"Of course he isn't... BECAUSE BOUNDLESSLY OUTERVERSAL IS FODDER TO GOKU 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 EVEN BASE GOKU IS INFINITELY ABOVE BOUNDLESSLY OUTERVERSAL 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭"
I already know this is gonna be insane cuz heroes scaling isn't even a scale, it's a speeding bullet train that long forgot where the rails were and just decided to say "Fuck it, we ball!"
As someone that hasn't consumed any Heroes content at all, this video was like a fever dream. If I ever get into Heroes, I'll still be just as blind as before I watched this.
Haha well.. you know what's crazy, there's other certain scaling metas that put Xeno goku higher tho like this: Obviously There's countless statements that implies that there's infinite timelines in the DBH, but those timelines are not your simple timelines, but hypertimelines which is a higher spatial reality than the ordinary timelines, it make sense that this is the case because the mysterious man's dimension is stated to have layers upon layers of Spacetime.. which DBL Buuhan destroyed, why I did bring up dragon ball legends? it's because Dragon ball heroes is amalgamation of all dragon ball contents, there's an alternate timeline that is similar to DBS in DBH, and so on and so forth,.. So there's the Beats world which exist beyond the Multiverse, a multiverse that contains countless of those hypertimelines and the crack of time, a separate dimension from time which has it's own Time crystals which represents hypertimelines as well but it's larger than the previous hypertimelines considering the Time scrolls represents hypertimelines as well and it's akin that of the ordinary hypertimelines and its smaller In sized than the time crystals which would make the Time crystals a bigger hypertimeline, and which would inherently make Beats world a higher dimensional realm than the whole multiverse, also if someone say beats world is just the future timeline of dragon Ball heroes(which is not true) is incorrect because if it's just a ordinary timeline, then Mira and towa could've easily access and travel to it which is not the case and there's countless statements that said the Dragon ball multiverse feels fake to Beats worlds characters, and there's the fictional Japan as well which is exist beyond the Beats world, and the Charisma world which Fu travel to. which exist even beyond the fictional Japan Also Demigra is stated to transcends space and time and threatened to destroy everything, all of creation that includes all hypertimelines, time crystals, time scrolls, etc.. even the Beats world, fictional Japan and potentially the Charisma world will not survive the crossfire Yet DEMIGRA got dogwalked by Xeno goku Yeah in the Videox Mechikabura absorbed all of existence so it includes the not just the infinite hypertimelines, but it includes the beats world, fictional Japan, time scrolls, time crystals, toki toki world.... etc.. and Mechikabura is eclipsed many times over by many characters like CC goku, Xeno goku, Xeno Bardock etc. Remember: This is just a fraction of his feats, I could obviously list more
Its fanservice for those db fans who think bigger number/muscles are the cool part of the series. Yknow, seeing ssj4 gohan or whatever and jizxing their pants even if theres no narrative and its a midass video game cutscene
I’m not gonna lie this video feels like it was pulled straight out of 2020. The downplay and misunderstanding is crazy. One Beat wasn’t even a saiyan until he entered the game. We see this clearly when he literally creates his avatar ON SCREEN!!! Two we know this is the case because if you actually read the manga and played the games it’s stated that Demigra had to “transcend the multiverse” to reach it. Or when infinite history is destroyed it clearly doesn’t affect his home. Which would make no sense if it was the future or a alternative timeline.
For Demigra to even pull something like that off he would have to surpass all of the dimensional concepts of his own verse and the one that exists outside of it and views all of it as fiction which logically means it infinitely transcends his own verse in every way (which would include all forms of space, time and dimensionality). Demigra threatening to destroy Beat's world would at bare minimum make him high outerversal
There has been multiple statements that the afterlife is higher dimensional. Not in the show itself, but by guides and people who worked on DB. Goku is already 5D minimum from DBS because of his feat from Beerus. I've seen people scale him to 6D because the guide for DBS Broly says that Broly and Gogeta destroyed a "super space" when they were punching each other to alternate realities. I don't understand how that works to be perfectly candid, but if someones wants to explain that to me, I'd be willing to listen. I know for a fact he's 5D at least, I would just like an explanation for the 6D part.
There were statements like in the jump magazines that stated Goku and Beerus's battle in BOG was super dimensional so Goku as early as BOG can be scaled to 5D to 6D. There's also the fact that Infinite Zamasu engulfed all of Future Trunk's timeline and fused with the entirety of universe 7 (which is a multiversal sized realm) and grew so much to the point where his power seeped into multiple other timelines such as the present, this alone makes Infinite Zamasu 5D and Goku was confident he could have stopped him with a single Senzu Bean. Jiren also surpasses this version of Zamasu in his base form and Goku becomes stronger than Jiren by the end of the TOP so Anime Goku alone scales to 6D
@@adeelshaikh8503I don’t agree with Lonk’s scaling cause it seems like downplay, but official divine is the exact opposite and high balls statements to the upmost
@@Vibes2270 go and watch his video . he always gives u a lowball and high ball scaling . like super goku will scale to complex multi to outer . with infinite to irrelevant speed. there is 2 scaling (maybe 4 ) . complex with infinite and outer with irrelevant .(and in this video he was scaling with only manga feats not anything from games but in divine's video he used every feats .)
Demigra nearly destroyed Beat's World which extends beyond all of the normal Dragon Ball cosmology. To even do this he has to destroy the concepts of space and time as well, it's stated multiple times by characters like the Supreme Kai of Time that the platonic concepts of space and time exist in the Dragon Ball universe, Demigra being able to affect the real world would give him another conceptual layer of power and would at bare minimum make him high outerversal. The same Demigra is later beaten by Xeno Goku in base form.
I have a crazy idea. There is an official statement saying that cc goku at the first arc is exactly super goku after top. So if cc goku was equal to ssj4 xeno goku then by proxy super goku should scale to xeno goku's feat.
Cc goku is a different goku from aother timeline. None of it is canon. It just references canon events. But nothing in canon has ever referenced db heroes. Not directly.
Kinda disagree with macrocasm scalling . DBS COSMOLOGY is like this. 1. universe/living world. 2. demon realm. unbound of science and math laws 3. Dimension of Strange Swirling Lights. it's extra dimension or SUPER DIMENSION call it whatever and there are multiple of them stacked on each other and it's above PREVIOUS dimensions. 4 . Afterlife which is not just above but TRANSCENDED dimensions mentioned here. and flow of time doesn't exist or works here. (It's similar to how flash in dc once RUN'S into a place where concept of death doesn't exist to escape from death ) 5. Heaven's as big as universe and exist within afterlife. 6. HYPER time chambers these are locate within universe but exist independent of its law's and casuality. Multiple of these located in living world/ universe . 7. Hyperspace it's only mentioned once in db movies it's still a part of main verse cosmology. All these REALM'S /dimensions are seprate from each other by a barrier and all of this are confined within a barrier and all this barriered structure is called macrocosm . And every single one of realms mentioned in these are infinite in size and surpass each other in hireachy and dimensionality . living world = Hypertime chamber =< Demon real = Hyperspace (4d )
@@Dodoq3032B2A seriously 😐 here normal Dragon ball super going way past 6d . And beats world does have R>F existence. And you doesn't need R>Fto go past 6d.
@@abhijeetgolder7535 dbs or heroes Prove it Dimensions can work many ways the scans doesn't even show an infinite heirarchy etc Novel D still stomps (except heroes)
@@Dodoq3032B2A and on which WAY'S you want dimensions or realms to work. Cause a 3 dimension space works in three ways . With addition of time universe becomes a 4 dimension place where it can work 4 WAY'S. And after afterlife concept of dimensions is no longer applicable due to them TRANSCENDING it. From then on they're just high dimensional realms.
@@abhijeetgolder7535 Depends on what tiering you put dbs cosmology at & Also in 2 . Unbound by maths and laws ? what's the point ? were are you going to
@@abhijeetgolder7535Personal opinion, Xeno gets 1-5 layers into Outerversal, got clowned for saying he’s infinitely into it because of the SSG - TUI form multipliers. If you’re able to shake something that’s infinitesimally INFINITE and you couldn’t have prior. . That’s imo why I think the forms above SSJ3/SSJ4? Are infinite.
