I'm not sure about engines, but flare sensitivity in missles is now alot more realistic, even if it is arguably worse for gameplay. When it comes to the MLD, imo the viggen and f4ej kai are just as good or slightly better (especially when it comes to armament). What makes the mld really dominant is player comp. Simply alot more people play the USSR compared to japan or sweden, so you see alot more mlds than the viggen or ej kai.
The main issue with the Phantoms is their lack of true all-aspect missiles. The radar lock gets broken by chaff pretty easily, so getting those sweet AIM-7 kills is a challenge.
Flares atm are just braindead noob easy to use, and nothing compared to realism, try DCS if you want to know/feel true flares/chaffs, now this stuff its just too op, propably because idiots crying about "WEEEE I PRESS ONE TIME X AND I DO NOTHING MORE AND I GET KILLED BY MISSILE WEEE PLEASE NERFS MISSILES BUFF FLARES WEEEE"
My experience so far with the MLD has been awesome. It's genuinely very enjoyable and overall a satisfying vehicle. Surprisingly tanky to the point where I can't tell if its damage model is just scuffed and perhaps it'll be fixed in future. I personally play with an all IR AAM loadout and use stealth with speed, take-off, fly fast and low, put wings to 100% for max speed, get behind the enemy and use IRST (added benefit of slaving without RWR ping) and hit guys not paying attention. The R-24R works well too if you enjoy BVR/Radar gameplay. I couldn't imagine how busted this thing would be if it had kept its all-aspect R-60Ms. Finally nice that Russia has a very competitive 11.0 now (though arguably should be even higher. 12.0 when Gaijin pls). Definitely a significantly noticeable leap in ability from that of the MiG-21s.
@@user-hr1uw4cj2z I mean the F4E is from early to mid 70s, MLD was built from 1982-1984. The MLD was designed in timeframe where there were F20s, F18s, F15s, F14s, Tornados, and Mirage 2000s, So it’s doing very well against aircraft that we’re not meant to fight it.
The current MLD in game is statistically op as fuck, over a month after launch its winrate is 82% with a 3.3 K/D average compared to the F4e Americans have at a 35% winrate with a 1.1 kd
I enjoyed getting to see your take on the MLD. I’m still of the opinion it should have come out later as the MiG 23 M was already balanced well with the other 11.0’s. It just took some time and understanding of the planes strengths to get good with it. Side note I feel your pain on that team kill. I got team killed about 15-20 times with first couple days after the patch when I was recording footage for my MLD video.
Just got German mig 23 MF. By far the most informative video that helped me learn it. Although I don’t even have an MLD! Thank you keep it up please! We require more content creators for WT
I found this channel through watching random videos. Happened across the video about buying into Jets vs Grinding through props to jets. Very easy to listen to. I put you up there with Scottish Koala and Ash for players who I can listen to, as well as watch. Cheers Mate!
The flare meta will persist to be a constant thing until we see R73Ms, AIM-9M/X, and Python 5. And before that Chaff meta will start to pickup whenever the 120s, 27ERs and R77s come to play.
Yeah, sadly even actuall missiles shouldnt be so stupid versus flares etc, they was pretty balanced and realistic at beginning, but ofc lamers cries about flares useless cuz they are too stupid to understand how to use them, and now we got, ace combat flares, gj gayjin and stupid community.
This thing literally drives me mad every time when I'm playing F-4F. I mean, it outperforms F-4F in almost every aspects except the meme SUU-23/A gun pods + 4x AIM-9Js loadout for sneaking when the MLD was busy or head-on firing. I used to cry for F-4F ICE, AIM-9L or, at least, AIM-9P5 because of this reason. (I know, the Luftwaffe never got AIM-9P5 IRL, but neither AIM-9J. So, I don't think it's the real issue for Gaijoob.) However, as soon as I got MiG-21bis-SAU with the halfway-upgraded modules, I have changed my mind, at least for now. Yes, it's no longer a meta plane for a while now, but it's still a formidable plane which definitely can tackle on MiG-23MLD in many situations, particularly the high-speed turning and the acceleration at low speed. Moreover, the current Air RB meta is already a hot mess, so I think F-4F ICE can and should wait for a while or it will ruin the game even more.
i can already see you blowing up on yt... just KEEP UP! dont stop cause you got everything to be a good populer war thunder youtuber, and also... the mld isnt op its just annoying to fight against
The MLD is strong, but viggens, the ej kai, and the brit phantoms tend to be stiff counters to it assuming they aren't being idiots. Honorable mentions to the...E series: F4E, F5E, and J7E2.
@@zacharybaker770 the j7e, f4f and f5a but you dont care and wanna stay happy with the f4e on 10.7 dont you? With 4 aim7e2 and aim9j, lot of flares, acceleration, turn rate, gun and cas load. Just becaus did not have PD.
@@DarkLighting115 what are you saying? if you're saying that the f4e isn't suffering because other planes are then you misunderstand my point. the f4e has been outclassed in most if not all ways at this point. the only thing it had going for it against Russian planes was the fact that the aim 9 j was less sensitive to flares bet even that is gone. i think every country that does not have an equivalent to the MLD, Viggen, or EJ Kai should get an equivalent before Russia gets another 11.0 plane that is even better than other country's top-tier aircraft.
*chuckles in Mach 2.3 angels 50 Phoenix lofting after burning kitten* *AT 60 MILES.*
2 года назад+8
I'm not pro but I am having an average of 4 kills per game with my Mig-23MLD giving me 300 kills and a kill death ratio of 6/1 K/D, 82% winrate. It is so OP.
I can assure you that it is not OP and it is more about the players with a dead brain.
2 года назад+3
@@DarkLighting115 I fought many good F4E J37 FGR players that are very good but they dont really stand a chance against the Mig-23MLD... I fought against a pro FGR player with 70%wr and 2000kills 7/1 kd ratio and he told me that mig23mld is a plane that requires less or no skill coz it's too OP.
Team balancing. USSR is paired with the other best jets in the game more often than not, leaving u to club the germans and americans, 2 of the weaker ones
@ they say the same when the mig21bis goes on, or the mig21mst. If it is a completely dogfight obviously the mld will win, but if it is combat at great distance and height the fgr2 has to take a role of interseptor and use the cannons only when fence to be very safe to give it. In addition to only caring when they suffer, they don't mind eating j35, j7e or mig23m at a distance.
2 года назад+2
@@SeekerHead actually team balancing is not the case.. I had a lot of win games with my USSR / Germany Pair or just only USSR vs the whole world, also having more Mig-23M and MLD in 1 game will stomp the enemy even more, i remember a match where in the first 6mins,the game already ended, russian team didnt even lost a single plane vs Sweden, USA, british and Japan. Its just the Mig-23MLD was too good. It has the same level of F-14A performance in real life and far far ahead from the JA-37C EJ KAI and FGR to be exact..
