CORRECTION TO PROCEDURE: When using the 10002-00101 adjustable level gauge, use the BOTTOM of the moveable collar rather than the top to set the proper height measurement. The height is different for each vehicle, so be sure to look up the specification for your vehicle.
WeberAuto thanks. First time I have heard of the tool. Does it give a measurement for the tundra ab60f or is just for the front wheel drives? I found the tool on a Toyota site but it doesn’t give any info. Thanks again
WeberAuto man ... I am middle eastern , and there was an Arabic middle eastern Mecaniec mention your name as one of the TOP transmission masters 🤣... that’s make me com and watch your Chanel and am really so impressed and feel how shitty Mecaniec we have back home :)
The perfect quote Samniss. Seriously, how much could a dipstick cost, when you consider economy of scale? It's not like it takes up a lot of room either. An extremely frustrating decision on Toyota's part.
I heard that for some high end cars you have to hook up a computer to do fluid change. If that is true I'm guessing Toyota won't be left out and will soon adapt it 😂 Better to just buy a small plane folks, cars are getting too complicated
He didn't design the car. You can thank the engineer for that. Keep it up man, love the instructional video. Hard to find a good instructional video that teaches the new generation on how to do things properly. Sometimes they are not the easiest of ways to do it. But if we teach them proper procedure things will be done right the first time.
That was a Beautiful Demonstration, in the late 60's I worked for Aamco transmission around Los Angeles, as a fill in r& r man, and student at LA TradeTech college for Automatic transmission, I never thought this day would come, to be So complicated to do such a simple job, again, a Beautiful Demonstration, thank you.
I saw this video years ago when I first bought my 2013 RAV4 (no dipstick) so glad I found you again so the repair shops don’t act like they know it all
So, in other words, you don't need this special tool if you allow the engine (and transmission, obviously) to cool down below approximately 90 deg. F. and then just simply use the factory included level tube (on the separate drain plug). Just fill the transmission until fluid starts to drip from the level tube, start the engine and use OBD2 scanner to read transmission temperature until it reaches factory specified temperature. Once the fluid gets to a slow drip, install the level tube drain plug, shut off the engine and make sure that both drain plugs and the fill plug are tight. Job done. Very simple. This is how I do it on my 2016 4Runner. The special tool is only needed for a dealership where they don't have time to allow the transmission to cool down.
Yes, yes and yes DIY can begin cold, use a laser temp gun on the front of the pan looking for 105°F and check your level. Doing this hot at idle temps is for the shop/dealer mechanic. This 💩 is making the procedure look like rocket surgery using red hot magma
FINALLY someone mentioned the hydraulic power steering pump whine sound! I know this car has electric power steering so I was confused as to why I was hearing a pump whine. My fluid is just low. THANK YOU!
Even though the method is designed to be overly complex, I'm surprised there's not more likes for this excellent demonstration video! Not only did he show you HOW to use the tool, he clearly explains WHY you have to do it that way.
I actually prefer this "standpipe" method of checking fluid level. It's a lot more precise than a dipstick. When I do this at home I jack up and level the car. After I drain the old fluid and change the strainer, I overfill the trans by 2 quarts. Then I disconnect the trans return line, hook up a clear vinyl tube and route that into a pan. Start the engine, let the trans pump out the remaining dirty fluid. When I see the fluid begin to run cherry red I cut off the engine. Then reattach trans return line and dump a quart or two fresh fluid back into the trans. Then start the car, let the engine idle. Doesn't take long and I can feel the fwd portion of the pan, where the fluid is returning from the heat exchanger starting to get hot with my hand. The heat exchanger warms the trans fluid quickly. I initially use my infrared thermometer to check temp all around the pan. Once I see the temp climb to about 110 F in the center of the pan I pull the plug and catch the fluid that comes out in a small plastic container with a temp gauge in it so I can a very accurate fluid temp measurement. I'm usually right on the money with temp when I do it that way and this procedure is really very easy. Let the excess drain, put the plug back in and not think about it for several years till needs it next time.
There are great tips. Thank you! If I drop the oil pan and replace the filter, how much quarts total to put in first and how how much fluid total quarts do I need to order?
This has to be the most elaborate transmission fluid checking procedure that's ever been made. My 2010 VW Golf has the same tranny made by Aisen, and has the same drain plug and straw for checking fluid level, but all I do is just check for the leaks in the oil pan, if no leaks, I just drain all of the fluid out and then refill it with 3 quarts of fresh ATF and I'm done! Transmission oil do not burn like engine oil, so if you don't have a leak then your level is good.
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James Schrumm, when we added the fluid in this video it dropped the trans fluid temperature by 1 degree F, it was still in the temperature window for proper fluid level setting. Thanks for watching1
Hey, I may be slow and wordy, but I make up for it by being old and handicapped ;) Seriously, I am a school teacher. It is my job to teach and demonstrate the proper methods of doing service work like this. I am not interested in showing shortcuts. It only takes 5-10 minutes to do this work AFTER you know how. Best wishes.
Understand what time it is it is important these days 25 minutes for 8 minute video is too long I was just giving a comment or suggestion I'm a teacher myself and when we are looking for answers we don't have 30 minutes to watch every video for example 5 videos 30 minutes is too much time when you can only pick one
Probably the best educational channel about automobiles i ever saw. I follow it for quite some time and i love it. Thank you for your lessons. I really appreciate it. Keep it coming.
This video is good over explained and going to scare anyone from doing it on their own. I did my 17 camry, drove it backwards onto ramps and jacked the front onto jack stands with same level I had measuredd under the unibody. Removed the filler plug and then level straw to drain it on a washer fluid bottle I spilled probably .25 oz on the floor. Drained it on an empty engine oil bottle and measured 2.25qts. Installed straw hand tight and then drain bolt with washe. Had spare 4' hose which I attached to a funnel which I zip tied to the strut and filled the trans 2.25 qts plus .25oz I spilled. I never checked transmission fluid level ecause there were zero signs of leaks. When I removed the green straw in my case it was quite loose which got me to believe when checking the level the drain plug should be installed as soon as its starts dripping since fluid can pass through the loose threads if you wait for a long time. You can also ruin a very expensive engine by not adding the correct amount of oil but if it asks for 6 qts and you add 6 qts you should be fine not checking level afterwards.
I can't stress enough to all the other technicians out there how this makes complete and total sense and also mr. Kelly I really do appreciate all of the videos you do on the hybrids and keep up the good work I think you're awesome thank you
Thank you for this very competent and honest video.I used to change all fluids at 60K. Surprisingly, Audi told me for my Audi A4 quattro, Coolant, transmission fluid, Brake fluid wouldn’t need to be changed in lifetime.Audi antifreeze G12 or G13 has a shelf life in a closed bottle 3 years. In fact no matter what additives they add, still Propylene Glycol oxidizes and affect the engine block and heater core. The more additives, the higher risk for blockage of the heater core.Transmission oil starts deteriorating since driving 30K miles and must be changed mandatory every 60K. Never do drain and fill. This can make more worse than good. Louse deposits in the pan can travel to the transmission, and block something. This happens to my son's Mercedes Benz S550, and now he needs a new transmission. So, changing the Transmission oil, you need to remove the transmission oil pan, clean anything (there are a lot things), insert the magnet in the right place, install a new transmission filter, and put it back.All these intentional and malicious complications, makes the life of customers more difficult. The intention is, to create more problems to the drivetrain, making profit in expense of customers. At least Toyota his honest, and doesn’t spread false information, as the Audi is doing. In all my cars, I flush the radiator, and Fill up with prestone Ethylene Glycol, set the density with a Refractometr $20 at Amazon, and flush every 3 years. Same with transmision oil, brake fluid, and other fluids.
THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR VIDEO SIR. It was 200% helpful and I will not be committing that BIG MISTAKE to lie costumers pretending to check the trans oil level of their cars. Congratulations for your English language so it is paused, understandable and friendly…I will say a good teacher. I know a lot of teachers but you are outstanding. Thank thank thank you.
Toyota's design seems to implement more precision than us backyard mechanics are used to. We don't want to have to buy special purpose tools for a simple fluid check. It appears a change requires dropping the pan which is also more tedious. All that aside, this is the first video I've seen from WSU and I have to give you kudos. Well done and very thorough and informative!
The other thing you can do for a fluid change is just leave the car for a long time so the fluid is completely cold, measure out how much you drain out and fill it with the same exact amount, however this only works if the level was correct to begin with.
I drained out exactly 2 1/4 qts......added 2 1/4 qts......drove it for 2 minutes......checked the trans pan temp with my Harbor Freight IR temp gun..... level was perfect..... Done !!!
On my Toyota Camry & VW i have changed X’mission fluid few times over the years with success; I leave the fluid in the trunk overnight and change it next day as the fluid and the car are at the same temp; if 3 litres comes out I add 3 litres and my vehicles had no problems.
Common sense method! I'm sitting here reading through all these comments and I'm thinking what if I put back in exactly what I took out. That would be crazy huh? 😂
i lovin my 92 tracker even more after seeing this & starting to dislike my wife's 2015 4 cyl. camry..... at shop hey mac check ALL my fluids. ... in a hurry...... bill oil change 80.00 check transmission level checked good .... $ 90.00 labor .
Thank you for the details on this new kind of transmission, and especially the demo of whats inside the pan. Your video was for service shops but I'm a DIY guy. I did a fluid change today at ambient temperature. added the same amount of fluid plus a bit more. Then started the car, went thru the gears till the pan temp was 103 to 104 degrees, and drained the extra fluid as shown on other videos. All you guys posting how to videos are doing a great service to us newbies... Much appreciate all your work.
None of the equipment in the video is necessary unless you are not able to wait 3-6 hours for the transmission fluid to cool down like a high traffic mechanic shop. If you are at home you can do it without equipment because you have TIME on your side.
You can also bridge over the 4th pin and the 13th pin on the obd ii connector and the vehicle will go into trans level check mode, but it won’t do much good when the fluid is hot though.
Yes fluid expands when hot. Wouldn’t it be easier if the fluid straw was set at the cold (contracted) level and the fluid checked at the cold non-expanded level? This may mean that the car set overnight to completely cool before checking and the fluid level. Compensating tools would not be necessary. Too easy?
great video! Question: so i did it today, i drained 2.25 qts cold, i refilled to 2.5, heated it up to 110 F. but when i did the final drain, i got 1L back, should I be concerened? I put the drain back just before the dribble was apparent, it was a veyr thin slowing stream. Also, boht tires on teh ground, but the driver side was jacked up a few inches as well, please let me know? btw, the shifts were alot softer.
