We shot this about 10 days ago, FYI, but we got slammed with other content -- like that CTS story! Article: www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3261-r3-2200g-r5-2400g-review-gaming-benchmarks-vs-gt-1030 R3/R5 memory scalability benchmark: ruclips.net/video/bSKNfZI3ons/видео.html CTS story: ruclips.net/video/ZZ7H1WTqaeo/видео.html
lol, I guess. I watched that for around 20 min before noticing the vacuum sitting on the table. Preparing to do some Vacuum case cooling tests :D Great vid GN Crew. B)
Gamers Nexus In your memory evaluation did you try and 2400 mhz memory and Oc to 3000 or 3200? Worked good for me by setting memory volts to 1.3 and that was it. New memory controller is much better now. Corsair LPX
Ask GN question: Steve, With the GPU/DRAM/NAND shortages, where are the bottlenecks? I've heard its everything from long lead times and hesitance to ramp production by AIBs (seems like that was almost a year ago), to NVIDIA/TSMC not ramping production, to the latest thing I heard someone say is that there is a shortage in raw materials and existing fabs (NAND/DRAM) are not even at capacity. Where are the bottlenecks in this market?
I hate when RUclipsrs do this whole "undeclared product placement" thing; like, we can see The Vacuum right there, you obviously put it on your table for a reason, do you think we're stupid???
I hate that as well. I use that EXACT same vacuum cleaner in my PC build and it's just sucking up everything in the PC case while it's not booting up. Steve is saying nothing about the problems with the vacuum. Did Dyson pay him shill money to advertise the good things about that shitty vacuum cleaner?
Christopher Willis i used to do that. I built about 10 systems in 2016-17 ranging from $350 to $1000 budget for people. I was really getting a roll on it too until the bitcoin nation attacked.
Ya, I always feel bad attacking Bitcoin only cause their demand helps push more money into card development....but does come around and bit gamers and builders in the butt.
Bandit5317 i did that,just slot in under a tv..with 4tb of storage and 120gb ssds,games capped in 30fps looked great on my 4k tv upscaled ofcourse..play it with a controller then it's a console killer
2400G makes more sense for the one who wants the extra threads and doesn't care much for video gaming. I got the 2200G for my father's PC, because I know he is not going to game but the extra threads he is not going to use and Vega 8 is future proof for any video playback in the future. NOPE I'm not overclocking and using only stock heatsink and fan
WTF GT1030 for $110?!?! What has the market come to... Thank god I got my G4560 + GTX 1050 combo before the GPU price madness started! Sucks to build a budget gaming PC these days, you're either stuck with 720P solutions (APUs) or 1080P with a $150 GPUs such as the GTX 1050 which has an MSRP of $110. The GT 1030 shouldn't even be considered at the current price, it costs more than a 2200G alone and isn't that much faster at gaming.
I want to know, is there ANYONE crypto mining (or doing any block chain work) who is using a bunch of GT 1030's or are they expensive because the sellers know they can get people to pay that much? I can understand GTX cards, even a 1050 2GB, but the GT 1030? 100$? there are 1050's for 150$....
More super useful Raven Ridge content, thanks. Showing the performance impact of memory speed and single- vs dual-channel configuration is really helpful in buying parts for an APU-based system. I've also been wondering, ever since these new APUs came out, how memory channel interleaving and also rank interleaving might affect performance. Channel/rank interleaving is not the same thing as dual-channel configuration, as I understand it (which is not at all comprehensively, I'll happily admit). Dual-channel configuration (and quad- even more so) increases the width of the memory bus, increasing the (theoretical) maximum data transmission per cycle. Channel (or rank) interleaving is a matter of how memory spaces are addressed (again, I don't have the tightest grip on this!), and is supposed to lower latency by eliminating some wait times in the... memory... processing... thingy. Taking advantage of memory rank interleaving would require (obviously) running dual-rank (DR) DIMMs, and taking advantage of channel interleaving would required running a 4x4GB kit rather than a 2x8GB kit, which doesn't make much financial sense when price-to-performance margins are slim as they are with these APUs. But still, purely as a matter of enthusiast interest, I would *love* to know how one or both (channel and/or rank interleaving) impacts Raven Ridge APU performance. I'm not about to go buy the RAM kits to test this myself, especially not in the current market (!), but, if Gamers Nexus addressed this in an Ask GN episode, I would be very pleased to hear the answer!
Very professional job, I just realized how much you are able to speak these benchmark numbers without messing up your words. It's pretty hard to do that, I wonder how many takes it took to record this video! Thumbs up! Loved it!
I really like the little details that you place in your videos, all the dynamic chart layout with the timer on the sides that count down are beautiful. KUDOS
the biggest issue with the super low end is that for 100-150$ you can get a whole westmere/sandybidge platform (yes even the psu, hp and dell have some workstations with 550-750w psus in that price range off ebay) with 4c/8t(via xeons, i7s have price premium in the used market) and 6-16gbs of ram. when you factor ram(140-160 for 16gbs), psu (35-50), b350 mobo(50-70), case(20-40), its beat handly price 2 performance even with a brand new gpu. the only real argument for it is to upgrade later to a 1700 or 1800 but it makes just as much sense to just throw out the whole used rig when you upgrade, especially since the used can be completely resold to recoop cost if you wish since the price of the oem pcs have basically bottomed out and the gpu will have decent resale value of its own.
thats great, but yeah i don't have any collage sell offs around where i live, and those prices our up in the air while ebay has price fluctuations old westmere sandybridge stuff is almost always sub 150$ at least if you look hard enough, so as long as your in the us anyone can get a decent deal, but there is no beating a surplus store or a goodwill if you get lucky
Just built my buddy a 2400G rig. He absolutely loves it! He chose that APU specifically bc he does light gaming, but also uses his PC for light video/image editing, some very light 3d modeling and of course, misc every day computing tasks. That being said, he really likes the 8 logical cpu cores the 2400g offers and set at a very comfortable 3.9/1500 with 8gb of 3200 mhz memory (2x4gb dual channel), it already scores a respectable 1330 in Timespy. He gets very decent 1080p gaming and great CPU performance as well. With a cheap SSD, the thing just flies and with AM4 being Soo upgradable!! He's got an awesome path ahead, no matter how much power he wants. In the meantime, for him, it's a great system at a very attractive price. Kudos to AMD for offering two more amazing products. I can't wait until April for the new 12nm CPU's to start rolling in :D
What if some one is going to use this gaming system as a daily user computer? Wouldn't the 2400g added horse power aid in multi-tasking and running more windows at a time?
Can't believe someone actually tested the APU's at games they aim at, i.e. eSports titles, while also throwing some others in there to see how they do in more demanding games. GJ!
Can you guys do a comparison of the 2200 and 2400 using higher end GPUs? I have a suspicion that the 2400G may end up being worth the extra money if you're planning on upgrading when everything is less insane. Edit: look I get that I'm probably right, i'd still like data.
then just get new r5 2600(launches in a month) with discrete gpu like gt 1030 or gtx 1050 instead, it was mentioned in video that once u up ur budget for 2400g and better ram its very close to discrete combo already that is much faster and offers better upgrade patch anyways 2200g is unique among new parts in that way- its very cheap and still lets u play a lot of non-demanding games at 720p and decent framerate
Most people now know that there was some issues on some AM4 mobos where igpu of the APU's would downclock to 400Mhz from time to time giving those low 0.1-1% lows. If you had those issues, manually locking the APU to the stock frequencies (cool'n'quiet disabled) would fix the issue.
