I really enjoyed this conversation with Kai-Fu. Here's the high-level outline: 0:00 - Introduction 1:26 - Chinese soul 4:28 - Difference between cultures of AI engineering 6:39 - Role of data in near-term impact of AI 8:37 - Tesla Autopilot approach 11:56 - Microsoft, Google, Apple and Silicon Valley cultures 24:22 - Entrepreneurship in China 38:51 - Impact of AI on jobs 44:58 - Andrew Yang and UBI 48:38 - Jobs that can't be automated 56:20 - Role for governments 58:30 - Cold War and the arms race metaphor 1:04:50 - Freedom of speech & different value systems in China & US 1:07:37 - Privacy challenges 1:12:27 - Heart and soul of a business 1:14:00 - Facing mortality 1:18:46 - Hard work and balance 1:22:12 - Advice to entrepreneurs 1:25:38 - First question for an AGI system
Damn, for a relatively small podcast you're managing to pull in some pretty high profile guests. Guests who many people maybe haven't heard of, but probably should've heard of.
When you're like this guy though, other intelligent people will work with you because they can feel out who you are and probably like you. They probably know the reach and impact of podcasts is high and feel super glad to sit with this dude. He cares a lot. Watch that one two pods ago where the feed lost an hour and you'll see this dudes professional Integrity. As far as I know he's our main or only high conciousness lens Into this stuff. Plus u bet this girls like him. He's a sweet dude. We're all gonna see this dude for as long as he feels like being in the light is necessary. He's doin a great service. Thanks dude!
It's also fascinating that they all seem to know each other. Joe, Weinstein(s), Shapiro, Ruben, Fridman, etc. but also Yang, Gabbard, Lee, Elon and more :)
"why we exist in this world could be influenced by society too much, its only when facing death that you see what is truly important to you" - Kai-Fu Lee
Kai-Fu Lee's english is very, very good. Super impressive. He's also very careful in his articulation, humble in his portrayal of where his expertise is and isn't and well put together generally. Great guest. I'll have to see what else there is out there about him... I'd never heard of him prior to this.
Well he moved to the US when he was 12 and went to high school and college in the US. So it's not totally surprising that his English is good. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kai-Fu_Lee
damn, Lex. It is cool to see how many bigshots you can get on this podcast. i found this guest very insightful and his message at the end while generic to be very beautiful. while striving for success is great, it is wise not to foget one's family and loved ones in the process.
Dear Lex, I stumbled into your podcast with Kai-Fu Lee who I already know about as a great contributor to AI and to many subjects, but I was truly impressed by the thoughtful questions you asked and your ability to articulate and to draw out many profound observations from Mr. Lee. Congratulations!
The UBI proposed by andrew yang is not a solution to loss of job that are coming as he himself has stated on many occasions. The UBI will help the American people manage and navigate during that transitional period.. Thus whatever the displaced worker will decide on, he or she might do so as at their own discretion...Mr Kai-Fu Lee yang's approach is actually the most logical for that phase of transitioning into another job #yang2020
Lex, I had to read his book on the relationship between China and Silicon Valley for one of my college courses. I’ve been a long time fan but am just now seeing this interview, thank you for all your hard.
57 minutes in, Kai-Fu Lee resonates effortlessly. He's somewhere between brutal and tactful honesty and there's a lot of meaningful opinions and examples and he speaks freely about some pretty wild, abstract concepts but he's really right, it sounds like. Infrastructure, the competitive cities, effective retraining, it's awesome and we're all spectators to it. I like the points about healthcare, through and through a great interview great question posed and lots of quotable moments.
I think it's because he works in the VC space, meaning he has to be straightforward and honest, since he is betting a lot of resources to whatever endeavours he is talking about.
When is Andrew Yang coming to the show? I’m so anxious to see him respond or counter Kai point of no string attached UBI. I’m sure he agrees on finding life meaning, but man, we need to flush out the ideas of AI impact and inform the public. Beautiful discussion!
at 46:00, the part about retraining - it's basically impossible to retrain a large percent of aging "routine job" workers to do jobs of the future. Lee is smart and probably right about AI, but is not thinking outside of his own intellectual bubble regarding realistic solutions. UBI is the only realistic solution/transition for these types of workers. Ultimately, that person's value should not be tied to a subsistence job anyway.
