Debunking MatPat's Hollow Knight Theory
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Wow, my first response video. I guess I'm finally a real RUclipsr now. It's all downhill from here!
This is a response to the new Game Theorists video discussing a theory about Team Cherry's Hollow Knight. Overall, I was not impressed. Join me as we dig into MatPat's arguments and, who knows, maybe the real theory will be the friends we make along the way.
Game Theory: The Secret Identity of Hollow Knight's Hero (Hollow Knight):
• Game Theory: The Secre...
My theory on the King's Pass tablets:
docs.google.com/document/d/1i...
Video Script/List of Songs/Sources:
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Translate this video into another language through Amara:
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Special thanks to Serena, Katie & 56 for creating the Debug mod. Very useful!
Video Chapters
0:00 Spoiler Warning
0:05 Introduction
3:27 MatPat's Claim
4:57 The Knight is a Higher Being
10:53 Elegy For Hallownest
14:09 Elderbug
17:08 Other NPC Interactions
20:51 Wyrm Transformation
22:41 Pale King and the Void
25:47 Throne Room Egg
28:42 Abyss Egg
31:05 Abyss Cutscene
33:45 Nursury Song
34:57 MatPat's Timeline
38:26 Ignoring other evidence
39:19 "No cost too great"
39:46 King's Brand
41:06 Curing Infection
41:59 Monarch Wings
42:12 "...Father?..."
43:03 Final Recap
44:50 MatPat is a cool guy
45:39 Outro 
Игры
4:50 I want to clear something up since so many people seem to misinterpret this sentence and then leave a comment before watching the rest of the video. I say "You literally see the Knight with the Pale King in the same room" while showing the Abyss cutscene. I am not saying that the Knight is standing right next to the Pale King. The Vessel next to the Pale King is the Hollow Knight. But the Knight is still "in the same room", it's the Vessel hanging off the ledge. In other words, both characters are in the same place at the same time. At 28:53 in the video, I go more in depth about this issue, so please watch that section to get a better idea of how I interpret this scene.
*Nice*
I just want to say this while I can: Matpats defence of "ItS JuSt a ThEoRy!1!" does NOT justify the existence of some of his more poorly made theories! When you start to promote an easily disproven theory to a large, impressionable audience that is mostly comprised of young children, you are spreading misinformation!
I still mostly like Game Theory, and he did pin a comment of someone completely debunking him in this Hollow Knight video, but his cringy attempts to be funny, deflective initial response to criticism, and lack of care for the franchises he sometimes covers can get VERY grating.
wow mossbag i went to rewatch this video cuz its a good video and i see ur pinned a comment from a week ago. wow
@@jakespacepiratee3740 So...Is that a Crime that the game company will make a demand for or are you just acting a tiny biy too much as a child?
Ok i saw people talk about this point but then i realized the helmets from the flashback are different then the vessels now
*MatPat:* what if the knight is the pale king?
*mossbag:* I'm about to end this whole man's career
Heh
Mossbag: Don’t be a fucking asshat in the comment section! I know where you live!
Commenters: proceeds to be an asshat
Hopefully all of this will be explained in the next game
@@istvanvincze7411 I'm sure most people get the gist of it. You're probably right, just not sure why you get so absurdly angry about it. Lighten up dude, the internet it going to be a harsh place if you're going to flip each time you see a grammatical mistake.
Also, since you've got such a hard-on about having correct grammar; it's whether, not wether.
Katherine Beckmann
Joke
a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
MatPat : _This is the story of Hollow Knight._
Mossbag : *It's war then.*
AND IT SHALL BE A WAR WE INTEND TO WIN, FELLOW COMRADES!
It's treason then.
MossBag*
**mossbag
***mOSSbAG
“Maybe you play as the Pale King”
The whole fandom: you are not a clown, you are the entire circus.
Colosseum of Fools
You are not a fool, you are the whole colosseum
@@grogpoptart now we know that matpat was the one who founded the colloseum
@@hulmhochberg8129 the lord fool was matpat the entire time!
@@piglinenthusiast5926 but hey, that's just a theory. A FOOL THEORY.
Elder Bug is definitely the Pale King who is taking a form that no being wants to interact with while he slowly regains his power
Truly
Big T
if you don't talk to elderbug at the start, you truly are the pure vessel
This has to be true due to the fact that there isn’t enough evidence to prove it wrong, and that it sort of makes sense if you ignore all evidence against it (which matpat would never do)
You do see him mere moments after a poem DIRECTED at the Pale King. It's clear as day honestly.
