Absolutely LOVED when he said "not my job". Literal self admission that all he had was an idea meanwhile the other dude put the leg work in to make it a functional shoe.
Yeah at one point Dave even says gave him the idea and Deid was the designer. You could almost see him thinking that was dumb to say but to late. They won’t let me take that back. Like if I give some one a picture of a square and they make a painting, than I’m the artist. Lol
You have 2 gentlemen. Both claim that they created the shoe. 1 guy is a skater and 1 guy is a shoe designer. 1 guy has shoes all over his wall, 1 guy has skateboards all over his...🤔
Tanner88 Dave has probably told people over the years you don’t know me? I was a skater. Well... have you heard of the D3 Shoe by Osiris? Yes? I did that. lol riiight.
@@BeNZoJosh right... And maybe he just has been saying it so long that now he doesnt want to back off... Like one did has files and drawing of shoe designs, and one dudes justification for saying he designed it is "I mentioned I like laces like this one time and they did all the other stuff" which sounds not only questionable but ridiculous
meaturama Seems like you missed the point of how Osiris branding worked back then. But that’s on the industry trying to sell shoes by claiming that their sponsored skaters actually real hand in the design when they didn’t. It was a marketing gimmick, but it gets complicated when people start trying to lay claim to credit.
Ariel Zambenedetti yeah once again....maybe the year 2020 is the year of fact checking but 1 Dude has a le Wall-O-Shoe and 1 dude has 4 skateboards on his wall.....
I like how Dave Mayhew claims to be the main designer of the shoe.... meanwhile Brian Reid pulls out a memorex CD-ROM from 2001 with the blueprints of the shoe on it.
@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 i gave the shoe a major compliment. LOL.Then all I said is that the passion for the creation shines through one of the 2 people. LOL.
Lol “(Brian’s) job was to create the shoe in a way that we could get a sample back from the factory” that’s an awful long winded way to say he designed it
Clear evolution of design. The silhouettes are so similar. The “bells and whistles” were obvious Mayhews input- I can understand why the actual designer was pissed off. 10:34
Dave "I'm a skateboarder that wasn't my job, but I made the shoe" Mayhew Dude sounds like that the guy that has told a lie so many times he started to believe it.
I have a dude in my circle of friends, great dude honestly... but he has this weird thing where when he's in a big group of people, he will tell funny tales and stories, and you can get halfway into it and think "wait... that happened to me... and YOU WEREN'T EVEN THERE!!!" We love the dude and put it down as one of his "quirks" and don't even pull him up on it. Sometimes I wonder if in his head he thinks he was actually there, or if he's just trying to tell a cool story and forgets that the person who told him is present... we're all leaning towards the former though, as this has been going on 20 years lol.
@@zubrhero5270 The ol yarn spinners. I always wonder if those old guys you run into who have infinite interesting stories to tell were like that their entire life haha. This sheds light on that
I was around all those guys at the time owning a skate shop in Ca Dave really did come up with the concept he was always saying he wanted it to look like a Hiking shoe Brian basically put Dave's idea with his old shoe and that's basically it was TRUTH.
Skater guy is such a snake. At first I was skeptical but he legit has no proof of any of his side of the story. The designers story seems a lot more believable.
PortlandNW PDX maybe so but that doesn’t mean we aren’t capable of seeing that he is clearly the real designer. like, I think the most telling thing in the whole video is both of their accounts of the name. the designer actually gives a pretty large backstory and even mentions that there was an original D3 that was before the skater ever jumped on board with the company.
when he said Brian "just added a few bells and whistles" that really says it all. the bells and whistles are what make something great. that's like paying an artist for a mural and saying they just did the painting part.
What really happened: Reid: Hey Dave, check out the design for your signature model. Im mostly finished. It took me 4 months. What do you think? Dave: Sick brah, can the laces be black? Reid: Sure brother, I got chu. 20 years later... Dave: Yeah. I designed the D3. Reid: huh?
@@EduardoGiunta Better analogy here would actually be the relationship between a prospective home owner and an architect... The home owner could tell the architect how many bedrooms and corridors they want, but its the architects job to sit down and use their vast knowledge and experience in design to come up with something that works based on the home-owners specs... Can the home owner now claim they "designed" the house? The Civil Engineers in this analogy would be the Korean factories that have to manufacture the shoes.
“I’m more proud of my skateboarding, because I’m not a shoe designer. But I’m still going to take credit for designing a shoe because I took an endorsement deal to act like it 20 years ago and most people aren’t smart enough to read between the lines. $$$”
The problem here is the grey area on these collabs back in the day. These days people patent and sell the rights to others, back then that wasn’t common, so I doubt Dave had anything to do with the shoes besides put his name on them, yet they flopped. Think about ADIDAS YEEZES, Kanye designed the shoe but adidas makes them.
@@thejigisup Kanye does not design shoes, he gives rough ideas to the designing team that has names like Steven Smith or Christian Tresser. You can't just design shoe without proper knowledge of how manufacturing works.
Sounds like Dave Mayhew's idea of being a shoe designer is the same as him drawing a picture of a house on a napkin, giving it to an actual architect who then designs and builds the house, then calls himself the architect. "I'm a skateboarder, it's not my job to know how structural integrity works"
So when ferrari makes a new car, and somebody designs it, and gives that pencil drawn concept sketch to computer graphics designer...the guy who drew the pencil sketch gets no credit at all whatsoever? ...totally makes since...if you have head trauma. Both shouldve been credited, but did you see reid giys original sketch?? Looks nothing like any of the 3 released, so somebody else probably made it look better too that has been left out of the story altogether. Seems like both just have bad memories and big egos
@@truhhhhhhhokIII3 By Dave's own admission his concept was the wave lace loops... so Reid then designed the shoe around that concept soo the correct analogy is more along the lines of someone giving a ferrari graphic designer a new rim, mirror, spoiler, or steering wheel accent design idea then going around claiming to have designed the entire car. It may be true that Dave visualized some kind of wavey lace loop idea which he passed onto Reid or It's true that Brian Reid designed the Osiris Gorgon and Osiris Guru and the D3 was just the natural evolution of his own design idea's... since when looking at the Guru and D3 the design similarities are stricking, essentially the D3 is just the lower side half of the Guru extended upwards with giant lace loop holes added and a few other minor design tweaks here and there and you got yourself a D3 birthed out of the Guru design. After seeing the Gorgon and Guru shoes that Mayhew's names not credited too in anyway but Reid's is, it kinda goe's far in proving Reid's argument that Mayhew is misremembering how much input and involvement he truly had with "designing" the shoe. In my opinion the truth of the story is likely that Dave had skated and liked the Osiris Guru and he asked for his signature shoe to be similar and so Reid designed him the Osiris Guru 2.0. Dave might've even suggested his signature shoe be like the Guru shoe but with bigger lace loops. or gave small input on designs that Reid showed him. but in the end I think its simply most likely that he rode and liked the Guru shoe and so when it came time for his signature model to be made, Reid was tasked with designing Mayhew a signature shoe and Reid basically just expanded on the Osiris Guru design.
It’s more like MJ/Kobe/Lebron providing input on their signature sneakers. I understand Lebron gets to influence the design of his signature sneakers but I don’t think he’s out there calling himself the designer.
It is actually hilarious hearing Mayhew defend his agency as "the designer of the D3." Dude just sounds like a skateboarder, not a designer. No disrespect to skateboarders (obviously). But there's a certain level of surface level knowledge and passion that Reid displays when he discusses the D3, his life's work, shoe design as an art form, etc. The truth seems pretty obvious... Mayhew didn't "design" this shoe, or any other shoe.
Skaters definitly had input on there designs, take it from someone who was skating when these came out dude. Infact, the muska shoes from back then have a stash pouch in them.. trust me, the skaters have input on the designs. Thats why its pro model shoe. As for 100% designing it who knows. But they did have design input.
@@profo4544 but the involvement is different from case to case, and dude talk about the Muska is kind of cheating in this sense, he's on another level. How much Input skaters get when 90% of the shoes in the market are just variations of the Janoski (not that the Janoski was the first shoe that had that shape)
It's devastatingly clear who the designer is and who the endorsed athlete is. One dude has all the design files, the other held up a spray painted shoe. Dave is a complete muppet for considering himself the designer of this shoe. Anybody with any level of design and/or marketing experience knows exactly what happened here.
By Dave’s own admission he says he only came up with the lace loop “waves” on the side of the shoe... that’s not really designing a shoe it’s giving input.
I mean whats the diffirence between the D3 and the orsiris flagship shoe before that? Basically the wave design shoe laces lmao.. so yeah kinda designed the big part of it that made it stand out
lol most people would go, I should quit wearing giant pants. No, this guy goes, I need to design a whole line of giant sneakers to keep my giant pants off the floor.
that's hilarious. I always thought it was to cover the board better LFMAO. maybe it was just me but I felt like I could flip better with more surface area, I couldn't kickflip worth a damn in a pair of regular tennis shoes but give some of those feet pillows and I was ready to go lol
Just so he can show off to rocky who doesn’t even skate although I love ASAP. It’s dope how these big rap stars like to wear skate gear and push it but have some respect. Every skater knows it’s an unsaid disrespect to dress like a skater but not even know how to ride a board.
