@@LEDs Really looking forwards to this, it's super refreshing to see people share creations they developed instead of taking credit for stuff they found online Keep it up, this platform really needs more people like you right now
could you possibly make a follow up video showing the map in action on you’re server? Would love to see all that work you put in play out in a real match!
Possibly. I have to move into a new house for a bit tomorrow so I might not have time, but I'll try to hop on once everything's set up and see if anybody's on. I wouldn't count on it though, unfortunately 😢
Transparent pixels on images still store color data. The blue halo effect you see on textures with transparent parts is because those transparent pixels are still blue and when the game engine smoothes out the pixelated texture it draws from the colors of nearby pixels and grabs the blue. To fix this, color the transparent pixels with something like the average color of the rest of the texture and then make them transparent again. Edit: oh somebody beat me to it. Don't use black for the transparent pixels because it can create a black halo/outline effect. Use a color that matches the rest of the texture.
you've done a great job! i love how the textures and geometry blend together way less on source than on goldsrc. also congrats for the 1k subs, and for 2k soon! also the mic quality is so good, really pleasing to hear
I'd love to see mappers take the layout of old maps like this, and recreate them in TF2's style. I know that's well beyond what you have time for, but I thought I'd float the idea.
Not sure if you know this, but VTFedit has a batch converter. You can put all the textures in a folder and convert everything within that folder at the same time, WAY easier than doing them one by one. I wish I knew that long ago.
Im so happy I came across this video! A couple years ago i tried to import the half life blue shift maps into gmod and i ran into some issues with how the map was converted, leading to most textures not lining up correctly with the level geometry. I just converted the maps using the method you described in this video and the texture data seems to have properly carried over! I know it wasn’t your intent to make a tutorial, but this video just helped me a lot!
In not going to be able to play this but it's still really cool to see something like this. I wonder what other maps could be ported from older games. Probably too much ask but still a thought. Interested in seeing what's next and it's cool to see some tf2 youtubers. As bad as some can be this game and community is something else.
ctf map where the enemy intels are next to eachother and separated by glass, so that both sides can look into their intel of course, the routes to each intel should still be long
Great job LED! I am sure people who had beautiful memories of the original dustbowl are thankful that people like you can make these maps come to life with enhanced lightening and access through Team Fortress 2. Good job!
@@LEDs wow very nice to hear you updating it, keep up the great work man! And i realised there is a tfc 2fort remake for tf2 on the workshop. Tho i would subscribe to yours too if you make.
You should most likely add fog to the map. It is great for concealing visible renderings and may also be used to optimise a map. I'm not a mapmaker. I only found out about it via l4d2 map designs.
I still play TFC to this day so this project is very warming to me. Really big props to hard work like this. A full map conversion from one game to another is a massive feat. So cool to have an accolade like that under the belt. Great work.
Having not known there was a classic version of Dustbowl, but playing a ton of TF2, it is kind of crazy seeing the classic version and how even some minor differences probably changes how various areas would play
I love this, Ive always been interested in map design in video games something about it has always peaked my interest and because of your videos im finally looking into it and maybe one day I will be able to make my own map
There are so many ideas out there, but so few people who execute them. That’s one of the reasons why I created this channel! I feel that there is so much potential out there that nobody else provides, so I’d like to act as that medium
The mere fact that you used Hammer is reason enough for respect lol, that thing can make anyone insane just trying to figure out why it doesn't work sometimes xD. Last time I tried to do something with Hammer, was like 8 years ago.
@@LEDs Well the only sad part is, when I joined your server to try the map itself, no one was playing. So that was just a bummer, but the map itself felt great and very nostalgic
It's amazing that it should be kept as an official mod for all those who want to play Team Fortress Classic on the same Team Fortress 2. All that's needed is the TFC skins.
I had a map idea several years ago of turning upward into a Payload tug of war map. Where each team can attempt to push the payload to the other base to win. Tho I could never figure out spawn rooms.