@@CeoOfThe4thDimension it is, you just don't know anything about about dragon ball beyond the anime and manga, you probably don't even know how to power scale correctly
@@perfection20 I’m better than you lil bro omg a downplayer let’s say they don’t crap about a series we take out of context because we can’t read that’s you lil bro so don’t attack me when you don’t know how abstractions work
Dragonball universes are like bags of seeded grapes. Each seed is that of the base dimension. The mortal realm, hell, otherworld. That sorta thing. Each grape is the overall universe that contains them. Each bag is the timeline the 12 universes exist together in. Other bags are other timelines
Huh thats weird infinite 5d to 6d power feels like an extreme low ball almost borderlining on downplay to me. Even taking into account the extra dimension you said could be added at the end i feel like thats even downplaying it. Especially since basic statements from the games like supreme kai of time being able to hold infinite multiverses together with said multiverses having infinite timelines/dimensions qualifying as bare minimum mid complex multiversal and that start of series supreme kai of time being essentially fodder in the verse to krillin. I thought the heroes verse ranged more from around complex multiverse+ as a lowball to hyperversal as a general midball and outversal as a high ball with stuff like game goku getting authors authority from tori bot and arale scaling in general should be encompassed in heroes. Though they may be different versions the general comology should be connected due to the "all of dragon ball history statement"
I kid you not, in the games alone Demigra alone is outright stated to transcend the entire infinite Dragon Ball multiverse and not only threatens to destroy that but also higher transcendental dimensions that view the regular Dragon Ball cosmology as fiction. So he not only surpasses the collective dimensionality of his own verse but also the one that exists outside of it and views all of it as fiction which can easily be argued to beyond outerversal/boundless at an extreme lowball. Why is all of this important? Because Xeno Goku bullies him in base form.
@@ashuraomega1000that just sounds like a 5D maybe 6D feat to me, also like the other guy said pretty sure he only said he would just destroy dimensions not transcend
2:35 Its stated by trunks that for demigra to enter beats universe he needs to transcend space, "space" in this context being used as A space or space time aka the dragon ball heroes multiverse so beats world is the "real world"
This was the most consistent dbh scaling. This is hard to do bc of the three different versions of heroes plus the fact that God mission is different from later games. That’s why usually people use all of them, even Xenoverse. Which it ain’t wrong but it makes it way more complicated
Sounds like a lowball. But you did admit you were only using mainly the manga. So thats probably why you got it so low. But this completely ignores beats real world, the charisma world, one piece, toriko, arale's world and the numerous other higher dimensions that exist in the franchise and cosmology. You also didnt mention the other games referenced and mentioned in the franchise to. And you completely ignore the hax. 😂 This is like scaling canon goku only using the material from the original dragonball before his fight with raditz. 😂 Its a good start, but quite frankly i have canon goku at 5D to 6D. 🤷♂️ i can easily get heroes goku to outerversal. I dont even need that goku to hit that level, xenoverse goku can hit that level.😂 and hes fodder to heroes. Just a sub space in his world already has infinite timelines. Its a dlc. Its not even a primary timeline. Mechikabura's feat is canon fodder there to. Demigra did the exact same thing.and goku with no ki and no god ki, mostly dead, nullfied that attack😂. So yea, maybe manga only heroes is 5D to 6D. But when you take into account the entire canon, especially the games, he gets much higher. You even bring up the hypertimeline theory, that alone can get canon goku up to like 9D. In heroes that alone is hyperversal. And i dont even need the arale meta. Thats just one more layer of fictional transcendence on top of beats world and the charisma world. _____ All that being said jump force goku is still stronger. Like by narrative hes stronger. And god fusion goku is even more powerful than that. So heroes goku is not the strongest goku.
He tried to argue that Beats world is just another timeline in the cosmology even though it's shown multiple times throughout the story that it's a higher transcendental dimension that views the regular infinite Dragon Ball multiverse as fiction, with the Charisma World scaling even higher than all of this.
Power scaling isnt about wanking a character as high as possible. Its about lining up their feats in the text to a simple to understand scale, and seeing how that stacks up vs other characters. Sure, you can take feats out of context, or apply them wrong, and add scales and scales upon the cosmology, but at the end of the day, the text rarely ever supports these takes.
@@ijones36 I can say the same thing about batman, superman, naruto, sonic, dante, Kratos, doom, kirby, persona franchise and many other wanked characters. I've got the writers straight up scaling guys like superman to flat out planet level. Like superman's own writers. So all of scaling is a guessing game. And not even the authors would agree, let alone the material itself. I've straight up seen cc goku threatened to be killed by blowing up the planet. Something canon goku has survived before. And cc goku had 1,000s of hax and abilities that can save him from that, including the ability to survive in space and fly to other timelines. But did cc goku think of any of that? No, it needed something to threaten him. PIS. Like the flash getting hit by bullets or catwoman. Its nonsense. So all of this is based on theory. I get that. That being said this video leaves out 80% of the franchise and huge portions of the cosmology. This includes charisma world, beats world, one piece, dr slump, db kakarot, xenoverse 1 and 2, db fighters, and the actual db heroes arcade game and video game, dokkan, budokai series, the actual daizenshuu, kanzenshuu, arale meta, and his hax (which can summon numerous warriors to the field of battle, including arale). So taking all of that into account, I don't think the scaling in the video is complete.
Got to give Heroes credit for not discarding GT the way the fandom tries to, but made a version of SS4 equal to the strongest version of Super Goku and they fight together.
It is a glorified commercial from Toei, but does give respect to the whole series of Dragon Ball. Sure things get crazy or get dropped, but it is still quite fun. Seeing things like Raditz vs Turles is pretty awesome. Or getting the Legacy Kamehameha with Gohan, Goku, and Bardock. Heroes isn’t something to take serious just to have fun with.
I love this. As someone who is very into Heroes scaling I think you did great on covering the most important parts in scaling the series. Keep up the great work and hopefully you have a good one (:
@@CarlosGarcia91000No, you didn't like the video because it was good, but because Dragon Heroes is minimized. This video is exactly simple and I think DBH goes much further than 5D.
@@AXIOMISFODDERANDWEAKASF I’m not a downplayer gng I know how it works in the actual show unlike a idiot like you because I take the time to actually break it down
What I like about Heroes is that it has a lot of villains and most of the Heroes original ones (excluding noncanon forms like Golden Cooler and SS4 Broly) feel appropriately strong enough to fit Super Goku and God Ki... Unlike Super. Goku should have been just fighting Gods and Demons or Demon Kais (that Toriyama mentioned), Demon god tier characters to make God Ki and SSB feel necessary. Super just never did that. Michikabura being able to potentially destroy space-time and alternate realities unambiguously is freaking God tier stakes.
Boundless since he views all of shonen jump as fiction which means he transcends all of it and he's still bounded by fiction as a whole so his feats count
@@RetroMagnus761he doesn't come close to boundless, viewing all of shonen jump as fiction isn't even impressive since Dragonballs base cosmology is already higher than other verses in shonen jump, at best he's 5D maybe 6D
@@mrheebee_jeebees2432 he transcends ALL of shonen jump. His power is inherently higher than the entire sebset of fiction. Regular DBS cosmology is NOT above all of shonen
@@RetroMagnus761 name one verse in shonen jump that has a higher cosmology than DB, you do realize shonen jump only contains a handful of animanga verses, all of them weaker than DB so JF Goku transcending shonen jump really isn't impressive
Actually, Fu out of all the continuities of Heroes scales to Heroes' Zeno(Who ofc outscales Beerus Who was above Blue Goku After he surpassed Cumber) The arcade have Hearts directly Say that Fu was becoming like Zeno with the Universe tree before even Gogeta Blue or 4 happen and thus before the 2 Goku merge their Kis In the anime, he Is able to recreate anything including Zeno and he draws Power from ALL THE UNIVERSES which Is on a space time level as he confirmed before and we know It absorbs the Power of people under the effect of the universe tree so It likely absorbed different Zenos' Powers And then in the Manga he can restart too everything and everyone, thus Zeno as well Also yes, Demigra Is implied in both the anime and manga to be above Fu different times Also Cc Goku outright says to Xeno Goku that he didn't think an Oozaru or ssj4 could reach such level of Power while fighting him as Just UI Omen despite he knows Bardock's Power as an ssj4 and Gohan was likely below him even with the amp from the 2 Kaioshins
That is false I know this because I understand it's interpretation in Japanese and I do accurate Hereos content. A few things first nothing is above Zeno in the history of DB and the Zeno in Hereos is the same one from the DBS anime this is mentioned several times in the anniversary guides. Bandai can not create characters that go beyond what Toriyama originally has and characters that are not meant to be surpassed yet. It all has to go through Toriyamas company Bird Studios and Shueisha. Dogi Dogi Fu is still below the 12 Angels, Grand Priest and Zeno. When Hearts says Fu is becoming an existence akin to Zeno he is referring to how Zeno is not in terms of hax or raw power. Fu was becoming something like him a being that is above other beings and rules all over all in that sense. Him drawing power from all the universes is also misleading since the Universe Tree roots only took some energy for all 12 universes not all their energy because the GoDs were defending them. Also all this energy only amounts to create a single Universe and Fu needed the help of Dogi Dogi and Toki Toki but the Universe Tree is only galaxy in size.