In the video Brian said he wore baggy pants, but wasn't a rapper or gangbanger? Adults dont care what other people wear man. Let people do what they want who carss...
@@IDADDYIproductions In the video Brian said he wore baggy pants, but wasn't a rapper or gangbanger? Adults dont care what other people wear man. Let people do what they want who carss...
My best friend fell and hit his head while we were skating when we were 14. He died after six days in a coma. This was 2001. He was wearing a pair of D3’s. I always think of him when I see these shoes. Miss you Jamie.
@@CruzCon umm yeah did you, he literally gave the guy the credit? If i owned a shoe co and designed shoes, and i decided to put someones name on the tounge followed after the words "designed by" and if i brought someone on stage and said heres the guys that "designed it" then i wouldnt cry 20 years later when that guy claims to design it 🤷♂️ 2 aide s to every story man
@@CruzCon its business, if you dont want someone to take credit dont give them the credit on a silver platter 😂🤣 seing that the oppisite happens every day and no one bats an eye
Reid is the artist & designer. He got screwed. It's like someone writing a song for you that blows up and you forgot to give them the writing credits. Low blow Dave
I don’t think you can say he got screwed when he co-owned Osiris at that time. Safe to say he made a lot of money off the D3, much more than Mayhew. Most shoe contracts from the early 2000’s-2015ish was $2 per shoe (which is huge of course) but usually capped out pretty quick if the shoe got out of hand (the Nike Janoski, Vans Half cab, and Adidas Busentiz for example)
This dude is obviously lying!! It's kinda fucked up that the dude who had been designing shoes for a living, has to put up with this bullshit artist claiming his work.
Don't agree with the insult part but yeah Dave didn't design it. Insults would be appropriate if some guy stole your work and passed it off as his own.
@@blackopsy9 When trying to argue on whose position is correct or not, pretty much 100% of the time, people who resort to insulting someone never have a good position to stand on or else they would just make their points and not insult people.
not to mention all the REAL work involved lol... that guy Reid was flying to Korea to work face to face with the factory to have it made the right way like if that doesn't count as actually designing the shoe idk what does..
Awesome shoes, but today i'm a firm user of Globe Sabre, i find them more durable and more suitable for the skate for the flat bottom that really gives you tons on grip on the board😇
Maybe they should find their timecards from the sweatshop in China to prove they assembled the first prototype? ...If you think anyone claims the skater literally did the graphic design then you should probably just be quiet.
Anyone that works in design has probably met a few Dave Mayhews, these dudes are always full of "ideas" and are always happy to take full credit for your work.
Just got my D3s in the mail today and I'm so happy... I'm 33 and I wanted them when I was 12-14 years old and I was finally able to pay for them at whatever price.
I remember turning 11 in 2001 and telling my family all I wanted for my birthday was those osiris D3s and at the time their price tag of $100 was like unheard of. So I had my whole family pitch in, didnt ask for any other presents from anyone and I got those chunky d3 badboys. Needless to say that monday morning I was stuntin' on everyone in the 5th grade lol
Bro almost the same here but for me I was turning 11 in 02’ and I asked for these shoes for the beginning of the school year, my sister got airwalk and I got the Osiris’ that I wanted. We were poor to but happy
Good shoes leave a big imprint on our memories. This also made me reminiscent of how great the mid-2000's Adio's were as well. I still miss them sometimes.
@@Naddan9 - I had a number of pairs and they were so comfortable and durable. I still have a pair of Snakeskin Bams in storage somewhere that are in pretty decent condition.
Dave straight up says he only came up with the lace loop “waves” on the side of the shoe. That right there tells you he didn't design the shoe, just had input on it. How is this confusing on who designed it? It is quite clear that Ried is the designer.
that would straight mean dave mostly designed it though... why would he make that up and if that wasnt true where does the shoe designer say that wasnt the case
@@1m2a3t4t5 wrong... it's like having a famous home designer design your home , you can give some input and some general ideas , but the the vast majority of design elements and all the real work is done by them....even Dave says he only came up with one feature of the shoe which doesn't even take up 20% of the surface area... that's like me telling a car designer hey how about we put some recessed headlights and a spoiler on the car...then claiming I totally designed it all🤦
@@thisshouldbeentertaining3386 no because he doesnt claim he “totally designed it” even. His idea are the reason the shoes are significant, an innovative idea that didnt already exist and takes up the majority of the side design of the shoe. If you gave a significant idea or a few that were innovative and new in a home or car and had experts figure out how to make it work you would still have played a part in designing it.
@@1m2a3t4t5 again even if he helped give a little bit of input which is highly suspect for he only has his word as proof while the actual designer has his word plus other people's and a slew of actual proof , including previous shoe designs that are very similar. ...you must think that if a restaurant owner told his head chef to add a dash of salt to a unique new dish the chef was working on. That now makes the restaurant owner the Creator of that dish .
@@thisshouldbeentertaining3386 dude reread my reply, your still trying to say things I clarified for you already, as if you didnt even read or think about what I said. designer and creator arent the same thing, he never claimed to have completely created or completely designed the shoe. His idea is the significance of the shoe. It would be more like if someone had the idea to add eggplant and something to an otherwise generic spaghetti dish, they would have designed it to their specifications
"I had the idea to put more of a wave on the side. I took that idea to Brian because he was the designer..." -Dave Mayhew, trying to explain how he designed the shoe, but accidentally explaining how he didn't design anything, he just had an idea to put some waves on the side. Brian designed the shoe, and the waves, because he was the designer.
Even if we begin with the assumption that Dave did design the shoe, how much would it have cost him to bring along or shout-out to a friend who was undeniably part of the process? If it’s about the money split...then it perhaps says just about as much
No, Rocky didn’t “hear the real story.” Just as marketing strategies worked back in the day (saying the skater designed it) having Dave endorse Rocky’s shoe would be much better for sales
@@huckleberrypint2899 No, I live under an asexual rock. Now explain how you make $ by claiming credit for a damn shoe you already agreed to endorse in the 90s.
@@JD_tcb that's the whole point of the video... Dave was doing a deal with asap to design a new shoe based off the d3 so him saying he designed the d3 gives him the opportunity to be a part of a whole new brand new
I had so many different pairs of D3's between 2000-2005. I still have several completely chewed up pairs, and there was a tree in town where I grew up that people would throw their skate shoes into when they were done skating them. There had to be 30+ pairs of shredded D3s up there from the years of guys loving them!
In the words of Ms. Lauryn Hill: "It's funny how money change a situation / Miscommunication leads to complication". If David didn't really design the shoe he should just admit it. He still had an input and was part of the approval process. Give your buddy a call and say, "Hey, I was approached by so and so and they wanted to make me the face of another shoe but I will give you credit ... yadda, yadda, yadda... Just common decency.
Hahahahhahaha its ironic you quoted Lauryn Hill because that chick is well known to not give credit to people that help make/produce her album. She lost a court battle over it
Patrick White what country are you from that’s so much better than the U.S.? I’m only interested because I love my country, we’re really messed up half the Time but so is everyone else , id never want to live anywhere except my country.
@@matthewsparks568 that's because it's all you know. I'm America. And we do have it better than a lot of people but I would 💯 be open to Canada, Denmark, Norway, etc... Healthcare, college, month vacations, higher pay, legalized weed nation wide. We could absolutely be better if we stopped giving so much taxes to corporations and war. It's arrogant to assume we can't be better or no where is better.
No he said it wasn't his job to put it on paper, and have it manufactured...seems like the concept was his though, just didn't have the artistic ability to put it on paper
Justin Berg it’s like if I asked the graphic designer for my board company to make me a graphic with some mean looking dogs and then years later I claimed that I solely designed it.
@@Julianv53 not exactly. more like if you created power rangers (generic figure such as the created osiris model) and someone had a really significant concept or two for a particular ranger, that person should still be credited as a designer. (still not the most accurate analogy)
It bums me out that a lot of older pros traded their signature baggy look for a more conformed uniformic grown up dress style. Except Tom Penny who kept It real from day one.
This is like the time I was designing a negative pressure containment box for work, then my boss told me I should see about using a roll up door, then when my prototype got attention from the company, my boss tried to shove me aside and put his buddies in charge of the project and even claimed he designed it (because of his suggestion of a roll up door)... So I refused to continue developing the idea (it was a voluntary project), he asked me for the designs and I told him I had none, it was all in my head, I told him they could the prototype I built to test some of the mechanics, he gave that to his buddies, almost 2 years later they had no clue how to finish it, best part is that the company had seen my prototype and wanted a finished model to show it at other sites to roll it out company wide, my boss and his buddies were never able to deliver, and I got the satisfaction of knowing they couldn't do it without me.
