Great story Kevin. Bank robbers should use your story to put everyone at the bank to sleep before robbing it. “ I was like….. do you have shaving cream?” 😜
@@johnnybeefum"If it wasn't for Bill GOLDberg 🙄 . . . I would have never have died like I'm about to right now.💀" Brett would always roll his eyes when he said Goldberg's full name.
On the surface with his experience I don't see how Bret didn't see it coming. But even now he's so emotional about it I just don't think he has the acting ability to fake it.
@@thedogwoods5716 That's how Bret saw the contract I fully believe that. But I don't remember any mention of Bret saying he was going to sue Vince or could sue Vince.
Bret never in a million years would have gone to the media the way he did if it were a work. He was far to protective of the industry but did it because he believed he really got screwed over.
I'm somewhat in agreement with this. It can still be a "work" without Bret knowing about it and being in on it. There are just too many distinct and believable factors with Bret's personality that don't make it likely that he knew about this. Or...he's the ultimate swerve-artist😂
@@SourForward He’s told numerous stories of wrestlers telling him on the airplane and the dressing room - that they’re gonna screw him. And he said he would tell them I know. When they actually did it - like he said in the documentary - he couldn’t believe they actually did it. He was naive.
Bret is the he epitome of work himself into a shoot. Like Bret has absolutely no problem with Goldberg as a person was cool with him for a while after the accident saw all the money it cost and Bret went FTB
It's great that Nash has such respect for Bret and Shawn. It must have been difficult for him at times. Both helped make him a main event player but absolutely despised each other. Nash should have gotten them together and said guys it's a work." You two guys are the top talents of this era. Go and make money together and have great 3967 star matches."
Thank you Kev! For speaking out on Montreal screwjob woooah! Shawn vs Bret that heat I wish you would’ve been there through all the feud on RAW Shawn fight Bret.
@@ChanceTalksBusiness Writing WCW wasn't even aired on TV, though. Pretty sure a lot of those shots are from the wrestling with shadows documentary crew, and not WWF crew.
@CurvaGrande Owen dying destroyed him mentally. It was all over money buddy. Vince couldn't afford to compete with turner to keep brett cause he was paying huge money to shawn Austin and taker he couldn't justify it.
If you watch the whole year before they were building up to this ! Vince was coming out as owner and getting involved Bret snapped thrashed ringside equipment and attacked Vince once or twice before . even Vince at ringside was part of the script he could have called for the bell from the back or the announce desk !
In a six year span… Bret went from being on top of the wrestling world to Vince reneging on Bret’s contract and pushed him begrudgingly to WCW, the Montreal Screwjob, his storyline with WCW going nowhere, he suffered a career ending injury by Goldberg, Owen died, Pillman died, Davey died, his mother died, his father died, he went through a divorce and he had a stroke. He had to feel like he was gut punched over and over during 1997-2003.
Scott Hall thought it was a work because they showed Bret write WCW in the air. What he didn't seem to know is they never showed that on the PPV. Most people didn't see that footage till years after.
Bret has talked about smoking weed before. But its not something he brings up a lot. On the Adrian Adonis Episode of Dark side of the Ring, Bret talked about doing cocaine all night long with the Adrian and other veterans and talking about the business.
25 years ago the weed dealers where I lived called weed "Betty"...as in "Have you seen Betty lately?" "Is Betty here?" "Betty ran into some trouble with the cops, she won't be here." or "Betty's here, you should come over. She was asking about you..."
I remember Nash always thinking it was a work & it makes me wonder have Triple H & Shawn Michaels comfirmed it to him? Or they said it was real, but he thinks they're working him?
@@raymonddiaz3783 I think Waltman said that about Shawn or HHH and I think that is stupid. I would just straight up ask? Scott Hall always brings up the WCW thing Bret did - but that was after the PPV went off the air!
Brett has always been a pro 420 guy. Not as much 4 da recreational effect which we all luv [me & Kev included] but 4 all da other benefits that were not alcohol, hard core drugs or heavy medication related with less negative side affects. Speak'n of gonna take his 1/2" NPT x 1/2" SS swage tee which he converted into a mini pipe by installing some S/S mesh into it's body4 a spin...🤪 PS Kev, U ain't suppose 2 spray foam shave'n cream butt instead use da GEL cream, as it blocks da smoke alarm vents so much better😜
After seeing Bret cry all these years - and on the rivalries DVD - and him talking about carrying a bag of rocks around for years and finally letting go - no way it was a work. Cornette even said Vince thought he would become the babyface out of all of this. Bret has said multiple times that wrestlers came up to him on the airplane, the dressing room, etc and told him they were gonna screw him, but people believe Vince, HHH, Shawn, and Bret all sat down and went over all of this. That’s BS.
