How to Get Registered in Australia - Competent Authority Process
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- In this video, I cover the process you need to go through to apply for the competent authority pathway. Including which doctors this process applies to and the steps involved.
IMPORTANT NOTE: For the US process you require all 3 steps of USMLE PLUS 2 years of graduate medical education within a residency program under the ACGME
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Enjoying the fun video style.
An annotated timeline graphic or a simple list would be helpful to remember each of the items in the process. :)
Thanks a lot 🙏
Love your videos! Especially the simple way you explain things.
I do have something i want to ask. I'm an Aussie citizen doing medical school in Pakistan. I am inclined towards coming to Australia after I graduate. I was confused on whether i should take the standard pathway or competent pathway (Uk) as i have heard that the latter are prefered doing job selection and training (usually). Would love your opinion!
Hi thanks for the praise.
There are pros and cons for both approaches. We have some more details on my AdvanceMed blog.
I am sorry that your degree will not be recognised and you will have to undergo the AMC process and take the part I and part II (or workplace based assessment).
Hey Anthony ) just wanted to let u know u r doing a great job out there. But if u will keep that written slide for long like 4-5 seconds that will be easy to read thats my advice thankyou
thanks Razi
Hey love ur vids they're both motivating and inspirational 😅
So I'm a English medical student in Bulgaria.
I'm going to graduate next year and sit the IELTS and get the Full GMC reg after doing FY1.
Would you recommend taking the PLAB after this since I'm an IMG?
I'm interested in moving to Australia with it's similar lifestyle, culture and health care system to the UK.
What do you recommend? Am I doing it the right way?
Thank you!
Hi Nick
Yes you will need the PLAB to work in Aus
Best
Hi Anthony, thank you so much for the videos! I have a question, when the Board says 12 months of supervised practice, do they mean that you had to be training? or do they mean a valid working position? (like when you have a manager /superior etc) in NHS for example?
A working position where you can legitimately demonstrate you were working under supervision.
Thanks a lot for making these videos, I've been looking for forvr to find something useful on this topic. So, the question being, I'm studying medicine in EU (outside of UK), but have a huge wish of moving down under. I came up with two options and was wondering which one you thought would help me more: 1. do foundation programme in UK and move to Australia afterwards for specialty training and enter through the competent authority pathway OR go straight to Australia after medschool, complete all the tests and try to get a medical internship directly there (a different pathway)?
Hi TJ if the Foundation program is a good possibility for you. Then do this. It is not possible for an IMG to apply for the internship in Australia. Which is why so many find the Standard Pathway difficult.
@@CareerDoctor Hey Antony, is it necessary to do foundation program? Can't we work on locum jobs and get all competencies signed after 1 year?
So long as you can get the experience signed off by an authority it should be fine. I would imagine longer term Locums would be ok. But if you are doing short stints. Might be an issue.
Hi Anthony, thanks for the video. I'm watching this in 2021 and i was wondering if there have been any specific changes in the system/procedure?
Nothing significant has changed
great video...😎😎
+Ritesh Sharma thanks very much
Thanks for th explanation doctor. I don't see much of a difference between competent authority pathway and a non competent authority (eg UK vs India), as long as someone has got their assessment from their respective speciality medical college in Australia both the competent and non-competent authority are pretty much the same - just that the non competent authority will have to sit for an exam after the end of a year or two of their supervised position AND spend AUD4000 for their initial assessment from their college. My wife got a specialist registrar position in Australia from India. The BIG CAVEAT is that there are a very few positions for international candidates, and the open positions also depends on the type of speciality needed at that particular point in time (BASICALLY it is extremely tough to get a role as an IMG, you've to be extremely lucky to find a position for which a hospital will be willing to sponsor a visa - basically right place right time).
Hi Divesh,
Thanks for the comments. Yes. It is tough for IMGs in certain specialties in Australia.
You are conflating between 2 separate issues which is the specialist pathway versus candidates who are eligible for competent authority or standard pathway. If you are eligible for the specialist pathway and competent authority then the registration is slightly different but you still need to pay for your college assessment like other SIMGs and go through the same process.
CA is definitely better than SP if you are coming here as a trainee doctor.
Hi Anthony, I am a US citizen who graduated from a Mexican medical school listed in both the AMC and the WDoMS. I have completed a USMLE steps 1 and 2 and will be taking step 3 (last part) soon. However, I haven't gone through a medical residency in the US; instead since graduating in 2016, I have been working under the supervision of licensed physicians in the US for 2+ years. Would I qualify for the provisional registration process under the competent authority pathway?
Hi Islam the Medical Board of Australia is quite clear that you need to have "Successful completion of a minimum of two years of graduate medical education within a residency program accredited by the Accreditation Council of Graduate Medical Education." As I understand it you did an internship residency in the US. If this was accredited by ACGME that would probably count towards one year. For your other experiences these will likely be not counted by the Board. I'd advise you to try and get into a residency program.
Hi career doctor
Thanks a million for your marvelous videos.