Idea: fortress forever (tf2 mod so you just need to port the map and textures and not deal with the extra goldsrc to source conversion stuff) version of 2fort
I respect the vision and effort. Making stuff is already hard by itself, so making stuff in the hammer editor from older source versions, sign me out haha
This is amazingly well done, thouh it'd likely be annoying to play with TF2's balance, it's neat to see ladders get phased out for ramps, and it's enjoyable seeing the familiarity between the two maps, if I played this without knowing it was dustbowl, I'd likely pick up on it soon enough.
It’s without a doubt super unbalanced. TF2ms mechanics are way different than TFC, which is part of the reason why we see so many changes today. Thanks for seeing it as well done, I spent a lot of work on it and it makes me glow to see comments like yours 💡
A TFC Dustbowl port has actually been made before. Back in 2010-2011, I played on a modded server which introduced many TFC, Fortress Forever, and Quake maps into tf2. Grenades, maps, gamemodes, this server had it all, including a port of dustbowl! What would truly be interesting though, is making a Quake 1 version of dustbowl, as such a thing doesn't exist (yet)
This is correct. This came to my attention sometime after uploading this video. I actually looked at one of them in-game. Could you share with me a link to the Quake 1 version of dustbowl? I can't find it.
A map I've dreamed of having in tf2 would be Wuhu island from Wii sports as a sort of payload map, but I have no idea if this would be possible and it would take super long to make.
It absolutely is possible, I loved Wii Sports Resort! Unfortunately it would take a really long time to make. Maybe one day, but I wouldn’t count on it. Thanks for the sub though! 💙💚♥️
This is cool... a desert themed dustbowl (that was made before the TF2 dustbowl) that I'd personally call something like sandbowl (for the desert looking theme to it instead of dust and dirt in dustbowl) or sandstorm (if the name isn't being used yet)
0_0 Wow, it's really awesome job, pal. I don't have any word for describe how it's cool Good luck in youtube. I think, you one this guy who make something new, something interesting and something awesome 👏
One thing, I always wanted to do is make a map with a lot of fog like so much that you can only see like 128 units ahead of you, I've tried making it, but creating a new map from scratch would take too long for this joke and using an already existing TF2 map with a full compile takes waaaaaaay too long with my laptop.
For the Half-Life 1 textures, they are already included in Half-Life Source pre-converted, meaning that converting them from a TGA to VTF is redundant.
Imagine for tf2's birthday, they have an event where they release classic maps for tf2 (in the anniversary section during the event) and rerelease old forgotten hats back into tf2. Hat's from tf2's early days and even better; a chance to get a stupid rare hat or item drop from the crate if you're lucky. Stuff like: 1-time release promo hats valve owns. Items from a code. Spell Potions. Items from past events that were released very few times. And every single one will have the "Team Fortress 2 Anniversary" logo on the icon to let you know it's a recreation. So don't worry about your stupid rare hat being worthless, this logo will cover that ;)
Very cool! I'm trying to make a tf2 tribute of the tfc map "palermo". Originally, this map is attack/defend, like Avanti, but I made it a payload map. It's still in it's "dev texture" phase, and it probably need a lot of polishing, but it's playable.
maaaan, i should've done this, considering I devised a way to port the old tf2 maps from the OG QWTF, which was even harder since vtfedit couldn't read the textures and I had to use even more old Quake 1 texture programs to extract them. I got pretty much all of it except the scrolling sky textures that were special to Quake 1. I've ported things like the original 2fort5, Endif, and ztricks, but I haven't done anything else from that. Either way, nice job man, I also remember having lighting issues when I was porting Endif. It was hard for me to continue working on it.
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That feeling of pure joy when the "I made" youtuber actually did make something themself
I’m gonna make plenty more stuff moving fourth! And I might even make videos or streams showcasing live map tests with the community
@@LEDs Really looking forwards to this, it's super refreshing to see people share creations they developed instead of taking credit for stuff they found online
Keep it up, this platform really needs more people like you right now
I'm so glad the tf2 mapping community still has a presence on youtube, keep up the good work!
Thanks! Much appreciated!
