How to Get Registered in Australia Specialist Pathway and Area of Need
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- In this Video, the Career Doctor discusses the Specialist Pathway and the related concept of Area of Need positions.
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correction: 0:54 since making this video I have not seen a lot of posts advertised as Area of Need for very many specialties. If you are a specialist IMG wanting to work in Australia I would not spend too much time looking for AoN posts as they rarely exist these days.
Interview options are either face-to-face in Sydney, Australia or via video conference depending on availability of a suitable site in your country
All colleges differ so may offer an in person in Brisbane or Melbourne etc... it’s not an unusual now for candidates to turn up in person to find that a panel member is videoing in!
Thank you for video. I wanted to asked in process of SIMG , applicant can apply for area of need and specialist. Area of need , any interview after preliminary assessment ? SIMG Specialist pathway leads to comparable or non comparable - depends on that it leads to fellowship. But if interview and comparable then applicant will go directly for Job. If non-comparable , is he able to apply for area of need ?
Sorry your question is quite confusing.
If you are found not comparable then you won’t be able to apply for a specialist Area of Need Post.
Thank you for reply . Area of need application fees 2310 AUD and specialist application fees 850 AUD. Process is same as I understand both have to under go interview - on basis of interview will get outcome comparable or no comparable. My question is Why this area of need have high fees for application ? Is there high possibility get comparable if apply in area of need. Moreover , it’s near to impossible get job without comparability, What’s your advise ?
1. Area of Need is a rarity these days.
2. It’s a similar assessment process. Same standards.
3. For Area of Need they are also assessing the post.
Thank you , I understand. For me I did MD anesthesia training 3 year in india and Fellowship in liver transplant anesthesia 1 year also from india. Moreover I have 10 years experience in tertiary care hospital in UAE. It has same standard work as western hospital. How much possibility to select for interview and get comparable . thank you
I have helped many UAE anaesthetists with the process here.
I have fellowship in gynae in Pakistan..can apply in area of need pthway?
Hi sir,I did my opthalmology residency from India.What are my chances of me working in australia as an ophthalmologist via specialist pathway.Is the demand of opthalmology good?
GP from Specialist pathway who is currently in UK has got Membership of the Royal College of General Practice (MRCGP) holding the Certificate of Completion of Training or similar which are AHPRA equivalent can be approved to work in non DPA MM1 area if they got a job offer from non DPA MM1 area?
You have to work in DPA areas for 10 years if your a GP SIMG.
I'm also a little confused about who actually has to do the PESCI. I believed all AON IMG's GP's have to follow the Specialist Pathway. Therefore, does that mean (as long as the meet the 3 year GP work experience requirement) that the DONT have to sit for the PESCI??
The requirements for who needs to do a PESCI are a bit confusing. If you are eligible for the GP version of the Specialist Pathway then you generally do not need to do a PESCI. The PESCI is normally if you have the AMC Part 1, GP experience and are applying to work under supervision in general practice (but not eligible for the Specialist Pathway).
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR VIDEOS!!! I'm a cardiologist from Argentina and I wanted to asked you if you know any specialist from my country that did this pathway? Kind regards.
There are certainly specialists from Argentina here, but cardiology is hard to get into.
Hey Dr. on the video (6:35) you have mentioned that have provided the links for AoN jobs for NSW, WA, and Tasmania, i can't see any pls write it down again.
They are on the page referenced here advancemed.com.au/internationaldoctors/
but very few are bothering with AoN anymore
do I have to go through all of this if I am planning to do 2-3 years of fellowship in specific subspeciality in orthopedic surgery
Its likely you want to use one of the other pathways.
Hi Dr, which college is the best, fastest & cheapest for a UK doctor with AHPRA equivalent registration under specialist pathway with a job offer in hand?
That question doesn't really make sense. You can only apply to the college that you are a specialist in.
Can you advise from the time the job is offered to the time the IMG commences work at the practice assuming everything is approved , it there a basic time frame like 3mths, 6mths, 12months??
It is very difficult to put a timeframe around this as there are certain steps where there can be a delay on your side or on the college side or employer side etc... In generally I tend to advise my clients it will take at least 12 months from the time they decide to apply. But could be longer.
Hi, Dr. I have three years residency in gynecology in Russia. Also Ph.D. And IVF specialization with 10 years experience.
There are some questions:
1) is this the preferred path if you want to start working immediately in your specialty?
2) what will be the result at the end of this path? Will I get a permanent specialist license?
Thank you for your attention
Hello, Konstantin my rule is one question at a time. To answer number 1. The specialist pathway is the pathway "if you want to start working immediately in your specialty".