I have a question I’ll be glad if you could help me with that
I have graduated from med school in Iran about one year ago and I’m planning to immigrate to Australia 🇦🇺
Some people recommend that instead of AMC 1 and AMC 2 exams it’s more rational to take Plab 1 & 2 and then get your GMC registration after one year of supervised work and then go to Australia through competent pathway
As the Uk 🇬🇧 exams are much cheaper and pass rates are also higher
I wanted to know what’s your opinion about this ??
Do you recommend it or not ??
And what are the pros & cons of this idea ??
Hi I personally don’t recommend this for a couple of reasons. It’s indirect and at the end of the day it’s really about Whether you are good enough to get a job here.
That being said. The PLAB is as you say cheaper and easier.
It probably depends on whether your primary aim is to work in Australia or you are looking at both Australia and the UK.
Thank you for your video Anthony.It is really useful. I've been reviewing the video, comments and information online but still unsure of some details regarding employment. To be fully registered under the competent pathway you need to have 12 months (47weeks) of supervised practice as I understand.
Does this need to be with the same practice/hospital for the entire duration? For example if the contract you're given isn't for the entire year and you need to find other jobs to do a years worth of full time.
Hi It can occur across different jobs
@@CareerDoctor is there a time limit for this?
You get registered for 12 months initially but it’s fairly easy to get a 12 month extension if you need it.
@@CareerDoctor Thank you for your answers. If i were to hold Australian citizenship are there any other benefits besides not worrying about visa sponsorship in applying to Australia?
Yes. It means you outrank anyone on a visa for a job that you are eligible for.
Hi, many thanks for this informative video.
I have a doubt. I'll be grateful if you answer this one.
So I did both my primary and post graduate degrees from India and currently registered with GMC. I didn't have to clear PLAB but I got the Full Registration in GMC with MTI pathway ( it's an PLAB exemption). Do I qualify to apply for Competent Authority Pathway?
Sorry no you dont
Good day Sir/Dr.
1. Are there tips on how to look for jobs for the required 12 months supervised training using the provisional registration?
2. Can we get an estimate of the cost of fees/expenses needed in applying for the competent pathway provisional registration?
Thank you! Appreciate the informative videos
Thanks there are videos covering no.1 on my channel.
No.2 is a good idea fir a video. But there’s actually not too many fees for this pathway.
Please do a video with a list of reputable recruitment agencies.
There’s actually a video about locum agencies on the channel already.
Hey, love the video!
I had a question about eligible work locations under the competent authority pathway. Through this pathway, are you restricted to work in only areas of need? Or are you able to work anywhere in the country? ie. in cities such as Sydney or Melbourne?
You can pick up a job anywhere. You will have more chances in the regions. You are not restricted so long as you are not working as a specialist.
@@CareerDoctor Thanks for the reply! It seems that Australia considers family medicine/general practice a specialty. If my training in Canada as a family doctor is approved under the specialist route, am I then restricted?
Yes GP is a specialty. Canadian GPs are highly sought after in Australia especially if you have rural experience.
Hi Anthony,
Great video!
will not having a PR or Citizenship of Australia would be a barrier to get a job offer for the competent pathway?
Yes. But candidates from CA countries are preferred over candidates from SP countries by employers here. So you still have an advantage over a number of other IMGs.
@@CareerDoctor Thank you! but what do you mean by CA and SP? Sorry didn't get it
Competent Authority and Standard Pathway - see related videos about these
What if you have GMC registration you are an img but you havent given plab can we still apply through competent pathway? Because EU graduates dont have to give plab exam to work into uk
Nope not eligible for CA. I’ve covered this in several videos.
Hey there. When I visit the medical jobs WA website, it says that positions for RMO applicants ( I am currently an intern in Ireland) doesn't open until may. How can this be? I hear some people that have applied have job offers already. Time is pushing on and I feel I am really missing the boat. I am looking for job offers on the website but I can not see anything!
Hi Thomas thanks for the question. There are usually two different sections on each of the state and territory drop boards. One section will have information about the annual medical recruitment campaign, which normally opens around May of each year.
The other section will have all the current vacant jobs. This is probably where other people are replying at the moment. You just have to keep an eye on the casual vacancies and see what comes up over time.
Hey. Can you clarify something for me please? I’m LMCC certified doctor with one year post grad training. If I get a job offer, will I have to do the supervised training with the family practitioner who gave me the job or will the board or some
Organization decide who I do the training with?
Hi Rabbiya you do the supervised training with whom ever offers you the position. The Board just reviews the plan and signs off on it if they are happy.
Thank you sir for your amazing videos.. Will i need to do Amc or give any other tests if i am already A gmc registered doctor in uk? Or i can directly apply for job application in Australia?
Hi the video gives you the answers to that question.
Hi Anthony, can you tell me if in my case(university in Russia fully in English) would require to do IELTS or OED? In order to do PLAB (which is the way I choose to at the end of journey go to Australia)
Hi Breno. For Australia you would need an English exam. The PLAB itself includes an assessment of English. So as far as I'm aware its not required.
Hi Anthony,
Regarding epic verification for the primary medical degree. if youre going via the competent pathway, do we have to get the epic verification sent to both gmc and amc (make an amc account as well, just for this part)?
