This is a truly innovative system. You found a way to carry a ballistic helmet and plate without receiving any of the benefits of said equipment. Thats a feat that is actually hard to accomplish.
@smokecrash2147 The only thing I could think of to improve this setup would be to put all the ballistic protection in a drag bag and tie that to the backpack and drag it around behind the user.
Carrying the helmet on your head is not nearly as nice. If you're doing long haul carry, it makes sense to carry it on your back. Plates don't exactly make sense to me.
@ClubPenguinMaster88 That makes sense until you get shot in the head. If you have to walk around with the rifle, there is obviously a significant chance of being in a gun fight. If that chance exists and you are going to carry plates and a helmet, you should be wearing them. Combat isn't about comfort, and neither is the protective gear. Otherwise, we would all fight wars in pajamas. There are documented instances of Navy seals being killed in Afghanistan because they weren't wearing their issued helmets. They weren't wearing their helmets because they weren't comfortable. I bet they and their families wish they had either lived with the discomfort.
@@ATXAdventure If you're being shot with a rifle, your helmet will not stop the round. The only documented cases that matter are rounds that the helmet are rated for (pistol rounds exclusively) and rounds that impact in a would-be protected zone. An airframe helmet protects the rear and top of the head. You have not had the pleasure of carrying any helmet for a length of time. Being fatigued by the time it comes to a fire fight is a bad thing.
What's the point of having a chest rig if you still carry the weight of plates in the bag? this whole idea makes no operational sense. At this point might as well walk around in plate carry and bring actual sustainment gear in the backpack, or no backpack at all lol
Walking for many miles with a plate on your chest is no fun. The rubbing will sore and scrape you up, and also limits breathability. The guy is carrying a 3 day assaulter, I'd imagine that this allows for a recon/patrol element to decide to do a dynamic entry when stumbling onto an unmarked or hidden building for example. I'm just thinking out loud here.
@@acevfx2923but, what if you take contact prior to objective, what if you don’t have time to kit up prior to breaching, or what if your plate carrier was just not sized right and thats why its messing you up…
@@damianh4510 I absolutely hear you man, well adjusted plate carriers will go a long way and I will personally never run this system. However it should be said that battlefield detachment teaches that if I "don't have time to kit up" that probably something else is afoot. And the risk of contact prior to objective has never necessitated carrying a plate carrier over a chest rig per say, the environment has been the major determining factor. The idea of packing a plate and scaling a mountain to hit a lodge or something is one that I can entertain and definitely see a use for this system.
@@acevfx2923 I gotcha. At least we talk reasonably unlike the “internet experts” (morons). We have our own experiences and generally can agree to disagree. Ill admit, recon rigs are a thing. Just never saw it plausible to swap, might as well slap a micro carrier on under the rig when you get to point of contact, plop a dome piece on and roll onwards.
Depends on school lingo, my training for dynamic meant entering the room at speed with a team, preferably throwing something inside first if you had the tools and training. But this crap is ridiculous. Why carry plates if not wearing them?
@@HamSandwich277 I agree. However look at it from a downgrade point of view. Rather than carrying dead weight plates in your bag for some god awful reason. Having the ability to downgrade to a rig and ditch plates and unwanted excess materials such as the plate bag is pretty nice in the event of quick egress or escape and evade type stuff. But a lot of this is definitely marketing and the majority of citizens really just need something simple. Simplicity was always my go to in the military. I still wear my OG JPC I had when I was in the army
Dynamic entry is entering a room through speed, surprise and violence of action. Whether be through a wall, doorway, etc.. Just the opposite of slow and methodical entry and doesn’t always involve a breach like you stated.
Gotta ask... if you're going to carry the front plate and helmet anyway, why not just wear them? I've taken off the helmet before, which can make sense, but even then that was with a ballistic helmet. This helmet is a bump helmet. And if I'm running without plates, I'm definitely not carrying them around in the pack with me. That's all of the weight but none of the benefits.
Everyone is looking and cocking their heads at the idea of carrying the weight in their pack and i get it. But aside from the direct use in the video or looking at it from a literal military use. Picture this. You as a citizen are wanting bith a carrier and a chest rig. You now have a setup that can be converted to either or. Maybe for a stash in your vehicle. Got the plates setup by default for a shooter situation but can be converted to a rig for a long hike if your vehicle were to breakdown in a SHTF scenario. (If you're into prepping for those hypotheticals) personally i wouldn't carry my conversion in a pack like that. If im donning the weight it might as well be worn. But the ability to downgrade it is a nice feature rather than looking at it from an upgrade POV
Because smooth brain Fudds who are actually Feds with huge online followings keep telling people that RECCE is the way, and that you don't need to hoof around plates for real warfare despite all first world militaries wearing it for any serious applications including recon...
