Your Low IQ Isn't What Holds You Back
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00:00 - Reddit post
02:35 - Overview
04:00 - What is success?
10:00 - Review of reddit post's points
15:41 - The result of lower IQ
21:31 - Summary
24:30 - IQ Tests
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It's so depressing that most of us put labels like "too smart", or "too stupid" on ourselves and just go on living like this, without knowing that these labels hold us back
I mean it only holds back the "too stupid" category of the population, since they take longer to learn things essentially putting them at a disadvantage, that of which holds them back.
@@l-b01josefandres44 couldn’t one argue that learning speed could be improved by practice?
@@kaushikdr there's no point in arguing, you are correct.
@@l-b01josefandres44 You're only looking at it from one angle, it's a matter of perspective. I'm sure all sorts of "smart/gifted" kids hold themselves back in all sorts of ways by not doing tasks/activities/jobs that they perceive are "below them" because they are "too smart."
Or think about people who join Mensa. There is probably a colossal amount of intellect-based ego happening in those groups, people who believe themselves to be "too smart" to maintain relationships with "regular people" so they need to seek out other people "on their level." They don't even realize how much their ego restricts and controls their lives due to their identity being so based on their perceived intelligence.
@@kaushikdr You can't improve learning speed, but you can learn more things which makes fewer things entirely new. Learning a third language might be easier than a second because you can translate some of your skills (no pun intended).
youre right, it's my high IQ thats holding me back
100% with you, mate. People with high IQ on over average have better emotional intelligence (or at least the ability to have emotional intelligence). If only we actually applied ourselves
You're*
Being high IQ makes it possible for my brain to come up with more complex falsehoods that hold me back.
Actual fax sometimes
@@yaboymike2274 why do apostrophes matter lol
I took the IQ test at age 15, scored 60, and it shattered me.
In a single moment, everything I had been told and feared to be true was confirmed. "You're stupid, incompetent, you'll never amount to anything, you're clumsy, useless, etc." My own parents and brothers fanned the flame, making me feel even more like an innate failure. Scoring 60 usually implies a certain degree of mental ineptitude, it's well below the average. So you can probably imagine how these results crippled my confidence.
Two years ago, I experienced my first epilepsy episode. My parents, worried about the implications, decided to have me seen by specialists, both a neurologist and psychologist. I was diagnosed with ADHD and regular "absence seizures". At the time, this was an exciting prospect, as it essentially handed me a scapegoat on a silver platter. I was no longer stupid because of my intellectual capacity, but instead as a result of the medical conditions I was born with. I started taking medication, but when this proved to be insufficient in solving all of my problems, I started blaming my lack of success on poor memory.
People always find reasons to not believe in themselves. We tell the person in the mirror that life is unfair, become engulfed in envy or self-loathing, and ultimately use this state of mind to justify not having to face the world. Even now, I have a hard time coming to terms with the results of my test, but at some point, I just have to learn to play the cards I'm dealt. Life begins when we've accepted our imperfections, until then, we're just a bunch of gamers sitting in front of the title screen.
Not enough errors for 60IQ, get tested again
Based on this I'd say, and it seems you did everything but say it, that your IQ says less about your identity; and more that it's just an obstacle in your success. It's just a number and doesn't change your value. You can be as smart as you want to be, but without other good social traits no one is really gonna give a damn outside of the people who found some kind of juvenile solace in bullying you for it.
Also, regardless of what people want to tell you, IQ tests are clearly based off of learned information. You aren't going to naturally understand how to solve the problems in it if you haven't been given some ounce of similar practice. That's why it's not a geuinely good way to lapse someone's intelligence. You could literally just look up how to solve them and then the whole test is moot.
You speak quite eloquently for someone who's supposed to have 10 IQ points lower than the threshold. If you're 30 or older, chances are you've taken poorly designed IQ tests when these things were not understood properly.
The last sentence is so good, title screen.. . Anyway, I'd tell you that who you are is totally dependable on you, by accepting how you are right now you can become better, eventually by working hard you'll be able to become "smarter", after all IQ can increase, it is a constant, it changes, what now is important it's for you to change as well, by admitting to the fact that you are no less than me or anyone else, don't try to be better than others, try instead to be better than you were before, the best version of yourself, which will be beyond amazing, because you are already amazing.
Very well said. Thank you for sharing your story
I've seen some smart people with over 125 IQ which still struggle in school/college and don't have a job. I Just finished watching Dr.K's "Gifted" children video and it's the same thing that I've seen some of my peers do. It's the hardwork and dedication that truly matters at the end.
and actual intelligence, you can't discount intelligence.
Assuming you can also afford the means and have the luck to make the connections required for economic and social stability.
@@l-b01josefandres44 With an IQ over 125 I think it's reasonable to assume intelligence isn't something they're lacking.
I have a 134 based on different tests and my life is pretty shite. More important than IQ is parenting, attachment styles, environment, and other factors. Like you said: hard work and dedication are absolutely essential. The IQ is just a potentiality in wait, but whether it gets used is a whole different thing. I could have been one of the best composers of my time, but I got too heavy into drugs and just checked out at some point due to my bipolar. I am still glad I can think deeper than most and do more mental abstractions in shorter time, but I'm an undisciplined and lazy person with mood swings who's parents imparted too much shame, and who was stunted in Erikson's industry vs inferiority. IQ is not everything. We are a totality, not a partiality.
Intelligence is a factor. Determination and effort is the other. Both have their importance. Face it
He should retake the test at least once. If he's depressed, he easily could've just had a bad day where he didn't get to use his full brain capabilities. Depression slows down everything, and it's way harder to think.
I get he said he's depressed because of the iq test results, but it's probable that he was pretty depressed before, but it was a 'normal' way of life for him. The iq tests results could have enhanced the depression, especially given how depressed/ near suicidal he is now.
Plus, he's in college for business, and articulated himself well, and naturally surrounded himself with very intelligent people. He is and was probably just depressed.
Yes, also it's worth noting that IQ tests have very large variability between scores of the same person regardless of having depression or not. They are a function both of how you are feeling on a given day but also of the questions you happen to get. IQ tests don't even objectively measure intelligence, but even if they did it's clear that one test score is not enough to evaluate your whole life prospects on.
THIS. He’s no in the 80s he wouldn’t have finished high school, he’d be lucky to have a GED. 2nd if he is this dumb them drop out of college it’s a waste of your time and money. Get a job in fast food. Fast food restaurants pay 12-18/hr, if you can’t do fast food. Janitorial work in hospitals pays similar. move to a city that’s smaller. Buy a mobile home, they cost like 17k. Save your extra income. Eventually buy a small house with cash. Then look for a spouse. Or look for a spouse during this time. Get married have babies. GG.
@@doctormanganate5814 He literally said this at the end of the video
Why would he retake it? he shouldn't! That's just a stupid test.
Does that test worth anything anyway ?!? I believe it's only good to measure how well some specific cognitive functions operate at the time you take the test.
I scored 135 once on the Mensa test... I still feel dumb as a rock... I failed out of engineering in University. Now I failed a whole semester in art school.
FUCKING ... ART ... SCHOOL ... Who the fuck does that?!
Believe me when I say it that IQ test is cute and all, but it ain't worth shit...