My ATF fluid research has led me to discover the following information. I document it here as well as on several Wikipedia pages I created/modified on Mercon, Dexron, Mopar, and Toyota automatic transmission fluids. Lifetime Fluids and Dipstick-less Transmissions: The 1967 Ford Type-F fluid specification was intended to produce a “lifetime” fluid which would never need to be changed. This is the first of many Ford “lifetime” fluids. The 1974 Ford Car Shop Manual reads "The automatic transmission is filled at the factory with "lifetime" fluid. If it is necessary to add or replace fluid, use only fluids which meet Ford Specification M2C33F. Many other transmission manufacturers have followed with their own "Lifetime" automatic transmission fluids". To understand how a fluid can last a "lifetime", a study of the 1939 Chrysler Fluid Drive Fluid is needed. The November 1954 edition of Lubrication Magazine (Published by The Texas Company, later known as Texaco) featured a story called "Evolution of the Chrysler PowerFlite Automatic Transmission". This article described the fluid used in the 1939 Chrysler Fluid Drive and its subsequent revisions and enhancements through 1954. A section of the feature described the lubrication of the Fluid Drive's fluid coupling, it reads "The fluid drive fluid coupling is partially filled with Mopar Fluid Drive Fluid, a special highly refined straight mineral oil with a viscosity of about 185 SUS at 100° F., excellent inherent oxidation stability, high viscosity index (100), excellent ability to rapidly reject air, very low natural pour point ( -25° F.) , ability to adequately lubricate the pilot ball bearing and seal surface, and neutrality towards the seal bellows. The fluid operates under almost ideal conditions in what is essentially a hermetically sealed case, the small amount of atmospheric oxygen initially present being removed by harmless reaction with the fluid so as to leave a residual inert (nitrogen) atmosphere. As a consequence it has not been necessary to drain and replace the fluid, and the level-check recommendation has been successively extended from the original 2,500 miles to 15,500 miles and finally to "never" - or the life of the car. Since drains and level checks were not only unnecessary but frequently harmful ( through the introduction of more air, and seal-destroying dirt) Chrysler eventually left off the tempting level inspection plugs. This mechanism is therefore one of the very few that is actually lubricated for the life of the car. There are now myriad examples of couplings that have operated well over 100,000 miles without any attention whatsoever and were still in perfect condition when the car was retired." Umbrella Style Automatic Transmission Air Breathing Suppressor (TABS) from a 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV Any automatic transmission fluid will last longer if the transmission case could be hermetically sealed, but transmissions have several potential entry points for air: 1. The Dipstick Tube. Any transmission with a dipstick tube has the potential to let additional oxygen into the transmission through a dipstick or dipstick tube plug that is not fully seated in the tube, or through the process of using the dipstick to check the fluid level. Many modern transmissions do not have a dipstick, they have sealed transmission fluid level check plugs. By removing the dipstick, the transmission manufacturer has also removed a potential entry point for oxygen; this reduces the potential for fluid oxidation. A sealed transmission will have longer transmission fluid life than a non-sealed transmission. 2. The Transmission Vent. Transmissions need vents to compensate for internal pressure changes that occur with temperature changes. Without those vents, pressure could build resulting in seal and gasket leaks. Older transmissions had large vents with not much more than a steel wool filter to keep out larger contaminates. The large vents allowed for easy inlet and outlet of air which results in additional oxygen being introduced into the transmission. Oxygen reacts with transmission fluid and can cause oxidation, rust, and corrosion. Ford, and other transmission manufacturers have learned to use smaller vents with one-way Transmission Air Breathing Suppressor (TABS) valves in them to prevent oxygen entry into their transmissions. Any automatic transmission fluid will last longer if it comes from an unopened container 1. Containers storing automatic transmission fluid (ATF) should always be sealed; if exposed to the atmosphere, ATF may absorb moisture and potentially cause shift concerns. 2. When performing repairs on ATF equipped transmissions, it is important to use only new, clean ATF when refilling the transmission. Never reuse ATF. Lifetime automatic transmission fluids made from higher quality base oil and an additive package are more chemically stabile, less reactive, and do not experience oxidation as easily as lower quality fluids made from lower quality base oil and an additive package. Therefore, higher quality transmission fluids can last a long time in normal driving conditions (Typically 100,000 miles (160,000 km) or more). The definition of 'Lifetime Fluid" differs from transmission manufacturer to transmission manufacturer. Always consult the vehicle maintenance guide for the proper service interval for the fluid in your transmission and your driving conditions. Example: A 2018 Ford F-150 with "Lifetime Fluid" could have three different fluid service intervals depending upon how the vehicle is driven: 1. Normal Driving - Normal commuting with highway driving, No, or moderate, load or towing, Flat to moderately hilly roads, No extended idling. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 150,000 mi (240,000 km) 2. Severe Driving - Moderate to heavy load or towing, Mountainous or off-road conditions, Extended idling, Extended hot or cold operation. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 30,000 mi (48,000 km) 3. Extreme Driving - Maximum load or towing, Extreme hot or cold operation. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 30,000 mi (48,000 km)
Ok so it is not a lifetime fluid. You said all that to say what people instinctively knew. It's called lifetime transmission fluid because the day that the car dies is when the transmission fails. What a joke.
Your explanation should end the debate but it won't. I have a 2002 Mercedes SLK 320 with 139,000 miles on it. The transmission is sealed and I will leave it that way.
@@Justnn that's not extreme unless you're doing it for hours on end in heavy stop and go traffic, like if you were using your car for Uber or something, that awful company.
A much easier system is to drop the pan and let out the transmission fluid. At this time replace the transmission filter as well. If you are careful, drop the pan without spilling any fluid, and put the fluid into a measured container. This quantity subtracted from the amount of transmission fluid specified in the owners/service manual is the quantity of fluid in hoses or the internals of the transmission. Hopefully these two figures are close to each other. If there is a large discrepancy, then you might want put the same amount of fluid you drained back into the transmission and drive the car for say 50 miles. Now the dirty and clean fluid have mostly mixed and is relatively clean. Drain the oil from the pan again and fill with clean fluid. Now your transmission should have close to new transmission fluid. WTF isn't cheap, but this procedure will also let you clean the bottom of the transmission pan where metal particles settle. If you have something to lift the whole car, such as a floor jack and put the car up say one foot up on blocks, you can get to the transmission on a sedan. The blocks you use must be equal on all wheels and the vehicle is level. You probably have enough room under a truck or SUV without lifting the car. The floor jack with a small piece of plywood can be used to lower the transmission cover without spilling it. Most transmission covers are not completely flat and hold some fluid in it, so just draining and replacing fluid is just not quite right. The temperature expansion problem on this video can be avoided by letting the transmission fluid you drained equal the temperature of the new fluid you will put in. If you have a transmission leak around the transmission gasket you might have to make a guess how much fluid leaked out, and add an additional amount to the new fluid. Audi was probably first to introduce engines where fluid levels can't be checked. Avoid German cars as they are overly complex money pits that the average car owner can't fix. I'm disappointed with Toyota going this route. I'm glad my Prius doesn't have this nonsense.
As long as no one mess with the transmission before and didn't know what they were doing cuz if they did you're just repeating their mistakes and putting the wrong fluid level and again
I drained, then dropped the pan, changing the filter (OEM for $42, pan gasket for $14 and a new set of screws with thread lock preapplied for $16, $8 a quart back then) for a 2018 Rav4 XLE from Japan with 64k miles back in 2020. I sent the fluid to a lab and was told it only had 10% of its useful life left!!! It must have been a delivery vehicle in its previous life. Over 32k a year was a lot. I ended up putting 5.5 quarts in. My Home Depot bucket measured just under 5 and I did my Master Technician-recommended overfill. Ultimately, good Toyota mechanics will tell you to overfill by 0.5 quarts as a guide. Too much more overfill and the temperature may get too high before the drain gets to a trickle.
Nissan has a fill and check procedure on their CVTs too, but a service advisor explained that the service techs drain the fluid and replace it with the same amount of fluid that was taken out.
Nice video! For this back yard mechanic I am using a non contact laser thermometer on the pan. Stop at the lower temp range. Let it dribble or add. Repeat. Would love to compare my method with expensive tools. Just put in a used transmission so not ultra concerned with perfection.
A decent OBDII Scan-Tool should talk to the computer in your vehicle as well. you don't need an expensive one, just one that will look at "live data". A basic "code reader" won't do. Should be able to monitor live transmission Temp', using the sensor Toyota put in your transmission for that reason. A decent Scan-Tool is a good thing to keep around if you do a lot of your own work anyway. I use a method similar to yours after a filter change, haven't had any problems yet.
Toyota saves a lot of money eliminating dipsticks in production cost, it also prevent owners from cross contaminating with other oils . I've seen failures because of people dumping the wrong fluid in the transmission and I think that's the primary reason of engineering a system like this .
As a qualified mechanic with many years of experience. If someone was to cross contaminate the oil, they’ll do the same thing if it had a dipstick tube anyway. Get the oil at the dealer, the same oil the mechanics there are using on your car. This is just to force people to take it to the dealer. Toyota doesn’t spend a huge amount of money on dipsticks. It’s easy to see the scam, and they aren’t the only ones doing this.
A lot of car dealers are making as much or more profit on servicing cars they’ve sold as they are selling new ones. Toyota, like most legacy car manufacturers only sells its cars through dealers. Making servicing their cars difficult and expensive for a DIY mechanic or even a Toyota dealer tech provides a substantial additional revenue stream and profit center for the Toyota dealers. That is why many call them “STEALERSHIPS”. We need much stronger Right to Repair legislation in this country. But politics aside It will be difficult to accomplish because it needs to be done carefully so we don’t end up with DIYers endangering themselves and others by fiddling with certain components that require significant training that they don’t have. EV batteries and high voltage components for instance. But our elected representatives don’t, and probably won’t ever have the skills necessary to craft such nuanced legislation. I’m not sure what the answer is.
It was stated that the correct level of fluid is to the top of the red straw with a fluid temperature of 104 to 113* F. Instead of having all of these special equipment to change the fluid, why not change the fluid as follows. It will only work if you can keep the car overnight. 1. Drive car to normal operating temperature to allow the foreign particles to float around instead of having them settled on the pan floor. 2. Put car on level rack and immediately drain the fluid (hot) to pull out the foreign particles. 3. Leave overnight to cool 4. Insert the red tube only and refill with fluid until it flows out of red straw, and then install drain plug. 5. Run car until transmission temperature reaches desired temperature, 104-113*F 6. Remove drain plug, leaving red straw intact. Excess fluid should come out. Re-install drain plug. 7. Done.
@@mserica6487 I'm thinking that's probably not a good idea at all - the importan t thing here is the temperature of the fluid, the only way you can read THAT is with a tool called "Scanguage", its an ODB code reader that costs $160 ( in 2022).that plugs in the OBD II port. Unfortunately you can't use just any OBD reader since most don't have the ATF temp function.
@@mserica6487 yes the car must be running. according to a toyota master tech. 3 main things: the car must be level, the temp must be 105-113, and the car must be running during the drain/check. When the fluid starts "trickling" that means you have the proper level.
@@robertmaybeth3434 Measure temperature with a $20 "Infrared Thermometer gun", I got mine from Amazon, aimed directly at the middle of the steel oil pan. Excellent heat conduction through the steel oil pan matches fluid temperature in the pan.
@@softwaresignals Was gonna comment the same thing, and those guns are super useful (if not super precise.) It should be slightly warm, not hot, if you just put your palm to it.
WeberAuto this is brilliant John and just what I was thinking. If I run my Highlander 2016 at idle for 20 minutes and the temperature goes to 185 and stays fairly steady, a straw at that height would allow you to add fluid and get it at the proper level every time. I ill take the risk of burns any day. Appears that the temperature in this controlled environment stays fairly steady. Now the question is where can I get a straw made to that specification? Maybe the existing one could be modified/extended to the new height? This is one of those million dollar (maybe not that much) ideas!
With a Scangauge2 my 2016 Highlander V6 temps typically run in the 125-145 range. Never seen them north of 155-160. That is just normal driving without fast accelerating (no hills where I live either)
+scott l Just greed! You either pay them $$$$$ to check it, or roll the dice DIY and run the risk of needing a new transmission. This reminds me if the rubber timing belt. While they have it pulled apart for a new belt how about $500 more stuff to replace while we have it apart!
At the Toyota tranny deep stick you can read this , NO NEED TO CHANGE FLUID or something like that, and the only reason for that notice is to derail you to forget about transmission until its too late.
Great respect to you Sir for such a great tutorial and hands-on demonstration to prove the theory and operation. I realise that I should not attempt to check, fill or change my ATM fluid on my RAV4.. The SSTs required are prohibitive. Aisin (pronounced "Eye-Sheen" in Japanese) are respected as manufacturers of highly efficient and reliable transmissions.. This work requires high accuracy and careful temperature measurement. I wonder if the average Toyota technician will replicate the same meticulous measurement and inspection processes.
Thank you for the information. They could duplicate it if they were properly trained and paid, but the flat rate pay system promotes sloppy work and shortcuts.
great job! i liked it!, any recommendation to synethetic ams oil , the expensive stuff? being theres non synthetic int here, but i figure i dont have to do it for a while? thnaks
The video is excellent and very detailed. However one could use the 104-113° method at home but plan a whole morning or afternoon. I see the benifits is sealing the transmission more but it sure takes some ease out of routine maintenance for the do it yourself owner.
Oh that's easy. I'll just have to do the fluid level check in July or August. It is always 104-113 here in southern Nevada in July and August. I won't have to warm it up or let it cool down.
I wonder if a couple heat lamps aimed at the transmission would heat it up and a thermal gun aimed at the pan on the transmission would suffice for measuring the temperature? I don't see why not?
Normally, transmission levels are checked with the engine running and fluids circulating. Without a dipstick, I don’t see how the levels are ever going to be right.
@@kenmarriott5772 There is also a procedure to jumper the OBD port (two terminals), and a shifter dance. Then the D light blinks (something like that) when the temperature is ready to check. You don't need a scan tool but it is a weird procedure.
Excellent video! Seems like many of your viewers don't understand the necessity of precise fluid levels at specified temperatures. As it's been said many times, "Good enough isn't really good enough!" Just a note: that little plastic straw is known as a standpipe. Thanks for your top quality video!!!