Damn..what a bizarre world that would be where HBK and Vince are the faces and Austin is a dB trying to ruin everyone's lives and eat all their steaks...except in Canada of course So then X7 would've been the perfect PPV of all time with Austin cucking to Vince, he finally becomes a baby face by stowing the line, doing funny skits and always paranoid his bootstraps are gonna go missing lol but still takes his ball home a few months later when Brock comes in (showing he's not in it for long haul and being selfish and a meanie to wwe) and then Cena ends up being the #1 box office draw of all time WWE would've had a decade to build this narrative of supporting the company and the business owner and being a positive person and that airing dirty laundry and going to war against capitalism is unprofessional and has consequences So yeah Cena would've outdrawn Austin, Rock always a bpd relationship with the fans and left (no company loyalty) and then Hogan would've been hated for his little stunt in WCW followed by shooting on Vince at 19 after 20yrs of Vinces investment Cena would've been the only standout baby face corporate lover boy. The beacon of the model employee and WWE would be more popular than ever if Vince had been able to pull off going baby face and making everyone, including nwo and dx all look like whiny babbies who eventually get put down and the company and the owner live to see another day ...except In Canada still😂
Totally off topic: Not sure where to ask questions but the WWE Vault channel just released some footage of the grand opening of the WCW Nitro Grill in 1999 and Big Sexy was there. I hope they can touch on this footage and what that event was like. And also, who was the dude that got out of the limo with Nash.
Purely coincidence that the cameras stayed on and zoomed in on the faces and everything. Bret, Shawn, Vince, Hunter… they all would’ve said it’s a work by now
It can be a "work" in the sense that a few people are in on it (i.e. Kevin Dunn, people in the truck, etc...) which would lend to the first point you made. Zoom in on Bret's face because yeah, he genuinely doesn't have a clue and if you're Vince and you're "screwing" him, why not get that face of absolute disbelief for your money shot to close a PPV? In the world of blurred kayfabe, Bret's reaction to what just happened would be the most genuine thing you could ever ask for.
Yes, but they kept camera on him, he could have pulled his pecker out and pissed WCW in the center of the ring for all anyone knew if it wasn't planned, keeping the camera on someone when you don't what is going to transpire next isn't really WWE's bag
Totally agree. I could see Kevin Dunn being in the know or at the very least had instructions from Vince "When the bell rings, I want you to zoom in on Bret's face." The whole "The Mr. Mcmahon character was born" thing was happenstance. There's no way they had any idea how successful the Mr. McMahon/Stone Cole feud would turn out to be.
I always thought if it was a work it was “the last true we got em wrestling angle” because the business was so exposed at this point and was getting more and more exposed as time went on. If it’s a work it was absolutely “one last “real”, “we got em” type shit
Fans knew that wrestling was a work but that a lot of factors like anger, jealousy, career threat or ambition, might turn it at any moment into a shoot. You couldn't get away with full kayfabe like the old days but you sure could tease the fans with the idea that things just got real. Seemed to be quite a bit of that in that era, the 'worked shoot'
The point most people miss is yes, it WAS A WORK. Vince decided what he wanted to have happen and he instructed Earl and Shawn to execute his predetermined plan. That qualifies it as a work in wrestling. What was scripted to happen, happened. WORK. The only question that remains to be answered is whether or not Bret was in on it.
It's not completely cut and dry to me. If we go with the original story... which is the only people who knew were Vince, Pat, Shawn, Hebner, and JR...then we assume it was kept from everyone else for fear of the plan getting leaked. That means cameramen, program directors, etc were just as confused and shocked as we were. The hardest piece of evidence that it was a work was the fact that they happened to be shooting a documentary at that very time. That seems pretty suspect, but again, not cut and dry for me.
People were filming that documentary almost 2 years before it happened and they were only there because they knew it was a PPV in Montreal and Bret was near the end of his WWE run. And like other people have mentioned, the PPV went off the air right after HBK went thru the curtain and a lot of those shots afterwards of Bret were from the doc crew. And him writing WCW was never shown on WWE TV. They didn’t have one close up of Bret after the bell rung until the PPV went off the air. Why do these channels keep making stuff up to try and pretend it was a work?
I think it's clear McMahon wanted Bret's disgusted face to be seen on television. Also the fact that this guy that he made a sucker was going to WCW. He somehow thought this would devalue Bret 😂
He encouraged him to go to WCW, and offered him a return deal. They wanted to make his comeback have a story involving the screwjob, but bret was forced to retire and blamed them for owens death.
@@jasonpage9986 That was the story line for the whole year . Vince was becoming a character and Bret kept getting screwed . during the rumble by Austin and before mania in a cage match . he even trashed the ringside and attacked Vince !
It wasn't a work, the camera angles were funny and the abrupt ending was never before seen on WWE before that, I remember being at a my friend's house when it happened, and instantly thought to myself something was up, and sure enough I was right, and here we are almost 30 years later still talking about the "Montreal Screwjob".
I think that's one of the best takes as there were more than 3 people who knew. Possibly Kevin Dunn in the truck knew, the time keeper, Pat and Brisco, if H knew Chyna knew.
Kevin Nash has never said one bad thing about Bret Hart. He did say some critical things about Bret about his ego but that’s normal. Bret Hart has never said one bad thing about Kevin Nash and backed him to be champion. Kevin Nash had one of his greatest matches against Bret Hart. A match that every 6 foot 6 plus wrestler should watch on how to wrestle a shorter opponent. It’s a classic.
Responding to the first minute, the camera guy would go to Bret to show that he just 'tapped' and is in pain as nobody saw him tap. But obviously he just didn't tap at all, so that's why he looked confused.