With the current costs of graphics cards it's tempting to pickup either the 2200G or the 2300G and just make due until costs fall back to normal. The thing is that you end up right where I am right now. A few years ago I picked up a G3258 with plans to upgrade to the max this system can do later when I had the money. Pricing things out I'm looking at around $700 depending on the graphics card. For within maybe a hundred bucks I can either grab a prefab system or get the parts for maybe a Ryzen system. Which ever way I end up going looks like performance will be within maybe 10% so it's not an easy decision to make.
APU's with built in HBM will be very viable in the future. The new Ryzen APUs are grea,t but the frame times really suffer from having to share system memory.
I had this idea too. It would make a lot of sense when 7nm ryzen chips hit the market and they are able to cram the hardware well enough to fit 2-4Gb of hbm. then we might see apus with the ability to compete in the midrange.
A 4GB stack of HBM2 costs $75, APUs are going to cost more to produce at 7nm due to wafer cost being about twice as expensive as 14nm and defect density being around 7 or 8 times higher. Plus you have the added cost of the Infinity Fabric substrate making it all connect. Unless you're willing to pay at least $300 for it, it ain't gonna happen.
Despite Vsync not being enabled for Overwatch, the game will automatically set a Frame rate cap about 10fps higher than the monitor's refresh rate to reduce screen tearing. It shows how well the game engine scales, but it doesnt help to use as a benchmark if you cant go above 60fps on a 60hz monitor.
I think the best scenario for the 2400G is for planning to put in a discrete gpu later on. it makes more sense than the 2200g in that aspect, because 4 cores and 8 threads will last a lot longer than some something like the g4560 in the future.
GT 1030+ performance when overclocked. Cinebench15=876 OpenGL=86.77fps Firestrike=3889 Graphics=4472 Physics=12098 Combined=1312 TimeSpy=1489 Graphics=1333 CPU=4464 TombRaider 2013 benchmark=30fps\ultra settings\AA on\1080p R52400G\MSI B450 Mortar\3200MHz Team Force Group Dark Pro\CoolerMaster 240mm AIO 3.9GHz all cores @ 1.42Vc\3333MHz CAS14\1525MHz igpu\1.45Vmem\1.2Vsoc the R52400G is far more capable with quality, dual channel memory.
Ale 821 Do you really need a 2400g if you're considering 2 gen old i3? Might as well get the 2200g and save the cash for something else. That being said, neither APU is going to match a GTX 1050. If you want the best framerates, go with the 1050 (although it's a lot more expensive than a 2200g).
In Germany the 1030 is 80-90€. And the G4560 is 52€. The AMD 2400G is 154€. 8GB Ram is between 80-110€ depending on Speed/Dualchannel. Mainboards are 50-60€ for both Sockets. If you want to upgrade your GPU..the 1050 is 140€ and 1050 TI is 200€. For a better CPU I recommend an i3-8100. Its 107€ here, but the board is also more expensive with 110-120€. It always depends on how much youre willig to spend. The Cheapest PC is 300€ without HDD, Case or PSU. Thats either the 2400G or G4560 with 1030. For 550€ You can get a 1050 TI with 4GB Ram, a 6 core i5-8400 +Mainboard+8GB Ram. (No HDD, Case or PSU) MUCH cheaper would be a second hand Machine....
I may have missed it but: For someone who got an APU rig now because GPUs are expensive (if available at all), it may be interesting to see how these processors hold up when paired with a mid-range GPU (RX570/1050ti/RX580/GTX1060 6GB) as some of those users may want to upgrade in the future. I really hope prices come down to MSRP soon-ish, my R9 Fury is lacking in the VRAM department :(
What game are you having trouble with? I've had good results with (duel) Furys at 4k Ultra on. The duel furies actually beat the Titan most of the time though, which annoys me since I feel like I wasted $1200 on a pretty SW edition paper weight... But its a pretty paper weight at least. Crysis 3 at 4k Ultra used about 2.6 GB Vram for example, but I'm betting Battlefield 1 probably hits above that 4gb limit (don't have it though, just guessing). So there are a few games you might be having problems with (I'll probably test them for fun if you let me know which ones they were)
The GT 1030 would be more viable for the total price of the system if you want to focus more on productivity for highly threaded applications, where you might want more than 4 cores, so in that case you would want a mid-upper tier Ryzen with a GT 1030 for passable graphics.
If you have a tight budget, I can recommend to overclock your RAM. I have two Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8gb one 2666 and one 2400, don't ask why. I got them stable with 3066 CL16-17-16-16-36 and a slight voltage increase from 1.2V to 1.25V
I have fergotten two things. I have a R5 1600 with a b350 and the soc voltage has increase autometacly from 0.96V to 1.10V, but the bios description says 1.1V is default.
As of Mid June 'we' have no new Nividia or AMD graphics cards and Prices are still nuts. Since I personally 'need' to upgrade from a laptop I've considered getting 'a Ferrari with a Honda Jazz engine'- The only thing I need to do is slot in the '1180' when they produce it and maybe upgrade to a 'high end' Ryzen '3rd gen' later or take the $$ hit and get a new MB and CPU and just slot it in. Saves having a budget SSD, HD, low spec ram, coolers case etc which no one else wants. What do you recon?
I feel like the 2400G makes more sense to use the iGPU as temporary and upgrade to a dGPU in the future, it wouldn't hold back the dGPU as much as the 2200G. It's a pretty specific scenario, but I guess it makes sense.
Does lowering the OC on CPU portion improve GPU effective clocks due to power limitations and dynamic frequency scaling based on load? I am wondering if this could be part of why 2400G improvement isn't as much as it could be, or if it is just memory limited.
It's really just memory limited. Games can't take advantage of the extra Vega CU's in the 2400G because the CU's are often wasting time waiting on data to process from the slow system memory. On die HBM could solve that but it'd be so much more expensive that it's only worth doing when space is constrained like in a notebook ex: Intel Kaby-G w/ RX Vega graphics.
I'm still rocking an i7 2600k, with an r9 390, but considering upgrading with something from the new Ryzen lineup. Just curious if the APU works as a boost for the discrete GPU or has no effect on it at all. Most likely waiting on next wave of releases, and comparing prices with last years ones on sale now.
Steve, that Apu for the boot kit needs to be returned man. Kinda driving me nuts seeing it sitting there every video. Solid video though. I said it from early on, the 2200G seems like the best bang for your buck as it performs so close to the 2400G and costs much much less.
Are the overclocked results for both the 2400G and 2200G using the GSkill memory running at 3200Mhz and CL14? I read the testing on your web site but was still uncertain.
It's the best new part purchase option, but I gotta say going used market is better, even when considering reduced lifespan. Sandy/ivy lake builds with a 6/7 series gpu run around the same price on the used market, if not cheaper. New vs used....I know, but realistically....
Is the benchmark for Civ VI part of the Demo? Can a person buy a b350 or a320 board now and be certain the Raven Ridge will work without updating the BIOS?