Heather Larson I say that it’s not realistic because it literally hasn’t been in real life according to studies, to train aging manual workforce to do tech jobs. And it shows a misunderstanding of how hiring works in businesses. Who are the tech industry going after the most? Young, adaptable, tech-savvy 20-30 year olds, for better or worse. And money does come from “nowhere” if so many jobs no longer need to be done. Automation is massively profitable.
Wow Kai-Fu Lee is one of the most eloquent and well versed Chinese person I've heard. Sorry for this profiling, but honestly just by listening to him I admire him. I think I'll buy one of his books.
An excellent talk. Great questions, I like how you kept the personal questions to the end. Great way to run a show by starting at the IQ end of the spectrum and closing it with the EQ end.
Amazing podcast and guest. very informative on AI and China's contribution. Only of few which I listened over again not to miss any great insight. Thx Lex
Thanks Lex! I think this was the most positive podcast of yours with practical advice to deal with future both at an individual (learn to plumb;) to social (having trust in each other to deal with global issues)
Wow I've heard of this guy Kai-Fi before but now I'm really sold on this guy. His knowledge and insight are unparalleled especially his comparison of silicon valley vs. china trends
Just adding in here a comment to say verbally that I liked this podcast better than few others.. May be because Kai-Fu Lee's answers seemed unbiased and honest (to me), gave insights into the practical issues and and possible practical solutions, rectified the hype around "AI is at rise", how companies and governments around the world are adopting to AI (Chinese infrastructures with built in sensors to facilitate Autonomous Vehicle test circuits), scenario of the AI startups and the differentiation between ML against AGI based startups' planning and approaches, and the human touch - about his life experience (cancer) and after-effects (much useful for upcoming workaholics if they would like to help themselves) and the final question by @Lex_Fridman and Kai-Fu Lee's answer, really carefully thought, beautifully put and quickly replied.
Great interview, thanks a lot. However... ...an inordinate amount of comparing between U.S. and China-always about which is better, in what areas, why. (Touch on it here and there, sure; but curious how much Li keeps coming back to it.) Very informative interview. Thx, again.
Incredibly insightful conversation! Thanks, Lex! I was wondering if you would like to invite Yuval Harari to your podcast. Would be interesting to see historian's perspective on AI and disruptive technologies. And he is quite insightful too!
He says Andrew Yang misses the part about Retraining people for work when Yang doesn’t miss that part he shows the numbers on how bad we are with retraining and then shows the numbers on how much more money is being made by people who you put money in there hands. With no money there is no opportunity. Put the money in the citizens hands and we will prosper.
I find it interesting that we often hear complaints about the great Chinese firewall, etc. We do forget that if they hadn't done that, they would probably been overrun by Silicone Wally and we would never have seen the products and applications coming out of China.
Man I'm about halfway through, but this is crazy enlightening about how China handles their infrastructure considering their national infrastructure bank is the world's largest. Great interview.
I think Kai-Fu Lee did summarize his book (AI Superpowers) in the podcast. Very insightful opinion by him. I share the same opinion regarding hard work and finding balance. Our families & relations are what drives us in the first place as such regardless of what undertakings we might have, we should always strike balance. I was hoping to hear the opinion on the state or probably the potentials of AI in other places say Africa rather than US & China or did I miss something?
This podcast was so good, and a very candid overview of potential future scenarios. Sadly the, "If we start to prepare now" never happened and here we are in 2023 with histrionics around AI at an all time high. Podcasts from 4/5 years ago on AI appear to have a more solid scalable strategy on how to manage the machine revolution.
You can see clearly here the intelligence and insights of a Chinese person. It’s very obvious here b/c the guy speaks fluent English . Imagine how many Chinese men and women are just as intelligent but we never get to witness it b/c of language barrier .
Lex, thank-you for all you do to bring us world class pod casts. I have learned so much from you, Joe Rogan, Eric Weinstein and Peter Thiel. You have truly enriched my world.
I really enjoyed this conversation with Kai-Fu. Here's the high-level outline:
0:00 - Introduction
1:26 - Chinese soul
4:28 - Difference between cultures of AI engineering
6:39 - Role of data in near-term impact of AI
8:37 - Tesla Autopilot approach
11:56 - Microsoft, Google, Apple and Silicon Valley cultures
24:22 - Entrepreneurship in China
38:51 - Impact of AI on jobs
44:58 - Andrew Yang and UBI
48:38 - Jobs that can't be automated
56:20 - Role for governments
58:30 - Cold War and the arms race metaphor
1:04:50 - Freedom of speech & different value systems in China & US
1:07:37 - Privacy challenges
1:12:27 - Heart and soul of a business
1:14:00 - Facing mortality
1:18:46 - Hard work and balance
1:22:12 - Advice to entrepreneurs
1:25:38 - First question for an AGI system
its good to have Chapters like this for long interviews, most long interviews don't have chapters.
