Reading Dumb Comments About The F-14... | War Thunder
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
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If you want my summary of the F-14, it's in the description of my last video.
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Obviously the F-14 is the best in War Thunder (better than the F-35 in irl). You can clearly see this in the documentary Top Gun (1986) where two pilots, Goose and Maverick, shoot down one of the best MiG-28's the Soviets had to offer. /s
You forget that this is not only a documentary but the best gay drama of all time. Seriously, I think the Snails just decided to sneaky celebrate Pride month by introducing F-14 into the game. The whole month US-main will be circle-jurking because all battles will be US vs US.
@@Scorchluck Gaijin is about to drop a semi-naked Tom cruise look-alike decal, being the first male pin-up in-game.
What is /s
@@hemlocksalazar7791 i think it’s a tone indicator, it means « serious »
@@vic_r023 /s
I killed two planes with a single Red Top while flying the Sea Vixen.
It should clearly get buffed and go down to 4.7. 😎
Yes, obviously
I once got a sea vixen player to kill two of his friendlies when they were ganging up on me
my friend killed 2 b29s with sk60b missile, obviously it should be at 2.0
it’s gonna struggle to kill things at 4.7 💀
You know... the red tops probably couldn't really track the props for the most part... so it might actually not get so many kills at 4.7, but it'd be basically untouchable.
honestly the tomcat at 11.3 isnt gonna be what breaks air rb, air rb is already broken beyond belief (not to mention gaijin doesnt even know what game mode they want it to be so its a shitty mix of attack the objective but with tdm but with a timer but AI bots can win the game on their own)
id be more hyped for an update with some new game modes over the f14
the funny thing is going to be hordes of f14s going up against each other on the same exact furball maps where the missiles have a longer range than the map edge to edge
@@Dragonfyre. yeah but the Phoenix is really shit.
@@christerjackson9589 not if you ripple
@@aresgodofwar0422 Missile is shit, if you fire several of them it does not change the fact that they are shit.
@@christerjackson9589 massive lock range and if you ripple they can hit from miles away without putting yourself in danger. if they were hyper accurate it would be op but they are decent as they are. not shit at all just get better.
I doubt the F-14 is going to break top tier due to the competency of the pilots flying it
Yeah American pilots are incompetent and have to have thousands of bullets to spray and pray
players with over 3.3k hours will be having you say otherwise
@@McPedro96 I can promise you the f-14’s and going to play similar to the A-10’s, most are bad but 1% of them are actually good
thats a lie im shit at top tier jets and i get kills in it
@@ramonlujan2377 getting kills and consistently destroying the enemy team are two different things
I remember a guy telling me that the F-14 should be OP in the game because it had no equal irl. I suppose we might as well move down the Tiger II and Me-262 to 5.7 since they also didn't have one at the time, I mean why make your game fun or balanced when you can be "realistic"
The Tiger 2 and ME-262 did have an equal irl, there's a reason that tank and that plane got clapped.
The F-14 had counters, unfortunately for war thunder players those counters are either not in the game yet, or people are too idiotic to realize that doctrine and tactics matter. Terms like one circle, two circle, and rate fight just don't exist for war thunder players.
@@michaelsoland3293 The 262 didn't have an equal until the Meteor, not having an equal doesn't mean they can't be killed, it means that if the pilot is at the top of their game they won't lose, which is what happened. Same goes for the Tiger. Losing tanks mainly to fuel shortage or jets to getting strafed on landing doesn't mean they had equals, since the faults weren't of the vehicles themselves but outside factors, factors which aren't a thing in game for the most part.
And while it's true that with actual knowledge of dogfighting or even just proper knowledge on how to use their radar and weapons could hold their own against the F-14, the truth is that the tomcat has the current best combination of weapon amount and quality, radar and flight performance.
And while some nations like Sweden, Japan or Russia (and Germany to an extent) won't lag too far behind, the rest are just gonna have a bad time.
No matter if the Tiger II and Me-262 had counters in real life (I think they did.) they sure have them in the game right now.
But I get why people get worried about the F-14. It is more modern, and other nations do not have anything that can really measure up. Now, that it not to say they won't get something very quickly. Right loadout on some older planes can level the playing field. I know there have been talk about buffing the radar of the Viggan for example. And there are a host of historical planes that could measure up to the F-14. And is not actually the case that some of there planes are much older even. So a updated version of some of those older planes can really be a danger. There is a reason why a lot of planes comes in version with wildly different BR ratings.
@@therealmp40 The P-80 and Meteor were both flying the same time the 262 was. The difference is only that the Germans were desperate enough to use them in combat.
sure thing, lets make the jumo engines fail realistically, the tiger transmissions break realistically too
I mean, war thunders main selling point is true most extensive vehicle combat simulator
Technically the Viggens should have an aimbot type system that automatically controls the plane to get a gun kill on a target but gaijin opted not to put that into the game for obvious reasons, same reason why the t-2 had its lead indicator taken away (and gaijin said no other plane will get a lead indicator when they removed it). People who say the f-14 should have something like that are stupid, as many of the planes already in the game have that capability irl and it is intentionally left out for the benefit of the game
It's stupid though. Gunfighting a modern fighter without a CCIP reticle would feel stupid. They should absolutely implement it. The skill of war thunder isn't really about putting your mouse on the right pixel. The game is about knowing what's around you and setting up advantage for yourself.
@@appa609 If both you and your opponent are good players, then usually it will come down to guns (in war thunder). The problem is no matter where you decide that planes can have it, they will always be facing planes that don't have it, and those planes don't have a chance in that scenario. The Japanese T-2 was added into the game with the mig-19 and f-100 as its counterparts, but only the T-2 had a lead indicator, and (in combination with being the only plane in game with a vulcan) the thing was so broken that was when they first enabled countries being able to face the same country in Air RB. Previous to this every battle was Allies vs Axis, but they didn't just make it an option for the match maker, they had to make it so that for the duration of the update it was ONLY allies vs allies and axis vs axis, so that the T-2 was balanced by at least having to face other T-2s on the enemy team. It was after that fiasco that they removed the lead indicator along with a statement that planes that have lead indicators are just not in line with the game.