@@GodslayerSeiya actually It doesn't matter how much they Say It Is the Same from Super, he could have lived a similar Life, doesn't mean its strength Is equal Also actually I presented points for Fu being above Zeno Also yes I saw your videos, great contents but actually I think feats pretty much go against the idea of Whis for example being stronger than the others Actually, by being above other beings you can still compare him to others rather than Zeno and fu doesn't even want to rule them There's no mislead, I am talking about the statements in the anime, the 12 Gods of destruction could go on and intervene but then Fu said "I moved to the space time, now they can't interfere" and Chronoa said he was absorbing the Power from all the universes I don't think I Need to explain more Also the universe tree being galaxy sized doesn't really change much, also no It didn't refer to a single universe? It literally referred to at least an entire timeline since he wanted to recreate everything and everyone, including Zeno, the Angels etc... Explicitly and Chronoa was worried he was gonna do that
@@simeon8814 No offense but that's all wrong you just assuming and making up canon with no context. There is no feats that puts any character above Whis and you clearly didn't see my videos especially the SDBH anniversary guide interviews. Bandai can not make characters that are stronger than Angels, Grand Priest etc Heroes is just the original DB and what if features that they are limited to expanding on. Fu bringing using the Universe Tree in the Cracks of Time is because the gods are not allowed to enter. It's specifically stated that GoDs and Supreme Kai's can't. It never stated that Angels can not or Zeno. Bandai used this an excuse to exclude the GoDs and back in Universe Mission they themselves stated they excluded the GoDs because the story would be over quickly if they were involved. Also Zeno was excluded because he would just erase everything and everyone. Again context is important and you don't understand Japanese interpretation you reading it as simple as a line is said. The Universe Tree gets the energy from all the Universes but it was not every last bit of energy and Fu couldn't create a Universe without the help of 3 sources. Toki Toki, Dogi Dogi and the Universe Tree and it be galaxy sized is that it alone is not enough to create a Universe. Lol funny how you telling me what it refers to when you have no idea what interpretation the kanji gives. It literally refers to a single universe not an entire timeline. You just alot head canon stuff because you just don't know the information especially backstory on Bandai's production. What you think doesn't mean anything since like I said it's a fact that no character in any DB is above the Angels, Zeno or Grand Priest.
@@GodslayerSeiya no offense yeah, all I am saying Is I am using what the show says for example for the anime this Is under your assumptions thought Bandai can Say they didn't but the show Is clear:FU WAS GONNA RESET EVERYONE INCLUDING ZENO Then not being allowed to enter BC again they moved to affect space time Simply confirms my point, also Angels can feel things up to the crack of time but we never saw them enter It Again, That Is Just an assumption when the anime directly tells us Fu Is gonna recreate everything and everyone including Zeno I already addressed your argument of fu being unable to create a universe and what he really meant in context so I don't Need to repeat myself Again, Bandai can Say "oh no" and go against the show and what It says, what in the show goes against Fu's statements? If anything Chronoa believed fu lol
@@GodslayerSeiya guides do contradict the source material all the time, also if you want to talk about kanjis, yes, Ik that universe isn't the Same as timeline as in how It Is written etc... It doesn't mean the context makes It refer to a timeline unless you think Zeno Is part of universe 7 which Is likely what you are arguing for
Oh yeah, a lot of people confuse feats from the Anime with the Game. Anime Heroes Goku doesn't get past 5D. He should actually be somewhat relative to canon Goku. Those statements on infinite timelines was only in the game. However, the Game is much more insane, his hax and abilities are f*cked and he is genuinely Outerversal
Actually cc Goku and xeno Goku are hyperversal. I remember when chuck made a video on xeno goku he used to put him at 6/7d but overtime hes scaling improved. Destroying a multiverse doesn't always means the character is multiversal plus, just depends on the nature of said multiverse, quality>quantity.like in dc or marvel destroying a universe is a multiversal feat likely low complex multiversal.Also xeno and cc Goku aren't the strongest versions of goku in fictional media
@@IsaiahJones-rw1pc thats surface level, you have get into quality,yes it is multiversal but is more impressive if you understand the context.when you say Goku is above universal you wouldn't be wrong, but using that level of comparison is adorable
The names “Hero Goku” and “CC Goku” are just fan-made and refer to the same Goku from the main Dragon Ball series. Goku remains the same character across all Dragon Ball media, whether it’s from Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super, or related games. In Dragon Ball Online, the story takes place in a future timeline, but characters still interact with the present. This is significant because in the Buu Saga of Dragon Ball Z Universe, Goku and the player defeat Mira, and Toa later retrieves Mira in a weakened state. Toa’s appearance in Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot ties these events together, making both games canon to each other and the main continuity. This connection implies that Goku in Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot is the same Goku in Dragon Ball Z Universe and Dragon Ball Super. The same Goku appears in different scenarios across these titles. For further proof of Dragon Ball Z Universe being canon, the involvement of Toyotarou, who collaborates closely with Akira Toriyama, in creating the Dragon Ball Z Universe manga, solidifies its place in the Dragon Ball continuity. Despite differences in media formats-whether manga, anime, or games-Goku is consistently the same character, and Dragon Ball Z Universe holds a canonical status within the overarching Dragon Ball story.
Heroes scaling is "whoever has a new card is stronger than the last guy" Also, what's funny is, technically, the "primary" canon in Heroes would be the games, but they're very barebones in how the story is told.
Yep he does. Xeno goku can negate the slimes hax with the keysword(Basically as the context said, negates abilities on the conceptual level). Goku has a higher level of power than rimuru, he's just as fast, more durable, and not as smart compare to the slime in BIQ(Because the slime has a Mana called Raphael/Ultimate skill) but obviously he's no push over in this category, so yeah, he is stronger. 😅 I'm pretty new to scaling too, we could practice together 😅
@@Kimito_Lioku No he Does not Rimuru is High Outerversal or Outerversal Since in His Cosmomgoly He scales To The Sky makes up space, existence, and information Hell has no concept of the sky located within it They also call a hell demon a slug In comparison to Rimuru
@@Jsipki265 you can argue its not the same but she probably still capable of doing the same thing especially sense the joke of her crossover episodes are her being crazy gag character that can do crazy thing but thinking of Akira I don't think he think she another version he just put her in db and went with it +in some moder remake of Dr slamp kid goku dose apper that exsist too
😂, L scale bro, no disrespect but that's like ignoring Toriyama entirely when he keeps saying "The afterlife transcends time or the concept of time" "The afterlife is Cho jigen" referring to 5D to Outerversal realms The broly movie interview they even brought in mathematicans to try and quantify a higher dimension in screen hence the characters went from 2D to 3D animation and it was also stated "Broly and Gogeta crashed through several Cho Jigen" 😂 So each db Universe is low multi? 😂 Oh my bad I forgot the time room which holds the past, present and future which makes it a 4D realm on its own and thats a tiny room in Kami lookout 🙃 There's as temporality isn't 4D it's 1D above the spatial dimensions and there can be several temporal dimensions hence a timeline can be 4D or 10D And need I go into the anime where Goku and supreme kai state Goku can never go back to the temporal world with the afterlife always being referred to as a higher realm 😂 Hence L scale, and as u can see I'm not disrespecting u I'm simply stating why it's an L scale with reasons for it Now u can hate on me all u want but if u can't provide a solid debunk ur just a goon If u scale heroes anywhere from Outer - Boundless that's a decent scale
When it comes to dragon ball heroes Goku the only thing that I hear is he solo fiction which is annoying because no one character can beat everything in fiction
What...it doesn't make sense how can beats world their future even tho he enter their own thought a game?! It just doesn't make sense maybe Goku's talking about another timeline where beats exist in their world maybe its that
It depends. In World Mission it's revealed Beat is actually a descendant of Goku, which would mean Beats world is just really far in the future. Though all the games don't really connect to each other and have their own storylines, so it depends if you wanna keep that thought of Beat and Goku for all timelines or just the WM one.
@@Cam10_84I'm pretty sure that just means that Beat in the games is connected to Goku. Like his avatar which is his manifestation of himself in the game world is connected to Goku. Either that or Beats world is actually the "real" Dragon Ball universe in the future and Heroes is just an arcade game that has Dragon Ball characters in it. Either way Beats world is definitely it's own dimension
@@Cam10_84 Beats is a descendant of the Goku from the real world. Beat's world is not an alternate timeline within the arcade, the arcade is literally fake to beat. In SDBH UM the whole plot is how Sealas from Beat's world merged together the arcade and Beat's world. Then, we see Beat's world's Goku who he's a descendant of there's even scans prior to that statement that clarify that. Beat is not a descendant of the Goku from the arcade. The arcade was just a way for the Beat's world's characters to revisit the past events and memories of what happened in the real world.
Could you take a look into the afterlife of dragon ball ant the statements made by Takao Koyama about this things in his twitter QnA. Also I think that you’re incorrect about what beats world in the way that it isn’t a realm over because of how it sounds more a kin to some that may but could still also be a place with in the same universe, But a higher dimension most likely.