Thank you
If you are just applying for Aus then you need to tell EPIC to send it to the AMC.
I'm going to apply for a GMC full registration but I will not do the PLAB exam because I'm EU citizen. May I go through the Competent Pathway without the PLAB?
Sorry that’s not possible you have to do standard pathway in these circumstances
Hello. I have completed my internship outside the UK. I'm hoping to pass PLAB and then work at a FY2 non training post in the UK for 1 year.
(1) Is experience at a FY 2 "non training" post enough to be eligible for the competent pathway?
(2) If a FY 2 non training post is not enough, where do I need to work in order to be eligible for the competent pathway? ( FY2 training post or a FY1 post)
Thank you.
Generally most doctors in non training UK posts can still produce a supervisor report which will satisfy the Board here.
I have a question doctor!
I’m a European medical school graduate who moved to the UK (but I was fully recognized without having to do the PLAB due to the EU laws) and done GP training (3 years plus AKT , CSA and got the CCT and then the membership of the MRCGP UK) , do I need to do the AMC exams or can I apply and work as a GP in Australia because I obtained my GP training in a “competent authority” country ?
I would LOVE a reply!
Hi Juba with the CCT for general practice it sounds like you would be eligible for specialist pathway for a GP post here.
You would not be able to go through competent authority.
I’d suggest contacting one of the recruitment companies on my IMG landing page.
@@CareerDoctorThanks for the answer doctor !
Hello I am a med sudent from Peru and I'll graduate in a couple of years. If I take the PLAB (UK) and pass it, do I have to complete at least FY1 and FY2 in UK before applying to the Competent Pathway and then go to Australia?
Thank you
Yes. You need at least one year supervised in the UK first.
Hi there, thank you so much for this very informative video.
I'm from the United Kingdom and am interested to apply as an IMG in Australia through this pathway.
What level of training does one get into in Australia once they get a post?
And does it matter if one applies after FY2 or say IMT3 (Used to be known as Core Medical Training)? Say if I apply after IMT 3 could I then do a year and apply for a registrar post? or is it that the relevant hospitals can subjectively decide for themselves depending on the level of experience?
Hi Jasmine you are basically on the right track there. Can you fwd you resume and details to info@advancemed.com.AU and I can set you up with a complimentary strategy call to go over it with you.
@@CareerDoctor Hi, thank you for your video, it has been incredibly useful. I am also from the UK interested in applying for a post in Australia after FY2. Would it be possible to get some more information about what posts to apply for and the routes for registrar training? Many thanks
There’s a course on my website for CA
I have been watching your videos for quite some time and and they are quite useful. I did watch this video but there are still some doubts I have which I would like to ask, they are as follows-
1) for the competent authority pathway(via PLAB) ill be needing to qualify PLAB-1+PLAB-2+ how many years of supervised training (foundation years)? one or two?
2) Once I get my provisional registration in Australia through competent authority pathway, will I be needing to do one more year of supervised training in Australia?
3) Is it possible to do my further studies in Australia? like say Cardiothoracic surgery etc? Or will I will only woking as a GP for the rest of my life?
4) Last question, do I need to have Australian citizenship for the Competent Authority Pathway?
Thanks alot
Hi Srutatshi thanks for the feedback
1) you need a year of supervised training on top of your PLAB
2) you work for a year as a provisionally registered doctor in Australia 🇦🇺
3) once you complete your provisional year you get granted general registration and can apply for any training program
However see below
4) you don’t need citizenship or PR for the pathway but go for certain training programs
After general registration,will there be exam to get into the training or what do we say residency?
Some colleges have psychometric tests as part of their entry process. Most do not.
Do you need to clear just the steps (1 and 2) of USMLE or also some clinical experience in the united states as an IMG for the competant authority pathway. Because I've been thinking of keeping australia as a second option in case I dont match in US after taking the steps. Is that a viable option?
As explained in my video you also need to obtain the required amount of experience.
Hi Anthony, I'm from Ireland and I'm about to graduate from medical school in Bulgaria (EU)- so no need for PLAB. My plan is to work in the UK as an F1 & F2 standalone to get my crest form signed off. I really want to move to Australia for a couple years after this. Would I be eligible for the Competent pathway after doing 2 years of work in the UK or would I still have to do the standard pathway and the amc exams etc ??
The video is quite clear. You need both PLAB and UK experience to be eligible for Competent Authority
Good day doctor, just a few questions and clarifications about the Competent Authority Pathway. I am a Filipino IMG and is a licensed physician in our country but I haven’t done any residency training. I’m planning to take PLAB 1 and 2 after which will undergo FY2 because I’ve done my internship already in the Philippines. My questions/clarifications are:
1. After taking FY2 (which I believe is a non training job in the UK), there would be a higher chance to secure a job in Australia compared to Standard Pathway. Am I right?
2. Doing FY2 in the UK doesn’t necessarily mean that I have to do it under NHS. Like I can do it in a private hospital as long as I have a certificate that I was supervised? If yes, do you have an idea if there is a specific document that I need to present proving my 1 year internship in the UK is supervised?