@@doctormanganate5814
I mean... "smart" isn't really a requirement for an art student, at least not in the classical sense, but yeah you are right, I got a plethora of other issues.
When Dr.K read out "I feel like the dumbest man to have ever walked this planet" I bursted out laughing thinking of the dumbest people I know never having the self awareness to ever say anything that self reflective in their lives
Lmfao
Some actually do.
Never take IQ test if you're doing good in life. I program stuff and it's something which constantly makes you strain your intelligence. Sometimes I feel stupid, and sometimes I feel smart doing my thing. If it turns out my IQ is actually below average, I'll always focus on the dumb stuff I did and blame my IQ, and the smart stuff I did to luck. This will bring in a negative feedback loop, a massive amount of insecurity that wouldn't have been if I didn't take the test.
Here's a question: If a certain skill is performed equally good by a smart person and a trained person and you're not concerned with their general flexibility, is it even useful to distinguish b/w the two people? For certain jobs, yes. For most jobs, which are non-essential and don't involve a lot of company/property/life stakes anyways, I think it doesn't matter.
24:44 Dr K was a talking about suicide and that guy in chat wrote: "living out of spite" and oh boy is that a good feeling!
The best revenge is living well
THIS is exactly why I dont want to ever take an IQ test, and I never did, Im studying engieneering and for now Im doing fine, I fear that if I take one it might have a bad result and destroy all my barely existing confidence, also, I fear that if I get a really good score I may become a narcissist, which is bad as well. I dont want to know whether Im smart or dumb, that would impede me from making fair judgements about myself on more specific situations, and would probably change the way in which I see people, treating them like superiors or inferiors.
I don’t give that much power to a iq number so I still wanna know
Great point!
Your point about teaching is fully on point. I’m a coach, and I coach a sport at which I am decent… but definitely not special. I struggled to pick up many of its finer points and techniques. Now, when I’m teaching it, I know from long, hard experience what my students are going through, and where they may get hung up, and what might make learning easier or harder.
IQ cannot be gained from being taught or coached.
@@SlyNine that wasn't the point of that section of the video.... you missed it. The point is if you HAVE a low IQ, you may in some cases be a better teacher because you've had to struggle more thoroughly to learn the material you're teaching.
I've heard it somewhere that the best teachers are still students.
@@SlyNine that‘s incorrect
He does seem to be an articulate individual who just rolled shitty parents. From the level of articulation, I wouldn't have guessed that his IQ was below average. As others have said, it is also possible that depression has caused him to score low on the IQ test. If I lived with parents that constantly put me down, I would be depressed, too.
The problem with IQ is that it's a good indicator for groups, but a HORRIBLE one for individuals.
Using IQ to show, for example, that air pollution makes one group more stupid than another is a good use of IQ. Since you're taking multiple people in each group, the flaws and fluctuations of IQ will average out to make it a good indicator of the *difference* in intelligence between *groups*.
Now when it comes to individuals, IQ is the most retarded metric there is. So many factors impact it regardless of actual intelligence/skills. The amount of sleep just before the test, the time in the day you took the test, stress, the kind of food you ate and the way you think through problem are only a few of the things that can significantly lower or increase you ability in the test. These factors average out on groups, but for an individual, they're going to make the result totally useless.
Now even if it did give a usable score, and if the score was objective (watch flamable math's experience with IQ testing, this isn't the case), it wouldn't be a good thing to let individuals know their "iq". It's not gonna help, it's only adding a useless, debilitating voice in your head. Either "that's because you're smart", "but I was supposed to be smart"... or in the other case "can't help it I'm dumb", "that was luck, I'm not actually smart". No individual gains anything from this info (hyperbole but not really).
For anyone who has taken a test and are still pained by it, let me tell you with utmost certainty that you can do more than you think you can, and that pretty much everyone's the same on average.
Also quit social media if you spend more time on it than with friends, it's bad for you.
- A random math major who believes Mensa to be the cringiest elitist organization of them all.
Also intelligence isn't static.
There should be a Richard Feynman club where the only condition to enter is to not be a member of elitist MENSA
This. You could have a score of 140 and still be a general failure at life. It's all about the opportunities that you take, the way you were raised, and what traumas you still haven't dealt with. I should know.
IQ as it’s used is a joke, period.
Btw it’s meant for individuals. And no you can’t separate the group statistics from the individual statistics since the whole point of IQ measuring something is based on its supposed repeatability amongst individuals.
Without internal validity, there is no external validity.
It’s even worse when they try to link it to income.
The truth is that what determines your salary is having skills that you can leverage for a price. In a political economy the factors that affect this are so broad ranging it’s ridiculous to accept iq as a decent correlate. Any correlation is likely to be measuring a confounded.
Furthermore this is mitigated by nepotism, red tape, connections and 10million other factors to the point, this idea of iq determining your success is honestly laughable. Even from a group perspective.
That’s not even getting into the idea of group economics and how that mediates income and provides both supply + demand therefore influencing price.
Don’t try and save IQ, the writing has been on the wall for some time now. This whole malign meant of people with iq less than 85 being useless to society is another idiotic claim.
IQ makes you: smarter, more charismatic, have more connections, have wealthier ancestors, makes your skills more valuable regardless of the economy, makes you more likeable, makes you more attractive, more athletic, more organised, gives you a more stable family background, makes your interested in things that pay well, makes you more confident etc etc
^ this is the nonsense you have to accept to take IQ seriously when it comes to life success.
IQ correlates well with academic success but if it made you richer, your professors would be the richest and happiest people on the planet, ask them if that’s true.
IQ tests gives you a FIXED MIDSET or limits your beliefs.
"oh my iq is low that means I will be forever dumb and fail"
No.. this doesn't determine anything. People with a growth mindset knows this.
The irony is that I have a MENSA level IQ of 150 and I have the exact same problem. I have no marketable skills, I live with my parents, and I don't feel like I amount to much.
It's not an IQ thing, OP, it's just bad luck. I am working on improving myself, it will be okay!
I think the my little pony picture is the problem here
@@user-ew2sz3ez4n um... it's a picture. lmao
@@user-ew2sz3ez4n yeah ur right everything is caused by that single picture
@@kronosthetimewaifu4841 150 and a brony? Kek.
@@StarboyXL9 Indeed: there is a correlation between autism and brony. Apparently it has to do with comfort programming, like something to reduce stress/stimuli.
Thanks Doc. Really needed this for myself. I'm not exactly "stuck" but I'm in a season in life that is challenging me to be more confident in myself. Seeing the negative cycle spelled out was a major reality check.
I watched Jordan Peterson a lot when I was younger and I was so scared about my IQ. I recently decided to say forget all that IQ, whos is bigger stuff and just allow myself to think and screw up. I am a physics major right now and I actually wanted to THINK about the problems instead of worrying about "well if my IQ was higher then I would get this concept more quickly". This approach has helped me tremendously and has allowed me to think about problems in the real world in terms of physics and math! Also if the person who posted this wants to talk about physics or needs some explanation maybe I could help! Thank you Dr. K Love your videos!
I'm not currently studying physics but I do need your help. What helped you let go of that way of thinking? I can't truly enjoy learning how I used to because now instead of fully commiting to learning I'm mostly concentrating on thinking "well if you were smarter you would've already understood this". It's such a conceited and self destructive way of thinking and I just want to get into flow state and savour those "a-ha" moments.
