facilitates Rogue. And 2: Currently, Rogue has the ability to instantly kill those who she touches, because she wants to. I'm not saying Wonder Woman Can't win, I'm just saying this is how Rogue wins. In addition to what Wiz ~ Boom said. Take care now, bye bye then. Lew-Who, Za-Her!
"They say 18 is *possibly* planet level" I mean, literally everyone in DBZ is planet after even the Saiyan saga. 18 is multi-planet or solar system level, at a minimum.
Honestly, the best way to view DBZ is like an ancient story of a warrior ascending to fight Gods and it suddenly makes way more sense as to why this shit gets so ridiculous.
@@ladychrya9379 That's the fun thing. They're both at minimum planet level, and have an endless supply of energy to just keep chucking that kind of power.
It should be noted that Vegeta could have won against 18 in their fight if he actually used his head. 18 was actually weaker than Vegeta but won by stalling him out. But ya, the idea that 18 isn’t planet-level is retarded at best.
There's a whole lot of breakdowns on the Yang vs Tifa fight such as them scaling Yang's durability on the vertical resistance force of highway pillars and not their horizontal, which is what she got launched through as, and will b significantly smaller. Also, Yang's Semblance doesn't prevent damage. Also, Tifa's Limit breaks DO have multipliers that scale from her total attack power and you can find them listed just as easily as you can find SSJ multipliers. (The end result being hitting Yang thousands of times harder). Also, just using her Dissidia materia is laughably dumb and implies Tifa would go in to battle with less than a full set of materia. There's some other things too but this already puts the fight way in her favor.
So fun fact about yang v tifa: at the point it was made semblances actually didn’t have a limit, which was why it wasn’t mentioned. The whole semblances are drawn from aura thing was first stated non diagetically in some sort of QnA (forget the exact details) and was then confirmed implicitly in volume 3 (emerald using her semblance was reflected by a drop in aura on monitor) and explicitly in v4 (Sun burns out his aura by overusing semblance)
My conspiracy has always been that they release Yang v Tifa when they did specifically to take advantage of that fact, because they announced that rule like literally ~3 months or something after the episode dropped for DB
Another problem with the Batman Beyond vs Spider-man 2099 is that they say something about the newer suits that they both have, but have the entire fight with their original suits
Dude yeah they love to do that shit, like in naruto vs ichigo, when ichigo just fights in his 1st soul reaper form which isn't his true form and then goes to his weaker mugetsu form because????
My favorite instance of that is during the first Goku vs Superman fight when they say they won’t be using GT Goku but then he transforms into Super Saiyan 4.
@@somethingfunny2199 They did the same thing with Ben 10, they had 10 Year Old Ben turn into Alien X, even though he couldn't turn into Alien X until Alien Force.
@@patrickadetola4153 well no because I don't know animation, but my point is it's a big misrepresentation of the character and makes no sense even from their own logic where they showed his true bankai. Sure it might cost more to animate or can't really be done, but if that's the case then please don't do it because it's a heavy misrepresentation of the character and is really frustrating.
I remember in the Mega Man vs Astro Boy Death Battle, they had left out the very important detail that when Astro Boy lifted the gigantic satellite, he did it with the help of an entire army of robots.
@@antoinepolnareff8970 If we assume Blackhole Bomb from Galaxy Man actually creates a localized black hole, Mega Man can both outrun its pull and survive a hit from it.
@@DeusExProcella Multiple hits and we can assume he grew stronger from it because his own Black Hole bombs don’t affect him after he fights Galaxy Man. Then there’s the fact that he can also outrun Force Beams, which we can equate to beams of light while they’re coming directly at him. So he has potentially FTL feats if we take into account all the times he’s shown the capacity to avoid light based attacks. So even if he’s not ftl he can still react to and defeat opponents who are at that level... Don’t get me started on the speed stats for Goku Vs. Superman.
The Ben 10 vs Green Lantern one was weird for me. Since Lantern beats him by…cutting off his arm? When it’s previously stated the Omnitrix can detect threats and defend itself from threats? Wouldn’t it see the scissors coming and blast em?
Also: "Doomsday has regularly fought and defeated light-speed opponents, while that kind of speed is an extreme rarity in the Marvel Universe" if you've seen the crazy feats many Marvel characters do in *other Death Battles,* you'd think Aunt May was the only one from that universe who's never been confirmed to go lightspeed
To be fair, outside of sometimes matching Sentry and Thor, Hulk is slower than a lot of those characters (at least before immortal hulk and excluding occasional power changes).
LOL! True. I just saw a DB where Thor somehow is able to travel 200,000 times the speed of light. This show is total ass clown shoes and no one should take it seriously.
The Yang vs Tifa was PURE promotional material for RWBY. They tried to say that because she was smashed up into the atmosphere and crashed down without any harm then she can tank a lot of damage. Completely over looking the fact that that all happened purely for comedic effect in the series. Thus it shouldn't be taken seriously. Especially nowadays when she gets punched once or twice and her aura shatters.
@@zegtendo724 I think when Yang uses her semblance her aura is shattered from one hit. So that's probably the reason why her arm got cut off when the sword was swinged at her. I say this because her aura has been broken so many times when she gets hit while using her semblance.
Let's not forget they said Mario was strong enough to lift and kick away a castle he was just in because of the gag cutscene after you beat the boss (A cutscene with a castle smaller than Mario)
It wasn't mentioned, but Ryu vs Jin was an annoying case as well. Not a very blatant issue, but DB mentions both the Satsui No Hado AND the Mu No Ken; These powers are explicitly exclusive from one another. The only way you master Mu No Ken is to rid yourself of the Satsui No Hado, and vice versa. It would not be possible to allow for both at the same time, so adding both for consideration is just incorrect.
The hardest episode to watch for me had to be the Tifa vs Yang fight. I mean I have done my research on each of the fighter and which part of their shows or games they came from and Tifa should have had a clean sweep
me and friend talked about this fight before it was upload. We where both like so Tifa just stomps right? Yang winning was just so much bullshit XD we stopped watching after we realized roaster teeth has ties with DB.
You forgot Ben 10 vs Green Lantern. As Kuro pointed out, they directly contradicted themselves saying Ben could hold back the Big Bang, and later said he could not stop the universe being destroyed despite both times it was coming from THE SAME DEVICE.
Wrong, Ben did hold back the big bang as feedback. Ben however couldn't stop the anialarg from destroying the universe, ben asked his personalities if Alien X can stop it, and they reply with *"it's too late for that"* as a result alien x failed to save that universe, so he just had to recreate a replica with some mistakes in it
The worst death battles had to be the Tracer vs Scout and Yang vs Tifa. They base tracer's stats based of the cinematic shorts and say the in game stats don't count, whilst for scout they say the cinematic shorts don't count for stats because he dies in game to three rockets, (which actually isn't true, scout can survive two direct rocket hits and a splash rocket from maximum damage fall off). Yang vs Tifa was literally just favouritism, they say Tifa is stronger and yang has less durability but she just manages to take every hit and becomes more powerful because??
I remember them saying “Yang wins because she can withstand going through 6 cement pillars.” My first thought was “okay, but Tifa survived sephiroth’s super novas, so literally, Yang’s feat doesn’t matter.
@@totallynotthebio-lizard7631 Personally I feel there are a lot of flaws in the argument of that (though I agree that that fight was unhealthily bias), mainly because going off lore and the Super Nova's cut scene, the resulting explosion of the Super Nova hitting all three party members can't not destroy... everything, and the fact that everything around the party survives, that means that everything around the party can not only not be destroyed by the SN, but not take really any damage at all. And we know that it's not a matter of the explosion only hitting the three party members and nothing else because the distribution of force to hit all three would need to also hit the area around them. So that leaves us with two conclusions, either the SN that was used in the battle was not the true SN that the game lore describes, at which point any one being able to survive it isn't as impressive as described by the lore, or the lore is wrong, and SN can't destroy the universe because he should only need to cast it once and game over for the entire party, which isn't a good fight from a design stand point. For a better example of why the SN logic isn't great to go by, look into the attacks from Disgaea, specifically, 5. Half of the big attacks you get from weapon mastery involve blowing up a planet but you can then turn around and reincarnate a character with them back to level 1, and those animations still play, but they can't kill a basic character that you could one shot when you were level 9,999. And this is noting that the final learned skill for fist weapons (secret skill not withstanding) is you condense all of existence save for yourself, and your targets into your hand and punch with enough force to then cause (as the skill is named) a new Big Bang. Basically if the attacks carried the weight that they're suppose to, the fights would be pretty meaningless.
I just found your channel and I love your content. I enjoy Death Battle, even though I know it's pretty biased but the fights are generally well made/entertaining. Dracula vs Ganondorf has to be my favorite of them all. That being said, I really wish Death Battle (or another Company/RUclipsr) would do something like: 'let's pick these two fighters and A) See how many enemies they could beat in (x) time, or B) (and the more interesting one) Can these two combatants beat this one combatant who either uses their weakness, or would regularly stomp one them if they tried to solo. I think a Goku and Superman fight -Insert Magic User Here- would be fun because A) Superman is weak to Magic, and B) Magic tends to be super broken in the DB Universe.
I believe the biggest offender of this is Ben Ten vs Green Lantern. They wrote off alot of Alien X's actual strength and made him seem weaker than he actually is. Alien X tanked a universe ending bomb to the face then proceeded to remake his entire universe after. And not only that Alien X could blink and make green lantern dissapear. They only said green lantern won because he went back in time ONCE in the comics. Green lantern never even beat Ben all he did was go back and time and cut off his arm. A feat that couldnt happen either since the Omnitrix has SEVERAL fail safes for situations like these. Like there is a whole ass episode where Ben has his hand with the omitrix cut off and he is fine. So as much as i love both combatants, Green Lantern should have lost as soon as alien X showed up
The scaling for Star Wars is beyond bizarre to me. Obi Wan scales to a black hole and has nanosecond reaction time, but Yoda loses to Mickey because Grogu passed out once.
They are hugely inconsistent with how they view the Force in the battles. In Vader's and Yoda's it's nerfed ... for some reason. But in Luke's and Obi-wan's it is buffed.
@@darththeo Imo Luke was also nerfed down severely to make it look like he was even with Harry. But Vader being nerfed down is oil on the fire, because Doom was so obviously going to win anyway. There was no reason to put Vader down so far.
I aint gonna lie yoda was nefed...but he aint winning against mickey they didn't really include any of mickeys major feats nor powers. yoda was down played but so was mickey. still the fight should have not been as one sided as it was.
Given this is freaking Kingdom Hearts, where Multiversal level keyblade wielders beat beings with Multiversal destruction levels with massive hax and magic, nobody in Star Wars can beat any of the wielders. And no, Keyblade and their wielders can simply says No to the Physics of whatever universe they are in, so they can beat even the most experienced Force User despite the Home Dimension Advantage they have.
The Gaara vs Toph one still leaves in awe by the sheer bullshittery of it. Saying an Avatar character can beat a Naruto character is the same as saying a Naruto character can beat a DBZ one. The power scale is just on another level.
@Noah zzstu Smith yeah it just depends on who it is. I have know doubt in my mind that a few avatars can straight up obliterate a good chunk of the naruto roster. Just like someone like rock lee can obliterate a good chunk of the atla roster.
@Noah zzstu Smith The issue with the Toph vs Gaara thing is that they made up feats for Toph to win. Since when did Toph display combat ability on that level of speed or control? The girl usually tosses a couple of rocks at a time. How can she blitz Gaara who has better control and creativity with sand? Then they completely neglected Gaara's fight IQ.
This is the only fight i think is wrong. Gaara is shown to use chakra and stamina with his attacks. But they made it seem like Toph just had to wait him out until he grew tired. Bending takes stamina to perform. Toph's biggest bending feats are comparable to bumi, who strained to bend large objects and was tired afterwards. To match gaara, toph should be at least as exhausted as gaara, if not more. Gaara's simplest (but still fatal) attacks take little chakra and are more than fatal enough to overpower an exhausted toph. Plus toph taking control of gaara's gold dust would take effort and time. No bender has ever been shown taking over someone else's bending material without effort; deflect yes, but not takeover.
The biggest problem with the Gaara vs Toph fight is the fact that they made bending take priority over chakra. Both Gaara and Toph can manipulate sand, Toph with bending and Gaara with chakra but they never explain why Toph's bending should ever take precedence over Gaara's chakra. Like what's the logic behind Toph's bending overpowering chakra? These are two different forces of nature. It makes no sense, it should work more like a tug of war. Both sides trying to manipulate it but neither being able to go all the way, in which case it would result in a purely physical fight which Gaara as a ninja should be able to easily win.
@@GrandInfernoElite garaa isn't actually using the gold dust tho. He is just having his sand work with it mixed in. Also we haven't seen an fight were one or the other lost. As they couldn't continue without one of them dying in the comics. Cuz that was the scope of their bending.
So here's a fight that's been bothering me: DIO VS Alucard At the end of the video, they state how Alucard would have no way to kill DIO without Ether sunlight or Harmon. What they failed to mention was that there was one other way to kill him. And it was kinda the main plot point in part 3. ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS DESTROY HIS HEAD. It makes me so mad they left this detail out. Because there are not one, but TWO different cases were this seems to work. (Soiler warning) The first case is when Jotaro caves DIO's scull in after playing dead. You can see how weak DIO's body gets. And he probably wouldn't have regenerated if he hadn't sucked Joseph's blood. The second case is the ending of the fight itself. Jotaro hits DIO in his weak leg which causes several of his body parts to explode. Well one of those parts were head. And after the head explodes, DIO dose not get back up. Therfore PROVING that all Alucard needed to do was destroy the head. Also, I don't like how they gave DIO his ice powers form part 1. Sure, he has some of his vampiric abilities. But in no way did we ever see him freeze someone in ice during part 3. Granted, he might not have had the need too. But I can see some instances where they could have been used. I know there are going to be people who may not agree with me. And I might have left some things out. But nobody's perfect
Breaking DIO's head is a strategy but then what? Your second instance is the instance of the STAND being destroyed and by proxy his body, he COULD get up from that too because the doctors after they recovered Joseph and DIO they then saw cellular activity going on meaning he was regenerating. My second problem with that is that even if he couldn't get up from that (which is false for all the reasons above) you stated in both instances that was JOTARO and guess what? They both have stands that can go at the speed of LIGHT (as proven by Silver Chariot cutting light and Star Platinum holding a punch barrage battle against it). Alucards highest speed feat (and this is the VERY highest someone wanked it so it is very likely to not be true) was Mach 1501. The speed of light is Mach 874,030 so Alucard couldn't even touch DIO without The World putting a hole through his chest and kicking him into a nearby building. Also I understand your point on DIO's ice powers but he was able to use them again after drinking Joseph's blood. But if you view DIO's personality, you'd know that he has always has been cocky about how his stand is the ultimate stand and how much he just loves to use it instead of his vampiric abilities so in context of DB rules, he can for certain use it. (P.S he regenerated from the head injury semi well to the point of being able to make attempted precise movements with his knife)
@@abdirashidabukur Silver Chariot cut a beam of light because Polnareff predicted its trajectory ahead of time, not because he reacted to it flying If I place a sword in front of a gun's barrel and end up blocking the bullet this doesn't make me faster than it, I just saw where it was going to hit before it fired
Well the thing about powers and abilities is that just because a character has them doesn't mean their going to be used other than in specific circumstances. You never see Star Finger or Sar S U C C again because those were only really good for those particular instances in which they were used. With Dio, he can STOP TIME. He probably doesn't feel the need to use ANY of his vampire abilities, and just because he doesn't use them does NOT mean he doesn't have them.