Looking forward to "privacy challenges" from this fellow... fantastic interview so far!!
#andrewyang
Andrew Yang next, please (preferably after the July debate and Daily Show interview).
Thank you so much for all your hard work. I wish you prosperity and success in all your endeavors. Keep kicking ass.
Damn, for a relatively small podcast you're managing to pull in some pretty high profile guests.
Guests who many people maybe haven't heard of, but probably should've heard of.
When you're like this guy though, other intelligent people will work with you because they can feel out who you are and probably like you. They probably know the reach and impact of podcasts is high and feel super glad to sit with this dude. He cares a lot. Watch that one two pods ago where the feed lost an hour and you'll see this dudes professional Integrity. As far as I know he's our main or only high conciousness lens Into this stuff. Plus u bet this girls like him. He's a sweet dude. We're all gonna see this dude for as long as he feels like being in the light is necessary. He's doin a great service. Thanks dude!
Cannot agree more, goob job Lex!
his podcast maybe small but Lex Fridman is one of the most credible people in the deep learning and AI sector lol
It's also fascinating that they all seem to know each other. Joe, Weinstein(s), Shapiro, Ruben, Fridman, etc. but also Yang, Gabbard, Lee, Elon and more :)
Retraining routine job workers for non-routine careers is dubious at best.
I love Lex Fridman's interview style. His emphasis on heart, soul, cultural history/legacies and of course tech. Very enriching.
"why we exist in this world could be influenced by society too much, its only when facing death that you see what is truly important to you" - Kai-Fu Lee
Great podcast with Kaifu Lee! Really appreciate having a different perspective other than guests from the western world. Thanks Lex!
Kai-Fu Lee's english is very, very good. Super impressive. He's also very careful in his articulation, humble in his portrayal of where his expertise is and isn't and well put together generally. Great guest. I'll have to see what else there is out there about him... I'd never heard of him prior to this.
Well he moved to the US when he was 12 and went to high school and college in the US. So it's not totally surprising that his English is good.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kai-Fu_Lee
Your interview with Mr. Lee is one of the most informative I've heard in quite awhile. Thanks!
We need to approach the problem of AI very Kai-Fu Lee
XD omg you made my day
DirtyAtreyu
gay lil pinky.
I see that I am too late ...
Ethnic puns..
lol nice
damn, Lex. It is cool to see how many bigshots you can get on this podcast. i found this guest very insightful and his message at the end while generic to be very beautiful. while striving for success is great, it is wise not to foget one's family and loved ones in the process.
basil Bass generic? fuck you! that shit was deeply impactful and not talked nearly about nearly as much as it should.
On of your best shows. Kai-Fu Lee also hit all the good points very eloquently. Thanks for sharing
Dear Lex, I stumbled into your podcast with Kai-Fu Lee who I already know about as a great contributor to AI and to many subjects, but I was truly impressed by the thoughtful questions you asked and your ability to articulate and to draw out many profound observations from Mr. Lee. Congratulations!
Lee Kai Fu has a way of answering questions about AI that makes it very easy for the average listeners to understand.
The UBI proposed by andrew yang is not a solution to loss of job that are coming as he himself has stated on many occasions. The UBI will help the American people manage and navigate during that transitional period.. Thus whatever the displaced worker will decide on, he or she might do so as at their own discretion...Mr Kai-Fu Lee yang's approach is actually the most logical for that phase of transitioning into another job #yang2020
Lex, I had to read his book on the relationship between China and Silicon Valley for one of my college courses. I’ve been a long time fan but am just now seeing this interview, thank you for all your hard.
Great podcast, Lex. You're quickly becoming one of my favorite podcasters. Can't wait for the Yang podcast.
This is a really great episode, thanks Lex
Thanks for the podcast. Really enjoyed the conversation.
57 minutes in, Kai-Fu Lee resonates effortlessly. He's somewhere between brutal and tactful honesty and there's a lot of meaningful opinions and examples and he speaks freely about some pretty wild, abstract concepts but he's really right, it sounds like. Infrastructure, the competitive cities, effective retraining, it's awesome and we're all spectators to it. I like the points about healthcare, through and through a great interview great question posed and lots of quotable moments.