3. May I know the next steps after securing a job in Australia towards the residency pathway?
4. Can an IMG undergo a residency training in Aus or only Australian residents have the right to be trained in Australia?
5. If so, would getting a PR will help me land a training program in Australia?
6. Do you have any idea how long before an IMG will be able to acquire a PR?
7. I am planning to train under emergency medicine or any training of the same scope. Would an IMG have a high chance to be accepted in these kinds of specialization?
Sorry if there are so many questions. Your reply will be very much appreciated. Thank you so much for the wonderful videos you’ve uploaded. It helps a lot for an IMG like me.
Hi Claire I’ll answer the first question. The process you have outlined including doing a FY2 job (which is normally supervised) would put you on track to competent authority for Aus.
Hii doc@ Claire De Guzman
I am in the same boat
If u have found out answers, plz let me know
It would be highly appreciated
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Hi Anthony.
I wanted ask whether IMGs who havent graduated from Ireland but who get registered by Irish Medical Council still not eligible for competent authority pathway?.?
They are not eligible.
Hi sir its very great and informative video.
I have a question that what is the requirement of Med school that graduate from there can eligible for amc 1 test?
Not sure I understand your question. If your medical degree is recognised by the AMC then you can sit the test.
Which route is easier to become a surgeon?
Enter Australia after F2 year
Or
Enter Australia after becoming a surgery consultant in the NHS
I’d say both are similarly difficult as you need to gain entry into training in either the UK or Australia.
Can you cover the process of becoming a doctor in the UK after completing medical school in Australia?
I believe there are specialties in Australia that are recognised in the UK, Canada and Ireland i.e. if you're a GP registered under the RACGP, you can also practice in the UK, Canada and Ireland.
I can put it on my list
@@CareerDoctor Thank you!
Ur welcome
Hi anthony.if have full RCPCH and a one year experience in pediatrics in UK ,Do I have a great chance for a job and training in pediatrics in Australia or is it competitive???
Do you have your CCT?
Hi there,
I’ve graduated from an Irish Medical School and entered UK without PLAB (EU Degree). I’m currently doing UKFP and will finish F2 in 2024. Would that make me eligible for Competent Authority Pathway?
Thanks in advance!
Yes. As you meet both required components in 2 of the CA countries.
Hi Anthony, thanks for the immensely useful videos you’ve made. I have one question with regards to IMG from non competent country, should I complete usmle, would that qualify me to be under competent pathway? Or should I complete a 2 year residency in order to be a gp in Australia.
Hi Ivan USMLE only counts if you have also done an accredited residency program for two years in US
Thanks a lot for your reply!
+ivan damara no problem
Love your videos. However- i'd really appreciate a few videos outdoors. Also you could really consider summarizing everything you say at the end of the video in a written format or flow chart . You have a nice smile- would be nice if you smiled a bit more. Apart from all this- you're videos are brilliant.
Appreciate the feedback. It’s summer here so I can def do an outdoors one some time.
How can GMC registered via MTI pathway along with fellowship training apply in Australia? Is it competent pathway? And can they apply for general registration directly?
The Competent Authority Pathway is not open to you. You would have options via the other 3 pathways depending on the rest of your circumstances.
Hello Anthony, I am an Australian who is in an Irish med school at the moment and I wish to complete my internship/FY1+2 in either Ireland or the UK. I think that I am eligible for the competent authority pathway once I finish training, but I am unsure if there will be any changes in the pathway in the near future. Also, I heard that IMGs are subject to a 10 year moratorium but it is rather arbitrary from what I was told. I heard that getting into training can be a nightmare for many as well, and as an IMG, I am possibly placed at the bottom of the barrel. EM is known to be relatively easier to get into training, but I am wondering about the difficulty for other specialties such as anaesthesiology, psych, paeds and IM. Derm, plastics, and surg specialties are definitely the most challenging ones though. Having permanent residency/citizenship is a must for applying to the surg college, and that prerequisite alone already scares me, even though I am a citizen.
I wonder what are my chances of working in a larger city for F3, as I am not really a fan of regional/rural Australia. I think most IMGs from UK and Ireland work in rural or regional areas initially to combat the shortage, but they are frankly not my favourite places in Australia. But it is best for me to not be picky and maybe stomach those few years. Perhaps it will be easier for me to get into my desired specialty. For some reason, ads of immigration to canada and NZ are plenty on instagram though 😂. The NHS strikes are crazy and it puts me off from working in the UK. Those countries are using this opportunity to fish UK and Ireland grads, must be intentional innit
OK. Lots of questions there. So I will do what I always do and answer your first question. Yes. You are eligible for competent authority once you gain your Certificate of Internship. I would not worry too much about the moratorium.
Various colleges including the Surgical colleges count working a year in a rural area as contributing 3 points to your application for training equivalent to getting a Phd. The moratorium also applies to people from New Zealand. You may get a position in a public hospital in the city but competition is fierce. Perhaps you can work a year or two in rural and then work your way in. The moratorium should not worry you if you plan to go into specialist training as getting on and doing the training will take the better part of 10 years.