@@creativename1673Except Chariot had to be fast enough to not just swing the sword, also move there, which it did so fast the LIGHT SPEED beam looked like it was in slow motion(in anime), it's not comparable to "huuh durrr it's just like placing your sword in front of the barrel of a gun"
I get a strong feeling that DB starts from their conclusion about which character they want to win, and then work backwards to fill in the blanks with shoddy metrics and goofy logic to ensure that this character wins. You can use their own measures against them in a million different ways, and all of this would be fine if it were just for fun, but the way that they put on this veneer of objectivity and scientific inquiry never fails to irritate me.
One they got wrong that really pisses me off is then Ben 10 vs Green Lantern one. They literally say the omnitrix can react fast enough to protect bens arm, but then they let it get cut off in the fight.
oh that annoys me to no end. They said the omnitrix will react fast enough to stop the big bang from blowing up in his face but green lantern can just cut it off which is one of the reasons they said he would win.
@Rocky Croods but they never said how he would get around the omnitrix defense. They just said he would which is poor reasoning. They're doing comparative things way too often now for their reasoning and it is a crutch. Beating one assassin doesn't mean you can beat every assassin in an assassin's guild but DB would dub it so.
The two biggest issues with death battle's analysis that they constantly make is: 1. Treating every feat as a max feat when scaling (e.g. Character X survived hits from character Y who once destroyed planets, therefore he can take hits from planet busting attacks even though they've are typically damaged by far weaker hits before) 2. Equating travel speed to reaction to reaction / combat speed (Character X across the galaxy in 10 seconds, therefore he can move 10,000,000 times the speed of light when they have been hit by far slower characters and have never shown even close to reacting that fast in combat)
I like Death Battle, but there's a couple things they do allll the time that really bugs me. Namely, they constantly conflate max movement speed to max fight speed, and if multiple characters had contributed in some incredible feat of strength, they just divide out the required strength equally among all people involved. Like, no, if you can fly from one end of the universe to the other in an hour, that does not mean you can put the size of the universe in mph and say they can fight at that speed lol
Kakashi vs Obi wan Kenobi, Kenobis my all time favorite Jedi and it pissed me off they gave him feats that he didn’t even do, being very inaccurate on certain feats, and saying the force is limitless and doesn’t require energy or it’s taxing. To quote Han Solo “that’s not how the force works!”
I absolutely agree, and this is from a Kenobi fan. Jedi have been seen getting tired from exerting themselves too much, despite the force being everywhere.
The Force itselfe is probably limitless, but he obviously cant channel all of it just cause he wants. Also Kakashi can move faster then the Eye, and usually fights whit Proxies like a Thunder Bunshin. So stupid Battle.
Problem is Kakashi biggest buff the Obito's Susanoo is something he doesn't have regularly, and there's no way for Kakashi to stop Obi-Wan using the Force on him.
@@li-limandragon9287 Kawarimi no Justs is OP, and he sould be able to move faster then the Hunan Eye. And even if the Outcome is Obi Wan, he doesnt win by having infinite Power.
@@indg0205 6 was the passing grade I needed to keep watching the show after 5(with bronzewick farms being, bar none, imo the best arc in rwby and actually generally good), 7 actually dared to have quality. But it seems in v8 m&k got salty because viewers were not exclusively anti-authoritarian brainlets like them so they decided to strip all nuance from the conflict. We need people to know that leading people bad, quality be damned! The only part in v8 I enjoyed was the fact salem got tricked twice. She is actually a human being whose hubris fucks her over! They set it up in 7, foreshadowed it with hazel's betrayal and paid it off with cinder! Huzzah! The time wasted making cinder sympathetic to then double down on her being a horrible being annoyed me, especially with how cliche it was. And then you realize that james' semblance is never mentioned in-show, and he is made a caricature and a punching bag despite being a truly valorous man with some flaws. They had to practically replace him to make an antagonist for v8. I have many feelings on v8, few of them good. And most of them aren't about blunders made from lack of skill, but about the haughty airs that come despite the writing mistakes made. I was saddened by v5, since it was a genuine attempt at grander writing that fell flat because of multiple reasons, some the fault of the writers and directors and some not. V8 is just this "consume this and don't think" character assassination caused by us "not getting" the point of james. So they made him mentally ill and villainous because nobody's gonna care about a cis white man. But obviously they did except for the worst kinds of people because he is still a mentally ill person and RT should be hard at work to dog themselves out of this hole. Maybe have jacques and james have survived somehow and now they have to travel the world as vagabonds to reach the main characters and they can redeem themselves? Idk, but the show is stupid and the sooner it goes all-out the better.
Yang Vs Tifa: Yang saw an enemy bird flying over head and had NO idea how to get to it. ... TIFA JUMPS OFF A FREAKING BUILDING TO CATCH CLOUD AND LAUNCH HIMSELF INTO THE AIR! Yang cannot keep up with Tifa...on any level. If you take into consideration how fast Cloud was moving that he needed 7 boosts to make it into the atmosphere ( his jump, Tifa, Yuffie, Barret, Cid Vincent, Nanaki) and if Tifa supplied 1/7 of the physical strength to throw someone into the atmosphere... No strength feat Yang has compares to that.
I think the bad part about DB nowadays are the high amount of comparitive feats. It clusters characters too closer together without determining their real skills.
I can see your point though I would argue skill level isn’t always a factor in vs debates. Like if one character hits with 100000 tons of force and another has more skill but only hits with 100 tons, the wider skill gap ain’t gonna help them.
@@JIreland1992 yeah, but the two kinda go together really, like to say Gaara loses to Toph you have to scale them both completely wrong in every stat and then also ignore every skill that each character has.
@@dweebpatrol well I don’t agree with that fight so I can’t say anything about it. I will say that I do think skill does play into who wins but it does depend on how far apart the power gap is. Look at Lex Luthor vs DR Doom for example. Lex was physically more powerful but it wasn’t enough to overcome Dooms magic. Then look at Deadpool vs Mask, Deadpool was more skilled but the Mask was an unkillable cartoon god. It’s all dependent on the match up.
They are basicallt using dbz style power scaling of A>B>C, to justify compiling feats of multiple characters into one. Looks like Seth has corrupted them lol, I still remember Seth scaling All-Might to a black hole because a weaker superhero had black hole powers despite the fact that that superhero is not even a fighter. This is why I prefer tier style scaling, escentially you can put Thor, Hulk, Flash and Superman in the same tier without adding their feats to one another. This allows power scaling to be more specific, like Superman can beat flash and beat flash villains but this doesn't make him faster than Flash rather specific stats that Superman has like his versatility gave him the win. This makes it better than DBZ's powerscalers braindead method of A beats B who beats C, so A>B>C. Modern DB would deadass put Superman>Flash in everything including speed.
@@renegadeemperor realistically, Spider-man wins. Besides some very, very uncommon instances for both of them, Spider-man is typically shown to be faster, with lightspeed reflexes, and stronger, being able to support an entire jumbo jet on his back. Yes, we could take the time batman dodged darksied's lasers, and we could take the time in the mcu that Spider-man supported roughly 3600 tons, but given what we regularly see, Spider-man wins
Akuma vs Shao Khan was a big offender. They took canonically dubious data into account for Khan but wouldn't do the same for Akuma/Oni's feats in Asura's Wrath, in which he's a moon destroyer.
A power feat I'd give toph is holding wan shi tongs giant library from sinking into the spirit world for while. Also her ability to manipulate sand would be a huge surprise.Garra's completely used to fully controlling his sand and would have a hard time dealing with that. Though I do believe garra would win due to his durability
Yeah some of these fights might actually be closer than fans of one or the other, who may be working off of incomplete information, might realize. However, the death battle people have this exact issue despite it being their job XD
They explained how gaara could send sand into peoples bodies and control them however never explained how toph counters that. Toph doesn’t control things with her mind she uses certain movements.
@@The_endlessV1in tlok it is shown that you only need to move something likes eyes if that as a blood bender so I think earth bending would take a similar amount of movement at minimum also earth benders can still bend will completely in cased in rock or metal
even if say you have to move your eyes the point is she cant do things with her mind, gaara doesnt need this as his sand moves based on his mind all he has to do is think of doing something and the sand will do as its told which is better than eye movements. even then gaara sand can also move without his command, it will protect him at all costs even if his asleep. gaara can also change the density of his sand or amplify it with other materials for example he was able to amplify his sand with gold and have complete control over its properties @@calebkaminski6951
There's one more. The Scorpion vs Ryu fight, where they show Ryu killing Scorpion, but Scorpion wins anyway because they don't know the difference between an undead and a ghost. It's not much of due to their own logic, but it was just a mistake. They literally thought Scorpion was immortal but he was actually canonically killed by being cut in half by Subzero during Armaggedon.
As a Mortal Kombat fan, I hated how they brought up Scorpion's power rising while in Hell despite the fact that HOW MUCH his power rises is unspecified and likely not significant. If it was, why the fuck would he still get his ass whooped by Sonya (who is not stronger than Ryu) in MKX while in the Netherrealm Fortress?
@@mattross1162 I mean... There IS a Hell 2 in the MK universe (More like a deeper layer but I'm not entirely sure), but people can still die in the netherrealm. I don't know what happens to their bodies, so I'll need to doublecheck later... Because, if it worked like that, wouldn't *everyone* be "immortal" in there? 🤔
The issue I also have with DB is that they mix stuff from other continuities and treat it as canon. Like most of the Zelda vs Peach fight has been taken from non-canon source material.
And even with their own fucking logic it doesn't make sense cause Zelda is just magic bullshit and can teleport. That fucking Soccer kick was one of their dumbest examples of feats.
@@Bleeperblopper497 Yes and no. For example the platforming games, kart games and certain sport games are canon (due to stuff like Todette and certain references). But the rpgs are its own canon and Smash bros isn't canon.
i always roll eyes when they start throwing numbers, willingly ignoring the fact that the universe itself is severely nerfed in those fictions. everything in space is much closer.
@@thepsychobear2362 i heard about that in a video. i don't read comics, i only watched the dcau. i don't know about marveldc but dragon ball's is pretty nerfed. and it gotten worse when super retconed the amount of galaxies in the universe. i didn't like that because it was more frustrating. so many civilizations you will never know about. salagir the author of dragonball multiverse did a good explanation on a previous website. it's in english. www.dragon-ball-z.eu/these/Delires-Cosmiques.en.php why i hate when they take the moon blowing attacks seriously with their ridiculous 10.000.000 lightspeed calculations.
The real life Universe is absolutely OP, but the problem is we don't know enough about it. Like for whatever we may know, our Universe could have infinite parallel universes to go alongside with it, and has gone through an I nk ite amount of eras of Big Bounce and apparently a fairly new study suggests that is the reason why we even have some stupidly super massive black holes. Reality is always more insane and cliche than fiction will ever be, because we actually do not know that much about it.
Remember, they did put a weird amalgamation of the different links up against cloud, it's not like he was up against any official link. Of course link with all the best equipment he had throughout his different incarnations at that point was gonna win. The versatility of his arsenal was something cloud couldn't match.
@@krisgeno8049 They don't give any equipment to the FF characters outside of what they start with specifically or what they can do in other appearances (like Dissidia). Giving them their ultimate weapons was them being "generous." They claim all the equipment is player chosen and not something they have to get or us. While someone like Link gets all that equipment (albeit not every link has the same stuff)
The context to this quote is important, it's not about the victor it's about them not including the summons/fairies, which counted as outside help Also this was season 1, I'm not defending their answers, not even the ones during season 1, but that quote is taken completely out of context, and the rules have changed since season 1, severely, actually Also it was said at the beginning of Link vs Cloud, and also the quote is "Shut up this is our show and this is the way we do it." Once again, several of their results are complete bullshit, but no point in taking a quote out of context when you could just point out a wrong DB like everyone else
I still remember Starscream vs Rainbow Dash, where they have her survive a shot from a gun that has been seen to destroy cliffs. Also Starscream has survived shots from Megatron's fusion cannon, which can tap into a black hole. Somehow.
@@ezrawyvern6795 I don't remember him doing so, no, but considering he fires his null ray from his arm blasters, and those same arm blasters have been seen doing physical damage, it is safe to assume that disabling mechanical devices is more of a setting than a sole function. Or the blast has serious physical impact as well as there are lots of times he has shot and missied, and still caused landscape damage
11:11 Okay for the Serpentara feat they were comparing it with a stronger in every way Megazord, and stated that the blast to take out the stronger Megazord used less than haft of Serpentara’s full plant busting power.
Tifa: Scales to Sephiroth, who is solar system-level and beats Vergil. Death Battle: "She's a glass cannon." (No, I'm not saying Tifa is equal to Sephiroth. But she is at least strong enough to hurt him, fast enough to tag him, and durable enough to endure attacks from him, which is far more impressive than anything Yang has done.)
Even if we don’t count supernova since it is a bit pathetic damage wise, we know she is at least capable of keeping up with a planet buster with help. On her own even held her own and survived against one of his clones. While weaker than Sephiroth, still an incredibly dangerous opponent.
Fair... but even then, Yang’s semblance allows her to absorb all that damage and double it, making her twice as strong as Tifa, and she’s been building up those hits from the start.
@@sirensong237 But her aura and semblance can still get overtaxed and crack with enough pressure, and anything Tifa throws out is more than enough to break Yang.
Still don't know why people think summoning a meteor to blow up the sun makes Sephiroth solar system level. Me dropping a nuke on a city doesn't make me city level. Especially when it doesn't actually happen. Sephiroth himself being SS level would defeat the entire purpose of summoning meteor in the first place.
@@broom2839 Nuking a city makes you city level if you're in the city while the nuke is going off, or if the nuke doesn't do that much more damage compared to your other attacks. But I will concede that it is reasonable to interpret Sephiroth as below solar system, since to my knowledge, most of the plot of the game is him trying to pull off a planet-level feat. He is still far, far above anything in RWBY (except maybe the deities).
To be honest, with the Shadow vs Mewtwo fight I always say this when I see a character who can freeze time, Not just shadow. "Freeze time and just stab um in the chest, freeze time and stab um in the chest" Heck I do this with characters who have super speed which is why I hate Flash CW because 90% of the time Flash shows up and talks rather then get the job done with an instant knock out or relocate to a prison cell.