Well the individual timelines being 4d is quite the low ball for a couple of reasons, 1 timelines are both the 12 universes and stuff from where the dbs story takes place and the timeline trunks is in which would have the exact same 12 universes. This should by all accounts mean that a whole timeline is 5d, 3 dimensions of space and 2 of time. Think of a time in a time space as a straight line (effectlvly a 1d structure) now having multiple of those lines youd get smt like a sheet of a paper (effectivly a 2d structure). I tried my best to explain 😂
Now for the second. It's just the otherworld, being stated to trancend dimensions that cannot be seen by the humans (or smt) taking that as dimensional transcendence (which imo we should since there aren't any dimensions between otherworld and the main universe for the statement to make sense) this would mean it trancends 4d dimensions (which can mean it trancends a 6d structure since its plural but that's nitpicky at best😂) at the very least but considering bulma can understand and interact with the 2nd dimension of time then it can be argued as a Low ball it's 5d and mid ball 6d already
3 is barely half a point tbh bc I'm not sure how canon or how that even works. In the dbs manga it's stated that broly and gogeta broke into a super dimension taking it literally means on it's own it's 5d, considering bulma being able to time travel (her knowing about the 2nd dimension of time) 6d and for high ball using the otherworld you'd get like what? 7 or 8d? Lol. Again don't flame me for this and you're welcome for the engagement!!!!
@@lonkstakesJust to let you know you made misinterpreted the Beat’s World scan. Also, God Mission is a precursor to the other missions it’s not necessarily an alternate continuity. Although, to elaborate this is what I mean, Beat is stated to be a descendant of the Goku from the real world. Beat’s world is not an alternate timeline within the arcade, the arcade is literally fake to Beat. In SDBH UM there’s someone named Sealas the whole plot is how Sealas from Beat’s world merged together the arcade and Beat’s world. Then, we see Beat’s world Goku who he’s a descendant of there’s even scans prior to that statement that clarify that. Beat is not a descendant of the Goku from the arcade. The arcade was just a way for the beats world characters to revisit the past events and memories of what happened in the world.
I've come to terms with the fact that DBHeroes will never make sense, it's a fun power trip that doesn't take itself too seriously. But if you're going to do animated promotional material for that franchise, at least put some effort in, the very first DBH shorts were pretty decent in that regard but it quickly degraded into absolute boredom with either the staff or the execs not caring in the slightest that it would look cheap as hell. Even the promotional anime, the only thing it got right is the art section, gotta give them that, it looked generally on par with ToP DBS era if not usually cleaner. But the animation... barring a few very specific moments like that one segment from episode 13 where Shida stepped in, it was bad, and I mean baaaaaaaad. Also it got the same treatment as GT and Super with constant downscaling in the visual depiction of its feats despite characters being multiversal. Gone are the days of DBZ where mass destruction was actually a relevant thing.
2:52 it definitely is a higher dimensional realm, the characters in DBS are already 4D-5D(shaking the world of void can only be impressive if it's a higher dimensional realm than the universe which has already been surpassed near the beginning of DBS, so naturally everyone stronger than MUI T.O.P. Goku is 5D, and then everything in heroes happens The real world definitely doesn't reach 10+D but it's certainly 7D at the least. Not a trans-dimensional realm but definitely reaching or approaching the low hyperversal range 7:10 there's known to be an infinite number which easily makes them 6D thus the real world naturally has to be 7D to be substantially impressive And I'm pretty sure there's several layers of infinite timelines which is why I said it isn't 10D but it's 7-9 dimensional You could argue everyone is overexaggerating about shaking the world of void being impressive but that's boring so why would you do that when you easily can argue it's 5D? Unrelated fun fact: did you know Yog-sothoth (the Cthulhu mythos(the real name is the Yog-sothothery)) is unironically beyond boundless(low extraversal) (webcamparrot did a video on it a couple years ago)
Daima ep1: oh hey goku what are you doing? Daima Goku: oh i have been playing with this Fuu guy, he's strange but pretty weak, i only needed a "jan ken pon" attack to beat him
Another misinformation Goku never trains with the Grand Priest he just got his injuries recovered and got a new outfit. This is stated a few times in Vjump, arcade dialogue, official promo anime site and anniversary guide.
Can't wait for people to tell me Goku is actually boundlessly outerversal...
He beats the same kid who beat cancer, put him in tier 0 immediately
Accounting hyperboles? Yup. Nappa is outerversal with mistranslations😂
"Of course he isn't... BECAUSE BOUNDLESSLY OUTERVERSAL IS FODDER TO GOKU 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 EVEN BASE GOKU IS INFINITELY ABOVE BOUNDLESSLY OUTERVERSAL 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭"
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 and terra 3 saitama claps.
Ok I will be posting a small scalling on main dbs continuity Cosmology.
Hope you read it.
I already know this is gonna be insane cuz heroes scaling isn't even a scale, it's a speeding bullet train that long forgot where the rails were and just decided to say "Fuck it, we ball!"
Lol
“Fuck it, we Super Dragon Ball” 😂
GREAT LONK'S TAKES DRAGON BALL HEROES HOW STRONG 💪 IS GOKU HEROES.
As someone that hasn't consumed any Heroes content at all, this video was like a fever dream. If I ever get into Heroes, I'll still be just as blind as before I watched this.
Haha well.. you know what's crazy, there's other certain scaling metas that put Xeno goku higher tho like this:
Obviously There's countless statements that implies that there's infinite timelines in the DBH, but those timelines are not your simple timelines, but hypertimelines which is a higher spatial reality than the ordinary timelines, it make sense that this is the case because the mysterious man's dimension is stated to have layers upon layers of Spacetime.. which DBL Buuhan destroyed, why I did bring up dragon ball legends? it's because Dragon ball heroes is amalgamation of all dragon ball contents, there's an alternate timeline that is similar to DBS in DBH, and so on and so forth,.. So there's the Beats world which exist beyond the Multiverse, a multiverse that contains countless of those hypertimelines and the crack of time, a separate dimension from time which has it's own Time crystals which represents hypertimelines as well but it's larger than the previous hypertimelines considering the Time scrolls represents hypertimelines as well and it's akin that of the ordinary hypertimelines and its smaller In sized than the time crystals which would make the Time crystals a bigger hypertimeline, and which would inherently make Beats world a higher dimensional realm than the whole multiverse, also if someone say beats world is just the future timeline of dragon Ball heroes(which is not true) is incorrect because if it's just a ordinary timeline, then Mira and towa could've easily access and travel to it which is not the case and there's countless statements that said the Dragon ball multiverse feels fake to Beats worlds characters, and there's the fictional Japan as well which is exist beyond the Beats world, and the Charisma world which Fu travel to. which exist even beyond the fictional Japan
Also Demigra is stated to transcends space and time and threatened to destroy everything, all of creation that includes all hypertimelines, time crystals, time scrolls, etc.. even the Beats world, fictional Japan and potentially the Charisma world will not survive the crossfire
Yet DEMIGRA got dogwalked by Xeno goku
Yeah in the Videox Mechikabura absorbed all of existence so it includes the not just the infinite hypertimelines, but it includes the beats world, fictional Japan, time scrolls, time crystals, toki toki world.... etc.. and Mechikabura is eclipsed many times over by many characters like CC goku, Xeno goku, Xeno Bardock etc.
Remember: This is just a fraction of his feats, I could obviously list more
Its fanservice for those db fans who think bigger number/muscles are the cool part of the series. Yknow, seeing ssj4 gohan or whatever and jizxing their pants even if theres no narrative and its a midass video game cutscene
@@leaffinite2001ssj4 Gohan is cool tho
Goku clears the tiering system. That’s all I have to say.
💀
Nah
@@Mope333 He does, cope.
@@RiasGremoryS54 Cope deez nutz
Nope
Good and comprehensible video,but jesus the scaling in heroes is above the concept of insane
I’m not gonna lie this video feels like it was pulled straight out of 2020. The downplay and misunderstanding is crazy. One Beat wasn’t even a saiyan until he entered the game. We see this clearly when he literally creates his avatar ON SCREEN!!! Two we know this is the case because if you actually read the manga and played the games it’s stated that Demigra had to “transcend the multiverse” to reach it. Or when infinite history is destroyed it clearly doesn’t affect his home. Which would make no sense if it was the future or a alternative timeline.
For Demigra to even pull something like that off he would have to surpass all of the dimensional concepts of his own verse and the one that exists outside of it and views all of it as fiction which logically means it infinitely transcends his own verse in every way (which would include all forms of space, time and dimensionality). Demigra threatening to destroy Beat's world would at bare minimum make him high outerversal
@@ashuraomega1000 I would say that's more of a Outerversal if not layers into Outerversal tier
daima outscaling heroes would be so funny
Nahhh
There has been multiple statements that the afterlife is higher dimensional. Not in the show itself, but by guides and people who worked on DB. Goku is already 5D minimum from DBS because of his feat from Beerus. I've seen people scale him to 6D because the guide for DBS Broly says that Broly and Gogeta destroyed a "super space" when they were punching each other to alternate realities. I don't understand how that works to be perfectly candid, but if someones wants to explain that to me, I'd be willing to listen. I know for a fact he's 5D at least, I would just like an explanation for the 6D part.
