Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Mailgun: lexfridman.com/mailgun - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off - Onnit: lexfridman.com/onnit to get up to 10% off - Indeed: indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit - Magic Spoon: magicspoon.com/lex and use code LEX to get $5 off 1:01 - Turing Test 8:27 - Video games 30:02 - Simulation 32:13 - Consciousness 37:13 - AlphaFold 50:53 - Solving intelligence 1:03:12 - Open sourcing AlphaFold & MuJoCo 1:13:18 - Nuclear fusion 1:17:22 - Quantum simulation 1:20:30 - Physics 1:23:57 - Origin of life 1:28:36 - Aliens 1:36:43 - Intelligent life 1:39:52 - Conscious AI 1:53:07 - Power 1:57:37 - Advice for young people 2:05:43 - Meaning of life
@@BeckyYork That's a question about making evolutionary models humanly scrutable. I hazard to guess that the result would look like a massive expert-system, similar to how humans tried to build A.I. in the past. I propose an experiment wherein one trains an evolutionary model (like AlphaFold) on the topic, trains a language model (like GPT3) on a relevant dictionary, and couples the latter to the former on another axis/dimension (so not in the layers of the evolutionary model, but orthogonal to that). Finally couple to that yet another model (maybe like GATO/MuZero) that based on the words of the language model has to mimic the steps and replicate the result of the evolutionary model. --> A Chinese whisper game wherein the language model has to produce succinct, human legible results (so a reward/distance function where the similarity of text to the language model is correlated positively, but the length of the strategy is correlated negatively). Thank you, Lex! And thank you, Demis! My dream as a (environmental) software engineer is to start working with A.I. as the automation of labor has the biggest potential to preserve biodiversity. This interview inspires me to cover the gap from being a simple software engineer to A.I. engineer.
For those who may not know, Demis is a legitimate genius. He had a 2300 Elo rating in chess at 13, went to college several years early and then became arguably the most important innovator in the race for general intelligence. This man is no joke.
@@PrashantMaurice it is a rating system that instead of going like 1,2 ,3, and 3 being the largest ( or vice versa (being number 1 is the best), it is a more contestual rating where you get sort of a default rating as you start, and as you keep playing against different players your rating is matched against theirs. Meaning the system's purpose is to measure one against the peers. Might not be the perfect system, but it means that the best of the best will always come out on top. Slight turn of it is that it means due to dominance the limits of what can be achieved can get stretched to new highs, so essentially you could get a good rating in the past, that gets surpassed in the future due to the fact that such a person overpowers his/her peers consistently. That does not mean that someone dominating 50 years ago is worse than someone dominating right now. Anyway, the rating being talked about is definitely better than current average. Is anyone surprised? Dude is smart, especially in logical areas and those do tend to transcend. At the end of the day you could take someone from a similar rating, most likely a fairly inteligent person, but that would not mean a damn thing for sake of the topic - the AI systems. So it is a bit like saying, sure a dude proficient in logical things is doing well at logical things. Lets clap. Needless to say, there is a lot of hard work involved and i would clap, but i do not think people should be conflating all of this. With all of that said, chess benefits this guy a lot. Patterns, action patterns, How things work. The cherry on top is his mention of Black & White video game. Overall i would say this individual was VERY interested in fairly similar things from very different fields and it helped him form the vision. What leads to what. Whether it is game, an element reacting to another element, or chess opponent. Chess in this case is just a piece... on a chessboard lel. Focus personified with amplification of technology. A lot of us have ideas, some of us even have great ideas. Plenty of us have good capacity for calculations, problem solving. Having such a focus, while still keeping a wide cone of inflow of information is what makes him sets him apart. You could say, makes him genius. Just doing all of that at once, consistently for many years. Tl;DR: make sure your children get education.
Demis is one of the true heroes of our era. A genius who has been world-class in everything he has put his mind to, from chess to video game engineering to neuroscience. He's one of the few industry leaders with such inarguable credentials. And now he's risen above individual achievements to managing what's probably the most productive "lab" in the world. Most people who work at DeepMind regard him as a brilliant and visionary manager. What makes Demis so unusual is how humble he is. I'm genuinely thankful for him.
@@jamesbarlow6423 that's because what he is saying in this podcast is going well over your head... Ted is right possibly because he knows Abit more in this subject.
@@ILoveBluePeople . Er no Tobin I've listened to all of them and none of it has ever "gone over my head" as you put it. In fact, the intellectual naïvete is pretty alarming!
What I appreciate about Demis is that he seems like a good guy, one I'd enjoy going to a pub with. If we have AI pioneers, let them be as smart and grounded as Demis.
Lex is on home turf, asking deeper questions than Demis is used to. And Demis himself, perhaps more than any researcher, has brought AI in from the cold with the stunning results of Alpha Go and Alpha Fold.
Well, I guess that's why "Information Technology" is a better term. Here in Germany CS is called "Informatik" basically alluding to the notion that the field of study mainly pertains to information (or the automatic processing there of).