The other BIG flaw with the Toph vs Gaara fight was that Toph can see through vibrations in the ground, not "sense earth". That's the entire reason they let her see the habitually airborne Gaara, because they decided to change how Toph's blindsight works
I love Avatar, and even I knew it was BS. She does not "see" or "sense" earth, she feels the vibrations. In fact, she has trouble with sand because it makes her vision "fuzzy" since vibrations don't travel through it as well.
Love to his videos way that criticizes death battle for the flaws in their analysis and scaling without bringing up outside sources, Feats and statements while at the same time showing appreciation for the series. That’s why your a g nemesis.
Death Battle: This characters is shown here destroying a planet but due to very specific circumstances and plot points, we cant give him a Planet-Destroyer level Also Death Battle: This character claims he can destroy a planet, he never shows capabilities even close to being able to do that, but hey, he said it, it must be true
tracer vs scout: scout was hit by a rocket in the leg and 3 more in the face but due to a "very specific circumstance" they claimed this never happened. while for tracer she has never seen going more than 15 seconds back in time yet they let her go back almost 1 minute in the past also karate abilities and a second bomb out of nowhere.
@@CBT_Gaming123 Leave alone the Mugetsu scaling. They deadass screwed up Ichigo's transformations and general power scaling as well. While I don't care who really wins since they are both equally powerful, saying that Ichigo isn't planetary is just ridiculous. Didn't he blow up Hell?
@@gillettematch3188 Tracer also had her damn timey wobbly stuff broken multiple times from falling off to some big fist hitting it (or crushing it) while Scout was able to I believe kill not only a grizzly bear with a brittle bone of a human but also managed to outfight multiple gun wielding robots in a very tight situation
I'd say maybe the Apostle from the Golden Age arc after the rescue might be able to destroy a castle but not like one strike unless it's a support but they'd need to address that cause he's rarely seen in the adaptations
That Garra vs Toph fight is so much worse because they get a lot wrong about her abilities. Firstly, from the clips shown they seem to be fighting in a desert, which means that Toph shouldn’t be able to do any substantially powerful bending since she doesn’t know how to bend sand. Not to mention her blind sense is blurred because of the sand. Also, while Toph can see anything that is touching a bendable surface, she has to be touching that bendable surface to see anything. This means that Toph is at a disadvantage in every conceivable way when fighting against Garra, the ninja whose whole thing is fighting with sand
@@gillettematch3188 I tend to just enjoy the fight scenes themselves at this point. DB logic is sometimes flawed when you look at it. And then there's cases where fans know that they clearly didn't do their research properly.
Was really hoping you'd bring up the Ben 10 Green Lantern one. They explicitly mention the omnitrix's ability to instantly switch Ben's form without his input in the event of life-threatening danger, but they let Hal Jordan cut his arm off with scissors without that coming up at all.
I mean Death Battle should just be watched for fun imo anyway. Some of this stuff is not really their fault rather the fact that when you are dealing with comic books and things like that everything is so inconsistent. Even characters that return in multiple episodes will have their stats/feats change where they'll be stronger or weaker than they were the last time. I appreciate the effort they put in to researching but more because it's fun to learn rather than it actually plays a factor in the outcome. Like you'll fucking have one comic book where Spider-Man loses to Vulture and you can have another one where he literally beats Thor xD
The way DB presents their videos makes them sound like it's supposed to be objective facts cause of their super smart scientific analysis. And a lot of people actually take them as fact, I've been in some many discussions where someone said something like "Character A beat Character B in Death Battle, Character B is stronger than Character C, therefore Character A is stronger than character C"
This is why I went from watching their videos when they dropped to just watching them now and then. I can remove my bias for a character for the sake of these battles, but it seems like they have their own bias built-in to their analysis...
Blanka beating a "wild" Pikachu makes sense but Ash's Pikachu would've mopped the floor with him considering the scaling DB used in future episodes when it comes to Pokémon. Also I kinda forgot how gruesome the death was in Pikachu Vs Blanka (tho still not quite as gruesome as the Pokémon Adventures manga lol!).
To be fair though, feat-wise, Pikachu is extremely inconsistent. One episode, he beats legendary Pokémon no problem, and in the next, he gets his ass handed to him by a beginner's Snivy and even a fucking MARGIKARP out of all Pokémon. I mean, say what you want about Blanka, at least he's a consistent character with consistent abilities.
5:23 there's a crossover comic (probably 30 others too) where they fight and are deemed perfectly equal until something outside of them knocks them both off balance
The biggest thing that I will never forget is how they purposefully did not use power scaling in the first Goku versus Superman episode but proceeds to use power scaling in almost every other instance of death battle
@@jasonfranco5448 He wins regardless cause of Bias. They stated he was outflying infinity, and lifting endless weight, while he didnt. Green Lantern did, while he failed, and The Book had infinite Growth, but not infinite Pages. He has limits and can be beaten theoretically. Goku in the other hand. Before anything else, his Speed was set back to SSJ Numbers due to a Calculationerror, and sould be ten Times as fast. Also it was calculated from his casual Travelspeed whit a Powerlevel of maybe 800, while his Power against Freeza was at the Millions, whitout SSJ. I dont know Supermanlore, but I know Marvel and DC add a lot of Guys showing up, and randomly having universal Feets. So maybe he is stronger. But certainly not by this Messurement.
@@broom2839 Im pretty sure he is. Buu was able to destroy Gallaxys and would have destroyed the entire Afterlife. You could say hes weaker then Buu and only won due to Genkidama, but Buu was hard to beat, cause of his Regeneration, not Power. Goku was mostly tieing in Speed and Strenght. You could also say Goku is Streetlevel, cause his Beams destroy middlesized Rocks despite them at there weakest, likely beeing Moon and Planetpower, but thats just Inconsistency for the Sake of making the Show work.
@@fahadsanad1455 For Wally they said, and i quote "He was so fast, reality does not have any means to calculate or even comprehend his speed" while they said "In the words of the comic itself: Sonic's speed is incalculable" for Sonic. The episode is kinda confusing (which to be fair i don't blame them for, it's kinda inevitable for the matchup), but they kinda did put both at immesurable while also technically never directly using that term?
@@fahadsanad1455 the time stop feat was just that, a feat of speed. And it's not just time manipulation resistance as both characters are treated as faster than time itself. The only one confused here is you
What I didn't like about guts vs nightmare was comparing Dragonslayer as a replacement to the soul sword. Just because dragonslayer is magical doesn't automatically mean it can replace a sword of legend that's been fated to be the only thing that can destroy Nightmare.
Death Battle logic is always terrible - "A cockroach can survive a nuke, Mike Tyson can crush a cockroach with his fingers, that means Mike Tyson can tank a Nuke"
No, DB, no he can't
Hahaha now that's funny 😂😅
Bro imagine that happening irl
Dude you missed the boxing match were Mike Tyson fought a nuke
Now that I think about you could technically scale him to little Mac witch you could technically scale to characters in smash but that is a biiiiiiiiig stretch
Exactly
Death battles comparing is like:
Yamcha was able to withstand Goku and Goku can withstand Beerus so Yamcha can withstand Beerus
Leaving out the fact that Goku was a kid
THIS
1000%
XD
I have Tifa vs Yang flashbacks. "We never saw her use her magic against humans"
Pretty much. I really gave on Deeath Battle back when they determined Goku's speed based on him running Snake Way back in first Goku vs Superman. Doesn't matter that was super in the beginning of Z and he got way faster even without any transformations.
This was hilarious
You laugh but I've heard Dragon Ball power-scalers recite that word for word.
There's a way more glaring issue with the Jotaro Vs Kenshiro battle, the fact that they missed Jotaro knows Kenshiro, because he reads Shonen Jump.
I think the ideia was a battle wihout any knowledge (sorry if i said something wrong, i'm not a native english speaker)
@@dois_dee but in some fights, characters refer to one another by name, like in the Iron Man fights
@ShiningMoon for me it's Ben 10 vs green lantern. As Kevin says celestial sapians could blink and they'd be gone. Plus if alien x can reverse time stopping green from killing/ cutting off the watch early if possible. Plus the omnitrix will give Ben an alien to save him when needed like with the big bang.
@ShiningMoon By their analysis Dio is basically gonna stomp, and if Alucard tries to use his blood sea or zombies or whatever he's just making Dio more powerful.
I haven't watched Hellsing though so this might be another death battle where they say things that are just not true like Android 18 vs Captain Marvel, that death battle is embarrassing, I think most millennials have watched Dragonball enough to remember the only androids that can suck energy are 19 and 20.
@ShiningMoon Yeah I haven't watched Hellsing so I'm gonna stick to what the death battle showed.
Dio gets stronger through the absorption of blood, what are you talking about?
Death Battle should not be taken as the end all be all to who a character would win in a fight.
The true answer is, as Stan Lee once said, who wins is whoever the writer wants to win
True but Death Battle is like a writer who says this character would win but they lose to a weaker character who realistically wouldn’t stand a chance.
if i see a dumbass comment like this again imma lose it
True
Most logical comment
That's what I decided a long time ago. The whole "Who would win in a fight between __________ and _______________?" is pointless because the winner is whatever drives the plot forward to the story.
The thing that ticks me off is when DB says "person a beat person b in a fight (not a race) and person b is exactly this fast so we can say person a is also this fast"
Yeah no, if I smack Usain Bolt in the face with a sledgehammer that does not mean I can outrun him, it means I'm the jackass that can sneak up on someone with a sledgehammer.
This made me laugh a lot more than I thought it would...
Yeah I'm going to hell for laughing at that one.
But technically if you were able to catch up to him and hit him then it would mean you're at least close to the same speed as him
@that idle shantae individual then you're talking about combat speed and in most fictional stories a character combat speed is relative to their travel speed
Like how in comics through comic bs Batman can like.. snare Flash in a net, doesn't mean Batman is as fast as Flash, just that he predicted where he would be and set a trap
"Being wrong in versus is a matter of heavy subjectivity, not objectivity"
Preach, brother.
In Death Battle style matchups that can be true, but there are matchups where one character would just objectively win every time. As an extreme example; Zeno from Dragon Ball Super can casually eradicate whole universes without even getting tired, and can do this for several in a row while still showing no fatigue. Pair him up against, say, Pikachu, and there's simply just no contest. There's never any indication anywhere given to suggest that Pikachu could compete with a multiverse buster. Similarly, there's no reason to believe Crash Bandicoot could win against Superman, or etc.
That quote is idiotic to the extreme. There's nothing subjective about comparing a feat to another feat and contextualising it to see which is better. A character will either win or they will lose or you will contextualise why they won't always win, that isn't subjectivity. It's *Objectivity.*
Its opinionated cause its fiction, But these opinions can come to a logical conclusion dictating the accuracy of the victor of the versus
@@Thurnmourer the quote is for mostly what you consider canon, example: would you give him ssj4 while also going blue and ui? If you use composite verisons of the characters then yes the quote doesn't work. But using specific characters has to do with what you think could logically due within it's canon.
That statement is not true in 2 occasions, Ryu vs Scorpion and Deathstroke vs Deadpool. Both are objectively wrong, not subjectively.
Ryu destroyed Scorpion while under the effects of the Satsui no hadou which is well known for it's capabilities of destroying even souls, meaning, there is 0 chance of Scorpion returning from that, and yet he managed to asspull a return.
Deathstroke is superior to Deadpool in everything but regeneration, but Deathstroke has already defeated even trully immortal beings before in comic books. the Death Battle asspulled a victory for Deadpool but that has 0 chance of happening because Deathstroke already knows what to do with seemingly immortal enemies, all Deathstroke needed to do was to cut Deadpool to pieces(which he actually did), seal those pieces apart, and toss them either in a pool of acid or in lava.
Can we talk about how in Cloud vs Link, Link just straight up gets every item in the series even though every Link is different?
Ah the wild west days of S1 DB
What REALLY grinds my gears is that they gave link the win through the z-lock on function which is not a canonical ability but a fuckin game function. But yeah, cloud got cucked hard on his equipment. The fight was crap
@@pumkinhead24 didn't he win in the rematch?
@@jacobgraemoor5778 yknow, I don't actually know. Haven't watched. Stopped caring about DB after the myriad of injustices. It wouldn't matter. In a fair fight given all their equipment and at the top of their game, link doesn't stand a chance.
they do this a lot, ya know
they do it for every single comic book character
"well in 1 series this character benchpresses the entire universe, and in another unrelated series, they become batman, therefore...."
Like, yeah, pitting EVERY FEAT FROM EVERY WORK against some Anime character who only has 1 source to his name, and thus only the feats within it, is going to end up looking bad
and I honestly hate it
I like the battles, but their ability to gauge speed always baffles me. Reaction speed doesn't necessarily equate to how fast you can move.
Yeah, seeing something coming is great and all, but you still gotta be able to move fast enough to counter it.
@@radbman5932 I can attest that from how many dodgeballs I took to the face. I knew they were coming but be damned if I could get out of the way of it
Stitch Vs Rocket.
Yea and how dodging lightning and lasers means they are at or faster than light when it's like....no....that's just called dramatic effect....
Sasuke vs Lee for example.
Don't forget how Starscream literally got his soul devoured by Rainbow Dash
And apparently eating the equivalent of a live wire wouldn’t electrocute the hell out her and would only give her slight indigestion.
I never watched MLP but does Rainbow Dash is so stupid that she’ll eat something like that or did they really just wanted to have a death and not just rule him out as harmless or cannot effect organically thus he loses.
@@Predator20357 the source where they got the sequence of Starscream's life spark was from a manga where he possessed a human girl. Thus RD should have just become a host body for him using the same law. Like she would even eat that to begin with.
@@ilovemoms5385 Oh, I thought that it was a cyborg girl or something but yah, Not only would Starscream should’ve possessed RD but hell, she shouldn’t have eaten it, he didn’t turn into a cupcake or anything
@@Predator20357 RD is a tomboy who does before thinking out her plans. It’s like comparing her mentality to hopscotch compared to a standard pony’s checkers mindset.
@@Predator20357 I cant say anything about the pocession, but she kinda tanks lightning as her job(literally).
It's pretty obvious that they only had Yang win against Tifa to advertise RWBY.
I will not be happy until they redo that battle and have Tifa stomp Yang
I never understood why Tifa lost. Never will.
Plus Monty oom died & we need to worship the dead
Yang literally one shot by Neo's thin metal stick. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Hence why it is one of the worst.
I also love that in the Cloud vs Link one, they mesh every form of Link together into one (in no game has he ever had all of the items they gave him, and each Link is a separate individual) while only giving Cloud initial equipment. "Oh yeah, of _course_ Link has every item from every game. Cloud? I dunno, give him the buster sword and the four weakest materia, idk."
Even though you're talking about the first Link vs Cloud, this comment still makes me happy because I was infuriated by the compositing of Link in the second Link vs Cloud for the exact same reason, no Link has had EVERY ITEM EVER and they are all their own people. They also ironically did to Link what they did to Cloud, ignoring things that could make Link win or at least stronger, they don't give him the full Triforce because its 'not standard' even though its been used by a Link 3 times but the cloak from Link to the Past that I am pretty sure only has one use? Fair game I guess. No, Link can't have the reality warping object that could potentially just wish Cloud away but he can have a cloak that turns him invisible.