I dont really understand it. If the plate is in your bag, already is fuking your shoulders. If you keep the plate in your chest, the weight will be better distributed. I would pref wearing the plate in my chest if I have the helmet in my back, to make my work easiest
@@fontan360 The general gospel preached to the ignorant masses is that if it's in your pack, you can drop it when shit gets spicy or just prior to a mission. Leaving yourself to run around without all that weight so you can do RECCE and Survival Evasion stuff "unhindered" by the burden of not taking a bullet to your soft fleshy bits.
yooo so tactical, carrying plates in a backpack so your spine carries weight and you got 0 protection also no shrapnel protection, long rifle with optics (but you put NVG on helmet, good luck at aiming) wouldn't it just be easier to be in a plate carrier and light helmet from the start?
"Dynamic Entry" with a single frontal plate with no other equipment besides NV tubes and single stack mags wrapped halfway around your torso??? You're high on some of that nifty wehrmacht meth!
i mean if you're carrying that front plate around why not just wear it. is there a back plate in the bag too, or are you moving one plate from the back to the front? seems like a lot of wasted time. all you're basically doing is putting nvgs on, you were carrying all that shit the whole time, why not just wear it?
Let me ask you this - have you ever carried a rain jacket or sweater in your backpack while traveling on a plane? Why? Why not just wear it? For the same reasons. You wear it when you need it because not all gear needs to be used at all times. Same goes for armor.
I think more importantly than adding a plate is changing your weapon, I think a proper recon element has to have a .308/6.5cm type setup for engaging at farther ranges, the new 8.6blk looks promising. I could see an extra upper or even just a 8.6blk barrel brought along, imagine having a 20in .308 or 24in 6.5cm setup then swapping to a 8 or 12in 8.6blk with the suppressor being at least .338 size to fit everything. One could go from supersonic rounds to engage past 500yds to subsonic 300+grn .338 rounds that’ll drop targets easily out to a slightly past 1-200yds. Sure one can do the same with switching from 5.56 to .300blk, and maybe with a squad of decent size it makes more sense to go that route and let a marksman or two make their AR10 sized swapping of calibers. Speakin on which, I need to get me an 8.6blk barrel.
A 16inch AR can reach out and touch area targets at 600m. A 14.5 is still getting hits on a human silhouette at 500. You're also assuming this is an exclusively one man team, which at that point carrying two rifles is fucking dumb because you aren't rambo. You are trying to avoid conflict if you are one person. A plate is super important because once you reach the hard target, you are at a significantly greater risk of being shot. Since again, the recon element isn't trying to get into engagements at all while doing recon or moving to the target, especially not at 500 meters.
The enemy after hearing zippers, footsteps, and clips clipping:
“Must have been the wind”
Youd do all this at least 150 meters away fom the objective. Usually, some sort of terrain feature, like a hill will be in the way.
This is a truly innovative system. You found a way to carry a ballistic helmet and plate without receiving any of the benefits of said equipment. Thats a feat that is actually hard to accomplish.
At least the plate covers his back partially. Maybe he should carry them in a camo shopping bag
@smokecrash2147 The only thing I could think of to improve this setup would be to put all the ballistic protection in a drag bag and tie that to the backpack and drag it around behind the user.
Carrying the helmet on your head is not nearly as nice. If you're doing long haul carry, it makes sense to carry it on your back. Plates don't exactly make sense to me.
@ClubPenguinMaster88 That makes sense until you get shot in the head. If you have to walk around with the rifle, there is obviously a significant chance of being in a gun fight. If that chance exists and you are going to carry plates and a helmet, you should be wearing them. Combat isn't about comfort, and neither is the protective gear. Otherwise, we would all fight wars in pajamas. There are documented instances of Navy seals being killed in Afghanistan because they weren't wearing their issued helmets. They weren't wearing their helmets because they weren't comfortable. I bet they and their families wish they had either lived with the discomfort.
@@ATXAdventure If you're being shot with a rifle, your helmet will not stop the round. The only documented cases that matter are rounds that the helmet are rated for (pistol rounds exclusively) and rounds that impact in a would-be protected zone. An airframe helmet protects the rear and top of the head.