You didn't recheck the transmission fluid temperature after adding room temperature fluid to confirm that it was still above 185 degrees. The additional of the room temperature fluid could have lowered the temperature of the fluid in the transaxle. Do you recommend rechecking the trans fluid temperature before adjusting the level... i.e., after adding "cold" fluid?
My bet is there maybe about 12 places in the whole US equipped with the vacuum pump and kit just to check fluid level for Toyota trans. These tools are not exactly flying off the shelves of the tool makers. That is why colleges have a reputation of being impractical and students just be sure you play their games and pass the course , then forget everything they taught when they enter the real world. if Toyota really want us to have accurate trans fluid levels, just put that damned $10 dip stick back in. It is not too late to put out a retro fit kit, tell us where to drill in the trans case and add the tube in.
If anyone here thinks ANY shop is doing all this to service your transmission I'll sell you a building lot on the moon for half price.....video is well done and explained though.
Amen, they will remove the drain plug, unscrew the straw and here you go done, refill the tranny, done, That will be $560 please because I did all this engineering stuff for you sir/mam, lies. I love Toyota but this is totally unacceptable.
@Mr. Morningstar If you ask a shop to check your fluid level you will know they are an honest shop if they come to you and explain that it will be 100-200$ charge since they have to use special equipment, or if they simply refuse to do it, or if they tell you you will need to leave the vehicle overnight for the fluid to be at ambient temp. If non of this happens and they say they checked it then they did not or they removed fluid when they did not need to.
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to do my son's Toyota truck fairly properly, I don't think the local dealership would do all this, I really really doubt that a transmission place would do anything but mess it up.
Yep - was at Toyota this week asking for a level check. When I asked them how they do it, specifically waiting to hear about the bottom straw ya da yada....service manager says " oh we just stick a pinky in the fill hole. Feel fluid? Your good." Ummm thanks..
All this bullshit to change fluid. Why can't I just remove the drain plug then remove the straw? . let all the fluids land in a 5gallon bucket. Let fluids get to the air temperature which would be the same as whatever fluid has been purchased sitting around waiting to go in, take exact measurement of what's in the bucket and add the exact same back in......simple.
I would like to place a remark on the discribed operation. You topped the gearbox with cold fluid, I think you have to bring the gearbox again on the desired temperature and recheck the fluid level.
Don’t over think this. Dip stick Or No Dip stick at the end of the day you just got to make sure the right amount of ATF oil is in the transmission. Simply use the built in Diagnostic Mode that’s available by jumping OBD pins with a jumper. The built in feature lets you know when the temperature is below: 104 When it’s in the right temperature zone: 104-113 And when it’s to hot: 113 and above Using the built in over flow plug for oil expansion between 104-113 will get you right amount needed.
Drain fluid from transaxle and fill with a measured amount for that transmission/vehicle. Why not just measure it once from the factory, and then after we drain fill with exact measured amount according to fluid specification/capacity chart?
When you drain the trans, even if you took off the pan, there will still be residual fluid inside the plumbing. If you refill to factory levels you are likely to overfill.
Valuable information for me, thanks. Being a diy guy, and to avoid any future atf anxiety, I will just remind myself to avoid buying vehicles without regular fluid dipsticks. What happened to simple but effective japanese engineering?
So I am driving through Baja and my transmission develops a leak. I guess I will just have to tow it home. Thanks for making my vehicle reliable and worry free.
Thank you! for the clear and detailed video. But one question comes up: if precise temperature is so critical for accurate measurement of the fluid, why shouldn't adding new fluid need to be at the ambient temperature shown by the diagnostic unit? It the added fluid is at room temperature, doesn't that make the volume inaccurate?
Yes it does. You’d have to give the new cold fluid plenty of time to flow thru the hot transmission and warm up. 🤦🏻♂️ it’s idiotic. A cold / hot measuring scale is the best, in my opinion, on a PHYSICAL Dipstick
Iam good with my 1999 Toyota Camry I just did the transmission filter and fluid 3 quarts I spent $ 11.99 for the kit and about $16.99 for the oil I did the labor ready for another year or 30 thousand miles. My Camry has a dipstick. Thank you very much.
What a great, detailed instructional video on this procedure so thank you for taking the time and effort in presenting us all with this information. However, I live in an apt complex where I can't even wash my car (2007 LexusES350) so my question now is: How do I find and verify that a shop in my area will perform this procedure as you outlined here? Transmissions are way more expensive than the cost of having this done correctly so needless to say, I want to be sure that it's done correctly. Thank you once again!
So quick question… I just bought an ES350 from the dealer, and it’s doing that whirring sound… is my transmission overfilled or doesn’t have enough fluid?? Thank you 🙏
It's a bit confusing. If the trans fluid has to be checked at a certain temperature and you are now pumping new fluid into the transmission to fill it to the setting on that special gauge (eg 71 mm) doesn't this new fluid also have be at that prescribed temperature, other wise how do you know the amount of oil to pump into the transmission? PS: If I rely upon the toyota dealer, can I rest assured that they are following this critical procedure of checking and refilling my trans fluid levels?
Thank you for informative videos. I have a question for you professor. The volume of the fluid changes depending on temperature but the weight remains the same therefore, if we know the exact amount of fluid, are these complicated processes really necessary? I want to hear your thoughts on this.
Does the motor need to be running when checking the level? I have seen it done both ways both on video and on paper. Which is correct? Or does it not matter? I wont need the special tools because I will be checking it at the proper temps. Im just stuck on if the motor needs to be running or not. In some videos, ive seen lots of oil come out with just the plug, before the tube was even removed.
@@WeberAuto that was my question too. So, the engine is running the whole time you are under the car showing how the Toyota level check kit works? Assume the transmission was in Park the whole time, not drive, while the engine was running? And, you are adding relatively 'cold' fluid to a relatively 'hot' transmission, so I guess it would be wise to wait a few minutes on the level check after adding cool fluid, so any expansion of the 'cool' new fluid up to operating temperature has had a chance to come up to that temperature? I'm of the same ilk as others, in that I don't trust someone else changing my engine oil or transmission fluids. So much so that I could come up with a good enough reason to purchase this "Tool Kit," and just go into business, so to speak, checking transmission fluid levels for those who cannot afford to have it done by a dealer or repair shop for much less than they would charge to have it done.
@weberauto is it possibly to use a infrared thermometer on the oil pan from stone cold to 103° with engine running then check the drain plug?. I Do not have scan tool to check fluid temp
What temperature is the red tube itself good for? If it is accurate for room temperature fluid, one could take out the drain plug, and add fluid into the fill hole with a simple tube, then put in the plug after it shows its full. Am I right? All these expensive tools would then not be needed.
I have owned Toyotas from the 1960's. I own a 2011 Sienna and and I am totally frustrated with Toyota over this. I will probably never purchase another Toyota. Also, whatever I get next will be the traditional stuff. Simple stuff only.
Thanks for your response. Back in 2014, my Toyota dealer recommended that the tranny fluid be changed along with 3 other services. The other 3 services showed a picture of a contaminated air filter which was not in my car, a filthy choke mechanism which was not in my car and a heavily corroded battery terminals and again that was not the case with my car. Finally, they showed a picture of a filthy tranny fluid and that is when I discovered that I could not find the dipstick. I confronted Toyota. It so happened that the Service Manager was out and I spoke with a mechanic. The mechanic said that the dealership could not change the tranny fluid. I later spoke with the Service Manager and he agreed that the dealership had no way to change the fluid at that time. I was told that it was possible but that it was extremely expensive process which he did not go into any real detail. Since they had inflated the need service in the first 3 examples I decided to service the vehicle myself and did nothing about the tranny fluid at that time. I am starting to be concerned about this tranny fluid service and do not know the where, who or what to see about this situation. I would appreciate your guidance on this matter. Thanks in advance.
What a nightmare! I am sorry to hear that. The Toyota WS fluid in this transmission should last 90k-120k miles depending upon how heavily loaded it was driven. When you are ready to have the fluid changed, make sure the technician knows the procedure in this video or they could end up over filling or under filling your transmission (which will damage it). Best wishes.
I'm a tech and after working on all different makes and models for 15+ years, I still believe you did good with your purchase. You have to try to look at the big picture, they won't bat a thousand.
Great informative videos. My question is, assuming the level is correct in the transmission to start of with, would there be any issue in simply draining and replacing exactly what came out? All while at room temperature so it was correct volume etc.
I did that. Changed transmission fluid on my 2018 Toyota RAV4. Alittle over 2 qts came out. So I put alittle less than 2.5 qts. The car hadn’t had its transmission fluid changed before. It’s been 4,000 miles so far and no problems.
I spent a couple weeks collecting the tools I'd need to do a fluid drain and fill on my 2015 Corolla. My one bit of advice is to do it when the transmission is unquestionably cold. Get the car into a level spot and leave it there, then do the drain and fill in the morning. That will eliminate most of the complication and the exotic tools.
This is bull shit, just get car up to normal temp and drain and what comes out of tube, just measure and put back in and ever 25,000 or so do it again. but you need to start doing this when vehicle is fairly new so you will know the correct level, it’s not rocket science
Yes you can maybe for a newer car or if the fluid lever is right.. but what if the fluid is lower than it’s supposed to be? this is the problem you dont know if the fluid level is right or not..
Since the fluid expands in a predictable way wouldn't it be possible to set the fluid to a level with the "straw in it's normal position, then use a chart/table that says how much extra fluid to add, depending on temperature? For instance no fluid would be added at 113deg, but at say 150deg a cup of fluid would be added after the fluid is drained from the straw and capped off, at 185deg 2 cups (1/2qt) is added etc. No need for special tools.
circuitsmith Good question! I receive that question a lot. You don't need any special tools to check it when cold (104-113 degrees F). I believe the biggest concern here is safety. Hot fluid (185-220 degrees F) coming out of a transmission level plug can cause severe burns. I haven't seen any other manufacturer that lets you check the fluid without a dipstick at full operating temperature (Toyota/Lexus is the only one with the proper tools and training). All of the other ones I have seen have you check the level between 80-120 degrees F. Additionally, the engine RPM and proper preconditioning of the transmission also affect the fluid level. Thanks for watching.
Thank you very much! I was planning to do a drain and fill on my Highlander. After watching this video, I realize that im not equipped for this. I'm not even going to take the car to my independent shop for this, I'll be going to the dealership. Thanks again!!!
Great explanation of the procedure. What I'm left wondering is why Toyota has made it so difficult to simply check a fluid level? I simply don't see the mechanical advantage of this. I like to do my own vehicle maintenance, but it's difficult to justify the cost of purchasing all these highly specialized tools for two vehicles (2017 Tacoma and 2019 Highlander). All the dealers that I've been to can tell me is that when the light comes on bring it in. This is frustrating to say the least.
How much time is going to be allotted for flat rate technicians to do this properly? This is a complete joke on Toyota's part and a common horse sense way has to be found to do this on a day to day basis. I would love to see how my Toyota dealer is following this procedure.
Usually oil changes are done by the least qualified technician.I used to work in the system. I would never let a "professional" at a dealership touch my vehicle unless it's a major warranty issue. Even the best techs cut corners all the time. What makes you think someone will spend an hour chasing fluid temperature to a perfect temperature? They may even put a wrong ATF in the transmission. BTW, I don;t know what Toyota engineers were thinking when they designed these transmissions. How can they claim that the WS fluid is good for the life of the transmission? Perhaps when they say - "life of transmission", they mean for the duration of the powertrain warranty? I checked fluid condition on my 2016 4Runner. It's clear brown-ish color. The vehicle has 25,000 easy miles on the odometer. I doubt it will last 100k without transmission fluid replacement. I will do drain and refill fluid change a couple of times to hopefully replace a large portion of the ATF. Once the warranty is over, I will switch to Amsoil ATF.
Can someone explain the physics of how If I remove 2.3 Quarts of ATF-WS at 70 degrees F and replace 2.3 Quarts of ATF-WS there will be a difference in the quantity of fluid in the system? Additionally, at this point assuming no leaks the end result should be at the exact factory specifications?
If you replace with ATF-WS that is at a different temperature (Other than 70 degrees F) it could be too much or too little of an amount, because you are measuring volume. If you make sure the replacement ATF-WS is 70 degrees, it should be the exact same measured volume. Think of how water expands when frozen, but the amount of liquid is actually the same, but the volume size is different.
You got to be kidding me! 😱 What an idiotic way of checking the fluid level! Was this designed to prevent owners from checking their transmission fluid thereby giving dealers more business? 😠
A lot more transmissions are destroyed from cross transmission fluid contamination than low fluid levels, that's the idea behind it . For mechanics it seems stupid, but a lot of air heads that don't know better will put any kind of oil they can find in their transmission .