They screwed cloud pretty hard despite clearly being the more powerful warrior
As much as i love loz, cloud is just leagues ahead of any link. The only way link wins is if he has his reality bending equipment from one of the games. Cloud is far more stronger, faster, and durable than link.
@@nope9885 I think they should have used child link from Majora's mask with the fierce deity mask. Hyrule warriors shows the fierce deity cleaving the moon in two and while canonicity of that feat can be argued it would still make the fight closer.
They did the same thing with Superman vs Goku if I remember correctly but that’s a whole disaster on its own
Whenever they bring up a “This character dodged this laser beam or this lightning strike so they have light-speed reaction times” I just roll my eyes.
I mean, most power scalers even aside from Death Battle, have no fucking clue what the speed of light even is/means
Doesn't it? Like if i can consistentky Dodge lazers that means i can atleast be able to get close to light speed
By this same logic, 100%ing _Final Fantasy X_ makes you (the player) literally superhuman, since you have to dodge lightning 200 times in a row.
I just. Fuckin hate speed scaling in general. I mean it's important bc the flash exists but it just becomes the focus of almost every fight when it's just not satisfying.
@@amiablereaper my problem with speed characters is... if they can react and move so fast.... how does shit like the flash getting a bomb clipped to his arm even happen in the first place? Or how do they even fight when they are still sight based beings?
if you move faster than the speed of light... you cant see anymore and would go blind...
the faster you go the more photons crash into your eyes to trigger receptors to stimulate nerves in your brain... imagine if you move at the speed of light... all those photons would overload your eyes and you would be blind. Would be like your eye-ball is directly in the sun itself.
Or the other thing would happen, you move faster than light so your eyes wouldnt be able to pick up photons in the first place because your body is moving faster than photons... again you would be blind.
They act like science and shit just dont exist... then use science to explain things... its annoying...
another thing that bugs me about DB:
Battle A: this character was said to be able to do this, but it was never shown explicitly, so we didnt consider it as true.
Battle B: even though it was never explicitly shown, it was said that this character can do this, so it must be true.
One thing that bugs me that I said on another comment.
Death Battle: This character can do this.
Death Battle after the character loses: They can't actually do this.
Essentially when they bring up feats like Beast lifting a golden tree...but not really or Sigma scaling to Megaman who scales to Duo...but not really and there is more that I can't recall but they do this often where they make a character seem far stronger than they are, then go "Not really" when they lose. Either they have a shit script writer or they are trying to trick the audience into thinking a certain character has a chance when they don't.
Or the “we won’t use power-ups or devices that are only temporary”
What bothers me is how they do feat scaling, Gray Fullbuster vs. Esdeath they completely ignored that Gray regularly matches Natsu in physical strength and that in a weakened state Natsu can throw building-size creatures. So like, do we have any evidence whatsoever that she could take a single hit from him? Not really. If you want to say she still has her time control ability and could kill him, sure but ignoring Gray's rather impressive strength and durability makes make think that they had decided the winner before doing the research. My skepticism of this is only increased by Heie vs Sasuke in which they assert 'Heie must be capable of x because he scales to Yusuke', yeah okay dude.
"Lex Luthor could fight Larfleeze, therefore he is as powerful as a Green Lantern"
That's like saying, Usain Bolt can run faster than Floyd Mayweather, therefore he can beat Connor McGregor in a fight.
@Rocky Croods he may actually scale to a green lantern but that doesnt change the fact that under the given logic to support that claim its actual bs
“Oh goody so can a lvl1 fucking Diglett.” That killed me 😂😂
That part was hilarious!
Yeah it was hilarious!
The disrespect 😂
yeah, i mean i love toph a lot. but that episode hurt me
Yeah, he could
I want to point out this:
In Joker vs Sweet Tooth, the main factor why Joker won was because he outsmarted his opponent, i.e. being smarter in the situation = win, which makes sense.
But then we switch over to Carnage vs Lucy where they didn’t give Carnage that benefit and the god awful „more TNT = win“ rule was applied. Carnage is a genius when it comes to psychological strategy and possibly the best killer in all of Comics. When he realizes that one way of attacking his victim doesn’t work, he doesn’t go for a second attempt with the same attack, he pbserves and adjusts to his opponent. Not to mention that with him being a cold hearted psycho, he would use Lucy‘s love for animals against her for oppenings. But they didn’t.
Not to mention they said Lucy would kill herself for her ultimate attack, meaning it would come down to a draw, but nah, they ignored that and let her win no problem.
That’s because Joker is DC, who is owned by Warner Bros, who also owns Rooster Teeth
@@lolstalgic9602 huh...the more you learn
Thanks stranger on the internet 😊
@@lolstalgic9602 but DC characters have also lost in death battle. Your claim doesn't mean anything.
@@andreizamfir3232 The only ones who lost were absolute curbstomps or human. Anytime a high Tier comes in the research gets cherrypicked
@@lolstalgic9602 interesting saying "research gets cherry picked". I agree. But it's not death battle fault. It's just that given how much source material and contradictions there are in marvel and DC, any character can be put in any tier. Heck, even Aunt May can be scaled to be stronger than Oblivion through enough mental gymnastics.
The problem I always had with Yang VS Tifa is that they calculated Yang's durability based on her going through a concrete pillar, and explained how much a pillar can resist. Except they used the pillar's ability to resist vertical force being pressed down on it, when Yang's feat involved her going through it sideways.
@ShinigamisCreationthey've both got the unkillable thing going on lol
@ShinigamisCreation it's been a minute since I've seen it, but doesn't it actually just take sunlight to kill him, if I remember correctly jotaro obliterated his body and skull and he wasn't dead until after being in direct sunlight. I honestly don't have enough knowledge on Dracula to make a real decision lol.
@ShinigamisCreation aye fair enough, I always thought that alucard wasn't effected because he was half, if Dracula isn't killed by sunlight, he has advantage abusing that alone, assuming his presence doesn't "blot out the sun" or something like that.
@ShinigamisCreation that mob v tets fight was painful because while tets did haver far more power mob has way more in his toolkit one of those tools being the ability to absorb and use the psychic power of others and they just ignored it all for raw strength
@ezlomacks6533 wrong. Jotaro killed dio by destroying dios stand, in other words his literal soul. He was dead after that, they just took his body into the sunlight for good measure. This also means the only ways to really kill him are destroying his stand + sunlight.
Death battle: jason's helmet can be broken by a 'similar' knife to the one bucky's arm blocked
Meanwhile on the page they're showing:
That's strange, normal knives can't break my helmet
"Don't take Jason breaking Supergirl's grip out of context"
>they were literally the ones who took it out of context
@@TheSecondVersion it's amazing as well because they highball jason's venom by saying it gives him 10x strength based on bane even though it would be fairer and more consistent to claim he was micro dosing
Also it's weird to compare "defense" with a *helmet* and an *arm.* They're two completely different pieces of equipment. Red Hood can't block blades or bullets with his bare hands, and Winter Soldier would die if someone headshot him from behind. A helmet is passive defense; you don't have to actively control it or notice a threat for it to protect you. Meanwhile Bucky actually has to *move* his arm to use it as a shield, and if he's disoriented (by say, a flashbang), it becomes much less effective.
This is the exact one that made me stop watching Death Battle.
Indeed. Even Batman has struggled against one of them.
The Biggest issue with these Death Battles are one thing: Composite versions of characteres.
yeah, it makes it hard to talk about a lot of the fights. take Ben vs Lantern, if you were thinking of most modern depictions of Green Lantern during discussions it would make sense that Ben would win but i literally had a guy send me to a Reddit with a link to a crusty ass multi-decade old comic page of obscure silver age bullshit and I'm like "thanks for reminding me that American comics have characters nearly centuries old that have literally dealt with the multiverse ending multiple times"
Painfully accurate
Unlike Death Battle
XD
@@_Sage967_ except the fact that the modern lantern IS the silver age version and survived all the crisis events unchanged is a major plot point. And DC merged the continuities anyway. There is no "non composite", green lantern by that logic. This fact was even one of the reasons they gave WHY Hal won.
Heck, Hal personally reversed one of the crisis events. And if we take his most recent issues, Hal can summon millions of universes worth of energy per universe in the DC multiverse.
@@danielwilson8604 .... its like you didn't pay attention at all
@@_Sage967_ ugh, sorry. typo. i mean one of the reasons hal won. thank you. What i mean is, they didn't use different versions of green lantern. all those multi-era versions you saw are the SAME green version of hal.
I remember how peach was able to kick a soccer ball and it would turn into three balls so she scores three times.
Therefore she has so much kicking power she could break a soccer ball twice.
Which means she can obliterate a human body by kicking it. Has she shown any strength or durability (her leg doesn't get obliterated) feats even remotely similar?
I have a problem with that feat to but it is nothing to do with the actual streath of being able to do so.it the fact that she made three balls with that kick not split it into three meaning it was done through some sort of magic that multiplied jt.
i think ris grestar disliked using that to cite her kicking strength, since he felt spin-off material should not be used as sources
Her keeping up with mario in a game of tennis is better scaling than that soccer bs
In the games where she fought Bowser, she scales way higher than kicking a soccer ball lol
Well, she's no normal human so no, her leg wouldn't get obliterated. Also. She can break bricks.
I think it’s hilarious how they say that BONK! makes Scout invincible. When it doesn’t, it just slows his perception of time allowing him to react to bullets quicker along with dulling his pain senses IF he is hit.
So Tracer’s ONLY feat to surpass Scout doesn’t matter because he could just drink BONK! and then proceed to beat the shit out of Tracer because his reaction time is now instant. Also yeah, canonically he can still attack while in BONK!.
Also don't forget that Scout almost never double jump, or maybe never.
Death Battle: "Character 1 was faster when travelling from point A to point B, therefore they have the speed advantage in a fight."
That's like saying Usain Bolt can beat Mike Tyson in a fight because he can run faster.
Well, no. It's like saying if bolt and Tyson were fighting, bolt would have the speed advantage
Ehhh... there's a degree of speed where it probably matters and humans aren't at that.
When you are flying around, your flight speed will matter in a fight. If you're moving at speeds faster than your opponent can react it makes a difference in a fight. Speed also = force.
Just as a hypothetical example (with bullshit numbers) Usain Bolt can run at the speed of sound. His standing punching force is 5kg and he's never received official fighting training.
Mike Tyson can run at 15kmph, as a standing punching force of 150kg and has all of his fights under his belt.
Usain Bolt therefore has a body that can withstand running at the speed of sound. All he has to do is run at a speed where his body mass is enough to crush a human an tackle Tyson and he wins.
Speed matters when gravity and directions don't, characters that can run at those speeds can use it better in a fight than Bolt can.
Except mike Tyson and Usain bolt's difference is speed is within normal human limits... Fictional characters don't operate on the same parameters... A speed difference of 1 mach is already so impossible for the slower character to respond in the real world... That's basically you trying to react to a gun when fired from point blank... So of course, if you widen the gap to FTL speeds, the impossibility of a win for the slower characters becomes more evident.. of course there are ways around it but speed is one of the most basic factors first to consider when two characters are matched up.. with all that said, speed is not the only factor to consider of course and it's not always correct that the faster character wins all the time... It only applies when the speed difference is so high that one character is practically fighting a statue (I.E. FTL characters vs non-lightspeed characters) and the statue has nothing to offset the speed difference...
@@vashe4008 True but flight/Running speed is different then fighting speed. You could be faster than someone but be slower when it comes to hand to hand combat. Right?
Thats bull. They specifically say in those situations that travel speed and fighting speed are different.
I knew that Yang Vs Tifa was just Favoritism because of Rooster Teeth
Actually, Death Battle wasn't owned by Rooster Teeth at that point, the merger happened a year after the episode aired, but it's still wrong and even they corrected it in Deadpool vs The Mask.
@@houldenmelville5530 Don’t forget Monty Oum died in February 2015 when RWBY Volume 3 was beginning production and the Death Battle was to help promote it when it came out in October and the Battle came a little before the premiere
So they most likely did it because they still missed Monty and thought Yang losing would be insulting in to his work since Ben Singer (Wiz) looked up to him
Though that doesn’t excuse the episode and incorrect outcome
@@giggukardaguy9077 They've gotten alot better since then, and now we have the far superior Weiss vs Mitsuru, an episode with an accurate outcome and respect for both characters.
@@houldenmelville5530 favortism was still at play. They worked closely with Monty prior and the VAs of RWBY. They even got the Yang VA for the fight. The episode was literally made to promote the upcoming season of RWBY.
@@ryanjohnson781 But they still corrected it, if we judge them for that one episode then we ignore a huge gap of progress they've made.
Man, I'm still ticked at Toph vs Gaara. Let's just take Toph while she's in her prime at the very end of the original series and put her up against post-timeskip Gaara AFTER he lost his biggest asset, the demon that gave him nearly infinite Chakra and allowed him to use all of his huge stupidly powerful super expensive sand attacks. And then let's take him complaining about how much energy those moves drain and use it to prove that he'd just fizzle out way too fast.
Yeah, no shit. Of course he'd have a hard time fighting while he's in the worst condition of his life using a ton of techniques that weren't even made for him with that level of energy. But Toph can see sand, sooo.... I guess she just wins or whatever. It's not like Gaara's able to manipulate more sand at once and attack people harder, faster, and more freely or anything.... If Toph ended up in the Sand Coffin once then she'd be screwed just because bending is a martial art and you have to be able to move your body to actually do things. Meanwhile, Gaara's sand wall is, well, automatic. And the iron in it would make it harder than normal rocks, presumably, just because it's hardened metal filings.
This fight was stupid.
To make things even worse, Toph's bending style isn't even that mobile, Earthbending tends to be about superior attack and defense. You know, attacking people head-on and picking your moment. So she'd be extra unequipped for stuff like the sand tendril(?) that crushed Lee's leg, even while being able to sense where it is. And once ANY of her limbs goes, that's going to directly screw with her fighting abilities a ton. With Gaara, though? He could literally break both his legs and lose an arm, and he'd still have superior mobility with his sand while also being able to kill with the Sand Coffin.
1) the didn’t take in her prime Toph they used a weird mash of Toph when she was still pretty young, before she was an adult, saying she was in her prime at the end of ATLA is grossly misunderstanding her.
2) the two universes have *very* different magic systems in them, who’s to say that Charka isn’t anywhere near equivalent to bending. So Gara having “nearly unlimited Chakra” is a mute point.
3) Toph can bend metal, meaning that all the iron (and I thought it was gold in his sand?) is doing is giving Toph *more* control over it.
4) if you took both of them at their prime I believe Toph would still win (admittedly I don’t know as much about Gara as Toph) Toph at her peak bending capabilities can sense vibrations from massive distances away and could easily bend massive chunks of earth so I don’t know but I’m not sure Gara could survive getting dropped into the molten core of the earth.