I've never heard about what Bret thought was going to be the way he left the title behind in WWF? If the match with Shawn Michaels was going to end in a DQ-schmozz sort of fashion with a bunch of interference, what was the plan (from his perspective and understanding) for how he was going to drop the belt before heading to WCW?
@@rodzor Damn, they got you. The "blurring the lines" shtick they always talk about absolutely works. You really think it was fake, that's hilarious. 😂
McMahon claimed that after Owen died, all Bret did was complain about the Screwjob when they met shortly after. there's no way Bret would go along with that narrative play bringing his deceased brother into it suggesting he's more sensitive to the Screwjob then to his own brother's tragic death.
Here's the ONLY reason I'm not 100% sure that it was a shoot: Bret knew getting screwed somehow was imminent. THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY, someone as smart as Bret would EVER let himself get into a compromising situation like he did when he let HBK reverse his sharpshooter into his own. Nope, that's the part I can't get past. Not after having time to think about it from the time the match was booked, until the actual event.
Bret punched Vince in the eye and gave him a black eye. What would be the point for Vince to try to make it seem as real as possible. He had nothing to gain.
That was the planned finish. After Shawn gets the Sharpshooter on, the "schmoz" is supposed to happen. But the bell rings so the hart foundation don't do the run-in. Owen & Bulldog were waiting in Gorilla.
@Confucius202 not really. Kev always said the same thing about the way the cameras allowed him writing wcw in the air to be broadcasted and alot of the stuff sean brought up.
@@mikehunt8247 Nash also said that Vince wouldn't allow footage of him looking hurt after he got knocked out. But this footage wasn't his footage, it was owned by the guys who produced the documentary. And Vince did try to stop it from being released. As I said, the arguments from Nash and Hall were off.
It doesn't make any sense it being a work. Why would Bret go along with it if he was leaving the company and no longer on the payroll? And why would the Undertaker and Shawn Michael's still be lying about it?
Vince offered him a return deal before leaving. They built the storyline for his return, made him sign an NDA, but he suffered brain injury in WCW, and was forced to retire. He blamed WWE for Ownes death.
@jasonpage9986 There's dozens of wrestlers and office people that were involved that have no reason to lie. Unless Vince was keeping it at secret from all of them. What reason would The Undertaker, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Ken Shamrock, Mick Foley, Jim Cornette, Bruce Pritchard, Vince Russso, etc, etc, etc, continue to lie about it 20 years later when every single other thing that's happened in wrestling over the last 40 years has been talked about as nauseum. But for some reason, that's the only thing that everyone, most of whom dinner like each other or get along, stays covered up.
@@ralphiecifaretto8961 Yeah they had every reason to lie. Those who knew are gagged from telling truth by NDA. To ensure Bret leaves WCW in 3 years and the storyline continues. If you rewatch, Bret was in on it, he's playing along still in character, smashing up the annonce tables.. If WCW would have found out they were going to build a storyline for his return from their product, it could jeopardize him signing. It means word could not get out. Why is Vince front and center at ringside to receive the spit? Vince sure is building a script regardless if Bret was in on it. Does Vince want Bret to hit him? is it good for the storyline? Bret was forewarned by his own locker room it was going to happen, he knew it was plan A or plan B, regardless. Bret should have even given Vince credit for that genius script of having him return back their to avenge what Vince did to him, and make him an even bigger face than he ever was.
@jasonpage9986 Complete and utter Bullshit! There's ZERO chance something like that would have been kept a secret that long. With all the Chatty Kathy's around that. You really think Jim Cornette would stay quiet about it? Or Vince Russo? Nothing was gained by anyone involved. It made everyone look bad and it didn't help the company in any way. There's no way The Undertaker would still be lying about it. Or Mick Foley. Or Bret Hart himself. If they was ever a time Bret was in on it, like you claim, he would have let the cat out of the bag when his brother died.
When I was a kid, I heard about the Montreal Screwjob after it happened, I didn't see it, and it really reminded me of WrestleMania 12, how Bret Hart kinda got screwed out of that title match at the end, and I have always thought it was an extension of what happened during that match. I haven't been this much into wrestling in around 20 years, and listening to y'all on RUclips, feels really cool. There is a new version of kayfabe, there has to be, and you guys seem to be giving away the old secrets of kayfabe because they don't work anymore. Thanks!
I think people forget Nash Bret and hall were all buddies and hung out together outside the biz it’s prob why st one point they might have wanted him to be part of the kliq thing they had
There is a good documentary on RUclips in Brets contract he had creative control for the last 30 day's of his time at end of his contract or he jumped ship so they couldn't job him out to being worthless. So a work maybe.
U could've been working me, but as far as keeping up with u. That shit u talked about your son I connected with bc I had sort of the same experience. So I watched a lil harder n respected some shit u said. I believed in myself the whole time so I think I can still make shit happen at the same time tryna be a realist. Yk get in where u fit in.
I'm not sure why the point of the cameras zooming in on Brett after the match has anything to do with the possibility of Brett being in on it. Kevin Dunn definitely knew the screw job was going to happen because it was a live ppv. Vince didn't know what was going to happen after he called for the bell so you knew damn well the camera truck will be ready for anything. I think he only real rason why people still think it was a work is because how can someone as exeperienced as Brett, who was also the Son of a promoter, not see it coming? Could you imagine Brett telling Stu he is leaving the promotion and saying he isn't going to drop the title at his last big event? I don't even blame Brett for not putting Shawn over but somebody had to. Looking back at it, I'm a little amazed Brett thought it would fly to not drop the belt at his last ppv and then just hand it over tbe next night.