Nice step by step instructions, but: (1) The new fluid that was put in was not at 186 deg, so shouldn't the car have been run back up to temp before final level check? And (2) Why doesn't Toyota simply make a replacement "straw" that calibrated to 186 deg and dispense with all the extra equipment?
Thank you for the superb video. One question I have is in regards to proper leveling: Where do you measure that? Use a level on the unibody rail underneath? Also, it appeared that you did not re-install the original red straw before putting the plug back in the pan. This video got my subscription. Please keep up the good work!
That’s a great video to learn from, thank you so much! I changed transmission fluid on my old Corolla before so when I didn’t see a dipstick on a new Corolla when checking fluid levels it got me really confused
just my 50 cents after reading the comments: there has got to be some serious dolla to be made for someone who can manufacture and supply a dipstick mod kit
Then people would still not know how to use a dipstick. Dipsticks are only accurate if the fluid temperature is within specifications (but nobody has time for that). Thank you for your feedback.
Nice try, but not accurate. Each vehicle manufacturer had a specific transmission fluid temperature that must be reached to be considered hot. The cold mark is also only accurate at a specific temperature as defined by the manufacturer. The cold mark typically only tells you that the transmission has enough fluid in it to proceed to the Hot fluid level check procedure. Many people do not understand this complexity of using a dipstick properly and therefore use it incorrectly. As a result they either add too much fluid or the wrong type of fluid. Both of those conditions can ruin a $5500 transmission in a short period of time. It is safer and actually extends the transmission life by not having a dip stick. Thanks for your feedback! It is a common question.
re: "nice try but not accurate" then an electronic level monitor with an ecu to factor in the temperature/level problem and an indicator in the cockpit would do it, most modern large trucks have this, its not an expensive setup. Car manufacturers are deliberately increasing the car owners dependance on their service at the stealership long after the car is manufactured. Like I say MAJOR DOLLA to be made with an aftermarket kit $$$$.
I really enjoyed your video! Thank you for sharing. I am with most people how I don’t like how they are making it more and more difficult to service your car. I get that dip sticks aren’t that accurate, however I do believe changing your fluid regularly makes the car last longer..
Everybody take a chill pill, this is only going to show you the procedure by the book, and that is all well and good. For the dyi guy, I found if you treat these transmissions like a standard transmission, with a fill plug, it will simplify things a whole lot. I just did mine in the street. Once you have changed your filter, got everything back together, straw installed, dran plug off, fill plug off, add oil till it starts coming out, start the engine, as you would with a trans that has a dipstick, then add more oil till it starts to come out the drain hole. You can play with temps however you like. I didn't because i continued to keep adding oil to give a little flush. The oil circulates through the torque converter, so I added slowly so it would mix in with the existing oil, in attempt to get some flushing action. I let it stop draining and put in the plugs. During that process I did put the trany in forward and reverse once, just to run a little oil through the valve body. But in reality, oil is circulating through an auto trans quite a bit. Next check for leaks, take er for a test drive, recheck for any leaks. If you have done any number of tranny services in the past with dipsticks, you dont have the option of flushing, and if you over fill, it can be a pain to drain extra out. So I like it. But if you work for a reputable shop or dealership, you may have to go by the book and milk it. Cheers.
This is a real example of piss poor engineering. I did not realize Toyota started doing this until after I bought a new 2016 4Runner. It started making some whining noise, similar to what some power steering pumps make when cavitating. The noise comes from the transmission when the engine is hot and has been driven in hot weather. I went to check the transmission fluid level and..........there is no dipstick! I honestly woikd have never bought the car if I knew this. I like to do all maintenance myself because I don't trust dealership mechanics. I don't mean to sound harsh but a good mechanic is very hard to find. Majority are simply dumb parts changers. This has been proven time and time again. I don't even trust them changing oil in my car. Now, I need to take the car in to change fluid in the transmission?
Unfortunately it isn't by desire of the engineers. It is by desire of accountants and lawyers. They want people to have their cars on regular OEM service schedules to make money and prevent common failures that are a PR nightmare. It is the way it is all going and is forced on the designers (I'm an engine designer so i feel this everyday).
dumbass, if it's under warranty just take it in... otherwise shut your mouth and pay for a level check... if you can afford to buy a nice car you should have money to keep it maintained....
Agreed. It also has an oil thermometer built in, if you plug it up to the tech stream computer, like briefly shown in this vid. All the extra tools help, but are unnecessary.
It seems like the easiest thing to do would be to drain the hot fluid, then let it cool to the same temperature as the new oil you are putting in. Then pour in the same volume of new fluid as old fluid drained out.
Ha same idea I had and what I plan on doing. I can see dealers not doing that cause owners wouldn't want to wait many hours for that. But at home that should work. Yes I wont know if at right level but hell the amount of dripping is open to interpretation. I might add a few ozs extra to makeup for fluid sticking to pan and call it a day.
Very nice sir i watch most of ur teachings sir its all well worth a lessons. I have been doing automatics since 1990 i am still learning every day thank you my name is Alan Atputharajah i live in london.may God bless ur work
Impressive video explaining the whole process of checking transmission fluids on the damn Toyota vehicles. You've done a great job but it comes back n to simplicity and the whole processes is so complicated so you'll have not choice but bring the car back to the dealer and they'll keep sucking you dry.
@@WeberAuto What! No respect for the dealers that are charging $150.00 an hour and hire these young kids with little to no experience straight out of school and maybe pay them $10.00 an hour with one team leader in charge of the four kiddo's he is the only one making a decent living. The car manufactures are already seeing a sever shortage of decent mechanics OOPS sorry (quick change technicians), soon there will be no more slave laborers. What then will the poor dealers do???
First great video. I did mine at home by buying clean container for a $1.00. Drained. Marked level. Empty into my used oil container. Filled clean container with new oil to level was at. Pored out what was left into waste container. Pored new fluid back into container from store to pore into dipstick with funnel. Easier to do than write out. Hope it works out🙄. May have not gotten it all out but did it hot.
Shame on Toyota for complicating what should be a simple drain and fill. My DIY method works just fine. Let the car sit overnight along with bottles of new fluid. By morning, both old and new fluid are the same temp and volume. I drain and whatever comes out, I measure and replace exactly the same amount that came out. Of course, I realize this method only works if it was filled properly at the factory to begin with. Its pretty easy to tell. If your car has 50K miles with no tranny problems then it was filled correctly to begin with. I also repeat the process after a week to get more old fluid out. Would I pay a Toyota dealer to do it? Absolutely I would but how would I know they actually did it? There is no way to tell unless they let you watch which they don't allow. I don't trust dealerships.
I have a 2007 Camry 3.5 LE with 57k miles which my parents gave me. The dealer told me they recommend a fluid change at 65k for $200. If i were to do it myself and simply refill with the exact same amount of fluid that was drained, would that be acceptable?
+bg147 Yes, that would probably work as long as the fluid level was correct to begin with. The fluid in that transmission does not typically need to be changed until well over 100k miles. See your owner's manual. Thank for watching!
WeberAuto Thank you. Changing it at 65K was the dealer's idea. He made his point by asking me if I would consider drinking water that had been sitting in a bucket for 5 years.
+bg147 That is pretty funny! We are not talking about food here! Forget what the service advisor tells you, pay attention to the maintenance schedule in the owner's manual. Anything sooner will not hurt anything but your bank account.
WeberAuto Thank you. He almost got me but I will go back to following the manual. There are people out there who believe that Toyota is trying to reduce the estimated annual cost figure by advising against fluid changes and such. These people probably have an agenda or are just old school.
When I called a dealer about the transmission fluid change - 15' Toyota Sienna - they said - it is checked at 100k. A sealed system. The reason they want to make a change difficult is so that it is done by a qualified person. Doing it incorrectly can be costly - as we know.
CORRECTION TO PROCEDURE: When using the 10002-00101 adjustable level gauge, use the BOTTOM of the moveable collar rather than the top to set the proper height measurement. The height is different for each vehicle, so be sure to look up the specification for your vehicle.
WeberAuto thanks. First time I have heard of the tool. Does it give a measurement for the tundra ab60f or is just for the front wheel drives? I found the tool on a Toyota site but it doesn’t give any info.
Thanks again
Do you recommend changing the filter or strainer? If yes, how many miles do you recommend.
@@CG-nu9ru See your maintenance guide, it is either 60k miles or 120k miles depending upon vehicle use.
WeberAuto man ... I am middle eastern , and there was an Arabic middle eastern Mecaniec mention your name as one of the TOP transmission masters 🤣... that’s make me com and watch your Chanel and am really so impressed and feel how shitty Mecaniec we have back home :)
Goes to show when you make a simple task more complicated than it needs to be, mistakes happen. Car manufacturers are so short-sighted
"It's an ingenious solution to a problem that should never have existed in the first place." -James May
They gotta fuck us any and every way possible
The perfect quote Samniss. Seriously, how much could a dipstick cost, when you consider economy of scale? It's not like it takes up a lot of room either. An extremely frustrating decision on Toyota's part.
It gets worse, there are some newer cars out there I've seen with no engine oil dipstick. Process that shit, because hell, I'm trying to!
thats insane, my citroen c5 has both electronic guage and a dipstick.......love it.........but no dipstick on the auto grrr
I heard that for some high end cars you have to hook up a computer to do fluid change. If that is true I'm guessing Toyota won't be left out and will soon adapt it 😂 Better to just buy a small plane folks, cars are getting too complicated
He didn't design the car. You can thank the engineer for that. Keep it up man, love the instructional video. Hard to find a good instructional video that teaches the new generation on how to do things properly. Sometimes they are not the easiest of ways to do it. But if we teach them proper procedure things will be done right the first time.
in my whole life I would not have thought I had to go looking instructional video just to check the level of my transmission fluid
That was a Beautiful Demonstration, in the late 60's I worked for Aamco transmission around Los Angeles, as a fill in r& r man, and student at LA TradeTech college for Automatic transmission, I never thought this day would come, to be So complicated to do such a simple job, again, a Beautiful Demonstration, thank you.
I saw this video years ago when I first bought my 2013 RAV4 (no dipstick) so glad I found you again so the repair shops don’t act like they know it all
So, in other words, you don't need this special tool if you allow the engine (and transmission, obviously) to cool down below approximately 90 deg. F. and then just simply use the factory included level tube (on the separate drain plug). Just fill the transmission until fluid starts to drip from the level tube, start the engine and use OBD2 scanner to read transmission temperature until it reaches factory specified temperature. Once the fluid gets to a slow drip, install the level tube drain plug, shut off the engine and make sure that both drain plugs and the fill plug are tight. Job done.
Very simple. This is how I do it on my 2016 4Runner. The special tool is only needed for a dealership where they don't have time to allow the transmission to cool down.
Correct. I just finished this job and my best piece of advice is to do this service when the transmission is absolutely, undoubtedly, cold.
Yes, yes and yes
DIY can begin cold, use a laser temp gun on the front of the pan looking for 105°F and check your level.
Doing this hot at idle
temps is for the shop/dealer mechanic.
This 💩 is making the procedure look like rocket surgery using red hot magma
FINALLY someone mentioned the hydraulic power steering pump whine sound! I know this car has electric power steering so I was confused as to why I was hearing a pump whine. My fluid is just low. THANK YOU!
I am glad it was helpful
Even though the method is designed to be overly complex, I'm surprised there's not more likes for this excellent demonstration video! Not only did he show you HOW to use the tool, he clearly explains WHY you have to do it that way.
Thank you!
I actually prefer this "standpipe" method of checking fluid level. It's a lot more precise than a dipstick. When I do this at home I jack up and level the car. After I drain the old fluid and change the strainer, I overfill the trans by 2 quarts. Then I disconnect the trans return line, hook up a clear vinyl tube and route that into a pan. Start the engine, let the trans pump out the remaining dirty fluid. When I see the fluid begin to run cherry red I cut off the engine. Then reattach trans return line and dump a quart or two fresh fluid back into the trans. Then start the car, let the engine idle. Doesn't take long and I can feel the fwd portion of the pan, where the fluid is returning from the heat exchanger starting to get hot with my hand. The heat exchanger warms the trans fluid quickly. I initially use my infrared thermometer to check temp all around the pan. Once I see the temp climb to about 110 F in the center of the pan I pull the plug and catch the fluid that comes out in a small plastic container with a temp gauge in it so I can a very accurate fluid temp measurement. I'm usually right on the money with temp when I do it that way and this procedure is really very easy. Let the excess drain, put the plug back in and not think about it for several years till needs it next time.