Even when T-2s were quarantined to face each other, it was still hell on the f-100s and lower br planes that faced them, you'd just be flying along in some clouds trying to grind out your f-100 in your sabre, with no RWR and out of nowhere you were dead, because the t-2 can just get a radar lock on you and have perfect lead even without being able to see you through the clouds. At the end of the day, if you want a lead indicator, go play arcade. Perfect realism isn't what war thunder is about, and letting some planes play air arcade while everyone else has to play air RB just isn't good for the game in the slightest
But we don’t even get tracers….
@@LeLe-pl8jq that one is on gaijin, they removed its tracers cause it never had any historically (outside of practice rounds), but they really should give it some since it would help people learn to aim its guns a lot without its aim assist
@@Refrodnalf The solution is to just move t2 up in br.
lots of planes currently in game have various lead indicators in a continuum of advancement. The F14 is honestly just not balanced in the game and they need to add sukhois and raise all of it to 12.0
"Very toxic, very negative, and maybe a little bit entertaining." That just sums up War Thunder entirely lol
My issue is this.
Almost any other Gen 4 Fighter would stomp THIS F-14A we are getting this patch. So it's hard for me to agree with oh just throw in X,Y, &/or Z fighter to balance. I think adding more advanced missile options/tech would help (adding TWS to those that had it, maybe a few AIM-9L options ect). Maybe to give AIM-54 equivalent they add the MiG-25 (I know, I know it's a joke in any other field but speed and BVR). These might cut the gap down some until we get other options. I had a feeling this was gonna happen though, but it shows how scary things will get that this is considered a weak gen 4 fighter even by the 1980s standards!
And honesly the F-14B is more an equal to the MiG-29/Su-27 than this current F-14A.
This is a good point, the F-14A is the earliest gen 4, it doesn’t have over 1:1 power to weight, nor does it have fly by wire.
The only way to “balance” it is to artificially nerf the flight model itself, until you’ve added a bunch of other gen 4’s but then you’ll need to nerf those on addition, it’s non sensical
Than theirs The tornado that worse than the tomcat
@@Yamaha_Kid what? What do you mean there
God thank you that's what I've been saying. People think it's gonna be so insane but it's not the really good version it's the ok version.
David he said that most 4 gens “Stomps” - (yes and no better would have been a better word) - this f-14
Hint Why I said tornado f3 which is probably the worse 4 gen fighter (well the F2 worse than the F3 tornado )
And they were well bombers turned interceptors they’re good at bvr tho
I love how people would rather say their plane is the best thing ever than saying their plane is bad and they're just good pilots
I think it’s just bad opponents
im not a great pilot and the planes i use are also not great but even i managed to take out a F-14 in a uptier using something called teamwork.
Now we add the euro fighter to the UK, French, and Italian trees.
When everyone is op, no one will be
you are pushing it too far, Eurofighter is like end-game for some nations, and others would have only the F35 afterwards
@@kingofchris YES, even further
@@leeleavelle716 XD 6th gen
@@kingofchris NO, EVEN FURTHER. BRING ME HYPERSONIC SPACE PLANES. BRING ME AUTONOMOUS DRONES.
@@leeleavelle716 Intergalactic Cannon
It won't, plain and simple, it's not the fastest plane, it doesn't have the most flares, it's arguable about it having the best SARH missile, definitely doesn't have the best IR missile. The only thing the Tomcat is doing is outperforming everything in a 1v1. But Top Tier isn't 1v1s it's a cluster ball. It will be the best, but not to the extent you're describing.
Yeah, this is a 4th gen plane, its better than everything we have now. When mous came out it was the best and super over powerd, but when higher tiers came, it started to get bad, same thing is going to happend here with the tomcat. A tiger is much better than a t 34 76, and the tiger is a higher BR than it, but it sucks against t44s. We just have to wait til we get other gen 4 planes.
That's the ptoblem, why should we wait and suffer with this OP plane that'll be annoying tk play against. It's just top tier being ruined again
@@wyattborden1377 we will make it Tomcat vs Tomcat then.
What's a mous
@@adenmitchell7633 Ayo, shhhttt, uuuuppp. Plz.
The tomcat is not going to be op at all. In fact, it will probably be worse in game then the MiG-23 MLD, MiG-21 Bis, J-7E, Mirage F1, Ect. The F-14A Early gets only 18g IR missiles and shitty radar missiles that can’t be used properly due to the size of the map. It’s not a dog fighter, it can’t turn for shit; The reason I think people are complaining about it is people want the Mig-29, which without the F-15 or F-16 will absolutely dominate. My advice is to give these trolls the stats so the US can get something to counter the Op Russian vehicles in game rn.
war thunder is ready for the f14, and other 4th gen fighters, HOWEVER, the decision to introduce it with literally ZERO competition where it could potentially face jets that are over a decade older than it and worse in every single way is just the stupidest thing ever. wtf gaijin
I play both DCS and WT and the tomcat is always the plane that, is technically worse but better in ways to its newer brothers. It has many quirks in DCS and pilots that can overcome or abuse quirks and learn the most about the cat can do very well against newer jets. The missile even in DCS is a bit of an anomaly, there's nothing that really competes with it for range so we just try our best to notch it. I think the takeaway here is that the tomcat needs a competitor (both at 11.7 at least) and I agree with you that warthunder is more game than sim. All that being said I think the F-16A with some sparrows and aim-9s in the F-5E line would have probably been less jarring to the community.
F5 is the F18 line.
F14 was the first 4th gen so it's added first.
Then the F15.
Then the F16.
@@saltysteel3996 the hornet is a navy fighter/attacker it would be in the naval fighter line or the naval attacker line. The F-5, while contributing much to the development of the leading edge extensions on the hornet, was built to be a lightweight, exportable, mass producable, cheap to operate fighter jet. You'd argue that philosophy is exactly the same as the F-16 just a leap in technology, which is why I think it would be a great successor to the F-5E. The Airforce used those two anyways, not the hornet.
i dont even think american airforce f16As ever carried sparrows, air national guard did but the airforce f16As waited until the amraam came in to get their BVR capabilities
@@shinobu2394 yeah it was pretty rare, I think the Iraqis had some F-16s with sparrows IIRC
5x F22s, Viggen pilot "that aint nothing"
I'm glad you talk about the J-7E. That thing is incredibly strong since it can out rate and out fight everything right now. It has cracked flight performance, 4 cracked missiles etc. As a MLD main even I know it's not the best jet, a good Viggen pilot can beat you, a good F-5E pilot can beat you, hell even a good F-4E / F-4F pilot can beat you. As for the J-7E you're doomed if you fight one on your own.