I wonder why my comment about Bobby The Brain Heenan and the survivor series 92 Bret vs Shawn match keeps getting deleted 🤷♂️ The match is on RUclips. Start it at 25 minutes and watch through 25 minutes and 25 seconds and listen to Bobby Heenan. I believe that's where Montreal screwjob came from.
The only way it's a work is if Bret is the greatest actor of all time. Because he has maintained the same level of emotion over a quarter of a century later.
Lol the Shaving cream in the Alarm is a Lit move for sure 😂 Hitman and Diesel super high is classic. Love these stories of og wrestlers from the good ole days
lol what emotion? “Those big jerks really screwed me”. Didn’t he appear on Wwe tv about ten years later? And even had a match with Vince. Now he’s a hall of famer with half his extended family on the roster. Cmon. He literally was an actor too. I can’t imagine him ever forgiving them if they actually fucked him over and he hated them as much as he said, only then to go on to be responsible for his brother’s death.
Great story Kevin. Bank robbers should use your story to put everyone at the bank to sleep before robbing it. “ I was like….. do you have shaving cream?” 😜
On his death bed bret is going to ask Austin to lean in and bret will say "it was me Austin, it was me all along!"😂
along with one last dig at Goldberg
@@johnnybeefum 🤣👌
@@johnnybeefum"If it wasn't for Bill GOLDberg 🙄 . . . I would have never have died like I'm about to right now.💀"
Brett would always roll his eyes when he said Goldberg's full name.
… and as Bret fades to black. Austin with the most sincere look in his eyes, and feeling in his heart will ask Bret. “What!?” lol
The Bret weed story is absolutely hilarious
On the surface with his experience I don't see how Bret didn't see it coming. But even now he's so emotional about it I just don't think he has the acting ability to fake it.
I’ve seen Lonsome Dove. I concur!
Cause Bret had creative control so I guess he felt safe it wouldn’t
@@thedogwoods5716 That's how Bret saw the contract I fully believe that. But I don't remember any mention of Bret saying he was going to sue Vince or could sue Vince.
I could still be unhappy even if he agreed to it . he never got his win over Shawn
@@Quadster19 Because when he punched VKM. VKM would counter sue him for assault.
Bret never in a million years would have gone to the media the way he did if it were a work. He was far to protective of the industry but did it because he believed he really got screwed over.
I'm somewhat in agreement with this. It can still be a "work" without Bret knowing about it and being in on it. There are just too many distinct and believable factors with Bret's personality that don't make it likely that he knew about this. Or...he's the ultimate swerve-artist😂
@@SourForward He’s told numerous stories of wrestlers telling him on the airplane and the dressing room - that they’re gonna screw him. And he said he would tell them I know. When they actually did it - like he said in the documentary - he couldn’t believe they actually did it. He was naive.
Bret is the he epitome of work himself into a shoot. Like Bret has absolutely no problem with Goldberg as a person was cool with him for a while after the accident saw all the money it cost and Bret went FTB
it was a work. Vince put together a variation of the Wendi Richter screw job. Bret followed the Richter script after leaving the WWF.
Good angle sir!
It's great that Nash has such respect for Bret and Shawn. It must have been difficult for him at times. Both helped make him a main event player but absolutely despised each other. Nash should have gotten them together and said guys it's a work." You two guys are the top talents of this era. Go and make money together and have great 3967 star matches."
As a big fan of both, I love hearing Nash say he loves Bret
I never had a problem with Montreal Screwjob
Ever!!
Probably because you weren’t born yet
The Workjob.
@@DXVTHRIDXRSFC1765 im sure you weren't , but i saw it live
“It’s Bret Hart and Big Daddy Cool Diesel getting blazed in the room. Just a false alarm.”
"I never had a problem with Bret's sense of humor."
Bret can definitely be funny... "Hello Smokey... my CAT!!"
Vince to Kevin Dunn: "make sure you get Bret's reaction because Shawn has to look confused to make it seem like he didn't know"
I never thought about the cameras fixating on bret when the bell rang
Being the control freak like mcmahon is I'm sure he told the camera people what to do after the bell rang
@@Will_kid_cortezexactly.
@@Will_kid_cortezabsolutely
Shane was in the truck and took over at the end of the match
I'm pretty sure a lot of those camera shots, like him writing WCW in the air, was all the wrestling with shadows crew filming, and not WWF cameras.
Thank you Kev! For speaking out on Montreal screwjob woooah! Shawn vs Bret that heat I wish you would’ve been there through all the feud on RAW Shawn fight Bret.
LOVE the Bret stories.
Bret slammed the monitors in a “work” fashion too, plus doing WCW into the hard cam. Definitely a work.
It's the greatest work of all time
That's because you're a mark
@@jasonnagy2535 Me? I don’t think you know what that word means.
@@ChanceTalksBusiness Writing WCW wasn't even aired on TV, though. Pretty sure a lot of those shots are from the wrestling with shadows documentary crew, and not WWF crew.