@@bigboypal honestly I kind of thought the whole IQ thing was kind of cringe. Imagine if you saw Einstein gloating about his IQ instead of focusing on fun “thought experiments”. It’s absurd to care about it. I really wanted to learn about what’s going on in this material world. I’m not sure how I did it but that’s my thought process
@@Mercurystars4202 he's pretty reliable on most things I've found, and he's helped me a ton as well. I respect his thoughts on IQ, but he takes it from a different perspective than Dr. K, who I believe is also correct in his analysis in this video.
If you are taking a physics major, chances are your IQ is sufficient to learn at the above average rate. It’s easy for you to suddenly drop your fears about IQ, however IQ is still an important metric and one people don’t want to address because they fear the truth.
super high IQ mathematicians have often proved themselves to be the literal worst math teachers to a point where a random factory worker might do a better job at teaching kids math
Yeah they are different skill sets entirely
the "math" we teach kids has not much to do with "real" Mathematics
Math can't be taught, logic can.
But logic is easy.
Math must be developed and cultivated, and it suffices to apply logic, studying already done proofs is less preferred.
But without solid logic and precise thinking, you'll never understand math.
As someone doing a physics degree, I see this a lot. Some of the smartest professors who have the most impressive research (especially the theoretical physicists) are terrible teachers. Of course, the best teachers tend to be some of the smartest people too, (they're all physics professors after all) but there's shockingly few of them that I would describe as being genuinely good at teaching.
Its because people who have a very high aptitude for understanding a concept will have trouble explaing it to someone who doesn't have that same aptitude. Someone who had to try and fail to understand the concept deeply, will always be better at teaching, I think.
I’m so glad that I found this channel and that the stream gets uploaded here so we can watch it later on, it’s been very helpful!
This was such a good episode man. Really enjoyed your insights on this
Using IQ to measure intelligence is like using bowling scores to measure physical fitness. It narrows our view of what intelligence is and is unhelpful to our sense of worth.
If you put your sense of worth on intelligence, that's more of the concern right there, IQ aside. Intelligent people can do a lot of harm, unintelligent people can do a lot of good. Ignorance or willingness to learn / grow / contribute are far more important.
If not, I find your statement about worth misplaced on the subject of intelligence.
No, it's not. IQ is like using a fitness test to test for fitness. It tests exactly what it claims to
@@SlyNine I would relate IQ tests with the BMI index for weight. It gives a good understanding for most people where they are at, but for a body builder or someone at some extreme, then it's quite poor in its judgement. Unfortunately, we don't have a body fat percentage for IQ that is much more reliable.
@@zexceed9988 It's more reliable than using BMI. It just turns out that being intelligent is not the most important thing in the world, probably surpassed by ability for self-discipline and social intelligence. But with all this computer stuff that's taking over more and more of modern life, intelligence is becoming more important every year. Interesting thing is that as the quality of AI improves as a support tool for intellectual tasks, raw intelligence may start becoming less important again.
But if you're trying to be a theoretical physicist, you're gonna have a rough time if your IQ is actually below 115. But how many people become theoretical physicists?
@@SlyNine have you ever seen IQ tests? most of them test for different things, which is why the bowling analogy is accurate
if you think all IQ tests work the same and give accurate results youre either a child, ignorant or both. plus plenty of studies have shown that depending on the test, many external factors like race and socio economic class have huge impacts on the results, like 10 point differences, which is huge
I took an IQ test twice, at different ages, and my two results were the opposite of each other. Around a 40-point-difference, one super homogeneous on every item, and the other with some very low and some high score. I first believed I was completely inadequate at life
Don't base your value as a human being or your possibilities in life on this test, your score can vary so much depending on so many variables like depression, stress, mood, your psychologist, if you're tired,... There are days you have your full cognitive capacities, and days you haven't, and it's ok. Don't expect, just try, and you will see if you can do it or not
If you lack sleep or are high in anxiety/stress you score way lower than you really are, and I have sleep problems, and knowing a test is coming makes me anxious and creates more problems with sleep, so I can never take the test and get a completely accurate result because I have life long sleep problems.
How did you many such an extreme difference? I did the test twice aswell and the difference between the 2 scores was 6
Either you're lying or are a huge exception. I hope people reading this junk realizes IQ has been tested over and over since the 30s. Whatever criticism you have of it has likely been tested 30 times already and found wanting.
@@Kvh47 I don't know, probably a difference in my anxiety and depression levels among years. I took the WISC V being a teen and the WAIS IV being a young adult, which have the same scale, but with different (neuro)psychologists. There are a lot of questions about general culture in these tests, and I used to read more after than before the first test, maybe it could change something ? I don't know
@SlyNine sure you're right, but my psychologist and I taking the test in his office can't find the same result as the average result of hundreds of takes supervised by scientists. I'm sure it works and it's a useful tool, but one shouldn't base his life on a result depending on so many other factors than the proven reliability of the test
IQ differences (swings of 20+) have been observed in individuals young enough for brain development to still be occurring, so that may account for some of it. The older you get the more stable it gets. I'd agree on not basing your life on things like an IQ test, or even your intelligence if you believe an IQ test is a true measurement of intelligence. IQ is the ease of acquiring and using information, however, I'd argue that as long as you're not extraordinarily low, your effort can outweigh the lower IQ. You simply have a disadvantage to start, but it's not an insurmountable one.
I can relate in some aspects to OP. It was relatively recent pointed out to me-at a very low point in my life, which I’m still grappling to get up from-that I clearly exhibit signs of undiagnosed adult ADHD. It explained so many things that I find parallel to OP’s experience and perception of self, although I have never taken any IQ test, and if I can go through the rest of my life without knowing then I’d like to keep it that way.
Feelings of inadequacy, feeling like you’re the most stupid person in the room, feeling like you don’t have any set of skills or traits for success, feeling incompetent in the execution of simple tasks, daily struggles with low self esteem and low confidence and low motivation, etc. All of those feelings slowly and progressively ate away at my existence, for almost 3 decades. Learning the intricacies of your own neurodivergency is life saving. Taking other tests or assessments to perhaps find the root of what might be categorized as low IQ might be the catalyst that finally helps point you on the right path, even if you took the “scenic route” 👍🏽
this video helped me understand why i procrastinate so much (fear of failure) and where that fear comes from. thanks dr k!
Loving this kind of content!
Its nice that you are doing informational content and not just interviews.
I love your videos man, very uplifting and strangely comforting
I have IQ of 85 and in top 7% at Law School. The difference is that it takes me 12h to get the same grade as someone who studied for 3h
Nice to hear. I guess my curiosity though based on what you said is around how you'll be able to perform at your Law-related job (once you get hired) with time sensitive tasks?
@@itoldyounottotouchit3336 that’s a good question. I won’t take the bar exam so I believe I’ll just have a regular office job, not law-related.
@@maj3732 So........ What are u doing now?
@@jigsaw4253 I’m wrtiting my master thesis and I’m looking for a job :)
I once spent a year trying to teach a fella how to pack bread efficiently. Bakery regimes, although simple, are extremely time sensitive. When training a new worker it usually takes about two weeks to understand optimal workflow.