I've got a great idea; Nightrock (Mossrock but night, and since Mossrock is in a jungle, I'm certain it'd be almost pitch black)
Oooo sounds cool, definitely adding that to my list!
could you possibly make a follow up video showing the map in action on you’re server? Would love to see all that work you put in play out in a real match!
Possibly. I have to move into a new house for a bit tomorrow so I might not have time, but I'll try to hop on once everything's set up and see if anybody's on. I wouldn't count on it though, unfortunately 😢
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Transparent pixels on images still store color data. The blue halo effect you see on textures with transparent parts is because those transparent pixels are still blue and when the game engine smoothes out the pixelated texture it draws from the colors of nearby pixels and grabs the blue. To fix this, color the transparent pixels with something like the average color of the rest of the texture and then make them transparent again.
Edit: oh somebody beat me to it. Don't use black for the transparent pixels because it can create a black halo/outline effect. Use a color that matches the rest of the texture.
you've done a great job! i love how the textures and geometry blend together way less on source than on goldsrc. also congrats for the 1k subs, and for 2k soon! also the mic quality is so good, really pleasing to hear
I'm glad you like the new mic! Thank you for the wonderful comment!
I would say just play fortress forever if it weren't dead as the dinosaurs
I already have a video idea in store for that game 😜
I'd love to see mappers take the layout of old maps like this, and recreate them in TF2's style. I know that's well beyond what you have time for, but I thought I'd float the idea.
The thing is: there aren’t that many old maps. A supermajority of the maps we see in TF2 were made after TFC
Wow. The dedication for this map recreation
Dustbowl... Hallowed Be Thy Name...
Not sure if you know this, but VTFedit has a batch converter. You can put all the textures in a folder and convert everything within that folder at the same time, WAY easier than doing them one by one. I wish I knew that long ago.
Thanks for letting me know
Im so happy I came across this video! A couple years ago i tried to import the half life blue shift maps into gmod and i ran into some issues with how the map was converted, leading to most textures not lining up correctly with the level geometry. I just converted the maps using the method you described in this video and the texture data seems to have properly carried over! I know it wasn’t your intent to make a tutorial, but this video just helped me a lot!
Wow, I’m glad you were able to follow along and port something over for yourself!
Another thing is many tools for goldsource is that many things that you have to use for modding is very VERY old and could have issues with new pcs.
Alright I'm going to subscribe now. I've seen some pretty good stuff from here. And I know it's only going to get better. Sometimes that is.
In not going to be able to play this but it's still really cool to see something like this. I wonder what other maps could be ported from older games. Probably too much ask but still a thought. Interested in seeing what's next and it's cool to see some tf2 youtubers. As bad as some can be this game and community is something else.
@@AlienFan25 This comment means a lot to me. Thank you 🙏
ctf map where the enemy intels are next to eachother and separated by glass, so that both sides can look into their intel
of course, the routes to each intel should still be long
that'd be pretty sick
So basically like a big ring, with both teams’ spawn points directly next to each other but separated by that glass wall?
Great job LED! I am sure people who had beautiful memories of the original dustbowl are thankful that people like you can make these maps come to life with enhanced lightening and access through Team Fortress 2.
Good job!
Appreciate it! 💙💚❤️
Ya know with the name led i think he should have a catch phrase: EAT LED!!!
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I’ve been missing TF2 mapping on youtube since UEAK left. Also this reminds me of 3kliksphilips video about porting CS 1.6’s map nuke to CS:GO.
I just made a discord server! Join here: discord.gg/GMVayc4r
2.500 Subscribes ! ^^ +1
By the way some times update it map. Like TF2. :-)
@@C.A._Old I’ve already updated it twice, and I’ll put out another update some time
I subscribed directly, plays tfc and does source level design, like me :) man tfc is better than tf2 for me! I love it so much.
@@LEDs wow very nice to hear you updating it, keep up the great work man! And i realised there is a tfc 2fort remake for tf2 on the workshop. Tho i would subscribe to yours too if you make.