God you people , once you hear the possibility of a conspiracy you jump on board. Without any logical thinking
Brets funny as fuck 😂😂
Wasnt a work. Destroyed Bret mentally he was never the same after that. Even before Owen died.
@CurvaGrande Owen dying destroyed him mentally. It was all over money buddy. Vince couldn't afford to compete with turner to keep brett cause he was paying huge money to shawn Austin and taker he couldn't justify it.
If you watch the whole year before they were building up to this ! Vince was coming out as owner and getting involved Bret snapped thrashed ringside equipment and attacked Vince once or twice before . even Vince at ringside was part of the script he could have called for the bell from the back or the announce desk !
In a six year span… Bret went from being on top of the wrestling world to Vince reneging on Bret’s contract and pushed him begrudgingly to WCW, the Montreal Screwjob, his storyline with WCW going nowhere, he suffered a career ending injury by Goldberg, Owen died, Pillman died, Davey died, his mother died, his father died, he went through a divorce and he had a stroke. He had to feel like he was gut punched over and over during 1997-2003.
Scott Hall always said it was a work.The cameras seemed to be in the right place at the right time.
Scott Hall thought it was a work because they showed Bret write WCW in the air. What he didn't seem to know is they never showed that on the PPV. Most people didn't see that footage till years after.
@rick2373 no he said on a different documentary that nothing happens without vinces say so and he pointed out the camera work
Not only that but brets wife at the time was calling triple h,hunter back stage.why wasn't she calling him by his real name?
@@bindelicatosame reason the boys call him Taker and not Mark. They always refer to them by nicknames.
Now that was some great insight. Never would have thought of Hart as a stoner
Bret has talked about smoking weed before. But its not something he brings up a lot. On the Adrian Adonis Episode of Dark side of the Ring, Bret talked about doing cocaine all night long with the Adrian and other veterans and talking about the business.
25 years ago the weed dealers where I lived called weed "Betty"...as in "Have you seen Betty lately?" "Is Betty here?" "Betty ran into some trouble with the cops, she won't be here." or "Betty's here, you should come over. She was asking about you..."
I remember Nash always thinking it was a work & it makes me wonder have Triple H & Shawn Michaels comfirmed it to him? Or they said it was real, but he thinks they're working him?
He said he never asked HBK because he didn't want his friend to have to lie to him.
@@raymonddiaz3783 I think Waltman said that about Shawn or HHH and I think that is stupid. I would just straight up ask? Scott Hall always brings up the WCW thing Bret did - but that was after the PPV went off the air!
Cause of.sunny they both were banging her
Hahahahaha 😂 this is the first time I laughed !!!!! Shaving cream!
Brett has always been a pro 420 guy. Not as much 4 da recreational effect which we all luv [me & Kev included] but 4 all da other benefits that were not alcohol, hard core drugs or heavy medication related with less negative side affects.
Speak'n of gonna take his 1/2" NPT x 1/2" SS swage tee which he converted into a mini pipe by installing some S/S mesh into it's body4 a spin...🤪
PS Kev, U ain't suppose 2 spray foam shave'n cream butt instead use da GEL cream, as it blocks da smoke alarm vents so much better😜
The double triple work for realz. Genius.
The first point is fantastic...the second point leads me to believe you've spent some time constructing hats out of tinfoil.
After seeing Bret cry all these years - and on the rivalries DVD - and him talking about carrying a bag of rocks around for years and finally letting go - no way it was a work. Cornette even said Vince thought he would become the babyface out of all of this.
Bret has said multiple times that wrestlers came up to him on the airplane, the dressing room, etc and told him they were gonna screw him, but people believe Vince, HHH, Shawn, and Bret all sat down and went over all of this.
That’s BS.
Bingo I agree 100%
Owen passing away ended the story. That's why Bret cries.
more evidence that the MARK can always be made.
Damn..what a bizarre world that would be where HBK and Vince are the faces and Austin is a dB trying to ruin everyone's lives and eat all their steaks...except in Canada of course
So then X7 would've been the perfect PPV of all time with Austin cucking to Vince, he finally becomes a baby face by stowing the line, doing funny skits and always paranoid his bootstraps are gonna go missing lol but still takes his ball home a few months later when Brock comes in (showing he's not in it for long haul and being selfish and a meanie to wwe) and then Cena ends up being the #1 box office draw of all time
WWE would've had a decade to build this narrative of supporting the company and the business owner and being a positive person and that airing dirty laundry and going to war against capitalism is unprofessional and has consequences
So yeah Cena would've outdrawn Austin, Rock always a bpd relationship with the fans and left (no company loyalty) and then Hogan would've been hated for his little stunt in WCW followed by shooting on Vince at 19 after 20yrs of Vinces investment
Cena would've been the only standout baby face corporate lover boy. The beacon of the model employee and WWE would be more popular than ever if Vince had been able to pull off going baby face and making everyone, including nwo and dx all look like whiny babbies who eventually get put down and the company and the owner live to see another day
...except In Canada still😂
You got worked by a guy that is about Kayfabe.
I like the old shoot interview with Kid and Kev, both pretty high discussing it possibly being a work, its on YT somewhere, good stuff!
this video was about getting stoned. hilarious.
It was 100% a work !!