I terms of future upgrades, someone who has these parts in mind is probably targeting a midrange gpu in the long term. As such, à good combination to test would be something like a 570/1060 3gb paired with both a 2200G and a 2400g and see the difference. If the gap is quite small, it further cements the Awsome value of the 2200G.
hey GN... how's it going congrats on your channel, its really good in fact... much more serious than most of tek channels out there... btw is there any chance of an Fx8350 (or 8370 but threre are more 8350 out there) and Fx8320e revisit? its interesting since many AM3/AM3+ rig users will have those both CPUs as their reasonable highest end upgrade for 95w and 125w capable boards... and since they are still somehow relevant for 1080p gaming and general multitask capable CPUs it would be nice to in-dept review in order for Fx 4xxx (and maybe Fx 6xxx) series users (not to mention Phenom ii on am3+ capable boards) that do need an upgrade at this point, since many triple A tittles in 2018 request an 8 core Fx as adjusted recommended settings... to decide if it is worth to move to an 8 core in 2018 and save for a couple of years and wait for next gen cpus, or to purchase a new combo right now
@Gamers Nexus: I would love to see how 2200g and 2400g stacks up with other cpus when you pair them with descrete gpus. You could test different gpu ranges (low end, midrange, highend - e.g. 1050 ti, 1060, 1070, 1080,...) like you did in 'When the Intel G4560 Bottlenecks GPUs: 1050 Ti to 1080' video. I would like to see if 8x pci-e lanes acually cause any bottlenecks.
I'm so glad that you guys didn't title this "gaming rig" or something like a lot of other reviewers have. These builds are all good for "light gaming" or "esports gaming" but in no way should they be referred to as "gaming rigs" because previously nobody would have built a pc with a 1030 and called it "gaming".
Super budget gamers. The $5 gaming PC... Just need to watch some more RandomgamingHD, $5 can get a decent machine, just don't expect 100's of fps or high settings.
They’re called “gaming rigs” if their primary purpose is to play games. Just like “workstations” are primarily for office and professional work, yet both machines could have the same internals.
I do really like 2200g for what it offer for the money, but there are arguments to consider also for g4560: 1) You can get away with cheaper motherboard. Currenty in my local store I can get asrock h110m-hdv r3.0 for 43€, however with 2200g you need to have b350 motherboard for OC support and that goes around for 70€. G4560 I can get for 50€ currently, so yeah... crazy cheap. 2) You can get away with cheaper 2400MHz RAM. 3) FPS is more stable with discrete gpu Competition is pretty tough in this price bracket. But its good for the consumer.
With dedicated graphics card, the gddr5 memory that is onboard is much faster than ddr4 system memory that APU has access to. System memory is also shared between cpu & gpu in case with an APU. So there are situations when memory bandwith will limit the performance. In the benchmarks you can see much lower 0.1% & 1% low results.
If the 2400G saw a price drop by around $39 to $130 USD, would it be considered a better option then? Ryzen CPUs have shown to be discounted heavily throughout most of its shelf life and its what helped it stay relevant with the release of Coffee Lake. Would you think such discounts would be plausible so the APU can better attract budget than the 2200G?
Will the 2200G/2400G work with existing B350 motherboards using their default firmware? If so, it might be a good stopgap for those who are building a system on a budget starting with an APU, then later adding discrete graphics and upgrading the CPU.
Man, two years ago 150$ got you a crappy dual core i3. Now 100$ gets you a CPU that outperforms the 4770k and also includes a powerful iGPU. Ive recently upgraded one of my office computers with the r3 2200g and a 500 GB crucial SSD. For the 350$ ive spent in total its unbelievable fast, outperforms my gaming rig (ofc not in gaming, but booting, launching programs, transfering files etc.) that cost me nearly 2.000$ just 4 years ago.
For anyone looking a year later, the 2400g has 4 cores 8 threads, the 2200g 4 cores 4 threads, which would matter if you added a dedicated GPU later on i believe.
It's so sad that so many games still do not see much difference in performamce when going from a 4 core 4 thread cpu to a 4 core 8 thread cpu. Best thing i saw was that the 2400g usually showed a decent uptick in 0.1% lows in comparison to the 2200g. Either way i still feel that the 2400g is a better option if you aren't trting to build a low end rig to stay a low end rig. 2400g will also be better for gamers who want to stream or video edit. Only a strictly low end gaming system should have the 2200g.
Love your content, but the only thing that comes in mind about budget gaming, I doubt someone will spend $$$ and buy Trident Z 3200 CL14 2x8GB kit, unless I'm not aware there's 2x4GB 3200 MHz CL14 kit.
I think you miss a factor in this build with a 2400g. The performance now may not be as cost effective from a fps/dollar point. However, you’ll be glad to have the 2400g if you decide to pick a gpu such as a gtx 1070 or RX580. Because of the better single thread and multithread performance you’ll be looking a lot better with an upgrade path compared to purchasing the 2200g. You won’t have near the bottleneck on the cpu by having the 2400g’s 4 cores and 8 threads. Just a thought about this.
I think that the R5 2400G is meant more like an 8 thread CPU rather than an APU. However, just like the 1500x it replaced, it is an odd, lower value position compared to the 6 core CPUs or the 2200G cheaper variant.
It will be interesting to see what the OEMs do with the 2200g and 2400g- now that AMD is actually playing in the same game with TDP zip code with APUs that don't have ancient weak CPU designs but decent GPUs. Frankly, I don't ever want to try and game on integrated Intel graphics again after dealing with two systems (one is a laptop so it's stuck, but I added a dedicated low power GPU to the htpc). Intel graphics work great for playing videos and regular use, but gaming requires regular driver updates that Intel does not do, nor does Intel give you the control needed to adjust things to make them work when they don't.
The APU would be the best one for a baseline build in a microATX motherboard and case. I would consider that if I want to build a Win 10 PC for family use, complete with Blu-Ray drive and SD card bays so that the TV doesn't have to rely on HDMI splitters anymore from so many devices connected on that poor thing. 1 SSD and HDD, and it's good.
8 threads are nice but you are so bound by iGPU and ram bandwidth, it doesn't make sense to pay 70% more for the extra 4 threads. I doubt many people will put this chip into a high end board and add a V64 LC or 1080 later on.
Random input... My AM3+ 8150 cpu & Sabertooth 990FX board also have random base clock fluctuation, but it's extremely minimal... Not sure what the min/max are on the base clock not more than +/- 1mhz, but the CPU goes between 3586 to 3614 mhz, and sits at 3612 the majority of the time. In bios it's set to 200 x 18, and none of the voltage settings are on auto & all "C states" are disabled. I never really understood why it does it, but it doesn't effect anything so I don't bother with it ;P
with DX12 explicit multi-adapter you could crossfire/sli the vega gpu part of your apu with any card in existence. the problem is not many games have that feature yet.
I went with the 2400G for "long term" upgradability. As a present for a young kid, that I want to last for more than a couple years. My thinking was it will play games well as it is right now. I went with a Strix x470 board and 3200 Trident RAM with a Samsung 960 evo NVME. When games start to outpace the APU it's a simple upgrade to a 1060 or better and everything is groovy again (which should have dropped in price significantly by then). When the CPU starts to bottleneck things later down the line, well it's a x470 so there should be plenty of support for better processors. That was my use case/thought process.
What are the chances for some form of crossfire/SLI that boosts your iGPU with your APU/iGPU? The low-end cries out for more performance and every little bit could help.