You have not had the pleasure of carrying any helmet for a length of time. Being fatigued by the time it comes to a fire fight is a bad thing.
Not gonna lie, I was expecting an SBR upper and suppressor to come out of that bag.
What's the point of having a chest rig if you still carry the weight of plates in the bag? this whole idea makes no operational sense. At this point might as well walk around in plate carry and bring actual sustainment gear in the backpack, or no backpack at all lol
Walking for many miles with a plate on your chest is no fun. The rubbing will sore and scrape you up, and also limits breathability. The guy is carrying a 3 day assaulter, I'd imagine that this allows for a recon/patrol element to decide to do a dynamic entry when stumbling onto an unmarked or hidden building for example. I'm just thinking out loud here.
@@acevfx2923but, what if you take contact prior to objective, what if you don’t have time to kit up prior to breaching, or what if your plate carrier was just not sized right and thats why its messing you up…
@@damianh4510 I absolutely hear you man, well adjusted plate carriers will go a long way and I will personally never run this system. However it should be said that battlefield detachment teaches that if I "don't have time to kit up" that probably something else is afoot. And the risk of contact prior to objective has never necessitated carrying a plate carrier over a chest rig per say, the environment has been the major determining factor. The idea of packing a plate and scaling a mountain to hit a lodge or something is one that I can entertain and definitely see a use for this system.
@@acevfx2923 I gotcha. At least we talk reasonably unlike the “internet experts” (morons). We have our own experiences and generally can agree to disagree. Ill admit, recon rigs are a thing. Just never saw it plausible to swap, might as well slap a micro carrier on under the rig when you get to point of contact, plop a dome piece on and roll onwards.
Yeah that was one of the best discussions i have ever seen online. Good job gentlemen! Would stack up behind either one of yall!
I take it that the backpack has the rear plate
No backplate just teammates.
@@fatcat9109 Screw that! Murphies Law man!
I'm sure you could get one in there if ya wanted to
no retreating
@@fatcat9109 shrapnel say what??
"Dynamic entry" doesn't mean going indoors. It means creating an entry point through a wall as opposed to using a door or a window.
Depends on school lingo, my training for dynamic meant entering the room at speed with a team, preferably throwing something inside first if you had the tools and training. But this crap is ridiculous. Why carry plates if not wearing them?
@@smalltowncop4907 Because plates serve no real purpose when you're lapring. Just dead weight.
@@HamSandwich277none of these serve a real purpose when larping. Youre not saying much.
@@HamSandwich277 I agree. However look at it from a downgrade point of view. Rather than carrying dead weight plates in your bag for some god awful reason. Having the ability to downgrade to a rig and ditch plates and unwanted excess materials such as the plate bag is pretty nice in the event of quick egress or escape and evade type stuff. But a lot of this is definitely marketing and the majority of citizens really just need something simple. Simplicity was always my go to in the military. I still wear my OG JPC I had when I was in the army
Dynamic entry is entering a room through speed, surprise and violence of action. Whether be through a wall, doorway, etc.. Just the opposite of slow and methodical entry and doesn’t always involve a breach like you stated.
Plates are really hot so I could maybe see some value in summer time, but any other time of the year, you should just wear them.
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Does this approach work with the split rig as well?
Whats the name of this chest rig/plate carrier? I like the idea of fast detaching and attaching plates
The original was the RRV rig and there's thousands of copies today.
That was cool! Is there a list for the pieces of gear that were shown? Particularly that magazine carrier/plate carrier?
Serious: Why not wear the plates if you carry them?
Bro changed class from Recon to Assault in BF4
e1m5. Man of culture.
Wow. Ima need to buy your whole store.
Gotta ask... if you're going to carry the front plate and helmet anyway, why not just wear them? I've taken off the helmet before, which can make sense, but even then that was with a ballistic helmet. This helmet is a bump helmet. And if I'm running without plates, I'm definitely not carrying them around in the pack with me. That's all of the weight but none of the benefits.
DO YOU KNOW PROMOTION?
@@user-wq3kc1xt1s yeah, but the promotion needs to show an applicable scenario in reality.
You can tell who hasn’t worn a PC in the comments before. There’s more that goes into making body armor uncomfortable to wear than weight.
Damnit! Just when I thought I had shit figured out. Fuck!
Get rid of the light at the back of your helmet you will give your position away also fight light
Everyone is looking and cocking their heads at the idea of carrying the weight in their pack and i get it. But aside from the direct use in the video or looking at it from a literal military use. Picture this.