This thing in an extended dogfight is scary. No chance with the F-4E, as it gets outrated. Normally that isn't a problem, but it has happened more times than I would've liked. Those wings are scary. Same goes for the 23M and 27. Even in the F-5E it can be a hard plane to kill in a dogfight, took me really long to get a clear shot on a crit MiG-23MLD, it was close enough for me to believe I would've lost if I had more fuel as I only had
I don't think that the skill will decrease with buffed flares, because if the missile doesn't hit more people take the gun which needs much more skill. And I don't think that flares are too strong because most of the time 3 of 4 R 60 hit just timing matters
As I said in the video, I’ve proved 5 people otherwise in customs where i defeat any missile launched at me with a single flare drop putting in minimal effort. I will gladly show you the same if you’d like. Wanting missiles to be weaker for the sake of gun skill is very counterproductive to the idea of adding jets like the 11.0s with strong missiles, and i’d recommend you just go play non missile thunder BRs. Modern jet combat is (or at least was) a skill that had to be completely learned from scratch, it’s a different kind of skill nowhere else in the game, and resorting back to lower BR gun fighting just doesn’t make sense
@@SeekerHead All missiles get flares out now, but I dont really see how that's any less skillful? Unless you are a jaguar a spamming flares cause you have 250 of em, that just rewards good awareness. It was fine the old way, but I like it this way too. Don't think the dude was saying that they don't get flared out, just that you can still get lots of kills with them by playing smart. As an aside, its nice that Russia isn't the only one getting shafted by flares now. Used to be r60 were frustrating due to how hard it was to sneak em in when 9js would just ignore your own flares half the time. At least everyone's fox 2's suck somewhat equally now. Unless you are France, cause they don't believe in having more than two dogfight missiles on board apparently and most of the mirage's killing potential was just due to the superiority of magics guaranteeing a few kills despite having a max of three AAM and a kind of suspect fox1 (which feels even worse in comparison now that skyflashes are all over). I know thats why they are 10.7 now, but by god does France need the Mirage f1..... like 2 patches ago.
@@SeekerHead Wow, exactly, finally someone who have brain, im tired of ppl who think flares should be OP as in ace combat (just press X button to be safe with 0 effort from you like good positioning, disabling afterburner etc) but well, this game is maked from idiots for idiots so... Just look at ground RB, how people can enjoy it, those maps are good for max 2 era, and now i fight on 500 meters max with my Leclercs etc, SB ground was good but they broke it too with spawnkilling helis, eh gayjin, facepalm.
The way I play this is climb to around 7km altitude and position myself to the side of the map. Start launching R13s at targets between 8-9km away and without fail, it's almost always a kill with every missile. R13 seems to completely ignore flares.
The r24 was supposed to be better than the aim7f, currently the r23s are also somewhat nerf since the r23 should have an engine time of 3 sec giving it a good effective range and the r24 of 5sec. Also the r24 should have a maximum launch load of 7g not 5g. Another problem with the R versions is the arming time when leaving the rail, in which it should be only half a second on both missiles and should not have a straight flight like the aim7. The r23/24t has a frontal range of 4.7km Being a maximum SITUATIONAL of 8km in the r23 and 15km in the r24
@@SeekerHead yeah well front allpect lock range its the same r23/24, The maximum situation is the one that changes because if I remember correctly the r24 Can lock a sr71 at 100km with the change of seeker
Try Using the IRST by switching your radar search mode from radar to IR its unaffected by chaff/flare me and a friend have tested this with all aircraft equipped with flares and chaff. A IR lock is death to all unless you magically overG the missle.
I do use the IRST and what you say simply isn't factual. It is subject to flares and other heat sources such as missiles and other jets engines. Additionally, IRST only LOCKs the plane, it has 0 to do with the tracking of the missile, rather simply tells the seaker where to look. Once it's off the rail, the missile is independent of IRST.
is not the mld being good is the other team most of the time half full of f5c/mig 21spsk/mig 21mf and some f8e or so and none of those are gona hold a candel to the mig 23mld or mig 23m on top of that when a new plane gets realest all the vets and good players grind it and play it a lot so overall is a 1/2 ratio of 11.0 on a team all of this makes planes like the l35d/f4f very painful because having just 4 fox 2 makes the planes useless and the j35d cant doge r 60m if you go faster that 900km/h in a head on because compression that is my experiences at least
Right now I've noticed a weird bug with the MLD where I use my R-24R, get a lock, fire the missile, the enemy chaffs it (or flares idk I can't see chaff) but the radar lock stays on target while the missile gets chaffed
For my F-4J and F-4E it’s different if my lock gets chaffed in my f4e ill still get the kill 8-10 times,if its the f4-j with PD the radar gets chaffed but i can lock it right back on the target allowing the missile to get right back on target
i use a keybind for acm and regular radar locks, the regular radar lock is a lot better for taking long shots like at the start of a match, while i only use the acm lock if the regular one isnt working and i need a lock asap. the acm has a lock range of 9km so its easy to use as a failsafe
I only play us and I find going against that thing in my f4e, f5c, f5e, f8e completely impossible and un enjoyable because it is so spammed out and busted compared the what I have. When I die it’s to an mld 9 times out of 10 and my 10.3s face it every single time. I am bankrupt now, please help.
Good to see a measured take on the MiG-23MLD. Been playing for near 9 years as well, and the community goes through this Russian Bias nonsense every time a comparable top tier is given to the USSR. Realistically it's just the communities confirmation bias mixed in with a large percentage of inexperienced players talking the loudest. I am a USA main at heart, but I have every tree completely unlocked. The MiG-23MLD is no different to the Viggen on launch, or the EJ kai, or the F4E long ago. I think everyone misses that each nation has its seat at being the top tier "best," and its not favoritism, its the limitations of each generation of fighter and what can be added into the game. The German (yes, germany was the indisputable top dog at air for a long time!) CL-13 absolutely rocked everything for a quite the span of time, as it was the defacto best example you could add for the meta all those years ago (straight line speed, retention, roll and guns on), with IR missiles being a good ways off from being implemented. IR Missiles were added and boom it was surpassed by the Afterburning F-100D and MiG-19PT. There is no Bias, they are just adding planes to the roster and sometimes jumps need to occur to open up more possibilities and to balance whats in the game; the (arguable fgr2) Viggen/EJ Kai were some of the first and this is just a continuation of the process; the MLD just happened to be the flavor of the patch. If you disagree; get over yourself. Go play other nations, as the grass is always greener until you take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
Unfortunately German will probably not be top dog for a while now with how we get a mix of US/Rus aircraft. As seen with the German Bis we'll most likely just get each nations jets well after the original nation received them, probably when those nations recieve their more powerful ones
problem is that now, the f4e's radar is much worse than the mld's as well. it loses lock with the first chaff drop, very much unlike the mld, or anything with pd radar. so it loses in bvr most likely, and if it makes it to close range it will get absolutely anihilated in a dogfight. so it really has nothing going for it other than weapon quantity, which will very likely not be useful in until very much later in the fight
imho as sad F-104J pilot it's just a meta thing and you would have to wait for weeks or months to actually see how planes perform. The MLD is surely very powerful but at the moment just every chad is flying and grinding it. The amount of games where one team (either mine or the enemy, when the Mig-23s were on my side) is dead before I even start turning in with my F-104 is just ridiculous. Was the same when the Mig-21 PFM came out and I was flying the F-4E, the soviet teams were just dead in seconds. By the time I get to the Mig-23, the Meta will have changed again for sure :D
I dont wanna say its too good. But I think the only problem is is that russia is the only country with all aspect missiles. If more countries get these they will probably be less good again.
But if you shot r24 and do this you will lose the missile, because mld mla is 60°degree bisector or 30°degree while phantoms with much larger range weapon have 120°degree bisector or 60° from right and left side, that mean mig23 cannot do a good crank and stand against phantoms doing this
@@aderror6035 In war thunder that’s kind of the case, but on mig 21s you see that rectangle even when locking a target on normal radar mode. It’s just gaijins arcade like modeling of complicated things.