It's a straight quote from over 40 years ago, from the Hal Abelson, one of the co-authors of the legendary, "Structure & Interpretation of Computer Programming". See here: ruclips.net/video/-J_xL4IGhJA/видео.html
The beauty of asking the right questions. And the pleasure of hearing answers from a mind as brilliant, yet humble, as that of Demis Hassabis. Fabulous. Thank you!
I'm impressed by the breadth of vision of Demis. He keeps a list of fundamental problems in multiple scientific fields and regularly checks whether they can be solved by deep learning.
It is amazing to the point of being emotionally moving honestly. What an incredible service to the future of humankind. This man’s life did not go to waste, and those who experience life after him will be far better off because of his existence.
What a fantastic interview!!! You asked Demis all the questions I wanted to ask and quite a few I wouldn't have thought of. It made watching this as good as or better than being able to spend 2 hours with him myself. You were clearly very well prepared for this interview. Excellent job.... really excellent!
Hey Lex, next time you ask a, “day in the life”, and someone describes a schedule where they work 18 hours a day, can you follow up by asking them about their sleep and caffeine/supplement habits? I’m curious if a lot of these super productive geniuses really just need a lot less sleep than the rest of us.
It's a really good thing for ones own sake to remember how often we make monoliths out of people like this. There are definitely lots of amazing people out there like that, and it _does_ merit some level of reverence and respect, I think, but it's also a lot of iteration and reimagining done on their part, building on what "normal" people have done in their fields.
This. Also, he never answered the setup question! Given his proclivity to use pen and paper, I’m assuming he just uses a simple 💻, and doesn’t have like a 4-external-monitor setup, with a crazy mechanical keyboard, or anything like that…
@@KayLee-lw5iv I think the takeaway is everyone has to work out what works for them. Starting work at 11am and then a second day at 11pm is definitely something that he had to discover about himself.
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17 "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39°
The best podcast I've seen in a while. Demis is such a humble genius. Thanks for asking all those thought provoking questions which allowed us to take a quick peak into the thought process of this wonderful mind. Truly amazing.
That is my favorite interview of all the ones I saw you conduct so far Lex. It was clear, focused and Demis was welcoming and cooperative to make the most out of the time constraint. He never got lost in the weeds, he offered his thoughts on a topic and went along with what you deemed the most interesting, with warmth. For being who he is, doing what he does, he is surprisingly aware and socially adept.
Lex you are a legend, I’ve been listening for a while now and this is one of the best yet. I hadn’t heard much of Demis until this, he’s now my hero, what a guy!
All I can say is Thank you, Lex, for bringing this fantastic interview to us all. Demis undoubtedly is one of the most brilliant minds in the scientific community, and being able to access that mind through your perfectly timed questions is nothing short of a great gift. The content you are creating is superb; once again, thank you for your brilliant work.
This has to be one of the most underrated channels on RUclips. You never fail to bring brilliant guests and thought provoking content. Thank you, Lex, you’re the real MVP.
What a beautiful brain he has. He can express his thoughts so clearly and found answers to things I didn't even have questions about. Thanks a lot for this very interesting conversation!
Built an AI that can play a game in the age of 12, then in the age of 13-14, built a game with an AI component that sold miliions of copies around the world, all of that without all of the ready made libraries and tools of today. WTF
Two guys both with intelligence and knowledge only very few people have, talking to each other in a way that is not intimidating but truly enlightening to a mere mortal like myself is enjoyable beyond any words I have at my disposal. Thanks to both of you.
Demis is an incredible guy. I met him through the DeepMind scholarship programme. They paid for my postgrad degree in Computer Vision. They are truly changing lives and I'll forever be grateful for those amazing people working there.
Amazing interview as always, Lex! If I could be so bold as to put forth a suggestion, asking Demis more explicit questions about AI safety would be on the list
this is the best podcast I've listened to on this channel. thank you so much Lex, for doing this for us. you are truly the best "tool" for spreading knowledge, making us curious about the universe, everything.
This guy is awesome... Plus the English accent makes listening to a conversation pleasant regardless of topic. But Demis is out there making it happen for real, which is really exceptional.
Then you may have been pre-exposed to what you could expect. I was reluctant and now understand your comment after listening and cleaning my windows and balcony while listening and learning by leaps and bounds.
Very refreshing to have an informed, intelligent interviewer conversing with a very accomplished expert in the field of artificial intelligence among other scientific specialties and being given the time to deep dive into the various subjects. Enjoyed it a lot!
This was really insightful for a young AI enthusiast like myself, Lex. Thanks for all of these understandings and perspectives from the world's most powerful minds.
Beautiful, insightful and inspiring. I had goosebumps, almost teared up during some parts of this one. This would stay with me for a long long time “We may be the mechanism by which the universe is trying to understand itself” Thanks Lex :)
One of the most influential AI persons of our time in my favorite podcast. This is a treat. I love the thought that future AI will analyze this interview as an important cultural milestone right before the technological singularity.