This guy never got it. Every week I'd have to go over the absolute basics, show him the simple tricks, coach him slowly and let him figure it out on his own. Nothing worked.
It was depressing because he wanted to learn. He was a keen happy guy. Just literally couldn't comprehend the concepts.
That's a real IQ issue. I don't know what that guy can do in the working world.
Was his name Charlie Gordon?
I appreciate you and this channel man. For helping me and friends at least understand these cycles better. Thank you for your work n this channel.
Good perspective and good advice. Love it.
I scored 130ish on my iq decades ago but my parents still treated me like the OP. So it's not necessarily iq that holds a person back but the toxic and insidious mentality parents can drill into your head creating a self fulfilling prophecy.
I still hear the echoes of my parents in the back of my mind telling me I'm a failure and I'll never amount to anything. BUT I've had to learn to ignore them and move on. It's still hard now but it can be overcome with time and a healing community around you. Even when you know you're right, there's that nagging feeling like you're going to screw everything up.
IQ is the best predictor of career success, academic success and health. While I know that correlation doesn't equal causation, it does seem to play an important role in almost every aspect of our lives. While other traits such as a healthy work ethic and intrinsic motivation are important, intelligence is the moderator if not in some cases even the mediator of the resulting degree of success.
Even if I heard that so many times, I don't believe that.
I never did an IQ test, but I don't think it is higher than average. I think it is around 100.
But still, I did my further education, work as a Junior Cyber Security Engineer, speak 3 languages (German (mothertongue), English (C1 - did a Cambridge Advanced Exam), and Japanese (about A2 - got the JLPT N4).
But I do a lot for it. Okay, English was almost only through osmosis, but English is very similar to German, so the sentences do have the same structur ect. I studied my ass off for the further education - because I'm scared of such important exams and I want to be overprepared to feel okay. I studied a lot for Japanese, to get there where I am now.
I did an apprenticeship as a Baker and loved the job. It was my dreamjob - but I'm not allowed to do it anymore (kneeproblems). I switched to the IT field and work now in the IT Sec field, which I love as well.
I mean I do want to do a second further education (which does have the same level as a master), and I do want to do the CISSP as well.
But I write so many things down at work, to remember what I did, or how things work. But then I know where I can have a look and get how it works xD
I do figure skating as well, and I do have to learn more than others have to, to get it, how I have to do it xD I do not have a good body feeling - so I need to do the steps more often than others. That's okay :)
Why are so many parents psychologically abusive to their kids? I all of a sudden cherish my childhood; even though I was relentlessly bullied, it was never from my parents.
By the chance that the person that wrote this sees this; I used to feel this way too where I thought I was doomed to fail everything and had no talents etc and I thought death was the only road. What turned it around was that I started to ask myself that if my body and life was a buisness how would I save it from bankruptcy? I had to fire the manager of my mind that ran the negative narrative in my head and hire a better one, I had to eat better nutrition to invest in better efficiency and outcome, I had to not overwork to use my resources more wisely, and educate myself in skills that benefitted my long term success emotionally and physically so that I wouldn't feel ruined all the time. It didn't take skill or talent, just adjustments and investments.
Thank you, what you said was insightful.
I work as a counsellor and also work as a support worker. I usually tell people who have been tested as below average IQ that its just a stupid test and it was originally designed to help teachers improve how they teach students. Plenty of my clients test low on IQ and complete degrees, get good jobs and have happy lives. Really IQ is just another label.
90-100 IQ won't serve me much, as I feel society is getting more cognitively complex. I feel fucked in so many. I know it shouldn't hold me back, but it does. It's a mental block in my head. Growing up in school I was in the resource classes, and I think that scared me to this day.
Cope. If you have a sub100 IQ, you’re limited to menial jobs. Sorry, not sorry.
The worst part about existing is that we don't get to choose anything about ourselves, we're just arbitrarily born with whatever abilities and/or disabilities we have and we're forced to deal with them.
Based on one test, which may or not have been accurate or mistaken he has let his whole life be defined and ruined. Without that IQ test I don't think he thinks as lowly of himself but based on his parents and whatnot he may be prone to this type of thinking anyway.
Success in life really is making enough to live a lifestyle you can be comfortable with while still having enough excess money to ensure that your needs will always be met. Meaningful on the other hand is a much harder question to answer.
There is no point in having a successful life if it's not also meaningful. From a evolutionary psychological standpoint what gives us meaning is *contributing to a tribe* This can be a soccer team, a team of researchers, a rockband, a business team. Anywhere where you as an individual is contributing to a greater whole and where every other member of this tribe recognizes and acknowledges your contribution and letting you know that without you the team would not function, that's a basic recipe for getting a meaning out of a life. If this thing is something that speaks to your talents that will feel even more meaningful.
Through the history of humanity we always were in teams, first as hunters/gatherers, then as farmers, craftsmen. It's over the last hundred years a new idea has taken hold. The idea that meaning comes from personal achievement, as established this is only half-right, the other half, contributing to a tribe is slowly going away. Today we're all told we'll be special individuals that are unique, well that's just not true. Most of us are roughly the same when boiling things down to it. Problem is too many people are convinced that being part of a team working closely together with co-workers that you care for and that cares for you is a competition. Well, not true either. The hunting teams where never about who brought down the biggest game. It was how much the team together could muster and bring back to the females. So many people would be so much more happy in their life if they got to be part of a tribe where you actually looked after each other. It's not normal in any way to work closely with people and then go live in a box all by yourself, like Johan Hari says, our brains interpret this way of living as being thrown out of the tribe.
This guy's IQ maybe will make it harder to achieve things he's told will bring him meaning (but most probably won't), but what he and so many others needs to hear is that becoming this "perfect individual" will not give your life meaning, finding your tribe and contributing to it will give him meaning. Problem is few people are looking for this, most of us run around trying to become the perfect individual not realizing what we need is all around us, we just won't connect.
there are different facets of meaning, and many formulation attempts like self determination theory often include relatedness/belonging/community. maybe you're simply highlighting its importance and by association the dire consequences of lonelyness/isolation/touch starvation
Looing at my upper management tells me that intelligence definitely doesn't correlate to high income
Finally a Dr. K topic tailored for me
Something I tell myself very often when my brain tries to tell me I am going to fail at whatever I do, I stop myself and I empty my mind for a second then I ask myself like really loudly inside of my head "but what IF I didnt? WHAT IF I just succeeded?´" and it may also just be "placebo motivation" but it gets me really fired up
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@@Hoppitot copium???
@@liviasilva3333 my mans got a literal COPIUM dispenser in his frontal cortex
I took an i.q test in middle school it said i was at 68 . After that never really tried in school, ended up dropping out of. Highschool. I was always afraid of failing as well. That test sealed the deal for me, i was gonna be a dumbass for the rest of ny life. Time skip ahead, im
In my 30s, making 88k a year as an lpn. Plan on going back for my RN soon. I imagine if i didnt take that test early on, maybe i couldve been a doctor or more. Self doubt is real, stay strong
Thank you for that comment, it was very inspiring 🙂
thank you very inspiring
This world needs excellent plumbers, mechanics, bakers, gardeners, carpenters, farmers, undertakers etc. This world has TONS of great career opportunities for people who are not geared towards an academic education. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with doing a practical job. And a lot of highly intelligent people like doing practical things because it tends to be healthier for your emotional life to do something with your body and hands that you can see when you are finished.
