Your video on the brown gas generator was very interesting. I am from Bangladesh, a predominantly agriculture based economy, urea is abundant and cheap here. Farmers need electricity for irrigation purpose and more and more are trying to use solar but the cost of panel and battery is still prohibitive. I looked around to see if the h2 gas generated can be used a fuel source, of course they can be used in ICE or h2 fuel cell but i was looking for something cheaper and simpler(no moving parts). I came across Ni-h2 batteries/fuel cells used in old spacecrafts however it seems it's a pressurised system. I also found some fuel cell design uses heat rather than precious/exotic metal as catalyst. That looked promising because sunlight is available through out the year.But still, their manufacturing seemed intricate. I know you have a lot of ideas floating inside your mind, but please give some thoughts on heat/solar h2 fuel cell designs without exotic materials. As always I am absolutely amazed at your curiosity, knowledge and dedication.
The question is will an ICE convert enough energy to electricity to drive such a cell to fuel the ICE? With the inefficiencies of such a configuration, my guess is no. As you have pointed out, there must be more efficient methods to convert the energy locked in urea to create electricity and water. However, this is not free energy as there is energy required to make urea, so in effect you are using urea as the energy transport medium. The most efficient way to transport energy is through electricity transmission lines bypassing any inefficiencies in making and transporting urea then converting it back to electricity again.
@@BenMitro when you say ICE don't just presume a "reciprocating" ICE or a rotary "Wankel", there is another rotary ICE ... it's called a turbine and because it doesn't reciprocate it's WAY more efficient ... about double in most cases. In addition "normal" or "Faraday" electrolysis is NOT very efficient. Research on Google for Stan Meyers who, years ago drove a modified Beetle across the US on NOTHING but H2O. His method/s involved "tuned" resonance of pulsed, much higher voltage which released volumes of H & O at phenomenal rates, WAY, WAY, WAY faster than Robert had in his two beakers/flasks/tubes. There are LOTS of videos on RUclips of people who use his method/s. The use of mesh (and possibly carbon felt also) with Stan Meyer's resonant circuit may well produce even more rapid production with just water, still at much lower energy.
Unfortunately Mr Stan Mayer was a scammer. I did deep dive in his patents and history. Even when patents went public nobody was able to replicate his results. A really sad story
One major drawback we experienced with high volume gas generation was bubble adhesion. To obtain and maintain efficiency, not only do you need the surface area, but also a way to prevent the bubbles from remaining adhered to their surfaces, which, unfortunately, begins choking out the flow of water and electrolyte, causing production to drop off.
When I first saw it, I thought you'd put it all in graphene ink! Am I right in thinking that the stainless steel mesh will eventually dissolve on one side and get thicker on the other, if so, do you just reverse the electrodes periodically?
One idea I had years ago was a hybrid gas/electric oven, which burned hydrogen to cook, but you produced the hydrogen on site with electricitty. So you'd have the advantages of a flame stove, but it could run on electricity.
I am playing with this idea in my head too, for off grid purposes. Even go as far as using the hydrogen for refrigeration, and the generated water for consumption. I am not in a rush, and still have a lot of theory to look at before I try a small scale test setup. But I find the idea very appealing too.
Although you have separated the anode and cathode into chambers using that bridge, there is a still a major problem. Collecting that hydrogen is very difficult because you cannot have ANY kind of back pressure on the gas coming out of the chamber or else it will force the water down, through the bridge and out of the anode side. You MIGHT be able to bubble the hydrogen though shallow water and collect it in a very small container using water displacement. The best way to achieve gas separation is PEM technology. You have a rigid solid membrane between the two half-cells and you can exert a great deal of pressure on either side (or both) to fill a balloon or even compress the gas into a cylinder to some degree (no pump needed!) A straight Nafion barrier between the hall cells would suffice to separating the gases and allowing collection, but then you sill need an electrolyte (that won't damage the Nafion). And, of course, a PEM cell (that also uses the Nafion) but has the platinum and iridium electrodes pressed right up against the membrane (MEA), is the ultimate solution and requires no electrolyte (the Nafion acts as the mechanical barrier AND electrolyte in this cell).
as a child we used to charge lorry batteries and put milk bottles inverted on top of cells, then put bottles on ground and ignite them a lovely blue flame and a bang. Even then we knew that oxygen improved the burn, so one can assume that oxygen would assist the burning of hydrogen thus increasing energy being produced.