The f14 is quite meh. A climb rate quite mediocre of only 152.2 m/s when we compare to the 200m/s of the Viggen, the 220m/s of the mig 23 mld, the the210m/s of the British F4´s, the 172m/s of the F4 kai, and the 190m/s of the f4E It would be the biggest fighter jet so is target easy for gunfire. The aim54 is a missile with many pros and cons yeas a missile of around 150km of range, but the maps are of around 30km and engage are around less than 20km, also the main reason why in the gulf war f14 carried a 4 4 0( 4 aim9L or M,4 aim7M and 0 aim54) combination was that engages would be short to medium ranges, ranges of air RB. For air, RB would be a quite good plane but not that would be a huge ganger for enemies, but for air SIM it would be a very good plane. Also if we talk about weapons if they put to the f14 the aim9L and aim7F or M they would also put to the F4E the aim7F and the aim9L, to the Russians the R27 and the R73 and so on. I say to you this because I see that to the f14 would happen the same thing that happened with the mig 23 M, people were thinking of the mig23MLD more than the M, so with the f14 would happen the same
@@ser43_OLDC not exactly the f14 was a good rate fighter n aim9L wont come anytime soon it has a range of 35km (wiki) and r73 is equal to aim9x and f4e did not carry aim9l nor aim7f it was f4s which carried aim9l /aim7f but it did not have the vulcan the f14 would be broken op in sim but aim54a is not that good it pulls like 15-18Gs but has huge range it will be op if the enemy is landing or taking off aim7f in itself has 70km range 2x more than the aim7e2 and like 30-40G limit (not sure if its aim7f or m ) they may just add f14a with 4 aim9h/L n4 aim7e4 or aim7f or just 9j n e2 with pd radar
@@ser43_OLDC Flight performance wise, the F14a is quite weak indeed. But you are heavily underestimating how many leaps and bounds its weapons and systems are ahead of everything else we have. The AIM7M combined with its radar would be a free kills, quite unstoppable against the current jet pool of 11.0. AIM9Ms would be frustratingly flare resistant, moreso than anything we've every seen before, and have R60 like tracking off the rail at magic speeds. And no, gaijin would not give these weapons to anybody else. As you said, look at the migs. The MLD has R24s and the M doesnt, this doesnt have to be the case, but it is. Also, 21bis, and all mig23s carried R60Ms irl, but again not the case in War Thunder. F14 can wait a while longer.
My F4E has something to say about that dog fight lmao. aim9js USED to be immune to flares before missiles update, but yeah they use to go right through flares ( no not track flares like a trail, They flew right past and through flares or straight up ignored flares.) But now pft, Flares are just get out of jail free card with missiles kinda lame. Cause realistically it takes fuck tons of skill to just get away from. 30g missle.
I don't know what you are talking about rarely getting one burst kills. I admit, it fails more often than other cannons, but it still kills in one burst 80% of the time.
It doesn't have PD radar as the thumbnail sugests. MTI is a different thing. It works only near ground level, any higher than about 1,5 km and it's off. Also IFF doesn't work with MTI on thus it"s possible to kill friendlies since R24s tarck even after loosing lock if the target is still iluminated by your radar. Still one of the best jets in game currently.
We should have stopped at the time of the Korean War, because missiles were getting better and better, and technology was becoming less and less necessary, and it was just a game of clicks.
i think the mld is fine. not that it isnt good, but i just find it boring af. like i got it on day 1 and spaded it and it is just boring. r24t is 2 guaranteed kills and then you get 4 r60s and a really shit gun. of course its a good missile loadout with the r24s but fundamentally the gameplay is a lot more boring than with the viggen because you're bread and butter (4 r60s + gsh-23l) is so much worse than that of the viggen (4 aim 9js + really cool 30mm akan). also the viggen can do some more interesting stuff in dogfights rather than the mig 23mld which relies on pure thrust and energy trapping or rate fighting even though it can pull some AoA. basically what it comes down to is if i want to play some top tier i can choose mig 23mld for guaranteed win and boring af match or viggen where i might get something cool like a clutch ace or whatever. so i tend not to play the mld because it is boring right now.
@@SeekerHead ye i play my couple missile thunders games a week, and around half the time magics do tend to slot back in on the engine especially if you slightly misjudge the angle of which to head to after flaring tho that doesnt mean i die to them often they are just the most tedious to dodge because of their strong flare resistance or rather locking onto flares for 1-2 secs and then back to the engine
MLD raw flight performance is the best, its acceleration beats out all its contenders like the viggen and phantoms.. MLD missiles is much better than their western counterparts right now the only time IR works is from long range and weird angles as you said and western SideWinders are not alla aspect meaning you know they will always come from behind. Radar-guided missiles like sky flash are worthless pretty much since the radar in the game does not work i have less than 20% hit ratio with them on my viggen. This is why the migs are op.
@@SeekerHead or just quit, Since the snail never lets anyone but Russia be op for long periods and top tier is and has been all the the time a huge unbalanced mess. Its like when the viggen was introduced it was good and it took them like 2 weeks to nerf its acceleration and missiles making it pretty meh...
In bvr combat the phantoms have all the cards, just see the missile stats lets take the third better bvr missile in game, the skyflash, the skyflash can reach 30km, 5 secs of burn that leave a missile reaching mach 4, exelent glide, 25g, more ligher (193kg), time guidence of 40 Sec, while r24 is 25km in pratical range, 5 secs of burn that make the missile reach mach 3.5, 24g, with aproximate mass of 250kg, with 45 sec of guidence, we can see the skyflash is sigthly better missile, i hit targets shooting from 28/27km doing crank, the only advantage of r24 is the time guidence of 5sec whose is teorical seens will lose a lot of speed
does somepne know what is the point of big missiles like the r24 having a heatseeking variant? why not just use more r60? heatseeking doesnt give bvr locks and that huge missile seems like an overkill for wvr heatseeking missile dogfight range. like what is the historical use of such big heavy missiles being IR guided
@@cherryperoxide In that case, in real life you can get IRST locks from greater range, even upwards of 20-30km with the more modern systems, and the target won’t be warned you’re firing on them, unlike with a radar lock.
@@SeekerHead but that only works with a stealth plane irl 😭 like ok they wont get the launch noti but if u got a fighter nose hot at 30km u better be defensive anyway
I agree with your assesment of the MLD all in all. But i will say, that it does not fit at 11.0! I have spaded the german F-4F and it is even inferior to the F-4E of the US. I would advocate to first add the I.C.E upgraded Phantoms to the german tree (and some hight tier attackers!). In my Opinion the MLD must increase in BR if the F-4F and F-4E stay at 11.0, where they belong. You could put the F-4F at 10.7 but I dont want to compress even more. After all, playing the BRs between 9.3 and 10.0 is already rough enough.
well i remember the website of gaijin says that the FGR can go mach 1.22 on the deck and the Viggen at 1.2 soo they are faster. im also sure that the F-104S can go faster.
It’s dependent on the map. Different mach speeds will be achieved on different maps, despite being at the same altitude/circumstances. The MLD will outrun everything on the deck. Sure, some aircraft have higher rip speeds in the deck than the MLD, but they can’t get to those speeds in a straight line. If those planes are doing those mach speeds on that map, then the MLD would probably be doing 1.23 on the deck of that map.