@@berlyngrey9242 this happened about a year before the pandemic, sad part about it was that when the pandemic hit and we needed to turn regular patient rooms into negative pressure rooms, my boss actually mentioned my box and admited it was a shame I never finished it as we could have just mass produced it and saved ourselves tons of labor puting up and taking down temp containment boxes that had to be literally put together with tape and needed constant maintenance.
Yup 01-'02', I had the red/black. Every skater in my middle school owned a pair atleast once lol. We called them moon boots😁 they were the most expensive shoe at all my local shops back then. I think they were 90 or 100$.. Back in the day d3's looked sick. Then I didnt like them for many years personally.. lol but kinda wish I still had a pair right now. The all grey ones look kinda dope.
For real. I loved Emerica's first Templeton shoe, it was my fav. The D3 looked like trash compared to that shoe. I was not into the hip hop puffy shoe side of skating at the time. I thought people who did were usually terrible people. Koston's "1" and the first Rowley's by vans were also rad and worn by me when I could not get my hands on the Templeton's.
Yeah.....Dave is so inconsistent with his story, “Yeah it’s not my job, I’m a skater”!! Just because he put in and pitched ideas does not mean he created or designed the shoe. He literally just said himself, that’s the job for the designer....For every popular item, there’s always been multiple ideas from different people to create the final project, but not everyone is considered a “creator”, there is one person who put in the most work and effort to create a piece of art and therefore they are called the “creator”!! Also it seems if you ask the company & most of the people who worked there at the time, they say that Brian designed it, so I just think it’s best to go off of that!!
I had so much pairs of those D3 when I was into skateboarding. Won some doing contests, some were given to me by stores. Spent years wearing those shoes and never had to pay for them
Doesn’t matter you can literally see that Reid designed the shoe look at the shoe before he literally shows a shoe that literally looks the same you can tell Reid designed the shoe
idiotburns you clearly didn’t read my comment it clearly says you can clearly see I stated that Reid designed the shoe what are you talking about you should as stupid and your username
Can make this blow up because as a designer myself I take this to heart. It’s like that Simpsons episode where they find out itchy and scratchy was stolen
I must have been like 8-9 years old back in 2001. I begged my mom to buy me the D3s for Christmas I got the black and yellow ones. Man.. they were expensive too. $60 back then.. which was crazy.. cause in 2001 $60 for skate shoes was crazy.. but they were it. Osiris was dope.
Dave just wanted to feel relevant and cool again and hanging out with Rocky was that. It is so obvious he is not the artist responsible for the existence of the shoe and is exposing himself as being extremely cringe and selfish. Reid designed the D3 and thats on that (didnt know about this shoe until this video).
*It is actually Reid who wants to look cool and relevant again with all this butthurt lol* What really happened: Reid: Hey Dave, We are gonna use your Image as the designer so we can Sell more, because you are more popular as and athlete than me as a designer so this will help us selling! Dave: Sick brah, is this on the contract also? I mean, me as the shoe designer? Reid: Sure brother, you will be! We will endorse like that, so for it to dont look fake we got you on the contract too! 20 years later... Dave: Yeah. I designed the D3. Reid: huh? Dave: Yeah bro that's right, it is ON THE CONTRACT (and that is what matters actually). If this shoe was a FLOP this guy Reid would'nt want to have his name associated with it. But since it is trending again, he wants the spotlight on him, it is simple. For me personally it is pretty fair, they lied, they used his image putting him as a designer to sell more back then, and now he got the title as designer under contract, so its safe for him :D
@Serena Rios 💯 exactly! He acted like he fucked his old girlfriend or something! Reid probably married her! I'm sure its something more personal...but no doubt reid designed these!
@@EduardoGiunta nah, that's not how it works. If you designed something that millions wore, celebrities wore and then 20 years later it trends again you get credit. You don't get called a whiny baby because you want that and the shoe wasn't a flop so why even bring that up. That person should get credit for the work when it spurs creativity in the next generation. Ensuring that isn't messed up. Get real.
Lol it's no secret that most pro athletes/musicians/ whatever, have far less involvement in designing their signature thing, than they want us to believe. We're not stupid.
Osiris owes a large majority of its success to CCS. They pumped Osiris, DC and Etnies like no other. Also, I remember when the shoe came out and it was widely known that Brian designed Osiris shoes. He changed the skate shoe game.
Never Summers and Alien Workshop was all over the CCS catalog as well. Man, I used to be so pumped when the new CCS showed up in the mail. A quick google search shows CCS is still around which warms my heart.
what's messed up is Reid designed the shoes aka built the bell, whistles, bell tower, bell hammer, etc.. Mayhew says 'add a whistle' and claims to be the designer.
I remember when I got the d3 2001, I had to basically make a deal with my parents on doing house work to extend the shoe budget. Two years prior I was rocking payless shoes...then I got into skating and the muska's were like $90, those were a birthday gift, and they drew the line at the D3's because $150 was just waaaaay too much money for shoes i was gonna shred apart in 3 months time from skating. To this day, those puffy bastards were my pride and joy hahaha
Yep same! My family insisted making fun of them and called them my “snoopy shoes”. I was so proud of them though, and I obliterated them in the same time frame. Attempted fixes with “shoe goo” numerous times but they were done for.
I remember skating back in the early 2000s my favorite shoe was the etnies vallely 2 but I remember the osiris d3 being so popular everyone and their brother had a pair either that or the chad muska weed pocket shoe lmfao I miss that time so much. Skate and play playstation 2 all day long
@@mademansandro I also had all 3 of those shoes. I had the original d3 and the red and white ones. I think my circa (Muska shoe) was black and red, and my chet 4s were the black, gray, red and white ones.
Dave: i designed it, it was fun, at the time, i made it, it was mines... Ried: here is the blueprints, d3's were based on my old theses here, as you can see the orgianls are this and this, oh and i have data of everything i designed. Teacher: put your name on the paper or else you wont get credit for it. Ried aslo: 👁🗨👄👁🗨
I had the Buffalo (German company, shoes made in Spain/Portugal) version, a rip off of the D3 2001, and later ès, growing up in the 90’s and 2000’s, went from platform (Buffalo), to skate shoes. Didn’t matter if you where into skating or not. Everyone had them. People had ès, DC, Etnies, Osiris, Buffalo, Puma, Adidas, Nike, Vans, and Converse. Just like today minus the skate shoes. I grew up and live in Norway, Scandinavia, northern Europe.
Nothing worse than getting ripped off creatively. Unfortunately, this happens in every design industry. From art, to fashion to graphic design to whatever else. Know heaps of people who’ve been ripped off. Myself included. It’s annoying and it’s unfair.
Anyone who went to school for design and worked in the industry knows that Dave Mayhew designed that shoe... just like the Kardashians design their perfume and their makeup or whatever else that gets made by people who know what they are actually doing, and then they pick version 1 2 or 3 and slap their name on it. I mean really people, we probably wouldn't even have a D3 if Dave didn't pick "Design 3"
@@krusher181 lol and? His names on it.. the claimed designer and CEO of the company wrote "designed by Deve Mayhew" on the shoe.. then gave him a trophy that said the same thing and announced it for an entire audience... dont come crying after you gave the credit away to make some extra money... sucks to suck 🤷♂️
It's clear that Dave Mayhew didn't design the shoe BUT at the same time Osiris was using the pros (like companies do now) to sell the shoes and clothes and boards. So because the shoe took off it was like wait a minute now the designer comes out to claim their recognition but there is an ethical dilemma there. Had the shoe come out and not gained that iconic status it would be a remnant of (as odd as it feels to say today at 31) retro skateboarding culture. Personally I really loved Circa's shoes and think they had some of the dopest designs including some of the Chad Muska stuff. Circa, eS, Emerica, Vans, and all those major players had cool unique styles that changed the shoe game. I remember kids that didn't skate being called posers for wearing skate clothes and it bothered me as a kid because I am a skater and in my youth it was my identity and gave me something to feel a part of when I didn't have a group that I clicked with like the jocks, the nerds, the band, etc. In retrospect it's a bit silly but I miss the 90s and early 2000s for skateboarding. Some of my fondest memories of life were during those games. Also so hyped to see Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 & 2 coming back in proper form this year!
No. The issue here is somebody claiming the shoe as their own singular creation when that was not the case. You can clearly listen to the designer say that since Mayhew is saying the shoe was his sole (hehe) creation, current and potential future business opportunities are at risk due to integrity and ethics. If Mayhew said he was part of a team in the shoe's design then there would no issue here. Mayhew is lying and therein lies the problem.