No low end vega gpus to use. No point in nerfing a vega 56. I would have liked an HBM version, but I suppose the cooling challenges and RAM prices would raise the cost. Maybe this is better in laptop form.
I would love to see some AES/VM benchmarks on the APUs. Im thinking about getting a 2400G and using it for a VM server with pfsense AES acceleration. 8 threads for 170 would be lovely. Does anyone know the idle power consumption for just the CPU? I haven't been able to find a definitive answer and most power tests are whole system power draw.
Damn the view 71 looks pretty good. A little expensive though - gonna watch your review (if there's shilling I assume there's also a review on the channel) and take a look at noise normalised thermals. Another case on my watch list is the Corsair Air 740 which is a lot cheaper and supposedly has pretty good airflow.
Good point and possible test idea. Pair both of these (2400G and regular 1400 at same clock speed) with the same GPU. Then we would know if cache size matters. Very rarely do you have the chance for such a direct side by side comparison on an architecture.
Only to maintain the size they did. They could have also put the full amount of L3 and had a larger die, that would have added cost but would have been possible.
My buddy showed me his list of parts he was about to buy which included an R5 2400G paired with a $160 AIO cooler. I told him to take that money and just buy a 1050 and a G4560.
i know your channel is gamers nexus but what about productivity performance? that might be where the reason for the prices comes in. ddr4 ram is insanely priced too. but 8GB or 10GB might be ok for a gaming build
I think the 2400G makes its case by having increased productivity with increased thread count. And we won't be getting 4/4T and 4/8T CPU's for the 2000 series by the looks...
Bought a G4560 + gtx1050 for 210...a week ago today for a family member for basically the same price as this gt 1030 and a g4560... At most it's about $10 more, why would you use the 1030 when it's so close to current 1050 prices and such a large gain in performance?
Alex Welsh this was covered in the video, was it not? Your pricing isn’t what someone else is getting. for me runs up to 100$ gap between the 1030 and 1050. I haven’t seen a 10 dollar difference anywhere.
1SLUGGO1 no, it wasn't. He showed Newegg prices. I bought all my stuff off Newegg. If you aren't from the US, sorry, I'm looking at apples to apples comparison of Newegg for the US market. The msi aero gtx1050 I bought was 149.99. The gigabyte gt 1030 on the screen was 149.99 and most other variants were 120 to 130. Anyone in the US is capable of buying the stuff at the same price as what I paid a week ago. I checked before responding.
As an entry the R3 looks awesome. If you have the money later you can still upgrade with a much stronger GPU than starting of with the Pentium and a rubbish 1030.
The 1500x is 159.00 at Amazon with 4 cores 8 threads if you are going to use a graphics card that's what I would do with the problems I have had with my 2200g I get no sound from the system till I put a graphics card in then I am fine but 2 days messing with drivers and other software I am replacing my 2200g with a 1500x.
All the issues with video card pricing... Gamers unite and stop buying from retailers. Buy from the board partners directly if they have a shop or from the GPU maker directly. You can get MSRP but reference from NVidia itself or +/-$100 more from EVGA for better than reference. Screw Newegg or BestBuy and buy from the manufacturer if you can.
I think 2400G is for those who want to buy more powerful gpu (like Vega 56 or 1070 and higher) later but don't have enough money saved yet and would like to play straight away.
I'm wondering what performance is like with the R3 2200G and a low end GPU. The thing to me is that the 2200G offers a pretty decent CPU (comparable to a lower end i5 like a 7400) for dirt cheap that doesn't immediately need a GPU. Then someone with a lower budget can just upgrade to an actual GPU later.
We shot this about 10 days ago, FYI, but we got slammed with other content -- like that CTS story!
Article: www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3261-r3-2200g-r5-2400g-review-gaming-benchmarks-vs-gt-1030
R3/R5 memory scalability benchmark: ruclips.net/video/bSKNfZI3ons/видео.html
CTS story: ruclips.net/video/ZZ7H1WTqaeo/видео.html
lol, I guess. I watched that for around 20 min before noticing the vacuum sitting on the table. Preparing to do some Vacuum case cooling tests :D
Great vid GN Crew. B)
Zarcondeegrissom yeah I saw that video. *F CTS!!*
Gamers Nexus you did not specify the AMOUNT of RAM memory used in the APUs in this video.
Gamers Nexus In your memory evaluation did you try and 2400 mhz memory and Oc to 3000 or 3200? Worked good for me by setting memory volts to 1.3 and that was it. New memory controller is much better now. Corsair LPX
Ask GN question:
Steve,
With the GPU/DRAM/NAND shortages, where are the bottlenecks? I've heard its everything from long lead times and hesitance to ramp production by AIBs (seems like that was almost a year ago), to NVIDIA/TSMC not ramping production, to the latest thing I heard someone say is that there is a shortage in raw materials and existing fabs (NAND/DRAM) are not even at capacity. Where are the bottlenecks in this market?
Thumbs down, no vacuum benchmarks. Such a tease, what do you think we come here for, pc components?
I hate when RUclipsrs do this whole "undeclared product placement" thing; like, we can see The Vacuum right there, you obviously put it on your table for a reason, do you think we're stupid???
he has no benchmarks with and without the dyson paste or a titan D
I hate that as well. I use that EXACT same vacuum cleaner in my PC build and it's just sucking up everything in the PC case while it's not booting up. Steve is saying nothing about the problems with the vacuum. Did Dyson pay him shill money to advertise the good things about that shitty vacuum cleaner?
@Ben Willock I hope this is sarcasm. Its a beat up vacuum with shitty tape on it.
I just noticed the blue bars on the side are transition timers. That is smooth as shit.
Thanks! They're brand new. We like them.
Gamers Nexus Genius.
I like it
Its good because you know how much time you have to look at the chart, and you can judge if you need to hit that pause button 👍
I have no use for a mini-ITX APU build, but the 2200g makes me want to build one anyways.
Ive been trying to convince other people to let me build a computer for them... :D
Christopher Willis i used to do that. I built about 10 systems in 2016-17 ranging from $350 to $1000 budget for people. I was really getting a roll on it too until the bitcoin nation attacked.
Ya, I always feel bad attacking Bitcoin only cause their demand helps push more money into card development....but does come around and bit gamers and builders in the butt.
Same
Bandit5317 i did that,just slot in under a tv..with 4tb of storage and 120gb ssds,games capped in 30fps looked great on my 4k tv upscaled ofcourse..play it with a controller then it's a console killer
That Dyson cameo though :)
Shows how long ago we shot this!
I clicked on the link in the description, but the benchmarks for the vacuum seem to be missing. That vacuum looks dope AF btw, best ad ever.
It's crazy that a vacuum can do 300FPS!
I thought I could build a cheap 2200g rig, but then I looked at ram prices..
You wouldn't need more than 8gigs if that makes it any easier...
He covers this in another ryzen vid, check it out. And ultra budget, which is what the 2200 is for, is 8 gigs anyway.
The financially sensible way to game these days is to close your eyes and imagine exploring a beautiful world refreshing at 120fps.
Re-open your eyes, buy a D&D adventure system box, and eventually let your imagination run wild...