Wonderful interview with Demis Hassabis, thank you again! I found several aspects of the discussion fascinating: the thought with which Demis gave to the Deep Mind project prior to its 2010 start, his rationale for initial focus on closed gaming systems, his likening of ML as a useful tool for biology as mathematics is to physics, his plans to create within ML interactions of proteins ultimately leading to a synthetic biological cell which with will allow us ideally to explore the origins of life, the limitations of the Turing test as a definitive proof of consciousness, and several other thought provoking points. You have a knack for getting extraordinary guests, and in the long form interview format allowing them an unbridled and largely unedited opportunity to share their thoughts - and themselves - with your audience. Great job!
to have so many brilliant minds respond on the highest technical and humane levels is a testament to respecting the same levels from the host. Thank you Lex.
Demis is a fantastic communicator and talks about complex, technical and novel ideas in a very understandable way, any interview of him is a definite watch!
Dear Lex, you have been thanking a lot of the people you talk to recently for their contribution to what they do. I would like to thank you for what you do. Your approach to all types of topics is admirably open and always in mind of the larger picture. Keep doing what you do :) Eric.
This man might be the Leonardo da Vinci of our generation, what a pleasure to follow what he and the guys at Deep Mind are doing and what a time to be alive!
Considering Demis’ comments on Conscious AI requiring well-constructed guard rails as opposed to public a/b testing (chatgpt), I think we need an update on this interview Lex 🙏🏽
Demis Hassabis: "[...] and in machine learning what we've always found is that the more end to end you can make it the better the system." [47:36 - 47:42]
When I was young I played with Black&White a lot. Now It turns out one of my hero (Demis) involved in making this amazing game. It blows my mind... I am really grateful for Demis living in this beautiful time and for Lex sharing the story behind the mind of a genius.
One of the greatest interview that caught my attention and the most interesting people of the modern time. Now Demis is one of the most searching person in my research, his works and life
To me; probably the greatest interview I've ever seen. Demis and team are changing the world - in a mild mannered way - an order of magnitude beyond what Elon achieves (great as that is). Deepmind are stirring scientific revolutions at an incredible pace; catapulting the human race forwards.
It is a great interview - arguably the first of Lex' series that I was truly glad to listen to in its full length. It feels preposterous trying to add a thought to it, but I cannot resist: At one point (reflecting Roger Penrose) Demis says studying the human mind (among other things) convinced him there is no metaphysics or quantum required for understanding intelligence. I admit, as a physicist I had to swallow when hearing metaphysics and quantum put next to one another as explanatory tools. Why would we not agree with Richard Feynman ('the world is quantum, so we better start using it for compute')? Maybe quantum is not required to understand the human mind at that specific level - but then again, humans are not the limit of interesting intelligence. I felt a bit like little Robin in 'Bewilderment' by Richard Powers, telling his astrobiologist father in a dream: 'Dad.Dad! You have no idea.'
Surely the proof that the quantum plasma pea at the Big Bang had life and consciousness in potential … is that we are here writing and reading this. To deny this would be to contradict Feynman and say that science does understand the quantum universe … it isn’t destined to “shut up and calculate” Would have to deny cause and effect systems theory .. the fact that the Univerae is a unified field … there are no particles . That field is a field of nested holons all the way up and down . Our bodies are nested holons of cells and organs … ditto universe galaxies stars black holes. Would deny that the definition of Universe is … all that is was and will be eternally … out with time and space. Would be to deny that the transcendent territory of geometry and mathematics and the four forces didn’t shape the living conscious plasma energy into Einstein and Mickey Mouse … with just some cooling and clumping relating growing ( call it evolving ) and waiting around for 14 billion years for it all to unfold like and egg to a chicken … without one single human thought .. for 14 billion years. That IS the story … why doesn’t science tell it that way. Militant materialism … pure and simple Atomism and the void … verses a living holonic quantum level entangled holographic field which … by definition IS all that is was and will be and is probably cycling through birth and death eternally … outwith time and space (Penrose) Just like … US Science - “ Why would the Universe be just like us” Children leave school believing this guff. No wonder physics is at a particle seeking brick wall and Biology and computer science are now ripe to inform physics They won’t listen. How can something made from the beliefs of militant materialism listen to all that “hippy guff”. This is why the planet is dying … unenlightened capitalism wedded to atomistic science … conducted as if the Universe isn’t alive and conscious at every system level…. Big bang plasma to Mickey Mouse. It’s as obvious as the planets we knew were circling every star … before we had the “proof”
I can't describe the feeling I had when listening to this one. I hope you get Demis back on. I hope I can work on systems that have such a massive impact on the world in the future. I absolutely loved this episode!
Watching this after ChatGPT was released...used the prompt that Demis came up with to create a new game that would resemble the basis of GO. The results are quite impressive haha
This is such an incredible interview, a real merging of minds and opening of the door to what we truly want to learn. The fact this is just the beginning of all this blows my (deepest) mind.
This is like seeing a movie, it might feel real but is not until you just remember is just a movie. Whatever you think is real, becomes real, at the end you have the decision. We are creators, but never ever think we can create at the same level at the creator , with land tools. The robot one day can cry, but is not real, is just a movie. Whatever we create can have benefits or works against us. Like the phone , someone using it 24hrs nonstop, other using it to help then make the life easier. Be safe.