I had so many pairs of these in high school. Loved these. Back when shortys fulfill the dream and zero misled youth were the top skate videos on vhs lol than Osiris the storm video , daemons song vs Rodney mullen... prime skate times from my childhood 🙏
The Osiris D3, ÉS Chad Muska’s, & Globe Chet Thomas’s we’re straight fire 🔥 The ÉS Muska’s were my favorite skate shoe. Thanks for bringing me back down memory lane 👊🏻
comes down to a fundamental argument between engineers and artists in many, many industrials - The engineer considers themself the designer, and the artist is a "stylist". The artist considers themself the designer, and the engineer is the "production engineer". It's semantics. Who designs a car- the person who does the clay model, or the person who does the engineering design.
Marc Johnson was on the Nine Club and talked about the meeting where pros picked their shoes and Mayhew showed up to the meeting late so that’s why his name was stuck to it. The shoe was done before Mayhew got it, so they gave it the name after it was designed. It just adds a little bit more complexity to the corporate body and what actually happened with Mayhew’s involvement.
The shoe that started it all🤤
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when you say "it all" what do you mean?
Started the over priced shoes I think :/
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Dave Mayhew sounds like he couldn’t design a grocery list.
no kidding. dude sounds like a marble mouth
Absolutely LOVED when he said "not my job". Literal self admission that all he had was an idea meanwhile the other dude put the leg work in to make it a functional shoe.
😂
Yeah at one point Dave even says gave him the idea and Deid was the designer. You could almost see him thinking that was dumb to say but to late. They won’t let me take that back. Like if I give some one a picture of a square and they make a painting, than I’m the artist. Lol
Mayhew has those .. 'i'm doing opioid painkillers every day' .. eye's.
You have 2 gentlemen. Both claim that they created the shoe. 1 guy is a skater and 1 guy is a shoe designer. 1 guy has shoes all over his wall, 1 guy has skateboards all over his...🤔
Tanner88 Dave has probably told people over the years you don’t know me? I was a skater. Well... have you heard of the D3 Shoe by Osiris? Yes? I did that. lol riiight.
@@BeNZoJosh right... And maybe he just has been saying it so long that now he doesnt want to back off... Like one did has files and drawing of shoe designs, and one dudes justification for saying he designed it is "I mentioned I like laces like this one time and they did all the other stuff" which sounds not only questionable but ridiculous
I got it, it's the 3rd gentleman. He's the real shoe designer.
meaturama Seems like you missed the point of how Osiris branding worked back then. But that’s on the industry trying to sell shoes by claiming that their sponsored skaters actually real hand in the design when they didn’t. It was a marketing gimmick, but it gets complicated when people start trying to lay claim to credit.
Ariel Zambenedetti yeah once again....maybe the year 2020 is the year of fact checking but 1 Dude has a le Wall-O-Shoe and 1 dude has 4 skateboards on his wall.....
I like how Dave Mayhew claims to be the main designer of the shoe.... meanwhile Brian Reid pulls out a memorex CD-ROM from 2001 with the blueprints of the shoe on it.
This! 100%
I mean, I'm not saying he wasn't the true designer, but it would make sense that he'd have the CD considering he was corporate and Dave wasn't.
Exactly. Mayhew presented absolutely nothing to back his claims other than just words out his lying mouth. Dude knows he's lying but playing his role.
Yea, if Dave could articulate his design then maybe he’d have an ounce of credibility.
I had the same thoughts total BS dave is just trying to steal the fame that comes with the D3 because it was such a great success
Best shoe ever.
You can tell who designed the shoe just by how they talk about it.
Have you ever designed something that was put into mass production? Let's see your experience.
@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 i gave the shoe a major compliment. LOL.Then all I said is that the passion for the creation shines through one of the 2 people. LOL.
"As a skateboarder that wasn't my job"
okay so you didn't make the shoe then
Lol “(Brian’s) job was to create the shoe in a way that we could get a sample back from the factory” that’s an awful long winded way to say he designed it
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The whole thing sounds like a collaboration, but both parties are over grown irrelevant man babies.
@@zesticide1010 imagine calling someone with a vice video irrelevant when you're just some dipshit on RUclips lol
@@jamiemadden2924 that's exactly what a man baby would say. Also, Vice isn't that great of a place the last time I checked.
Sounds like Dave Mayhew must have landed most of his tricks on his head.
Yeah lol, would love to see him pull up a CAD program and 'redesign' that shoe right now for us all ... what an a******
Perfect lol
or ass
YEah allot of them :) @og_r3id
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Dave Mayhew says he came up with the iconic side profile of the shoe, but you can literally see the evolution of that design with past Osiris shoes.
where
@@boomerfunnyjimgaffigan4998 on the older shoes he created you blind and deaf?
That was also my first thought you can see parts of the d3 including the lace loops in older models
Clear evolution of design. The silhouettes are so similar. The “bells and whistles” were obvious Mayhews input- I can understand why the actual designer was pissed off. 10:34
@@boomerfunnyjimgaffigan4998 dumbo
Glad Vice put this out, Brian obviously thinks of this as an important part of his career legacy, now a lot more of us can remember him for it ~
Dave "I'm a skateboarder that wasn't my job, but I made the shoe" Mayhew
Dude sounds like that the guy that has told a lie so many times he started to believe it.
Stop talking about Trump… ;)
Yeah it’s called the “Trump Effect”! Look it up!
I have a dude in my circle of friends, great dude honestly... but he has this weird thing where when he's in a big group of people, he will tell funny tales and stories, and you can get halfway into it and think "wait... that happened to me... and YOU WEREN'T EVEN THERE!!!"
We love the dude and put it down as one of his "quirks" and don't even pull him up on it. Sometimes I wonder if in his head he thinks he was actually there, or if he's just trying to tell a cool story and forgets that the person who told him is present... we're all leaning towards the former though, as this has been going on 20 years lol.
@@zubrhero5270 The ol yarn spinners. I always wonder if those old guys you run into who have infinite interesting stories to tell were like that their entire life haha. This sheds light on that
look up astral projection ++
Didn't see a single drawing, concept or CAD from Dave. Weird...
Make it blu “designer”
Funny
I was around all those guys at the time owning a skate shop in Ca Dave really did come up with the concept he was always saying he wanted it to look like a Hiking shoe Brian basically put Dave's idea with his old shoe and that's basically it was TRUTH.
But he had the bronze shoe dispute solved
@@joeywitt7129 having a concept for a shoe and actually designing it are completely different things though.
Skater guy is such a snake. At first I was skeptical but he legit has no proof of any of his side of the story. The designers story seems a lot more believable.
The lie he sold that skaters designed it back in the day is now biting him in the ass
PortlandNW PDX maybe so but that doesn’t mean we aren’t capable of seeing that he is clearly the real designer. like, I think the most telling thing in the whole video is both of their accounts of the name. the designer actually gives a pretty large backstory and even mentions that there was an original D3 that was before the skater ever jumped on board with the company.
@@crvskate Comes round full circle
Andres Villogas yea he designed them but chose to give that position away for money. It’s now hurting him.
Yeah designer dude fucked up by not having his name on the product as well as the skater dudes name.
when he said Brian "just added a few bells and whistles" that really says it all. the bells and whistles are what make something great. that's like paying an artist for a mural and saying they just did the painting part.
Nice !
What really happened:
Reid: Hey Dave, check out the design for your signature model. Im mostly finished. It took me 4 months. What do you think?
Dave: Sick brah, can the laces be black?
Reid: Sure brother, I got chu.
20 years later...
Dave: Yeah. I designed the D3.
Reid: huh?
Dead ass haha
you made this????
i made this.
On the lord
And how about some squiggly waves on the side? siiick
Lmao
“I’m a skateboarder so that wasn’t my job” oh so the designer did that😂😂
Alex how much input would the designer have to have to qualify as a designer
@Alex Exaclty. Just like an architect and a civil engineer. One designs, the other "builds". Two totally different things, both very important.
@@EduardoGiunta Better analogy here would actually be the relationship between a prospective home owner and an architect... The home owner could tell the architect how many bedrooms and corridors they want, but its the architects job to sit down and use their vast knowledge and experience in design to come up with something that works based on the home-owners specs... Can the home owner now claim they "designed" the house? The Civil Engineers in this analogy would be the Korean factories that have to manufacture the shoes.
Lol I kno right
Exactly!
No way in HELL Mayhew designed that shoe. He has the all the personality of a doorstop.
Hey, the spring doorstops are kind of entertaining. Booooiiing.
@@Rudyelf1 Fair. He doesn't have that bounce though
Hahaha
Awful argument but I agree he didn’t design it
@@_pulyx sounds like he did have that bounce. Mostly on his head it seems
“I’m more proud of my skateboarding, because I’m not a shoe designer. But I’m still going to take credit for designing a shoe because I took an endorsement deal to act like it 20 years ago and most people aren’t smart enough to read between the lines. $$$”
The problem here is the grey area on these collabs back in the day.
These days people patent and sell the rights to others, back then that wasn’t common, so I doubt Dave had anything to do with the shoes besides put his name on them, yet they flopped.
Think about ADIDAS YEEZES, Kanye designed the shoe but adidas makes them.