See also reference on S1R9A9M9 and his Briggs 18HP mower engine that ran on water 2008. 2 RUclips videos - run videos at slow speed . 10 amps through zero ohms spark plug along with water in carb forms water vapor pressure and hydrogen gas. Battery start, battery removed. Alternator runs conversion circuit. His 1978 El Camino car v8 got 18MPG on water for 3000 miles before locked up in storage. Circuit used 400watt inverter and diode to 2MH dual coils relay per cylinder and 6-7amps current. Web site shut down. 4kohm resistor can be removed only from same reach Champion spark plugs.
The nitrogen could be converted into nitric acid by diverting it to a tall column containing solar power spark apparatus and have the dilute nitric acid condense and collected at the bottom of the column.
Brilliant idea using two jars to separate the gasses at source. I think you could go further and make it more efficient by putting many tubes between so the ions have line of sight from anode to cathode, or vice versa. In order to make sure the gasses did not mix half way up the jar (where there are more tubes) you could use slightly U shaped connecting tubes so that rising gasses were diverted from the center of the connecting tube. That would give much more liquid contact, thus increasing ion transfer. It sounds confusing trying to write it. If you don't understand let me know and I'll get a diagram to you.
Absolutely loved the video. HHO mini torch, wire coat hanger, tiny piece of precious metals (platinum) out of a car catalytic convertor. Hypersensitive solar panels, I can't bring them to the top of my head right now but I think they might have been photovoltaic cells. I saw it on a channel a couple of years a go but the channel disappeared but once the platinum begun to glow it allowed thy guy to turn his torch right down to next to nothing but the actual platinum looked like it was burning as bright as the sun. Fantastic work you're doing and I hope what I've written drives your curiosity to see what can be potentially done with it. The wire coat hanger is to suspend the platinum on. When he surrounded it with the solar sensitive cells he used a plastic fish bowl because it didn't give of any significant thermal energy to the surrounding area. Have a great day.
Hi Robert. What materials would you choose for electrodes if electrode durability is the goal. I don't care about efficiency and just need enough gas for a jewellery torch but don't want to have to continually change electrodes or use expensive materials or materials that are not abundantly available.
How are you handling the creation of hexavalent coming from the stainless steel? I thought that was a show stopper for using stainless in an electrolysis cell.
The point about the carbon felt is that it conducts electricity. You can get very fine stainless mesh which has the look and feel pf woven cloth, that might be a better alternative.
Thanks Robert.👍 I also was about to ask for gas separation, but already knew how to alter the construction. Nevertheless, fast as a flash you came up with such improvement, plus even more.⚡😄 I'm curious about your next brilliant mental sparks, jumping right to your next upload. 🤓 Difficult to keep up with all of these inspiring contributions from my subscribed channels... 🤩
I have followed the Brown's Gas generation development for more than a few years. I saw somewhere recently that the law of diminishing returns takes over at about 3 volts or so in the production of gas (I think in terms of fuel), and that it serves better to amplify the Amperage while dropping the Voltage. I'd be pleased to hear your thoughts on the subject.
That's what neutral plates are for -- increasing generation surface at each plate, and lowering the voltage for each plate current has to pass through.
In my place is cheaper to buy stainless steel mesh for colanders and sieves, it should be also a better option for surface area and it's even easier to work with
Is the black coloration caused by particles of carbon breaking away from the felt? Years ago I built an electrolysis cell using carbon electrodes and they didn't last very long at all. An easier construction would be to have a vertical plastic pipe containing the hydrogen electrode suspended in a bowl of electrolyte, this pipe would have a stopped end on the top to which you can attach the take-off pipe, as per the original video. The other electrode would be suspended in the electrolyte as before.
Presumably, you will have to top up the urea concentration periodically. So what is the best method for monitoring concentration? Will it be the increase in Oxygen production, or the reduction of Nitrogen at the second electrode? Or is there a simple way of measuring urea concentration? Thanks Robert.
You are an inspiration to everyone of us, keep on doing these great videos. One thing i have to criticise though: I sometimes would like to see some more data, for instance the bubbling H2, at what Valtage/ Amperage or Power input will i see this amount of gas produced? Kind regards from Germany
Great work Robert. Can you explain more why you've included carbon felt? Could you not just use the stainless steel mesh zip tied into a tube in each cylinder?
If I use a alkaline fuel cell , it should have pure O2 ( CO2 will be absorbed by the electrolyte KOH) on the oxygen side . does urea electrolysis yield pure O2 and of course H2 is a given, Many thanks for your work.
Maybe that should be your next video on the Production of Hydrogen Saga.Anyhow it’s a cool way to produce Hydrogen.Better than any other way of doing it !