My god Lex, this is the most fascinating interview I've seen in my life. This should be seen by every beginning college student, followed by a computer science, physics, math, philosophy or any other scientifically capable professor to answer students questions, and also encouragement of student questions and participation. Denis Hassenbis is fantastic, as well as yourself.
lex thank you so much for your absolute treasure trove of a podcast. in my opinion it is one of the best channels on all of youtube. please never stop, thank you!!!
Lex, I lost count of how many of these podcasts I have meticulously listened to / parts of them over and over. This conversation w Demi’s is the Best so far. To give it context, It tops the one with Leroy Cronin. That podcast was the top one for me until this one - even though I have many favorites. Kudos. Thank you for the hard work. Like wealth and health and beauty, it all comes from hard work. Doesn’t it? I hope you read this.
And one more thing: your last “dark” question about Demi’s being the ONE that may be the one who is a key part of delivering on AGI - was the best. And he answered it like a great diplomat.
As usual, brilliant and inspiring. I was not familiar with Demis Hassabis himself (DeepMind, of course). He is clearly a polymath and genius. Thanks, Lex, for the introduction. By the way, I enjoyed your interventions a great deal too.
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1:01 - Turing Test
8:27 - Video games
30:02 - Simulation
32:13 - Consciousness
37:13 - AlphaFold
50:53 - Solving intelligence
1:03:12 - Open sourcing AlphaFold & MuJoCo
1:13:18 - Nuclear fusion
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1:20:30 - Physics
1:23:57 - Origin of life
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1:39:52 - Conscious AI
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1:57:37 - Advice for young people
2:05:43 - Meaning of life
How can you say you have an AI themed podcast and not have had Demis on until now?! It's about time! Epic 😁
Are you an AI? The more I look at your Lego hair, the more you look like a Robot ... 🤭
@@BeckyYork That's a question about making evolutionary models humanly scrutable. I hazard to guess that the result would look like a massive expert-system, similar to how humans tried to build A.I. in the past.
I propose an experiment wherein one trains an evolutionary model (like AlphaFold) on the topic, trains a language model (like GPT3) on a relevant dictionary, and couples the latter to the former on another axis/dimension (so not in the layers of the evolutionary model, but orthogonal to that). Finally couple to that yet another model (maybe like GATO/MuZero) that based on the words of the language model has to mimic the steps and replicate the result of the evolutionary model. --> A Chinese whisper game wherein the language model has to produce succinct, human legible results (so a reward/distance function where the similarity of text to the language model is correlated positively, but the length of the strategy is correlated negatively).
Thank you, Lex! And thank you, Demis! My dream as a (environmental) software engineer is to start working with A.I. as the automation of labor has the biggest potential to preserve biodiversity. This interview inspires me to cover the gap from being a simple software engineer to A.I. engineer.
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For those who may not know, Demis is a legitimate genius. He had a 2300 Elo rating in chess at 13, went to college several years early and then became arguably the most important innovator in the race for general intelligence. This man is no joke.
Can you describe what's an elo rating for people who don't know
@@PrashantMaurice chess rating 2300 is really really good
@@PrashantMaurice it's essentially a percentile rating. 2300 is ~ top 1% (of EVERYONE, and he’s 13)
@@PrashantMaurice it is a rating system that instead of going like 1,2 ,3, and 3 being the largest ( or vice versa (being number 1 is the best), it is a more contestual rating where you get sort of a default rating as you start, and as you keep playing against different players your rating is matched against theirs. Meaning the system's purpose is to measure one against the peers. Might not be the perfect system, but it means that the best of the best will always come out on top.
Slight turn of it is that it means due to dominance the limits of what can be achieved can get stretched to new highs, so essentially you could get a good rating in the past, that gets surpassed in the future due to the fact that such a person overpowers his/her peers consistently. That does not mean that someone dominating 50 years ago is worse than someone dominating right now.
Anyway, the rating being talked about is definitely better than current average. Is anyone surprised? Dude is smart, especially in logical areas and those do tend to transcend. At the end of the day you could take someone from a similar rating, most likely a fairly inteligent person, but that would not mean a damn thing for sake of the topic - the AI systems.
So it is a bit like saying, sure a dude proficient in logical things is doing well at logical things. Lets clap.
Needless to say, there is a lot of hard work involved and i would clap, but i do not think people should be conflating all of this.
With all of that said, chess benefits this guy a lot. Patterns, action patterns, How things work.
The cherry on top is his mention of Black & White video game.
Overall i would say this individual was VERY interested in fairly similar things from very different fields and it helped him form the vision. What leads to what. Whether it is game, an element reacting to another element, or chess opponent.
Chess in this case is just a piece... on a chessboard lel.
Focus personified with amplification of technology.
A lot of us have ideas, some of us even have great ideas. Plenty of us have good capacity for calculations, problem solving. Having such a focus, while still keeping a wide cone of inflow of information is what makes him sets him apart. You could say, makes him genius. Just doing all of that at once, consistently for many years.
Tl;DR: make sure your children get education.
@@PrashantMaurice The rating is so strong for a thirteen year old that, at the time, he was the second highest rated player in the world for his age.