Makes sure u go for 2x4 tho
2400G makes more sense for the one who wants the extra threads and doesn't care much for video gaming. I got the 2200G for my father's PC, because I know he is not going to game but the extra threads he is not going to use and Vega 8 is future proof for any video playback in the future. NOPE I'm not overclocking and using only stock heatsink and fan
WTF GT1030 for $110?!?! What has the market come to...
Thank god I got my G4560 + GTX 1050 combo before the GPU price madness started! Sucks to build a budget gaming PC these days, you're either stuck with 720P solutions (APUs) or 1080P with a $150 GPUs such as the GTX 1050 which has an MSRP of $110. The GT 1030 shouldn't even be considered at the current price, it costs more than a 2200G alone and isn't that much faster at gaming.
I want to know, is there ANYONE crypto mining (or doing any block chain work) who is using a bunch of GT 1030's or are they expensive because the sellers know they can get people to pay that much? I can understand GTX cards, even a 1050 2GB, but the GT 1030? 100$? there are 1050's for 150$....
More super useful Raven Ridge content, thanks. Showing the performance impact of memory speed and single- vs dual-channel configuration is really helpful in buying parts for an APU-based system. I've also been wondering, ever since these new APUs came out, how memory channel interleaving and also rank interleaving might affect performance. Channel/rank interleaving is not the same thing as dual-channel configuration, as I understand it (which is not at all comprehensively, I'll happily admit). Dual-channel configuration (and quad- even more so) increases the width of the memory bus, increasing the (theoretical) maximum data transmission per cycle. Channel (or rank) interleaving is a matter of how memory spaces are addressed (again, I don't have the tightest grip on this!), and is supposed to lower latency by eliminating some wait times in the... memory... processing... thingy. Taking advantage of memory rank interleaving would require (obviously) running dual-rank (DR) DIMMs, and taking advantage of channel interleaving would required running a 4x4GB kit rather than a 2x8GB kit, which doesn't make much financial sense when price-to-performance margins are slim as they are with these APUs. But still, purely as a matter of enthusiast interest, I would *love* to know how one or both (channel and/or rank interleaving) impacts Raven Ridge APU performance. I'm not about to go buy the RAM kits to test this myself, especially not in the current market (!), but, if Gamers Nexus addressed this in an Ask GN episode, I would be very pleased to hear the answer!
Very professional job, I just realized how much you are able to speak these benchmark numbers without messing up your words. It's pretty hard to do that, I wonder how many takes it took to record this video! Thumbs up! Loved it!
I really like the little details that you place in your videos, all the dynamic chart layout with the timer on the sides that count down are beautiful. KUDOS
Waited a long time for this one! Thanks, Steve and crew!
Out of the video content you should try building a ryzen system inside a ps4 slim
the biggest issue with the super low end is that for 100-150$ you can get a whole westmere/sandybidge platform (yes even the psu, hp and dell have some workstations with 550-750w psus in that price range off ebay) with 4c/8t(via xeons, i7s have price premium in the used market) and 6-16gbs of ram. when you factor ram(140-160 for 16gbs), psu (35-50), b350 mobo(50-70), case(20-40), its beat handly price 2 performance even with a brand new gpu. the only real argument for it is to upgrade later to a 1700 or 1800 but it makes just as much sense to just throw out the whole used rig when you upgrade, especially since the used can be completely resold to recoop cost if you wish since the price of the oem pcs have basically bottomed out and the gpu will have decent resale value of its own.
HP 800 G1 - i5-4570, 4 - 8 GB RAM, No HDD... picked up from a surplus college or university costs about $50 :) Cant beat that!
thats great, but yeah i don't have any collage sell offs around where i live, and those prices our up in the air while ebay has price fluctuations old westmere sandybridge stuff is almost always sub 150$ at least if you look hard enough, so as long as your in the us anyone can get a decent deal, but there is no beating a surplus store or a goodwill if you get lucky
Just built my buddy a 2400G rig. He absolutely loves it! He chose that APU specifically bc he does light gaming, but also uses his PC for light video/image editing, some very light 3d modeling and of course, misc every day computing tasks. That being said, he really likes the 8 logical cpu cores the 2400g offers and set at a very comfortable 3.9/1500 with 8gb of 3200 mhz memory (2x4gb dual channel), it already scores a respectable 1330 in Timespy. He gets very decent 1080p gaming and great CPU performance as well. With a cheap SSD, the thing just flies and with AM4 being Soo upgradable!! He's got an awesome path ahead, no matter how much power he wants. In the meantime, for him, it's a great system at a very attractive price. Kudos to AMD for offering two more amazing products. I can't wait until April for the new 12nm CPU's to start rolling in :D
love the countdown bar on your graphs. really nice touch.
A 2400g purchase is all about future discrete gpu upgrades. 8 threads makes it more viable long term
What if some one is going to use this gaming system as a daily user computer? Wouldn't the 2400g added horse power aid in multi-tasking and running more windows at a time?
I love the placement of the Vacuum :D The video was so nice.
Transition bars ? Love'em ! I'll still listen to what Steve says tho :D
I really like Vacuum company and I'm really happy that vacuum company still has a sponsor spot on the show!
Can't believe someone actually tested the APU's at games they aim at, i.e. eSports titles, while also throwing some others in there to see how they do in more demanding games. GJ!
Can you guys do a comparison of the 2200 and 2400 using higher end GPUs? I have a suspicion that the 2400G may end up being worth the extra money if you're planning on upgrading when everything is less insane.
Edit: look I get that I'm probably right, i'd still like data.
You don't need a comparison. You are correct.
Dan Carlson He said not to buy the 2200 if you plan on buying a discrete gpu later and only using the cpu part.
Dan Carlson 2200g have same cpu as r3 1200 and 2400g is an r5 1400
then just get new r5 2600(launches in a month) with discrete gpu like gt 1030 or gtx 1050 instead, it was mentioned in video that once u up ur budget for 2400g and better ram its very close to discrete combo already that is much faster and offers better upgrade patch anyways
2200g is unique among new parts in that way- its very cheap and still lets u play a lot of non-demanding games at 720p and decent framerate
Not exactly because they're both single CCX's. Which I think probably makes a significant difference in performance when utilizing a GPU.
Most people now know that there was some issues on some AM4 mobos where igpu of the APU's would downclock to 400Mhz from time to time giving those low 0.1-1% lows. If you had those issues, manually locking the APU to the stock frequencies (cool'n'quiet disabled) would fix the issue.
With the current costs of graphics cards it's tempting to pickup either the 2200G or the 2300G and just make due until costs fall back to normal. The thing is that you end up right where I am right now. A few years ago I picked up a G3258 with plans to upgrade to the max this system can do later when I had the money. Pricing things out I'm looking at around $700 depending on the graphics card. For within maybe a hundred bucks I can either grab a prefab system or get the parts for maybe a Ryzen system. Which ever way I end up going looks like performance will be within maybe 10% so it's not an easy decision to make.
I have a R5 1600 rig and R5 2400G rig. I think the apu's make fantastic general purpose rigs.
Who came back to watch this video because of the crypto craze and scalpers?
Makes me glad I got my GT1050TI 4gb before all of this insanity. JFC on a stick, those gpu prices are high.