@@thejigisup Kanye does not design shoes, he gives rough ideas to the designing team that has names like Steven Smith or Christian Tresser. You can't just design shoe without proper knowledge of how manufacturing works.
dave mayhew and the real story of the d3 on the nine club podcast .... ruclips.net/video/WwN2G6Oow5U/видео.html
@@Bananektdu you sure about that? Those shoes look exactly like Kanye designs them and that he doesn't know (or care) manufacturing processes. LOL
Sounds like Dave Mayhew's idea of being a shoe designer is the same as him drawing a picture of a house on a napkin, giving it to an actual architect who then designs and builds the house, then calls himself the architect. "I'm a skateboarder, it's not my job to know how structural integrity works"
So when ferrari makes a new car, and somebody designs it, and gives that pencil drawn concept sketch to computer graphics designer...the guy who drew the pencil sketch gets no credit at all whatsoever? ...totally makes since...if you have head trauma. Both shouldve been credited, but did you see reid giys original sketch?? Looks nothing like any of the 3 released, so somebody else probably made it look better too that has been left out of the story altogether. Seems like both just have bad memories and big egos
@@truhhhhhhhokIII3 By Dave's own admission his concept was the wave lace loops... so Reid then designed the shoe around that concept soo the correct analogy is more along the lines of someone giving a ferrari graphic designer a new rim, mirror, spoiler, or steering wheel accent design idea then going around claiming to have designed the entire car.
It may be true that Dave visualized some kind of wavey lace loop idea which he passed onto Reid or It's true that Brian Reid designed the Osiris Gorgon and Osiris Guru and the D3 was just the natural evolution of his own design idea's... since when looking at the Guru and D3 the design similarities are stricking, essentially the D3 is just the lower side half of the Guru extended upwards with giant lace loop holes added and a few other minor design tweaks here and there and you got yourself a D3 birthed out of the Guru design.
After seeing the Gorgon and Guru shoes that Mayhew's names not credited too in anyway but Reid's is, it kinda goe's far in proving Reid's argument that Mayhew is misremembering how much input and involvement he truly had with "designing" the shoe.
In my opinion the truth of the story is likely that Dave had skated and liked the Osiris Guru and he asked for his signature shoe to be similar and so Reid designed him the Osiris Guru 2.0.
Dave might've even suggested his signature shoe be like the Guru shoe but with bigger lace loops. or gave small input on designs that Reid showed him. but in the end I think its simply most likely that he rode and liked the Guru shoe and so when it came time for his signature model to be made, Reid was tasked with designing Mayhew a signature shoe and Reid basically just expanded on the Osiris Guru design.
It’s more like MJ/Kobe/Lebron providing input on their signature sneakers. I understand Lebron gets to influence the design of his signature sneakers but I don’t think he’s out there calling himself the designer.
What about Kanye? He drew his Nike Yeezy on a napkin and Nike made it. He considered himself a designer
well said
It is actually hilarious hearing Mayhew defend his agency as "the designer of the D3." Dude just sounds like a skateboarder, not a designer. No disrespect to skateboarders (obviously). But there's a certain level of surface level knowledge and passion that Reid displays when he discusses the D3, his life's work, shoe design as an art form, etc. The truth seems pretty obvious... Mayhew didn't "design" this shoe, or any other shoe.
A great person once told me “the truth will set you free.” @og_r3id
10:48 He pretty much says the same thing, out of his own mouth.
Skaters definitly had input on there designs, take it from someone who was skating when these came out dude. Infact, the muska shoes from back then have a stash pouch in them.. trust me, the skaters have input on the designs. Thats why its pro model shoe. As for 100% designing it who knows. But they did have design input.
@@profo4544 but the involvement is different from case to case, and dude talk about the Muska is kind of cheating in this sense, he's on another level. How much Input skaters get when 90% of the shoes in the market are just variations of the Janoski (not that the Janoski was the first shoe that had that shape)
It's devastatingly clear who the designer is and who the endorsed athlete is. One dude has all the design files, the other held up a spray painted shoe. Dave is a complete muppet for considering himself the designer of this shoe. Anybody with any level of design and/or marketing experience knows exactly what happened here.
brian reid: pulls out files to prove that he desined the d3
Dave mayhew: BEllS aNd WhistlES
He pulled out the bronze d3🤣🤣
@@ul3779 they usually give one of one to the skater promoting it.
@@thejigisup yes indeed, Emerica is good example
He helped design the shoe, its his pro model and he should be compensated. A lot of people made money off the shoe and Dave got screwed over
dave mayhew and the real story of the d3 on the nine club podcast .... ruclips.net/video/WwN2G6Oow5U/видео.html
It’s 2023 and I just bought a new pair of D3s… my childhood has come full circle
2024… saw them. Bought on the spot.
As soon as i wore it i realised that quality is even better than original
By Dave’s own admission he says he only came up with the lace loop “waves” on the side of the shoe... that’s not really designing a shoe it’s giving input.
It is the biggest part of it tho otherwise it would look like the rest of rhem
He shouldnt have lied to 16 year olds like he said. And he’s acting like lying to kids to sell shoes isn’t a scumbag move
@@lategod Its not actually lying like hes making it out to be. He gave his input and idea for the shoe, he designed it. dudes butthurt
I mean whats the diffirence between the D3 and the orsiris flagship shoe before that? Basically the wave design shoe laces lmao.. so yeah kinda designed the big part of it that made it stand out
@@samuelyeet6006 Finally somehow who makes sense. Thank you 🙌🏽. Regardless of the actual situation this is viewpoint is perfectly logical.
Skate shoes being big because ravers didn't want their baggy pants getting wet from piss is something I didn't expect to learn today.
and it's so true! used to have to do that all the time.
lol most people would go, I should quit wearing giant pants. No, this guy goes, I need to design a whole line of giant sneakers to keep my giant pants off the floor.
Solid take away.
Delta-9 can’t say I’d suggest wearing slimmer pants to a hiphop club in the late 90s
that's hilarious. I always thought it was to cover the board better LFMAO. maybe it was just me but I felt like I could flip better with more surface area, I couldn't kickflip worth a damn in a pair of regular tennis shoes but give some of those feet pillows and I was ready to go lol
when he said "money changes friendships" he sure was right. sold his friend out just to lie about a shoe he didn't design for money.
Just so he can show off to rocky who doesn’t even skate although I love ASAP. It’s dope how these big rap stars like to wear skate gear and push it but have some respect. Every skater knows it’s an unsaid disrespect to dress like a skater but not even know how to ride a board.
Its not personal, its buisness.
In the video Brian said he wore baggy pants, but wasn't a rapper or gangbanger? Adults dont care what other people wear man. Let people do what they want who carss...
@@IDADDYIproductions In the video Brian said he wore baggy pants, but wasn't a rapper or gangbanger? Adults dont care what other people wear man. Let people do what they want who carss...
@@IDADDYIproductions they're posers
My best friend fell and hit his head while we were skating when we were 14. He died after six days in a coma. This was 2001. He was wearing a pair of D3’s. I always think of him when I see these shoes. Miss you Jamie.
All of us who skated in the 90's knew that the pros just wore them shits. The majority of them couldn't even think up a board graphic!
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Except Muska he changed the game
@@derrick7648 exactly he was a Russell Simmons of skateboarding with so many companies and side ventures.
Because once you became a pro in the 90's it's party time!, cocaine crack booze, oh but they all claim, "We didn't know what we were doing?!?!"
Facts
Takes credit for designing a shoe he didn't, then complains it overshadowed his skateboarding career... OK Dave. Lesson learned?
To be fair he was given the credit, by the other guy, written on the shoe.... and on stage.... lol
@@samuelyeet6006 did you even watch the video you're missing the whole point bro
@@CruzCon umm yeah did you, he literally gave the guy the credit? If i owned a shoe co and designed shoes, and i decided to put someones name on the tounge followed after the words "designed by" and if i brought someone on stage and said heres the guys that "designed it" then i wouldnt cry 20 years later when that guy claims to design it 🤷♂️ 2 aide s to every story man
@@CruzCon its business, if you dont want someone to take credit dont give them the credit on a silver platter 😂🤣 seing that the oppisite happens every day and no one bats an eye
@@samuelyeet6006 selective comprehension is a disease i hope you get well soon bro
Reid is the artist & designer. He got screwed. It's like someone writing a song for you that blows up and you forgot to give them the writing credits. Low blow Dave
Not only forgot but completely pretend you wrote the song
funny thing is, this happens literally all the time lol
I don’t think you can say he got screwed when he co-owned Osiris at that time. Safe to say he made a lot of money off the D3, much more than Mayhew. Most shoe contracts from the early 2000’s-2015ish was $2 per shoe (which is huge of course) but usually capped out pretty quick if the shoe got out of hand (the Nike Janoski, Vans Half cab, and Adidas Busentiz for example)
How is keeping all the royalties and design credits for yourself being screwed ? It's actually the other way around when you know the true story.