The thing is in term dimensionality
Timeline>> zeno realm >>>neutral zone>>> every universe
There were statements like in the jump magazines that stated Goku and Beerus's battle in BOG was super dimensional so Goku as early as BOG can be scaled to 5D to 6D. There's also the fact that Infinite Zamasu engulfed all of Future Trunk's timeline and fused with the entirety of universe 7 (which is a multiversal sized realm) and grew so much to the point where his power seeped into multiple other timelines such as the present, this alone makes Infinite Zamasu 5D and Goku was confident he could have stopped him with a single Senzu Bean. Jiren also surpasses this version of Zamasu in his base form and Goku becomes stronger than Jiren by the end of the TOP so Anime Goku alone scales to 6D
Fun fact when they went into the super space their art style went from 2d to 3d.
I know 5D Is just "minimum"
But I think it still too low
Like even DBS cosmology can already be scaled to 5(Or even 6D) pretty consistently
exactly baby, heroes goku is easily scaled to boundless watch official divine video
@@adeelshaikh8503I don’t agree with Lonk’s scaling cause it seems like downplay, but official divine is the exact opposite and high balls statements to the upmost
@@Vibes2270 go and watch his video . he always gives u a lowball and high ball scaling . like super goku will scale to complex multi to outer . with infinite to irrelevant speed. there is 2 scaling (maybe 4 ) . complex with infinite and outer with irrelevant .(and in this video he was scaling with only manga feats not anything from games but in divine's video he used every feats .)
@@marufhasan417he is trippin Goku didn't even go over high multiversal and he says lowball Goku is complex multiversal to ouerversal
Demigra nearly destroyed Beat's World which extends beyond all of the normal Dragon Ball cosmology. To even do this he has to destroy the concepts of space and time as well, it's stated multiple times by characters like the Supreme Kai of Time that the platonic concepts of space and time exist in the Dragon Ball universe, Demigra being able to affect the real world would give him another conceptual layer of power and would at bare minimum make him high outerversal. The same Demigra is later beaten by Xeno Goku in base form.
I have a crazy idea. There is an official statement saying that cc goku at the first arc is exactly super goku after top. So if cc goku was equal to ssj4 xeno goku then by proxy super goku should scale to xeno goku's feat.
Cc goku is a different goku from aother timeline. None of it is canon. It just references canon events. But nothing in canon has ever referenced db heroes. Not directly.
Real
Where is that stated?
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EXCELLENT WORK. LONK'S TAKES DRAGON BALL HEROES HOW STRONG 💪 IS HEROES GOKU
Kinda disagree with macrocasm scalling .
DBS COSMOLOGY is like this.
1. universe/living world.
2. demon realm. unbound of science and math laws
3. Dimension of Strange Swirling Lights. it's extra dimension or SUPER DIMENSION call it whatever and there are multiple of them stacked on each other and it's above PREVIOUS dimensions.
4 . Afterlife which is not just above but TRANSCENDED dimensions mentioned here.
and flow of time doesn't exist or works here. (It's similar to how flash in dc once RUN'S into a place where concept of death doesn't exist to escape from death )
5. Heaven's as big as universe and exist within afterlife.
6. HYPER time chambers these are locate within universe but exist independent of its law's and casuality. Multiple of these located in living world/ universe .
7. Hyperspace it's only mentioned once in db movies it's still a part of main verse cosmology.
All these REALM'S /dimensions are seprate
from each other by a barrier and all of this are confined within a barrier and all this barriered structure is called macrocosm . And every single one of realms mentioned in these are infinite in size and surpass each other in hireachy and dimensionality .
living world = Hypertime chamber =< Demon real = Hyperspace (4d )
But still no R>F transcendence so still 5-D,6-D at best
@@Dodoq3032B2A seriously 😐 here normal Dragon ball super going way past 6d .
And beats world does have R>F existence.
And you doesn't need R>Fto go past 6d.
@@abhijeetgolder7535 dbs or heroes
Prove it Dimensions can work many ways the scans doesn't even show an infinite heirarchy etc Novel D still stomps (except heroes)
@@Dodoq3032B2A and on which WAY'S you want dimensions or realms to work.
Cause a 3 dimension space works in three ways .
With addition of time universe becomes a 4 dimension place where it can work 4 WAY'S.
And after afterlife concept of dimensions is no longer applicable due to them TRANSCENDING it. From then on they're just high dimensional realms.
@@abhijeetgolder7535 Depends on what tiering you put dbs cosmology at & Also in 2 . Unbound by maths and laws ? what's the point ? were are you going to
I was expecting Heroes Goku to be crazy, but "5-D+" levels of power is nutty lmfao...
Great content as always man, love to see the growth 👍
LoL that's a LOWBALL the current DBS COSMOLOGY alone way surpass 5d plus rating.
@@abhijeetgolder7535Personal opinion, Xeno gets 1-5 layers into Outerversal, got clowned for saying he’s infinitely into it because of the SSG - TUI form multipliers. If you’re able to shake something that’s infinitesimally INFINITE and you couldn’t have prior. . That’s imo why I think the forms above SSJ3/SSJ4? Are infinite.
Xeno Goku alone can be argued to boundless
@@ashuraomega1000 I’ve seen it, mainly with something to do with him seeing his own verse as fiction.
@@Monkes23eh perhaps idk really it seems plausible, I’m just thinking why he can’t rip a hole in reality and basically become the author at that point
Should be noted Goku was able to match Demigra with UI Omen by himself for awhile even while low on energy, and was equal to him with Vegeta's help.
This is straight up downplaying 🙏🏻💀
Not even
Yeah
As a dB fan it’s not you just don’t read nor actually understand the show
@@CeoOfThe4thDimension it is, you just don't know anything about about dragon ball beyond the anime and manga, you probably don't even know how to power scale correctly
@@perfection20 I’m better than you lil bro omg a downplayer let’s say they don’t crap about a series we take out of context because we can’t read that’s you lil bro so don’t attack me when you don’t know how abstractions work
Dragonball universes are like bags of seeded grapes. Each seed is that of the base dimension. The mortal realm, hell, otherworld. That sorta thing. Each grape is the overall universe that contains them. Each bag is the timeline the 12 universes exist together in. Other bags are other timelines
Huh thats weird infinite 5d to 6d power feels like an extreme low ball almost borderlining on downplay to me. Even taking into account the extra dimension you said could be added at the end i feel like thats even downplaying it. Especially since basic statements from the games like supreme kai of time being able to hold infinite multiverses together with said multiverses having infinite timelines/dimensions qualifying as bare minimum mid complex multiversal and that start of series supreme kai of time being essentially fodder in the verse to krillin. I thought the heroes verse ranged more from around complex multiverse+ as a lowball to hyperversal as a general midball and outversal as a high ball with stuff like game goku getting authors authority from tori bot and arale scaling in general should be encompassed in heroes. Though they may be different versions the general comology should be connected due to the "all of dragon ball history statement"
yeah i thought he was at least 11-12D, some people just upscale him from a highballed outerversal goku
I kid you not, in the games alone Demigra alone is outright stated to transcend the entire infinite Dragon Ball multiverse and not only threatens to destroy that but also higher transcendental dimensions that view the regular Dragon Ball cosmology as fiction. So he not only surpasses the collective dimensionality of his own verse but also the one that exists outside of it and views all of it as fiction which can easily be argued to beyond outerversal/boundless at an extreme lowball. Why is all of this important? Because Xeno Goku bullies him in base form.
@@ashuraomega1000he doesn’t transcend he said he would destroy dimensions
@@ashuraomega1000that just sounds like a 5D maybe 6D feat to me, also like the other guy said pretty sure he only said he would just destroy dimensions not transcend
@@mrheebee_jeebees2432 having power over those dimensions and being able to destroy them = transcending them.
Don't let OfficialDivine and Kazi see this😭😭
Fr lmao.
At least they can actually scale Xeno Goku properly
@@IsaiahJones-rw1pc sure they do buddy
😂😂😂@@IsaiahJones-rw1pc
@@MLamar0612 😂 Yeah lonk is gonna be torn apart even though he's 100% right
2:35 Its stated by trunks that for demigra to enter beats universe he needs to transcend space, "space" in this context being used as A space or space time aka the dragon ball heroes multiverse so beats world is the "real world"
This was the most consistent dbh scaling. This is hard to do bc of the three different versions of heroes plus the fact that God mission is different from later games. That’s why usually people use all of them, even Xenoverse. Which it ain’t wrong but it makes it way more complicated
This Heroes scaling is buns 💀
The verse caps at universal
You seem smart.@@eibarmanpessi1142
@@eibarmanpessi1142the base cosmology is infinite 5D bare minimum 💔
@@eibarmanpessi1142 Funny joke
Sounds like a lowball. But you did admit you were only using mainly the manga. So thats probably why you got it so low.