One of the problems I had with using an electrlyzer was an increase I carbon emissions. I used baking soda as an electrolyte. How does the use of carbon felt and urea affect the carbon emissions with your method?
@Robert Murray-Smith how a Faraday Disk works, could you replace the metal disk with a graphite disk???... if so!... what about that kind of setup to spin the graphite disk to make power, but its submerged under water and your using the disk to make HHO, that flings the bubbles off, your gas output goes into a hallow (clear) Spher, and gas enters at the lower bottom at an angle, and an exit hole at the top, if the pressure is good enough a metal ball inside with barely any wiggle room would spin , and a pin point needle at the top center stopping it from plugging the hole but also acting as an electrical contact, and you have another brush contact on the side and put it inside a doughnut magnet, there is a source of power . Then use that power to help spin the Graphite Faraday Disk,, or use the gas pressure to turn a turbine generator, or turbine blade in direct connection to the disk. Doing all this with Urea so less energy is needed
Go to a store that sells Grow lights for plants they have huge sheets of aluminized plastic in rolls and make big flat inflatables by heat sealing the edges.
If someone could figure out a way to compress and store the hydrogen that would be the key to making these hydrogen cells completely awesome for home use. I have a use four hydrogen but it almost has to be bottled or it would be uncontrollable in this state I don't know if anybody has thought of how they might do this perhaps with the vacuum setup I'm not sure how they would do this I've never given it a deep thought if anybody has any ideas let me know
If making a wet cell with no separation of gasses, if you wasnt to use an clean water bubbler ... between Urea and KOH/NaOH which one would be better to inhale. Its about Hydrogen for health. Would you be opposed to breathing in the mixed gasses not separated using Urea as an electrolyte?? With or without a bubbler!
David Prock this interest me too I would think a bubbler would be worth using as a precaution and I think not using urea would be better for this application especially if you didn't have gas separation as too much nitrogen would kill you and extra oxygen from using water, for short periods is beneficial I have just received the ac felt and just checking the video so I could make one This h2 breathing has a lot of promise for health but it seems a bit of a palaver having to breath it for hours a day The tiny amount of the pot hydrox in the bubbler would make it safe enough to drink and get any dissolved hydrogen
Would be an improvement. I doubt he is separating the 2 gases this way, kinda on the path, but not with this configuration. I designed one over 10-15 years ago, just never did the build.
you should look into atomic hydrogen which can be produced by runing hydrgon (h2 ) into an arc which will result in h1 or you can use a cathode made from a mix of lead and mercurey if your interested i can send you a pdf file on the subject.
"ok so I clearly don't know when to stop. I think it's something of a problem"........lol! I had this image of you at an AA meeting (Awesome Anonymous) Rob: "Hello, my name is Dr. Robert Murray-Smith & I'm addicted to making AWESOME... .....Big AWESOME......Small AWESOME ....doesn't matter. I cant help myself , I love making AWESOME and I cant stop!"............. after a few seconds .... The World: "HOORAY!!!!" (and the crowd goes WILD!! & there was much rejoicing!!) :) :) :) Hehe! Never thought I'd advocate FOR somebody to indulge their addiction,,, but I guess theirs a first time for everything. eh?
You can tune The Unit HHO Generator with set up current and make super efficient. Some People made it and are gone in pease. I DO Personelu have much more advance unit in dust on my attic.
Have you heard of people drinking hydrogen water for health.. look into it and see if you can come up with a way to make it with electrolysis that would be free of bad chemicals/metals.
Would it work? Say I have a natural gas or propane powered generator that with modification produces 10KW when fueled with hydrogen. So I start the generator up on propane and start providing power to a hydrogen generation system. When the hydrogen production is adequate the engine is switched to run on the generated hydrogen. Will it make enough hydrogen to sustain full output and also allow some percentage of the generated power be diverted to other uses? Assuming that engine cooling and exhaust heat were recycled (heating water?) would the cost of the consumables (urea, stainless steel, etc) make any resulting excess energy cost effective? Could be very interesting in arctic conditions where it is very cold and dark for long periods and purchased fuel very expensive.
No. The laws of physics do not permit perpetual motion, at least as currently understood. You can't make power from nothing. However, it might be possible - with careful tuning - to slightly increase efficiency of the propane engine by mixing in hydrogen-oxygen with the propane, and the performance thus gained could potentially offset the electricity cost of the electrolyser.
@@vylbird8014 it works! However would take a lot of finetuning and continuous monitoring and after say few months your ICE needs repairs and the whole story starts again.
What about using a pulsed high voltage supply like a microwave oven transformer or a ignition coil from a car. Would it be correct in saying that it’s high voltage low wattage would give you a greater gas production per watt input.