The biggest problem isn't even the current top planes(MLD,MLA,Viggen,Ej Kai,J-8, J-7) that won't be able compete with the F-14 imo, but the planes that already can't compete with the MLD, that will struggle even more like the F-104, F-4F, Mig-21MF, Mirage 3, F1, Draken etc. They will be useless in an uptier, you might as well just leave the battle and save your SL.
Nah I dunno what you mean my Chinese 104 with no countermeasures will eat the 14 for breakfast /s
Those planes still have deadly missiles. They won't win a 1V1, but they 100% can kill a tomcat if he's busy with someone else.
Mirage 3 and draken don't count because they're much lower BR, and we can apply this excuse not just to the tomcat, but to any plane 1.0BR lower.
@@swisstraeng thr draken sees constant uptiers
"west taiwan techtree" based.
"Auto gun fighter" ?.... why I feel like bro talking about the Mod from AC7 that makes your jet shoots automatically when someone is within sight 😭
“I don’t give a shit about what the F14 had in real life” -commenting on a game where community influences changes for vehicles based on real life schematics. So much to the point people have leaked classified documents. Oh, and the F4 had radar lead indicators. The F14 had them. A lot of planes have had them for 60+ years.
Radar gunsights already kinda exist
@@V-V1875-h The problem is that most planes that should have them in wt, don't
like, the f14
@@HaartieeTRUE what I meant with kinda is the boresight radar gun sight you see in 1st gen jets like the F86 and F84.
Only in cockpit, not the ones like the old T2s radar lead indicator
People were acting incredibly stupid and over reacting when they heard the F-14 was going to release with phoenixes. I am not saying it’s not over powered which it is it’s just that the aim 54 Phoenix is not the reason it is OP right now because everyone’s going to say
“the Phoenix is going to break the game”!
When in actuality it’s not it’s pretty well balanced it’s way slower than the aim7F the only thing that makes it only a little better in a way?… is that you can track multiple targets at the same time.
correct me if I’m wrong pls…🤗
I feel like your missing the balance point of war thunder a bit, War Thunder has three modes
1.Sim which should be uncompromisingly a sim
2. AIR RB which I’ve seen best described as realistic fiction.
3. AIR AB fly ufos and shoot crazy trick shots doing cobra’s
The flight models typically flow down from 1 to 3 in terms of realism and rooting in actual fact.
Balancing is intended to be done by BR range not by actual stat card or flight model changes to the aircraft.
I’m not saying it’s going to be balanced, it’s not. But don’t advocate for stat card changes to flight models or intense load out nerfs. The games just going to be broken for a bit till other gen 4’s come, that’s just how war thunder ebbs and flows
Then explain why the mld in game didn't come out and still doesn't have r60ms and r27s.
@@x_Degurechaff_x Tomcat is coming in the early A models without Aim-9L and without IRST
@@x_Degurechaff_x Im pretty sure he means nerfed loadouts in the sense that you have all the weapons but they're nerfed because they're too good, not, not having those weapons at all like the F-4 with their sparrows at first not having them whatsoever. I thought that was pretty clear but I need to remember I'm talking to WT players here.
@@evangalinsky2499 yeah I’d much rather have an F-14A with Aim-9H to slow power creep for balance purposes than adding a nerfed 9L.
I'm honestly more disappointed at that shot you had on the EJ kai that you somehow missed.
Yea I agree with all of this man . I have over 1100 kills in the J7 and on the dev server , without minimum fuel , it's hard to keep up with an F14 . Yes you can eventually out dogfight it as time goes on but its definitely harder than any other plane in the game so far . Remember , during Pakistani trials of the F7 , it was used as an aggressor against the F16s and it showed to have similar performance or up to par performance . I'm glad you brought up that gun sight on the dev server cuz I noticed right away when using it . You're right it gives the PL-5Bs an extra edge . I'm able to lock onto targets in a more frontal lock instead of a side lock . It's not as best as an all aspect seeker but it works fine with what it is .
I think the J7 will still be meta when the F14 comes out but as far as I know , every other plane falls short , to massively behind the F14 .
No chance for the Tomcat against my Swordfish
1:07 I would not describe war thunder as a sim I consider it a halfway point between a simulator and an arcade flight game
Yes, specially air RB, sim is a bit more realistic but thats it.
Air RB is just a complex arcade game
So fun fact, the Viggen in War Thunder produces 11,370 kgf thrust with afterburner, when it is supposed to produce 12,750 kgf. That's a 12% increase in thrust, not too shabby.
Throw in tracers for your guns, add TWS mode to the radar, add the radar-assisted gun aim feature that it had in the dev server, and add AIM-9Ls... you still get your shit kicked in by the Tomcat but it doesn't hurt as badly.
Similar treatment should be given to the rest of top tier jets, like your example with R-60Ms to the ML MiGs.
12750kgf is without channel losses(engine outside of aircraft) but there are other things like it should be lighter, it should have chaff pods with 320 chaff and ir should have radar gun lead
@@einar8019 Are you suggesting that channel losses should account for the loss of almost 1,400 kgf?
I have suffered at the hands of countless MLD's, months of torture, seemingly endless. Now the F14 is here, and it crushes MLD's, leaving them no chance at the slightest glimmer of hope... and it makes me smile, just a little. It gives them a taste of what they put me through. The F14 being broken makes me happy, even if it needs to be fixed. for now, I watch MLD's burn to the ground... with a little smile, knowing that they are suffering, as I did.