This guy got into college and is studying business. It sounds like he is geared for an academic education if he got this far. Because regardless of your IQ, your academic performance often has more to do with your study habits, and the effort you put in, not with how smart you are. Success in university/college can also require interpersonal skills. Building relationships/connections with teachers and peers can get you a lot of bonuses, like being part of a study group, a senior's study guide or old exam, or connections to industry.
I'm not sure if IQ tests still use the pattern searching problems, but those are the worst, least objective measurement there is for intelligence.
I'm study math, so patterns and such are a big thing in this field.
Believe me when I say that there are often simpler patterns in those question than the "correct" one, and those patterns emerge accidentally when the test is constructed. So the test becomes more of a "How similar is your brain to the test maker's" test than and intelligence test.
And it could be argued that finding a more complicated patterns is a sign of being more intelligent/able to think outside of the box.
It could also be argued that finding no pattern is a sign of being more thorough and rigorous.
If anyone's curious I'll give a few examples :)
You know what, I always thought that was true. I always find multiple patterns in IQ tests and thought that it was stupud that one specific pattern is more correct than the ones I saw first.
Omg I once came out of an "abstract reasoning" test which had pattern completion questions thinking I'd scored 100% and it turned out I'd done terribly. I was devastated because literally each question I put a lot of thought into and had that awesome sense of accomplishment thinking I'd found the pattern and was very proud of myself. I've not taken a formal IQ test that I'm aware of the results for - although I know as a young kid I was tested and scored just shy of "gifted". I graduated with a 92.10 ATAR (in australia that basically means I was in the 92nd percentile so i did as well as or better than 92.1% of people who graduated the same year as me) despite not studying for my exams and doing everything last minute. I also was diagnosed with ADHD in year 12, which explained a lot of the seemingly strange things I'd struggled with up to that point.
Now I know this could sound bitter but I honestly believe that I did find patterns that worked when I did that abstract reasoning test, they just mustn't have been the "correct" patterns to find. Test scores can be useful indicators for specific purposes but I'm someone who's had an interesting mix of academic failures but also academic achievement. If I spent my life judging myself on the failures (i failed math in the 11th grade despite being in high level math classes leading up to that, and i once failed an english test in primary school because i wasted the entire test time trying to come up with names for the characters in my story) I could easily come to the conclusion that I'm just stupid and doomed to failure but I also have plenty of evidence to the contrary. Maybe I am just awful at pattern recognition, and am delusional in thinking my answers made sense. But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter? My happiness has never come from academic achievement or prestige. It has always come from radical acceptance of myself and of outcomes.
Anyway, glad someone else has a problem with the pattern recognition tests too lmao
For pattern searching problems, often, the most elegant answer (requering the least set of abstract ‘rules’) is the right answer. Hardly, an inate ability though.
After I started playing chess I took my second IQ test, and solved even their most difficult puzzles with ease. Greatly contrasting my performance on the previous test, which was slightly above average. It felt so gimmicky since I naturally ( due to chess habits) started moving the abstract pieces across the paper, landing me an inflated score IMO.
@@outsidethewall8488 Thanks for the reply :)
I'd just like to give a little piece of advice: when it comes to receiving test results, you would be better off attributing "failures" and "successes" to your actions, rather than your nature. Failing doesn't make you stupid, it means the way you went at it should've been better.
Sorry if I misunderstood your anecdote but it felt to me that it could help you a bit in life to have this :)
And yeah abstract reasoning sounds like a super hard to test subject, at least in math you can defend your reasoning.
And I'm really glad my comment could make you feel less alone!
@@jansteen4911 "Often" is the key term. That's why IQ is useful for groups, but not for individuals. And I'd argue it's quite subjective, as more elegant rules can exist without the test-maker's knowledge
In my school days, I always had problems staying focused, studying, and having good grades, my sister, on the other hand, had straight A's, and was into sports, etc. a perfect child...
the twist is that later in life I had an IQ test and even the woman testing me was surprised, my score was in the 130s, while my sister has, what I and my mom think is, undiagnosed autism, she still needs help picking up clothes, cooking, understanding what is going on in a movie, reading the mood, conversation, and social cues in general.
but we both have jobs, finished college and even some extra education, our IQ never mattered during our lives.
even if I meet people who are both high or low IQs I don't give an advantage to either one of them, it is a weird social complex that someone can do better or worse in life, based on how fast they can solve a puzzle.
I never took an IQ test because ive always been told that i am smarter than average and i dont want my illusion to be destroyed and in turn, have the nocebo effect actually make me dumber. Is that a possibility?
Maybe, but the problem seems to be that you measure your intelligence in comparison to others
@@eno3792 Sadly thats the world we live in, we arent alone, And comparing yourself to others is literally one of the reasons we got as far as we did in our evolution. We watch others, and copy.
And if we aren't like others, we are basically alone.
I never understood how you cant compare yourself to others. i just never could. The only people who say that are people who got everything above average.
Just like Handsome and Beautiful people always love to say "Beauty comes from within" yeah, easy to say if your beautiful.
Just like "dont compare yourself" , easy to say when anytime you compare yourself to others you come out on top :/ (not making assumptions about you in perticular, just in general)
if your accomplishments already speak for your intelligence then you need not worry, my friend.
I might even retake an IQ test, just to test this out lol, I got a 120 when I was 10, I'm like 18 now lol.
@@l-b01josefandres44 ah, so i do need to worry, lol
There is absolutely zero chance that a person who is able to come up with that kind of a post with mostly correct grammar and everything is 80 iq. Nor would he be in college either.
Or being in college and writing a good post simply aren‘t impossible with an iq of 80
I don't think you really understand how IQ works, having 80 IQ doesn't mean you can't do basic tasks. I have known a person with around 65 IQ and diagnosed mental handicap, and such people absolutely can do tasks once they learn them, but learning new things can be difficult. That person may have learned to write posts like these, but it doesn't mean they would do well at writing other kinds of messages.
@@Muscaplays You can't even join the military with that iq
@@Wumbo85 Hm, I find that unlikely, when I have seen his quotes or him speak he didn't strike me as particularly unintelligent, that would be below the black average of 85. But that's possible, maybe he lacked education, when you get education you can raise your IQ score, that is why the Flynn effect exists, but then eventually you will hit your limit that is largely determined by genetics, that is why the reverse Flynn effect exists.
@UCnfkN3x2WNU6nwTAMe98WbA Wow, youtube has blocked me from saying "ℓуnn-flуnn effect" haha
Wtf?!?! Hearing that message nearly made me break down sobbing. What the ever loving hell were his parents, the ones meant to give him direction and guidance in life, thinking constantly reinforcing the thought that he isn’t as intelligent (basically not as good or worthy) as other people his age? And DO NOT get me started with that counselor! They should be fired asap because they are doing the exact opposite of their entire purpose of being a counselor. I’m livid. There isn’t just one type of intelligence. Everyone has something that they are suited to. I wish someone had just simply said that to him. I’m so glad he’s still with us and I wish the absolute best for him ♥️
I got a bit heated. My above opinions are based on the assumption that everything he wrote was true. If it is all 100% true, I didn’t want to minimize his difficult experiences in life. No matter what the truth is, you, the writer, have inherent value. You just don’t fit into the tiny cookie cutter box society has created. But thinking outside the box is far more valuable in my opinion. You have a different perspective on life and different perspectives are vital for progress and growth. You are needed in this world so don’t leave us behind without showing us what you’re truly made of❣️
Have you made a video on the nocebo and ways to work on correcting that? Is it a situation where you have to try repeatedly until you succeed or are there ways to adjust your mentality to help you succeed?