I remember reading something years back, deep in the forum archives about freq and H generation. there was a certain freq that H would split off very easily at a very low power input. I think that was why that Hutch chap was killed off.
I didn't really see any data of this and and didn't see how it really works and didn't have a lot of efficiency you say it some more efficient but I did not see any proof of that I barely saw any gas is being produced and how you can separate the two and still make it work is beyond me but I want to
the engine could only produce less power than the cell used, but sure. I've seen people adjust generators to run off of wood gas, which is mostly hydrogen. no reason an engine couldn't do the same.
I think everyone who does these H2 & O2 generators is a little disingenous when it comes to output. In this video he says "lots and lots of hydrogen bubbling up there" - well I got news for you, at that rate I'm guessing you aren't even reaching a liter an hour, maybe not even 1/2 that. I found that even when it looks like you have a ton of bubbles being formed, it's very deceptive in the total volume and often you think you are making a lot more than you are. IDK if this is b/c the bubbles are in water or what.
Rob , you're a machine ! [ oops i mean that in a good way, not like some people who actually believe the next step for humanity is merging us into machines ..with AI enhanced brains ..all remote controllable by them ..because they know better than us !!] I have a gas flow meter for testing flows ,, but easy way is just a clear plastic bottle filled with water , and upended in a large bucket of water , then run gas output into water filled bottle ,so gas displaces water , just time how long it takes to drive all water out , ie 1.5 L coke bottle in a minute . .. , this does make it easy to put the top on bottle a have a potential 'bang' . I have left HHO in a bottle for weeks to see if it stays separate , it does . good idea not to blow them up to often ,Neighbors , dogs ,and men in blue are not amused
I have doubts you're separating because of the design. You honestly believe the gases split and magically only the hydrogen appears on one side and the oxygen on the other when they both split on each side together. You have to separate "above" the gases. Capture the gas from your oxygen side and show it wont burn. Now if you want to separate, use a magnet to attract their "-" & "+" charge above the electrolysis and even one below the electrodes, so that you have a magnetic field to guide the separation. Your electrodes should be in the bridge.
His H or U style is separated. That’s exactly how it works, it’s basic chemistry, oxygen will only form on one side and hydrogen on the other since one side is + and the other -, that’s how electrolysis works, and that’s also why one probe side gets corroded very quickly while the other is fine if you want to test with some regular copper wire and a battery. Also if you’re lighting a wooden match on one side then it might look like the oxygen is also a fuel since oxygen makes things burn incredibly intense turning them almost explosive in some cases.
Your video on the brown gas generator was very interesting. I am from Bangladesh, a predominantly agriculture based economy, urea is abundant and cheap here. Farmers need electricity for irrigation purpose and more and more are trying to use solar but the cost of panel and battery is still prohibitive. I looked around to see if the h2 gas generated can be used a fuel source, of course they can be used in ICE or h2 fuel cell but i was looking for something cheaper and simpler(no moving parts). I came across Ni-h2 batteries/fuel cells used in old spacecrafts however it seems it's a pressurised system. I also found some fuel cell design uses heat rather than precious/exotic metal as catalyst. That looked promising because sunlight is available through out the year.But still, their manufacturing seemed intricate. I know you have a lot of ideas floating inside your mind, but please give some thoughts on heat/solar h2 fuel cell designs without exotic materials. As always I am absolutely amazed at your curiosity, knowledge and dedication.
The question is will an ICE convert enough energy to electricity to drive such a cell to fuel the ICE? With the inefficiencies of such a configuration, my guess is no. As you have pointed out, there must be more efficient methods to convert the energy locked in urea to create electricity and water.
However, this is not free energy as there is energy required to make urea, so in effect you are using urea as the energy transport medium. The most efficient way to transport energy is through electricity transmission lines bypassing any inefficiencies in making and transporting urea then converting it back to electricity again.
@@BenMitro when you say ICE don't just presume a "reciprocating" ICE or a rotary "Wankel", there is another rotary ICE ... it's called a turbine and because it doesn't reciprocate it's WAY more efficient ... about double in most cases. In addition "normal" or "Faraday" electrolysis is NOT very efficient. Research on Google for Stan Meyers who, years ago drove a modified Beetle across the US on NOTHING but H2O. His method/s involved "tuned" resonance of pulsed, much higher voltage which released volumes of H & O at phenomenal rates, WAY, WAY, WAY faster than Robert had in his two beakers/flasks/tubes. There are LOTS of videos on RUclips of people who use his method/s.