Pitch perfect analogy.
Dave "I told him i wanted wavy sides so i designed the shoe" Mayhew
That bald guy talks like he don’t even believe himself
yeah man if your going to tell a story, better to believe in it before you tell it @og_r3id (IG TAG)
brian reid m.ruclips.net/video/4VmBQfyxHXA/видео.html
hes cap fr
This dude is obviously lying!! It's kinda fucked up that the dude who had been designing shoes for a living, has to put up with this bullshit artist claiming his work.
@Ion says you youngster
When someone starts by insulting someone else they have already lost the argument.
Dave 1000000% didn't design that sneaker.
agreed! @og_r3id (IG handle)
Don't agree with the insult part but yeah Dave didn't design it. Insults would be appropriate if some guy stole your work and passed it off as his own.
@@blackopsy9 When trying to argue on whose position is correct or not, pretty much 100% of the time, people who resort to insulting someone never have a good position to stand on or else they would just make their points and not insult people.
@@questionmark1152 So victims of crime or injustice are always instantly invalidated by raging against their perpetrators? Flawless logic.
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“I designed the whole thing. Yeah that little wavy bit, that was me” Uhhhhh... that’s like 1/10 of the shoe?
Even that was just a tweak of the Gorgon model Brian had previously designed !
not to mention all the REAL work involved lol... that guy Reid was flying to Korea to work face to face with the factory to have it made the right way like if that doesn't count as actually designing the shoe idk what does..
ikr
Dave Mayhews Nine club interview sent me here
So the key takeaway here is that D3 really belongs to Fred Durst.
We actually made him an all red pair 🏓 - @og_r3id
yes.
Awesome shoes, but today i'm a firm user of Globe Sabre, i find them more durable and more suitable for the skate for the flat bottom that really gives you tons on grip on the board😇
It looks that way
@نقطة نقطة
2 subs bro . 💩
I guess Dave lost his CAD files that would prove he designed the shoe. That sucks.
His girlfriend who goes to a different school has them.
@@JC-wg5xn 😂
Maybe they should find their timecards from the sweatshop in China to prove they assembled the first prototype? ...If you think anyone claims the skater literally did the graphic design then you should probably just be quiet.
🤣🤣🤣
but dave was awarded the bronze shoe and brien even said thanks for the design? Why would he say that?
Anyone that works in design has probably met a few Dave Mayhews, these dudes are always full of "ideas" and are always happy to take full credit for your work.
yup man , they are so annoying
And they won't even blink doing it
Aaaaalways! Lol Knew them in school and now I still know them at work lol.
Fuckin ay
So if someone has a concept idea they shouldnt get credit for it? Nice makes sense
Just got my D3s in the mail today and I'm so happy... I'm 33 and I wanted them when I was 12-14 years old and I was finally able to pay for them at whatever price.
Hes lying. I designed the Osiris D3
I believe you
Bullshyt all treee of yalll lien I did put sum respek on my name
@@TexMex561 I always knew it was you
I DESIGNED THE D3 these are
liars!
@@killjoy2467 Cmon man you just did a few tweaks bro
I remember turning 11 in 2001 and telling my family all I wanted for my birthday was those osiris D3s and at the time their price tag of $100 was like unheard of. So I had my whole family pitch in, didnt ask for any other presents from anyone and I got those chunky d3 badboys.
Needless to say that monday morning I was stuntin' on everyone in the 5th grade lol
That’s a dayum good feeling @og_r3id
I was 9 in 2001 and wanted the same thing. Didn't bother asking for them, wound up finding them on the clearance rack two years later.
I did the same thing round that time lol but back in 2014 they were back on the shelves and went right into the store and got another pair lol
Bro almost the same here but for me I was turning 11 in 02’ and I asked for these shoes for the beginning of the school year, my sister got airwalk and I got the Osiris’ that I wanted. We were poor to but happy
At @7:36 they show for $149.95 fuckin crazy!
The nostalgia is real right now
Couldn't have said it better
Good shoes leave a big imprint on our memories. This also made me reminiscent of how great the mid-2000's Adio's were as well. I still miss them sometimes.
SERIOUSLY THO...WOW.
@@ELPRES1DENTE45 Yeah man, Adio were great, I had some Kenny V2s I think they were and loved them.
@@Naddan9 - I had a number of pairs and they were so comfortable and durable. I still have a pair of Snakeskin Bams in storage somewhere that are in pretty decent condition.
Mayhews backdrop: 3 boards on the wall and sadness.
Reids backdrop: The wall of shoes he’s designed.
Why does his house look so empty? Is he moving out?
Dave straight up says he only came up with the lace loop “waves” on the side of the shoe. That right there tells you he didn't design the shoe, just had input on it. How is this confusing on who designed it? It is quite clear that Ried is the designer.
that would straight mean dave mostly designed it though... why would he make that up and if that wasnt true where does the shoe designer say that wasnt the case
@@1m2a3t4t5 wrong... it's like having a famous home designer design your home , you can give some input and some general ideas , but the the vast majority of design elements and all the real work is done by them....even Dave says he only came up with one feature of the shoe which doesn't even take up 20% of the surface area... that's like me telling a car designer hey how about we put some recessed headlights and a spoiler on the car...then claiming I totally designed it all🤦
@@thisshouldbeentertaining3386 no because he doesnt claim he “totally designed it” even. His idea are the reason the shoes are significant, an innovative idea that didnt already exist and takes up the majority of the side design of the shoe. If you gave a significant idea or a few that were innovative and new in a home or car and had experts figure out how to make it work you would still have played a part in designing it.
@@1m2a3t4t5 again even if he helped give a little bit of input which is highly suspect for he only has his word as proof while the actual designer has his word plus other people's and a slew of actual proof , including previous shoe designs that are very similar. ...you must think that if a restaurant owner told his head chef to add a dash of salt to a unique new dish the chef was working on. That now makes the restaurant owner the Creator of that dish .
@@thisshouldbeentertaining3386 dude reread my reply, your still trying to say things I clarified for you already, as if you didnt even read or think about what I said. designer and creator arent the same thing, he never claimed to have completely created or completely designed the shoe. His idea is the significance of the shoe. It would be more like if someone had the idea to add eggplant and something to an otherwise generic spaghetti dish, they would have designed it to their specifications
I had those in size 13’s was like having two cars on my feet
😂😂😂😂
Man I wore tens and they felt like that!! They were the chunkiest shoe 😂
Could land everything in these
An inch wider and u needed to registered them at the DMV lol.... I still loved them
I wear 13 now I want those SUV's ha.
"I had the idea to put more of a wave on the side. I took that idea to Brian because he was the designer..." -Dave Mayhew, trying to explain how he designed the shoe, but accidentally explaining how he didn't design anything, he just had an idea to put some waves on the side. Brian designed the shoe, and the waves, because he was the designer.
Even if we begin with the assumption that Dave did design the shoe, how much would it have cost him to bring along or shout-out to a friend who was undeniably part of the process? If it’s about the money split...then it perhaps says just about as much
"My pants are so baggy they touch the ground, what do I do?" 🤔
"Oh yeah, ill just make my shoes bigger"
Could have just stopped dressing like tween, problem solved
@@randomoldguy3967 you know that was a joke right?
@@randomoldguy3967 man you gotta be young lol cause that's the style in the 90s 😂😂
That’s how great ideas start
Yessssssss lolol
No, Rocky didn’t “hear the real story.” Just as marketing strategies worked back in the day (saying the skater designed it) having Dave endorse Rocky’s shoe would be much better for sales
underrated comment
Yep. Dave’s fucked for lying tho.
Dave Mayhew sounds like his career ended and now he's trying to get another income from somewhere.
What income would that be? How do you make money by saying you designed a shoe?
J d seems a bit dense to me.... 🤣🤣🤣
@@JD_tcb do you live under a fucking rock?
@@huckleberrypint2899 No, I live under an asexual rock. Now explain how you make $ by claiming credit for a damn shoe you already agreed to endorse in the 90s.
@@JD_tcb that's the whole point of the video... Dave was doing a deal with asap to design a new shoe based off the d3 so him saying he designed the d3 gives him the opportunity to be a part of a whole new brand new
I had so many different pairs of D3's between 2000-2005. I still have several completely chewed up pairs, and there was a tree in town where I grew up that people would throw their skate shoes into when they were done skating them. There had to be 30+ pairs of shredded D3s up there from the years of guys loving them!
Like panties in a rape tree, but with shoes?
In the words of Ms. Lauryn Hill: "It's funny how money change a situation / Miscommunication leads to complication". If David didn't really design the shoe he should just admit it. He still had an input and was part of the approval process. Give your buddy a call and say, "Hey, I was approached by so and so and they wanted to make me the face of another shoe but I will give you credit ... yadda, yadda, yadda... Just common decency.