But this completely ignores beats real world, the charisma world, one piece, toriko, arale's world and the numerous other higher dimensions that exist in the franchise and cosmology. You also didnt mention the other games referenced and mentioned in the franchise to.
And you completely ignore the hax. 😂
This is like scaling canon goku only using the material from the original dragonball before his fight with raditz. 😂
Its a good start, but quite frankly i have canon goku at 5D to 6D. 🤷♂️ i can easily get heroes goku to outerversal. I dont even need that goku to hit that level, xenoverse goku can hit that level.😂 and hes fodder to heroes. Just a sub space in his world already has infinite timelines. Its a dlc. Its not even a primary timeline. Mechikabura's feat is canon fodder there to. Demigra did the exact same thing.and goku with no ki and no god ki, mostly dead, nullfied that attack😂.
So yea, maybe manga only heroes is 5D to 6D. But when you take into account the entire canon, especially the games, he gets much higher. You even bring up the hypertimeline theory, that alone can get canon goku up to like 9D. In heroes that alone is hyperversal.
And i dont even need the arale meta. Thats just one more layer of fictional transcendence on top of beats world and the charisma world.
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All that being said jump force goku is still stronger. Like by narrative hes stronger. And god fusion goku is even more powerful than that. So heroes goku is not the strongest goku.
He tried to argue that Beats world is just another timeline in the cosmology even though it's shown multiple times throughout the story that it's a higher transcendental dimension that views the regular infinite Dragon Ball multiverse as fiction, with the Charisma World scaling even higher than all of this.
Power scaling isnt about wanking a character as high as possible.
Its about lining up their feats in the text to a simple to understand scale, and seeing how that stacks up vs other characters.
Sure, you can take feats out of context, or apply them wrong, and add scales and scales upon the cosmology, but at the end of the day, the text rarely ever supports these takes.
@@ijones36agreed but with correct information no?
@@ijones36 I can say the same thing about batman, superman, naruto, sonic, dante, Kratos, doom, kirby, persona franchise and many other wanked characters. I've got the writers straight up scaling guys like superman to flat out planet level. Like superman's own writers.
So all of scaling is a guessing game. And not even the authors would agree, let alone the material itself. I've straight up seen cc goku threatened to be killed by blowing up the planet. Something canon goku has survived before. And cc goku had 1,000s of hax and abilities that can save him from that, including the ability to survive in space and fly to other timelines. But did cc goku think of any of that? No, it needed something to threaten him. PIS. Like the flash getting hit by bullets or catwoman. Its nonsense.
So all of this is based on theory. I get that. That being said this video leaves out 80% of the franchise and huge portions of the cosmology. This includes charisma world, beats world, one piece, dr slump, db kakarot, xenoverse 1 and 2, db fighters, and the actual db heroes arcade game and video game, dokkan, budokai series, the actual daizenshuu, kanzenshuu, arale meta, and his hax (which can summon numerous warriors to the field of battle, including arale).
So taking all of that into account, I don't think the scaling in the video is complete.
JF Goku is overrated and god fusion Goku is quite literally featless, heroes is the strongest and caps at like 7D at best
Good vid lonk awesome p.s: I still hope we can get that Wolverine gauntlet vid🙂
Got to give Heroes credit for not discarding GT the way the fandom tries to, but made a version of SS4 equal to the strongest version of Super Goku and they fight together.
They didn't make ss4 stronger that form grows that strong on it's own.
Ssj4 isn’t on par he is relative maybe but still weaker than Super Goku
@@j2sketchy They had to nerf ssj4 in order for MUI to beat ssj4. Mui is the new Goku form so they couldn't have a old form beating it.
It is a glorified commercial from Toei, but does give respect to the whole series of Dragon Ball. Sure things get crazy or get dropped, but it is still quite fun. Seeing things like Raditz vs Turles is pretty awesome. Or getting the Legacy Kamehameha with Gohan, Goku, and Bardock. Heroes isn’t something to take serious just to have fun with.
Goku's so strong he created his own system with his power alone called Gokuversal.
Oh I've been waiting for this Lonk.
JF Goku and God fusion goku?? You forget these two guys
fr
They're super duper hyper super boundless
@@rafi_sensei5421 they literally view all of shonen as fiction
@@MightyCole1 I agree
@@MightyCole1they are boundless and the scp verse lol stomps any of the 2 u mentioned don’t believe me look it up
W video lonk, really easy to follow and interesting 💯
wow...
I never expected xeno goku to be created from trunks's memories and imagination.
Damn
I thought xeno goku is the movie goku .
I love this. As someone who is very into Heroes scaling I think you did great on covering the most important parts in scaling the series. Keep up the great work and hopefully you have a good one (:
Finally, someone else besides me that also likes this video. Glad I’m not alone.
@@CarlosGarcia91000No, you didn't like the video because it was good, but because Dragon Heroes is minimized. This video is exactly simple and I think DBH goes much further than 5D.
opm fans : write down write down
But can he beat Goku though?
I’m just really glad Super Saiyan 4 got to shine and evolve, showing that it has the capability to compete with power of the gods!
He not beating Goku actually works now 💀
Wait isn't the other world like 5d
The Dimension of Swirling lights surely is, at the very least
No it’s 4D
@@CeoOfThe4thDimension 5d
@@CeoOfThe4thDimension downplayer
@@AXIOMISFODDERANDWEAKASF I’m not a downplayer gng I know how it works in the actual show unlike a idiot like you because I take the time to actually break it down
I’d say Infinite 5D + Immeasurable speed. The only Goku who could be stronger is Jump Force.
didnt know carthu was a member,thats cool
Makes sense, Lonk is basically Carthu but if he was a power scaler
In 9:07 the super dimensions are arguably higher than 4 dimensional space.
So is he like complex multiversal?, hyperversal? Or outerversal?
multiversal at max
Hyperversal
@@Toddles how is he multiversal when he surpassed mechikabura who was multiversal? Make it make sense
@@Saiyan295
Hyper
@@Toddles timelines don’t have to be 4D
Finally someone putting real arguments and doing research, instead of just saying: "CC Goku solos"
What I like about Heroes is that it has a lot of villains and most of the Heroes original ones (excluding noncanon forms like Golden Cooler and SS4 Broly) feel appropriately strong enough to fit Super Goku and God Ki... Unlike Super. Goku should have been just fighting Gods and Demons or Demon Kais (that Toriyama mentioned), Demon god tier characters to make God Ki and SSB feel necessary. Super just never did that. Michikabura being able to potentially destroy space-time and alternate realities unambiguously is freaking God tier stakes.
Used to watch this show 3 years ago
Lonk you're wrong Goku is Boundless+ beyond tiering because He IS MONKEY
Nah but seriously though great video
Bro, you’re Kratos video was fired🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@CarlosGarcia91000 thanks my man! Your words mean a lot my g
Can you scale Jump Force Goku?
Boundless since he views all of shonen jump as fiction which means he transcends all of it and he's still bounded by fiction as a whole so his feats count
@@RetroMagnus761he doesn't come close to boundless, viewing all of shonen jump as fiction isn't even impressive since Dragonballs base cosmology is already higher than other verses in shonen jump, at best he's 5D maybe 6D
@@mrheebee_jeebees2432 he transcends ALL of shonen jump. His power is inherently higher than the entire sebset of fiction. Regular DBS cosmology is NOT above all of shonen
@@RetroMagnus761 name one verse in shonen jump that has a higher cosmology than DB, you do realize shonen jump only contains a handful of animanga verses, all of them weaker than DB so JF Goku transcending shonen jump really isn't impressive
Im sorry i hear the words "boundless" or "outerversal" the sane way i hear people say "2+2=9" its just laughable
They're really complicated to understand
Great video!
Actually, Fu out of all the continuities of Heroes scales to Heroes' Zeno(Who ofc outscales Beerus Who was above Blue Goku After he surpassed Cumber)
The arcade have Hearts directly Say that Fu was becoming like Zeno with the Universe tree before even Gogeta Blue or 4 happen and thus before the 2 Goku merge their Kis
In the anime, he Is able to recreate anything including Zeno and he draws Power from ALL THE UNIVERSES which Is on a space time level as he confirmed before and we know It absorbs the Power of people under the effect of the universe tree so It likely absorbed different Zenos' Powers
And then in the Manga he can restart too everything and everyone, thus Zeno as well
Also yes, Demigra Is implied in both the anime and manga to be above Fu different times
Also Cc Goku outright says to Xeno Goku that he didn't think an Oozaru or ssj4 could reach such level of Power while fighting him as Just UI Omen despite he knows Bardock's Power as an ssj4 and Gohan was likely below him even with the amp from the 2 Kaioshins
That is false I know this because I understand it's interpretation in Japanese and I do accurate Hereos content. A few things first nothing is above Zeno in the history of DB and the Zeno in Hereos is the same one from the DBS anime this is mentioned several times in the anniversary guides. Bandai can not create characters that go beyond what Toriyama originally has and characters that are not meant to be surpassed yet. It all has to go through Toriyamas company Bird Studios and Shueisha. Dogi Dogi Fu is still below the 12 Angels, Grand Priest and Zeno.