I think it's because he works in the VC space, meaning he has to be straightforward and honest, since he is betting a lot of resources to whatever endeavours he is talking about.
Interesting to see more venture funds focusing on Artificial Intelligence! Great podcast!
When is Andrew Yang coming to the show? I’m so anxious to see him respond or counter Kai point of no string attached UBI. I’m sure he agrees on finding life meaning, but man, we need to flush out the ideas of AI impact and inform the public. Beautiful discussion!
This is one of the best interviews yet!!!
Lex, having my light roast coffee on a study break. Enjoying the content, defining my vision further. Love you.
Thanks for the great episode! At 40:16, Kai-Fu Lee gives the best explanation of Artificial Intelligence I ever heard.
This episode is excellent! Extremely interesting and pertinent questions met with beautifully thought out articulate answers. Thanks for this!
Just discovered this channel. Great stuff! Thanks.
Request an interview with Peter Thiel next please.
Yes please Lex!
We'll make it happen.
Check out Eric Weinstein's podcast with Thiel (first episode), in the meantime ;)
R32KLR you say that like Lex lives next door to him
Peter turned into a Nazi
Thank you Lex and Kai Fu Lee for the profound conversation about work and AI and meaning and love in face of death.
Kai-Fu Lee, such a humble person!
Kai-Fu Lee's book is great, his thoughts on AI are phenomenal, but his thoughts at the end on love are what makes this for me. . . wow!!!
My favorite podcast of yours so far @lexfridman
at 46:00, the part about retraining - it's basically impossible to retrain a large percent of aging "routine job" workers to do jobs of the future. Lee is smart and probably right about AI, but is not thinking outside of his own intellectual bubble regarding realistic solutions. UBI is the only realistic solution/transition for these types of workers. Ultimately, that person's value should not be tied to a subsistence job anyway.
Heather Larson I say that it’s not realistic because it literally hasn’t been in real life according to studies, to train aging manual workforce to do tech jobs. And it shows a misunderstanding of how hiring works in businesses. Who are the tech industry going after the most? Young, adaptable, tech-savvy 20-30 year olds, for better or worse. And money does come from “nowhere” if so many jobs no longer need to be done. Automation is massively profitable.
The questions are so well thought and it makes the conversation so much more insightful.
Great interview mate. Well done
This was a great episode, thank you!!
What a great interview. Really enjoyed it
I have immeasurable respect for Kai-Fu Lee
Lee is very well spoken, thoroughly enjoyed the interview, thanks Lex!
This is one of the most awesome channels I have ever found. RUclips should be recommending this to EVERYONE!
Such an interesting podcast, thanks Lex, your interviewing skills keep getting better!!
I loved the part about his family. Thanks Kai-Fu!
Really appreciated Dr. Lee's insights, knowledge and wisdom, which are truly needed nowadays.
This made my day. Brilliant and inspiring.
Wow ive been looking for an ai podcast for ever! Finally.
Wow Kai-Fu Lee is one of the most eloquent and well versed Chinese person I've heard. Sorry for this profiling, but honestly just by listening to him I admire him. I think I'll buy one of his books.
An excellent talk. Great questions, I like how you kept the personal questions to the end. Great way to run a show by starting at the IQ end of the spectrum and closing it with the EQ end.
Excellent podcast! Thank you 😊
Dude....this was a beautiful intellectual conversation....thank you for.... simply listening at times...
Amazing podcast and guest. very informative on AI and China's contribution. Only of few which I listened over again not to miss any great insight. Thx Lex
Some real bright pearls of insight. Thank you so much.
Loved the conversation. Thanks, Lex!
6:06 Oh!!!!! I'm cleaning my project data when listenning here.
And I'm studying Data Analysis...
Thank you so much for these.
Thanks Lex & Mr.Lee for this informative video~! 👋
Thanks Lex! I think this was the most positive podcast of yours with practical advice to deal with future both at an individual (learn to plumb;) to social (having trust in each other to deal with global issues)
Wow I've heard of this guy Kai-Fi before but now I'm really sold on this guy. His knowledge and insight are unparalleled especially his comparison of silicon valley vs. china trends
Just adding in here a comment to say verbally that I liked this podcast better than few others.. May be because Kai-Fu Lee's answers seemed unbiased and honest (to me), gave insights into the practical issues and and possible practical solutions, rectified the hype around "AI is at rise", how companies and governments around the world are adopting to AI (Chinese infrastructures with built in sensors to facilitate Autonomous Vehicle test circuits), scenario of the AI startups and the differentiation between ML against AGI based startups' planning and approaches, and the human touch - about his life experience (cancer) and after-effects (much useful for upcoming workaholics if they would like to help themselves) and the final question by @Lex_Fridman and Kai-Fu Lee's answer, really carefully thought, beautifully put and quickly replied.