FACTS crzy how money changes it
🔥
Hahahahhahaha its ironic you quoted Lauryn Hill because that chick is well known to not give credit to people that help make/produce her album. She lost a court battle over it
Patrick White what country are you from that’s so much better than the U.S.? I’m only interested because I love my country, we’re really messed up half the Time but so is everyone else , id never want to live anywhere except my country.
@@matthewsparks568 that's because it's all you know. I'm America. And we do have it better than a lot of people but I would 💯 be open to Canada, Denmark, Norway, etc... Healthcare, college, month vacations, higher pay, legalized weed nation wide. We could absolutely be better if we stopped giving so much taxes to corporations and war. It's arrogant to assume we can't be better or no where is better.
Dave is like me saying, "I wish i had a bus with wings in the sky", and then I tell the Wright Brothers that I came up with the airplane.
Yep that's exactly it
Hahahaha nailed it
oh yeah? were you there?
Except it was just the wings part.
Dave literally says that it wasn’t his job to make the shoe lmao.
No he said it wasn't his job to put it on paper, and have it manufactured...seems like the concept was his though, just didn't have the artistic ability to put it on paper
Justin Berg it’s like if I asked the graphic designer for my board company to make me a graphic with some mean looking dogs and then years later I claimed that I solely designed it.
@@SolidFoxHoundSF nah its like if i made a cartoon character and someone changes some stuff about it i still created it
And the other dude also literally went on stage and claimed that Dave was the designer... now taking his words back 20 years later LOL
@@Julianv53 not exactly. more like if you created power rangers (generic figure such as the created osiris model) and someone had a really significant concept or two for a particular ranger, that person should still be credited as a designer. (still not the most accurate analogy)
It bums me out that a lot of older pros traded their signature baggy look for a more conformed uniformic grown up dress style. Except Tom Penny who kept It real from day one.
This is like the time I was designing a negative pressure containment box for work, then my boss told me I should see about using a roll up door, then when my prototype got attention from the company, my boss tried to shove me aside and put his buddies in charge of the project and even claimed he designed it (because of his suggestion of a roll up door)... So I refused to continue developing the idea (it was a voluntary project), he asked me for the designs and I told him I had none, it was all in my head, I told him they could the prototype I built to test some of the mechanics, he gave that to his buddies, almost 2 years later they had no clue how to finish it, best part is that the company had seen my prototype and wanted a finished model to show it at other sites to roll it out company wide, my boss and his buddies were never able to deliver, and I got the satisfaction of knowing they couldn't do it without me.
Hey I write for a blog, do you think I could interview you for a story? :)
This is interesting. I'd like to hear more on this
@@Vatoxido sure, if you still write for a blog.
@@berlyngrey9242 sure, what do you want to know?
@@berlyngrey9242 this happened about a year before the pandemic, sad part about it was that when the pandemic hit and we needed to turn regular patient rooms into negative pressure rooms, my boss actually mentioned my box and admited it was a shame I never finished it as we could have just mass produced it and saved ourselves tons of labor puting up and taking down temp containment boxes that had to be literally put together with tape and needed constant maintenance.
Man, everyone in my middle school had this shoe back in the 2000s 😂
4.sure.. even we.. in the netherlands..
They made a bit of a comeback when I was in like 7th grade which was like 2011
Same
True
Yup 01-'02', I had the red/black. Every skater in my middle school owned a pair atleast once lol. We called them moon boots😁 they were the most expensive shoe at all my local shops back then. I think they were 90 or 100$.. Back in the day d3's looked sick. Then I didnt like them for many years personally.. lol but kinda wish I still had a pair right now. The all grey ones look kinda dope.
Dave talks like he ate paint as a child, I highly doubt he is capable of designing shoes.
Honest to god he dose
This is one of those instances where it is real easy to tell who is lying just from watching and listening.
All the fools who’d get baked before class and got their girlfriends pregnant at 16 wore those haha
That's true. Can't deny that one lol
For real. I loved Emerica's first Templeton shoe, it was my fav. The D3 looked like trash compared to that shoe. I was not into the hip hop puffy shoe side of skating at the time. I thought people who did were usually terrible people. Koston's "1" and the first Rowley's by vans were also rad and worn by me when I could not get my hands on the Templeton's.
So what you're saying is they got you laid?
David Anthony Stark lol girlfriends? That's a bit far fetched
Big facts
Idk, Brian comes across more genuine. I feel like Dave got credit for something and has lived with the lie too long to say anything different.
^^
Yeah.....Dave is so inconsistent with his story, “Yeah it’s not my job, I’m a skater”!! Just because he put in and pitched ideas does not mean he created or designed the shoe. He literally just said himself, that’s the job for the designer....For every popular item, there’s always been multiple ideas from different people to create the final project, but not everyone is considered a “creator”, there is one person who put in the most work and effort to create a piece of art and therefore they are called the “creator”!! Also it seems if you ask the company & most of the people who worked there at the time, they say that Brian designed it, so I just think it’s best to go off of that!!
I had so much pairs of those D3 when I was into skateboarding. Won some doing contests, some were given to me by stores. Spent years wearing those shoes and never had to pay for them
And they kind of wore out fast. They would always crack at the bottom part of the wave on the side for me. Still loved em though.
the elephant in the room is Tony Mag. Id love to hear his take on it.
Doesn’t matter you can literally see that Reid designed the shoe look at the shoe before he literally shows a shoe that literally looks the same you can tell Reid designed the shoe
Brandon Anderson someone wasnt paying attention, lol, if you think Dave designed that, you ARE stupid as a brick
idiotburns you clearly didn’t read my comment it clearly says you can clearly see I stated that Reid designed the shoe what are you talking about you should as stupid and your username
Dave sounds like an old washed up skater that is now claiming the work of a prolific designer
Dang yeah he kinda does huh
Why am I watching this? I have never heard of Osiris
I’m a grandmother I wear scetchers 🤣
You are adorable lol
Cause it’s vice. That’s y
Can make this blow up because as a designer myself I take this to heart. It’s like that Simpsons episode where they find out itchy and scratchy was stolen
the skater acts like he literally designed the shoe from paper to production lol
Who hears from the late '80s early '90s they used to skate all the time?! Such awesome memories growing up.
Even if the side Template was his idea he still did not at all design the shoe 😂😂😂
I must have been like 8-9 years old back in 2001. I begged my mom to buy me the D3s for Christmas I got the black and yellow ones. Man.. they were expensive too. $60 back then.. which was crazy.. cause in 2001 $60 for skate shoes was crazy.. but they were it. Osiris was dope.
Dave just wanted to feel relevant and cool again and hanging out with Rocky was that. It is so obvious he is not the artist responsible for the existence of the shoe and is exposing himself as being extremely cringe and selfish. Reid designed the D3 and thats on that (didnt know about this shoe until this video).
*It is actually Reid who wants to look cool and relevant again with all this butthurt lol*
What really happened:
Reid: Hey Dave, We are gonna use your Image as the designer so we can Sell more, because you are more popular as and athlete than me as a designer so this will help us selling!
Dave: Sick brah, is this on the contract also? I mean, me as the shoe designer?
Reid: Sure brother, you will be! We will endorse like that, so for it to dont look fake we got you on the contract too!
20 years later...
Dave: Yeah. I designed the D3.
Reid: huh?
Dave: Yeah bro that's right, it is ON THE CONTRACT (and that is what matters actually).
If this shoe was a FLOP this guy Reid would'nt want to have his name associated with it. But since it is trending again, he wants the spotlight on him, it is simple.
For me personally it is pretty fair, they lied, they used his image putting him as a designer to sell more back then, and now he got the title as designer under contract, so its safe for him :D
@Serena Rios 💯 exactly! He acted like he fucked his old girlfriend or something! Reid probably married her! I'm sure its something more personal...but no doubt reid designed these!
Serena Rios m.ruclips.net/video/4VmBQfyxHXA/видео.html
@@EduardoGiunta nah, that's not how it works. If you designed something that millions wore, celebrities wore and then 20 years later it trends again you get credit. You don't get called a whiny baby because you want that and the shoe wasn't a flop so why even bring that up. That person should get credit for the work when it spurs creativity in the next generation. Ensuring that isn't messed up. Get real.
10:48 “Obviously I’m a skateboarder, that wasn’t my job.” Immediately after saying that it was his job, under contract to design the shoe.
I definitely remember them being $150... couldnt afford them back then so I remember buying copies at shoe city for like $20 😭
“I came up with the idea and the design for my portrait, then DaVinci just added the bells and whistles”
-Mona Lisa
Lol it's no secret that most pro athletes/musicians/ whatever, have far less involvement in designing their signature thing, than they want us to believe. We're not stupid.