When Hearts says Fu is becoming an existence akin to Zeno he is referring to how Zeno is not in terms of hax or raw power. Fu was becoming something like him a being that is above other beings and rules all over all in that sense.
Him drawing power from all the universes is also misleading since the Universe Tree roots only took some energy for all 12 universes not all their energy because the GoDs were defending them. Also all this energy only amounts to create a single Universe and Fu needed the help of Dogi Dogi and Toki Toki but the Universe Tree is only galaxy in size.
@@GodslayerSeiya actually It doesn't matter how much they Say It Is the Same from Super, he could have lived a similar Life, doesn't mean its strength Is equal
Also actually I presented points for Fu being above Zeno
Also yes I saw your videos, great contents but actually I think feats pretty much go against the idea of Whis for example being stronger than the others
Actually, by being above other beings you can still compare him to others rather than Zeno and fu doesn't even want to rule them
There's no mislead, I am talking about the statements in the anime, the 12 Gods of destruction could go on and intervene but then Fu said "I moved to the space time, now they can't interfere" and Chronoa said he was absorbing the Power from all the universes
I don't think I Need to explain more
Also the universe tree being galaxy sized doesn't really change much, also no It didn't refer to a single universe? It literally referred to at least an entire timeline since he wanted to recreate everything and everyone, including Zeno, the Angels etc... Explicitly and Chronoa was worried he was gonna do that
@@simeon8814 No offense but that's all wrong you just assuming and making up canon with no context. There is no feats that puts any character above Whis and you clearly didn't see my videos especially the SDBH anniversary guide interviews. Bandai can not make characters that are stronger than Angels, Grand Priest etc Heroes is just the original DB and what if features that they are limited to expanding on.
Fu bringing using the Universe Tree in the Cracks of Time is because the gods are not allowed to enter. It's specifically stated that GoDs and Supreme Kai's can't. It never stated that Angels can not or Zeno. Bandai used this an excuse to exclude the GoDs and back in Universe Mission they themselves stated they excluded the GoDs because the story would be over quickly if they were involved.
Also Zeno was excluded because he would just erase everything and everyone. Again context is important and you don't understand Japanese interpretation you reading it as simple as a line is said. The Universe Tree gets the energy from all the Universes but it was not every last bit of energy and Fu couldn't create a Universe without the help of 3 sources. Toki Toki, Dogi Dogi and the Universe Tree and it be galaxy sized is that it alone is not enough to create a Universe.
Lol funny how you telling me what it refers to when you have no idea what interpretation the kanji gives. It literally refers to a single universe not an entire timeline. You just alot head canon stuff because you just don't know the information especially backstory on Bandai's production. What you think doesn't mean anything since like I said it's a fact that no character in any DB is above the Angels, Zeno or Grand Priest.
@@GodslayerSeiya no offense yeah, all I am saying Is I am using what the show says for example for the anime
this Is under your assumptions thought
Bandai can Say they didn't but the show Is clear:FU WAS GONNA RESET EVERYONE INCLUDING ZENO
Then not being allowed to enter BC again they moved to affect space time Simply confirms my point, also Angels can feel things up to the crack of time but we never saw them enter It
Again, That Is Just an assumption when the anime directly tells us Fu Is gonna recreate everything and everyone including Zeno
I already addressed your argument of fu being unable to create a universe and what he really meant in context so I don't Need to repeat myself
Again, Bandai can Say "oh no" and go against the show and what It says, what in the show goes against Fu's statements? If anything Chronoa believed fu lol
@@GodslayerSeiya guides do contradict the source material all the time, also if you want to talk about kanjis, yes, Ik that universe isn't the Same as timeline as in how It Is written etc... It doesn't mean the context makes It refer to a timeline unless you think Zeno Is part of universe 7 which Is likely what you are arguing for
Oh yeah, a lot of people confuse feats from the Anime with the Game. Anime Heroes Goku doesn't get past 5D. He should actually be somewhat relative to canon Goku. Those statements on infinite timelines was only in the game.
However, the Game is much more insane, his hax and abilities are f*cked and he is genuinely Outerversal
Lonk how far do you think you can go in Og DragonBall with prep time?
what is the music that starts at 12:38 called
Actually cc Goku and xeno Goku are hyperversal. I remember when chuck made a video on xeno goku he used to put him at 6/7d but overtime hes scaling improved.
Destroying a multiverse doesn't always means the character is multiversal plus, just depends on the nature of said multiverse, quality>quantity.like in dc or marvel destroying a universe is a multiversal feat likely low complex multiversal.Also xeno and cc Goku aren't the strongest versions of goku in fictional media
Destroying a multiverse is destroying multiple universes at once, that is indeed multiversal
@@IsaiahJones-rw1pc thats surface level, you have get into quality,yes it is multiversal but is more impressive if you understand the context.when you say Goku is above universal you wouldn't be wrong, but using that level of comparison is adorable
great video, nice quality, trent sent me here
The names “Hero Goku” and “CC Goku” are just fan-made and refer to the same Goku from the main Dragon Ball series. Goku remains the same character across all Dragon Ball media, whether it’s from Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super, or related games.
In Dragon Ball Online, the story takes place in a future timeline, but characters still interact with the present. This is significant because in the Buu Saga of Dragon Ball Z Universe, Goku and the player defeat Mira, and Toa later retrieves Mira in a weakened state. Toa’s appearance in Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot ties these events together, making both games canon to each other and the main continuity.
This connection implies that Goku in Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot is the same Goku in Dragon Ball Z Universe and Dragon Ball Super. The same Goku appears in different scenarios across these titles.
For further proof of Dragon Ball Z Universe being canon, the involvement of Toyotarou, who collaborates closely with Akira Toriyama, in creating the Dragon Ball Z Universe manga, solidifies its place in the Dragon Ball continuity. Despite differences in media formats-whether manga, anime, or games-Goku is consistently the same character, and Dragon Ball Z Universe holds a canonical status within the overarching Dragon Ball story.
Heroes scaling is "whoever has a new card is stronger than the last guy"
Also, what's funny is, technically, the "primary" canon in Heroes would be the games, but they're very barebones in how the story is told.
Heroes fans beliving in an boundless goku but downplay dc to 6D
So does he kick the shit out of the slime? Im still pretty new to scaling and all that
Yep he does. Xeno goku can negate the slimes hax with the keysword(Basically as the context said, negates abilities on the conceptual level).
Goku has a higher level of power than rimuru, he's just as fast, more durable, and not as smart compare to the slime in BIQ(Because the slime has a Mana called Raphael/Ultimate skill) but obviously he's no push over in this category, so yeah, he is stronger. 😅
I'm pretty new to scaling too, we could practice together 😅
@@Kimito_Lioku No he Does not Rimuru is High Outerversal or Outerversal Since in His Cosmomgoly He scales To The Sky makes up space, existence, and information
Hell has no concept of the sky located within it They also call a hell demon a slug
In comparison to Rimuru
@@Kimito_LiokuXeno Goku does not have the keysword, that equipment only belongs to Bardock and Trunks
This is sad, I thought lonks was reliable 😔
Bro can't scale
Yes
Outer DB guys are so clown like
@@Jsipki265 i have xeno goku hyper
Outerversel via arale meta
@@AXIOMISFODDERANDWEAKASF what makes DB arale the same as in the original series?
@@Jsipki265 you can argue its not the same but she probably still capable of doing the same thing especially sense the joke of her crossover episodes are her being crazy gag character that can do crazy thing but thinking of Akira I don't think he think she another version he just put her in db and went with it +in some moder remake of Dr slamp kid goku dose apper that exsist too
😂, L scale bro, no disrespect but that's like ignoring Toriyama entirely when he keeps saying
"The afterlife transcends time or the concept of time"
"The afterlife is Cho jigen" referring to 5D to Outerversal realms
The broly movie interview they even brought in mathematicans to try and quantify a higher dimension in screen hence the characters went from 2D to 3D animation and it was also stated "Broly and Gogeta crashed through several Cho Jigen" 😂
So each db Universe is low multi? 😂
Oh my bad I forgot the time room which holds the past, present and future which makes it a 4D realm on its own and thats a tiny room in Kami lookout 🙃
There's as temporality isn't 4D it's 1D above the spatial dimensions and there can be several temporal dimensions hence a timeline can be 4D or 10D
And need I go into the anime where Goku and supreme kai state Goku can never go back to the temporal world with the afterlife always being referred to as a higher realm 😂
Hence L scale, and as u can see I'm not disrespecting u I'm simply stating why it's an L scale with reasons for it
Now u can hate on me all u want but if u can't provide a solid debunk ur just a goon
If u scale heroes anywhere from Outer - Boundless that's a decent scale
A earth sized room is 4D? If you actually think this cone to the discord and try to debunk the vid.