Fuck it. Russian and American players couldn’t behave. We’re going back to the time Japan dominated with the T-2 by putting in the F-15J
"no where near as bad a situation when the mld was added" meanwhile when the mld was added the russians got a 70%win rate
Instead of arguing the F-14 shouldn't be added yet. We should argue every nation should get a balanced top tier added in every time they wanna give us new toys. On a side note, I feel like war thunder RB is what happens when an arcade game and a simulator have a baby. Although it does lean more towards the arcade side for sure.
yes but gaijin already said no more gen IVs this update, so that’s out of the question
@@SeekerHead The only hope for anyone that gets engaged by an F-14 is to pray the pilot they're facing off against is hot trash then if thats the case. In my opinion, I wish they made the jets just capable as they are IRL.(while keeping the arcade aspect) I know in the current game that would ruin the balance through and through. Although to balance this they should have a technology gap to compensate for any technological advantage or disadvantage. Like a jet from the 1980s facing off against one from the 2000s as the older one is just as capable as the newer one for example. I know with how the current game is that would cause many issues with br, and just matchmaking in general. I'm sure there's a way they could figure out how to implement something like that without ruining the balance, or causing long wait times. It would be cool as well because the game would still be fun and balanced in RB, and it's also a more realistic touch for anyone wanting to simulate real-life engagements in custom battles. Hypothetically if they added in The F-14 with its IRL capabilities, along with other jets that have realistic stats, just some newer, maybe some older, I'd be beyond happy. But hey, that's just my opinion.
thank you for calling the j7's country west taiwan
Mainland Republic of China would be a bigger insult to the CCP since saying Taiwan would mean you acknowledge the ROC was pushed away into a small island off the coast.
The only problem i see is that this thing will club f 104 like nothing
As a nice comparison, War Thunder is neither a need for speed, nor an IRacing. It's a Forza, a simcade. It's not trying to 100% simulate actual air combat like DCS, but it's also based in reality enough that you can't call it arcade, imo. That said, the F-14 really did unbalance air combat in real life, and if they're gonna add the plane while keeping the game realistic, that's the consequence. They nerfed it enough by adding the A version, underpowered, with early phoenixes, and no L's. There's no way to fix this until the mig-29/F-16 update, which will pretty much cover every in-game nation.
All these MiG23 pilots who keep clapping my Phantom are about to get it, hard.
“But it killed two planes with one missile so it has to be better than everything else ” 🤓
that part isnt even true, which makes it even more hilarious
@@TroubleTwo the most hilarious thing is that in real life an iranian F14 RIO managed to wipe out 3 Mig 23s with a single Phoenix...and in another occasion another iranian F14 crew destroyed 2 with a single Phoenix...this is hilarious
It's sorta a T-2 moment though right? There are times in war thunder's history where the devs have to break the ice at some point and add something that shakes up the meta. are there slightly less overpowered vehicles like the F-4S or the F-16 block 5 that could've been added? yes. But it seems to me gaijin thought "we're doing 4th gen anyway and folks want the tomcat so why not" and of course top gun came out. I'm not trying to say it's not the best performing jet in game but what I am saying is sometimes you need to introduce something like this to break the ice.
I was thinking the sentiment exactly.
Idk why I am watching this my best plane is the Yak-7b
The F-14 is indeed the most combat capable jet in the game. Respectfully, and rightfully displayed. However Russia receiving the best of the best and in a bountiful amount not to mention. I believe America deserves its power creep! The F-14 has its advantages and disadvantages. Yes, the Tomcat should do everything better than everyone else. The players skill however is what will make or break it. In addition, we’ve been waiting for our MLD counter-part. It’s perfectly reasonable to let America rain superior on something historically proven.
Guaranteed they nerf the Tom cat before coming to live server because its not russian
if thats the case then let me fight your unstabilized m60s with APDS in my t64s with APFSDS
I don’t think the issue is the F-14, it’s a 4th gen fighter, it is almost always going to outperform and shit on 3rd gen fighters. Adding viable counters would’ve been significantly better than artificially nerfing it. As Long as it’s performing as realistically as possible by wt standards. Br compression and gaijin’s greed is the reason this is an issue.
Honestly the F14 is coming far too early.
War Thunder greedy for more US players
Which fighter should have been added instead?
@@Red_Lion2000 not instead, just alongside. Mig 29A, 25/31, IDF could have a super phantom, German phantom could get 9Ls, early versions of the tornado if panavia allows it. BR could be pushed to 12+ if they were all added simultaneously
@@obamamicrowave1533 You said "the F14 is coming far too early"
Also, the J7E still beats it in a dogfight and the missiles are very easy to avoid.
If you think the F-14 would break top tier, you dont want the mig29. However I would love to see the mig25/31 being added.
@@Red_Lion2000 every missile is easy to avoid
Gajin-"We want to make this game as much realistic as it's possible."
Random guy "😭😭😭😭F-14 nerf"
Btw those Phoenix in war thunder are useless unless they delete spotting for missiles cuz now u can just see them right away. Imagine takeing big hvy missile with 16g instead of AIM-7F.
Is there spotting in SB?
@@HandlesSuck123 nope 0 u don't see anything no diamonds on missilies etc. u ale don't see where are your team mtes on the map.
look the F-14 is a op plane yes but it is op because of the planes that it is fighting it was a good aircraft for its time on the other hand it was desinged to be a fighter people couldnt get the point of the AIM-54 so of course in game its going the be op at long range but to connect back to the first point in a dogfight with most other planes from it era it would lose such as the MIG-25 fulcrum the F-14 doesn't need a nerf it need to fight planes from it own era witch hopfully will be coming so and if that doesnt come soon then B.R decompression and of bigger maps will just give gaijin some time and if you read this thank im not trying to start a fight i'm expressing my opion and thought with fact to back my point
From my perspective, I could care less about the f14 being overpowered and breaking the matchmaker because it is time that America has reenter the spotlight. Russia has been on the spotlight for the past several years after the addition of the Mig 23 MLD. This plane was incredibly overpowered and it showed with its R60M missiles being removed while it was still in the test server. Its capabilities outmatched every jet in the game and it stood as Russia's top dog for some time. More powerful missiles were an ineffective counter because of the large amount of countermeasures. Its radar missiles were overpowered because it did not give off a radar warning because of a bug. Its unmatched engine performance allowed the jet to catch up or even out pace F104 Starfighters in a straight line and turn hard as a F5 Tiger Shark. The Viggen and the F4J were not enough to counter this jet. The F4J was released too late and the Viggen would majority of the time be fighting alongside the Mig 23 MLD.