Totally off topic: Not sure where to ask questions but the WWE Vault channel just released some footage of the grand opening of the WCW Nitro Grill in 1999 and Big Sexy was there. I hope they can touch on this footage and what that event was like. And also, who was the dude that got out of the limo with Nash.
The 2 iconic champs of the 90s, my 2 favorite dudes Diesel and the Hitman
Purely coincidence that the cameras stayed on and zoomed in on the faces and everything. Bret, Shawn, Vince, Hunter… they all would’ve said it’s a work by now
nda
Months before ss bret kept saying he was screwed by everyone
Cause that was his gimmick for a while.
I've never had a problem with Montreal, screws, doing a job, or work. 😎👌🏻
Greatest work of all time
Greatest work ever
It can be a "work" in the sense that a few people are in on it (i.e. Kevin Dunn, people in the truck, etc...) which would lend to the first point you made. Zoom in on Bret's face because yeah, he genuinely doesn't have a clue and if you're Vince and you're "screwing" him, why not get that face of absolute disbelief for your money shot to close a PPV? In the world of blurred kayfabe, Bret's reaction to what just happened would be the most genuine thing you could ever ask for.
Exactly. McMahon would want that face for posterity. It seems obvious.
Yes, but they kept camera on him, he could have pulled his pecker out and pissed WCW in the center of the ring for all anyone knew if it wasn't planned, keeping the camera on someone when you don't what is going to transpire next isn't really WWE's bag
Totally agree. I could see Kevin Dunn being in the know or at the very least had instructions from Vince "When the bell rings, I want you to zoom in on Bret's face." The whole "The Mr. Mcmahon character was born" thing was happenstance. There's no way they had any idea how successful the Mr. McMahon/Stone Cole feud would turn out to be.
That was a great story 😂
The longer we get from that moment in time the more I think it’s a work
I always thought if it was a work it was “the last true we got em wrestling angle” because the business was so exposed at this point and was getting more and more exposed as time went on. If it’s a work it was absolutely “one last “real”, “we got em” type shit
Fans knew that wrestling was a work but that a lot of factors like anger, jealousy, career threat or ambition, might turn it at any moment into a shoot. You couldn't get away with full kayfabe like the old days but you sure could tease the fans with the idea that things just got real. Seemed to be quite a bit of that in that era, the 'worked shoot'
The point most people miss is yes, it WAS A WORK. Vince decided what he wanted to have happen and he instructed Earl and Shawn to execute his predetermined plan. That qualifies it as a work in wrestling. What was scripted to happen, happened. WORK. The only question that remains to be answered is whether or not Bret was in on it.
It's not completely cut and dry to me. If we go with the original story... which is the only people who knew were Vince, Pat, Shawn, Hebner, and JR...then we assume it was kept from everyone else for fear of the plan getting leaked. That means cameramen, program directors, etc were just as confused and shocked as we were. The hardest piece of evidence that it was a work was the fact that they happened to be shooting a documentary at that very time. That seems pretty suspect, but again, not cut and dry for me.
JR did not know. Vince, Pat, Shawn, HHH, Hebner, Brisco are the only confirmed.
People were filming that documentary almost 2 years before it happened and they were only there because they knew it was a PPV in Montreal and Bret was near the end of his WWE run. And like other people have mentioned, the PPV went off the air right after HBK went thru the curtain and a lot of those shots afterwards of Bret were from the doc crew. And him writing WCW was never shown on WWE TV. They didn’t have one close up of Bret after the bell rung until the PPV went off the air. Why do these channels keep making stuff up to try and pretend it was a work?
That funny put shaving cream in the Hotel alarm😅
Kevin called it.
I think it's clear McMahon wanted Bret's disgusted face to be seen on television.
Also the fact that this guy that he made a sucker was going to WCW.
He somehow thought this would devalue Bret 😂
He encouraged him to go to WCW, and offered him a return deal. They wanted to make his comeback have a story involving the screwjob, but bret was forced to retire and blamed them for owens death.
@@jasonpage9986 That was the story line for the whole year . Vince was becoming a character and Bret kept getting screwed . during the rumble by Austin and before mania in a cage match . he even trashed the ringside and attacked Vince !
It wasn't a work, the camera angles were funny and the abrupt ending was never before seen on WWE before that, I remember being at a my friend's house when it happened, and instantly thought to myself something was up, and sure enough I was right, and here we are almost 30 years later still talking about the "Montreal Screwjob".
It was a Work to everyone except for Bret.
Brat is such a mark that he doesn’t even know its a work by Vince, Triple H & Shawn.
I think that's one of the best takes as there were more than 3 people who knew. Possibly Kevin Dunn in the truck knew, the time keeper, Pat and Brisco, if H knew Chyna knew.
Bret did take pride in how good he was. Better than being a mark for a disgusting sexual abuser, like you are. 🤷♂
@@donovanbradford8231 Chyna definitely wasn't always in the know
I think the only ones who knew were Vince hbk hhh and Briscoe.
Kinda like Austin walking out was a work too. And Bret knocking Vince out was a work too. Vince was just a mark and didn't get the memo.