You as a citizen are wanting bith a carrier and a chest rig. You now have a setup that can be converted to either or. Maybe for a stash in your vehicle. Got the plates setup by default for a shooter situation but can be converted to a rig for a long hike if your vehicle were to breakdown in a SHTF scenario. (If you're into prepping for those hypotheticals) personally i wouldn't carry my conversion in a pack like that. If im donning the weight it might as well be worn. But the ability to downgrade it is a nice feature rather than looking at it from an upgrade POV
Is good 👍
I would also like to know how it works with split rig.
Not tying off nods ngmi
Murphy: and I took that personally
does the body armor plate bag work with the split rig?
What's the point of keeping plates in a bag? If the weight is already on you why not take advantage of the protection given by always having them on?
Because smooth brain Fudds who are actually Feds with huge online followings keep telling people that RECCE is the way, and that you don't need to hoof around plates for real warfare despite all first world militaries wearing it for any serious applications including recon...
I dont really understand it. If the plate is in your bag, already is fuking your shoulders. If you keep the plate in your chest, the weight will be better distributed. I would pref wearing the plate in my chest if I have the helmet in my back, to make my work easiest
@@fontan360 Exactly what I'm saying. And it seems that an actual plate carrier would give better vitals coverage (Side plates) and modularity.
@@fontan360 The general gospel preached to the ignorant masses is that if it's in your pack, you can drop it when shit gets spicy or just prior to a mission. Leaving yourself to run around without all that weight so you can do RECCE and Survival Evasion stuff "unhindered" by the burden of not taking a bullet to your soft fleshy bits.
@@yoloactual6975 Okey,I could understand that but... Ok a normal plate carrier you can also remove the plate easy and fast
lmfao so a recon loadout is a 20 Liter backpack that's half full? Also if you wanna wear plates on recon get PE III+ and get used to wearing it.
What is the small of back pouch on the chest rig?
i feel like that plate isnt very secure. How does it hold up to negotiating obstacles and stuff?
yooo so tactical, carrying plates in a backpack so your spine carries weight and you got 0 protection
also no shrapnel protection, long rifle with optics (but you put NVG on helmet, good luck at aiming)
wouldn't it just be easier to be in a plate carrier and light helmet from the start?
What hoodie is that?
What is this carrier setup?
why carry the same weight in your backpack and not on your person should just wear the plate and helmet anyway
You're no longer captain Price
Buckle. Velcro. Molle.
Yoo, what's the rig?
"Dynamic Entry" with a single frontal plate with no other equipment besides NV tubes and single stack mags wrapped halfway around your torso??? You're high on some of that nifty wehrmacht meth!
i mean if you're carrying that front plate around why not just wear it. is there a back plate in the bag too, or are you moving one plate from the back to the front? seems like a lot of wasted time. all you're basically doing is putting nvgs on, you were carrying all that shit the whole time, why not just wear it?
Let me ask you this - have you ever carried a rain jacket or sweater in your backpack while traveling on a plane? Why? Why not just wear it? For the same reasons. You wear it when you need it because not all gear needs to be used at all times. Same goes for armor.
Larper
I think more importantly than adding a plate is changing your weapon, I think a proper recon element has to have a .308/6.5cm type setup for engaging at farther ranges, the new 8.6blk looks promising. I could see an extra upper or even just a 8.6blk barrel brought along, imagine having a 20in .308 or 24in 6.5cm setup then swapping to a 8 or 12in 8.6blk with the suppressor being at least .338 size to fit everything.
One could go from supersonic rounds to engage past 500yds to subsonic 300+grn .338 rounds that’ll drop targets easily out to a slightly past 1-200yds.
Sure one can do the same with switching from 5.56 to .300blk, and maybe with a squad of decent size it makes more sense to go that route and let a marksman or two make their AR10 sized swapping of calibers.
Speakin on which, I need to get me an 8.6blk barrel.
A 16inch AR can reach out and touch area targets at 600m. A 14.5 is still getting hits on a human silhouette at 500. You're also assuming this is an exclusively one man team, which at that point carrying two rifles is fucking dumb because you aren't rambo. You are trying to avoid conflict if you are one person. A plate is super important because once you reach the hard target, you are at a significantly greater risk of being shot. Since again, the recon element isn't trying to get into engagements at all while doing recon or moving to the target, especially not at 500 meters.
What boonie is that?
USMC issue desert MARPAT boonie with part of the rim cut off
Ma ne seri.
At this point you're just carrying extra weight for no reason.