Hello, thank you for your videos, very informative. I am a General Practitioner Specialist in Spain. I’ve checked the applicant eligibility on RACGP and they state Spain as a partially comparable qualification. Does it mean that everybody from Spain will get the partial comparability or every applicant has to apply to for the comparability for his own case? Thanks
You still have to apply to have your case evaluated.
For queries related to working as a GP in Australia I recommend you contact my colleagues at MedEd Experts.
mededexperts.com.au/
@@CareerDoctor thank you, I’ll definitely contact them.
Hi! Thank you for your content! I would like to ask you this (I cannot really find any clear answer anywhere) - as an IMG (Polish) with 1.5 year experience in NHS UK, do I need to pass any additional exams to relocate to Australia? Thank you for any information. Have a great day!
Hi thanks for the feedback. Yes you would need to do the AMC exams.
Thank you for your videos.i am an IMG from india.can you please tell any aon orthopedic jobs available that you know or how to search one .
There are no great lists of AoN posts in Australia
I am a pathologist from India , what is the scope for specialist IMG (pathologist) in Area of need jobs. The list you showed on 11:01 does not include pathology. Thanks
AoN jobs are hard to locate. Overall there's some reasonable scope for SIMG pathologists. Especially right now.
Career Doctor if a candidate applying for specialist pathway is deemed as partially compatible then does s/he earns money during the fellowship and if Yes then about how much?
Only if they then obtain a job to continue the pathway. In most cases this job is as an Advanced Trainee. Check out all the videos I’ve done about various salaries.
Hello Drs...m also a pathologist from India willing to go Australia via specialist pathway....what all exams I have to qualify and what is the scope of pathology in australia.
Pls review the videos in this series. If you have further queries I suggest booking a call stratc
Hi could you elaborate more on how to apply i.e. which site to apply for AoN as plastic surgeon, thanks
Sadly there is no such central place. You have to look around.
I am consultant radiologist and interested in AON..I sent my application to some of the available posts but didn’t receive any reply…was it because I am not registered in Australia?? Or first I need to get APHR and registration then I can apply for AON from my country?? Finally, is specialist pathway a must for AON too??
No. It's because these AON posts are not real positions. Noone is actually recruiting to them. I would not bother with AoN. Just focus on the Specialist Pathway. Bear in mind that there's a 2:1 ratio of comparable SIMG radiologists to available posts at present.
Thank you for your video. Is the age above 60Yrs with experience in a subspecialty would be a problem in registration in AMC.
There are some restrictions based on age. But I’m not a registered migration agent so I don’t give advice on these matters.
@@CareerDoctor Thank you for your reply.
Ur welcome
Is the duration of 2 years medical post graduation in orthopedic and traumatology from Moscow state university would be recognised in Australia? After graduation from pg can I work in Australia without experience?
2 years postgraduate training is not sufficient for Australia standards which are generally 5-6 years depending on which specialty.
Hi sir.a specialst orthopedic surgeon wigh working experience in hospitals for 10 years in Germany .can he have the chance to work in AoN Australia? Has he first go through AmC exam first or can work in paralel to do exam in the coming years?
Can the doctor has a special conversation abaut this by privat phone call? Thank for the re ply.
Hadi as OTD STAY IN Germany at the momment
Sorry there's a lot of questions and comments in your comment there. Yes you can apply via the Standard Pathway. But my experience is that the panel for Orthopaedics are extremely tough. You don't need to do the AMC to go this route. If you are trying to contact me I suggest you head over to my website. Lots of links in the description to all my videos. :)
Sir
did MBBS from Pakistan then fellowship in neurosurgery (FCPS) from college of physicians and surgeons Pakistan and working as consultant for last 10 years...
Do I need to appear in exam for LIMITED REGISTRATION for area of need?
thank you
There are no exams required to apply for the specialist pathway or Area of Need posts.
Is work experience required after graduation from PG to work in area of need?
AoN posts are difficult to come by. Yes. You will need plenty of experience to apply for one if you can find one.
@@CareerDoctor can a german facharzt /specialist doctor work in Australia?
Good morning sir
I am Dr Balaji from India. I have completed MD anaesthetics in India. I have applied to specialist medical college (ANZCA) for SIMG ASSESSMENT. Can you provide list of hospital which employs and provide sponsor (for work visa) for IMGS for undergoing supervised practice for 1 or 2 years after ANZCA-SIMG assessment. I am also interested in working in rural hospitals in Victoria
Thank you
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Hi Mr.Balaji.. are you Tamil ? It’s so gud to see someone else is trying the same pathway. I am from Chennai and I desperately need some basic idea about pursuing specialist pathway. Seems u are way ahead in that process and I wish the very best in your endeavours. How can I ping you🙂🙂
Hello Balaji and others following. There is no "list" per se. Other videos on my channel will give you a guide as to where to start your search. Its really best to plot your strategy on an individual basis. I have a complete package for this advancemed.com.au/packages/img-specialist-package/ or you can just get some help from me by purchasing individual coaching sessions advancemed.com.au/img-coaching/
Hi ..thankyou for your usefull videos ...I am a pediatrician ...completed my 4 year residency program and board in sudan ...