Demis is one of the true heroes of our era. A genius who has been world-class in everything he has put his mind to, from chess to video game engineering to neuroscience. He's one of the few industry leaders with such inarguable credentials. And now he's risen above individual achievements to managing what's probably the most productive "lab" in the world. Most people who work at DeepMind regard him as a brilliant and visionary manager.
What makes Demis so unusual is how humble he is. I'm genuinely thankful for him.
Amazing write up. Agreed on every level. I'm excited for the positivity he brings to humanity.
Yhee he is easy one of the top 100 most important humans.
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And I am thankful for your brilliant and recognizing comment
I had no idea who this guy was before this, but I now think your comment is spot on. He has a beautiful mind.
The most profound interview you have done, imo. Thank you for doing it.
The Hoffman interview was much more so. This guy isn't exactly creative. Rote.
sure no problem
Ted, can I have $4.99 too?
@@jamesbarlow6423 that's because what he is saying in this podcast is going well over your head... Ted is right possibly because he knows Abit more in this subject.
@@ILoveBluePeople . Er no Tobin I've listened to all of them and none of it has ever "gone over my head" as you put it. In fact, the intellectual naïvete is pretty alarming!
Give this guy a Nobel prize already! Open sourcing AlphaFold!!! Absolutely incredible human.
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The only problem here is that work was actually done by a whole bunch of other people
@@totoro_acorns How did that feel? Make you feel good?
He just got the Nobel Prize
Demmis wins the Nobel Prize !!!
You can tell Demis enjoyed this conversation and appreciated your questions. Clear mutual respect. Great interview
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Holy smokes, you give out such an aura your podcast is so unique that you really get the greatest minds in all fields to sit and talk to you.
Demis Hassabis and team 100% deserve the Nobel prize for AlphaFold, unbelievable achievement.
Indeed. It will definitely have a great benefit to humankind in medicine.
Not!
U guys just don't get it!
Nah give it to Obama
Dont believe the hype...
Met Demis at the 2018 World Chess Championahip match in London. Cool dude
Hi Agad.
Happy to see you here Antonio!
Happy to see my favorite RUclipsr watches my second favorite RUclipsr!
We love you Agad!! It was in this position that we all congratulated agadmator for running the best chess channel on youtube!!
@@kostasmanikis I think Lex has talked with Kasparov before, you should check it out
What I appreciate about Demis is that he seems like a good guy, one I'd enjoy going to a pub with. If we have AI pioneers, let them be as smart and grounded as Demis.
Yes, good emotional intelligence. Innate or nurtured
This may be one of my favourite podcast conversations of all time. Great guest, thanks!
Same 😀
@@zemanntill 🤝
Lex is on home turf, asking deeper questions than Demis is used to. And Demis himself, perhaps more than any researcher, has brought AI in from the cold with the stunning results of Alpha Go and Alpha Fold.
I was thinking the same..I'm on like my third replay in the same day today .. 💯
@@macme66 🙌
Beautiful interview and perfect quote at the end. "Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes."
Well, I guess that's why "Information Technology" is a better term.
Here in Germany CS is called "Informatik" basically alluding to the notion that the field of study mainly pertains to information (or the automatic processing there of).
It isnt Germany specific. Calling Informatics 'Computer Science' is just a silly thing places like Britain and America do.
Post Soviet countries dont do it for example.
It's a straight quote from over 40 years ago, from the Hal Abelson, one of the co-authors of the legendary, "Structure & Interpretation of Computer Programming". See here: ruclips.net/video/-J_xL4IGhJA/видео.html
@@mikhailmikhailov8781 I prefer its original term, computational science.
The beauty of asking the right questions. And the pleasure of hearing answers from a mind as brilliant, yet humble, as that of Demis Hassabis. Fabulous. Thank you!
Demis seems like an awesome human being. Having people like him at the helm makes me less afraid of our future artificial overlords.
He has a fast mind, a great gift and he absorbed a lot of knowledge which his mind refers to quickly.
you used two words that terrify me artificial overlords
silly rabbit
this dude is no difference than Dumbface machine Zuckemberg. I think people like this should be affraid. open your eyes
@@mattdwightbeheler4766 were more accustomed to natural loverlords
Ought we not always keep the "artificials"..underlords?!
it's just amazing how much you can learn from listening to two incredibly talented people converse with each other. Thank you Lex.
I'm impressed by the breadth of vision of Demis. He keeps a list of fundamental problems in multiple scientific fields and regularly checks whether they can be solved by deep learning.
It is amazing to the point of being emotionally moving honestly. What an incredible service to the future of humankind. This man’s life did not go to waste, and those who experience life after him will be far better off because of his existence.
What a fantastic interview!!!
You asked Demis all the questions I wanted to ask and quite a few I wouldn't have thought of. It made watching this as good as or better than being able to spend 2 hours with him myself. You were clearly very well prepared for this interview.
Excellent job.... really excellent!
Waited so long for this to happen. Stunning conversation, so many interesting thoughts. Please let there be a round 2 in the future!
Ohhhhhh there it is. One of those epic moments in Lex convo history.
Finally, you decided to get this! Glad I can support the podcast in a small way.