The parents putting them down constantly will be more of a ball and chain on their life than the IQ ever will be. Surround yourself with people who value you, my friends.
This is literally why I never took/take IQ/Personality tests, better to not know and focus on who I am than to worry about what ifs.
As someone with a group of friends at the very top of the spectrum who are also struggling to move out of their parents' houses, this is fascinating.
There was this one story I saw on YT shorts one day, it was about a guy who got sent the wrong test score on a big test for like college or high school idk. He was so surprised when he got that test score, instead of wasting his time like he did before, he started to get good grades. He ended up being super successful after he finished his education and then he finally got the email that his test score was wrong.
finally some1 else talks about this topic other than jordan peterson, more people should address this issue its pretty interesting for example are there actually any "low iq" people who are very successful in life?
people need to stop saying you can do anything you want to their kids bc that's complete bs
Dr K, bless your beautiful and professional soul, you have no idea how bad some therapists are out there 😣 I was judged and yelled at by a psychiatrist for not having religious beliefs. But the good ones are out there! I didn’t give up and found an amazing, compassionate therapist who’s been lifting me up and kindly helping me towards a better life!
I've been practicing my critical thinking and reading logic books. I'm learning game theory. I'm trying to think critical all the time, about many things, as well as plan ahead and think ahead. It's exhausting but a habit I'm trying to develop. It'll get easier with time the more I do it and depend on it. I have a low-average IQ of 94, but I don't think natural aptitude determines who you can become. I have the potential I have and I can maximize it. A number on a test can't properly quantify intelligence anyway, just be an indicator of it.
Guys, please don't pay too much attention to your IQ. All my life I've been sorrounded by people smarter or much smarter than me. I've struggled during high school in math and physics. I'm almost always the "slowest" one to understand the rules in a new boardgame and so on and so forth.
Yet, my career is going amazingly good (I'm a Digital Marketing Consultant). I make 3 times the money that most of my friends make, I'm healthy (I go to the gym, I eat properly) and recently the girls started noticing me quite a lot.
The hardest thing to do is to find meaning in what you do, but once you find it you become unstoppable. I know it sounds cheesy but that's what worked for me. Have a nice one!
well well well, something that I can relate to, finally
This one was good!
We all need a Dr.K in our lives
My iq came out as exactly 100, so average as they come. Its weird af but also liberating because i have about exactly the amount of habilities needed for most things so i can do most everything that i want, maybe even excel if i apply myself. Also its funny af, its like neutral response up in my noggin
Heyyy your picture is from Gone With the Blastwave isn't it? I used to hang out on the official forums.
I'm so jealous :'(
Bro I work construction and I’ve met some guys who can barely tie their shoes or count to 20. They support themselves and their family reasonably. My advice would be to get into commercial construction. You’d be surprised how little you have to perform to be better than the next guy.
I can’t tie my shoes unironically and my iq is higher than anyone you’ve ever met boy; conscientiousness is a thing.
I’d outperform you on any math test or rizz or some sort of complex cognitive task, don’t disrespect people who can’t tie their shoes.
Btw I was trolling. I can’t tie my shoelaces and I am cognitively superior but the comments were mean. Adieu.
I have a question about nocebo: I understand that feeling like you're going to fail leads to failure, but now do I not feel that? All the rationalising and intellectualising of the nocebo effect is not gonna change feeling like a failure.
actually so good
Imagine my dismay, as a spry, impressionable adolescent, upon receiving an IQ score of -6.9! With a score over 7 standard deviations below mean intelligence, it's unlikely a greater fool has ever been or ever will be. That singular, dreadful epiphany elucidated my myriad failures; a silver moonbeam had illuminated the night's lurid and disconsolate reality. I glimpsed a future in which I had failed my childhood ambition to carry the mantle of my heroes: to realize the towering visions of Grothendieck, Atiyah, and Langlands.... The only thing left to do was to resign, to relinquish my hubris, and to wallow in my ignominious stupidity, cursing fate for making me many times dumber than von Neumann was smart. Now, I can't even operate a toilet flusher without copious assistance. O, woe is me, for the child of my youth hath died. So it goes.
I can't believe people still take the IQ test seriously. Even worse people that take it and get a score put themselves into a category of "smart" or "stupid".
If a person who is very WISE, has a lot of experience in life, knows a lot of essential skills but scores low on a IQ test, does it mean that the person is stupid? That test doesn't determine shit!
@@HideorEscape Exactly. But people who are wise and have skills take the test and may score low then continue on to think that they are stupid, which is just not true.
Richard Feynman had a reported score of 125, or something similar. He also made contributions to physics and had Einstein at one of his lectures.
People argue that he either "threw" the exam or that IQ really doesn't measure what specialists think it measures.
@@cgme9535 It's weird to see people who are considered to be once-in-a-millenia brilliant portrayed as average like that.
That said, seeing how many other of these supposedly rare minds were active within a single century, having the prerequisites to find that kind of success might not be as difficult as some elitists make it out to be.
Dude congrats on the first thumbnail that doesn't scream narcissism
Legit not trolling I love it man keep it up!!!!
This is the kind of topic from Dr.K i don't feel aimed at by cuz i got big brain so i just came here to relax.
Yes it does, it holds me back from understanding Rick and Morty
Personally, I think success and meaning is all internal. Someone can find success and meaning just by being a cog in the wheel of society that helps keep the whole machine working. Someone can feel unsuccessful after a career of astrophysics because they never made any groundbreaking discoveries or theories. Shoot, someone can feel unsuccessful even though they DID make groundbreaking discoveries. It's all in your head. The trick is finding out how to *feel* success and meaning
Being aware in society can likely shape the definition of success. Being a blue collared worker may trigger typically cold reactions from people from the people you interact. Just being in society means you have to communicate in some way and this can affect our mind. Income level, health, IQ may be indicators of success but not necessarily the case though.
Regarding the nocebo / placebo effect, do these attitudes somehow skew the reported efficacy rate? For example, a person undergoing physical therapy believing it will work ends up pretending there is no pain, where there is pain, and it ends up being misreported, and they regret it later? Whereas a person who doesn't believe physical therapy will fully cure them, might report more pain than they actually experience. Even something like pain can be difficult to accurately report. A person might answer "I don't feel any pain" because they don't feel any pain at the moment they are answering the question, and forgetting that a few days ago they were hurting.
I want a job as a fucin baker at Costco. Dude or dudet isn''t quitting though. You know how much they make from raises after at least maybe after 10-ish years. AT LEAST 27 an hour. I've got a cashier job. I also make drinks and get orders together and yell out order numbers at fast-food place and I want them to just have me do that and not cashier because the 100 dollars that was supposed to be all in the drawer was minus that amount by almost 5 dollars near end of shift recently and boss tells me if it happens again I'll get a written warning. I didn't take money out of the drawer and I told her I didn't steal it. There's NO security camera for her or the man and women owners to look at to do a THOROUGH investigation. Wouldn't be an issue if people always paid with a bank card/credit card. WTF!