The use of mesh (and possibly carbon felt also) with Stan Meyer's resonant circuit may well produce even more rapid production with just water, still at much lower energy.
@@boblewis5558 got some links?
Unfortunately Mr Stan Mayer was a scammer. I did deep dive in his patents and history. Even when patents went public nobody was able to replicate his results. A really sad story
One major drawback we experienced with high volume gas generation was bubble adhesion.
To obtain and maintain efficiency, not only do you need the surface area, but also a way to prevent the bubbles from remaining adhered to their surfaces, which, unfortunately, begins choking out the flow of water and electrolyte, causing production to drop off.
I use an ultrasonic bath to avoid bubble adhesion on the active electrode area.
tends to be the benefit of running a dry cell, you get water flowing through, which is typically enough to kick the bubbles off their plates.
@@AfdhalAtiffTan exactly what I was going to say, or some kind of vibrater attached... put it near a sub woofer playing a constant tone
@Desmond Bagley
It would depend on the impurities in and viscosity of the electrolyte solution.
You don't need a vibration mechanism. You're building an engine. Just bolt it to the engine block, it vibrates anyway.
When I first saw it, I thought you'd put it all in graphene ink!
Am I right in thinking that the stainless steel mesh will eventually dissolve on one side and get thicker on the other, if so, do you just reverse the electrodes periodically?
One idea I had years ago was a hybrid gas/electric oven, which burned hydrogen to cook, but you produced the hydrogen on site with electricitty. So you'd have the advantages of a flame stove, but it could run on electricity.
I am playing with this idea in my head too, for off grid purposes. Even go as far as using the hydrogen for refrigeration, and the generated water for consumption. I am not in a rush, and still have a lot of theory to look at before I try a small scale test setup. But I find the idea very appealing too.
Although you have separated the anode and cathode into chambers using that bridge, there is a still a major problem. Collecting that hydrogen is very difficult because you cannot have ANY kind of back pressure on the gas coming out of the chamber or else it will force the water down, through the bridge and out of the anode side. You MIGHT be able to bubble the hydrogen though shallow water and collect it in a very small container using water displacement. The best way to achieve gas separation is PEM technology. You have a rigid solid membrane between the two half-cells and you can exert a great deal of pressure on either side (or both) to fill a balloon or even compress the gas into a cylinder to some degree (no pump needed!) A straight Nafion barrier between the hall cells would suffice to separating the gases and allowing collection, but then you sill need an electrolyte (that won't damage the Nafion). And, of course, a PEM cell (that also uses the Nafion) but has the platinum and iridium electrodes pressed right up against the membrane (MEA), is the ultimate solution and requires no electrolyte (the Nafion acts as the mechanical barrier AND electrolyte in this cell).
as a child we used to charge lorry batteries and put milk bottles inverted on top of cells, then put bottles on ground and ignite them a lovely blue flame and a bang.
Even then we knew that oxygen improved the burn, so one can assume that oxygen would assist the burning of hydrogen thus increasing energy being produced.
What brand of paste comes with the clear container you are using Robert ?? Nice work too.
See also reference on S1R9A9M9 and his Briggs 18HP mower engine that ran on water 2008. 2 RUclips videos - run videos at slow speed . 10 amps through zero ohms spark plug along with water in carb forms water vapor pressure and hydrogen gas. Battery start, battery removed. Alternator runs conversion circuit. His 1978 El Camino car v8 got 18MPG on water for 3000 miles before locked up in storage. Circuit used 400watt inverter and diode to 2MH dual coils relay per cylinder and 6-7amps current. Web site shut down. 4kohm resistor can be removed only from same reach Champion spark plugs.
The nitrogen could be converted into nitric acid by diverting it to a tall column containing solar power spark apparatus and have the dilute nitric acid condense and collected at the bottom of the column.
Mister Murray-Smith, Thank You, Thank You for knowledge you giving to us and passion for science you share.
Brilliant idea using two jars to separate the gasses at source. I think you could go further and make it more efficient by putting many tubes between so the ions have line of sight from anode to cathode, or vice versa. In order to make sure the gasses did not mix half way up the jar (where there are more tubes) you could use slightly U shaped connecting tubes so that rising gasses were diverted from the center of the connecting tube. That would give much more liquid contact, thus increasing ion transfer. It sounds confusing trying to write it. If you don't understand let me know and I'll get a diagram to you.
Absolutely loved the video.
HHO mini torch, wire coat hanger, tiny piece of precious metals (platinum) out of a car catalytic convertor.
Hypersensitive solar panels, I can't bring them to the top of my head right now but I think they might have been photovoltaic cells.