@@braedenmclean5304 I watch and love both series. Gaara stomps not only Toph but really the whole Avatar Universe. He’s way faster, stronger and durable than anyone in the show. His sand is keeping up with people at light speed. Toph is nowhere near that speed. Plus Gaara’s sand is not only controlled by his chakra but also by his moms spirit that automatically shields him. Even if Toph could overpower Gaara’s sand (she can’t not even his own father could or even try), she would also have to overcome his moms spirit which I don’t even think an Avatar could do. In conclusion, Toph loses before she can even sense what hit her.
@@dco7710 like I said, power scaling and magic systems are so vastly different it’s not *really* compatible.
And I’d argue that some avatars could *easily* body Gara. Unless your would argue that somehow Gara could counter bloodbending, lava, the air being taken out of his lungs among plenty of other ways for a fully powered avatar to take him out in seconds.
It's also not like the show actually says "Toph cannot see through sand, plus she can't tell when something is flying at her", her senses are tied to the ground, not earth, she wouldn't be able to see the sand coming at her and would have to guess by Gaara's movements.
@@almento7804 that’s actually incorrect. It was stated that Toph can sense “earth” not just the ground. There is a scene in her debut episode where rocks are flung at her from an opponent in the air, she catches and tosses both of them aside.
Raises some good points. Death Battle has a habit of putting Strength vs Strength and Endurance vs Endurance, like Thor vs Wonder Woman, or Red Hood vs Winter Soldier. They very rarely put an explanation on how someone gets past a strength or weakness unless its already super one sided.
I also have a problem with the constant use of SCALING going on in more recent episodes, like Saberwulf vs Jon Talban. They'll show a feet someone else does in some other way and say "well that proves he's as strong", but lose all of the context. Scaling only really works if both people are putting in their all when fighting (or the person you are analyzing was at least and use THAT encounter for feats). Its like saying that I can catch a cat, therefore I must be as quick as a cat who has faster reflexes than a human. No, that makes no sense, cause all I did was likely corner it. Someone's ability to control buildings with a special power doesn't really tell you about how another person has strong muscles. Context matters.
Exactly! Scaling is so god awfully stupid it allowed CRISIS, another "who would win" and "how powerful is blank" RUclipsr, to say Solid Snake, a confirmed fucking human, can physically overpower and outrun Raiden, a guy who, and let that shit sink in, throws giant, as in huge-building-sized, robots up in the air, and managed to stop a huge warship with one hand. But nooo, Snakey wins because sCaLinG. I swear, some complete imbecile is gonna say Batman is ftl and a universe buster because he managed to defeat Superman a few times (completely ignoring the huge kryptonite dildo or whatever Batman makes out of that green rock this time).
@@quantumvideoscz2052 They actually did that in Red Hood vs Winter Soldier. "Jason Todd escaped the grasp of a Kryptonian". Toddlers escape the grasp of their parents all the time, that feat means nothing.
Yeah the using other peoples stats for a character is so dumb. They use to be pretty strict that no outside help and just the own characters canon feats would be used now it’s almost a free for all for a characters stats and it’s so stupid and shows massive basis in a lot of episodes now.
@Ronald Nygma yes it does.
@@LevelUpLeothey brought the feat specifically to explain the context that it didn’t actually mean anything
"She can manipulate sand!"
"And guess what so can a level one f+cking diglett."
I love this.
Edit: I talk about Diglett,and started a war...well that's the internet for ya I guess
She can also manipulate metal later in the show
@@jakewulgar
I was talking about that one scene
Level 1 diglett > gaara confirmed
@@milesandrews6711
It doesnt even need confirming we all knew it was a fact
@@jakewulgar no she can't
In Vergil vs. Sephiroth, they calculated all Vergil stats but forgot to multiply it when he Devil Triggers for some reason...
They also didn't mention Safer Sephiroth....like once
And also one side battle which should be never happen.
They put island lvl vs SS lvl character which literally unfair from the beggining.
I feel like if they did current Vergil vs Sephiroth then Vergil would sweep Seph away, Vergil is so strong that he has surpassed the Devil Sword Sparda (The sword Dante used to defeat Mundus, and Dante surpassed his father)
@@silvershadow9967 but Sephiroth almost blew up a planet and supernova exists... Yeah vergil is stronger
@@goon5665 Mundus was able to create an entire universe and Agrosax is able to alter reality to his own will, both have been defeated by Dante who has surpassed his father Sparda and Vergil broke Rebellion with one punch and has defeated Dante who used the Devil Sword Sparda. Not to mention he obtained the same power as Mundus did by eating the Qliphoth Fruit and became powerful than Mundus did, Vergil has reached the point he has the power to surpass Sparda and Mundus but only Dante can beat him because of his equal strength and abilities.
The thing that bugged me the most about Winter Soldier vs Red Hood is that they had previously stated that Batman was so close to Captain America in terms of physical ability that his significantly superior combat training was enough to make up the difference but suddenly with Jason and Bucky Jason looses because his use of venom isn't a constant effect like Bucky's super soldier serum.
Like I went into that one expecting Bucky to win but the breakdown of their abilities convinced of the opposite. Based solely on how DB explained it the fight should have been a slow and steady push in Winter Soldiers favor that Red Hood reversed as soon as he used venom at which point he'd have destroyed Winter Soldier before the venom wore off.
I don't know nearly enough about the characters to be confident that's what should've happened in general but based on the DB analysis, especially taking Bat v Cap into account...
For me the thing that piss me off the most in that death battle was that they said that red hood mask could analyze guns or somthing like that but his mask couldn’t pick up that the gun had hand scanner
@@crimsonemperor143 That's an overarching problem with Death Battle over all. The fights don't *really* matter. That is the depicted version of the fight doesn't necessarily represent how the fight should actually play out.
It's a bullshit cop out they've been using forever that the only thing that really matters about the fight is the winner. They frequently portray characters and fights in laughably incorrect fashion sometimes more blatantly than others.
@@Draiocht012 exactly. For instance the Buu vs Kirby one. They showed Buu losing because of the sun. Then never explained how Kirby would have actually defeated Buu without the use of the sun (which is counted as outside help in death battle). There was nothing shown or explained outside of the animation that would give Kirby the win as either everything they showed and explained it honestly at most would have been a constant stalemate if the two. So the deciding factor was indeed Kirby’s use of the sun in the animation.
Plus, the venom dosage is perfectly calculated to maximise his strength gain without diminishing his mental faculties. He'd gain a massive strength boost whilst retaining his intellect, like how Bane calculates his typical dosages
It was that and the Doomslayer vs Master Chief episode that made me think that DB chooses favorites
I could understand most of this just being favoritism and that’s fine. But what really irks me about these death battles is when they say “we’ve run the calculations through all possibilities.” Which makes it a certainty and that’s irritating. Cause I’m pretty sure in Ben 10 vs. Green Lantern, “all possibilities” would mean GL could 100% destroy every last one of Ben’s aliens ALONG with the busted technology of the Omnitrix which is blatantly false. Instead, they speed ran the fight just to use Alien X, not use him correctly, and proceed to beat Ben using tricks that would never work to begin with.
Yeah. They even completely disregarded one of the quotes they used.
The second Alien X comes out on a fight, unless it's against another celestialsapien or similar level being, the fight's already decided, it's a matter of how merciful Ben decides to be at that point.
He didn't even NEED Alien X in the fight.
Here's 5 other aliens that would bear Hal:
1. Feedback. The constructs are composed of energy, which can be absorbed
2. Toepick. He's able to instill dear and disgust with just his face, and the ring is stated to require concentration to use
3. Pesky dust. Again, the ring requires concentration to be used, and you just gotta put him to sleep when he's in low orbit
4. Upgrade. Take control of the ring and turn it against Hal
5. Nanomech. Fly int his brain and sever his brainstem
@@sev1120and he could use gutrot and make a scarecrow fear gas or his own basically his more niche aliens can beat green lantern
To be fair, they never say that they're actually _using_ any of the possibilities, just that they analysed all of them. ;3
And in the close fights, they will often say that X character will win a certain amount, but MOST often, Y character comes out on top.
My biggest problem with death battle is them comparing movement speed to combat speed. Usain Bolt runs really fast, but that doesn't mean he can throw more punches than Bruce Lee (when he was alive, obviously)
There’s also reaction time, someone might be able to run at light years but can still be killed by a gun shot to the head as they couldn’t react fast enough to a gun going off.
@@Predator20357 Like Goku getting shot by the ring beam while his guard was down.
Exactly, reaction time and movement speed are two different things.
It depends on the character in question.
Seriously they did that with Wonder Woman.
I also like how this is just poking holes in what they have said themselves and not bringing up anything extra.
@Javier Linares exactly
I mean, that's literally the point of this video.
Cant read the title can you?
Jeez guys, I fuckin know. I was just saying I liked that. Christ.
they say they bring both fighters at their max but during tracer vs scout they put tracer from the cinematics+the one from the games+comics tracer vs a nerfed scout from the game that uses weapons from games that aren't tf2.
i was always bugged by how Tracer vs Scout had Scout hit her with an attack that does 500 damage (aka, over 3x Tracer's health), and yet she stays alive and wins
Game mechanics are not how power scaling works. Lets make an easy example. Lets say a baseline human in one game has ten health, and another identical baseline human in a different game has 1000. If a gun in the second does 800 damage, it's an entirey different system and numbers like that are meaningless.
What s meaningful is if a character can survive the gunshot.
1 point of damage in TF2 is roughly the same as 1.4 points of damage in overwatch. I think Tracer should've died
For the Scout one, remember in Expiration Date he shot a tentacle off of the bread monster while practically firing before he even faced that angle! With that kind of accuracy and reaction time, he could very easily tie with Tracer's reaction speed. That and the fact that Hamaji Neo did a video confirming Scout has the faster speed on foot, he would've easily blitzed Tracer in that fight.
Heck, that fight realistically would've ended at the Taunt Kill.
but... tracer can control her own time, even with a tied reaction speed and a faster running speed, i don't think that means shit
@@bynosaurus4024 Tied reaction speed + superior running speed alone is enough to disprove the way the fight ended. Tracer would've never been able to latch her bomb onto him.
Thats the thing, the TF2 mercs are often called rejects, not for lack of skill but lack of intelligence. They're all really good at their job of killing people. Scout is a moron with an ego that clouds his judgement more often than not, but he's still a skilled mercenary and marksman
@@antonymilne1346 Well that’s a bit inconsistent because Medic still acquired a medical license implying a number of years at a school, Heavy also has a degree in Russian Literature, and Engineer you know, just look at the stuff he builds. Not exactly an idiot
@@kaijuslayer3334 well there's that, but they're also all genuinely insane, which kinda outweighs any conventional smarts. Engie hacked off his own arm because he saw blueprints for a robot arm. Heavy genuinely loves mowing down people en masse with his mini gun which is not something sane people do. Medic.... I don't need to explain medic. Some of them are better at hiding it than the others but they're all definetely crazy.
Death Battle transitive property:
Mario can survive the black hole formed at the end of Super Mario Galaxy
But he still dies when touching a Koopa
The Koopa must be Galaxy Destroyer Level
Man people really started Thanos beat boxing over my comment
I mean... they're not _wrong_
Well not necessarily, cuz technically a Koopa has never killed Mario, that can only happen during gameplay if you suck at platformers, meanwhile the whole black hole thing was a cutscene, though to be fair I'm pretty sure it can be presumed that Mario only survived because of Rosalina and her f****** god powers
It’s a game
I mean, on some level, we have to take game logic out of this.
We can say the exact same thing about Sonic too. He can get slammed around by giant robots and still keep fighting, even without rings outside of the game logic. But if a Motobug touches him, he flipping dies due to game logic. But that doesn't make sense looking at what he's been able to do.
So, again, we have to take that out of the equation because it's not a fair assessment.
Some comic writer 60 years ago: draws one panel where a random dog dodges a laser
DB: as you can see here, this dog scales to FTL and that's why he killed spiderman
Did they really show toph and gaara fighting in a desert when there was an episode in TLA where Toph couldn't see anything because she can't sense properly when the ground isn't solid?
tbf, they probly decide the winner, tell the animator who the winner is and what powers to show off, then move on with their day. many examples of this can be shown with abilites just not being used despite being talked about or abilities NOT talked about showing themselves.
virgil vs sephiroth is one key example. they talk about how virgil has the power to cut dimensions and break mental links..... but he loses to a pocket dimension created by sephiroth.
She can sense it, she just can't make out shapes, or able to pinpoint objects specifically. Kind of like having a flawed depth-perception. You can see the thing, you're just not sure how far away it is or it's actual size. She later, in season 3 when they were in the fire nation having that beach party, showed that she had mastered intricate sand bending by creating a replica of ba sing sa in the sand with a single move. Then in Legend of Korra she had no trouble smacking the avatar around with mud.
@@megasora4 Virgil cut his way out, he just got damaged first.
They combined kid toph with old toph
@@RooftopRose079 because she’s the best character
My biggest grudge against death battle is Mob vs Tatsumaki, bc they claim Mob would explode from absorbing her psyc powers but in the very example used to say he has a limit on the absorption is the scene where he channels the excess power into the broccoli..... like.... what if there was a potato on his pocket? There is so much that he could do he wouldn't just explode
One episode you actually missed is the Android 18 video.
They usually talk about how they are referencing one canon and not the other.
However, in the Android 18 Death Battle they HEAVILY emphasized a move that Android 18 used in Dragon Ball Xenoverse and acted like that was a serious feat.
Which definitely goes against their own logic.
Technically you’re right but I’m to tired to figure out if xenoverse is actually cannon to the main show or if it’s in a different timeline
@@levievil9220 it's different timeline and movies and games with different story or non canon still count if we list overall character. Broly would have been counted as strongest saiyaan in dbz even if he wasn't canon
@@thegameking3931 which broly like cool but there’s two broly Z and super and technically kale is a broly but of universe 6
In Deadpool vs Mask, they showed the alternate ending for Rouge vs Wonder Woman where Wonder Woman touches Rouge’s face and goes right through it.
In the commentary, they said that was just a shout out to all the guys that are "I like your show but this fight was bs" to their more infamous episodes,
also in Q&A's they never change their decisions of fights and won't just change an entire episode cause of complaints
I like how they ignored that Rouge doesn't wear the bracers of restraint like Wonder Woman does. Which means when Rogue absorbs from her, she actually would have access to Wonder Woman's Full power.
If WW used her sword....yeah...
@@evanbelton1297 Wonder Woman would just blitz Rouge before she could remove her restraints and rival her in power.
@@Mychannel-sp6lt I mean, you say that. However, the thing most people ignore is the characters themselves. Specifically their personalities. Wonder Woman is if anything else, an honorable warrior, as evident by her entire run. Rogue is an unarmed combatant who is also a woman. Wonder Woman would have now knowledge of her. She would either offer her a weapon, or fight her bare handed if Rogue would rather.