Awesome procedure. Although I’m to lazy to go that far lol
There are great tips. Thank you! If I drop the oil pan and replace the filter, how much quarts total to put in first and how how much fluid total quarts do I need to order?
This has to be the most elaborate transmission fluid checking procedure that's ever been made.
My 2010 VW Golf has the same tranny made by Aisen, and has the same drain plug and straw for checking fluid level, but all I do is just check for the leaks in the oil pan, if no leaks, I just drain all of the fluid out and then refill it with 3 quarts of fresh ATF and I'm done! Transmission oil do not burn like engine oil, so if you don't have a leak then your level is good.
Hundreds of dollars worth of equipment to do the same job as a $10 dip stick, good job Toyota.
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Believe it or not ...some techs even screw up checking level with the dipstick. I've seen it.
Yes but that is hundreds of thousands of times 10$ production didn’t have to spend, so still profit!
@@michaelr6205 See it all the time
Right
This video has to be the most professional and educational one out there. Only admiration to your work sir.
Thank you!
Everyone that wants an unbelievable Prius education needs to sub. The professor is so talented and knowledgeable.
James Schrumm, when we added the fluid in this video it dropped the trans fluid temperature by 1 degree F, it was still in the temperature window for proper fluid level setting. Thanks for watching1
ITS NOT THE DEALER SILLY, ITS THE MANUFACTURE. WELCOME TO TOYOTA/MERCEDES BENZ.
HE'S MAKING A DEMONSTRATION THAT TAKES ONLY 5 MINUTES TO DEMONSTRATE MAYBE 10, HE TOOK 25 AND USED ENTIRELY TOO MANY WORDS.
Hey, I may be slow and wordy, but I make up for it by being old and handicapped ;) Seriously, I am a school teacher. It is my job to teach and demonstrate the proper methods of doing service work like this. I am not interested in showing shortcuts. It only takes 5-10 minutes to do this work AFTER you know how. Best wishes.
Understand what time it is it is important these days 25 minutes for 8 minute video is too long I was just giving a comment or suggestion I'm a teacher myself and when we are looking for answers we don't have 30 minutes to watch every video for example 5 videos 30 minutes is too much time when you can only pick one
you do all this with the car running
Probably the best educational channel about automobiles i ever saw. I follow it for quite some time and i love it. Thank you for your lessons. I really appreciate it. Keep it coming.
Damian Vieira de Castro Thank you very much! I am glad it is useful for you.
I agree!
Che Kelley Thank you!
Damian Vieira de Castro I subscribed.
WeberAuto Great video on a unnecessarily complicated Toyota procedure. You explained it VERY well.
This video is good over explained and going to scare anyone from doing it on their own. I did my 17 camry, drove it backwards onto ramps and jacked the front onto jack stands with same level I had measuredd under the unibody. Removed the filler plug and then level straw to drain it on a washer fluid bottle I spilled probably .25 oz on the floor. Drained it on an empty engine oil bottle and measured 2.25qts. Installed straw hand tight and then drain bolt with washe. Had spare 4' hose which I attached to a funnel which I zip tied to the strut and filled the trans 2.25 qts plus .25oz I spilled. I never checked transmission fluid level ecause there were zero signs of leaks. When I removed the green straw in my case it was quite loose which got me to believe when checking the level the drain plug should be installed as soon as its starts dripping since fluid can pass through the loose threads if you wait for a long time. You can also ruin a very expensive engine by not adding the correct amount of oil but if it asks for 6 qts and you add 6 qts you should be fine not checking level afterwards.
I can't stress enough to all the other technicians out there how this makes complete and total sense and also mr. Kelly I really do appreciate all of the videos you do on the hybrids and keep up the good work I think you're awesome thank you
Thank you very much!
Nonsense.
Thank you for this very competent and honest video.I used to change all fluids at 60K. Surprisingly, Audi told me for my Audi A4 quattro, Coolant, transmission fluid, Brake fluid wouldn’t need to be changed in lifetime.Audi antifreeze G12 or G13 has a shelf life in a closed bottle 3 years. In fact no matter what additives they add, still Propylene Glycol oxidizes and affect the engine block and heater core. The more additives, the higher risk for blockage of the heater core.Transmission oil starts deteriorating since driving 30K miles and must be changed mandatory every 60K. Never do drain and fill. This can make more worse than good. Louse deposits in the pan can travel to the transmission, and block something. This happens to my son's Mercedes Benz S550, and now he needs a new transmission. So, changing the Transmission oil, you need to remove the transmission oil pan, clean anything (there are a lot things), insert the magnet in the right place, install a new transmission filter, and put it back.All these intentional and malicious complications, makes the life of customers more difficult. The intention is, to create more problems to the drivetrain, making profit in expense of customers. At least Toyota his honest, and doesn’t spread false information, as the Audi is doing. In all my cars, I flush the radiator, and Fill up with prestone Ethylene Glycol, set the density with a Refractometr $20 at Amazon, and flush every 3 years. Same with transmision oil, brake fluid, and other fluids.
Thank you for your feedback. It sounds like you have a good system of maintenance. Best wishes
wrong coolant for the Audi
whatever works in a recession
THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR VIDEO SIR. It was 200% helpful and I will not be committing that BIG MISTAKE to lie costumers pretending to check the trans oil level of their cars. Congratulations for your English language so it is paused, understandable and friendly…I will say a good teacher. I know a lot of teachers but you are outstanding. Thank thank thank you.
Toyota's design seems to implement more precision than us backyard mechanics are used to. We don't want to have to buy special purpose tools for a simple fluid check. It appears a change requires dropping the pan which is also more tedious. All that aside, this is the first video I've seen from WSU and I have to give you kudos. Well done and very thorough and informative!
Thank you!
The other thing you can do for a fluid change is just leave the car for a long time so the fluid is completely cold, measure out how much you drain out and fill it with the same exact amount, however this only works if the level was correct to begin with.
I drained out exactly 2 1/4 qts......added 2 1/4 qts......drove it for 2 minutes......checked the trans pan temp with my Harbor Freight IR temp gun..... level was perfect..... Done !!!
This is basically what I was thinking about doing, I do have a cheap scan to thought that should show trans temp tho
On my Toyota Camry & VW i have changed X’mission fluid few times over the years with success; I leave the fluid in the trunk overnight and change it next day as the fluid and the car are at the same temp; if 3 litres comes out I add 3 litres and my vehicles had no problems.
Huh. Bravo
Soma P, I do the same with my Honda Civic. And it’s still purring like a kitten.
Think I will be doing the same. Thx.
Common sense method! I'm sitting here reading through all these comments and I'm thinking what if I put back in exactly what I took out. That would be crazy huh? 😂
Great informative video, I went in my garage and kissed the dip stick on my 06 corolla.
Thank you! That is pretty funny.
Haha what a response
i lovin my 92 tracker even more after seeing this & starting to dislike my wife's 2015 4 cyl. camry..... at shop hey mac check ALL my fluids. ... in a hurry...... bill oil change 80.00 check transmission level checked good .... $ 90.00 labor .
Me too I go kissed my 2009 sienna :-)
Yea I’m so glad mine has one too. This is a nightmare for something so simple and important
Thank you for the details on this new kind of transmission, and especially the demo of whats inside the pan. Your video was for service shops but I'm a DIY guy. I did a fluid change today at ambient temperature. added the same amount of fluid plus a bit more. Then started the car, went thru the gears till the pan temp was 103 to 104 degrees, and drained the extra fluid as shown on other videos. All you guys posting how to videos are doing a great service to us newbies... Much appreciate all your work.
Seems to me. (An "intelligent" novice) that is the perfect way to do it.
Excellent video, I clarify many doubts. It's because of that kind of engineering that Toyotas are so durable and reliable. God bless you professor.
how would a dipstick not make a Toyota durable or reliable
Toyota Engineers: How hard do you want us to make it to check the transmission fluid?
Toyota Management : Yes.
They want to make money by doing all by themselves. They do not want us to mess with it.
@@harakiri881 and I bet they won’t even spend all this time to even do it, they will probably just drop and fill
None of the equipment in the video is necessary unless you are not able to wait 3-6 hours for the transmission fluid to cool down like a high traffic mechanic shop. If you are at home you can do it without equipment because you have TIME on your side.
@@djlinux64 i sure hope you’re right, fam
All these high tech sensors couldn’t detect low transmission fluid 🤔
Holy crap! I always said that french car could force you into a psychiatric clinic. But now, welcome to the club Toyota
You can also bridge over the 4th pin and the 13th pin on the obd ii connector and the vehicle will go into trans level check mode, but it won’t do much good when the fluid is hot though.
The most accurate video i have seen about changing transmission oil in a toyota!!
Thank you very much for sharing sir !!!
+kostantinos menounos Thank you!
Yes fluid expands when hot. Wouldn’t it be easier if the fluid straw was set at the cold (contracted) level and the fluid checked at the cold non-expanded level? This may mean that the car set overnight to completely cool before checking and the fluid level. Compensating tools would not be necessary. Too easy?
great video! Question: so i did it today, i drained 2.25 qts cold, i refilled to 2.5, heated it up to 110 F. but when i did the final drain, i got 1L back, should I be concerened? I put the drain back just before the dribble was apparent, it was a veyr thin slowing stream. Also, boht tires on teh ground, but the driver side was jacked up a few inches as well, please let me know? btw, the shifts were alot softer.
Thanks for sharing. Seems like the process of a drain-and-fill would be much simpler and less time consuming than a fluid check.
My ATF fluid research has led me to discover the following information. I document it here as well as on several Wikipedia pages I created/modified on Mercon, Dexron, Mopar, and Toyota automatic transmission fluids.
Lifetime Fluids and Dipstick-less Transmissions:
The 1967 Ford Type-F fluid specification was intended to produce a “lifetime” fluid which would never need to be changed. This is the first of many Ford “lifetime” fluids. The 1974 Ford Car Shop Manual reads "The automatic transmission is filled at the factory with "lifetime" fluid. If it is necessary to add or replace fluid, use only fluids which meet Ford Specification M2C33F. Many other transmission manufacturers have followed with their own "Lifetime" automatic transmission fluids".
To understand how a fluid can last a "lifetime", a study of the 1939 Chrysler Fluid Drive Fluid is needed. The November 1954 edition of Lubrication Magazine (Published by The Texas Company, later known as Texaco) featured a story called "Evolution of the Chrysler PowerFlite Automatic Transmission". This article described the fluid used in the 1939 Chrysler Fluid Drive and its subsequent revisions and enhancements through 1954.
A section of the feature described the lubrication of the Fluid Drive's fluid coupling, it reads "The fluid drive fluid coupling is partially filled with Mopar Fluid Drive Fluid, a special highly refined straight mineral oil with a viscosity of about 185 SUS at 100° F., excellent inherent oxidation stability, high viscosity index (100), excellent ability to rapidly reject air, very low natural pour point ( -25° F.) , ability to adequately lubricate the pilot ball bearing and seal surface, and neutrality towards the seal bellows.
The fluid operates under almost ideal conditions in what is essentially a hermetically sealed case, the small amount of atmospheric oxygen initially present being removed by harmless reaction with the fluid so as to leave a residual inert (nitrogen) atmosphere. As a consequence it has not been necessary to drain and replace the fluid, and the level-check recommendation has been successively extended from the original 2,500 miles to 15,500 miles and finally to "never" - or the life of the car.
Since drains and level checks were not only unnecessary but frequently harmful ( through the introduction of more air, and seal-destroying dirt) Chrysler eventually left off the tempting level inspection plugs. This mechanism is therefore one of the very few that is actually lubricated for the life of the car. There are now myriad examples of couplings that have operated well over 100,000 miles without any attention whatsoever and were still in perfect condition when the car was retired."
Umbrella Style Automatic Transmission Air Breathing Suppressor (TABS) from a 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV
Any automatic transmission fluid will last longer if the transmission case could be hermetically sealed, but transmissions have several potential entry points for air:
1. The Dipstick Tube. Any transmission with a dipstick tube has the potential to let additional oxygen into the transmission through a dipstick or dipstick tube plug that is not fully seated in the tube, or through the process of using the dipstick to check the fluid level. Many modern transmissions do not have a dipstick, they have sealed transmission fluid level check plugs. By removing the dipstick, the transmission manufacturer has also removed a potential entry point for oxygen; this reduces the potential for fluid oxidation. A sealed transmission will have longer transmission fluid life than a non-sealed transmission.