I know nothing about AI and this is my favorite podcast of all time. So eloquent and somehow down to earth. Bravo 💙
Hey Lex, next time you ask a, “day in the life”, and someone describes a schedule where they work 18 hours a day, can you follow up by asking them about their sleep and caffeine/supplement habits?
I’m curious if a lot of these super productive geniuses really just need a lot less sleep than the rest of us.
And how much time for family is in there. It sounded like he does not see his family in the morning.
It's a really good thing for ones own sake to remember how often we make monoliths out of people like this. There are definitely lots of amazing people out there like that, and it _does_ merit some level of reverence and respect, I think, but it's also a lot of iteration and reimagining done on their part, building on what "normal" people have done in their fields.
This. Also, he never answered the setup question! Given his proclivity to use pen and paper, I’m assuming he just uses a simple 💻, and doesn’t have like a 4-external-monitor setup, with a crazy mechanical keyboard, or anything like that…
@@KayLee-lw5iv I think the takeaway is everyone has to work out what works for them. Starting work at 11am and then a second day at 11pm is definitely something that he had to discover about himself.
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39°
Been waiting for this day for a couple of years. Glad you finally got the genius on the show!
Wow just wow, this is probably the best interview I've ever seen. So much respect for Demis Hassabis he's a true genius realizing all his potential.
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The best podcast I've seen in a while. Demis is such a humble genius.
Thanks for asking all those thought provoking questions which allowed us to take a quick peak into the thought process of this wonderful mind. Truly amazing.
That is my favorite interview of all the ones I saw you conduct so far Lex. It was clear, focused and Demis was welcoming and cooperative to make the most out of the time constraint. He never got lost in the weeds, he offered his thoughts on a topic and went along with what you deemed the most interesting, with warmth. For being who he is, doing what he does, he is surprisingly aware and socially adept.
Lex you are a legend, I’ve been listening for a while now and this is one of the best yet. I hadn’t heard much of Demis until this, he’s now my hero, what a guy!
Watch the AlphaGo documentary if you haven’t already!!
All I can say is Thank you, Lex, for bringing this fantastic interview to us all.
Demis undoubtedly is one of the most brilliant minds in the scientific community, and being able to access that mind through your perfectly timed questions is nothing short of a great gift.
The content you are creating is superb; once again, thank you for your brilliant work.
Demis is the true picture of what human intelligence is and what can it do....Huge Respect for him....
This has to be one of the most underrated channels on RUclips. You never fail to bring brilliant guests and thought provoking content. Thank you, Lex, you’re the real MVP.
Really nice to get know Demis a bit through this conversation. He is so normal, for such a super intelligent person.
What a beautiful brain he has. He can express his thoughts so clearly and found answers to things I didn't even have questions about. Thanks a lot for this very interesting conversation!
Beautiful mind*
Yes! IQ off the charts, 60 points higher than Einstein's IQ...
Built an AI that can play a game in the age of 12, then in the age of 13-14, built a game with an AI component that sold miliions of copies around the world, all of that without all of the ready made libraries and tools of today.
WTF
With this dude, we don't need AGI.
I didnt know, still the best theme park game ive ever played. Its on my steam library
@@julius43461 This made my day
Learning he’s a night owl and he manages it and still being that brilliant is making sooooo happy.
It’s refreshing to see a man of that intellect having the ability to explain an idea in simple, jargon free, English.
Really great interview - There should be a second one with Demis Hassabis !! would really appreciate that
This is so awesome. I love to watch any and all interviews with Demis.
Two guys both with intelligence and knowledge only very few people have, talking to each other in a way that is not intimidating but truly enlightening to a mere mortal like myself is enjoyable beyond any words I have at my disposal. Thanks to both of you.
This is wild. Thank you!
Lex, this is one of your best podcasts.
Hassabis needs to write a book on AGI.
I can't wait to read it!
👣
Demis is an incredible guy. I met him through the DeepMind scholarship programme. They paid for my postgrad degree in Computer Vision. They are truly changing lives and I'll forever be grateful for those amazing people working there.
Amazing interview as always, Lex!
If I could be so bold as to put forth a suggestion, asking Demis more explicit questions about AI safety would be on the list
When the logic is good, its easy to understand complex ideas. Thank you Lex, another gr8 one.
this is the best podcast I've listened to on this channel. thank you so much Lex, for doing this for us. you are truly the best "tool" for spreading knowledge, making us curious about the universe, everything.
This guy is awesome... Plus the English accent makes listening to a conversation pleasant regardless of topic. But Demis is out there making it happen for real, which is really exceptional.
Never have I clicked faster on a video notification!
Same 🎉
Same!
Same here. Super happy and pumped to see this interview. Great first question by the way. :)
Then you may have been pre-exposed to what you could expect. I was reluctant and now understand your comment after listening and cleaning my windows and balcony while listening and learning by leaps and bounds.
Wow you got Demis on board - that is absolutely brilliant . Have been waiting for this one for a long time - can’t wait to listen to it
I discovered Lex's podcast just a month ago, every episode is a delight to listen to, great host, exceptional guests
Very refreshing to have an informed, intelligent interviewer conversing with a very accomplished expert in the field of artificial intelligence among other scientific specialties and being given the time to deep dive into the various subjects. Enjoyed it a lot!