And have 4 years experience in pediatric ICU in qatar in the main tertiary pediatric hospital ...had completed plab and ikets years back when I was planning to go to UK but had to change my plan ...what are the possibilities of getting accepted and finding posts in Australia..
I am interested in further experience and fellowship in pediatric ICU
Hi if you would like to engage my services then I recommend starting with a Risk Free Strategy Call my.advancemed.com.au/shop/clarity-call-landing-page/ Thanks very much Anthony
Hi...very informative video. I have completed my DM Gastroenterology training in india and want to practice in Australia...what are the chances for clearing through specialist pathway for me...and if i complete it...will i be able to practice as gastroenterologist in Australia
Hi if you would like to engage my services then I recommend starting with a Risk Free Strategy Call my.advancemed.com.au/shop/landing-page-clarity-call/ Thanks very much Anthony
Generally most physicians stand a reasonable chance here.
Hai. Dr.rajat. I also have completed my DM Nephrology this year. Planning to work abroad. How can I contact you . It will be good if we can share some information
I have completed M.D. Pediatrics, Gujarat, India. What to do to get job in australia?
Finish watching the series. Then if you want more help I have links to services in my video descriptions.
Greetings
I have 9 years experience post finishing fellowship training program in general surgery
Kindly I want to know if I should apply for AMC PART A EXAM OR GO FOR SPECIALIST PATHWAY
THANK YOU
You don't want to apply for the AMC exams its not going to help you become a surgeon here. You should consider the specialist pathway.
Dear sir I have a question when can an img take pesci exam?
A PESCI is not an exam. It’s a structured interview. It mainly relates to pathways for general practice. If you don’t have GP experience you probably don’t need to do a PESCI.
@@CareerDoctor Thank you so much for such prompt response. I have been following your videos regularly, may I have ur email address as I wish to correspond with you. Regards Dr.Piyali.
Contact details are in the description of all videos.
Hi if you would like to engage my services then I recommend starting with a Risk Free Strategy Call my.advancemed.com.au/shop/landing-page-clarity-call/ Thanks very much Anthony
@@CareerDoctor Thank you for your guidance.
Goodday Prof. My name is Ita, I have been in a postgraduate General Surgery training for 7 years. I have passed my Part 1 fellowship examination and working now as a Senior Registrar. I am less than 1 year from the Part 2 final fellowship examination. Please I want to find out which pathway is optimal for me to apply for. Thanks Sir.
Most likely the short term pathway at this stage.
@@CareerDoctor thank you sir
Ur welcome
I hv got couple of questions.
1. How much is the fee for college assessment (i am IMG general surgeon).
2. Is college assessment and Australian med board registration are separately charged?
1. You can find the fees on the college and medical board websites. College fees are several thousand AUD.
2. The colleges and Board are separate entities.
Hello sir can you please make any video on how to apply for short term training programs in Australia..
After completion of MD in their country...
Yes. Its on my list of things to do. However, Short Term Specialist Training is not a pathway to practising long term as a specialist in Australia.
Thanks a lot Dr Anthony
do the area of need pathway require us to have an experiences overseas ??? i read tht it requires 3 years experience after internship ??
They generally require a lot of experience.
My question ,, are there any credentials for MRCP exam in Australia.?
Not sure what you mean. Do you mean what the equivalent is here?
@@CareerDoctor like if I passed Mrcp exam for UK.
Will that help me during my trip to get job in area of need Australia?
No it wont
Thank you for what u do. I’m an IMG with 8+ years working in clinic practice. I have passed amc MCQ and IELTS and also a PR. I am looking for a job and don’t know how to go about it or what jobs to apply for. I need advise on getting supervised practice job. Pls any help will be very much appreciated.
If you are after dedicated help then I have coaching available advancemed.com.au/imginitial
What is the advantage of going to area of need pathway rather than specialist pathway directly?
+Ashutosh Dhanuka the main advantage is there is an actual position waiting for you
Is 3 years experience required for area of need post ?
Probably. But these posts don’t pop up all that often these days.