Mr McMahons character was clearly a progression it didnt come out of the box "pre planned"
I've always looked at the Montreal Job as a work
Kevin Nash has never said one bad thing about Bret Hart. He did say some critical things about Bret about his ego but that’s normal. Bret Hart has never said one bad thing about Kevin Nash and backed him to be champion. Kevin Nash had one of his greatest matches against Bret Hart. A match that every 6 foot 6 plus wrestler should watch on how to wrestle a shorter opponent. It’s a classic.
Fucking classic.. Only misquote..
Responding to the first minute, the camera guy would go to Bret to show that he just 'tapped' and is in pain as nobody saw him tap. But obviously he just didn't tap at all, so that's why he looked confused.
it was completely different live!
In the last few years I've started to believe it was a work. Scott Hall always believed it was a work too.
None of the 3 players- Vince/Bret/Shawn have ever eluded to a work
-Also Vince would get KO’d after-
I've never heard about what Bret thought was going to be the way he left the title behind in WWF? If the match with Shawn Michaels was going to end in a DQ-schmozz sort of fashion with a bunch of interference, what was the plan (from his perspective and understanding) for how he was going to drop the belt before heading to WCW?
The next night on Raw he wanted to forfeit the title or something like that.
@@54mrys That was after Vince declined Bret dropping the title to other wrestlers.
If you watch that Wrestling with Shadows doc it was clearly a Work
Great documentary but it never definitively shows that
@@WinstonWolfe21 it doesn't need to anyway, it's wrestling. It's a work.
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@@rodzor Damn, they got you. The "blurring the lines" shtick they always talk about absolutely works. You really think it was fake, that's hilarious. 😂
McMahon claimed that after Owen died, all Bret did was complain about the Screwjob when they met shortly after. there's no way Bret would go along with that narrative play bringing his deceased brother into it suggesting he's more sensitive to the Screwjob then to his own brother's tragic death.
Summer of '92 was a straight shoot
Here's the ONLY reason I'm not 100% sure that it was a shoot: Bret knew getting screwed somehow was imminent. THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY, someone as smart as Bret would EVER let himself get into a compromising situation like he did when he let HBK reverse his sharpshooter into his own. Nope, that's the part I can't get past. Not after having time to think about it from the time the match was booked, until the actual event.
Bret punched Vince in the eye and gave him a black eye. What would be the point for Vince to try to make it seem as real as possible. He had nothing to gain.
That was the planned finish. After Shawn gets the Sharpshooter on, the "schmoz" is supposed to happen. But the bell rings so the hart foundation don't do the run-in. Owen & Bulldog were waiting in Gorilla.
The camera staying on Bret while he wrote "WCW" was the cherry on top of this conspiracy. It's a work.
they were off the air by then
Nash: Bret Hart? Never had a problem with him.
Kev and scott maintained it bring a work from the beginning
Yea but their Argumentation for it being a work has always been off
@Confucius202 not really. Kev always said the same thing about the way the cameras allowed him writing wcw in the air to be broadcasted and alot of the stuff sean brought up.
@@mikehunt8247 Nash also said that Vince wouldn't allow footage of him looking hurt after he got knocked out.
But this footage wasn't his footage, it was owned by the guys who produced the documentary. And Vince did try to stop it from being released.
As I said, the arguments from Nash and Hall were off.
I think it is the ultimate work. They will kayfabe it to the grave.
Agree ! Pretty sure Vince was like "take the money !! I am buying it soon anyway ."
nope
It already was. When Owen passed away. That's when it became real. That the story is over.
I hope even Bret's wife was in on it. "Laugh and have a few beers at the hotel" and "What goes around comes around, Hunter!"
I think you are a little stupid
Total work
It wasn’t a work. Nobody could act as mad as bret has acted for this long.
his concussion and death of his brother changed him
It doesn't make any sense it being a work. Why would Bret go along with it if he was leaving the company and no longer on the payroll? And why would the Undertaker and Shawn Michael's still be lying about it?
Vince offered him a return deal before leaving. They built the storyline for his return, made him sign an NDA, but he suffered brain injury in WCW, and was forced to retire. He blamed WWE for Ownes death.
@jasonpage9986 There's dozens of wrestlers and office people that were involved that have no reason to lie. Unless Vince was keeping it at secret from all of them. What reason would The Undertaker, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Ken Shamrock, Mick Foley, Jim Cornette, Bruce Pritchard, Vince Russso, etc, etc, etc, continue to lie about it 20 years later when every single other thing that's happened in wrestling over the last 40 years has been talked about as nauseum. But for some reason, that's the only thing that everyone, most of whom dinner like each other or get along, stays covered up.
@@ralphiecifaretto8961 Yeah they had every reason to lie. Those who knew are gagged from telling truth by NDA. To ensure Bret leaves WCW in 3 years and the storyline continues. If you rewatch, Bret was in on it, he's playing along still in character, smashing up the annonce tables.. If WCW would have found out they were going to build a storyline for his return from their product, it could jeopardize him signing. It means word could not get out. Why is Vince front and center at ringside to receive the spit? Vince sure is building a script regardless if Bret was in on it. Does Vince want Bret to hit him? is it good for the storyline? Bret was forewarned by his own locker room it was going to happen, he knew it was plan A or plan B, regardless. Bret should have even given Vince credit for that genius script of having him return back their to avenge what Vince did to him, and make him an even bigger face than he ever was.