Mat Pat:
makes hollow knight game theory
Hollow Knight community:
he a little confused, but he got the spirit
more like
Hollow Knight community: CONSUME HIS LIVER
@@sluggishkitten yea, that is more like it
This is a geuin comment. Have a like
Looks like he'll need to learn how to focus that spirit to heal himself after the Hollow Knight community is done with him.
Don't you mean: He got the soul?
Imagine watching a whole 46 minute video about Hollow Knight then getting shit on at the end
must suck to be indeimaus
Lol, such a fucking perfect comment. You're cool, Vaati. You too, mossbag.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
F in chat for Vaati
Would you consider talking about Hollow knight? I'll give you all my blood sacrifices. 😃😃
woow AHAHAHAHAHHA it must suck to be vaatividya
I've always seen Matpat's videos as an English essay you're required to do on a book you didn't read. You see the prompt and construct the best argument that you can with what little information you have, and I tend to over compensate for my lack of information by pushing that my view is correct.
not gonna lie as a high schooler this hits really close to home
i couldn't remember a single word in that book and just pretended it was politics (AKA: just made stuff up until it sounded cohesive)
Same as you two
Lol, finally someone who agrees, never liked his videos for this reason, thank you
this is so true for his genshin impact theory. he only made it cause they sponsored him so i doubt he played the game for real beyond a surface level, and his theory was very obviously wrong by anyone who has played the game..
That's one of the biggest reasons I hate school. Being taught to write meaningless crap to satisfy a higher-up.
Since wayward compass is a higher being, it is entirely possible that wayward compass is the pale king 🤓
Average wayward compass W
🥶🥶
Remember, Wayward compass cannot talk or think. Its also unbreakable. Meaning wayward compass was the Pure Vessel.
"i am literally shaking and crying right now" says mossbag, in the most monotone voice ever
That's just what he sounds like when he's crying and he's constantly sobbing during every single one of his videos
You have 666 likes
I wait know it's 667
ever heard of david 504
Captain Holt in real life.
carlost died Hahaha
Matpat: the knight is actually PK
mossbag: I sleep
Matpat: Hornet is void
mossbag: HOLD IT RIGHT THERE PARTNER
hornet IS VOID
@@wyleeecolee215 reeeeeeeee
@@wyleeecolee215 then why are you here infidel?
@@luvluv7727 LISTEN HERE BUSTER SHES BLACK.VOID IS BLACK THE ONLY ANSWER IS
hornet is void
@@wyleeecolee215 seriously? She can't be void, she didn't come from the Abyss; Hera hid her away to keep the Pale King from yeeting her ass into the Abyss and killing her. There is a secret nursery near Hera's lair where Hornet was raised.
"You the challenge met"
Of course. Menderbug met the challenge of fixing the sign at the top of the forgotten crossroads that we keep breaking.
Menderbug is the Pale King = confirmed
@@1umbreon4life that implies the pale king would bother getting up to do anything in person
@@wildfire9280I apologize in advance for the wildly inappropriate response I'm about to give to this comment.
He "got up" to "do" the White Lady "in person" if you know what I mean 😏
@@1umbreon4life this is a certified "hot bug sex" moment
@@1umbreon4life Damn. This implies he only did it once. And dont forget Herra. He was getting up close and personal often.
That image with Mat's face on a primal aspid is honestly one of the most powerful insults I've seen.
Maybe the real pale king was the friends we made along the way.
LMAOO
quirrel was the pale king all along
Quirrel?! Are you crazy? Obviously, the pale king transformation has to be very powerful, and who is the most powerful bug in all of Hallownest, ZOTE THE MIGHTY!!
All the friends we made along the way are dead
You have no FUCKING idea how long I laughed to this
Thank You
mossbag: *complains about mis-gendering the vessels*
also mossbag: *calls the vessels bugs despite the godhome statue stating that they're not bugs*
Haha you got me
mossbag At least you admit it!
"did you just assume my fucking species"
Saprogeist boooo
...so what are they?