This was really insightful for a young AI enthusiast like myself, Lex. Thanks for all of these understandings and perspectives from the world's most powerful minds.
That was one of the best interviews I've ever seen. It makes me happy that the cutting edge of AI is in the hands of this guy.
Beautiful, insightful and inspiring. I had goosebumps, almost teared up during some parts of this one. This would stay with me for a long long time
“We may be the mechanism by which the universe is trying to understand itself”
Thanks Lex :)
Same here... I got tear on my eyes during the first 10-15 minutes.
Two AGI robots without a utility function sit on a park bench.
Thanks!
This is one of the rarest podcasts that I’m going to save and watch it periodically again and again, until the next one with Demis…
There are few things in life as inspiring as listening to your conversations. Thanks for existing!
One of the most influential AI persons of our time in my favorite podcast. This is a treat. I love the thought that future AI will analyze this interview as an important cultural milestone right before the technological singularity.
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I just rewatched Alphago the movie the other day on YT. So happy to see this interview come up!
lex i love that you offer multiple questions for the guest to answer. let them decide where to go with it a bit like you do. great job
Wonderful interview with Demis Hassabis, thank you again!
I found several aspects of the discussion fascinating: the thought with which Demis gave to the Deep Mind project prior to its 2010 start, his rationale for initial focus on closed gaming systems, his likening of ML as a useful tool for biology as mathematics is to physics, his plans to create within ML interactions of proteins ultimately leading to a synthetic biological cell which with will allow us ideally to explore the origins of life, the limitations of the Turing test as a definitive proof of consciousness, and several other thought provoking points.
You have a knack for getting extraordinary guests, and in the long form interview format allowing them an unbridled and largely unedited opportunity to share their thoughts - and themselves - with your audience. Great job!
I understand the theme usually... but I'm thankful we're in a well-lit room for this podcast.
This conversiation was an absolute joy to listen to! So, Demis is the creator of my giant pet ape in Black and White.
Can't believe he helped make Theme Park! Those 'Theme' games were absolutely brilliant.
@@riggmeister Yes! Have such fond memories from that game.
Yhee most of his sentenses could be an episod in itself, I am used to it by now.
There are fewer moore info dence people as Demis.
Yes, the giant pet ape (or cow, or tiger) that wouldn't learn to stop eating its own poo.
The jokes just write themselves.
to have so many brilliant minds respond on the highest technical and humane levels is a testament to respecting the same levels from the host. Thank you Lex.
The best guests of any podcast out there. Demis Hassabis! Thanks, Lex.
This guy and conversation is truly amazing. What immense intelligence
I played Theme Park as a kid and still have music and vomit sounds of it randomly in my head from time to time. Truly this man is a genius.
Demis is a fantastic communicator and talks about complex, technical and novel ideas in a very understandable way, any interview of him is a definite watch!
Dear Lex,
you have been thanking a lot of the people you talk to recently for their contribution to what they do. I would like to thank you for what you do. Your approach to all types of topics is admirably open and always in mind of the larger picture.
Keep doing what you do :)
Eric.
What a rich and meaningfull conversation! Thank you so much for this interview, one can get so much insights from it!
The most beautiful quote I have heard in my life: "The human brain built a computer to understand itself and the universe it lives in".
It’s so cool that we are alive during this time of the true pioneers of AI. This man will be in the “textbooks” forever
This man might be the Leonardo da Vinci of our generation, what a pleasure to follow what he and the guys at Deep Mind are doing and what a time to be alive!
I thought the same thing - except I chose Michelangelo! Lex and Demis are both Renaissance Men!
Considering Demis’ comments on Conscious AI requiring well-constructed guard rails as opposed to public a/b testing (chatgpt), I think we need an update on this interview Lex 🙏🏽
Demis is one of the greatest minds of this generation. Godspeed you beautiful man
Demis is the most rational, complete and intelligent person I’ve heard in 50 years
Brilliant to rewatch today. I would love a new conversation with Demis.
Demis Hassabis: "[...] and in machine learning what we've always found is that the more end to end you can make it the better the system." [47:36 - 47:42]
Grateful for this conversation and the work that DeepMind is doing. Exciting times we live in.
This dude won the 2024 Nobel prize in chemistry for AlphaFold
When I was young I played with Black&White a lot. Now It turns out one of my hero (Demis) involved in making this amazing game. It blows my mind...
I am really grateful for Demis living in this beautiful time and for Lex sharing the story behind the mind of a genius.
One of the greatest interview that caught my attention and the most interesting people of the modern time. Now Demis is one of the most searching person in my research, his works and life
What a great conversation between two guys who can't wait to join the borg. The light wins in end. Much love guys.
Just found this channel two days ago! Excellent content, man! Thanks a lot and greetings from Finland! 🇫🇮
Welcome
Lots of great guests, but also wackos - thread with care. From geniuses like Hassabis/Carmack - all the way to crazy Alex Jones clones.