@@beekiat I didnt know the moratorium also applies to ppl from NZ. The whole procedure seems to be extremely daunting and I don't know why so many UK/Irish grads are still romanticising the arduous system
If a IMG does MRCP, gets GMC registration and 1 year work experience in Uk, is he exempted from AMC?
No. Because you have not done the PLAB or completed a CCT.
Hi.amazing vedeo.can u tell me if i can apply through this pathway if i have done my residency /specialty trainingin hamad medical corporation which is acgme accredited .kindly reply.
Thank you
I would say it’s unlikely. Is Hamad accredited as a residency program by the ACGME?
Is there any benefit if I apply for standard pathway instead of the competent one? And also what is th e time i will save ifi choose competent pathway instead of standard pathway?
If you are able to apply for Competent Authority you should always do this. The main benefits are no AMC exams. And CA eligible candidates are preferred over SP candidates. So the timeframe for a job offer will be shorter.
Are you paid the same as Australian graduates at the same level if you are employed with provisional registration?
Yes. Sometimes more if they accept you overseas experience. This varies.
Hello! After doing PLAB if one works in non-clinical role (as functional assessor/ Disability analyst) for more than a year in which she is in constant interaction with patients and is supervised all the time, would it be considered as ‘one year supervised training’? Plz reply. I am very confused. Thank you
No. That would not count.
@@CareerDoctor so do I need to go for AMC certification exam or that would be waived off instead but I still need to do FY1 kind of training in Australia? Where can I send my experience letters before applying for competent pathway so that I am aware that I am eligible for this pathway or not plz?
You need to complete all the steps as outlined in the video
What is the difference between specialist pathway and competent pathway and which is better?
Those answers are provided in the other videos on my channel
Hi thanks a lot for such informative videos..
I'm currently doing my internship in Bangladesh but I want to pursue my career in Australia. To be eligible for the Competent authority pathway would it be enough for me to just pass PLAB or would i need to do some sort of training in the UK as well?
Hi Udita you will also need to have done some training in the UK or another competent authority country. Here is the current status via the Medical Board of Australia: "Successful completion of the Professional and Linguistic Assessments Board (PLAB) test since 1975, AND :
successful completion of the Foundation Year 1, or
12 months supervised training (internship equivalent) in the United Kingdom, or
if the 12 months supervised training (internship equivalent) is completed in another Board approved competent authority country, approved by that competent authority."
If you work in the uk private sector (not in nhs) for a year, will it be acepted as well
@@CareerDoctor If the 12 months' experience is in India but I do have full GMC registration after successfully passing PLAB, is it possible to get a job in Australia? I am currently based in Sydney and am almost done with my Masters. I would truly appreciate your advice as I am stuck and clueless!
lets say a filipino img would pass plab and get gmc registration, then do a supervised foundation year at the uk.
Could I then apply straight for general amc registration, or would i still need to do another 1year of supervised practice in australia?
As explained in the video you still need to do a year of supervised practice in Australia first.
I have completed all my USMLE exams and done 2 years of Internal Medicine Residency in ACGME program. What kind of job should I look for?
Thanks
Probably a medical
SRMO job
Is it possible to get a job offer in Australia despite being a Junior Doctor (IMG in Uk) with at least 1 year of experience? Or they do not hire Junior Doctors? 🤔
Do you have the PLAB?
Hi Anthony, I'm an IMG from India. kindly guide me regarding this process. thanks
keep us enlightened.
Ok that’s a very general request.
So I’m going to suggest you watch my other videos and then consider one of my coaching calls.
If a doctor completes Mrcp exam and one year of training in Ireland , is it acceptable for competent authority pathway?
Nope
Hi Antony, if applying via category A competent pathway, what evidence shall i give for language pathway ? I am working in uk since 2 years.
If you are registered and working in the UK that means you have already met the test. There is an option to say you are working and registered in a comparable country.
Hey sir, I have a few questions.
• As an IMG from Pakistan is it better to sit AMC or taking PLAB (competent authority pathway) to enter the system
• Do CA candidates have any advantage over SP candidates, and vice versa?
• Also what level would I be working on after taking the Competent authority pathway, will AMC 2 be exempted?
Hi. The whole point of the Competent Authority Pathway is that you don't need to do the AMC exams.
Yes. Generally CA doctors are preferred over SP doctors.
Hey Anthony, I am a Greek medical graduate. Getting a full GMC registration in the UK does not require for us to pass the PLAB test since we are EU citizens. Do I still need to sit the PLAB test in order to apply for the Competent Pathway or the GMC registration and a FY1 are enough?
Yes you still need the PLAB.
@@CareerDoctor Hey anthony, If after doing plab, i get a non training job in medicine or psychiatry but then if I didn't like the specialies So after moving to Australia will i get job in other specialities like gynae/obs easily or it will be difficult to get one?
So long as you don’t work too senior in your first role. It’s possible to be granted general registration but only in a certain specialty if that makes sense.
@@CareerDoctor thank you for replying anthony. And one last question is that Non training job or training job from NHS will be counted as supervised jobs for the competent pathways?