Also, I don't think you understand what I meant. Rogue would be absorbing Wonder Woman's full untapped power. Rogue does not wear the bracers wonder woman wears. She would not be limited. Meaning unless Wonder Woman realizes this quickly, and removes her own bracer to counter. Which wouldn't matter much at that point. Rogue also absorbs the physicality of those she touches, and muscle memory is a thing. That, and many factors means Rogue could go toe to toe with Wonder Woman except for two things.
1: Rogue would be absorbing through out the fight, even if just by punching Wonder Woman in the face. Keep in mind, Wonder Woman's Standard outfit facilitates Rogue.
And 2: Currently, Rogue has the ability to instantly kill those who she touches, because she wants to.
I'm not saying Wonder Woman Can't win, I'm just saying this is how Rogue wins. In addition to what Wiz ~ Boom said.
Take care now, bye bye then. Lew-Who, Za-Her!
"They say 18 is *possibly* planet level"
I mean, literally everyone in DBZ is planet after even the Saiyan saga. 18 is multi-planet or solar system level, at a minimum.
Honestly, the best way to view DBZ is like an ancient story of a warrior ascending to fight Gods and it suddenly makes way more sense as to why this shit gets so ridiculous.
17 and 18 have no limits. But since they're not saiyans, they have to be weaker
@@ladychrya9379 That's the fun thing. They're both at minimum planet level, and have an endless supply of energy to just keep chucking that kind of power.
Dont forget that according to this video, they stated that Android 18 is 0.02 times the speed of light...
It should be noted that Vegeta could have won against 18 in their fight if he actually used his head. 18 was actually weaker than Vegeta but won by stalling him out.
But ya, the idea that 18 isn’t planet-level is retarded at best.
There's a whole lot of breakdowns on the Yang vs Tifa fight such as them scaling Yang's durability on the vertical resistance force of highway pillars and not their horizontal, which is what she got launched through as, and will b significantly smaller. Also, Yang's Semblance doesn't prevent damage. Also, Tifa's Limit breaks DO have multipliers that scale from her total attack power and you can find them listed just as easily as you can find SSJ multipliers. (The end result being hitting Yang thousands of times harder). Also, just using her Dissidia materia is laughably dumb and implies Tifa would go in to battle with less than a full set of materia. There's some other things too but this already puts the fight way in her favor.
Damn right!
So fun fact about yang v tifa: at the point it was made semblances actually didn’t have a limit, which was why it wasn’t mentioned. The whole semblances are drawn from aura thing was first stated non diagetically in some sort of QnA (forget the exact details) and was then confirmed implicitly in volume 3 (emerald using her semblance was reflected by a drop in aura on monitor) and explicitly in v4 (Sun burns out his aura by overusing semblance)
My conspiracy has always been that they release Yang v Tifa when they did specifically to take advantage of that fact, because they announced that rule like literally ~3 months or something after the episode dropped for DB
Another problem with the Batman Beyond vs Spider-man 2099 is that they say something about the newer suits that they both have, but have the entire fight with their original suits
Dude yeah they love to do that shit, like in naruto vs ichigo, when ichigo just fights in his 1st soul reaper form which isn't his true form and then goes to his weaker mugetsu form because????
My favorite instance of that is during the first Goku vs Superman fight when they say they won’t be using GT Goku but then he transforms into Super Saiyan 4.
@@somethingfunny2199 They did the same thing with Ben 10, they had 10 Year Old Ben turn into Alien X, even though he couldn't turn into Alien X until Alien Force.
Ever heard of limitations on sprite models
@@patrickadetola4153 well no because I don't know animation, but my point is it's a big misrepresentation of the character and makes no sense even from their own logic where they showed his true bankai. Sure it might cost more to animate or can't really be done, but if that's the case then please don't do it because it's a heavy misrepresentation of the character and is really frustrating.
I remember in the Mega Man vs Astro Boy Death Battle, they had left out the very important detail that when Astro Boy lifted the gigantic satellite, he did it with the help of an entire army of robots.
Also Megaman could survive ice at absolute 0 in Megaman 8
@@antoinepolnareff8970 And didn't Mega Man defeated a planet busting doomsday robot Sunstar in MMV?
@@KyuJuEX099 I think so, he could stain againts the atraction of a little black hole for 3 seconds
@@antoinepolnareff8970 If we assume Blackhole Bomb from Galaxy Man actually creates a localized black hole, Mega Man can both outrun its pull and survive a hit from it.
@@DeusExProcella Multiple hits and we can assume he grew stronger from it because his own Black Hole bombs don’t affect him after he fights Galaxy Man. Then there’s the fact that he can also outrun Force Beams, which we can equate to beams of light while they’re coming directly at him. So he has potentially FTL feats if we take into account all the times he’s shown the capacity to avoid light based attacks. So even if he’s not ftl he can still react to and defeat opponents who are at that level... Don’t get me started on the speed stats for Goku Vs. Superman.
The Ben 10 vs Green Lantern one was weird for me. Since Lantern beats him by…cutting off his arm? When it’s previously stated the Omnitrix can detect threats and defend itself from threats? Wouldn’t it see the scissors coming and blast em?
Vergil vs Sephiroth: Vergil’s Yammato could open portals for him to hop in. Yet he did not use it to escape the Supernova attack.
Also: "Doomsday has regularly fought and defeated light-speed opponents, while that kind of speed is an extreme rarity in the Marvel Universe"
if you've seen the crazy feats many Marvel characters do in *other Death Battles,* you'd think Aunt May was the only one from that universe who's never been confirmed to go lightspeed
She was when she became a Harold of Galactus.
To be fair, outside of sometimes matching Sentry and Thor, Hulk is slower than a lot of those characters (at least before immortal hulk and excluding occasional power changes).
LOL! True. I just saw a DB where Thor somehow is able to travel 200,000 times the speed of light. This show is total ass clown shoes and no one should take it seriously.
@@TheDocbach yet most of people took it seriously just like you. Just turn off your brain and enjoy sounds better
Because Thor has move that fast
The Yang vs Tifa was PURE promotional material for RWBY. They tried to say that because she was smashed up into the atmosphere and crashed down without any harm then she can tank a lot of damage. Completely over looking the fact that that all happened purely for comedic effect in the series. Thus it shouldn't be taken seriously. Especially nowadays when she gets punched once or twice and her aura shatters.
yeah later in season 3 yang just got defeated by a one swing of a sword after that yang was confine tromatize in season 4
@@zegtendo724 I think when Yang uses her semblance her aura is shattered from one hit. So that's probably the reason why her arm got cut off when the sword was swinged at her. I say this because her aura has been broken so many times when she gets hit while using her semblance.
Let's not forget they said Mario was strong enough to lift and kick away a castle he was just in because of the gag cutscene after you beat the boss (A cutscene with a castle smaller than Mario)
I remember seeing the Yang vs Tifa DB and thinking there's no way Yang could win that.
AND IT WORKED ! I WATCHED RWBY BECAUSE OF THAT EPISODE . Dropped it after season 5 but it still worked
It wasn't mentioned, but Ryu vs Jin was an annoying case as well. Not a very blatant issue, but DB mentions both the Satsui No Hado AND the Mu No Ken; These powers are explicitly exclusive from one another. The only way you master Mu No Ken is to rid yourself of the Satsui No Hado, and vice versa. It would not be possible to allow for both at the same time, so adding both for consideration is just incorrect.
The hardest episode to watch for me had to be the Tifa vs Yang fight. I mean I have done my research on each of the fighter and which part of their shows or games they came from and Tifa should have had a clean sweep
me and friend talked about this fight before it was upload. We where both like so Tifa just stomps right?
Yang winning was just so much bullshit XD we stopped watching after we realized roaster teeth has ties with DB.
You forgot Ben 10 vs Green Lantern. As Kuro pointed out, they directly contradicted themselves saying Ben could hold back the Big Bang, and later said he could not stop the universe being destroyed despite both times it was coming from THE SAME DEVICE.
I was looking for this one!
@@RubberToast my pleasure
But hey Alien X
Do you honestly expect them to do proper research on a cartoon character they clearly didn't grow up with nor care for?
Wrong, Ben did hold back the big bang as feedback. Ben however couldn't stop the anialarg from destroying the universe, ben asked his personalities if Alien X can stop it, and they reply with *"it's too late for that"* as a result alien x failed to save that universe, so he just had to recreate a replica with some mistakes in it
The worst death battles had to be the Tracer vs Scout and Yang vs Tifa.
They base tracer's stats based of the cinematic shorts and say the in game stats don't count, whilst for scout they say the cinematic shorts don't count for stats because he dies in game to three rockets, (which actually isn't true, scout can survive two direct rocket hits and a splash rocket from maximum damage fall off).
Yang vs Tifa was literally just favouritism, they say Tifa is stronger and yang has less durability but she just manages to take every hit and becomes more powerful because??
I say majin buu vs kirby was the worst in my opinion
@@ZH1413 fair but there are videos that talk about kirby's power but not sure if it can rival buu
mine is the ben vs green lantern which they nerf alien x an alien that can rewrite reality
I remember them saying “Yang wins because she can withstand going through 6 cement pillars.”
My first thought was “okay, but Tifa survived sephiroth’s super novas, so literally, Yang’s feat doesn’t matter.
@@totallynotthebio-lizard7631 Personally I feel there are a lot of flaws in the argument of that (though I agree that that fight was unhealthily bias), mainly because going off lore and the Super Nova's cut scene, the resulting explosion of the Super Nova hitting all three party members can't not destroy... everything, and the fact that everything around the party survives, that means that everything around the party can not only not be destroyed by the SN, but not take really any damage at all.
And we know that it's not a matter of the explosion only hitting the three party members and nothing else because the distribution of force to hit all three would need to also hit the area around them.
So that leaves us with two conclusions, either the SN that was used in the battle was not the true SN that the game lore describes, at which point any one being able to survive it isn't as impressive as described by the lore, or the lore is wrong, and SN can't destroy the universe because he should only need to cast it once and game over for the entire party, which isn't a good fight from a design stand point.
For a better example of why the SN logic isn't great to go by, look into the attacks from Disgaea, specifically, 5. Half of the big attacks you get from weapon mastery involve blowing up a planet but you can then turn around and reincarnate a character with them back to level 1, and those animations still play, but they can't kill a basic character that you could one shot when you were level 9,999. And this is noting that the final learned skill for fist weapons (secret skill not withstanding) is you condense all of existence save for yourself, and your targets into your hand and punch with enough force to then cause (as the skill is named) a new Big Bang.
Basically if the attacks carried the weight that they're suppose to, the fights would be pretty meaningless.
I just found your channel and I love your content. I enjoy Death Battle, even though I know it's pretty biased but the fights are generally well made/entertaining. Dracula vs Ganondorf has to be my favorite of them all.
That being said, I really wish Death Battle (or another Company/RUclipsr) would do something like: 'let's pick these two fighters and A) See how many enemies they could beat in (x) time, or B) (and the more interesting one) Can these two combatants beat this one combatant who either uses their weakness, or would regularly stomp one them if they tried to solo.
I think a Goku and Superman fight -Insert Magic User Here- would be fun because A) Superman is weak to Magic, and B) Magic tends to be super broken in the DB Universe.
Dude, imagine a Superman vs Majin Buu, or even a Superman vs Beerus
I believe the biggest offender of this is Ben Ten vs Green Lantern. They wrote off alot of Alien X's actual strength and made him seem weaker than he actually is. Alien X tanked a universe ending bomb to the face then proceeded to remake his entire universe after. And not only that Alien X could blink and make green lantern dissapear. They only said green lantern won because he went back in time ONCE in the comics. Green lantern never even beat Ben all he did was go back and time and cut off his arm. A feat that couldnt happen either since the Omnitrix has SEVERAL fail safes for situations like these. Like there is a whole ass episode where Ben has his hand with the omitrix cut off and he is fine. So as much as i love both combatants, Green Lantern should have lost as soon as alien X showed up
The scaling for Star Wars is beyond bizarre to me. Obi Wan scales to a black hole and has nanosecond reaction time, but Yoda loses to Mickey because Grogu passed out once.
Obi doesnt scale though....no one...except fricken Darth Nilhus maybe
They are hugely inconsistent with how they view the Force in the battles. In Vader's and Yoda's it's nerfed ... for some reason. But in Luke's and Obi-wan's it is buffed.
@@darththeo Imo Luke was also nerfed down severely to make it look like he was even with Harry. But Vader being nerfed down is oil on the fire, because Doom was so obviously going to win anyway. There was no reason to put Vader down so far.
I aint gonna lie yoda was nefed...but he aint winning against mickey they didn't really include any of mickeys major feats nor powers. yoda was down played but so was mickey. still the fight should have not been as one sided as it was.
Given this is freaking Kingdom Hearts, where Multiversal level keyblade wielders beat beings with Multiversal destruction levels with massive hax and magic, nobody in Star Wars can beat any of the wielders.
And no, Keyblade and their wielders can simply says No to the Physics of whatever universe they are in, so they can beat even the most experienced Force User despite the Home Dimension Advantage they have.
The Gaara vs Toph one still leaves in awe by the sheer bullshittery of it. Saying an Avatar character can beat a Naruto character is the same as saying a Naruto character can beat a DBZ one. The power scale is just on another level.
@Noah zzstu Smith yeah it just depends on who it is. I have know doubt in my mind that a few avatars can straight up obliterate a good chunk of the naruto roster. Just like someone like rock lee can obliterate a good chunk of the atla roster.
@Noah zzstu Smith The issue with the Toph vs Gaara thing is that they made up feats for Toph to win. Since when did Toph display combat ability on that level of speed or control? The girl usually tosses a couple of rocks at a time. How can she blitz Gaara who has better control and creativity with sand? Then they completely neglected Gaara's fight IQ.
This is the only fight i think is wrong. Gaara is shown to use chakra and stamina with his attacks. But they made it seem like Toph just had to wait him out until he grew tired. Bending takes stamina to perform. Toph's biggest bending feats are comparable to bumi, who strained to bend large objects and was tired afterwards. To match gaara, toph should be at least as exhausted as gaara, if not more. Gaara's simplest (but still fatal) attacks take little chakra and are more than fatal enough to overpower an exhausted toph. Plus toph taking control of gaara's gold dust would take effort and time. No bender has ever been shown taking over someone else's bending material without effort; deflect yes, but not takeover.
The biggest problem with the Gaara vs Toph fight is the fact that they made bending take priority over chakra. Both Gaara and Toph can manipulate sand, Toph with bending and Gaara with chakra but they never explain why Toph's bending should ever take precedence over Gaara's chakra. Like what's the logic behind Toph's bending overpowering chakra? These are two different forces of nature. It makes no sense, it should work more like a tug of war. Both sides trying to manipulate it but neither being able to go all the way, in which case it would result in a purely physical fight which Gaara as a ninja should be able to easily win.
@@GrandInfernoElite garaa isn't actually using the gold dust tho. He is just having his sand work with it mixed in. Also we haven't seen an fight were one or the other lost. As they couldn't continue without one of them dying in the comics. Cuz that was the scope of their bending.