This was a great birthday present Lex, thank you for this interview
Thanks
To me; probably the greatest interview I've ever seen. Demis and team are changing the world - in a mild mannered way - an order of magnitude beyond what Elon achieves (great as that is). Deepmind are stirring scientific revolutions at an incredible pace; catapulting the human race forwards.
Agreed
It is a great interview - arguably the first of Lex' series that I was truly glad to listen to in its full length.
It feels preposterous trying to add a thought to it, but I cannot resist: At one point (reflecting Roger Penrose) Demis says studying the human mind (among other things) convinced him there is no metaphysics or quantum required for understanding intelligence. I admit, as a physicist I had to swallow when hearing metaphysics and quantum put next to one another as explanatory tools. Why would we not agree with Richard Feynman ('the world is quantum, so we better start using it for compute')? Maybe quantum is not required to understand the human mind at that specific level - but then again, humans are not the limit of interesting intelligence. I felt a bit like little Robin in 'Bewilderment' by Richard Powers, telling his astrobiologist father in a dream: 'Dad.Dad! You have no idea.'
Surely the proof that the quantum plasma pea at the Big Bang had life and consciousness in potential … is that we are here writing and reading this.
To deny this would be to contradict Feynman and say that science does understand the quantum universe … it isn’t destined to “shut up and calculate”
Would have to deny cause and effect systems theory .. the fact that the Univerae is a unified field … there are no particles . That field is a field of nested holons all the way up and down . Our bodies are nested holons of cells and organs … ditto universe galaxies stars black holes.
Would deny that the definition of Universe is … all that is was and will be eternally … out with time and space.
Would be to deny that the transcendent territory of geometry and mathematics and the four forces didn’t shape the living conscious plasma energy into Einstein and Mickey Mouse … with just some cooling and clumping relating growing ( call it evolving ) and waiting around for 14 billion years for it all to unfold like and egg to a chicken … without one single human thought .. for 14 billion years.
That IS the story … why doesn’t science tell it that way.
Militant materialism … pure and simple
Atomism and the void … verses a living holonic quantum level entangled holographic field which … by definition IS all that is was and will be and is probably cycling through birth and death eternally … outwith time and space (Penrose)
Just like … US
Science - “ Why would the Universe be just like us”
Children leave school believing this guff. No wonder physics is at a particle seeking brick wall and Biology and computer science are now ripe to inform physics
They won’t listen. How can something made from the beliefs of militant materialism listen to all that “hippy guff”.
This is why the planet is dying … unenlightened capitalism wedded to atomistic science … conducted as if the Universe isn’t alive and conscious at every system level…. Big bang plasma to Mickey Mouse. It’s as obvious as the planets we knew were circling every star … before we had the “proof”
Two great minds having a great conversation
Lex often elicits the brilliance of his guests! He really is right up there with them!
I can't describe the feeling I had when listening to this one. I hope you get Demis back on. I hope I can work on systems that have such a massive impact on the world in the future. I absolutely loved this episode!
Congratulations on the Nobel Prize Sir Dennis!
Yes, I clicked this so fast! I requested this Podcast after Lex interviewed David Silver like two years ago. The time has finally come!
In your model, you put in a request and after two years it was implemented 😂
Watching this after ChatGPT was released...used the prompt that Demis came up with to create a new game that would resemble the basis of GO. The results are quite impressive haha
What was the exact prompt? I couldn't find it in the video.
This is such an incredible interview, a real merging of minds and opening of the door to what we truly want to learn. The fact this is just the beginning of all this blows my (deepest) mind.
This is one of the greatest interviews I've ever heard in my life
This is like seeing a movie, it might feel real but is not until you just remember is just a movie. Whatever you think is real, becomes real, at the end you have the decision. We are creators, but never ever think we can create at the same level at the creator , with land tools. The robot one day can cry, but is not real, is just a movie.
Whatever we create can have benefits or works against us. Like the phone , someone using it 24hrs nonstop, other using it to help then make the life easier.
Be safe.
My god Lex, this is the most fascinating interview I've seen in my life. This should be seen by every beginning college student, followed by a computer science, physics, math, philosophy or any other scientifically capable professor to answer students questions, and also encouragement of student questions and participation. Denis Hassenbis is fantastic, as well as yourself.
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Demis is super super smart… genius level (literally). Love everything he has done. Great interview.
lex thank you so much for your absolute treasure trove of a podcast. in my opinion it is one of the best channels on all of youtube. please never stop, thank you!!!
Lex,
I lost count of how many of these podcasts I have meticulously listened to / parts of them over and over.
This conversation w Demi’s is the Best so far.
To give it context, It tops the one with Leroy Cronin. That podcast was the top one for me until this one - even though I have many favorites.
Kudos.
Thank you for the hard work.
Like wealth and health and beauty, it all comes from hard work.
Doesn’t it?
I hope you read this.
And one more thing: your last “dark” question about Demi’s being the ONE that may be the one who is a key part of delivering on AGI - was the best. And he answered it like a great diplomat.
As usual, brilliant and inspiring. I was not familiar with Demis Hassabis himself (DeepMind, of course). He is clearly a polymath and genius. Thanks, Lex, for the introduction. By the way, I enjoyed your interventions a great deal too.