I overclocked a 2200g to 3.9 and 1655 and that little thing is a beast for its size and price. Recommend. 10/10 IGN
Nice touch with the time bars.. :)
APU's with built in HBM will be very viable in the future. The new Ryzen APUs are grea,t but the frame times really suffer from having to share system memory.
I had this idea too. It would make a lot of sense when 7nm ryzen chips hit the market and they are able to cram the hardware well enough to fit 2-4Gb of hbm. then we might see apus with the ability to compete in the midrange.
They are budget products targeted at a budget user. HBM is expensive. It won't happen anytime soon. It's years and years away.
Years away if ever, like Aaron says, its a value product.
A 4GB stack of HBM2 costs $75, APUs are going to cost more to produce at 7nm due to wafer cost being about twice as expensive as 14nm and defect density being around 7 or 8 times higher. Plus you have the added cost of the Infinity Fabric substrate making it all connect.
Unless you're willing to pay at least $300 for it, it ain't gonna happen.
You are dreaming. They won't do that. Ever. It's not cost efficient.
Despite Vsync not being enabled for Overwatch, the game will automatically set a Frame rate cap about 10fps higher than the monitor's refresh rate to reduce screen tearing. It shows how well the game engine scales, but it doesnt help to use as a benchmark if you cant go above 60fps on a 60hz monitor.
Dude this is my first video of ur channel...did someone told u that u have great voice...u shld do voice overs.
U god deep voice...old
I think the best scenario for the 2400G is for planning to put in a discrete gpu later on. it makes more sense than the 2200g in that aspect, because 4 cores and 8 threads will last a lot longer than some something like the g4560 in the future.
GT 1030+ performance when overclocked.
Cinebench15=876
OpenGL=86.77fps
Firestrike=3889
Graphics=4472
Physics=12098
Combined=1312
TimeSpy=1489
Graphics=1333
CPU=4464
TombRaider 2013 benchmark=30fps\ultra settings\AA on\1080p
R52400G\MSI B450 Mortar\3200MHz Team Force Group Dark Pro\CoolerMaster 240mm AIO
3.9GHz all cores @ 1.42Vc\3333MHz CAS14\1525MHz igpu\1.45Vmem\1.2Vsoc the R52400G is far more capable with quality, dual channel memory.
Love your content, keep it up!
I was thinking about a gtx 1050 2gb and an i3 6100 or a 2400g and 2933 ram which one do you recommend?
Ale 821 Do you really need a 2400g if you're considering 2 gen old i3? Might as well get the 2200g and save the cash for something else. That being said, neither APU is going to match a GTX 1050. If you want the best framerates, go with the 1050 (although it's a lot more expensive than a 2200g).
Problem is right now even GTX 1050's are overpriced.
In Germany the 1030 is 80-90€. And the G4560 is 52€. The AMD 2400G is 154€. 8GB Ram is between 80-110€ depending on Speed/Dualchannel. Mainboards are 50-60€ for both Sockets.
If you want to upgrade your GPU..the 1050 is 140€ and 1050 TI is 200€.
For a better CPU I recommend an i3-8100. Its 107€ here, but the board is also more expensive with 110-120€.
It always depends on how much youre willig to spend. The Cheapest PC is 300€ without HDD, Case or PSU. Thats either the 2400G or G4560 with 1030.
For 550€ You can get a 1050 TI with 4GB Ram, a 6 core i5-8400 +Mainboard+8GB Ram. (No HDD, Case or PSU)
MUCH cheaper would be a second hand Machine....
I may have missed it but:
For someone who got an APU rig now because GPUs are expensive (if available at all), it may be interesting to see how these processors hold up when paired with a mid-range GPU (RX570/1050ti/RX580/GTX1060 6GB) as some of those users may want to upgrade in the future.
I really hope prices come down to MSRP soon-ish, my R9 Fury is lacking in the VRAM department :(
What game are you having trouble with? I've had good results with (duel) Furys at 4k Ultra on. The duel furies actually beat the Titan most of the time though, which annoys me since I feel like I wasted $1200 on a pretty SW edition paper weight... But its a pretty paper weight at least.
Crysis 3 at 4k Ultra used about 2.6 GB Vram for example, but I'm betting Battlefield 1 probably hits above that 4gb limit (don't have it though, just guessing). So there are a few games you might be having problems with (I'll probably test them for fun if you let me know which ones they were)
Heroes of the Storm and Dishonored2 get pretty close to the limit.
The GT 1030 would be more viable for the total price of the system if you want to focus more on productivity for highly threaded applications, where you might want more than 4 cores, so in that case you would want a mid-upper tier Ryzen with a GT 1030 for passable graphics.
thats what pc gaming is now? apus and entry level g cards? LOL
Well its above a web browsing pc and it isnt exactly a work station. What else is it?
if you are playing at 1080 which like 50% of people are
its fine.
50%? steam shows 90% or something like that
that's whats allways has been.
Memory prices boi.
If you have a tight budget, I can recommend to overclock your RAM. I have two Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8gb one 2666 and one 2400, don't ask why. I got them stable with 3066 CL16-17-16-16-36 and a slight voltage increase from 1.2V to 1.25V
I have fergotten two things. I have a R5 1600 with a b350 and the soc voltage has increase autometacly from 0.96V to 1.10V, but the bios description says 1.1V is default.
As of Mid June 'we' have no new Nividia or AMD graphics cards and Prices are still nuts. Since I personally 'need' to upgrade from a laptop I've considered getting 'a Ferrari with a Honda Jazz engine'- The only thing I need to do is slot in the '1180' when they produce it and maybe upgrade to a 'high end' Ryzen '3rd gen' later or take the $$ hit and get a new MB and CPU and just slot it in. Saves having a budget SSD, HD, low spec ram, coolers case etc which no one else wants. What do you recon?
I feel like the 2400G makes more sense to use the iGPU as temporary and upgrade to a dGPU in the future, it wouldn't hold back the dGPU as much as the 2200G. It's a pretty specific scenario, but I guess it makes sense.
Does lowering the OC on CPU portion improve GPU effective clocks due to power limitations and dynamic frequency scaling based on load? I am wondering if this could be part of why 2400G improvement isn't as much as it could be, or if it is just memory limited.
It's really just memory limited. Games can't take advantage of the extra Vega CU's in the 2400G because the CU's are often wasting time waiting on data to process from the slow system memory. On die HBM could solve that but it'd be so much more expensive that it's only worth doing when space is constrained like in a notebook ex: Intel Kaby-G w/ RX Vega graphics.
I know memory is a big limiting factor on APUs, was just wondering if it is only limiting factor on 2400G. DDR5 should be a big boost to APUs.
It's not just a factor on the 2400G. The 2200G is similarly limited as shown by memory scaling tests.
DDR4 4600 to the rescue!!!
I'm still rocking an i7 2600k, with an r9 390, but considering upgrading with something from the new Ryzen lineup. Just curious if the APU works as a boost for the discrete GPU or has no effect on it at all. Most likely waiting on next wave of releases, and comparing prices with last years ones on sale now.
Watching this on my A10-7800 :( (with a discrete 290x :) )
I'm sorry.
watching this on a Q9300 with a 9400 GT :/
@jonnolags - I am... Really sorry.
That Q9300 isn't so bad if it's overclocked but that 9400 GT... T_T. I am so sorry.
@jonnolags - My god man... I just saw a video on the 9400 GT. Why do you subject yourself to that!?