Hi, Your videos are very clear and useful. Thank you. I have finished my MS(Gen.surgery) in 2015 and have been working as a consultant for past 3 years. What will be the fees for the specialist pathway? Will i be supervised or assessed? should i take any exams
Thx suggest you book a call with me Hi if you would like to engage my services then I recommend starting with a Risk Free Strategy Call my.advancemed.com.au/shop/landing-page-clarity-call/ Thanks very much Anthony
Hi prof
Really helpful videos
I have done my MBBS 2010, MS and DNB in obstetrics and gyencology 2014 and then fellowship and MCh in gyencological oncology in 2019 followed by three years of consultancy in gynecological oncology , all in India
Want to move to australia permanently, as my husband's family is here in Melbourne
Any job prospects as a sub specialist or specialist
Hi unfortunately the RANZCOG have some very strict criteria for assessment that is seeing most SIMGs being found as not comparable these days.
Sir, AoN opportunities for M.D. PEDIATRICS FROM India?
Can by brother who is P.R. Australia help me in any way? Like sponsorship pr anything?
AoN is like a unicorn these days. Generally there are good options via the plain specialist pathway for paediatrics.
Can you comment of assessment by the colleges ? Is this an exam ?
It’s an application and an interview.
I did ms orthopedics in india and have 3 years post orthopedic experience...can i get any job in australia ?probability of settling in australia?procedure of that?
I’d recommend watching my other videos
Hi
I found your videos very useful, and very well explained, thank you for that.
My doubt is, if I want to apply for an area of need job as an specialist IMG, what is the first step? Do the specialist pathway first ? Or Get the job interview first and then the AON pathway ? Or both at the same time ? Thanks …
Area of Need jobs are very rare these days. I would not be searching for them.
Hello, Thanks for your videos.!! I have a query. I have two years experience as an MD Dermatologist in India. Should I take a specialist pathway and what are my chances for application for the area of need doctor? Cheers..!
Specialist pathway would be your most likely option
Which pathway is best and easy to enter in Australia . Competent authority or Specialist pathway?
Depends on your circumstances.
@@CareerDoctor just in normal circumstances. If i have had the opportunity to enter by both the path ways which is easier?
Sorry it’s not a simple question to answer. If you’d like individual advice I’d suggest booking a call with me.
hello, where are the 5th and 6th videos of the series?
Its a work in progress :)
Hello sir, your video was very informative, I have a query about the duration of AoN, how long I can work under AoN and also will AoN be counted as an experience, if I apply for specialist pathway later on??
Thanks
Regards
Hi Sarvjit you are generally working under AoN whilst working through the specialist pathway. The normal duration of these positions is around 4 years with the expectation that you should have finished all the requirements to complete specialist registration in that time.
Sir
I'm IMG fully trained paediatric surgeon from Pakistan. Is there any way to fnd paediatric surgery job in area of need without AMC
You don’t need AMC exams for specialist pathway
Hello sir. Thanks for your highly informative videos . I have completed my traing in Nephrology in India. And I have to work here for another 2 years. What are chances of getting a job as nephrologist. Should I start my application process now itself. Amc exam and IELTS is needed for this. Can u help me ? Thank you
Hi if you would like to engage my services then I recommend starting with a Risk Free Strategy Call my.advancemed.com.au/shop/landing-page-clarity-call/ Thanks very much Anthony
I am psychiatrist. From Egypt. And I have more than 6 years of experience. I like to work in Australia. How you can help me.
I’d recommend you book a session with me and we can go over all your questions advancemed.com.au/imginitial
Hi Tony, my name is Jenny. I did a training in public health in Nigeria for 6 years with about 2 years work experience, what are my chances of being comparable?
Hi Jenny 6 years of training is quite long so should be ok for at least partial comparable
Thank you. @@CareerDoctor
Hi.. I have been really very much benifited by all your videos about specialist pathway. It is highly informative. Thank you.
I am an MS, ophthalmologist from India, with a added 2 yr fellowship in subspecialty of surgical retina. Looking forward to do research papers.
After I apply for assessment, how are my chances of getting into my subspecialty in which I am trained.. will I be considered for my primary qualifications only?
You have covered almost all points on AON pathway. Just wanted to know if my period of supervision be reduced comparitively when I go through AON specialist pathway...and make things bit easier... 🙂
Thanks Aarthy. Area of Need does not really affect how long you will be supervised. It comes down to whether college sees you as partially or substantially comparable.
Hello Sar
Good morning
How are you
I am jagdish banjara before living in India
My adulation is operation theyetar doctor degree
So my salation in doctor as Australia please help and support Sar
Hi Jagdish congrats on the first comment on my video this morning. From your description are you telling me that you are trained in India? If you have an MD in surgery then you are possibly able to apply for the specialist pathway. I recommend you watch the other videos in the series. :)