@@Jsipki265it's not earth size goku supposed it size like earth in manga that doesn't mean it is earth size
@@nishantkumar550 There’s no other estimation of its size you would be pushing a claim with no backing.
@@Jsipki265 in guide stated it is the size of universe
@@nishantkumar550 What guide? Also why would that take priority over main canon?
whats the name of the song at the start of the scaling heros goku part of the video
I hope goku never becomes this strong tbh i feel like the story suffers when animes become this absurd in power
When it comes to dragon ball heroes Goku the only thing that I hear is he solo fiction which is annoying because no one character can beat everything in fiction
Dragon Ball fans when you say that Yamcha’s left ball hair isn’t layers into boundless:😡😡😡
God-fusion goku when?
Lonk: this is the Strongest Goku
Jump force arguably being outer:do i mean nothing to you?
These versions of goku could legit be called "gokuversal"
What...it doesn't make sense how can beats world their future even tho he enter their own thought a game?! It just doesn't make sense maybe Goku's talking about another timeline where beats exist in their world maybe its that
It depends. In World Mission it's revealed Beat is actually a descendant of Goku, which would mean Beats world is just really far in the future. Though all the games don't really connect to each other and have their own storylines, so it depends if you wanna keep that thought of Beat and Goku for all timelines or just the WM one.
@@Cam10_84I'm pretty sure that just means that Beat in the games is connected to Goku. Like his avatar which is his manifestation of himself in the game world is connected to Goku. Either that or Beats world is actually the "real" Dragon Ball universe in the future and Heroes is just an arcade game that has Dragon Ball characters in it. Either way Beats world is definitely it's own dimension
@@Cam10_84 Beats is a descendant of the Goku from the real world. Beat's world is not an alternate timeline within the arcade, the arcade is literally fake to beat. In SDBH UM the whole plot is how Sealas from Beat's world merged together the arcade and Beat's world. Then, we see Beat's world's Goku who he's a descendant of there's even scans prior to that statement that clarify that. Beat is not a descendant of the Goku from the arcade. The arcade was just a way for the Beat's world's characters to revisit the past events and memories of what happened in the real world.
Beat in UMX is different from Beat in World Mission
Have you scaled the xenoverse custom characters
Could you take a look into the afterlife of dragon ball ant the statements made by Takao Koyama about this things in his twitter QnA. Also I think that you’re incorrect about what beats world in the way that it isn’t a realm over because of how it sounds more a kin to some that may but could still also be a place with in the same universe, But a higher dimension most likely.
The db heros fan are twerking in the coment
I know i comment a lot and maybe yapping but i dont wanna edit out my comments
where can i watch this anime
LONK IS BACK🎉
Well the individual timelines being 4d is quite the low ball for a couple of reasons, 1 timelines are both the 12 universes and stuff from where the dbs story takes place and the timeline trunks is in which would have the exact same 12 universes. This should by all accounts mean that a whole timeline is 5d, 3 dimensions of space and 2 of time. Think of a time in a time space as a straight line (effectlvly a 1d structure) now having multiple of those lines youd get smt like a sheet of a paper (effectivly a 2d structure). I tried my best to explain 😂
Now for the second. It's just the otherworld, being stated to trancend dimensions that cannot be seen by the humans (or smt) taking that as dimensional transcendence (which imo we should since there aren't any dimensions between otherworld and the main universe for the statement to make sense) this would mean it trancends 4d dimensions (which can mean it trancends a 6d structure since its plural but that's nitpicky at best😂) at the very least but considering bulma can understand and interact with the 2nd dimension of time then it can be argued as a Low ball it's 5d and mid ball 6d already
3 is barely half a point tbh bc I'm not sure how canon or how that even works. In the dbs manga it's stated that broly and gogeta broke into a super dimension taking it literally means on it's own it's 5d, considering bulma being able to time travel (her knowing about the 2nd dimension of time) 6d and for high ball using the otherworld you'd get like what? 7 or 8d? Lol. Again don't flame me for this and you're welcome for the engagement!!!!
Heros scaling is Bologna
Pretty reasonable scaling compared to comics Id say. Like at least DB characters actually train.
sorry but no comic book charcters roll db charcters easily
@@ToddlesBest joke I've heard this week 😂.
@@ToddlesA single atom of Dragon ball verse is above tiering. Kid Goku fart kills all comic characters.
Lmao , no disrespect but this is just buns scale
Heroes is DBS power creep taken to its extreme. Complete, nonsensical unga bunga😭
Fuu as all ways making trouble
Please do superman vs goku
Goku loses unless it's fodder versions of Superman like movie or game superman
Cool video but can there super kill str Beast Gohan? With active?
If he has a whis active then yeah
@@lonkstakesJust to let you know you made misinterpreted the Beat’s World scan. Also, God Mission is a precursor to the other missions it’s not necessarily an alternate continuity. Although, to elaborate this is what I mean, Beat is stated to be a descendant of the Goku from the real world. Beat’s world is not an alternate timeline within the arcade, the arcade is literally fake to Beat. In SDBH UM there’s someone named Sealas the whole plot is how Sealas from Beat’s world merged together the arcade and Beat’s world. Then, we see Beat’s world Goku who he’s a descendant of there’s even scans prior to that statement that clarify that. Beat is not a descendant of the Goku from the arcade. The arcade was just a way for the beats world characters to revisit the past events and memories of what happened in the world.
Moral of the story: sdbh is wack, and some of us are still on copium from three losses to superman in a row.
Sad news dragon ball heroes is over 😢😢😢now we have that new db for the arcade
Waiting for the xenoverse 2 power scaling
Mechikabura is prob like the time trapper from superman.
Exuberrantly op , but beat everytime for laughs and jiggles.
So this doesn’t include base universe being 4d? And doesn’t include otherworld scale does it?
5:24 who they got drawing Goku I'm dying 😭
like at 5:38 he's literally hitting the Freeza pose 👽
UI Limit Breaking Super Saiyan 4😍😍
Scaling is so buns but w video😭
upon all ur scaling u put goku at 4D u didn't mention when xeno goku man handled demigra in his base form alone
Heroes Goku might last more then 0.000001 seconds against Jesus...
tbf they're both fictional
Christ solos
Keep religion outta topics like this, please 🙏.
@@dragonballgacha bruh there is actual evidence that Jesus was real. You may not believe in his divinity but he was real.
Nah an actual priest confirmed goku beats jesus😂
Putting dbh to infinite is not even downplay but being disrespectful 😭
Video this good
Is he strong enough to beat my caffeine addiction though?
I've come to terms with the fact that DBHeroes will never make sense, it's a fun power trip that doesn't take itself too seriously. But if you're going to do animated promotional material for that franchise, at least put some effort in, the very first DBH shorts were pretty decent in that regard but it quickly degraded into absolute boredom with either the staff or the execs not caring in the slightest that it would look cheap as hell.
Even the promotional anime, the only thing it got right is the art section, gotta give them that, it looked generally on par with ToP DBS era if not usually cleaner. But the animation... barring a few very specific moments like that one segment from episode 13 where Shida stepped in, it was bad, and I mean baaaaaaaad. Also it got the same treatment as GT and Super with constant downscaling in the visual depiction of its feats despite characters being multiversal. Gone are the days of DBZ where mass destruction was actually a relevant thing.
Can you do a how strong is grand priest goku
@@AntonioCruz-ex3qt grand priest Goku is Capsule Corp Goku
2:52 it definitely is a higher dimensional realm, the characters in DBS are already 4D-5D(shaking the world of void can only be impressive if it's a higher dimensional realm than the universe which has already been surpassed near the beginning of DBS, so naturally everyone stronger than MUI T.O.P. Goku is 5D, and then everything in heroes happens
The real world definitely doesn't reach 10+D but it's certainly 7D at the least.
Not a trans-dimensional realm but definitely reaching or approaching the low hyperversal range
7:10 there's known to be an infinite number which easily makes them 6D thus the real world naturally has to be 7D to be substantially impressive
And I'm pretty sure there's several layers of infinite timelines which is why I said it isn't 10D but it's 7-9 dimensional
You could argue everyone is overexaggerating about shaking the world of void being impressive but that's boring so why would you do that when you easily can argue it's 5D?
Unrelated fun fact: did you know Yog-sothoth (the Cthulhu mythos(the real name is the Yog-sothothery)) is unironically beyond boundless(low extraversal) (webcamparrot did a video on it a couple years ago)
Daima ep1: oh hey goku what are you doing?
Daima Goku: oh i have been playing with this Fuu guy, he's strange but pretty weak, i only needed a "jan ken pon" attack to beat him
So does he stomp superman prime yet
No, he does not.
I haven't watched the video yet but to my understanding hes 6D, now let's see
Another misinformation Goku never trains with the Grand Priest he just got his injuries recovered and got a new outfit. This is stated a few times in Vjump, arcade dialogue, official promo anime site and anniversary guide.