2. The Transmission Vent. Transmissions need vents to compensate for internal pressure changes that occur with temperature changes. Without those vents, pressure could build resulting in seal and gasket leaks. Older transmissions had large vents with not much more than a steel wool filter to keep out larger contaminates. The large vents allowed for easy inlet and outlet of air which results in additional oxygen being introduced into the transmission. Oxygen reacts with transmission fluid and can cause oxidation, rust, and corrosion. Ford, and other transmission manufacturers have learned to use smaller vents with one-way Transmission Air Breathing Suppressor (TABS) valves in them to prevent oxygen entry into their transmissions.
Any automatic transmission fluid will last longer if it comes from an unopened container
1. Containers storing automatic transmission fluid (ATF) should always be sealed; if exposed to the atmosphere, ATF may absorb moisture and potentially cause shift concerns.
2. When performing repairs on ATF equipped transmissions, it is important to use only new, clean ATF when refilling the transmission. Never reuse ATF.
Lifetime automatic transmission fluids made from higher quality base oil and an additive package are more chemically stabile, less reactive, and do not experience oxidation as easily as lower quality fluids made from lower quality base oil and an additive package. Therefore, higher quality transmission fluids can last a long time in normal driving conditions (Typically 100,000 miles (160,000 km) or more).
The definition of 'Lifetime Fluid" differs from transmission manufacturer to transmission manufacturer. Always consult the vehicle maintenance guide for the proper service interval for the fluid in your transmission and your driving conditions. Example: A 2018 Ford F-150 with "Lifetime Fluid" could have three different fluid service intervals depending upon how the vehicle is driven:
1. Normal Driving - Normal commuting with highway driving, No, or moderate, load or towing, Flat to moderately hilly roads, No extended idling. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 150,000 mi (240,000 km)
2. Severe Driving - Moderate to heavy load or towing, Mountainous or off-road conditions, Extended idling, Extended hot or cold operation. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 30,000 mi (48,000 km)
3. Extreme Driving - Maximum load or towing, Extreme hot or cold operation. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 30,000 mi (48,000 km)
Ok so it is not a lifetime fluid. You said all that to say what people instinctively knew. It's called lifetime transmission fluid because the day that the car dies is when the transmission fails. What a joke.
Your explanation should end the debate but it won't. I have a 2002 Mercedes SLK 320 with 139,000 miles on it. The transmission is sealed and I will leave it that way.
@@Justnn that's not extreme unless you're doing it for hours on end in heavy stop and go traffic, like if you were using your car for Uber or something, that awful company.
A much easier system is to drop the pan and let out the transmission fluid. At this time replace the transmission filter as well. If you are careful, drop the pan without spilling any fluid, and put the fluid into a measured container. This quantity subtracted from the amount of transmission fluid specified in the owners/service manual is the quantity of fluid in hoses or the internals of the transmission. Hopefully these two figures are close to each other. If there is a large discrepancy, then you might want put the same amount of fluid you drained back into the transmission and drive the car for say 50 miles. Now the dirty and clean fluid have mostly mixed and is relatively clean. Drain the oil from the pan again and fill with clean fluid. Now your transmission should have close to new transmission fluid.
WTF isn't cheap, but this procedure will also let you clean the bottom of the transmission pan where metal particles settle. If you have something to lift the whole car, such as a floor jack and put the car up say one foot up on blocks, you can get to the transmission on a sedan. The blocks you use must be equal on all wheels and the vehicle is level. You probably have enough room under a truck or SUV without lifting the car. The floor jack with a small piece of plywood can be used to lower the transmission cover without spilling it. Most transmission covers are not completely flat and hold some fluid in it, so just draining and replacing fluid is just not quite right.
The temperature expansion problem on this video can be avoided by letting the transmission fluid you drained equal the temperature of the new fluid you will put in. If you have a transmission leak around the transmission gasket you might have to make a guess how much fluid leaked out, and add an additional amount to the new fluid.
Audi was probably first to introduce engines where fluid levels can't be checked. Avoid German cars as they are overly complex money pits that the average car owner can't fix. I'm disappointed with Toyota going this route. I'm glad my Prius doesn't have this nonsense.
As long as no one mess with the transmission before and didn't know what they were doing cuz if they did you're just repeating their mistakes and putting the wrong fluid level and again
I drained, then dropped the pan, changing the filter (OEM for $42, pan gasket for $14 and a new set of screws with thread lock preapplied for $16, $8 a quart back then) for a 2018 Rav4 XLE from Japan with 64k miles back in 2020. I sent the fluid to a lab and was told it only had 10% of its useful life left!!! It must have been a delivery vehicle in its previous life. Over 32k a year was a lot.
I ended up putting 5.5 quarts in. My Home Depot bucket measured just under 5 and I did my Master Technician-recommended overfill. Ultimately, good Toyota mechanics will tell you to overfill by 0.5 quarts as a guide. Too much more overfill and the temperature may get too high before the drain gets to a trickle.
Nissan has a fill and check procedure on their CVTs too, but a service advisor explained that the service techs drain the fluid and replace it with the same amount of fluid that was taken out.
Nice video! For this back yard mechanic I am using a non contact laser thermometer on the pan. Stop at the lower temp range. Let it dribble or add. Repeat. Would love to compare my method with expensive tools. Just put in a used transmission so not ultra concerned with perfection.
A decent OBDII Scan-Tool should talk to the computer in your vehicle as well. you don't need an expensive one, just one that will look at "live data". A basic "code reader" won't do. Should be able to monitor live transmission Temp', using the sensor Toyota put in your transmission for that reason.
A decent Scan-Tool is a good thing to keep around if you do a lot of your own work anyway.
I use a method similar to yours after a filter change, haven't had any problems yet.
Toyota saves a lot of money eliminating dipsticks in production cost, it also prevent owners from cross contaminating with other oils . I've seen failures because of people dumping the wrong fluid in the transmission and I think that's the primary reason of engineering a system like this .
As a qualified mechanic with many years of experience. If someone was to cross contaminate the oil, they’ll do the same thing if it had a dipstick tube anyway. Get the oil at the dealer, the same oil the mechanics there are using on your car. This is just to force people to take it to the dealer. Toyota doesn’t spend a huge amount of money on dipsticks. It’s easy to see the scam, and they aren’t the only ones doing this.
A lot of car dealers are making as much or more profit on servicing cars they’ve sold as they are selling new ones. Toyota, like most legacy car manufacturers only sells its cars through dealers. Making servicing their cars difficult and expensive for a DIY mechanic or even a Toyota dealer tech provides a substantial additional revenue stream and profit center for the Toyota dealers. That is why many call them “STEALERSHIPS”.
We need much stronger Right to Repair legislation in this country. But politics aside It will be difficult to accomplish because it needs to be done carefully so we don’t end up with DIYers endangering themselves and others by fiddling with certain components that require significant training that they don’t have. EV batteries and high voltage components for instance.
But our elected representatives don’t, and probably won’t ever have the skills necessary to craft such nuanced legislation. I’m not sure what the answer is.
It was stated that the correct level of fluid is to the top of the red straw with a fluid temperature of 104 to 113* F.
Instead of having all of these special equipment to change the fluid, why not change the fluid as follows. It will only work if you can keep the car overnight.
1. Drive car to normal operating temperature to allow the foreign particles to float around instead of having them settled on the pan floor.
2. Put car on level rack and immediately drain the fluid (hot) to pull out the foreign particles.
3. Leave overnight to cool
4. Insert the red tube only and refill with fluid until it flows out of red straw, and then install drain plug.
5. Run car until transmission temperature reaches desired temperature, 104-113*F
6. Remove drain plug, leaving red straw intact. Excess fluid should come out. Re-install drain plug.
7. Done.
At step 6, should the car be running when you remove the drain plug?
@@mserica6487 I'm thinking that's probably not a good idea at all - the importan t thing here is the temperature of the fluid, the only way you can read THAT is with a tool called "Scanguage", its an ODB code reader that costs $160 ( in 2022).that plugs in the OBD II port. Unfortunately you can't use just any OBD reader since most don't have the ATF temp function.
@@mserica6487 yes the car must be running. according to a toyota master tech. 3 main things: the car must be level, the temp must be 105-113, and the car must be running during the drain/check. When the fluid starts "trickling" that means you have the proper level.
@@robertmaybeth3434 Measure temperature with a $20 "Infrared Thermometer gun", I got mine from Amazon, aimed directly at the middle of the steel oil pan. Excellent heat conduction through the steel oil pan matches fluid temperature in the pan.
@@softwaresignals Was gonna comment the same thing, and those guns are super useful (if not super precise.) It should be slightly warm, not hot, if you just put your palm to it.
A simple fix is to replace the straw with a length corresponding to 185 degrees.
John Lloyd That is true, but getting burned by hot fluid is a concern. Thanks for watching!
WeberAuto this is brilliant John and just what I was thinking. If I run my Highlander 2016 at idle for 20 minutes and the temperature goes to 185 and stays fairly steady, a straw at that height would allow you to add fluid and get it at the proper level every time. I ill take the risk of burns any day. Appears that the temperature in this controlled environment stays fairly steady. Now the question is where can I get a straw made to that specification? Maybe the existing one could be modified/extended to the new height? This is one of those million dollar (maybe not that much) ideas!
condor5635, there are a simple way of changing Toyota ws atf. Let me know if you are interested and I will point you to the video.
John Lloyd, this is the best answer to a complex situation. I wonder if we could find the length required?
With a Scangauge2 my 2016 Highlander V6 temps typically run in the 125-145 range. Never seen them north of 155-160. That is just normal driving without fast accelerating (no hills where I live either)
Amazing video! Thanks a lot! My only problem: where I find this tools on Brazil??
I'm rather glad I have a 2004 Camry with a dipstick. This method seems like a Mercedes over-engineered method for the benefit of the stealership.
+scott l Thanks for the feedback!
+scott l Just greed! You either pay them $$$$$ to check it, or roll the dice DIY and run the risk of needing a new transmission. This reminds me if the rubber timing belt. While they have it pulled apart for a new belt how about $500 more stuff to replace while we have it apart!
yip
At the Toyota tranny deep stick you can read this , NO NEED TO CHANGE FLUID or something like that, and the only reason for that notice is to derail you to forget about transmission until its too late.
Even 2005 I got has dip stick I think untill 2006 has dip stick..
Great respect to you Sir for such a great tutorial and hands-on demonstration to prove the theory and operation. I realise that I should not attempt to check, fill or change my ATM fluid on my RAV4..
The SSTs required are prohibitive. Aisin (pronounced "Eye-Sheen" in Japanese) are respected as manufacturers of highly efficient and reliable transmissions.. This work requires high accuracy and
careful temperature measurement. I wonder if the average Toyota technician will replicate the same meticulous measurement and inspection processes.
Thank you for the information. They could duplicate it if they were properly trained and paid, but the flat rate pay system promotes sloppy work and shortcuts.
great job! i liked it!, any recommendation to synethetic ams oil , the expensive stuff? being theres non synthetic int here, but i figure i dont have to do it for a while? thnaks
The video is excellent and very detailed. However one could use the 104-113° method at home but plan a whole morning or afternoon. I see the benifits is sealing the transmission more but it sure takes some ease out of routine maintenance for the do it yourself owner.
Oh that's easy. I'll just have to do the fluid level check in July or August. It is always 104-113 here in southern Nevada in July and August. I won't have to warm it up or let it cool down.
True, it shouldn't take long to do the fluid level check. Thanks for the feedback!
I wonder if a couple heat lamps aimed at the transmission would heat it up and a thermal gun aimed at the pan on the transmission would suffice for measuring the temperature? I don't see why not?
Normally, transmission levels are checked with the engine running and fluids circulating. Without a dipstick, I don’t see how the levels are ever going to be right.
@@WeberAuto does the 103-113 temp apply to a 2015 highlander
@@kenmarriott5772 There is also a procedure to jumper the OBD port (two terminals), and a shifter dance. Then the D light blinks (something like that) when the temperature is ready to check. You don't need a scan tool but it is a weird procedure.
Excellent video! Seems like many of your viewers don't understand the necessity of precise fluid levels at specified temperatures. As it's been said many times, "Good enough isn't really good enough!" Just a note: that little plastic straw is known as a standpipe. Thanks for your top quality video!!!
You didn't recheck the transmission fluid temperature after adding room temperature fluid to confirm that it was still above 185 degrees. The additional of the room temperature fluid could have lowered the temperature of the fluid in the transaxle. Do you recommend rechecking the trans fluid temperature before adjusting the level... i.e., after adding "cold" fluid?