So here's a fight that's been bothering me: DIO VS Alucard
At the end of the video, they state how Alucard would have no way to kill DIO without Ether sunlight or Harmon. What they failed to mention was that there was one other way to kill him. And it was kinda the main plot point in part 3.
ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS DESTROY HIS HEAD.
It makes me so mad they left this detail out. Because there are not one, but TWO different cases were this seems to work.
(Soiler warning)
The first case is when Jotaro caves DIO's scull in after playing dead. You can see how weak DIO's body gets. And he probably wouldn't have regenerated if he hadn't sucked Joseph's blood.
The second case is the ending of the fight itself. Jotaro hits DIO in his weak leg which causes several of his body parts to explode. Well one of those parts were head. And after the head explodes, DIO dose not get back up. Therfore PROVING that all Alucard needed to do was destroy the head.
Also, I don't like how they gave DIO his ice powers form part 1. Sure, he has some of his vampiric abilities. But in no way did we ever see him freeze someone in ice during part 3. Granted, he might not have had the need too. But I can see some instances where they could have been used.
I know there are going to be people who may not agree with me. And I might have left some things out. But nobody's perfect
They scaled his durability to star platinum for some reason, so that wasn’t an option, they mean’t alucard was too weak to destroy dio’s head
Breaking DIO's head is a strategy but then what? Your second instance is the instance of the STAND being destroyed and by proxy his body, he COULD get up from that too because the doctors after they recovered Joseph and DIO they then saw cellular activity going on meaning he was regenerating.
My second problem with that is that even if he couldn't get up from that (which is false for all the reasons above) you stated in both instances that was JOTARO and guess what? They both have stands that can go at the speed of LIGHT (as proven by Silver Chariot cutting light and Star Platinum holding a punch barrage battle against it). Alucards highest speed feat (and this is the VERY highest someone wanked it so it is very likely to not be true) was Mach 1501. The speed of light is Mach 874,030 so Alucard couldn't even touch DIO without The World putting a hole through his chest and kicking him into a nearby building.
Also I understand your point on DIO's ice powers but he was able to use them again after drinking Joseph's blood. But if you view DIO's personality, you'd know that he has always has been cocky about how his stand is the ultimate stand and how much he just loves to use it instead of his vampiric abilities so in context of DB rules, he can for certain use it.
(P.S he regenerated from the head injury semi well to the point of being able to make attempted precise movements with his knife)
@@abdirashidabukur Silver Chariot cut a beam of light because Polnareff predicted its trajectory ahead of time, not because he reacted to it flying
If I place a sword in front of a gun's barrel and end up blocking the bullet this doesn't make me faster than it, I just saw where it was going to hit before it fired
Well the thing about powers and abilities is that just because a character has them doesn't mean their going to be used other than in specific circumstances. You never see Star Finger or Sar S U C C again because those were only really good for those particular instances in which they were used.
With Dio, he can STOP TIME. He probably doesn't feel the need to use ANY of his vampire abilities, and just because he doesn't use them does NOT mean he doesn't have them.
@@creativename1673Except Chariot had to be fast enough to not just swing the sword, also move there, which it did so fast the LIGHT SPEED beam looked like it was in slow motion(in anime), it's not comparable to "huuh durrr it's just like placing your sword in front of the barrel of a gun"
I get a strong feeling that DB starts from their conclusion about which character they want to win, and then work backwards to fill in the blanks with shoddy metrics and goofy logic to ensure that this character wins. You can use their own measures against them in a million different ways, and all of this would be fine if it were just for fun, but the way that they put on this veneer of objectivity and scientific inquiry never fails to irritate me.
One they got wrong that really pisses me off is then Ben 10 vs Green Lantern one. They literally say the omnitrix can react fast enough to protect bens arm, but then they let it get cut off in the fight.
oh that annoys me to no end. They said the omnitrix will react fast enough to stop the big bang from blowing up in his face but green lantern can just cut it off which is one of the reasons they said he would win.
@Rocky Croods You do realize im not talknig power. Its reaction time. Power lv does not equal reaction.
@Rocky Croods but they never said how he would get around the omnitrix defense. They just said he would which is poor reasoning. They're doing comparative things way too often now for their reasoning and it is a crutch. Beating one assassin doesn't mean you can beat every assassin in an assassin's guild but DB would dub it so.
Also he shouldn't have been able to break free of Alien X while halfway disintegrated
They said the omnitrix doesn't protect him from limb removal not destruction of the omnitrix itself
The two biggest issues with death battle's analysis that they constantly make is:
1. Treating every feat as a max feat when scaling (e.g. Character X survived hits from character Y who once destroyed planets, therefore he can take hits from planet busting attacks even though they've are typically damaged by far weaker hits before)
2. Equating travel speed to reaction to reaction / combat speed (Character X across the galaxy in 10 seconds, therefore he can move 10,000,000 times the speed of light when they have been hit by far slower characters and have never shown even close to reacting that fast in combat)
This is just vs debating in a nutshell lol.
Yeah pretty much. By DB logic, anyone shooting a gun would also be able to dodge bullets since they have bullet speed level attack speed
I’m so glad you put the Gaara Vs Toph one I literally tried to explain this like a psycho to my friends…I love Toph but this was in no way her fight.
I like Death Battle, but there's a couple things they do allll the time that really bugs me. Namely, they constantly conflate max movement speed to max fight speed, and if multiple characters had contributed in some incredible feat of strength, they just divide out the required strength equally among all people involved. Like, no, if you can fly from one end of the universe to the other in an hour, that does not mean you can put the size of the universe in mph and say they can fight at that speed lol
Kakashi vs Obi wan Kenobi, Kenobis my all time favorite Jedi and it pissed me off they gave him feats that he didn’t even do, being very inaccurate on certain feats, and saying the force is limitless and doesn’t require energy or it’s taxing. To quote Han Solo “that’s not how the force works!”
I hate what they did to my boy kakashi
I absolutely agree, and this is from a Kenobi fan.
Jedi have been seen getting tired from exerting themselves too much, despite the force being everywhere.
The Force itselfe is probably limitless, but he obviously cant channel all of it just cause he wants.
Also Kakashi can move faster then the Eye, and usually fights whit Proxies like a Thunder Bunshin.
So stupid Battle.
Problem is Kakashi biggest buff the Obito's Susanoo is something he doesn't have regularly, and there's no way for Kakashi to stop Obi-Wan using the Force on him.
@@li-limandragon9287 Kawarimi no Justs is OP, and he sould be able to move faster then the Hunan Eye.
And even if the Outcome is Obi Wan, he doesnt win by having infinite Power.
The reason why Yang won against Tifa was to advertise RWBY. At least that is what I think because it worked on me lol.
Yeah it's kind of widely agreed that it was done to advertise RWBY.
Yep rooster teeth owns screw attack and said hey we need more fans make our character win
Saaaaame. Then they decided to punish us for falling to such a shitty ad tactic by making the show worse every season after we started watching it.
@@chukyuniqul
Ehhhh... 6 - 8 have been pretty good if you ask me..
Volume 4 - 5 just had pacing issues and meh fightscenes tbh
@@indg0205 6 was the passing grade I needed to keep watching the show after 5(with bronzewick farms being, bar none, imo the best arc in rwby and actually generally good), 7 actually dared to have quality. But it seems in v8 m&k got salty because viewers were not exclusively anti-authoritarian brainlets like them so they decided to strip all nuance from the conflict. We need people to know that leading people bad, quality be damned! The only part in v8 I enjoyed was the fact salem got tricked twice. She is actually a human being whose hubris fucks her over! They set it up in 7, foreshadowed it with hazel's betrayal and paid it off with cinder! Huzzah! The time wasted making cinder sympathetic to then double down on her being a horrible being annoyed me, especially with how cliche it was. And then you realize that james' semblance is never mentioned in-show, and he is made a caricature and a punching bag despite being a truly valorous man with some flaws. They had to practically replace him to make an antagonist for v8.
I have many feelings on v8, few of them good. And most of them aren't about blunders made from lack of skill, but about the haughty airs that come despite the writing mistakes made. I was saddened by v5, since it was a genuine attempt at grander writing that fell flat because of multiple reasons, some the fault of the writers and directors and some not. V8 is just this "consume this and don't think" character assassination caused by us "not getting" the point of james. So they made him mentally ill and villainous because nobody's gonna care about a cis white man. But obviously they did except for the worst kinds of people because he is still a mentally ill person and RT should be hard at work to dog themselves out of this hole. Maybe have jacques and james have survived somehow and now they have to travel the world as vagabonds to reach the main characters and they can redeem themselves? Idk, but the show is stupid and the sooner it goes all-out the better.
Yang Vs Tifa:
Yang saw an enemy bird flying over head and had NO idea how to get to it.
... TIFA JUMPS OFF A FREAKING BUILDING TO CATCH CLOUD AND LAUNCH HIMSELF INTO THE AIR!
Yang cannot keep up with Tifa...on any level. If you take into consideration how fast Cloud was moving that he needed 7 boosts to make it into the atmosphere ( his jump, Tifa, Yuffie, Barret, Cid Vincent, Nanaki) and if Tifa supplied 1/7 of the physical strength to throw someone into the atmosphere... No strength feat Yang has compares to that.
Dont forget the time they gave SS3 goku the same multiplier as SS1, on screen.
I think the bad part about DB nowadays are the high amount of comparitive feats. It clusters characters too closer together without determining their real skills.
I can see your point though I would argue skill level isn’t always a factor in vs debates. Like if one character hits with 100000 tons of force and another has more skill but only hits with 100 tons, the wider skill gap ain’t gonna help them.
@@JIreland1992 yeah, but the two kinda go together really, like to say Gaara loses to Toph you have to scale them both completely wrong in every stat and then also ignore every skill that each character has.
@@dweebpatrol well I don’t agree with that fight so I can’t say anything about it. I will say that I do think skill does play into who wins but it does depend on how far apart the power gap is. Look at Lex Luthor vs DR Doom for example. Lex was physically more powerful but it wasn’t enough to overcome Dooms magic. Then look at Deadpool vs Mask, Deadpool was more skilled but the Mask was an unkillable cartoon god. It’s all dependent on the match up.
@@JIreland1992 yeah, I agree with you, I’m just saying that they’re absolutely horrendous at determining both power and skill
They are basicallt using dbz style power scaling of A>B>C, to justify compiling feats of multiple characters into one. Looks like Seth has corrupted them lol, I still remember Seth scaling All-Might to a black hole because a weaker superhero had black hole powers despite the fact that that superhero is not even a fighter.
This is why I prefer tier style scaling, escentially you can put Thor, Hulk, Flash and Superman in the same tier without adding their feats to one another. This allows power scaling to be more specific, like Superman can beat flash and beat flash villains but this doesn't make him faster than Flash rather specific stats that Superman has like his versatility gave him the win. This makes it better than DBZ's powerscalers braindead method of A beats B who beats C, so A>B>C. Modern DB would deadass put Superman>Flash in everything including speed.
"They just say that it could obliterate him, but He-Man wins because..."
*"HE-MAN!!!"*
Lol this is just like saying Batman wins cuz he's Batman
@@renegadeemperor That didn't work with spider-man :)
@@evanbelton1297that was death they get everything 😂 wrong 😀
I think their point was it _could_, not that it _would_.
@@renegadeemperor realistically, Spider-man wins. Besides some very, very uncommon instances for both of them, Spider-man is typically shown to be faster, with lightspeed reflexes, and stronger, being able to support an entire jumbo jet on his back. Yes, we could take the time batman dodged darksied's lasers, and we could take the time in the mcu that Spider-man supported roughly 3600 tons, but given what we regularly see, Spider-man wins
Akuma vs Shao Khan was a big offender. They took canonically dubious data into account for Khan but wouldn't do the same for Akuma/Oni's feats in Asura's Wrath, in which he's a moon destroyer.
A power feat I'd give toph is holding wan shi tongs giant library from sinking into the spirit world for while. Also her ability to manipulate sand would be a huge surprise.Garra's completely used to fully controlling his sand and would have a hard time dealing with that. Though I do believe garra would win due to his durability
Yeah some of these fights might actually be closer than fans of one or the other, who may be working off of incomplete information, might realize. However, the death battle people have this exact issue despite it being their job XD
They explained how gaara could send sand into peoples bodies and control them however never explained how toph counters that. Toph doesn’t control things with her mind she uses certain movements.
@@The_endlessV1in tlok it is shown that you only need to move something likes eyes if that as a blood bender so I think earth bending would take a similar amount of movement at minimum also earth benders can still bend will completely in cased in rock or metal
even if say you have to move your eyes the point is she cant do things with her mind, gaara doesnt need this as his sand moves based on his mind all he has to do is think of doing something and the sand will do as its told which is better than eye movements. even then gaara sand can also move without his command, it will protect him at all costs even if his asleep. gaara can also change the density of his sand or amplify it with other materials for example he was able to amplify his sand with gold and have complete control over its properties @@calebkaminski6951
There's one more. The Scorpion vs Ryu fight, where they show Ryu killing Scorpion, but Scorpion wins anyway because they don't know the difference between an undead and a ghost. It's not much of due to their own logic, but it was just a mistake. They literally thought Scorpion was immortal but he was actually canonically killed by being cut in half by Subzero during Armaggedon.
As a Mortal Kombat fan, I hated how they brought up Scorpion's power rising while in Hell despite the fact that HOW MUCH his power rises is unspecified and likely not significant. If it was, why the fuck would he still get his ass whooped by Sonya (who is not stronger than Ryu) in MKX while in the Netherrealm Fortress?
I thought it was mostly due to the fact he cant die specifically in the nether realm wasn't it? cuz where's he gunna go, hell 2?
@@mattross1162 I mean... There IS a Hell 2 in the MK universe (More like a deeper layer but I'm not entirely sure), but people can still die in the netherrealm. I don't know what happens to their bodies, so I'll need to doublecheck later... Because, if it worked like that, wouldn't *everyone* be "immortal" in there? 🤔
@@mattross1162 I mean Scorpion came back after having his soul destroyed.
Speaking as if any of that was ever consistent in Mortal Kombat
The issue I also have with DB is that they mix stuff from other continuities and treat it as canon. Like most of the Zelda vs Peach fight has been taken from non-canon source material.
And even with their own fucking logic it doesn't make sense cause Zelda is just magic bullshit and can teleport.
That fucking Soccer kick was one of their dumbest examples of feats.
Yeah but there is no stated canon in Mario said by the guys at Nintendo so fuck it
@@Bleeperblopper497 Yes and no. For example the platforming games, kart games and certain sport games are canon (due to stuff like Todette and certain references). But the rpgs are its own canon and Smash bros isn't canon.
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Ben Ten vs Green Lantern is the one I was honestly hoping to see on this list
i always roll eyes when they start throwing numbers, willingly ignoring the fact that the universe itself is severely nerfed in those fictions. everything in space is much closer.
The DC universe is actually larger than the one in real life, iirc.