I saw it on a channel a couple of years a go but the channel disappeared but once the platinum begun to glow it allowed thy guy to turn his torch right down to next to nothing but the actual platinum looked like it was burning as bright as the sun.
Fantastic work you're doing and I hope what I've written drives your curiosity to see what can be potentially done with it.
The wire coat hanger is to suspend the platinum on.
When he surrounded it with the solar sensitive cells he used a plastic fish bowl because it didn't give of any significant thermal energy to the surrounding area.
Have a great day.
Could someone let me know what a "PASTOR CELL" from the supermarket ??? Just a clear plastic container with an open top ??
Hi Robert. What materials would you choose for electrodes if electrode durability is the goal. I don't care about efficiency and just need enough gas for a jewellery torch but don't want to have to continually change electrodes or use expensive materials or materials that are not abundantly available.
How are you handling the creation of hexavalent coming from the stainless steel? I thought that was a show stopper for using stainless in an electrolysis cell.
Using nylon cloth instead of felt will last longer as felt will deteriorate over time.
The point about the carbon felt is that it conducts electricity. You can get very fine stainless mesh which has the look and feel pf woven cloth, that might be a better alternative.
Thanks Robert.👍 I also was about to ask for gas separation, but already knew how to alter the construction.
Nevertheless, fast as a flash you came up with such improvement, plus even more.⚡😄
I'm curious about your next brilliant mental sparks, jumping right to your next upload. 🤓
Difficult to keep up with all of these inspiring contributions from my subscribed channels... 🤩
You never cease to amaze Robert....have you done experimentation using a high frequency, high voltage. low current power source?
I have followed the Brown's Gas generation development for more than a few years. I saw somewhere recently that the law of diminishing returns takes over at about 3 volts or so in the production of gas (I think in terms of fuel), and that it serves better to amplify the Amperage while dropping the Voltage. I'd be pleased to hear your thoughts on the subject.
That's what neutral plates are for -- increasing generation surface at each plate, and lowering the voltage for each plate current has to pass through.
Whats the efficiency, how many watts for how much hydrogen? Whats the optimal voltage?
Sir, How to combine oxygen with potassium or sodium? Bcoz ammonia gas has more power then hydrogen gas.
The interesting question is would you try for liquid air batteries in a small enough system for one shop/house,
Or
A hydrogen storage system?
In my place is cheaper to buy stainless steel mesh for colanders and sieves, it should be also a better option for surface area and it's even easier to work with
Is the black coloration caused by particles of carbon breaking away from the felt? Years ago I built an electrolysis cell using carbon electrodes and they didn't last very long at all.
An easier construction would be to have a vertical plastic pipe containing the hydrogen electrode suspended in a bowl of electrolyte, this pipe would have a stopped end on the top to which you can attach the take-off pipe, as per the original video. The other electrode would be suspended in the electrolyte as before.
Presumably, you will have to top up the urea concentration periodically. So what is the best method for monitoring concentration? Will it be the increase in Oxygen production, or the reduction of Nitrogen at the second electrode? Or is there a simple way of measuring urea concentration? Thanks Robert.
You are an inspiration to everyone of us, keep on doing these great videos. One thing i have to criticise though: I sometimes would like to see some more data, for instance the bubbling H2, at what Valtage/ Amperage or Power input will i see this amount of gas produced? Kind regards from Germany
It only takes 1/3 the energy to split Urine than water and you get more hydrogen!!
Great work Robert. Can you explain more why you've included carbon felt? Could you not just use the stainless steel mesh zip tied into a tube in each cylinder?
If I use a alkaline fuel cell , it should have pure O2 ( CO2 will be absorbed by the electrolyte KOH) on the oxygen side .
does urea electrolysis yield pure O2 and of course H2 is a given, Many thanks for your work.
Maybe cheaper just to add a gas separator at the output composed of, in part, a negative charged plate to direct the H out its own exit...
Cool but isn't brine better in terms of the fuel basically being 2 for 1 oxygen and hydrogen, which you can Weld with?
Maybe that should be your next video on the Production of Hydrogen Saga.Anyhow it’s a cool way to produce Hydrogen.Better than any other way of doing it !
One of the problems I had with using an electrlyzer was an increase I carbon emissions. I used baking soda as an electrolyte. How does the use of carbon felt and urea affect the carbon emissions with your method?
Like it. But the real scientist would have to measure and compare performance against power expended and effort and cost.