America taking its first steps into generation 4 fighters which pioneered its development is truly a momentous step in war thunder. I do believe that this is by far the only way to balance this jet without hurting the up and coming update because if I am correct, the f14 used AIM 9L Sidewinders in the treaser, but it was removed for likely balancing reasons and some prior experience with the Mig 23 MLD.
If some people can recommend some balancing changes. Maybe we can find a way to limit its capabilities while also keep the aircraft relevant than please comment down below.
Yeah exactly
tbh she is good where she is its an F4j that can maneuver and has AIM54s in terms of its missiles what they could do is have the 9L on the F14b
So instead of avoiding another MLD casa your happy because this time it's American. What a dumbass
Until it actually fully releases I think the debates about its performance are useless.
F-104S.ASA will stomp because I like that plane a lot so it will be really good especially in a dogfight with a tomcat
Yes plsss nerf Gaijibbles and add 20k repair cost to a decent planes like the 104G )))))))
You are so wrong. War Thunder is not a realistic simulator, but still it's a simulator. If you introduce something really superior in reality in the game, just nerfing it in order to make a balance can destroy the immersion of the game. It depends where you draw the line. There should be a decent realism defined by logic at least. You don't make all planes equal just for the sake of balance.
What's the point of it then?
This happened every time when WT introduced a new generation of planes. You need to wait for a balance created by a variety of similar planes! For now F-14 must remain an F-14.
PS: Calling ppl dumb, but being dumb in the same time. No comment.
My opinion on the f 14 is that it should have what it had irl, but that there should be reasonable counters to it. They are simply slapping the f 14 into the game without any other 4th gen fighters with similar capabilities, so it is blatantly overpowered. I also think it should be higher in br, but that's just my opinion just thinking about it.
imo they should just give the F14 a slightly higher BR, and when they finally add more 4th gen fighters such as later models of the F14, the F16, etc they can move it back down and try and implement the main problem with the F14-A model, compressor stalls. i think it would be tough but i feel it could bring the right balance to the game
@@parmesan6133 That would work, but as usual gaijin is doing it the hard way.
"War thunder is a sim" Alright, let's make it a sim. You just pulled 11 g's, welp better pay the full repair cost because that air frame is never flying again. Oh you just held a 10g turn for more then a few seconds, yea your pilot is knocked out and isn't going to regain consciousness for a while, if ever by the time your plane crashes, G-lock is a bitch.
I understand the f-14 need to be balanced, but why then are you not putting the same scrutiny and logic to the planes you enjoy? The planes in this game are borked 15 different ways, like you said in this video that J-7 was pulling 12gs. Just seems like many in the community want to see American players just suffer with the Phantoms and nothing else.
The J7 is the most meta, but it isn't blatantly over powered like the F-14 is
@@SeekerHead But we aren't even sure the F-14 is blatantly overpowered. We don't even know if its flight model is finished.
@@SeekerHead I think they should have made the j8 more unique the j7e it has almost the same capabilities and armament as j7e but j7e has better flight performance if they would have given it 6 missile and change the variants it would be better and unique
@@SeekerHead so what? There have been plenty of meta planes that outclass at least one or more nations in every metric. Usually it’s the Russians. I’m ground RB it’s been the Germans. Grinding the American tech tech tree is a living testimony of this. Even worse, the British air tree. Imagine having to stay low and hope your enemy overshoots as you turn out of his dive just to get a chance to hit him? Then imagine having to do that for like every plane, especially the meteors.
Lmao. It’s fine for f14 to be better at every metric so long as it’s not overwhelming and so far, most RUclipsrs agree it’s not game breaking. You’re in the serious minority here (which doesn’t mean your wrong but it’s good for thought).
@@Takemura76 GRB imbalances are a joke compared to ARB ones
Seeker Head did you not see Top Gun Maverick? the F-14 can beat two Su-57s therefore it should obviously be absolutely OP in our arcade "simulator". In fact it should be so good that it ruins the game completely by destroying the balance at top tier by making everything else obsolete.
The F-14A is going to be ridiculously over tiered and out matched. The lack of any real air to ground ordinance leaves it grasping for straws, and the vulcan is an unreliable cannon in its damage with a poor area of bullet coverage due to its laser pointer quality. The Phoenix is a gimped missile that will do nothing in game, and quite frankly I'd rather take Aim-9Bs. It's radar is unreliable just like all other radars and can easily be notched. The MiG-23MLD is simply a superior aspect in every way, as its radar is better, its missiles are better, it turns better in both types of turning engagements. The new radar feature is a meaningless gimmick that will do nothing, and given the size of the aircraft and engines I'd bet that it has a radar cross section the size of Missouri and could decoy a Fox 2 from the sun. In simulator mode it is going to be seriously under performing, lacking its gun lead sight. Honestly I'd rather fly out the F-100D, given its radar is probably just as good, and its guns have better bullet coverage area than the vulcan. Honestly I'm ashamed of Gaijin for hyping such a blatantly horrid aircraft to all the people who expected it to be good because they watched Top Gun and can't wait to farm them with my Su-17M4, the superior flight platform. Too bad Gaijin wont give us the Su-25 to have fun with, and though I want the MiG-29 I'd almost feel bad for the Americans how much superior it would be to their tomcat.
Is this a joke, or are you really Albert Einstein? Funny either way.
@@td9302 I'm dead serious, the F-14 is the one of the worst aircraft ever constructed and I don't know why it's so hyped. Honestly the only thing it did consistently was compressor stall.
@@thetrujelo 💀
@@thetrujelo I think you'll end up on the next dumb comments video.
The only reason why I support the f14 being added to the game is because they just opened the door to 4th gen aircraft which is something that I believe has been needed since 2 years ago. I don’t mind if it’s not going to be realistic for the moment that it came out because it needs to be balanced otherwise we would have a crisis like we had when the T-2 was added. We need competition like the mig 29 if we want the f14 to be “realistic”.