The MLD is a very good jet. but very far from being OP, its biggest strenght, the missiles, can be easily countered with countermeasures; also we have to remember that it has the new plane syndrome, which all the good players are playing that new nation at the moment; it was the same with the Viggen, and if you look at it now, you dont see many Viggens flying around. To sum up: is the MLD good? YES Is it op? A BIG NO
Can be flexible figther, but the phantoms with e2 skyflash and aim7e is better than r24 in range just look the cards cards, the phantoms radar have pd shift signal which means doppler conection of lock is strong in front head on coming than mti of mig23 mld mla is weak which means other is harder to break the lock on than mti, and to worse if phantoms do the crank manoever the migs whose migs bad radar angle, (120°x10° vs 60°x10 of mig). Was a time i detect the mig at 30km in higher altitude i shot 27km and other at 18km, and him start to lock and shot me, when i came 5.5km i thought i need fire the 3 skyflash but not, both hit the mld or mla making critical and second killing i was wasten a 3 shot for nothing
@@SeekerHead I meant the thumbnail. In addition, MTI works differently than pulse doppler. Where as MIT cannot see targets if the closure rate of the radar and the target is small (ie. in a tail chase where both planes are going the same speed), Pulse Doppler cannot see targets if the closure rate of the terrain and target is small (ie. they are flying perpendicular to the radar)
@@orbitalpotato9940 I’m aware, and why i said think of MTI as “watered down PD” in the video. It’s in the thumbnail as PD because it’s essentially trying to perform the same function, and a lot more people know what PD is.
I see u ask how that guy has that plane he probably did what I did I skipped most bottom br for the us german russia and Italy u just need $$$ u spade a few Vehicles and that gives u a bunch of points to reasurch anything u want with golden eagles. It just cost a crap ton of money I got top of russia and never played anything below 6.7. I wanted 1,000s of dollars probably on war thunder and haven't played it since the first Merkava tank came out
@@SeekerHead when u spade a vehicle out u get a bunch of free convertible rp I'm just saying I'd go from Tear one to top tear with out playing a single tank. It definitely is a waste of money.
This thing should be 12.0 or even 13.0, i was trying to spade my f8e for 10.3 clan battles other day, and this thing just ruined my day. 0 skill needed.
Check my viggen. The bis was 80% when it released for me too, still never called it op. There’s a lot that goes into what side wins than just the newest plane of the update.
8:10 And It wont get better, the MIG 29 only has 150 rounds on 30mm, mind its a 30mm but only 150 rounds is a joke compared to the spray you can do in a Vulcan, later variants of the 29 only have 100 rounds lmao. hell the 25 doesn't even have a gun
Yeah...not big amount of ammo but its 30mm and really good cannon velocity around 900m/s....American vulcan in my hands many times just crit opponents and thats all
Only 150 rounds but a much lower fire rate, so the trigger time wont be toooooo bad. Still not as good as a vulcan, but good enough to get the job done.
How are you managing to get kills without a gun? In my experience with the fgr missiles always get neutralised by chaff or flares. I'm sure I have more kills with the vulcan than the skyflash or aim9.
@@stoyantodorov2133 high 5-7km and fast never subsonic, no dogfighting, 3 to 4 passes per match. Easy 3.5 kd. I was 0.8 kd before this tactic. Haven't played about 9 months tho.
Viggen can have a higher speed on the deck without ripping, but is only achievable through a dive. In a straight line, relying solely on acceleration, the MLD tops out at .02 mach more than the Viggen. The viggen stabilizes its mach speed on the deck, the MLD will continue to accelerate, but rips if you go faster than that .02 extra over viggen.
@@SeekerHead I mean no one would expect you to lunch a missle this close and when you are that close it usually means he is in a dog fight with ur team and prob is not paying interest to u so he won’t even see it
@@SeekerHead as said to some people blaming their F-86F40 JASDF fighting Mig21MF/SMT // J35A and others F8U's: All combat depends on a lot of parameters, some depending of the pilot, some depending to weather or altitude (Last can be choosed too by one of the pilots : mostly the one in defence) As all of this explainned, F4E or MiG-23 dogfight abilities are very similar to each others,... so i don't see a lot of differences in turns. Then, calling only a skill issue is obviously wrong. 😀
I'm not sure about engines, but flare sensitivity in missles is now alot more realistic, even if it is arguably worse for gameplay. When it comes to the MLD, imo the viggen and f4ej kai are just as good or slightly better (especially when it comes to armament). What makes the mld really dominant is player comp. Simply alot more people play the USSR compared to japan or sweden, so you see alot more mlds than the viggen or ej kai.
The main issue with the Phantoms is their lack of true all-aspect missiles.
The radar lock gets broken by chaff pretty easily, so getting those sweet AIM-7 kills is a challenge.
Flares atm are just braindead noob easy to use, and nothing compared to realism, try DCS if you want to know/feel true flares/chaffs, now this stuff its just too op, propably because idiots crying about "WEEEE I PRESS ONE TIME X AND I DO NOTHING MORE AND I GET KILLED BY MISSILE WEEE PLEASE NERFS MISSILES BUFF FLARES WEEEE"
4:59 - "Don't die I'm coming"
7:13 - "Cause I wanna be the one to kill you"
Teammates some times worse than enemies, he ruined such good game
Remember kids, teammates are enemies in blue.
My experience so far with the MLD has been awesome. It's genuinely very enjoyable and overall a satisfying vehicle. Surprisingly tanky to the point where I can't tell if its damage model is just scuffed and perhaps it'll be fixed in future. I personally play with an all IR AAM loadout and use stealth with speed, take-off, fly fast and low, put wings to 100% for max speed, get behind the enemy and use IRST (added benefit of slaving without RWR ping) and hit guys not paying attention. The R-24R works well too if you enjoy BVR/Radar gameplay.
I couldn't imagine how busted this thing would be if it had kept its all-aspect R-60Ms.
Finally nice that Russia has a very competitive 11.0 now (though arguably should be even higher. 12.0 when Gaijin pls). Definitely a significantly noticeable leap in ability from that of the MiG-21s.
it wont get r60m not till f4s or f14 n the bis should have gotten it lol
From what I have heard its better than F4 in every way except the gun so obviously it will be good to Fly.
@@user-hr1uw4cj2z I mean the F4E is from early to mid 70s, MLD was built from 1982-1984. The MLD was designed in timeframe where there were F20s, F18s, F15s, F14s, Tornados, and Mirage 2000s, So it’s doing very well against aircraft that we’re not meant to fight it.
@@JackTheLumberJack I Know.
The current MLD in game is statistically op as fuck, over a month after launch its winrate is 82% with a 3.3 K/D average compared to the F4e Americans have at a 35% winrate with a 1.1 kd
Hey mate it’s me from when you were flying the mig 23m and I called you out on being a yt 😂, great vid as always, keep it up
Very balanced and well-argumented opinion. You deserve more subs!
I enjoyed getting to see your take on the MLD. I’m still of the opinion it should have come out later as the MiG 23 M was already balanced well with the other 11.0’s. It just took some time and understanding of the planes strengths to get good with it.
Side note I feel your pain on that team kill. I got team killed about 15-20 times with first couple days after the patch when I was recording footage for my MLD video.
Just got German mig 23 MF. By far the most informative video that helped me learn it. Although I don’t even have an MLD! Thank you keep it up please! We require more content creators for WT
I found this channel through watching random videos. Happened across the video about buying into Jets vs Grinding through props to jets. Very easy to listen to. I put you up there with Scottish Koala and Ash for players who I can listen to, as well as watch. Cheers Mate!
The flare meta will persist to be a constant thing until we see R73Ms, AIM-9M/X, and Python 5. And before that Chaff meta will start to pickup whenever the 120s, 27ERs and R77s come to play.