Wow.. that was fantastic...Kai-fu has Incredible insight, advice, knowledge even outside his expertise... I loved his answers to the very last... 👍
Thanks for this episode Lex :)
Very good questions, especially the starting ones, chinese soul, russian soul, differences etc. Thanks for this :)
Exceptional talk! Great job.
This is really good stuff. Kaifu is a person with great insight to tech startups and AI and East-West culture difference.
Kai-Fu Lee is a very famous CIA spy！！！！！！！！！
Great interview, thanks a lot. However...
...an inordinate amount of comparing between U.S. and China-always about which is better, in what areas, why.
(Touch on it here and there, sure; but curious how much Li keeps coming back to it.)
Very informative interview.
Thx, again.
this is whats needed, to talk and listen about this problem, muchas gracias!
Thank you for this. really enjoyed it....
Amazing interview. Thank you Lex
Great interview !
Gangster Interview! Bravo!
спасибо, дружище, за это интервью =)
Incredibly insightful conversation! Thanks, Lex!
I was wondering if you would like to invite Yuval Harari to your podcast. Would be interesting to see historian's perspective on AI and disruptive technologies. And he is quite insightful too!
SOLID EPISODE!
wow, how did you contact and get him. great interview
Fascinating! Thank you.
Wow the name in the game, I really enjoyed this interview
Great interview! super insightful and open. Can you please interview Judea Pearl next?
Great talk Lex! I appreciate Kai-Fu's openness!
Thank you!
He says Andrew Yang misses the part about Retraining people for work when Yang doesn’t miss that part he shows the numbers on how bad we are with retraining and then shows the numbers on how much more money is being made by people who you put money in there hands. With no money there is no opportunity. Put the money in the citizens hands and we will prosper.
I find it interesting that we often hear complaints about the great Chinese firewall, etc. We do forget that if they hadn't done that, they would probably been overrun by Silicone Wally and we would never have seen the products and applications coming out of China.
This podcast is making me smarter everyday, definitely
I'm just curious what Kai Fu Lee thinks about block chain technology, not Bitcoin in particular.
Wow what a great interview. You are very skilled.
Man I'm about halfway through, but this is crazy enlightening about how China handles their infrastructure considering their national infrastructure bank is the world's largest. Great interview.
Lex bro, like always your interview ! God is good
Really enjoyed this, his perspective his refreshing m.
I think Kai-Fu Lee did summarize his book (AI Superpowers) in the podcast. Very insightful opinion by him.
I share the same opinion regarding hard work and finding balance. Our families & relations are what drives us in the first place as such regardless of what undertakings we might have, we should always strike balance.
I was hoping to hear the opinion on the state or probably the potentials of AI in other places say Africa rather than US & China or did I miss something?
Great and thought invoking interview
Would love to see Andrew Yang on your show if you can?
Yeah, get Andrew Yang on the show, will you?
Hi, are these podcasts available on Spotify? Thanks
Jordan P they are.
open.spotify.com/show/2MAi0BvDc6GTFvKFPXnkCL?si=CRlb_8VgTF6uhPVp4ryWSA
Good podcast.
Wow, Lex Fridman mentioned Andrew Yang.
Is there a possibility to see him on the podcast? :)
And damnn the guests you are getting 🔥 🔥 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
amazing interview
This podcast was so good, and a very candid overview of potential future scenarios. Sadly the, "If we start to prepare now" never happened and here we are in 2023 with histrionics around AI at an all time high. Podcasts from 4/5 years ago on AI appear to have a more solid scalable strategy on how to manage the machine revolution.
started as Kaifu Lee, ended up as my Shifu Lee
Lex we need John Carmack. Thank you for what you are doing!
The service you provide is so admirable. You are an American hero that was born in a foreign nation. That fascinates me.
😬👍
very interesting! great guest.
You can see clearly here the intelligence and insights of a Chinese person. It’s very obvious here b/c the guy speaks fluent English . Imagine how many Chinese men and women are just as intelligent but we never get to witness it b/c of language barrier .
Lex, thank-you for all you do to bring us world class pod casts. I have learned so much from you, Joe Rogan, Eric Weinstein and Peter Thiel. You have truly enriched my world.
This is really great perspective