My IQ for the traditional test was a bit below average while my test for the progressive matrix was in the 120s
Idk man. I can’t do those simple tasks either, and I have a hard time focusing in addition to working slow.
That’s why I went into a technical field where I can work at home and focus on linear skill sets. I even dropped out of college and studied on my own. There’s a difference path for everyone
"Traditional" tests are shit, because they may depend on learned knowledge.
I have a significantly high IQ and I'm not at all successful in anything, but seriously people fail to understand what IQ really is and create a false idealization of what it really is. It's simply your ability to process information and that's it... I can't tell you how many people have a lower IQ than me and actually are smarter than me because they went to college and gathered far more knowledge than i.
I love this channel.
Hey Dr k, great video! Random question but I'm curious, what sort of tablet do you use for writing down your notes on the computer?
I am doomed because of my inability to socialize.
That is a learned skill. The trouble is finding a place to practice where there aren't consequences for making mistakes while you learn.
I did Raven's Progressive Matrices IQ test when I was around 18 under supervision of my psychotherapist at that time, I was severely depressed then and I scored 100%. Besides that I also was constantly being told by my teachers and parents that I am way above average. I never learned to actually study and work hard, since everything was so easy most of the time. I even graduated university with biotechnology degree without much of studying. And I can tell you 8 years later after the Raven's test I wish I was "dumber" like many of successful peers I know. I am still doing realtively okay due to my focus on psychotherapy, but I would love so much to be more, dunno, simple, hence having had to work hard since the beginning.
I have only watched the first few minutes and I already think the poster has much more potential than they fear.
Mannnn this is really interesting
I have an IQ of 134 - Genius on some charts. But my public school grades were around C+, (average.) My resume is a mile long because I've never been able to KEEP a job. I am SOCIALLY "retarded" (that means "slow" - a technically accurate term). Everybody say's I "appear perfectly normal," but I am an Autistic. I suffer from anxiety, depression and C-PTSD because I've been so punished for being different and smarter. Success and self-worth isn't money, family, fame, career, or whatever; its contentment and happiness. And TODAY I would trade my IQ to be as dumb as a brick... if it brought me happiness. You've just got to learn to ignore all the importance the world puts on labels and THEIR goals, and just find what makes YOU HAPPY.
...and I loved where Dr. K laughs at his own similar situation. You are always required to be better than what THEY perceive to be your impossible. Ignore them and find what makes you happy.
You are absolutely right and I strongly agree! I found your comment to be inspirational and educational as well! Best comment I ever read and you made my day better! :D
134 isn’t even the 99th percentile. It’s not ‘genius’
On what charts? Genius as a term hasn’t been used for IQ testing for like half a century.
6ft 5 might get you girls but…there’s always a 6ft 11 somali lurking
IQ is a scam, end of story. I scored very high on official mensa test, but I bombed on a test when I was applying for a certain job position.
On mensa test every question was just about fitting the right image into a sequence and they gave me a huge amount of time to solve it. However there are many different tests where you have to work not only with images, but also with numbers and words. Some of these tests have very tight time limits where you have to work really fast, yet other tests will give you a lot of time to solve the problem and don't take into consideration how fast you are working. All of them are official and yet these tests are all different.
If you gave me one of those tests where you have to work with numbers and words and gave me small amount of time, then I would get 80 easily. It's fucking bullshit.
Its kind of different types of intelligence
@@AEONIC_MUSIC It's different, yet all of these tests will give you a number in the end which has the same weight as all the other tests. It doesn't make sense.
@@Hejhouyou Just because you get a number doesn't mean it is the end all be all. The subscales also matter.
Also, what Dr K mentions in the video could happen here. You think they don't work, therefore they don't. I could score terrible on an IQ test if I wanted to. Perhaps you were nervous and screwed up on the job interview one. Also, the job interview was in all likelihood not a real IQ test if it wasn't administered by a psychologist or something similar.
Lastly, nobody says IQ is a perfect measurement. I remember something like 50% of the variation in IQ scores from multiple tests is from environmental factors like not getting sleep.
I have a relatively low IQ... I was once tested in the "low average" range. Granted, I'm Autistic and IQ tests aren't exactly suitable or reliable for a lot of Autistics. But then you hear about the genius-level IQ Autistics, and I wonder why I can't be one of those. I've always regarded myself as an intellectual, as have so many of those around me, and I'm always learning new things. I know that I was severely anxious during the test. The reason for testing was so that I could be properly granted an IEP for Home Bound schooling, and though I have no recollection of ever having taken an IQ test prior to this particular instance, something about this test seemed familar to me, as though I'd encountered it somewhere before, perhaps through something I'd read. And it felt so much like a violation, like something I absolutely needed to resist, and yet I was told it was part of the procedure for receiving an IEP and that I had to complete it. I broke down a few times during the test, and had nearly given up, though eventually I completed it. And this was an abbreviated test -- I couldn't imagine sitting there through the actual lengthy and tedious version. I really don't even know for sure if the score I received was anything close to accurate, though upon receiving my results, I had been thoroughly perturbed by it, and this required me to have to call into question something I'd once thought to be an indubitable fact, that I was intelligent.... I've suffered from near-crippling self-doubt ever since.
A definition of IQ testing that sat better with me was "When provided with information or data, it is ones ability to interpret it and discern what can then be said to be true" I believe IQ plays a valuable role when it comes to diagnosing intellectual disabilities, as well as giftedness (Which in some cases is accompanied by an intellectual disability, making the individual twice exceptional). However, since IQ boils down to the ability to take data, and utilise it, the lower an individuals IQ, the more the data needs to be synthesised before any conclusions can be drawn. Then conversely, the higher an individuals IQ, the more raw the data can be. Intuition tends to be more profound at this stage, as the the need for conscious rumination becomes less and less.
I mean, even saying that "getting your financial needs met" is not necessarily correlated with IQ. I'm aware this is a sample size of 1, but my IQ at school was around 125, and I've worked minimum wage jobs all my life and live at my mum's.
Income is correlated with iq but not that much
@@AEONIC_MUSIC I thought it correlates very strongly? I don't know of any other indicators that are as reliable. (relatively)
"The numbers suggest that IQ scores are directly related to both income and wealth. Comparing individuals in the bottom of the IQ score distribution to those in the highest shows their net worth is over twenty three times lower, while their income is 3.6 times lower."
@@hypnogri5457 ikr.
I have taken three mensa practice tests at three different points in my life (the kind that are freely available online for before you take an actual test) and scored 132, 126, and 115. Then I took a Stanford Binet at university and scored 141, so I wouldn't give much credence to these tests. I have met people who, undoubtedly, wouldn't have scored as highly as me - at least as highly as on the last test - that I perceive as more intelligent, in a multidimensional sense of the word: they can get shit done, partition their time better, stay motivated for long periods of time, and have healthier social lives. Now, if these people scoring lower than me makes them less intelligent, then either the methodology of the test is flawed, or intelligence is a basically irrelevant factor in life.