They need to fix radar missile code for chaff to be useful first.
Yeah, sadly even actuall missiles shouldnt be so stupid versus flares etc, they was pretty balanced and realistic at beginning, but ofc lamers cries about flares useless cuz they are too stupid to understand how to use them, and now we got, ace combat flares, gj gayjin and stupid community.
This thing literally drives me mad every time when I'm playing F-4F.
I mean, it outperforms F-4F in almost every aspects except the meme SUU-23/A gun pods + 4x AIM-9Js loadout for sneaking when the MLD was busy or head-on firing.
I used to cry for F-4F ICE, AIM-9L or, at least, AIM-9P5 because of this reason.
(I know, the Luftwaffe never got AIM-9P5 IRL, but neither AIM-9J. So, I don't think it's the real issue for Gaijoob.)
However, as soon as I got MiG-21bis-SAU with the halfway-upgraded modules, I have changed my mind, at least for now.
Yes, it's no longer a meta plane for a while now, but it's still a formidable plane which definitely can tackle on MiG-23MLD in many situations, particularly the high-speed turning and the acceleration at low speed.
Moreover, the current Air RB meta is already a hot mess, so I think F-4F ICE can and should wait for a while or it will ruin the game even more.
The F4F ice would be the best plane.
@Infinity Yeah. F22 even better
i can already see you blowing up on yt... just KEEP UP! dont stop cause you got everything to be a good populer war thunder youtuber, and also... the mld isnt op its just annoying to fight against
Italy don't even have a tier 7 and France is severly lacking with the trash "my rage IIIE" , hope they'll have something compétitive next patch
F4e is pretty trash Also.
@@user-hr1uw4cj2z seeker head would highly disagree with you
@@aureliencostabeber8532 Literally everything that is not Italian or French is Better
@@aureliencostabeber8532 Literally everything that is not Italian or French is Better
@@user-hr1uw4cj2z lmfao no
I made the video! I was the phantom that got absolutely destroyed while out of fuel at 5:15
The MLD is strong, but viggens, the ej kai, and the brit phantoms tend to be stiff counters to it assuming they aren't being idiots.
Honorable mentions to the...E series: F4E, F5E, and J7E2.
Russian radar easier than phantom's (fgr2, fg1)....only Doppler who works great its on Kai
The f4e its a strog couter with that slats and gun
@@DarkLighting115 f4e is largely useless compared to the mld, fgr, viggen, and EJ Kai
@@zacharybaker770 the j7e, f4f and f5a but you dont care and wanna stay happy with the f4e on 10.7 dont you?
With 4 aim7e2 and aim9j, lot of flares, acceleration, turn rate, gun and cas load. Just becaus did not have PD.
@@DarkLighting115 what are you saying? if you're saying that the f4e isn't suffering because other planes are then you misunderstand my point. the f4e has been outclassed in most if not all ways at this point. the only thing it had going for it against Russian planes was the fact that the aim 9 j was less sensitive to flares bet even that is gone. i think every country that does not have an equivalent to the MLD, Viggen, or EJ Kai should get an equivalent before Russia gets another 11.0 plane that is even better than other country's top-tier aircraft.
What was the ambient music at 9:14? Where can I find it?
nice i've been waiting for this one
Me crying in my Mig-21Bis-Sau saying the MLD is op AF because I keep loosing 24/7 even though I'm a DDR aircraft and should be paired with russia
Because it Is.
*chuckles in Mach 2.3 angels 50 Phoenix lofting after burning kitten*
*AT 60 MILES.*
I'm not pro but I am having an average of 4 kills per game with my Mig-23MLD giving me 300 kills and a kill death ratio of 6/1 K/D, 82% winrate. It is so OP.
I can assure you that it is not OP and it is more about the players with a dead brain.
@@DarkLighting115 I fought many good F4E J37 FGR players that are very good but they dont really stand a chance against the Mig-23MLD... I fought against a pro FGR player with 70%wr and 2000kills 7/1 kd ratio and he told me that mig23mld is a plane that requires less or no skill coz it's too OP.
Team balancing. USSR is paired with the other best jets in the game more often than not, leaving u to club the germans and americans, 2 of the weaker ones
@ they say the same when the mig21bis goes on, or the mig21mst.
If it is a completely dogfight obviously the mld will win, but if it is combat at great distance and height the fgr2 has to take a role of interseptor and use the cannons only when fence to be very safe to give it.
In addition to only caring when they suffer, they don't mind eating j35, j7e or mig23m at a distance.
@@SeekerHead actually team balancing is not the case.. I had a lot of win games with my USSR / Germany Pair or just only USSR vs the whole world, also having more Mig-23M and MLD in 1 game will stomp the enemy even more, i remember a match where in the first 6mins,the game already ended, russian team didnt even lost a single plane vs Sweden, USA, british and Japan. Its just the Mig-23MLD was too good. It has the same level of F-14A performance in real life and far far ahead from the JA-37C EJ KAI and FGR to be exact..
Indeed the "Turniest" plane
I don't even listen to these for tips for war thunder I just listen to these videos to head you voice as I fall asleep😍
24t is for sneak attacks. I won't won't use 24r since it's not skyflash and I am not a FGR2 with PD radar
This thing in an extended dogfight is scary. No chance with the F-4E, as it gets outrated. Normally that isn't a problem, but it has happened more times than I would've liked. Those wings are scary. Same goes for the 23M and 27.
Even in the F-5E it can be a hard plane to kill in a dogfight, took me really long to get a clear shot on a crit MiG-23MLD, it was close enough for me to believe I would've lost if I had more fuel as I only had
The US needs the F14 Tomcat to counter the MLD 😈
@@osvaldoromeros.7115 yeah since it was made two year after the tomcat got put in service
Dude the f4e will kill the mld in any dogfight,so will the f5e hell even the j35a can out urn turn it and outmaneuver it
I don't think that the skill will decrease with buffed flares, because if the missile doesn't hit more people take the gun which needs much more skill. And I don't think that flares are too strong because most of the time 3 of 4 R 60 hit just timing matters
As I said in the video, I’ve proved 5 people otherwise in customs where i defeat any missile launched at me with a single flare drop putting in minimal effort. I will gladly show you the same if you’d like. Wanting missiles to be weaker for the sake of gun skill is very counterproductive to the idea of adding jets like the 11.0s with strong missiles, and i’d recommend you just go play non missile thunder BRs. Modern jet combat is (or at least was) a skill that had to be completely learned from scratch, it’s a different kind of skill nowhere else in the game, and resorting back to lower BR gun fighting just doesn’t make sense
@@SeekerHead All missiles get flares out now, but I dont really see how that's any less skillful? Unless you are a jaguar a spamming flares cause you have 250 of em, that just rewards good awareness. It was fine the old way, but I like it this way too. Don't think the dude was saying that they don't get flared out, just that you can still get lots of kills with them by playing smart.
As an aside, its nice that Russia isn't the only one getting shafted by flares now. Used to be r60 were frustrating due to how hard it was to sneak em in when 9js would just ignore your own flares half the time. At least everyone's fox 2's suck somewhat equally now. Unless you are France, cause they don't believe in having more than two dogfight missiles on board apparently and most of the mirage's killing potential was just due to the superiority of magics guaranteeing a few kills despite having a max of three AAM and a kind of suspect fox1 (which feels even worse in comparison now that skyflashes are all over). I know thats why they are 10.7 now, but by god does France need the Mirage f1..... like 2 patches ago.