Watching this on my phone, waiting for Amazon to deliver my r5 1600 to pair with a 1060 I bought before the price boom... I'm a happy man...
Have you guys tried gaming and streaming with either one of the apu's? If not can you guys do a comparison?
Steve, that Apu for the boot kit needs to be returned man. Kinda driving me nuts seeing it sitting there every video. Solid video though. I said it from early on, the 2200G seems like the best bang for your buck as it performs so close to the 2400G and costs much much less.
He made the video a while back so I think that old APU has gone back long ago.
Are the overclocked results for both the 2400G and 2200G using the GSkill memory running at 3200Mhz and CL14? I read the testing on your web site but was still uncertain.
It's the best new part purchase option, but I gotta say going used market is better, even when considering reduced lifespan. Sandy/ivy lake builds with a 6/7 series gpu run around the same price on the used market, if not cheaper. New vs used....I know, but realistically....
Is the benchmark for Civ VI part of the Demo? Can a person buy a b350 or a320 board now and be certain the Raven Ridge will work without updating the BIOS?
I terms of future upgrades, someone who has these parts in mind is probably targeting a midrange gpu in the long term. As such, à good combination to test would be something like a 570/1060 3gb paired with both a 2200G and a 2400g and see the difference.
If the gap is quite small, it further cements the Awsome value of the 2200G.
I'm sure you could just use the result from 1200, since the performance difference is in the margin of error.
hey GN... how's it going
congrats on your channel, its really good in fact... much more serious than most of tek channels out there...
btw is there any chance of an Fx8350 (or 8370 but threre are more 8350 out there) and Fx8320e revisit? its interesting since many AM3/AM3+ rig users will have those both CPUs as their reasonable highest end upgrade for 95w and 125w capable boards... and since they are still somehow relevant for 1080p gaming and general multitask capable CPUs it would be nice to in-dept review in order for Fx 4xxx (and maybe Fx 6xxx) series users (not to mention Phenom ii on am3+ capable boards) that do need an upgrade at this point, since many triple A tittles in 2018 request an 8 core Fx as adjusted recommended settings... to decide if it is worth to move to an 8 core in 2018 and save for a couple of years and wait for next gen cpus, or to purchase a new combo right now
@Gamers Nexus: I would love to see how 2200g and 2400g stacks up with other cpus when you pair them with descrete gpus. You could test different gpu ranges (low end, midrange, highend - e.g. 1050 ti, 1060, 1070, 1080,...) like you did in 'When the Intel G4560 Bottlenecks GPUs: 1050 Ti to 1080' video. I would like to see if 8x pci-e lanes acually cause any bottlenecks.
I'm so glad that you guys didn't title this "gaming rig" or something like a lot of other reviewers have. These builds are all good for "light gaming" or "esports gaming" but in no way should they be referred to as "gaming rigs" because previously nobody would have built a pc with a 1030 and called it "gaming".
Super budget gamers. The $5 gaming PC... Just need to watch some more RandomgamingHD, $5 can get a decent machine, just don't expect 100's of fps or high settings.
They’re called “gaming rigs” if their primary purpose is to play games. Just like “workstations” are primarily for office and professional work, yet both machines could have the same internals.
Wrong, that's never been the metric by which "gaming rig" was determined until recently.
I do really like 2200g for what it offer for the money, but there are arguments to consider also for g4560:
1) You can get away with cheaper motherboard. Currenty in my local store I can get asrock h110m-hdv r3.0 for 43€, however with 2200g you need to have b350 motherboard for OC support and that goes around for 70€. G4560 I can get for 50€ currently, so yeah... crazy cheap.
2) You can get away with cheaper 2400MHz RAM.
3) FPS is more stable with discrete gpu
Competition is pretty tough in this price bracket. But its good for the consumer.
With dedicated graphics card, the gddr5 memory that is onboard is much faster than ddr4 system memory that APU has access to. System memory is also shared between cpu & gpu in case with an APU. So there are situations when memory bandwith will limit the performance. In the benchmarks you can see much lower 0.1% & 1% low results.
If the 2400G saw a price drop by around $39 to $130 USD, would it be considered a better option then? Ryzen CPUs have shown to be discounted heavily throughout most of its shelf life and its what helped it stay relevant with the release of Coffee Lake. Would you think such discounts would be plausible so the APU can better attract budget than the 2200G?
Will the 2200G/2400G work with existing B350 motherboards using their default firmware? If so, it might be a good stopgap for those who are building a system on a budget starting with an APU, then later adding discrete graphics and upgrading the CPU.
Did you have fun with testing this APU? You've spent lots of time with this since they were released.
Man, two years ago 150$ got you a crappy dual core i3.
Now 100$ gets you a CPU that outperforms the 4770k and also includes a powerful iGPU.
Ive recently upgraded one of my office computers with the r3 2200g and a 500 GB crucial SSD.
For the 350$ ive spent in total its unbelievable fast, outperforms my gaming rig (ofc not in gaming, but booting, launching programs, transfering files etc.) that cost me nearly 2.000$ just 4 years ago.
keep up the good and interesting content ; )
For anyone looking a year later, the 2400g has 4 cores 8 threads, the 2200g 4 cores 4 threads, which would matter if you added a dedicated GPU later on i believe.
It's so sad that so many games still do not see much difference in performamce when going from a 4 core 4 thread cpu to a 4 core 8 thread cpu. Best thing i saw was that the 2400g usually showed a decent uptick in 0.1% lows in comparison to the 2200g. Either way i still feel that the 2400g is a better option if you aren't trting to build a low end rig to stay a low end rig. 2400g will also be better for gamers who want to stream or video edit. Only a strictly low end gaming system should have the 2200g.
Love your content, but the only thing that comes in mind about budget gaming, I doubt someone will spend $$$ and buy Trident Z 3200 CL14 2x8GB kit, unless I'm not aware there's 2x4GB 3200 MHz CL14 kit.
I think you miss a factor in this build with a 2400g. The performance now may not be as cost effective from a fps/dollar point. However, you’ll be glad to have the 2400g if you decide to pick a gpu such as a gtx 1070 or RX580. Because of the better single thread and multithread performance you’ll be looking a lot better with an upgrade path compared to purchasing the 2200g. You won’t have near the bottleneck on the cpu by having the 2400g’s 4 cores and 8 threads. Just a thought about this.
Here in U.K. 2400g is only £130 Vs £90 for the 2200g. No brainer to go for the 8 thread CPU with marginal GPU gains.
I think that the R5 2400G is meant more like an 8 thread CPU rather than an APU. However, just like the 1500x it replaced, it is an odd, lower value position compared to the 6 core CPUs or the 2200G cheaper variant.
It will be interesting to see what the OEMs do with the 2200g and 2400g- now that AMD is actually playing in the same game with TDP zip code with APUs that don't have ancient weak CPU designs but decent GPUs. Frankly, I don't ever want to try and game on integrated Intel graphics again after dealing with two systems (one is a laptop so it's stuck, but I added a dedicated low power GPU to the htpc). Intel graphics work great for playing videos and regular use, but gaming requires regular driver updates that Intel does not do, nor does Intel give you the control needed to adjust things to make them work when they don't.
Shouldn't dx12 allow for both gpus to be utilized when and if you upgrade to a discrete gpu ?