You should most likely add fog to the map. It is great for concealing visible renderings and may also be used to optimise a map. I'm not a mapmaker. I only found out about it via l4d2 map designs.
It didn’t even cross my mind, thanks for letting me know and I’ll try adding it in to the next patch!
I still play TFC to this day so this project is very warming to me. Really big props to hard work like this. A full map conversion from one game to another is a massive feat. So cool to have an accolade like that under the belt. Great work.
Much appreciated!
This is absolutely phenomenal, anything you do is amazing with many details from the original, BLOODY BRILLIANT!
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i love how everyone is so confused about tfc's dustbowl when i just basically grew up with it.
good job mate :3
6:24 an alternative could have been turrets but getting it working probably was better as TFC does not quite have uber
wow, now all it needs (it doesn't need to be you, if you don't want to) is getting "refined"
Perhaps if Valve tells me they want this map to be added to the game as an April Fools joke or something, I would go all out
@@LEDs lmao
was in my recommended. Good video. Subbed!
Thank you man, I'm grateful for the sub!
Having not known there was a classic version of Dustbowl, but playing a ton of TF2, it is kind of crazy seeing the classic version and how even some minor differences probably changes how various areas would play
When you’re used to one thing for many years, it seems like the slightest details are game-changing.
Oscar alert Oscar alert this is not a drill we wo we wo
I love this, Ive always been interested in map design in video games something about it has always peaked my interest and because of your videos im finally looking into it and maybe one day I will be able to make my own map
i actually had an idea of doing this, but you have executed it. congratulations!
There are so many ideas out there, but so few people who execute them. That’s one of the reasons why I created this channel! I feel that there is so much potential out there that nobody else provides, so I’d like to act as that medium
I did a super cool 2fort jump that I don't think has been done before!
Oh god... the chokepoints...
Nice work! Cant fathom how much work went into this.
It took a lot of work, but I should be more time efficient with my next project!
Amazing! I wonder how original dustbowl would have looked like if it made it to the final game.
Probably something more similar along the lines of Egypt, if you ask me
The mere fact that you used Hammer is reason enough for respect lol, that thing can make anyone insane just trying to figure out why it doesn't work sometimes xD.
Last time I tried to do something with Hammer, was like 8 years ago.
The worst part is working diagonally.
Why is this so underrated?!
Don't know, but I'm glad you think it is!
Man, it's fun to see some port maps to Source and run into the seame walls that I ran into :D
Whilst I would have liked it to have the modern TF textures, this project is insane! I knew map editing was hard but this just looks brain melting
At times it was… I think the modern TF2 textures would look a bit wack because they’re more detailed and this map’s geometry is very blocky
Man, that looks insane! Keep up the good work my guy, enjoyed every minute of this video.
Every minute? Wow, thanks!
@@LEDs Well the only sad part is, when I joined your server to try the map itself, no one was playing. So that was just a bummer, but the map itself felt great and very nostalgic
@@Thosyu897 Sorry about that, I wish I was able to put bots on it but they wouldn't work because of the ladders.
It feels so surreal seeing the TFC map geometry with the TF2 lighting.
I know, right
It's amazing that it should be kept as an official mod for all those who want to play Team Fortress Classic on the same Team Fortress 2. All that's needed is the TFC skins.
Wow, I havent played this in ages! I used to play dustbowl 11 years ago. Thank you for making this, it looks beautiful in Source Engine.
You're Welcome! I'd give it another go, for nostalgia purposes.
@@LEDs If you plan to update the map, I would recommend polishing the brushes on the door on the first point (1st stage) I got stucked on the wall
@@Orang3Eric yeah I saw that earlier, gotta put it on my to-do list
the beta version of tf2's dustbowl actually followed this layout a lot with some variation
Wow. . . This is amazing, You're amazing. Nice work dude.
And you’re amazing for saying that. Thank you!
I had a map idea several years ago of turning upward into a Payload tug of war map. Where each team can attempt to push the payload to the other base to win. Tho I could never figure out spawn rooms.