Investment banking sounds like my role as a data analyst - models and visualisation .. shoot me
This breaks my heart man :(
Having a high IQ does not help you either.. I know two people that are in the 2% and they can tell about amazing clever people who works in the supermarket, who are super mentally ill, who cant put on clothes in the morning, who cant have a convasation with other people, who cant read faceses or emotions.
Most of them never learned do study or how to deal with failure/dissapointment bc they werent challenged when growing up.
Everyone expect big tings from them and se them as people who cant be wrong or do wrong.
So I dont think a high IQ helps you besides in school or the education you choose.
We all need to look for a purpuse in life, set some goals both small and big ones, and enjoy hobbies whatever it might be.
Also, try something new once in a while, youd be surprised by what you enjoy doing.
I myself is a creative person, I have always been "dumb" as I had a hard time learning in school, but I found out that I enjoy learning history, math and launguage. I would only play games like sims but now I also enjoy stellaris (never tought i would be able to play such game) and I play RPGs where im not afraid of dying anymore. I hate food, but I kinda like to make food and I enjoy it more when I have done it myself.
I also found out that I would like to make a podcast or be a puplic speaker even tho I have mad social anxiety and saw myself as a super introverted person 🤷♀️
High IQ or not, we are all humans, and we need to do things that make us happy, ofc be realistic about it but I see no harm in trying to get that education or that job or to settle in another field and do something else youd like. I just scrabbed my dreams of getting a high education as it would take me near 8 years to get there, im 26 and I want to help earning monney so we can get the things we dream of, and thats okay, I can work on my art or a podcast on the side of my job in a store, and who knows i might become the boss one day ;)
Hey fam! Excited to see a lecture on a topic I know a lot about. I work as a psychometrist, so I basically give IQ tests on the daily. First of all, IQ tests are very valid and tend to be very stable over time. That being said, mood and anxiety can ONE MILLION PERCENT affect your score. If you’re working with a good psychometrist, it should only affect it a little bit as they work to help you do your best. Also, 80 is in the “low average” range. That’s not “below average” or a concerning range. It’s still within the realm of average intellect. Second, one should never get just an IQ test. It’s like using your blood pressure as the only measurement for your physical health. If you want a full understanding of your cognitive capacity, the psychologist should also calculate your General Ability Index and Cognitive Proficiency Index as well as measuring memory, executive function, attention, visual processing, auditory processing….
How does someone increase their IQ? Is it possible to increase your fluid intelligence?
@@Andrew-ez9ft it's not possible. You can exercise and get more oxygen to stave off the decline.
how much does it cost?
@@Andrew-ez9ft Yes. Don't listen to the guy who told you otherwise. Studies show that u can just practice the IQ test questions and then increase ur score that way. Also I heard that there is a correlation from SAT and IQ. I started off with a 1400/2400 and with hard work, I got a 2050 on the actual test. My family told me I am a mutation in the family bc of my low score, but I ended up getting a higher final score than my other cousins who always told me I'm stupid. They might have started with a higher starting score than me, but it's not like colleges will choose you based off of potential lol
I totally get what this person is feeling. I have a book suggestion. It is called "Release Your Brakes" by James Newman. I highly recommend to give this book a read over at least once.
Allegedly my IQ is above average, about 121, but I'm not particularly successful in life. I suspect I have ADHD and it's made all my long term plans very hard to stick to my whole life. I just literally can't do things I don't care about at all. My intellect makes things easy... But only when I manage to do it in the first place. Mostly I just move about doing stuff I care about here and there but that's not the road to success. I have a Master's degree but only because I finally found a field I'm very interested in. I have learned to accept that this is who I am and I don't have any great potential to realize. I'm doing the best I can with what I've got and I'm doing OK. The lesson of the story is that IQ is not even half the story.
I have high IQ but zero emotional stability. I think Chewbacca holds me back
I disagree, as a child I took a test and got 84, then my educator straight up told me I would not achieve what I want in my field, and I didn't. Despite all my best efforts I failed every single exam which to this day means I can't go for many jobs. So iq and birth luck is everything and all there is to life, hard work has nothing to do with it. In the same way you can't be a driver without eyes, you can't get meaningful work or accomplish anything without a functioning brain. Or do you want 80iq morons to try become surgeons? Because "you can be anything" Do you want Vanilla Ice to keep making shitty music?
The sooner we accept reality and the failure of the human condition, the better. A hopeful lie is far more destructive than a negative one.
You'll never achieve what you want if you don't believe in yourself. Just ignore the stupid test and go achieve what you want to achieve. The only person holding you back is you. I have met a number of special needs people ("slow learners", my brother is one), deaf people (my cousin is deaf), people missing limbs (my aunt had her leg amputated), etc. who have exceptionally functional and happy lives. You need to support yourself primarily, and preferably also find a few close friends to support you as well. If you've mostly had people telling you you'll fail, you'll start to believe that. DOn't believe it. You can succeed despite the shitty hand of cards you were dealt, but you have to believe it and focus on it and be strategic with your efforts.
@@dandymcgee I can't ignore it, like I wrote because of my poor exam results it will be extremely difficult to find employment. I don't know why the fuck tests taken at age 15 decide the rest of your work life but that's how it is. I have nothing to put on a cv.
It's pretty depressing for me that my life is extremely similar (i'm not in college and there's a lot i shit i can't do, i still remember when i was 8 or 9 when i got misdiagnosed as having mild retardation even though i don't have that i have Asperger's)
The part about teaching a thing that is easy for u is exactly why when people try to learn a language are better of learing from a person for which it isn't they mother tounge (or whatever u want to call it) because they will unintentionally leave parts out because they are obvious to them and its hard to get the perspective of the person trying to learn it.
Never thought that I could relate to someone with a low IQ. At least he is aware of his problems and wants to do something about it.
I see a lot of people around me just get married and have children, ruin the children and split up. Because they think getting kids will magically give them fulfillment.
Kudos for this person trying to find actual purpose and fulfillment.
And a big reason why people think having kids will magically give them fulfillment - is because society flat-out TELLS them this will happen. Quite explicitly, I might add. If society didn't push those messages so hard, a person would be no more likely to believe that kids will magically give them fulfillment than to believe that alcohol or her0in or any other addictive substance will solve all their problems.
Why wouldn’t you have been able to relate to a low iq person? We’re all people
You don't know if someone with an IQ of 70 can be a physicist? I think you do know.
I've read too many accounts of even psychiatrists saying outrageous things (in these cases to people with ADHD, such as that they supposedly can't have it because they're "too smart"). Giving that psychologist the benefit of the doubt is like giving a teacher or policeman the benefit of the doubt, simply for the reason that them doing things they shouldn't would mean that they're terrible at their job.
What's worse, openly doubting this account and kind of insinuation-shifting the blame to the person who's bringing it forth via psychoanalysis is incredibly invalidating, especially for someone who's very likely been the victim of *terrible* malpractice at a very young age.
You're getting a lot of things right, Dr. K, but this wasn't a good moment. =\
Plenty of people with very high IQs have the very same problem; and it can be harder for them to face like a maze with as many corridors as they can think up.
The comparison thing is heavy true. Comparison can be the key to misery.
Comparing with yourself is ok. Sometimes I compare against standards like minimum wage as just being in society it's required to be aware.