The APU would be the best one for a baseline build in a microATX motherboard and case. I would consider that if I want to build a Win 10 PC for family use, complete with Blu-Ray drive and SD card bays so that the TV doesn't have to rely on HDMI splitters anymore from so many devices connected on that poor thing. 1 SSD and HDD, and it's good.
ah but the eight thread cpu will be much more relevant in a years time. so 2400g gets my vote for a system you intend to use for a year or more
Unlikely. That argument has been made a lot. It rarely holds up with a timespan as short as the one you suggest.
Pretty sure they have been shouting But Muh Moar Cores for 5 years now, still for the most part a small part of the market.
8 threads are nice but you are so bound by iGPU and ram bandwidth, it doesn't make sense to pay 70% more for the extra 4 threads.
I doubt many people will put this chip into a high end board and add a V64 LC or 1080 later on.
disagree the fact it has amd version of hyperthreading helps out so much in cpu heavy titles when paired with a 1050 ti or better
2400G is a reasonable buy if you plan to buy a discrete GPU later down the road, since it will be less prone to be a CPU bottleneck.
Random input... My AM3+ 8150 cpu & Sabertooth 990FX board also have random base clock fluctuation, but it's extremely minimal... Not sure what the min/max are on the base clock not more than +/- 1mhz, but the CPU goes between 3586 to 3614 mhz, and sits at 3612 the majority of the time. In bios it's set to 200 x 18, and none of the voltage settings are on auto & all "C states" are disabled.
I never really understood why it does it, but it doesn't effect anything so I don't bother with it ;P
I wish they had a low end vega card that you could do some "crossfire" shenanigans with, like the old apus. Would be fun to mess with.
with DX12 explicit multi-adapter you could crossfire/sli the vega gpu part of your apu with any card in existence. the problem is not many games have that feature yet.
even though the 2400 isn't as compelling in price to the 2200, does it have any value when upgrading later on with a gpu?
I went with the 2400G for "long term" upgradability. As a present for a young kid, that I want to last for more than a couple years. My thinking was it will play games well as it is right now. I went with a Strix x470 board and 3200 Trident RAM with a Samsung 960 evo NVME. When games start to outpace the APU it's a simple upgrade to a 1060 or better and everything is groovy again (which should have dropped in price significantly by then). When the CPU starts to bottleneck things later down the line, well it's a x470 so there should be plenty of support for better processors. That was my use case/thought process.
What are the chances for some form of crossfire/SLI that boosts your iGPU with your APU/iGPU? The low-end cries out for more performance and every little bit could help.
No low end vega gpus to use. No point in nerfing a vega 56. I would have liked an HBM version, but I suppose the cooling challenges and RAM prices would raise the cost. Maybe this is better in laptop form.
I would love to see some AES/VM benchmarks on the APUs. Im thinking about getting a 2400G and using it for a VM server with pfsense AES acceleration. 8 threads for 170 would be lovely. Does anyone know the idle power consumption for just the CPU? I haven't been able to find a definitive answer and most power tests are whole system power draw.
ryzen 3 2200g + b350 + 8GB 3200Mhz + m.2 sansung 960pro 512GB + Monitor LG 22'' @60hz
What are your views on the future of PC gaming with the current inflated price of GPUs due to mining?
Damn the view 71 looks pretty good. A little expensive though - gonna watch your review (if there's shilling I assume there's also a review on the channel) and take a look at noise normalised thermals.
Another case on my watch list is the Corsair Air 740 which is a lot cheaper and supposedly has pretty good airflow.
Are there any driver compatibility issues with the 2200 g
What are the settings you're testing at for GO?
If it ain't all low and off/high shadows then y i k e s
The 2400g should have had 8mb of L3 cache like the other R5 CPUs have per CCX. That probably would have helped a bit in a few games.
Good point and possible test idea. Pair both of these (2400G and regular 1400 at same clock speed) with the same GPU. Then we would know if cache size matters. Very rarely do you have the chance for such a direct side by side comparison on an architecture.
It's not as much side by side because the 1400 is a 2+2 core configuration not a 4+0 like the 2400g. The APUs use a single CCX unlike Ryzen CPUs.
L3 takes up a lot of space on the die. They needed that space for GPU cores.
Only to maintain the size they did. They could have also put the full amount of L3 and had a larger die, that would have added cost but would have been possible.
My buddy showed me his list of parts he was about to buy which included an R5 2400G paired with a $160 AIO cooler. I told him to take that money and just buy a 1050 and a G4560.
i know your channel is gamers nexus but what about productivity performance? that might be where the reason for the prices comes in. ddr4 ram is insanely priced too. but 8GB or 10GB might be ok for a gaming build
I think the 2400G makes its case by having increased productivity with increased thread count. And we won't be getting 4/4T and 4/8T CPU's for the 2000 series by the looks...
Bought a G4560 + gtx1050 for 210...a week ago today for a family member for basically the same price as this gt 1030 and a g4560... At most it's about $10 more, why would you use the 1030 when it's so close to current 1050 prices and such a large gain in performance?
Alex Welsh this was covered in the video, was it not? Your pricing isn’t what someone else is getting. for me runs up to 100$ gap between the 1030 and 1050. I haven’t seen a 10 dollar difference anywhere.
1SLUGGO1 no, it wasn't. He showed Newegg prices. I bought all my stuff off Newegg. If you aren't from the US, sorry, I'm looking at apples to apples comparison of Newegg for the US market. The msi aero gtx1050 I bought was 149.99. The gigabyte gt 1030 on the screen was 149.99 and most other variants were 120 to 130.
Anyone in the US is capable of buying the stuff at the same price as what I paid a week ago. I checked before responding.
As an entry the R3 looks awesome. If you have the money later you can still upgrade with a much stronger GPU than starting of with the Pentium and a rubbish 1030.
Thanks Steve. Now I can suggest this to people trying to build a cheap system.
The 1500x is 159.00 at Amazon with 4 cores 8 threads if you are going to use a graphics card that's what I would do with the problems I have had with my 2200g I get no sound from the system till I put a graphics card in then I am fine but 2 days messing with drivers and other software I am replacing my 2200g with a 1500x.
You could say the 2200G is surpRYZENingly good 😂.
All the issues with video card pricing... Gamers unite and stop buying from retailers. Buy from the board partners directly if they have a shop or from the GPU maker directly. You can get MSRP but reference from NVidia itself or +/-$100 more from EVGA for better than reference. Screw Newegg or BestBuy and buy from the manufacturer if you can.
I think 2400G is for those who want to buy more powerful gpu (like Vega 56 or 1070 and higher) later but don't have enough money saved yet and would like to play straight away.
Crazy to think it makes more sense to but a used GTX 780 ti than wait for gpu prices to fall.
So, for me, I just need to find 2X4Gb of 2933mhz or 3200mhz rams.
As, where I live,2933 or 3200mhz rams are found only in 8gb sticks.
Can you guys make an in depth ocing tutorial?
I'm wondering what performance is like with the R3 2200G and a low end GPU. The thing to me is that the 2200G offers a pretty decent CPU (comparable to a lower end i5 like a 7400) for dirt cheap that doesn't immediately need a GPU. Then someone with a lower budget can just upgrade to an actual GPU later.
You might as well buy an R3 1200, at that point.
But it doesn't have integrated graphics