@@SeekerHead Wow, exactly, finally someone who have brain, im tired of ppl who think flares should be OP as in ace combat (just press X button to be safe with 0 effort from you like good positioning, disabling afterburner etc) but well, this game is maked from idiots for idiots so... Just look at ground RB, how people can enjoy it, those maps are good for max 2 era, and now i fight on 500 meters max with my Leclercs etc, SB ground was good but they broke it too with spawnkilling helis, eh gayjin, facepalm.
Also that intro… SUSSY?!
I'm glad somebody said something lmao
The way I play this is climb to around 7km altitude and position myself to the side of the map. Start launching R13s at targets between 8-9km away and without fail, it's almost always a kill with every missile. R13 seems to completely ignore flares.
The r24 was supposed to be better than the aim7f, currently the r23s are also somewhat nerf since the r23 should have an engine time of 3 sec giving it a good effective range and the r24 of 5sec.
Also the r24 should have a maximum launch load of 7g not 5g.
Another problem with the R versions is the arming time when leaving the rail, in which it should be only half a second on both missiles and should not have a straight flight like the aim7.
The r23/24t has a frontal range of 4.7km Being a maximum SITUATIONAL of 8km in the r23 and 15km in the r24
Pretty sure the R and T have the same ranges? Unless you mean irl. The only limiting factor is getting a lock
@@SeekerHead yeah well front allpect lock range its the same r23/24, The maximum situation is the one that changes because if I remember correctly the r24 Can lock a sr71 at 100km with the change of seeker
Love going against these in my 10.0 aircarft that cant even go mach 1 on dive, has no flares or radar..
i don't care about major nations, they complain when italy and france don't have a 11.0
Try Using the IRST by switching your radar search mode from radar to IR its unaffected by chaff/flare me and a friend have tested this with all aircraft equipped with flares and chaff. A IR lock is death to all unless you magically overG the missle.
I do use the IRST and what you say simply isn't factual. It is subject to flares and other heat sources such as missiles and other jets engines. Additionally, IRST only LOCKs the plane, it has 0 to do with the tracking of the missile, rather simply tells the seaker where to look. Once it's off the rail, the missile is independent of IRST.
How do you use IRST?
is not the mld being good is the other team most of the time half full of f5c/mig 21spsk/mig 21mf and some f8e or so and none of those are gona hold a candel to the mig 23mld or mig 23m
on top of that when a new plane gets realest all the vets and good players grind it and play it a lot so overall is a 1/2 ratio of 11.0 on a team
all of this makes planes like the l35d/f4f very painful because having just 4 fox 2 makes the planes useless and the j35d cant doge r 60m if you go faster that 900km/h in a head on because compression
that is my experiences at least
Entirely factual and will be a main point in a near video.
Right now I've noticed a weird bug with the MLD where I use my R-24R, get a lock, fire the missile, the enemy chaffs it (or flares idk I can't see chaff) but the radar lock stays on target while the missile gets chaffed
For my F-4J and F-4E it’s different if my lock gets chaffed in my f4e ill still get the kill 8-10 times,if its the f4-j with PD the radar gets chaffed but i can lock it right back on the target allowing the missile to get right back on target
@@lamborgatti-4783 i also get that "radar lockn't but missile tracks"
i use a keybind for acm and regular radar locks, the regular radar lock is a lot better for taking long shots like at the start of a match, while i only use the acm lock if the regular one isnt working and i need a lock asap. the acm has a lock range of 9km so its easy to use as a failsafe
F-14 man says enjoy it while you can hehehehehehehehe.......
A new phantom will most definitely be before then
I only play us and I find going against that thing in my f4e, f5c, f5e, f8e completely impossible and un enjoyable because it is so spammed out and busted compared the what I have. When I die it’s to an mld 9 times out of 10 and my 10.3s face it every single time. I am bankrupt now, please help.
Well part of the reason you die to MLDs so often is because it seems like 70% of all teams with Russia on them are MLD right now.
Good to see a measured take on the MiG-23MLD. Been playing for near 9 years as well, and the community goes through this Russian Bias nonsense every time a comparable top tier is given to the USSR. Realistically it's just the communities confirmation bias mixed in with a large percentage of inexperienced players talking the loudest. I am a USA main at heart, but I have every tree completely unlocked. The MiG-23MLD is no different to the Viggen on launch, or the EJ kai, or the F4E long ago. I think everyone misses that each nation has its seat at being the top tier "best," and its not favoritism, its the limitations of each generation of fighter and what can be added into the game. The German (yes, germany was the indisputable top dog at air for a long time!) CL-13 absolutely rocked everything for a quite the span of time, as it was the defacto best example you could add for the meta all those years ago (straight line speed, retention, roll and guns on), with IR missiles being a good ways off from being implemented. IR Missiles were added and boom it was surpassed by the Afterburning F-100D and MiG-19PT. There is no Bias, they are just adding planes to the roster and sometimes jumps need to occur to open up more possibilities and to balance whats in the game; the (arguable fgr2) Viggen/EJ Kai were some of the first and this is just a continuation of the process; the MLD just happened to be the flavor of the patch.
If you disagree; get over yourself. Go play other nations, as the grass is always greener until you take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
Unfortunately German will probably not be top dog for a while now with how we get a mix of US/Rus aircraft. As seen with the German Bis we'll most likely just get each nations jets well after the original nation received them, probably when those nations recieve their more powerful ones
problem is that now, the f4e's radar is much worse than the mld's as well. it loses lock with the first chaff drop, very much unlike the mld, or anything with pd radar. so it loses in bvr most likely, and if it makes it to close range it will get absolutely anihilated in a dogfight. so it really has nothing going for it other than weapon quantity, which will very likely not be useful in until very much later in the fight
Definitely the top dog and a good example of 11.0 not being enough
imho as sad F-104J pilot it's just a meta thing and you would have to wait for weeks or months to actually see how planes perform. The MLD is surely very powerful but at the moment just every chad is flying and grinding it. The amount of games where one team (either mine or the enemy, when the Mig-23s were on my side) is dead before I even start turning in with my F-104 is just ridiculous. Was the same when the Mig-21 PFM came out and I was flying the F-4E, the soviet teams were just dead in seconds. By the time I get to the Mig-23, the Meta will have changed again for sure :D
That shot at 6:31 was wild.
2:50 bro had me searching through all of my discord cuz of that ping smh
I dont wanna say its too good. But I think the only problem is is that russia is the only country with all aspect missiles. If more countries get these they will probably be less good again.
Is there a way to defend against pulse Doppler missiles? Whenever I chaff they just ignore it and hit me anyway.
PD radar i believe you mean. And all you have to do is fly 90 degrees in relation to it, it’ll lose lock. If it doesn’t, they didn’t fire in PD mode
@@SeekerHead ok, thank you.
But if you shot r24 and do this you will lose the missile, because mld mla is 60°degree bisector or 30°degree while phantoms with much larger range weapon have 120°degree bisector or 60° from right and left side, that mean mig23 cannot do a good crank and stand against phantoms doing this
"They have r24 " with shorter minimal range
Mig-21bis already has ACM in russian tech tree
Nope, it's just a single beam of radiation that stays in a fixed position off the nose. True ACM scans. MLD is the only one to have it so far for USSR
@@SeekerHead the mig19 have acm as Is know
@@SeekerHead I thought ACM was just green rectangle mode
@@aderror6035 In war thunder that’s kind of the case, but on mig 21s you see that rectangle even when locking a target on normal radar mode. It’s just gaijins arcade like modeling of complicated things.