@Robert Murray-Smith how a Faraday Disk works, could you replace the metal disk with a graphite disk???... if so!... what about that kind of setup to spin the graphite disk to make power, but its submerged under water and your using the disk to make HHO, that flings the bubbles off, your gas output goes into a hallow (clear) Spher, and gas enters at the lower bottom at an angle, and an exit hole at the top, if the pressure is good enough a metal ball inside with barely any wiggle room would spin , and a pin point needle at the top center stopping it from plugging the hole but also acting as an electrical contact, and you have another brush contact on the side and put it inside a doughnut magnet, there is a source of power . Then use that power to help spin the Graphite Faraday Disk,, or use the gas pressure to turn a turbine generator, or turbine blade in direct connection to the disk.
Doing all this with Urea so less energy is needed
Hi Robert, I am very interested in this project... one of my biggest problem is to store the gases, any ideas?
Go to a store that sells Grow lights for plants they have huge sheets of aluminized plastic in rolls and make big flat inflatables by heat sealing the edges.
no mate - what's wrong with doing it on demand?
Robert Murray-Smith ...Robert, in the case when consumption is higher than production
If someone could figure out a way to compress and store the hydrogen that would be the key to making these hydrogen cells completely awesome for home use. I have a use four hydrogen but it almost has to be bottled or it would be uncontrollable in this state I don't know if anybody has thought of how they might do this perhaps with the vacuum setup I'm not sure how they would do this I've never given it a deep thought if anybody has any ideas let me know
Please how can I get some activated carbon felt from you. Am willing to pay for it. Thanks. You're a great inspiration!
If making a wet cell with no separation of gasses, if you wasnt to use an clean water bubbler ... between Urea and KOH/NaOH which one would be better to inhale.
Its about Hydrogen for health. Would you be opposed to breathing in the mixed gasses not separated using Urea as an electrolyte?? With or without a bubbler!
David Prock this interest me too I would think a bubbler would be worth using as a precaution and I think not using urea would be better for this application especially if you didn't have gas separation as too much nitrogen would kill you and extra oxygen from using water, for short periods is beneficial I have just received the ac felt and just checking the video so I could make one
This h2 breathing has a lot of promise for health but it seems a bit of a palaver having to breath it for hours a day The tiny amount of the pot hydrox in the bubbler would make it safe enough to drink and get any dissolved hydrogen
Used to use these to fuse fibre optics, because they burn hot n clean, potassium and water I believe (25 + years ago)
awesome mate
You have so much great info! Thanks God. 😂😂😂😂😂
Have you tried separating the gasus with Magnets?
Would be an improvement. I doubt he is separating the 2 gases this way, kinda on the path, but not with this configuration. I designed one over 10-15 years ago, just never did the build.
Carbon felp the old/new Wondermaterial
Thanks
you should look into atomic hydrogen which can be produced by runing hydrgon (h2 ) into an arc which will result in h1 or you can use a cathode made from a mix of lead and mercurey if your interested i can send you a pdf file on the subject.
Try doping the carbon felt with a nickel cobolt alloy?
Hi there is there any migration of the carbon as there is with copper electrodes
"ok so I clearly don't know when to stop. I think it's something of a problem"........lol! I had this image of you at an AA meeting (Awesome Anonymous)
Rob: "Hello, my name is Dr. Robert Murray-Smith & I'm addicted to making AWESOME... .....Big AWESOME......Small AWESOME ....doesn't matter. I cant help myself , I love making AWESOME and I cant stop!".............
after a few seconds ....
The World: "HOORAY!!!!" (and the crowd goes WILD!! & there was much rejoicing!!) :) :) :)
Hehe! Never thought I'd advocate FOR somebody to indulge their addiction,,, but I guess theirs a first time for everything. eh?
Nice presentation. Thank you.
cheers mate
Which isotope of hydrogen are you targetting?
You can tune The Unit HHO Generator with set up current and make super efficient. Some People made it and are gone in pease. I DO Personelu have much more advance unit in dust on my attic.
the problem with that is keeping it tuned I did look at phase locked loops as a way to do that
4:51 the closer view is out of focus
Have you heard of people drinking hydrogen water for health.. look into it and see if you can come up with a way to make it with electrolysis that would be free of bad chemicals/metals.
Would it work? Say I have a natural gas or propane powered generator that with modification produces 10KW when fueled with hydrogen. So I start the generator up on propane and start providing power to a hydrogen generation system. When the hydrogen production is adequate the engine is switched to run on the generated hydrogen. Will it make enough hydrogen to sustain full output and also allow some percentage of the generated power be diverted to other uses? Assuming that engine cooling and exhaust heat were recycled (heating water?) would the cost of the consumables (urea, stainless steel, etc) make any resulting excess energy cost effective? Could be very interesting in arctic conditions where it is very cold and dark for long periods and purchased fuel very expensive.