If you can get it signed off as supervised then normally yes
Thank you for the information. I am trained in India and I have MRCOG qualification which is recognised for GMC registration in U.K. as well as in Australia. Am I eligible to apply for competent authority pathway after GMC restoration or should I directly apply for standard pathway ?
Hi Neha I'd need a bit more information to guide you. Are you working towards CCST in UK (have you worked in the UK)? It would seem that even if you have only trained as a specialist in India your best pathway is specialist - ruclips.net/video/gHqzokHN-vY/видео.html
Career Doctor Thanks for the prompt response.If I was found to be partially competent, would the hospital support me towards training to qualify for specialist registration? Also I have not done Cct. If I complete CESR, would that help me towards specialist registration Australia?
Hi Neha the term is "partially comparable". Yes if you gained this and were offered a post by a hospital they would be required to support you to attempt the rest of the process. Obtaining specialist recognition in the UK would generally then mean that you would be deemed substantially comparable.
How about if you’re Australian and you studied in Ireland for example? And wish to do your internship back in Australia?
Not possible sorry. My strong advice is to complete this in Ireland.
I’ve spoken to a few hospitals and they said it’s possible.
They will tell you this. And it can happen for some doctors. But it’s a risky strategy. The Medical Board strongly caution against this course of action. Very few are able to come in via this path.
Hi I am a doctor who graduated from India working in Singapore for the past 4 years in Medicine with a MRCPI , will I be eligible for the competent authority pathway. I am waiting for my full registration to come through from the SMC this year. I haven't yet applied for the Irish registration yet. Do let me know what you think , thanks
Hi Anshuman as I point out in the video, the only way you can apply for competent authority from a Rep Ireland perspective is if you completed your medical degree in the Rep Ireland.
Many Thanks for your valuble vedeos.. 😍😍😍
Is is possible for a IMG who passed ireland license examination(pres 3) and worked in ED for one year in ireland,enter the competent aluthority pathway in Australia...?
No. Because Australia does not recognise the PRES.
Hi Anthony thanks for the great video, I'm watching it in 2023. I am a Ireland graduate but completed internship in Malaysia, so am I eligible for CA pathway to be working in Australia? If I ever got a job offer from Australia, is there any chance that AMC will reject my eligibility for CA pathway during the process? Thanks
Hi Joyce as per the MBA rules you need your Certificate of Internship from Ireland. So I am thinking you don't have that.
There is however a weird work around.
If you pass the AMC Part 1. You can apply for RMO posts in Australia. And this experience can also double count for the CA Pathway requirement. So you don't need to do the Part 2.
Do we need to do a NHS job (gov job) for this competent pathway, or NIS job (private sector) can also be suffice? @career doctor
+Amar Saini so long as it’s appropriately supervised
Thanks for ur great advice.. I am Paediatrician from India with DCH and DNB Indian degrees and MRCPCH UK degrees and registered with GMC UK and also worked in NHS for Three months... How I can get registered on Australia..?
You have a reasonable prospect. Suggest booking one of my calls. Or completing my course for further info.
How do I get a job offer if I am not yet able to work as a doctor? Should I apply for a job offer and then wait 1 years (47 weeks) under a supervised job and then work as a doctor?🤔🤔
Not sure I really understand your question Edu. You have to obtain a job offer in order to get registered. The Medical Board checks that the job has the right supervision in place.
Hi, i m MRCEM uk emergency medicine residenct in uk working for 2 years till now. i wanted to know can i apply in competant pathway or do i need to give plab. even many hospitals are asking for FACEM( Emergecy medicine) from australia
You have answered your own question. You have not done the PLAB so you are not eligible for the competent authority pathway. However you are right many hospitals here are looking for experience EM doctors. I suggest you book one of my calls and we can go over how you might secure a post here.
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Hello there , I am from Ireland and currently half way through my internship. I see that I am category F in regards the competent authority pathway. But as of December 2019, there seems to be another part to it. It says that with completion of intern year and getting the certificate of experience, you need "Prescribed post examination or post training experience ". What is that and how do I get it? Would really appreciate your help!!
Hi Thomas the certificate of experience is the prescribed post examination or post training experience fro Ireland.
@@CareerDoctor awesome thank you
Thomas Kennedy ur welcome
Hello, thank you so much for your informative videos. I am planning to work in Australia with Competent Authority Pathway. I have studied medicine in Turkey(i have 4 months of working experience after graduation).After completing my plab exams and registering in GMC ,Will i be eligible to apply for Australia after 12 months of working experience in UK? I wanted to apply with standard pathway but visa requires 2 years of experience in a hospital job. Do i need 2 years of experience on my CV in total for Competent Authority process?
In my circumstances i will start working in a SHO position(non training but i'll be under supervision such as registrars and consultants).Would they accept that as "12 months of supervised training in UK "?
Sorry your question is a bit confusing. You are asking if with the PLAB and 12 months in a SHO role (supervised) will you be eligible for Competent Authority. The answer is yes.
Hi Anthony, thanks for the video. Need to clarify some facts regarading wba,
MBBS+ 1yr internship + amc1+ oet/ielts --> qualify for wba
1) is above pathway correct?
2) (1yr internship + registerd as a doctor in home country) is this needed?