@@thepsychobear2362 i heard about that in a video.
i don't read comics, i only watched the dcau.
i don't know about marveldc but dragon ball's is pretty nerfed. and it gotten worse when super retconed the amount of galaxies in the universe. i didn't like that because it was more frustrating. so many civilizations you will never know about.
salagir the author of dragonball multiverse did a good explanation on a previous website. it's in english.
www.dragon-ball-z.eu/these/Delires-Cosmiques.en.php
why i hate when they take the moon blowing attacks seriously with their ridiculous 10.000.000 lightspeed calculations.
The real life Universe is absolutely OP, but the problem is we don't know enough about it.
Like for whatever we may know, our Universe could have infinite parallel universes to go alongside with it, and has gone through an I nk ite amount of eras of Big Bounce and apparently a fairly new study suggests that is the reason why we even have some stupidly super massive black holes.
Reality is always more insane and cliche than fiction will ever be, because we actually do not know that much about it.
What?
That’s just vs debating, not something you should criticize DB specifically…
I completely forgot they had Yang beat Tifa. That’s honestly more egregious than Link beating Cloud.
Remember, they did put a weird amalgamation of the different links up against cloud, it's not like he was up against any official link. Of course link with all the best equipment he had throughout his different incarnations at that point was gonna win. The versatility of his arsenal was something cloud couldn't match.
@@breakfaith3031 unless Cloud had summons like KoTR, that summon is broken af
@@krisgeno8049 They don't give any equipment to the FF characters outside of what they start with specifically or what they can do in other appearances (like Dissidia). Giving them their ultimate weapons was them being "generous." They claim all the equipment is player chosen and not something they have to get or us. While someone like Link gets all that equipment (albeit not every link has the same stuff)
Yang beat Tifa because RoosterTeeth owns Death Battle. It’s blatant favoritism
Depending non the link he can definitely beat cloud.
Thanks for addressing the three episodes that drove me away. Chun-Li's, Cloud's, and Tifa's.
I’m gonna agree with you on about 50% of the matchups and hit you with a like my man
"ShUt Up ThIs Is OuR ShOw AnD We Do WhAtEvEr ThE FuCk We WaNt WiTh It"
-boomstick(season 1)
Boomstick just admitted the show is bs
Did he really say that? Lmao 😂
@@DevVy-WeVvy sadly yes, he said that during the link vs cloud death battle nearly at the end of the video
The context to this quote is important, it's not about the victor it's about them not including the summons/fairies, which counted as outside help
Also this was season 1, I'm not defending their answers, not even the ones during season 1, but that quote is taken completely out of context, and the rules have changed since season 1, severely, actually
Also it was said at the beginning of Link vs Cloud, and also the quote is "Shut up this is our show and this is the way we do it."
Once again, several of their results are complete bullshit, but no point in taking a quote out of context when you could just point out a wrong DB like everyone else
@@_antisocialmedia6377 then tracer vs scout, done.
I still remember Starscream vs Rainbow Dash, where they have her survive a shot from a gun that has been seen to destroy cliffs. Also Starscream has survived shots from Megatron's fusion cannon, which can tap into a black hole. Somehow.
That battle pissed me off! I love Starscream!
Gotta appeal to the big show at the time
That death battle was just terrible
Wait, has Starscream used the Null Ray on actual organic beings in Transformers?
@@ezrawyvern6795 I don't remember him doing so, no, but considering he fires his null ray from his arm blasters, and those same arm blasters have been seen doing physical damage, it is safe to assume that disabling mechanical devices is more of a setting than a sole function. Or the blast has serious physical impact as well as there are lots of times he has shot and missied, and still caused landscape damage
Hey bro mlp high end scale is pretty op
Thanks I was watching the episodes and was upset when obvious winners lost too
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Okay for the Serpentara feat they were comparing it with a stronger in every way Megazord, and stated that the blast to take out the stronger Megazord used less than haft of Serpentara’s full plant busting power.
Tifa: Scales to Sephiroth, who is solar system-level and beats Vergil.
Death Battle: "She's a glass cannon."
(No, I'm not saying Tifa is equal to Sephiroth. But she is at least strong enough to hurt him, fast enough to tag him, and durable enough to endure attacks from him, which is far more impressive than anything Yang has done.)
Even if we don’t count supernova since it is a bit pathetic damage wise, we know she is at least capable of keeping up with a planet buster with help. On her own even held her own and survived against one of his clones. While weaker than Sephiroth, still an incredibly dangerous opponent.
Fair... but even then, Yang’s semblance allows her to absorb all that damage and double it, making her twice as strong as Tifa, and she’s been building up those hits from the start.
@@sirensong237 But her aura and semblance can still get overtaxed and crack with enough pressure, and anything Tifa throws out is more than enough to break Yang.
Still don't know why people think summoning a meteor to blow up the sun makes Sephiroth solar system level. Me dropping a nuke on a city doesn't make me city level. Especially when it doesn't actually happen. Sephiroth himself being SS level would defeat the entire purpose of summoning meteor in the first place.
@@broom2839 Nuking a city makes you city level if you're in the city while the nuke is going off, or if the nuke doesn't do that much more damage compared to your other attacks.
But I will concede that it is reasonable to interpret Sephiroth as below solar system, since to my knowledge, most of the plot of the game is him trying to pull off a planet-level feat. He is still far, far above anything in RWBY (except maybe the deities).
"And can manipulate Sand, oh goodie so can a fucking level 1 diglett"
xD I'm laughing so hard just imagining a level 1 diglett KOing Gaara now
Og gara in an alt timeline vs lvl 1 diglet gara dies
Toph had trouble with sand in the actual series so her winning seems like bullshit
@@jackofblades2796 we know
But... but... Toph made a sandcastle. WAY more impressive than Gara's sand tsunamis!
@@Spinner891 good sandcastle bad earth shield...... .......
To be honest, with the Shadow vs Mewtwo fight I always say this when I see a character who can freeze time, Not just shadow.
"Freeze time and just stab um in the chest, freeze time and stab um in the chest"
Heck I do this with characters who have super speed which is why I hate Flash CW because 90% of the time Flash shows up and talks rather then get the job done with an instant knock out or relocate to a prison cell.
The other BIG flaw with the Toph vs Gaara fight was that Toph can see through vibrations in the ground, not "sense earth". That's the entire reason they let her see the habitually airborne Gaara, because they decided to change how Toph's blindsight works
I love Avatar, and even I knew it was BS. She does not "see" or "sense" earth, she feels the vibrations. In fact, she has trouble with sand because it makes her vision "fuzzy" since vibrations don't travel through it as well.
They explicitly cited (and showed onscreen) an official source stating that she can sense earth even when it's in mid-air.
Love to his videos way that criticizes death battle for the flaws in their analysis and scaling without bringing up outside sources,
Feats and statements while at the same time showing appreciation for the series. That’s why your a g nemesis.
Death Battle: This characters is shown here destroying a planet but due to very specific circumstances and plot points, we cant give him a Planet-Destroyer level
Also Death Battle: This character claims he can destroy a planet, he never shows capabilities even close to being able to do that, but hey, he said it, it must be true
tracer vs scout: scout was hit by a rocket in the leg and 3 more in the face but due to a "very specific circumstance" they claimed this never happened.
while for tracer she has never seen going more than 15 seconds back in time yet they let her go back almost 1 minute in the past also karate abilities and a second bomb out of nowhere.
I can destroy the entire universe. I am a universe buster.
Death Battle: *Write that down WRITE THAT DOWN*
@@CBT_Gaming123 Leave alone the Mugetsu scaling. They deadass screwed up Ichigo's transformations and general power scaling as well. While I don't care who really wins since they are both equally powerful, saying that Ichigo isn't planetary is just ridiculous. Didn't he blow up Hell?
@@gillettematch3188 Tracer also had her damn timey wobbly stuff broken multiple times from falling off to some big fist hitting it (or crushing it) while Scout was able to I believe kill not only a grizzly bear with a brittle bone of a human but also managed to outfight multiple gun wielding robots in a very tight situation
I'd say maybe the Apostle from the Golden Age arc after the rescue might be able to destroy a castle but not like one strike unless it's a support but they'd need to address that cause he's rarely seen in the adaptations
That Garra vs Toph fight is so much worse because they get a lot wrong about her abilities. Firstly, from the clips shown they seem to be fighting in a desert, which means that Toph shouldn’t be able to do any substantially powerful bending since she doesn’t know how to bend sand. Not to mention her blind sense is blurred because of the sand. Also, while Toph can see anything that is touching a bendable surface, she has to be touching that bendable surface to see anything. This means that Toph is at a disadvantage in every conceivable way when fighting against Garra, the ninja whose whole thing is fighting with sand
Honestly, this just proves how much logic is overlooked when you actually try to say "who can beat who in a fight".
no surprise after all they make a guy capable of surviving planets exploding on his face lose against a guy who is only good at digging holes
@@gillettematch3188 I tend to just enjoy the fight scenes themselves at this point. DB logic is sometimes flawed when you look at it.
And then there's cases where fans know that they clearly didn't do their research properly.
*cough cough* ichigo vs naruto *cough cough*
@@dredvax they said ichigo would be never able to catch naruto but later they said he's faster than naruto like wtf dude?
Was really hoping you'd bring up the Ben 10 Green Lantern one. They explicitly mention the omnitrix's ability to instantly switch Ben's form without his input in the event of life-threatening danger, but they let Hal Jordan cut his arm off with scissors without that coming up at all.
well losing an arm isn't life threatening all the blood coming out after would be
It's irrelevant since it would be cutting Ben off from the Omnitrix, which is literally impossible.
no it definatly is possible vilgax has managed to pull it off a couple times, granted one of the times was after he smashed one of bens aliens
@JALEN D CUTTS yea but dont forget the animation fight part is just for entertainment purposes just to showcase the skills
@JALEN D CUTTS what don't you like about it?
I mean Death Battle should just be watched for fun imo anyway. Some of this stuff is not really their fault rather the fact that when you are dealing with comic books and things like that everything is so inconsistent. Even characters that return in multiple episodes will have their stats/feats change where they'll be stronger or weaker than they were the last time. I appreciate the effort they put in to researching but more because it's fun to learn rather than it actually plays a factor in the outcome. Like you'll fucking have one comic book where Spider-Man loses to Vulture and you can have another one where he literally beats Thor xD
Exactly I'm mean you can't expect anyone to be accurate with these types of fictional character.
The way DB presents their videos makes them sound like it's supposed to be objective facts cause of their super smart scientific analysis.
And a lot of people actually take them as fact, I've been in some many discussions where someone said something like "Character A beat Character B in Death Battle, Character B is stronger than Character C, therefore Character A is stronger than character C"
This is why I went from watching their videos when they dropped to just watching them now and then. I can remove my bias for a character for the sake of these battles, but it seems like they have their own bias built-in to their analysis...
Blanka beating a "wild" Pikachu makes sense but Ash's Pikachu would've mopped the floor with him considering the scaling DB used in future episodes when it comes to Pokémon.
Also I kinda forgot how gruesome the death was in Pikachu Vs Blanka (tho still not quite as gruesome as the Pokémon Adventures manga lol!).
Yes!. Respresent Poké special!
Exactly. And they also used the Pokemon logic on Blanka... when he's not even a Pokemon.
To be fair though, feat-wise, Pikachu is extremely inconsistent. One episode, he beats legendary Pokémon no problem, and in the next, he gets his ass handed to him by a beginner's Snivy and even a fucking MARGIKARP out of all Pokémon. I mean, say what you want about Blanka, at least he's a consistent character with consistent abilities.
@@TheInfuckingcredible Two words: status quo.
Ignore that the Arbok lives
sad that doomguy vs master chief wasn't mentioned, where doomguy is stated to run at '57 mph' then practically stood still through the fight.
I came here just for that
Hey man, DB constantly refuses to let fast people be fast, I mean Scout in Tracer vs Scout doesn’t move and he’s the fastest person there is
Also it would have been a closer fight if it was 2016 Doom Guy and Master Chief. Instead of OG Doom Guy.
@@chenstormstout9456 2016 Doom Slayer wasn’t there yet so they used the next best thing
@@Predator20357 then they need to throw that one out and redo the whole fight.
5:23 there's a crossover comic (probably 30 others too) where they fight and are deemed perfectly equal until something outside of them knocks them both off balance
I absolutely love and adore this video.
The biggest thing that I will never forget is how they purposefully did not use power scaling in the first Goku versus Superman episode but proceeds to use power scaling in almost every other instance of death battle
Superman wins regardless. Especially considering how in the first death battle goku hadnt even gotten ssjg or UI
Idk if it really mattered too much depending on the version of Supes. GT Goku still isn't Galaxy level.
@@jasonfranco5448 He wins regardless cause of Bias.
They stated he was outflying infinity, and lifting endless weight, while he didnt. Green Lantern did, while he failed, and The Book had infinite Growth, but not infinite Pages.
He has limits and can be beaten theoretically.
Goku in the other hand. Before anything else, his Speed was set back to SSJ Numbers due to a Calculationerror, and sould be ten Times as fast.
Also it was calculated from his casual Travelspeed whit a Powerlevel of maybe 800, while his Power against Freeza was at the Millions, whitout SSJ.
I dont know Supermanlore, but I know Marvel and DC add a lot of Guys showing up, and randomly having universal Feets.
So maybe he is stronger. But certainly not by this Messurement.
@@broom2839 Im pretty sure he is.
Buu was able to destroy Gallaxys and would have destroyed the entire Afterlife.
You could say hes weaker then Buu and only won due to Genkidama, but Buu was hard to beat, cause of his Regeneration, not Power.
Goku was mostly tieing in Speed and Strenght.
You could also say Goku is Streetlevel, cause his Beams destroy middlesized Rocks despite them at there weakest, likely beeing Moon and Planetpower, but thats just Inconsistency for the Sake of making the Show work.
Superman wins regardless.
They did address Wally West and Archie Sonic as immeasurable speed characters
i only remember them saying they can move in time stop which is timestop
@@fahadsanad1455 For Wally they said, and i quote "He was so fast, reality does not have any means to calculate or even comprehend his speed" while they said "In the words of the comic itself: Sonic's speed is incalculable" for Sonic. The episode is kinda confusing (which to be fair i don't blame them for, it's kinda inevitable for the matchup), but they kinda did put both at immesurable while also technically never directly using that term?
@@robmacher3253 iirc they said that while showing the time stop feat i guess they confused inaccessible with immeasurable
@@fahadsanad1455 the time stop feat was just that, a feat of speed. And it's not just time manipulation resistance as both characters are treated as faster than time itself. The only one confused here is you
@@N_o196 i never contested time stop being a speed feat but moving in stopped time via speed is inaccessible not immeasurable
They do state, in Guts v nightmare, that most everything Guts fights on a daily basis can kill him in one strick.
What I didn't like about guts vs nightmare was comparing Dragonslayer as a replacement to the soul sword. Just because dragonslayer is magical doesn't automatically mean it can replace a sword of legend that's been fated to be the only thing that can destroy Nightmare.
I'm surprised Goku vs Superman was not put on this list. (Not saying it should be on, just surprised).