I'm ready to feel just like I did when the T-2 dropped and I was dealing with airspawning T-2s in my F-100 on wake 😆
I was one of those T-2's and let me tell you it was a blast lol. I don't think the Tomcat will be nearly as big a gap as that was.
Gaijin is just going to give the late 3 gens we have better missiles before we get a counter
I honestly don’t see why everyone is being toxic to each other over this plane. Gaijin is adding it without any competition which mean until more aircraft are added it’s going to be op. But some people need to not be so toxic to those who think it isn’t op. because most people who support the plane aren’t going to preform that well in it, but pilots who are good at the game are going to do great in it and be good at shooting it down. Gaijin should have waited to release the f14 until it had some competition.
From what I’ve seen everyone shits on USA mains when they get new vehicles and start to target them by specifically grinding something to counter it but if anyone complains about a German/Russian vehicle it’s a skill issue all of a sudden and you just need to get good 😂
The f14 does not need a nerf at least in my opinion the phoenix missiles are very easy to dodge if you are paying attention and the engines on this model aren’t that powerful compared to some of the other planes in the game most of the fighters in the game now could easily catch up to the f14
I think there are 2 main reasons why people get so mad at the MLD/MLA: First, it's one of the Planes that you will see most, thus get killed by it most, therefore develop a deep hatred for the thing. And second, it's the current situation with Russia, people get spun into the classic west against east thinking and dont want to see themselfs on the loosing end ( I know its in a video game, but that's classic Patrioidiotism).
The funniest aspect is, the US never had an air to air kill under an actual combat situation with the AiM-54.
They fired it like 3 times in combat, 2 times it failed the other missed
7:37 I am going to enjoy having something that can actually turn with the damn thing and carry more than two missiles
Yea. I love playing the f5e, but having only 2 aam in top tier kinda sucks. You can dogfight like a madman, but have limited use in the initial furball once those 2 aam are off the rails since dogfighting before the game calms down/most of the enemies die is usually a death sentence. I've still got a great K/D in the f5e and its quite capable, but I dont particularly love it for these reasons.
Someone in warthunder chat told me that the F-5c can compete with an F-14. Guess what jet they were in
i can't understand why the community is complaining about the f14a, it's a bit better than the MLD in performance, yet nobody complains about the mld being the best fighter in live server. The phoenix (fox 3)it carries is not even that good to begin with, very easy to dodge don't even need to defend properly. imo people a overstimating it a lot... it's nice they're introducing bvr capable aircraft, hope they release a separeted gamemode for EC and make maps bigger for these jets
*when you comment without watching the video*
@@SeekerHead i didn't watch yet, but i'm just saying, a lot of people are crying, saying they will uninstall the game and it will brake the game, the only vehicle i remember braking the game was the tu4
You know the update isn't out yet
It's out tomorrow
I disagree when you said moving the br up will be useless. I’m not the greatest jet player but I have gotten plenty of decent games with 2-3 kills as a 10.3 aircraft in a full uptier, and I probably won’t be able to do that if there are f-14s. 10.3s are not completely useless in an uptier, so to keep it that way I think the F-14 should go to 11.7 or 12.0, and later maybe even moved up further when there are more 4th gens added.
Like i love F14 as everyone and maybe even more...but if thia ting is going to fight off 10.3 jets will be a painfull madness...and considering that Gaijin is driving this car i wouldn t be surprised
Despite disagreeing with the opinion that the F14 is OP since the missiles are easy to dodge due to their relatively slow turn rate and the fact that you can see the giant white trail behind it, I'll laugh with you at the "JAS 37 Viggen" comment since there was never a JAS 37, only a JA, an AJ, and an S (sold separately).
I mean the Mig 23 MLD literally does everything better than the US aircraft currently in game except the F5E. But the F5E is useless at this point because 90% of the time it get murdered by missiles before it can do anything. It’s also soo slow you can just run and launch missiles at it till it dies.
The F5 have nothing to do against the Mig23, only if its played in groups, but its repair cost critically reduces the number of people ready to lose SL like pouring water on the floor.
Tbh it just shouldn't be added yet...like there isn't any perfect adversary for this plane. The mig 29 is too good and would be more of a counter to the f16a or f14b and the tornado f3 despite having better dogfight missiles has not got the performance to chase after the f14a. I might be missing something obvious here but I don't see any direct competition for this plane especially for now.
I think the f-14 should be implemented as best as possible but adjusted in br I don't like artificial nerfs except for restricted loadouts
Restrict it to guns only
@@TransportSupremo no
@@spartanx9293 you said restricted loadouts to balance it. This would be balanced
@@TransportSupremo how would that be balanced any aircraft that is without missiles will have next to no means to defend itself or to attack other aircraft a gun is nowhere near enough
@@TransportSupremo in return we will restrict the MLD to only carrying one r60 missile and the j7 will also go guns only and I say restricted loadout I mean not giving it stuff like aim 9 Ls or aim 9 ms
Ive seen an F-5c kill many f-14s. But thats one guy, so i agree that it is OP.
You always talk about dogfight performance like it’s the be all end all, and although I agree it’s a large factor you neglect to think of other things. I believe the mld is the strongest jet in the game over the j7e because of its sheer speed coupled with its dogfight performance. When I play my mld I can choose when I want to fight and where, yes the j7 can definitely kill me in close quarters, but that’s only if I’m dumb enough to go close quarters with a j7. If I see one then I just extend away and it can’t do anything about it, similar with every other jet in game. And the ones that can catch the mld like if I get an fgr2 on my ass then I’ll dogfight him and absolutely dominate.
Unfortunately for the mlds however there is now a jet that can both catch it and then dominate it so yeah
I should also add that if more people utilised the speed of the mld their win rate would be much much higher, all the time I see mlds sucked into low speed dogfights while trying to kill someone who honestly isn’t worth it, and they end up dying to a 3rd party because of this. If mld players weren’t so preoccupied with whether they could, they’d stop and question if they should and maybe, just maybe, I’ll stop being the last one alive on my team
I would take speed of rate fights any way
Bad take from Seeker Head.