This video came out TWO weeks ago and you already have 3000 subscribers! Good job , mate! 👍
this kinds gives me the idea to remake this map into TF2 but keeping the classic vibe.
That would be neat!
As a pro dustbowler I am hella impressed. Looks so sick
“Pro dustbowler,” ily no homo
Good job on it man! Now everybody is gonna be playing it and thanking you for it!
Thanks! I hope people enjoy giving it a run, despite how horribly balanced it may be 😂
Add decorations and make it look more tf2 and POW! Good map
Idea: fortress forever (tf2 mod so you just need to port the map and textures and not deal with the extra goldsrc to source conversion stuff) version of 2fort
The fact that you spent all this efforts just for a 1,000 subscriber special is just impressive, that gets a sub from me amazing work my guy
Much love, brother
I respect the vision and effort.
Making stuff is already hard by itself, so making stuff in the hammer editor from older source versions, sign me out haha
It can get really frustrating when you hit roadblocks, but it TOTALLY pays off in the end when all’s finished
heres a bad idea for a map; flip the entire map of dustbowl upside down but it still works like a attack defense map
It wouldn’t work for an outdoor map, but I saw a clip where somebody did that for 2fort.
Something I've always had a thought about: turning Surface Tension from HL1 into a KotH map.
This was an absolute bloom for your content!
Hope this blows up so people play it on community servers and we can see how it plays.
I’m gonna see if I can squeeze in some time tomorrow evening to get some gameplay on the server (if it’s populated)
I was completely unaware this video wasn't from a channel with 50K+ subs, incredible quality! Keep up the great work!
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Wow that’s a lot of effort to put into porting this old map. Good job!
it's pretty sick any of these ported maps exist. imagine porting several, like there is in garry's mod workshop.
Great job! It's cool to see so much passion
Thanks!
This is amazingly well done, thouh it'd likely be annoying to play with TF2's balance, it's neat to see ladders get phased out for ramps, and it's enjoyable seeing the familiarity between the two maps, if I played this without knowing it was dustbowl, I'd likely pick up on it soon enough.
It’s without a doubt super unbalanced. TF2ms mechanics are way different than TFC, which is part of the reason why we see so many changes today. Thanks for seeing it as well done, I spent a lot of work on it and it makes me glow to see comments like yours 💡
A TFC Dustbowl port has actually been made before. Back in 2010-2011, I played on a modded server which introduced many TFC, Fortress Forever, and Quake maps into tf2. Grenades, maps, gamemodes, this server had it all, including a port of dustbowl!
What would truly be interesting though, is making a Quake 1 version of dustbowl, as such a thing doesn't exist (yet)
This is correct. This came to my attention sometime after uploading this video. I actually looked at one of them in-game.
Could you share with me a link to the Quake 1 version of dustbowl? I can't find it.
@@LEDs Q1 dustbowl doesn't exist. It needs to be made
But there was never a version of Dustbowl in the original quake mod
With the amount of effort you went into creating dusbowl from tfc, you deserve more subs
Appreciate that man 😄
A map I've dreamed of having in tf2 would be Wuhu island from Wii sports as a sort of payload map, but I have no idea if this would be possible and it would take super long to make.
also cool content, earned a sub
It absolutely is possible, I loved Wii Sports Resort! Unfortunately it would take a really long time to make. Maybe one day, but I wouldn’t count on it. Thanks for the sub though! 💙💚♥️
Best part of this video is that he used steam workshop search and expected to find something
Your gonna reach 2k soon bro
Maybe, you never know what the YT algorithm has in store, but thanks for the comment 😀
10/10 will visit your server right now
The lighting makes it looks much nicer
Yup, that's the biggest difference
I hope we someday get Team Fortress 3 with TFC stuff on new source engine a
It'd be cool if there was a TFC playlist
@@LEDs Yes.
Hyrule PL/CP is something I've wanted to see for many years, the Hyrule map is my favorite thing on tf2
What is that?
@@LEDs my replies to this keep being deleted for some reason
@@Abyssalith Try joining my discord, I have a suggestions channel where we can talk further about any ideas you may have.