F14A SHOULD BE ADDED NOW THAT WE HAVE THE MIG23MLD
The f14 is quite meh.
A climb rate quite mediocre of only 152.2 m/s when we compare to the 200m/s of the Viggen, the 220m/s of the mig 23 mld, the the210m/s of the British F4´s, the 172m/s of the F4 kai, and the 190m/s of the f4E
It would be the biggest fighter jet so is target easy for gunfire. The aim54 is a missile with many pros and cons yeas a missile of around 150km of range, but the maps are of around 30km and engage are around less than 20km, also the main reason why in the gulf war f14 carried a 4 4 0( 4 aim9L or M,4 aim7M and 0 aim54) combination was that engages would be short to medium ranges, ranges of air RB. For air, RB would be a quite good plane but not that would be a huge ganger for enemies, but for air SIM it would be a very good plane. Also if we talk about weapons if they put to the f14 the aim9L and aim7F or M they would also put to the F4E the aim7F and the aim9L, to the Russians the R27 and the R73 and so on. I say to you this because I see that to the f14 would happen the same thing that happened with the mig 23 M, people were thinking of the mig23MLD more than the M, so with the f14 would happen the same
@@ser43_OLDC Why it should be added then lol.
@@ser43_OLDC not exactly the f14 was a good rate fighter n aim9L wont come anytime soon it has a range of 35km (wiki) and r73 is equal to aim9x and f4e did not carry aim9l nor aim7f it was f4s which carried aim9l /aim7f but it did not have the vulcan the f14 would be broken op in sim but aim54a is not that good it pulls like 15-18Gs but has huge range it will be op if the enemy is landing or taking off aim7f in itself has 70km range 2x more than the aim7e2 and like 30-40G limit (not sure if its aim7f or m ) they may just add f14a with 4 aim9h/L n4 aim7e4 or aim7f or just 9j n e2 with pd radar
@@ser43_OLDC Flight performance wise, the F14a is quite weak indeed. But you are heavily underestimating how many leaps and bounds its weapons and systems are ahead of everything else we have. The AIM7M combined with its radar would be a free kills, quite unstoppable against the current jet pool of 11.0. AIM9Ms would be frustratingly flare resistant, moreso than anything we've every seen before, and have R60 like tracking off the rail at magic speeds. And no, gaijin would not give these weapons to anybody else. As you said, look at the migs. The MLD has R24s and the M doesnt, this doesnt have to be the case, but it is. Also, 21bis, and all mig23s carried R60Ms irl, but again not the case in War Thunder. F14 can wait a while longer.
No... 16:52
Hehe I heard the discord notification and kept thinking I was getting messaged but wasn’t seeing them.
My F4E has something to say about that dog fight lmao. aim9js USED to be immune to flares before missiles update, but yeah they use to go right through flares ( no not track flares like a trail, They flew right past and through flares or straight up ignored flares.) But now pft, Flares are just get out of jail free card with missiles kinda lame. Cause realistically it takes fuck tons of skill to just get away from. 30g missle.
I don't know what you are talking about rarely getting one burst kills. I admit, it fails more often than other cannons, but it still kills in one burst 80% of the time.
MIG23 MLD is the best fighter -- until F4J locks 27km away
It doesn't have PD radar as the thumbnail sugests. MTI is a different thing. It works only near ground level, any higher than about 1,5 km and it's off. Also IFF doesn't work with MTI on thus it"s possible to kill friendlies since R24s tarck even after loosing lock if the target is still iluminated by your radar. Still one of the best jets in game currently.
I go over this if you just watch the video 🤔
@@SeekerHead true, it was actually really well done. Thumbnail still wrong though.
What's the difference between MLD and German MLA
R-24T enjoyers stand up!
We should have stopped at the time of the Korean War, because missiles were getting better and better, and technology was becoming less and less necessary, and it was just a game of clicks.
im exited for teh f14 i grinded the naval tree just for that
I don't even know if we are getting the f14
@@nationplayswt7536 its been confirmed early to mid 2022
@@nationplayswt7536 by gaijan and its in the game files
@@micahming9750 doubt it gajin hates 🇺🇸
@@nationplayswt7536 It will come, the money the plane will generate ensures that.
Why do I never see RUclipsrs use their pulse Doppler Modes?
MLD only has MTI, and it’s only usable under about 2500m altitude.
i think the mld is fine. not that it isnt good, but i just find it boring af. like i got it on day 1 and spaded it and it is just boring. r24t is 2 guaranteed kills and then you get 4 r60s and a really shit gun. of course its a good missile loadout with the r24s but fundamentally the gameplay is a lot more boring than with the viggen because you're bread and butter (4 r60s + gsh-23l) is so much worse than that of the viggen (4 aim 9js + really cool 30mm akan). also the viggen can do some more interesting stuff in dogfights rather than the mig 23mld which relies on pure thrust and energy trapping or rate fighting even though it can pull some AoA. basically what it comes down to is if i want to play some top tier i can choose mig 23mld for guaranteed win and boring af match or viggen where i might get something cool like a clutch ace or whatever. so i tend not to play the mld because it is boring right now.
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my man saying all missiles are one click defeat zzz
man's never faced magics then cuz these tend to just go back at your engine even without AB
10:30?
@@SeekerHead ye
i play my couple missile thunders games a week, and around half the time magics do tend to slot back in on the engine especially if you slightly misjudge the angle of which to head to after flaring
tho that doesnt mean i die to them often they are just the most tedious to dodge because of their strong flare resistance or rather locking onto flares for 1-2 secs and then back to the engine
MLD raw flight performance is the best, its acceleration beats out all its contenders like the viggen and phantoms..
MLD missiles is much better than their western counterparts right now the only time IR works is from long range and weird angles as you said and western SideWinders are not alla aspect meaning you know they will always come from behind.
Radar-guided missiles like sky flash are worthless pretty much since the radar in the game does not work i have less than 20% hit ratio with them on my viggen.
This is why the migs are op.
Cope!
@@SeekerHead or just quit, Since the snail never lets anyone but Russia be op for long periods and top tier is and has been all the the time a huge unbalanced mess.
Its like when the viggen was introduced it was good and it took them like 2 weeks to nerf its acceleration and missiles making it pretty meh...
In bvr combat the phantoms have all the cards, just see the missile stats lets take the third better bvr missile in game, the skyflash, the skyflash can reach 30km, 5 secs of burn that leave a missile reaching mach 4, exelent glide, 25g, more ligher (193kg), time guidence of 40 Sec, while r24 is 25km in pratical range, 5 secs of burn that make the missile reach mach 3.5, 24g, with aproximate mass of 250kg, with 45 sec of guidence, we can see the skyflash is sigthly better missile, i hit targets shooting from 28/27km doing crank, the only advantage of r24 is the time guidence of 5sec whose is teorical seens will lose a lot of speed
does somepne know what is the point of big missiles like the r24 having a heatseeking variant? why not just use more r60? heatseeking doesnt give bvr locks and that huge missile seems like an overkill for wvr heatseeking missile dogfight range. like what is the historical use of such big heavy missiles being IR guided
Use IRST. It’ll let you lock at greater ranges
@@SeekerHead radar is still much more potent. im talking irl
@@cherryperoxide In that case, in real life you can get IRST locks from greater range, even upwards of 20-30km with the more modern systems, and the target won’t be warned you’re firing on them, unlike with a radar lock.