3) if it is, 1yr internship +experince, how many months of minimal experince expected ?
Thx
That’s a complex series of questions there.
WBA only applies to those on the standard pathway at a select number (11) facilities.
@@CareerDoctor thank you
Ur welcome
Hi Antony, If I go to Australia as a IMG from UK am I eligible to get PR in Australia? Thanks
You can normally apply after a few years. You need to discuss with a registered migration agent.
Hii after completing plab and fy2 in uk, and completing 1 year internship in australia and greeting full registration, what level will i be working on?
You can’t do internship in Australia. You will most likely be employed as a resident medical officer.
Hi dr Anthony
Can I go through competent pathway with plab but no UK experience
I have 16 year experience in Saudi Arabia
Nope
Hi- Great videos..
I'm an IMG from Bangladesh and have 4 years experience here- However I want to pursue a career in Australia.
To be eligible for the Competent authority pathway would it be enough for me to just pass PLAB or would i need experience? I have experience and am probably going to get offered jobs higher than FY1 jobs due to my experience- will that be a problem? which other UK experience is considered for competent pathway? don't the non-training jobs have any value?
Does having MRCP or MRCPGP help?
Hi Pushpo thanks for the questions. If you complete the PLAB you also need 1 years supervised experience. This can be completion of the FY1 or there are a range of other options. See this document - www.medicalboard.gov.au/documents/default.aspx?record=WD16%2f22111&dbid=AP&chksum=OrO9EMtN9%2bADi8kKzPQcUQ%3d%3d Having an MRCP or MRCGP helps to some extent with #specialistpathway but ideally you would also have your Certificate of Completion of Specialist Training.
Hey buddy, if I am ECFMG certified after completing usmle step1,2 and 3 what should I do to practice in Australia?
Should make you eligible for competent authority. Did you do 2 years residency in US?
Hi there is it possible to complete the PLAB and an internship in Ireland as a European Graduate?
This might be possible. The MBA will recognise an internship that is recognised by the competent authority. So if the UK recognised this it would probably work.
@@CareerDoctor Thanks for your prompt reply
Sir , what I have heard is that in Australia they prefer IMG candidates via Competent Authority Pathway over Standard Pathway for RMO level Jobs , Is it true sir?
This is correct.
Hi sir I m graduated from Bangladesh and taking preparation for MRCP
After complete MRCP I will get GMC reg. is this will help me to get in competent pathway in Australia without uk working experience??
You should take the PLAB route. The MRCP does not help unless you are intending achieving a CCST
Hi Anthony. I am a IMG from Bangladesh. If i complete MRCS,taking GMC registration and working uk 1 year. Then which pathway is suitable for me? Can i receive training in Australia?
Hi I’ve answered this before. That route does not make you eligible for the competent authority pathway.
Respected Sir , According to you which is the better pathway for me as an IMG from India , Standard Pathway (AMC) Route or Competent Authority Pathway (PLAB , UK) Route , looking forward to work in Australia?
There are pros and cons for each. If you can qualify in the UK that definitely makes you more attractive but it takes more time.
Hi sir. I am currently a medical student in India. After I do internship in India, pass Plab 1 and 2 work for a year as a junior Dr in the UK along with Reg with the GMC and then work for a year in Australia will I be able to get a training post in Australia. Thank You!
Yes. You have that correct.
Hey! Great video and info!
I had a question..
What's the maximum age limit to apply in the competent pathway for a specialist working as a Neurosurgeon in India?
There is no age limit
@@CareerDoctor Thanks alot mate!
Hi doctor..
Thank you very much for the informative videos ..
I ve obtained my ireland medical council registration via amc part one (pres 2 level) and ireland clinical pres 3 exam..
And i have got two years work expirience as wel...
Would i be eligable to standered pathway..?
Yes
Thank you Very much doctor...
Sir after securing a job in Australia through competent authority pathway,Can I progress my career?
Suppose after FY2 I will become a resident....then gradually can I become a consultant??
Yes. You can general get into training after completing your probationary year. It depends what specialty.
Also does each doctor apply for general medicine have to give PESCI? It says in a lot of places that we might have to give it. How is it decided who gives PESCI and who doesn’t?
Generally the PESCI is only used for general practice (family medicine) positions
Applying*
Thanks. Yeah that’s what I wanted to know does each applicant applying for General practice have to give PESCI or is it possible for someone to start supervised training without PESCI.
Rabbiya Aamir its a very complex question to answer sorry, it depends on who is employing you and in what capacity. If you are coming via competent authority and doing a provisional year in general practice you possibly won't need to do a PESCI. PESCIs are more often applied if you are from a standard pathway country or taking up a more senior appointment as a GP.
plus sometimes you can do a PESCI and then use that to apply for more than one position
after completing FY2, how can i get into GP training in the UK?
+Pranav Mohandas hi I’m not really ab expert on the UK system.
+Pranav Mohandas you’d have to ask someone who works in the UK
Assuming I am in my 3rd year in surgical training in the uk 🇬🇧,can I use the competent pathway to enter into Surgical residency or Accredited job equivalent to mine in Australia without writing the royal college of surgeons exams in Australia?