@jasonpage9986 Complete and utter Bullshit! There's ZERO chance something like that would have been kept a secret that long. With all the Chatty Kathy's around that. You really think Jim Cornette would stay quiet about it? Or Vince Russo? Nothing was gained by anyone involved. It made everyone look bad and it didn't help the company in any way. There's no way The Undertaker would still be lying about it. Or Mick Foley. Or Bret Hart himself. If they was ever a time Bret was in on it, like you claim, he would have let the cat out of the bag when his brother died.
@@jasonpage9986 You're insane. It wasn't a work.
When I was a kid, I heard about the Montreal Screwjob after it happened, I didn't see it, and it really reminded me of WrestleMania 12, how Bret Hart kinda got screwed out of that title match at the end, and I have always thought it was an extension of what happened during that match. I haven't been this much into wrestling in around 20 years, and listening to y'all on RUclips, feels really cool. There is a new version of kayfabe, there has to be, and you guys seem to be giving away the old secrets of kayfabe because they don't work anymore. Thanks!
Bret: I'm fooked
I think people forget Nash Bret and hall were all buddies and hung out together outside the biz it’s prob why st one point they might have wanted him to be part of the kliq thing they had
I never knew Bret smoked bud 😂
NO WAY VINCE LET IT GO ON WITHOUT HIS SAY SO
At this point, If you don't think it's a work you need to stop watching wrestling.
There is a good documentary on RUclips in Brets contract he had creative control for the last 30 day's of his time at end of his contract or he jumped ship so they couldn't job him out to being worthless. So a work maybe.
Oh my god I'm fuckin crying i was not expecting that dumb ass high story that's gold
The camera being zoomed in on Bret's face was a total Vince call. They wanted to get his guttural reaction, period.
People are saying it wasn't a work because bret was heartbroken afterwards🤣 can't go against that sorta concrete evidence
U could've been working me, but as far as keeping up with u. That shit u talked about your son I connected with bc I had sort of the same experience. So I watched a lil harder n respected some shit u said. I believed in myself the whole time so I think I can still make shit happen at the same time tryna be a realist. Yk get in where u fit in.
I'm not sure why the point of the cameras zooming in on Brett after the match has anything to do with the possibility of Brett being in on it. Kevin Dunn definitely knew the screw job was going to happen because it was a live ppv. Vince didn't know what was going to happen after he called for the bell so you knew damn well the camera truck will be ready for anything.
I think he only real rason why people still think it was a work is because how can someone as exeperienced as Brett, who was also the Son of a promoter, not see it coming? Could you imagine Brett telling Stu he is leaving the promotion and saying he isn't going to drop the title at his last big event?
I don't even blame Brett for not putting Shawn over but somebody had to. Looking back at it, I'm a little amazed Brett thought it would fly to not drop the belt at his last ppv and then just hand it over tbe next night.
You can tell that the Montreal screwjob bothers bret more then owens death 😂
Oh Bred Hart is a 420 smoker?
Sean is such a mark.
Scott Hall thought it was a work. He said it on multiple occasions. RIP bad guy 😢
Scott was a brilliant mind. But his problem was he thought EVERYTHING was a work.
I wonder why my comment about Bobby The Brain Heenan and the survivor series 92 Bret vs Shawn match keeps getting deleted 🤷♂️
The match is on RUclips.
Start it at 25 minutes and watch through 25 minutes and 25 seconds and listen to Bobby Heenan.
I believe that's where Montreal screwjob came from.
Call that an oxymoron if u want
Always thought it was a work . Too many angles just focused on Bret .
What are they gonna look at he was center of the ring on his own lol
I just don't see Vince letting Bret do the WCW to the camera if it was a work.
It is a work. So is the latest series on netflix. its the best work of all time.
100% work.
It’s been established that Shane was in the truck.
The only way it's a work is if Bret is the greatest actor of all time. Because he has maintained the same level of emotion over a quarter of a century later.
Do you mean like a wrestler living the gimmick into old age?
Lol the Shaving cream in the Alarm is a Lit move for sure 😂 Hitman and Diesel super high is classic. Love these stories of og wrestlers from the good ole days
lol what emotion? “Those big jerks really screwed me”. Didn’t he appear on Wwe tv about ten years later? And even had a match with Vince. Now he’s a hall of famer with half his extended family on the roster. Cmon. He literally was an actor too.
I can’t imagine him ever forgiving them if they actually fucked him over and he hated them as much as he said, only then to go on to be responsible for his brother’s death.
@@kd2453 whenever Bret speaks about the screwjob he gets very emotional
Cameras are always backstage and everywhere. It's not rocket science to put the camera on Bret as he didn't tap out.
I love how Nash gave Pac a hard time for meeting Bret on his own in Germany but it’s ok for him to get high with Bret 😂
I never had an issue with Bret or HBK
God i wish Nash would finish a sentence quicker sometimes but i never had a problem with Kevin Nash
I never had a problem with the Montreal screwjob
It was the biggest Work ever and Mabel was the 3rd Man.
Their Headphones are the same size.
Not to mention isn't it illegal to record people without them knowing like Bret did to Vince for that movie.
Hannibal!!!!! 💪🏼
@@TheHannibalTV lmao you think you've cracked the case