@@SeekerHead but that only works with a stealth plane irl 😭 like ok they wont get the launch noti but if u got a fighter nose hot at 30km u better be defensive anyway
Its soviet, of course its going to be the best jet in the game. If it was on any other nation, it would be 3 BRs higher
This aged like milk in the sun
I agree with your assesment of the MLD all in all. But i will say, that it does not fit at 11.0! I have spaded the german F-4F and it is even inferior to the F-4E of the US. I would advocate to first add the I.C.E upgraded Phantoms to the german tree (and some hight tier attackers!).
In my Opinion the MLD must increase in BR if the F-4F and F-4E stay at 11.0, where they belong. You could put the F-4F at 10.7 but I dont want to compress even more. After all, playing the BRs between 9.3 and 10.0 is already rough enough.
The MLD has an 82 percent win rate
That is insane, and so they decided to introduce a squadron jet to nerf the win rate :D
wait till they put F-14 at 11.0
well i remember the website of gaijin says that the FGR can go mach 1.22 on the deck and the Viggen at 1.2 soo they are faster. im also sure that the F-104S can go faster.
It’s dependent on the map. Different mach speeds will be achieved on different maps, despite being at the same altitude/circumstances. The MLD will outrun everything on the deck. Sure, some aircraft have higher rip speeds in the deck than the MLD, but they can’t get to those speeds in a straight line. If those planes are doing those mach speeds on that map, then the MLD would probably be doing 1.23 on the deck of that map.
@@SeekerHead viggen can get to mach 1.24+ on mist maps, ive ran down many mlds in rb and sim
cute camo i like the green
Thoughts on the F-100D?
us with the f14 is one of the best ingame and he says not even best of the 3 bvest airplanes
What?? Long range fox2? Bros on drugs lmao
The MLD is a very good jet. but very far from being OP, its biggest strenght, the missiles, can be easily countered with countermeasures; also we have to remember that it has the new plane syndrome, which all the good players are playing that new nation at the moment; it was the same with the Viggen, and if you look at it now, you dont see many Viggens flying around.
To sum up: is the MLD good? YES
Is it op? A BIG NO
I've been stock grinding the FG.1, and i tell you with these things and rubbish teams, it's not fun
Can be flexible figther, but the phantoms with e2 skyflash and aim7e is better than r24 in range just look the cards cards, the phantoms radar have pd shift signal which means doppler conection of lock is strong in front head on coming than mti of mig23 mld mla is weak which means other is harder to break the lock on than mti, and to worse if phantoms do the crank manoever the migs whose migs bad radar angle, (120°x10° vs 60°x10 of mig). Was a time i detect the mig at 30km in higher altitude i shot 27km and other at 18km, and him start to lock and shot me, when i came 5.5km i thought i need fire the 3 skyflash but not, both hit the mld or mla making critical and second killing i was wasten a 3 shot for nothing
O mean aim7f no e
MLD does not have pulse doppler
rewatch that part, never said it did
@@SeekerHead I meant the thumbnail. In addition, MTI works differently than pulse doppler.
Where as MIT cannot see targets if the closure rate of the radar and the target is small (ie. in a tail chase where both planes are going the same speed), Pulse Doppler cannot see targets if the closure rate of the terrain and target is small (ie. they are flying perpendicular to the radar)
@@orbitalpotato9940 I’m aware, and why i said think of MTI as “watered down PD” in the video. It’s in the thumbnail as PD because it’s essentially trying to perform the same function, and a lot more people know what PD is.
I see u ask how that guy has that plane he probably did what I did I skipped most bottom br for the us german russia and Italy u just need $$$ u spade a few Vehicles and that gives u a bunch of points to reasurch anything u want with golden eagles. It just cost a crap ton of money I got top of russia and never played anything below 6.7. I wanted 1,000s of dollars probably on war thunder and haven't played it since the first Merkava tank came out
He’s level 100 with less than 10 days of total play time. Not possible.
@@SeekerHead it is possible u just need money
I've done it
You can’t even have enough Free RP to be able to convert with GE with his play time. Even if he did, it would be about a $600 trip to too tier
@@SeekerHead when u spade a vehicle out u get a bunch of free convertible rp I'm just saying I'd go from Tear one to top tear with out playing a single tank. It definitely is a waste of money.
This thing should be 12.0 or even 13.0, i was trying to spade my f8e for 10.3 clan battles other day, and this thing just ruined my day. 0 skill needed.
74% WR in the MLD lmao
Check my viggen. The bis was 80% when it released for me too, still never called it op. There’s a lot that goes into what side wins than just the newest plane of the update.
MLD is OP
8:10 And It wont get better, the MIG 29 only has 150 rounds on 30mm, mind its a 30mm but only 150 rounds is a joke compared to the spray you can do in a Vulcan, later variants of the 29 only have 100 rounds lmao. hell the 25 doesn't even have a gun
It has more muzzle velocity and will do significantly more damage than the 23s. It will be a formidable cannon
@@SeekerHead I agree. But still, I prefer having 750 rounds in general lmao
Yeah...not big amount of ammo but its 30mm and really good cannon velocity around 900m/s....American vulcan in my hands many times just crit opponents and thats all
Only 150 rounds but a much lower fire rate, so the trigger time wont be toooooo bad. Still not as good as a vulcan, but good enough to get the job done.
@@TomTom-rs2zz Agree in my experience vulcan never 1 shots, you can only spray to kill the Enemy.
I'll stick to my FG1 without gun.
How are you managing to get kills without a gun? In my experience with the fgr missiles always get neutralised by chaff or flares. I'm sure I have more kills with the vulcan than the skyflash or aim9.
@@stoyantodorov2133 high 5-7km and fast never subsonic, no dogfighting, 3 to 4 passes per match. Easy 3.5 kd. I was 0.8 kd before this tactic. Haven't played about 9 months tho.
stat shaming within the 1st minute of the video
currently spading and its a massive B
amongus sfx, instant dislike, cringe, reported for hate speech, and getting cancelled on twitter
My roll rate is great …..
I feel like people forget the Viggen exist, the viggen can get to 1538 on the deck ... just so you know
Viggen can have a higher speed on the deck without ripping, but is only achievable through a dive. In a straight line, relying solely on acceleration, the MLD tops out at .02 mach more than the Viggen. The viggen stabilizes its mach speed on the deck, the MLD will continue to accelerate, but rips if you go faster than that .02 extra over viggen.
I love Russian bias
smash?
Honestly who cares about the gun when u have a 30g missle
*laughs in flare*
@@SeekerHead I mean no one would expect you to lunch a missle this close and when you are that close it usually means he is in a dog fight with ur team and prob is not paying interest to u so he won’t even see it
Unpopular opinion I think R60s need a buff they don't turn as hard as the should for being so sensitive to everything.
The age difference from the MLD to the f-16 is less than the age difference between the MLD and F-14
Age difference is irrelevant to this game quite clearly, it’s a matter of balance, not history
What idiot invented such battles that mostly F-14s spam rockets from a distance of 50km?
TURNIEST ??? Smile in F4E beating up MiG-23 M and MLD all day long, while stock,...
skill issue. MLD is objectively better dogfighter
@@SeekerHead as said to some people blaming their F-86F40 JASDF fighting Mig21MF/SMT // J35A and others F8U's:
All combat depends on a lot of parameters, some depending of the pilot, some depending to weather or altitude (Last can be choosed too by one of the pilots : mostly the one in defence)
As all of this explainned, F4E or MiG-23 dogfight abilities are very similar to each others,... so i don't see a lot of differences in turns.
Then, calling only a skill issue is obviously wrong. 😀
Not op at all Kappa