I would like to see a version of classic dustbowl but with modern TF2 textures
it wouldve been cool to see you playing with ppl on it at the end
I did this in last night’s event. Join my discord to be a part of them.
It looks sooo good
classic dustbowl on source engine brings me starwars vibes
I can definitely tell that you're going to grow big one day. This was video was well made. Keep up the great work
This comment means a lot to me… I appreciate that 💙💚♥️
This is cool... a desert themed dustbowl (that was made before the TF2 dustbowl) that I'd personally call something like sandbowl (for the desert looking theme to it instead of dust and dirt in dustbowl) or sandstorm (if the name isn't being used yet)
I call it “dustbit” due to the low graphics, lol
It looks awesome! Great job
i've been thinking about this but in the opposite direction! i've wondered how tf2's 2fort would fair in TFC
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Wow, it's really awesome job, pal. I don't have any word for describe how it's cool
Good luck in youtube. I think, you one this guy who make something new, something interesting and something awesome
👏
Wow, I appreciate that comment! Forever thankful for your support!
4:20 that part really really looks like goldrush
So much respect man, great work.
Thanks!
You should set up a discord server! That way you can ping when you want people to join the tf2 one
That actually sounds like a great idea!
@@LEDs I can help you set it up if you add me! Void&Null#6152
Fun to play test!
I finally got myself a laptop so for once I can actually play this
Sounds great!
So now I know why something is wrong in your server but hey nice job
Also here's a suggestion
Why not create a map based on sky scraper roofs
I actually already have an idea for that! No spoilers, though!
@@LEDs coincidence
Very well done Sir! Congrats :D
Thanks!
Wow, good job!
this reminds me of the time 3kilksflip ported 1.6 Nuke to CS:GO.
One thing, I always wanted to do is make a map with a lot of fog like so much that you can only see like 128 units ahead of you, I've tried making it, but creating a new map from scratch would take too long for this joke and using an already existing TF2 map with a full compile takes waaaaaaay too long with my laptop.
Interesting idea, I might have to experiment with that…
For the Half-Life 1 textures, they are already included in Half-Life Source pre-converted, meaning that converting them from a TGA to VTF is redundant.
I didn’t know this at the time. I’d go about this differently if I were to do it over today
@@LEDsremade it at 100 000 subs
Yo dude it looks like its made in source 3 man. Wonderful
That black square do be cursed
Hehehe
Imagine for tf2's birthday, they have an event where they release classic maps for tf2 (in the anniversary section during the event) and rerelease old forgotten hats back into tf2.
Hat's from tf2's early days and even better; a chance to get a stupid rare hat or item drop from the crate if you're lucky. Stuff like: 1-time release promo hats valve owns. Items from a code. Spell Potions. Items from past events that were released very few times.
And every single one will have the "Team Fortress 2 Anniversary" logo on the icon to let you know it's a recreation. So don't worry about your stupid rare hat being worthless, this logo will cover that ;)
Wow the effort that you put in this thing is huge definitely worth a sub!
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Fine, the new mic is noticeable differently xD
And congratulations! 🥳
I’m glad you noticed! And thank you!
Very cool! I'm trying to make a tf2 tribute of the tfc map "palermo". Originally, this map is attack/defend, like Avanti, but I made it a payload map. It's still in it's "dev texture" phase, and it probably need a lot of polishing, but it's playable.
I'd love to see this map in Halo Infinite when the forge mode comes out 😄
this is amazing, now you should make a updated version of it...
This will be TFC in 2004
maaaan, i should've done this, considering I devised a way to port the old tf2 maps from the OG QWTF, which was even harder since vtfedit couldn't read the textures and I had to use even more old Quake 1 texture programs to extract them.
I got pretty much all of it except the scrolling sky textures that were special to Quake 1. I've ported things like the original 2fort5, Endif, and ztricks, but I haven't done anything else from that.
Either way, nice job man, I also remember having lighting issues when I was porting Endif. It was hard for me to continue working on it.
You seem like an intelligent dude!
cool project man!
earned a sub