16:11 I find it funny how he called you bad lmao, while he just runs away and relied on tickets after the rest of his team just was unaware of PL5s, plus ive seen that guys videos in my feeds aswell its funny to kinda know who he is
II think that solution is easy, decompress the BR and leave F-14 as close to history as snail can make it, it will mean that it wont have very many things to fight for a time until snail gets to implementing things it historically stood against
Historically it did stand against MiG-23, Su-22 etc...
@@gato_capitalista It ended up fighting those, yes, I have not made my meaning very clear.
What I meant was for now restrict Tomcat to fight Migs 23 and other absolute tops of the line planes and in the future pit it against things that Soviets used at the time. Think it should be less OP against Mig 29 and its likes
@@michalsoukup1021 I agree, and buff thr current competition, but, against the 29 it should at least be the F-14B
well, the war thunder does have a lead indicator, but War Thunder is 100% not a sim
The f14 will break the matchmaking IF the players know how to get everything out of it to make it work
hopefully it'll take months before the F14 could take control of the game, so maybe the September patch could arrive on time.
Ofc the last player, the one that called you "so bad", runs away when you start to win lmao.
I guess I’m sort of glad I started my grind for the J-7E quite quickly… I would’ve been stomped if I had gone for the ASA instead 😅
Also, do you think the J-8B would have some opportunity against the Tomcat? or is the J-7E still better against it?
The J8 can work, but as soon as the tomcat makes it bleed all of its energy after the first 3-4 pulls it's over. The J7 is superior to the J8 from top to bottom tbh, yet it's 11.0 and the J8 is 11.3
I assume the J-8 will soon get the PL-8 to actually validate it’s B.r compared to the J7. As far as balance compared to other vehicles the J8 with pl8’s doesn’t seem like that bad of an idea now after the release of the F-14 lol.
@@brayF2 J-8 getting the PL-8s? seems like a bit of a big buff, I think that would make the J-8 extremely strong against other planes apart from the tomcat.
the only reason dogfights are even relevant in wt is the bad teams dying immefiately
F16 would be even more broken than the f14. They should have added something else in addition to the f14. When the update comes out I think you will find the f14 being better than everything but nowhere near as broken as you and much of the community think.
He's literally talking about how it is on the dev and saying it shouldn't come to live like this, so if it performs worse on the live server, good. However I'm inclined to disagree that the F-16 would be more powerful/broken, specifically extremely early Block A models like we're getting with the F-14, as they didn't even have Sparrows until the A model block 20, it can't carry as many missiles (6v8 even on 16C), it's not nearly as fast when fully loaded with weapons besides below mach acceleration, and its rate performance is about the same while having worse AoA (this is specific to early A models with a much worse flight computer). And, though I'll admit I have heard conflicting sources on this particular fact, the 16A block 5 either couldn't or didn't mount any all aspect AIM-9's upon its introduction, something they easily could have done to artificially nerf it for the time being.
@@evangalinsky2499 Dude, it can carry 10 (or probably more, if they don't put external fuel tanks on) It accelerates faster, is more manuverable, and has better energy retention. (at least should, but gaijin probably won't model that)
@@HaartieeTRUE it can only carry 6 on the F-16. As far as I'm aware spacing doesn't allow for dual rails under the 2 wing hard points so it's limited to 6, 2 under each wing and 1 on each wing tip. The F-18 can carry 10 and 2 sidewinders. The very internal wing pylons where the 16 can mount tanks it cannot mount AMRAAMs, nor under the belly. I believe the Japanese remedied this with the F-2, which is a larger F-16 with various other changes, it's not quite a direct copy although the overall design is almost exactly the same. Even if the 16 can mount dual rails that's a very recent development so we won't see it on early models.
@@evangalinsky2499 early f16's cant even use sparrows only aim9j
@@einar8019 I stated that in my comment "However I'm inclined to disagree that the F-16 would be more powerful/broken, specifically extremely early Block A models like we're getting with the F-14, as they didn't even have Sparrows until the A model block 20"
Thanks for thoroughly reading before commenting.
Tomcat should be hands down better than everything in the game. They want to push people to "the best top tier" so they will make more money selling the top premium in that tier! The only "balanced" option is introducing a competitive gen 4, and they said they won't do it.
1 thing why does the F14 dont get Aim9L again i mean like even the F4F gets now Aim9L but dude why does the contry that made the Aim9L still dont gets it ??????
yeah true not even the F4E got the Aim9L now fucking hate it !!!!!!
F4F does not get Aim9L
I think the F4E and F5 could use aim9Ls, even the F4J is possible. But the F14 does not need them
The f4f hasn’t gotten the 9L yet and it won’t on patch day, all they said was, “it’s possible later”
Also, you have radar missiles, the f4f doesn’t, and a phantom with no radar missiles is kinda mid already, so…
It's an early f-14 likely from the first block model secondly for the sake of balance
Also, the F14 is not better at everything. The Kfir c7 still has the best acceleration in game.
I thought the harrier or the viggen does?
@@thehover6824 not sure about viggen's acceleration, it may be faster, but nothing compare to kfir. And the harrier doesn't count. You wont face that, and if you do, it's subsonic
Amazing video
F14 shouldn't be nerfed.
I know im gonna get some hate but im just lookin forward to the mig fanboys getting rekt 24/7. Ive given up on balance im just enjoying Russia wont be on top
Apparently someone pulled 11 Gs in the F-14 irl but that is of course going beyond the flight envelope.
and also permanently destroying the airframe to where it’ll never be airborne again after that fly out
@@SeekerHead I don't know wether it was possible to restore the airframe to a level it got clearaed for flying again but it certainly went to inspection.
Airframes can be overstressed as far as the manual is concerned and have to go to inspection and there wont be a problem. Overstressing does not automatically include surpassing the structural limit of the airframe.
What happened to that F-14 after it landed I don't know.
Hopefully they fix the flight model for the f14 before launch like going Mac 1 in a raid fight I think should not be possible but may be wrong
Guess I need to play my other nations when the update hits so I can farm some easy kills for a day or so till most players git most of the modifications for f14
unfortunately it will probably stay the same
@@SeekerHead sorry for last video comment I didn't mean it towards you
@@SeekerHead can the j7e win in any sense vs the f14 in a dogfight?