Absolutely! All that fuss about matching the fill level to the temperature, then filling it with clod fluid? What's going on?
My bet is there maybe about 12 places in the whole US equipped with the vacuum pump and kit just to check fluid level for Toyota trans. These tools are not exactly flying off the shelves of the tool makers. That is why colleges have a reputation of being impractical and students just be sure you play their games and pass the course , then forget everything they taught when they enter the real world. if Toyota really want us to have accurate trans fluid levels, just put that damned $10 dip stick back in. It is not too late to put out a retro fit kit, tell us where to drill in the trans case and add the tube in.
You are the greatest sir. You are why I don't disrespect the highly developed. You rock sir.
If anyone here thinks ANY shop is doing all this to service your transmission I'll sell you a building lot on the moon for half price.....video is well done and explained though.
Amen, they will remove the drain plug, unscrew the straw and here you go done, refill the tranny, done, That will be $560 please because I did all this engineering stuff for you sir/mam, lies. I love Toyota but this is totally unacceptable.
@Mr. Morningstar If you ask a shop to check your fluid level you will know they are an honest shop if they come to you and explain that it will be 100-200$ charge since they have to use special equipment, or if they simply refuse to do it, or if they tell you you will need to leave the vehicle overnight for the fluid to be at ambient temp. If non of this happens and they say they checked it then they did not or they removed fluid when they did not need to.
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to do my son's Toyota truck fairly properly, I don't think the local dealership would do all this, I really really doubt that a transmission place would do anything but mess it up.
Yep - was at Toyota this week asking for a level check. When I asked them how they do it, specifically waiting to hear about the bottom straw ya da yada....service manager says " oh we just stick a pinky in the fill hole. Feel fluid? Your good." Ummm thanks..
All this bullshit to change fluid. Why can't I just remove the drain plug then remove the straw? . let all the fluids land in a 5gallon bucket. Let fluids get to the air temperature which would be the same as whatever fluid has been purchased sitting around waiting to go in, take exact measurement of what's in the bucket and add the exact same back in......simple.
You just sold me a Honda. Thank you for sharing.
Almost all modern transmissions do not have a dipstick, not just Toyota's. Thanks for your feedback
I would like to place a remark on the discribed operation.
You topped the gearbox with cold fluid, I think you have to bring the gearbox again on the desired temperature and recheck the fluid level.
Don’t over think this.
Dip stick Or No Dip stick at the end of the day you just got to make sure the right amount of ATF oil is in the transmission.
Simply use the built in Diagnostic Mode that’s available by jumping OBD pins with a jumper.
The built in feature lets you know when the temperature is below:
104
When it’s in the right temperature zone:
104-113
And when it’s to hot:
113 and above
Using the built in over flow plug for oil expansion between 104-113 will get you right amount needed.
This makes it sooooo much easier.
100% correct. You can avoid most of this by changing the fluid cold.
Drain fluid from transaxle and fill with a measured amount for that transmission/vehicle. Why not just measure it once from the factory, and then after we drain fill with exact measured amount according to fluid specification/capacity chart?
When you drain the trans, even if you took off the pan, there will still be residual fluid inside the plumbing.
If you refill to factory levels you are likely to overfill.
Valuable information for me, thanks. Being a diy guy, and to avoid any future atf anxiety, I will just remind myself to avoid buying vehicles without regular fluid dipsticks. What happened to simple but effective japanese engineering?
So I am driving through Baja and my transmission develops a leak. I guess I will just have to tow it home. Thanks for making my vehicle reliable and worry free.
No, you're suppose to tow it to the nearest Toyota dealer.
Thank you! for the clear and detailed video. But one question comes up: if precise temperature is so critical for accurate measurement of the fluid, why shouldn't adding new fluid need to be at the ambient temperature shown by the diagnostic unit? It the added fluid is at room temperature, doesn't that make the volume inaccurate?
Yes it does. You’d have to give the new cold fluid plenty of time to flow thru the hot transmission and warm up. 🤦🏻♂️ it’s idiotic. A cold / hot measuring scale is the best, in my opinion, on a PHYSICAL Dipstick
I agree and therefore don't understand how the described procedure is supposed to work.
Iam good with my 1999 Toyota Camry I just did the transmission filter and fluid 3 quarts I spent $ 11.99 for the kit and about $16.99 for the oil I did the labor ready for another year or 30 thousand miles. My Camry has a dipstick. Thank you very much.
What a great, detailed instructional video on this procedure so thank you for taking the time and effort in presenting us all with this information. However, I live in an apt complex where I can't even wash my car (2007 LexusES350) so my question now is: How do I find and verify that a shop in my area will perform this procedure as you outlined here? Transmissions are way more expensive than the cost of having this done correctly so needless to say, I want to be sure that it's done correctly. Thank you once again!
Great video. Your explanations and tutorial are EXTREMELY easy to follow and understand. Kudos to you, I appreciate it.
Thank you very much
So quick question… I just bought an ES350 from the dealer, and it’s doing that whirring sound… is my transmission overfilled or doesn’t have enough fluid??
Thank you 🙏
IT is most likely under-filled, this is a common issue.
@@WeberAuto Thank you!
It's a bit confusing. If the trans fluid has to be checked at a certain temperature and you are now pumping new fluid into the transmission to fill it to the setting on that special gauge (eg 71 mm) doesn't this new fluid also have be at that prescribed temperature, other wise how do you know the amount of oil to pump into the transmission? PS: If I rely upon the toyota dealer, can I rest assured that they are following this critical procedure of checking and refilling my trans fluid levels?
+h brl Exactly the fresh fluid will be room temp. Rely on dealer mechs. = NO.
h brl well,it is not confusing is that all they want is confusing you haha.
I guess once you add fluid , you read the temp again and adjust the tube thing height accordingly.
h brl at the stage where you are adding that fluid the amount you would be adding is fairly trivial to the overall 10 quarts of fluid in the system
Thank you for informative videos. I have a question for you professor. The volume of the fluid changes depending on temperature but the weight remains the same therefore, if we know the exact amount of fluid, are these complicated processes really necessary? I want to hear your thoughts on this.
great point
Whd didn't you put the plastic straw back in before you replaced the drain plug?
Does the motor need to be running when checking the level? I have seen it done both ways both on video and on paper. Which is correct? Or does it not matter? I wont need the special tools because I will be checking it at the proper temps. Im just stuck on if the motor needs to be running or not. In some videos, ive seen lots of oil come out with just the plug, before the tube was even removed.
Jay Spansel yes, engine running
Thank you for this. So confusing on whether or not the engine should be running.
@@WeberAuto that was my question too. So, the engine is running the whole time you are under the car showing how the Toyota level check kit works? Assume the transmission was in Park the whole time, not drive, while the engine was running?
And, you are adding relatively 'cold' fluid to a relatively 'hot' transmission, so I guess it would be wise to wait a few minutes on the level check after adding cool fluid, so any expansion of the 'cool' new fluid up to operating temperature has had a chance to come up to that temperature?
I'm of the same ilk as others, in that I don't trust someone else changing my engine oil or transmission fluids. So much so that I could come up with a good enough reason to purchase this "Tool Kit," and just go into business, so to speak, checking transmission fluid levels for those who cannot afford to have it done by a dealer or repair shop for much less than they would charge to have it done.
@weberauto is it possibly to use a infrared thermometer on the oil pan from stone cold to 103° with engine running then check the drain plug?. I Do not have scan tool to check fluid temp
what is the tolerance of the transmission fluid level, +/- 4 oz, or 8 oz ?
What are the consequence of over/under-fill the correct level?
What temperature is the red tube itself good for? If it is accurate for room temperature fluid, one could take out the drain plug, and add fluid into the fill hole with a simple tube, then put in the plug after it shows its full. Am I right? All these expensive tools would then not be needed.
Please answer this question?
@@jimlee3892 Still waiting!
I have owned Toyotas from the 1960's. I own a 2011 Sienna and and I am totally frustrated with Toyota over this. I will probably never purchase another Toyota. Also, whatever I get next will be the traditional stuff. Simple stuff only.
Thanks for your feedback. Traditional dipsticks are pretty much gone on all new vehicles, not just Toyota.
Thanks for your response. Back in 2014, my Toyota dealer recommended that the tranny fluid be changed along with 3 other services. The other 3 services showed a picture of a contaminated air filter which was not in my car, a filthy choke mechanism which was not in my car and a heavily corroded battery terminals and again that was not the case with my car. Finally, they showed a picture of a filthy tranny fluid and that is when I discovered that I could not find the dipstick. I confronted Toyota. It so happened that the Service Manager was out and I spoke with a mechanic. The mechanic said that the dealership could not change the tranny fluid. I later spoke with the Service Manager and he agreed that the dealership had no way to change the fluid at that time. I was told that it was possible but that it was extremely expensive process which he did not go into any real detail. Since they had inflated the need service in the first 3 examples I decided to service the vehicle myself and did nothing about the tranny fluid at that time. I am starting to be concerned about this tranny fluid service and do not know the where, who or what to see about this situation. I would appreciate your guidance on this matter. Thanks in advance.
What a nightmare! I am sorry to hear that. The Toyota WS fluid in this transmission should last 90k-120k miles depending upon how heavily loaded it was driven. When you are ready to have the fluid changed, make sure the technician knows the procedure in this video or they could end up over filling or under filling your transmission (which will damage it). Best wishes.
Many thanks! So glad to have found your video.
I'm a tech and after working on all different makes and models for 15+ years, I still believe you did good with your purchase. You have to try to look at the big picture, they won't bat a thousand.
Great informative videos.
My question is, assuming the level is correct in the transmission to start of with, would there be any issue in simply draining and replacing exactly what came out? All while at room temperature so it was correct volume etc.
No, but that is a big assumption. Also, that only drains the oil on the pan, not the torque converter or the fluid cooler or lines.
I agree it's not the proper way but might be ok for myself if done often enough; so the fluid is always somewhat new. Thanks for the reply. Cheers.
@@starstar5657 - I think that’s a fine practice, assuming the level is correct (checked before the service for example, at the recommended 104F)
I did that. Changed transmission fluid on my 2018 Toyota RAV4. Alittle over 2 qts came out. So I put alittle less than 2.5 qts. The car hadn’t had its transmission fluid changed before. It’s been 4,000 miles so far and no problems.
I spent a couple weeks collecting the tools I'd need to do a fluid drain and fill on my 2015 Corolla. My one bit of advice is to do it when the transmission is unquestionably cold. Get the car into a level spot and leave it there, then do the drain and fill in the morning. That will eliminate most of the complication and the exotic tools.
Cant you just drain fluid in measured container and then refill exact amount u took out with hand pump
Derek Noto the same thing I was thinking
This is bull shit, just get car up to normal temp and drain and what comes out of tube, just measure and put back in and ever 25,000 or so do it again. but you need to start doing this when vehicle is fairly new so you will know the correct level, it’s not rocket science
Common sense says of course you can, an engineer will say"absolutely not, and here's why". All nonsense.
Yes you can maybe for a newer car or if the fluid lever is right.. but what if the fluid is lower than it’s supposed to be? this is the problem you dont know if the fluid level is right or not..
@@ShattiUnique that is very true but at that point you could now take it to a dealer to inspect fluid level and save the money doing the fluid change
Since the fluid expands in a predictable way wouldn't it be possible to set the fluid to a level with the "straw in it's normal position, then use a chart/table that says how much extra fluid to add, depending on temperature?
For instance no fluid would be added at 113deg, but at say 150deg a cup of fluid would be added after the fluid is drained from the straw and capped off, at 185deg 2 cups (1/2qt) is added etc.
No need for special tools.
circuitsmith Good question! I receive that question a lot. You don't need any special tools to check it when cold (104-113 degrees F). I believe the biggest concern here is safety. Hot fluid (185-220 degrees F) coming out of a transmission level plug can cause severe burns. I haven't seen any other manufacturer that lets you check the fluid without a dipstick at full operating temperature (Toyota/Lexus is the only one with the proper tools and training). All of the other ones I have seen have you check the level between 80-120 degrees F. Additionally, the engine RPM and proper preconditioning of the transmission also affect the fluid level. Thanks for watching.
Thank you very much! I was planning to do a drain and fill on my Highlander. After watching this video, I realize that im not equipped for this. I'm not even going to take the car to my independent shop for this, I'll be going to the dealership.
Thanks again!!!