Some are. If it never worked, they wouldn't do it
Osiris owes a large majority of its success to CCS. They pumped Osiris, DC and Etnies like no other. Also, I remember when the shoe came out and it was widely known that Brian designed Osiris shoes. He changed the skate shoe game.
thats what i remember too all those CCS catalogs i used to get for years during the 2000s... and they always included the D3, every single issue lol
@@BAGAKOOS Im sad thinking about the past now
:(
Never Summers and Alien Workshop was all over the CCS catalog as well. Man, I used to be so pumped when the new CCS showed up in the mail. A quick google search shows CCS is still around which warms my heart.
they pumped what was popular and sold
You weren't sh*t back in the day unless you had that CCS catalog in your oversized back pocket.
You know someone is lying when they say o he just put bells and whistles on it
Like bro.. the bells and whistles make up the entire design of the shoe! Dave is over here acting like designed the concept of foot wear.
what's messed up is Reid designed the shoes aka built the bell, whistles, bell tower, bell hammer, etc.. Mayhew says 'add a whistle' and claims to be the designer.
He also started smiling everytime he lied.
I could never afford a pair of D3's. Now I'm in my mid 30's and wondering why the D3's are still $100.
I remember when I got the d3 2001, I had to basically make a deal with my parents on doing house work to extend the shoe budget. Two years prior I was rocking payless shoes...then I got into skating and the muska's were like $90, those were a birthday gift, and they drew the line at the D3's because $150 was just waaaaay too much money for shoes i was gonna shred apart in 3 months time from skating. To this day, those puffy bastards were my pride and joy hahaha
Muska’s with the stash pocket were classics
Yep same! My family insisted making fun of them and called them my “snoopy shoes”. I was so proud of them though, and I obliterated them in the same time frame. Attempted fixes with “shoe goo” numerous times but they were done for.
That look on Mayhew’s face is him stifling the shame some subdued part of him knows he should feel
the way mayhew smirks as he tells his story is like LA noire characters while you interrogate them
Dave made em 😭
Seems like a giant lesson in being careful who you credit when you're making things
I remember skating back in the early 2000s my favorite shoe was the etnies vallely 2 but I remember the osiris d3 being so popular everyone and their brother had a pair either that or the chad muska weed pocket shoe lmfao I miss that time so much. Skate and play playstation 2 all day long
I had the muska with the weed pocket, also had the globe chets, those where the most comfortable.
@@mademansandro I also had all 3 of those shoes. I had the original d3 and the red and white ones. I think my circa (Muska shoe) was black and red, and my chet 4s were the black, gray, red and white ones.
@@jayadam3423
Great minds think alike
Etnies for the win.
I had és a d they were sick af
Dave: i designed it, it was fun, at the time, i made it, it was mines...
Ried: here is the blueprints, d3's were based on my old theses here, as you can see the orgianls are this and this, oh and i have data of everything i designed.
Teacher: put your name on the paper or else you wont get credit for it.
Ried aslo: 👁🗨👄👁🗨
LOL, this is good, need to remember the teacher analogy thats good! - @og_r3id
@@brianreid7982 Dayummm didnt think the one and only would comment on my haha. cheers and good health! 😁✌
@@brianreid7982 👀
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Most controversial for me was the muskas. That weed pocket enabled me to carry trees all the time and eventually that led to my arrest.
Original muskas, kostons and accels made me love es.
I remember getting pinched and when I got out, I still had my weed on the stash pockets :v
Irregular Hunter J thats dope..
Loved those, ES made some dope shoes
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I had the Buffalo (German company, shoes made in Spain/Portugal) version, a rip off of the D3 2001, and later ès, growing up in the 90’s and 2000’s, went from platform (Buffalo), to skate shoes. Didn’t matter if you where into skating or not. Everyone had them. People had ès, DC, Etnies, Osiris, Buffalo, Puma, Adidas, Nike, Vans, and Converse. Just like today minus the skate shoes. I grew up and live in Norway, Scandinavia, northern Europe.
When I see that shoe all I think of a spiky hair and glow sticks
i skated them bur im 33 now , but i also saw the girls dancing with them and ppl doing xtc hahah and with glow sticks
Basically white people
This dude Dave seems to be grasping for any kind of play he probably just needs money
😂🤣😁🤣😁😁
...It literally has nothing to do with money for either party. Learn how a business works. Or how to watch a video.
Jd another burner here 😭😜
@@JD_tcb yea because these dudes are such good people they actually have been running non profits and dobt mzkr any money. That's why there on vice.
Still not as handy as the chad muska circas with the weed pocket in the left tongue
Dood I had those as well. Metal mesh that snapped due to excess use and interchangeable lases.
Nothing worse than getting ripped off creatively. Unfortunately, this happens in every design industry. From art, to fashion to graphic design to whatever else. Know heaps of people who’ve been ripped off. Myself included. It’s annoying and it’s unfair.
Anyone who went to school for design and worked in the industry knows that Dave Mayhew designed that shoe... just like the Kardashians design their perfume and their makeup or whatever else that gets made by people who know what they are actually doing, and then they pick version 1 2 or 3 and slap their name on it. I mean really people, we probably wouldn't even have a D3 if Dave didn't pick "Design 3"
Haha!
Yeah but whos name is in writing? Sorry thats how the world goes 🤷♂️ who do you think invented electricity? 🤣😂
@@samuelyeet6006 obviously Dave Mayhew invented electricity... well he designed it. He’s a skater, inventing isn’t his job.
No it was mayhews 3rd shoe, the 3rd shoe he endorsed ...not the 3rd design of this shoe
@@krusher181 lol and? His names on it.. the claimed designer and CEO of the company wrote "designed by Deve Mayhew" on the shoe.. then gave him a trophy that said the same thing and announced it for an entire audience... dont come crying after you gave the credit away to make some extra money... sucks to suck 🤷♂️
It's clear that Dave Mayhew didn't design the shoe BUT at the same time Osiris was using the pros (like companies do now) to sell the shoes and clothes and boards. So because the shoe took off it was like wait a minute now the designer comes out to claim their recognition but there is an ethical dilemma there. Had the shoe come out and not gained that iconic status it would be a remnant of (as odd as it feels to say today at 31) retro skateboarding culture. Personally I really loved Circa's shoes and think they had some of the dopest designs including some of the Chad Muska stuff. Circa, eS, Emerica, Vans, and all those major players had cool unique styles that changed the shoe game. I remember kids that didn't skate being called posers for wearing skate clothes and it bothered me as a kid because I am a skater and in my youth it was my identity and gave me something to feel a part of when I didn't have a group that I clicked with like the jocks, the nerds, the band, etc. In retrospect it's a bit silly but I miss the 90s and early 2000s for skateboarding. Some of my fondest memories of life were during those games. Also so hyped to see Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 & 2 coming back in proper form this year!
No. The issue here is somebody claiming the shoe as their own singular creation when that was not the case. You can clearly listen to the designer say that since Mayhew is saying the shoe was his sole (hehe) creation, current and potential future business opportunities are at risk due to integrity and ethics. If Mayhew said he was part of a team in the shoe's design then there would no issue here. Mayhew is lying and therein lies the problem.
I think all of us late 80's babies miss that era...
I feel you man. Sad stuff thinking back to thoes good days. Im 30
I'm 33. I wanted these so badly when I skated, so I bought them a few years ago just to fulfil a childhood fantasy. Still love them
I had so many pairs of these in high school. Loved these. Back when shortys fulfill the dream and zero misled youth were the top skate videos on vhs lol than Osiris the storm video , daemons song vs Rodney mullen... prime skate times from my childhood 🙏
Me in 2001 learning to varial flip with the d3
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Started that in 1997 dog.
Ha! Exactly! Me too
Was 18 then skating daily. Now 38 still travelling lots
You can prolly still skate em
The Osiris D3, ÉS Chad Muska’s, & Globe Chet Thomas’s we’re straight fire 🔥
The ÉS Muska’s were my favorite skate shoe.
Thanks for bringing me back down memory lane 👊🏻
Michael Steele Aviation I had a pair of Osiris Muskas and loved those shoes.
The etonic is indeed the best proof that he did also design the d3. No two men can design such horribly ugly shoes, at least i hope
😂😂
lol
😂 still his and not daves though
That’d be funny if Dave claimed that shoe, too.
Lol the majority of people clearly loved that shoe as sales would heavily suggest lol
comes down to a fundamental argument between engineers and artists in many, many industrials - The engineer considers themself the designer, and the artist is a "stylist". The artist considers themself the designer, and the engineer is the "production engineer". It's semantics. Who designs a car- the person who does the clay model, or the person who does the engineering design.
Marc Johnson was on the Nine Club and talked about the meeting where pros picked their shoes and Mayhew showed up to the meeting late so that’s why his name was stuck to it. The shoe was done before Mayhew got it, so they gave it the name after it was designed. It just adds a little bit more complexity to the corporate body and what actually happened with Mayhew’s involvement.
This was always worn by the rich kid who couldnt do a kick flip.
Soo true
Haha or even ride a skateboard
.FACTS
Same with most kids that wore DC.
that would be me
Now we just need Soap Shoes to make a comeback.
Funny. I was just talking about grinding the mall in my soaps.
Yessss
I can’t even find those