No. The laws of physics do not permit perpetual motion, at least as currently understood. You can't make power from nothing. However, it might be possible - with careful tuning - to slightly increase efficiency of the propane engine by mixing in hydrogen-oxygen with the propane, and the performance thus gained could potentially offset the electricity cost of the electrolyser.
@@vylbird8014 it works! However would take a lot of finetuning and continuous monitoring and after say few months your ICE needs repairs and the whole story starts again.
Need to put a vacuum on the tank then you will produce more.
What about using a pulsed high voltage supply like a microwave oven transformer or a ignition coil from a car. Would it be correct in saying that it’s high voltage low wattage would give you a greater gas production per watt input.
I remember reading something years back, deep in the forum archives about freq and H generation. there was a certain freq that H would split off very easily at a very low power input. I think that was why that Hutch chap was killed off.
No, you need a high current, not voltage.
@@trevorvanzuydam8115 check out Ritalie on RUclips and HHO
Me: Hey Robert, can you improve on your hydrogen generator?
Robert: Sure; easy as p... oh wait... I've already made that joke o_O
lol - cheers mate
Hello Governor. What grade stainless steel mesh do you use sir?
0:25 wtf;; lol
nonono it's not what you think. Not coke. That's from inhaling too much hydrogen :)
Immediately tinkers another one 😂🤣😂in 5minutes
Why don't you build an electrolisis battery that stores energy generating H, and delivers it using an H cell?
What about puharich water sitting patent
Some great ideas here...
cheers mate
Don't know that this addresses the Chromium issue?!
oi ! ... stop smoking near hydrogen ... THE HUMANITY!
What happened to your battery prototype?
still working on it mate
I didn't really see any data of this and and didn't see how it really works and didn't have a lot of efficiency you say it some more efficient but I did not see any proof of that I barely saw any gas is being produced and how you can separate the two and still make it work is beyond me but I want to
Theoretically it could power an engine in a closed system?
the engine could only produce less power than the cell used, but sure. I've seen people adjust generators to run off of wood gas, which is mostly hydrogen. no reason an engine couldn't do the same.
It would be easier to do a vacuum steam turbine system.
there are reports of a closed system being set up - needs some research on the net mate
I noticed the bandaid
I think everyone who does these H2 & O2 generators is a little disingenous when it comes to output. In this video he says "lots and lots of hydrogen bubbling up there" - well I got news for you, at that rate I'm guessing you aren't even reaching a liter an hour, maybe not even 1/2 that. I found that even when it looks like you have a ton of bubbles being formed, it's very deceptive in the total volume and often you think you are making a lot more than you are. IDK if this is b/c the bubbles are in water or what.
a lot of hydrogen is not very scientific so how do you know what is better or worse?
it's the generator that has been improved here mate
Why not use ammonium carbonate instead of urea, it's ionic and should be much more conductive.
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Rob , you're a machine ! [ oops i mean that in a good way, not like some people who actually believe the next step for humanity is merging us into machines ..with AI enhanced brains ..all remote controllable by them ..because they know better than us !!] I have a gas flow meter for testing flows ,, but easy way is just a clear plastic bottle filled with water , and upended in a large bucket of water , then run gas output into water filled bottle ,so gas displaces water , just time how long it takes to drive all water out , ie 1.5 L coke bottle in a minute . .. , this does make it easy to put the top on bottle a have a potential 'bang' . I have left HHO in a bottle for weeks to see if it stays separate , it does . good idea not to blow them up to often ,Neighbors , dogs ,and men in blue are not amused
lol - thanks for the post mate
I have doubts you're separating because of the design. You honestly believe the gases split and magically only the hydrogen appears on one side and the oxygen on the other when they both split on each side together. You have to separate "above" the gases.
Capture the gas from your oxygen side and show it wont burn.
Now if you want to separate, use a magnet to attract their "-" & "+" charge above the electrolysis and even one below the electrodes, so that you have a magnetic field to guide the separation. Your electrodes should be in the bridge.
His H or U style is separated. That’s exactly how it works, it’s basic chemistry, oxygen will only form on one side and hydrogen on the other since one side is + and the other -, that’s how electrolysis works, and that’s also why one probe side gets corroded very quickly while the other is fine if you want to test with some regular copper wire and a battery. Also if you’re lighting a wooden match on one side then it might look like the oxygen is also a fuel since oxygen makes things burn incredibly intense turning them almost explosive in some cases.