The dealer will not recommend this or any procedure for this sealed “lifetime” transmission fluid. But the tranny should last to 100k maybe.
I appreciate the time you took to explain the details. A very informative video. I have a 2013 es 350 and you answered all my questions, thank you.
Thank you!
Weber, why doesn't someone make a transmission oil pan with a site glass? That would be so easy to check, what do you think about that?
Thank you! That sounds great
@@WeberAuto I'm sure you guys could add a retro-fit for this. But that would cut into the dealership profit, and we can't have that!
Great explanation of the procedure. What I'm left wondering is why Toyota has made it so difficult to simply check a fluid level? I simply don't see the mechanical advantage of this. I like to do my own vehicle maintenance, but it's difficult to justify the cost of purchasing all these highly specialized tools for two vehicles (2017 Tacoma and 2019 Highlander). All the dealers that I've been to can tell me is that when the light comes on bring it in. This is frustrating to say the least.
How much time is going to be allotted for flat rate technicians to do this properly? This is a complete joke on Toyota's part and a common horse sense way has to be found to do this on a day to day basis. I would love to see how my Toyota dealer is following this procedure.
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Agreed. I wonder how many would do it properly as well.
Usually oil changes are done by the least qualified technician.I used to work in the system. I would never let a "professional" at a dealership touch my vehicle unless it's a major warranty issue.
Even the best techs cut corners all the time. What makes you think someone will spend an hour chasing fluid temperature to a perfect temperature? They may even put a wrong ATF in the transmission.
BTW, I don;t know what Toyota engineers were thinking when they designed these transmissions. How can they claim that the WS fluid is good for the life of the transmission? Perhaps when they say - "life of transmission", they mean for the duration of the powertrain warranty? I checked fluid condition on my 2016 4Runner. It's clear brown-ish color. The vehicle has 25,000 easy miles on the odometer. I doubt it will last 100k without transmission fluid replacement. I will do drain and refill fluid change a couple of times to hopefully replace a large portion of the ATF. Once the warranty is over, I will switch to Amsoil ATF.
How about a dipstick🤔
Agree
I want to take your class. You are a great teacher.
+Billy Mitchell Thank you!
Can someone explain the physics of how If I remove 2.3 Quarts of ATF-WS at 70 degrees F and replace 2.3 Quarts of ATF-WS there will be a difference in the quantity of fluid in the system? Additionally, at this point assuming no leaks the end result should be at the exact factory specifications?
If you replace with ATF-WS that is at a different temperature (Other than 70 degrees F) it could be too much or too little of an amount, because you are measuring volume. If you make sure the replacement ATF-WS is 70 degrees, it should be the exact same measured volume. Think of how water expands when frozen, but the amount of liquid is actually the same, but the volume size is different.
You got to be kidding me! 😱 What an idiotic way of checking the fluid level! Was this designed to prevent owners from checking their transmission fluid thereby giving dealers more business? 😠
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xvelasco1 yes
I can't think of any other reason why. It's all about sleaze..i mean, business.
Seems like most manufacturers are headed this direction, not just Toyota. Agreed, it is annoying.
@@rabbitruck My suzuki swift is cvt and has a dip stick
What a terrible design you'd think they'd just bring back the dipstick on later models after the failures happened.
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You got that right. A well oiled money sucking machine.
And they did.... Thankfully!
Actually, it is a perfect design to drain the wallet of the paying customer.
Will take it in consideration when buying my next vehicle.
A lot more transmissions are destroyed from cross transmission fluid contamination than low fluid levels, that's the idea behind it . For mechanics it seems stupid, but a lot of air heads that don't know better will put any kind of oil they can find in their transmission .
Nice step by step instructions, but:
(1) The new fluid that was put in was not at 186 deg, so shouldn't the car have been run back up to temp before final level check?
And (2) Why doesn't Toyota simply make a replacement "straw" that calibrated to 186 deg and dispense with all the extra equipment?
All my life I was Called A Dipstick but after watching this Video (feeling Ill!) Im The Man!
Thank you for the superb video. One question I have is in regards to proper leveling: Where do you measure that? Use a level on the unibody rail underneath? Also, it appeared that you did not re-install the original red straw before putting the plug back in the pan. This video got my subscription. Please keep up the good work!
The red straw was installed at all times other than the first demonstration. Yes, unibody rail or pinch seam underneath. Thanks for your feedback!
That’s a great video to learn from, thank you so much! I changed transmission fluid on my old Corolla before so when I didn’t see a dipstick on a new Corolla when checking fluid levels it got me really confused
just my 50 cents after reading the comments: there has got to be some serious dolla to be made for someone who can manufacture and supply a dipstick mod kit
Then people would still not know how to use a dipstick. Dipsticks are only accurate if the fluid temperature is within specifications (but nobody has time for that). Thank you for your feedback.
the old dipstick system had a hot mark and a cold mark:simples, where's the pain in bringing this back?
Seems simple enough. Define hot, define cold.
Nice try, but not accurate. Each vehicle manufacturer had a specific transmission fluid temperature that must be reached to be considered hot. The cold mark is also only accurate at a specific temperature as defined by the manufacturer. The cold mark typically only tells you that the transmission has enough fluid in it to proceed to the Hot fluid level check procedure. Many people do not understand this complexity of using a dipstick properly and therefore use it incorrectly. As a result they either add too much fluid or the wrong type of fluid. Both of those conditions can ruin a $5500 transmission in a short period of time. It is safer and actually extends the transmission life by not having a dip stick. Thanks for your feedback! It is a common question.
re: "nice try but not accurate" then an electronic level monitor with an ecu to factor in the temperature/level problem and an indicator in the cockpit would do it, most modern large trucks have this, its not an expensive setup. Car manufacturers are deliberately increasing the car owners dependance on their service at the stealership long after the car is manufactured. Like I say MAJOR DOLLA to be made with an aftermarket kit $$$$.
I really enjoyed your video! Thank you for sharing.
I am with most people how I don’t like how they are making it more and more difficult to service your car. I get that dip sticks aren’t that accurate, however I do believe changing your fluid regularly makes the car last longer..
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Everybody take a chill pill, this is only going to show you the procedure by the book, and that is all well and good. For the dyi guy, I found if you treat these transmissions like a standard transmission, with a fill plug, it will simplify things a whole lot. I just did mine in the street. Once you have changed your filter, got everything back together, straw installed, dran plug off, fill plug off, add oil till it starts coming out, start the engine, as you would with a trans that has a dipstick, then add more oil till it starts to come out the drain hole. You can play with temps however you like. I didn't because i continued to keep adding oil to give a little flush. The oil circulates through the torque converter, so I added slowly so it would mix in with the existing oil, in attempt to get some flushing action. I let it stop draining and put in the plugs. During that process I did put the trany in forward and reverse once, just to run a little oil through the valve body. But in reality, oil is circulating through an auto trans quite a bit. Next check for leaks, take er for a test drive, recheck for any leaks. If you have done any number of tranny services in the past with dipsticks, you dont have the option of flushing, and if you over fill, it can be a pain to drain extra out. So I like it. But if you work for a reputable shop or dealership, you may have to go by the book and milk it. Cheers.
This is a real example of piss poor engineering. I did not realize Toyota started doing this until after I bought a new 2016 4Runner. It started making some whining noise, similar to what some power steering pumps make when cavitating. The noise comes from the transmission when the engine is hot and has been driven in hot weather. I went to check the transmission fluid level and..........there is no dipstick! I honestly woikd have never bought the car if I knew this. I like to do all maintenance myself because I don't trust dealership mechanics. I don't mean to sound harsh but a good mechanic is very hard to find. Majority are simply dumb parts changers. This has been proven time and time again. I don't even trust them changing oil in my car. Now, I need to take the car in to change fluid in the transmission?
Thanks for the feedback! I know what you mean.
Unfortunately it isn't by desire of the engineers. It is by desire of accountants and lawyers.
They want people to have their cars on regular OEM service schedules to make money and prevent common failures that are a PR nightmare. It is the way it is all going and is forced on the designers (I'm an engine designer so i feel this everyday).
dumbass, if it's under warranty just take it in... otherwise shut your mouth and pay for a level check... if you can afford to buy a nice car you should have money to keep it maintained....
Thank you! It's nice to hear about this from somebody who really knows.
He just explained to you that he doesn't trust these mechanics; I don't trust them either.
engine is running in this procedure?
Traqn Savov Yes, it was idling near 700 RPM as shown on the laptop data display at the start of the on-car procedure. Thanks for watching!
WeberAuto Thank you
Free schooling! Can you use a handheld temp gun to check bottom of pan for temp?
Why not use an oil thermometer instead of this complication?
When temp reaches bw 104-113 then we allow oil to drain out from the top of the straw.
Agreed. It also has an oil thermometer built in, if you plug it up to the tech stream computer, like briefly shown in this vid. All the extra tools help, but are unnecessary.
It seems like the easiest thing to do would be to drain the hot fluid, then let it cool to the same temperature as the new oil you are putting in. Then pour in the same volume of new fluid as old fluid drained out.
most sensible suggestion on this topic
Ha same idea I had and what I plan on doing. I can see dealers not doing that cause owners wouldn't want to wait many hours for that. But at home that should work. Yes I wont know if at right level but hell the amount of dripping is open to interpretation.
I might add a few ozs extra to makeup for fluid sticking to pan and call it a day.
Very nice sir i watch most of ur teachings sir its all well worth a lessons. I have been doing automatics since 1990 i am still learning every day thank you my name is Alan Atputharajah i live in london.may God bless ur work
Thank you!
Impressive video explaining the whole process of checking transmission fluids on the damn Toyota vehicles. You've done a great job but it comes back n to simplicity and the whole processes is so complicated so you'll have not choice but bring the car back to the dealer and they'll keep sucking you dry.
+Tom Shong Thank you for watching!
@@WeberAuto What! No respect for the dealers that are charging $150.00 an hour and hire these young kids with little to no experience straight out of school and maybe pay them $10.00 an hour with one team leader in charge of the four kiddo's he is the only one making a decent living. The car manufactures are already seeing a sever shortage of decent mechanics OOPS sorry (quick change technicians), soon there will be no more slave laborers. What then will the poor dealers do???
99 % Toyota dealerships won’t even spend the time to do this the correct way time in money
First great video. I did mine at home by buying clean container for a $1.00. Drained. Marked level. Empty into my used oil container. Filled clean container with new oil to level was at. Pored out what was left into waste container. Pored new fluid back into container from store to pore into dipstick with funnel. Easier to do than write out. Hope it works out🙄. May have not gotten it all out but did it hot.
Doing it three times to try to get fluid as new as possible
Shame on Toyota for complicating what should be a simple drain and fill. My DIY method works just fine. Let the car sit overnight along with bottles of new fluid. By morning, both old and new fluid are the same temp and volume. I drain and whatever comes out, I measure and replace exactly the same amount that came out. Of course, I realize this method only works if it was filled properly at the factory to begin with. Its pretty easy to tell. If your car has 50K miles with no tranny problems then it was filled correctly to begin with. I also repeat the process after a week to get more old fluid out. Would I pay a Toyota dealer to do it? Absolutely I would but how would I know they actually did it? There is no way to tell unless they let you watch which they don't allow. I don't trust dealerships.
This method seems much simpler.
I have a 2007 Camry 3.5 LE with 57k miles which my parents gave me. The dealer told me they recommend a fluid change at 65k for $200. If i were to do it myself and simply refill with the exact same amount of fluid that was drained, would that be acceptable?
+bg147 Yes, that would probably work as long as the fluid level was correct to begin with. The fluid in that transmission does not typically need to be changed until well over 100k miles. See your owner's manual. Thank for watching!
WeberAuto Thank you. Changing it at 65K was the dealer's idea. He made his point by asking me if I would consider drinking water that had been sitting in a bucket for 5 years.
+bg147 That is pretty funny! We are not talking about food here! Forget what the service advisor tells you, pay attention to the maintenance schedule in the owner's manual. Anything sooner will not hurt anything but your bank account.
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Thank you. He almost got me but I will go back to following the manual. There are people out there who believe that Toyota is trying to reduce the estimated annual cost figure by advising against fluid changes and such. These people probably have an agenda or are just old school.
When I called a dealer about the transmission fluid change - 15' Toyota Sienna - they said - it is checked at 100k. A sealed system. The reason they want to make a change difficult is so that it is done by a qualified person. Doing it incorrectly can be costly - as we know.
I have a 2009 ls460. Can you please tell me how much fluid i need for a drain and fill?
Sorry, I cannot help you with that