No
@@CareerDoctor how to get into surgical speciality through competent pathway ?
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hi,after completing FY2 should i pass PESCLI for finding job?
PESCI generally only applies for GP jobs
Hey.... If I complete plab and then work in the uk in a non training job for 1 year and obtain a crest form....
Would that be considered as 1 year it supervision?
Or do i have to do a fy2 standalone?
Yes that should suffice.
@@CareerDoctor can u also tell me what the requirements are for getting into surgical training in Australia ?
Is it similar to the UK.. ...Portfolio based? Or is there an exam I have to pass?
Also are there any rules regarding IMGs getting into training? Like how UK used to have RMLT..... Would I be rejected based on my immigration status?
There’s a post on the blog on that subject
What if I granted GMC through Usmle step 1,2CS,2CK and step 3 then have been working in UK more than 1 year ,can I register provisional registration. Thank you
Working as a doctor but not on training.
So long as you were working under supervision and can prove this you should meet requirements of the Medical Board here.
For an IMG who has done all USMLE steps and residency in his home. Would such a candidate qualify for the competent authority pathway?
I need an answer for this question also
No. Because you have not completed the experience requirement which is covered in this video.
I already completed the USMLE STEP 1 AND 2 CS,CK. Can I apply through this pathway? Many thanks for your video!
Have you done the 2 years experience required?
@@CareerDoctor unfortunately did it but not in the US
Then you can’t apply via CA
Sir , If someone has already passed Plab 1 and Plab 2 and registered with GMC (UK), but no UK experience.
What will be the the best pathway for him looking forward to work in Australia?
Should he write AMC exams (Standard Pathway) or Work in UK for 1 year than come to Australia (Competent Authority Pathway)?
Please guide sir.
You should work in the UK for a year. Why resit more exams?
If I have completed my undergraduate training in Moldova(non-EU country).. what are the steps I have to take in order to do my post graduation in Australia after clearing IELTS..?should I clear the AMC 1/PLAB.. and how many years of experience is required before I can start working in Australia..?
Hi Davika check out my videos on standard pathway. Also free course on my site
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@@CareerDoctor doctor so if I have completed my 6years mbbs course am i eligible to appear for AMC part 1.. becoz I have done internship in Moldova during mbbs not after and will not probably get a general registration here.. I'm originally from India and there I need to pass an exam called next step 1 then an internship and then next 2 to get license/registration.. so should I get license in my home country to appear for AMC 1
Hello Sir
I did 1yr internship in my country. Then, I passed PLAB and got GMC registration. Now I'm doing FY2 in NHS . After this, can I go with the competent pathway.
If so, is there any drawbacks comparing to standard pathway in finding a job.
Thanks in advance Sir
Answers are yes and no. Competent Authority is better.
@@CareerDoctor thank u sir
Thanks for the great video. I have completed all USMLE exams and 2 years of clinical training in US. I am trying to apply for competent pathway. How can I get jobs for junior house officer in order to complete the 12 months provisional period ??? Any sites/ recommendations appreciated.
Thanks
check out my other videos particularly the ones about finding jobs online
I would recommend you check out the other videos on this channel and our related site advancemed.com.au
Hi Muneeba, I am in similar situation. Is there any way I can contact you? Thanks
Hi currently i am working in NHS. I want to get registraion in australia. Whats the procedure?
Hi Jaki the video you are on covers the basics of the process. There's more useful videos on my channel.
Hello sir.... currently I am finishing with my post graduation in general surgery (DNB) from India, I did my MBBS from India....if I qualify MRCS in the UK and work for a yr along with GMC then will I be able to get speciality training in Australia via competent pathway?
Or I have to give PLAB along with MRCS to enter competent pathway
Your option is to do PLAB or complete CCT
I'm graduated from college but not registered under world medical school dictionary how can I work as doctor in australia. Can I work as a doctor in australia after passing plab pathway.
You’d need to check with the AMC if they recognise your school. If they don’t then you can’t work here.
Thank you very much for this valuable vedeo, so much useful..
I have passed my AMC part one..
And passed pres 3 exam ireland..
Is it possible to excempt AMC part 2 if i have Australian work expierience with AMC part 1 for one or two years and Ireland medical council registration with pres 3..?
Nope. PRES is not recognised in Australia.
@@CareerDoctor
Thank you very much for your kindly reply..
if i obtained Ireland medical council registration by passing pres 3 and two years expierience work in ireland would i be able excepmt AMC 2...?
iam doctor from pakistan working in ireland from last one year and have passed plab 1 and plab 2 exams which is uk exams .so can i apply for general registration through competitive pathway in australia?
Hi experience in Ireland is not recognised by the Medical Board of Australia so you need experience in the UK or USA or Canada first.
Sir can I apply for australia pr from uk after 1 year or if I go directly for amc exam so after I passed both exams can move back to my home country till I get a job
You can’t apply for PR from offshore
After 2023 Ukmla will replace plab will Ukmla be eligible for complete pathway still?
There’s no official announcement from the Medical Board of Australia. But I expect it to be recognised.