@@varaniz7435 absolutely, the manoeuvrability at the start of the dogfight and the ir missiles means the j7e can put up a good fight, however fail to take advantage of those first moments in the dogfight then the f14 will come into its stride and the j7 will loose
Essentially if you’re going to kill it, do it quickly otherwise you’ll die. Similar to the mld where horizontally it has the first turn advantage but after that it can’t do much
Those comments make me think we *just* might have a chance considering what kinda people would be flying the F-14
7:45 r24t let me introduce myself from 10km away
>not 30G
>no unlimited G on launch
>only 2
@@SeekerHead at 10km u don’t need to pull any Gs and from that range u won’t be able to dodge it cus u won’t even see it
@@hemendraravi4787 You will see it actually. the smoke trail is visible+ as it gets close enoth to hit you, it gets spotted. and once spoted, its easier to doge then an aim9b
TWS probably won’t be that amazing, it’s only really there to fight before the merge than you would wanna switch to PD mode, Also currently you can easily outrange MLDs with AIM 7F in the F4J, in short the F14 will be the best plane in the game, but it won’t make up for being terrible, it’s not an F22
If an MLD wants to not die to a sparrow, it won't. They're so fuckin easy to defeat. And then what? You can't chase it in an f4j.
Hard to dodge a sparrow when you don’t know it’s coming
@@bajablast7741 it's a fox 1 and has a massive vapor trail..... And can't be fired rear aspect. They pretty much always know when it's coming
@@bajablast7741 TWS doesnt work for sparrows. And WT phoenix's are still super slow (Not as bad as Dev server 1)
@@themonkeyspaw7359 I’m aware, that’s why tws on the Ja37 makes no sense unless they give it fox 3’s which would be kinda random
Technically speaking, no vehicle should have over a 50% win rate for the game to be balanced.
The F14 is in a tough spot to balance. Sitting in first as the very first 4th Gen to enter service, it was a bit of a leap in capability. Sure the MiG25/31 could match the BVR capability, but not the BFM. Going to the MiG29 is also not an option, since it's just... leaps and bounds above, more of a foil to the F16 than the F14. There's really nothing that can be added on the Warsaw Pact side that could be an equivalent, a true equivalent. Maybe you could try a Mirage 2000, but even that is a bit iffy. Tornado F.3 my beloved, you would be in the same boat at the MiG25/31. Anyway, f14 Is a tough girl to balance.
Don’t think the Mig 25 or 31 could out BVR it, and they would never be able to beat it in BFM
Idk the Tornado is pretty different (depending on version) to the tomcat
Seeker the F-14 did have that auto gun lead you were talking about early in the video
In my experience the event f5 can hold it's own against mig23s, will be interesting to see it against the f14. Also f5 BeTTer Bc iT's sMALLeR.
Id argue the F-14 DOES have competition , BUT the vehicles that do compete with it in certain aspects lack versatility that the Tomcat brings. For example, the EJ Kai with AIM-7Fs is equal, if not flat better then Tomcat in BVR due to the radar it carries. However IF the Tomcat gets to the EJ, the EJ is dead. The J-7E in my experience is extremely close in terms of WVR combat and it comes down to pilot skill, but the J-7E has to make it to the merge. My ISSUE with the Tomcat is that it does everything too well and there's going to be HOARDES of Tomcats, whereas one team is going to be a mix of aircraft with no answer to the Tomcat. I also believe most people haven't actually played it/played against yet, which I have, and the MLD stands a snowballs chance in hell. I would appreciate some feedback on this take!
I just want competitive minor nations :(
Also, as a Viggen veteran, I can say that those people are most likely some that don't play it but only see it as overpowered. It's really not good and definitely not going to be competitive following the next patch(unless it gets 74s).
just a quick question, why didnt you complain about the mig 23, but in here complaining about the f14 ?
Watch my video titled “this video is about the MLD in war thunder” for the answer to that
@@SeekerHead ight I'll check it out. And in my view as playing. Almost all nations at top tier the f14 can be countered, by lots of planes and unless they fix radar it gotta be useless with full load of 54
"West Taiwan tech tree"
I've never subbed to someone as quick before
The problem is useless heatseekers missiles after this flares buff, i find no problem in the f14 if my r60 is working 🤡
the F-22 might not be a match for the viggen, but the gripen would kick its ass 😎😎😎😎
It would help if the community would realize this pattern and actually try and put a stop to it by making it clear to gaijin that they need to slow down the updates and start not putting them out if there is a new big thing unless the update includes a counterpart for each of said things for atleast "The Big Three". Its fine if they want to put a focus on one iconic vehicle but that doesnt justify the constant one or the other balance that we get now, where the new meta thing is on one nation until the next patch then it switches to another. It needs to start being more of an equal update system all around. It would also help a little with the premium spam and matchmaker destruction when for instance right now, because the one big thing coming is the F-14; EVERYONE is playing USA and every Air RB match is US + (whoever) VS US + (whoever).
If they want to make a big leap in tech, make it an end of year thing so that the main nations at the very least can all have something equally competitive with that new tech leap. Then so it doesnt feel like updates dont happen they can release smaller things that arent a super big deal to the advancements in the game, like for instance the new G6 Rhino or the VBC in little incremental updates throughout the year to keep the new stuff trickling; so its not a 1 big update a year and then just nothing for the rest of it. But even then the trickle updates i believe should give atleast 1 thing to EVERY nation in each one.
Either way this shit needs to stop happening. the game is inbalanced as is enough. a nice start would be stopping the switching "OP" Meta thing that changes to a different nation everytime and just breaks whatever mode, BR, and nation that thing is added to. Then balancing everything else from there.
The "revenge"-like desire for imbalance also needs to end. Start telling gaijin to do things differently. No more adding new shit unless equivalents are added in atleast "the big three" in the SAME update so there isnt this perpetually tipping "(X) nation dominates this update due to (Y) vehicle(s)". Its just cancerous and further encourages the problem.
start calling the MLD the “MALD” because that’s what it makes people in 99% of the conversations its brought up in 🤣