I think it's more interesting to see the Knight as a reborn Pale King in a less literal sense. The Knight continues the King's mission and succeeds where he failed. They become the new king, they fight the Radiance, and they bring peace to the kingdom. It's more interesting to me to see the story as a child surpassing their father. The Knight to me has always been compelling because I see them as unremarkable for a vessel. They weren't somehow the chosen one. The Hollow Knight was, and being groomed for their role is exactly what made them unfit to fulfill it. The Knight instead is special only because they are the one that succeeded. The Pale King failed. His story is over.
The knight did became the king after radiant for 1 second he just want a speed run of being the fastest king to die
@@johnthefool8462 died faster than William Henry Harrison as President
To me is pretty naive and almost cute that MatPat says "Yoi can't just be another failed experiment" when the game heavily implies that yes, you fell down the pit of the Birthplace and so are, in the Pale King's eyes just another failure. It's almost like he demands that all game protagonists are also the main hero, which HK blows away with the Memorial to the Hollow Knight, which gives to the classical "We were never THE hollow knight" moment. Truly beautiful, and one of the few moments which remained true in the game: you have to earn the King's brand, and even then you never get put on a pedestal by "commoners" like Elderbug. Only Hornet knows and still treats you... well, like a slightly irritable older sister :,,)
It's the complete opposite of the "Chosen One" troupe because someone else got that role, and is so rare people who escape into media give the protagonist status for granted when in reality stripping them of their "golden aura" makes them much more relatable, human and their feats even greater, like an underdog that won despite having been dealt a bad set of cards. Furthermore, the Kingdom doesn't need another failing symbol: Hallownest' story ended with an unknown hero.
The reason why the npc in the palace are bowing to you is because they mistake you with the hollow knight. At this point the hollow knight is known to be the sacrifice for hollownest and they also see it as an royale cause it chills with the king also probably knowing that it's the the kings child. The knight's appearance comes the closest to the hollow knight among all the children we have seen.
I always thought it was the king's brand that did it, but this is an option too!
@@queen-lilyorjiako268 Same reaction without it, going by the video
Matpat: think about it, have you ever seen the knight and the pale king in the same place?
mossbag: yes
The horns aren't even the same though
@@KaitoTheIncubus thats the hollow knight the one hanging on the edge is the young hollow knight. the knight is clinging to the ledge
Icey Boss The character you play as in the game isn’t the Hollow Knight. That’s the character we see who’s leaving with the Pale King. We play the one hanging off the ledge, he’s just known as The Knight.
@@sulmansj3610 or ghost. Or vessel. Or god of gods
Generally it’s sort of like a message for your future telling your future self what to do
*1am*
Ok I’m going to sleep
Mossbag:*uploads video*
Me:
*i don’t need sleep, I need answers*
True true
here is 12:22 pm
Hell yeah...
australia?
here is 12:32... I have to work... and I need answers too
MatPat: "look, all I'm saying is: I've never seen the Knight and the Pale King in the same room.."
*the entire hollow knight community*: "...who's gonna tell him?"
You don't really need to dig deep into the game to undermine MattPat's theory. You just need to talk to Jinn in steel soul mode.
She tells you explicitly that you don't have a soul. Which means it's impossible for you to be a reincarnation. Done and done.
Nahh we can go further than that! Just idk playing the game!! And completing it gives u the full picture of the story n stuff 😂 I feel Matt actually did no research nor even played hollow knight before making his video 🤦♀️
You can find contradictions within his own theory lmao. You don't even need to play the game, MatPat openly contradicts himself within the same video he made
"there's no way that we are just nobody"- matpat
THATS THE POINT OF THE GAME MY HOMIE.
No cost too great.
No mind to think.
No will to break.
No voice to cry in suffering.
additional observation: Wouldn't the dreamers recognize the Pale King? Luriel fanatically wants to obey the Pale King no matter what, you would think the Pale King would give her a little *wink wink* "I'll be back".
@@Zzzooooppp I think it's Lurian and they're the only male dreamer.
E Lisa ya u rite
@@Zzzooooppp bruh it's Lurien and he is definitely a dude.
MatPat: says his theory is probably wrong
Hollow Knight Community: YOU DON'T SAY
At least we agree on that!
No matter if you believe hornet is void or not can we all come together and kick the dead unrevivable horse that is matpats (horrible no good very bad) theory
**Everyone
So dang true
Was going to upvote, but you're at 413....
honestly team cherry should have done a Path of Pain type thing as a route between The Abyss and Deepnest. Only make it super cramped and REALLY hidden away, maybe somewhere in the sprawl of the birthplace.
I used to think that the flashback sequence is pale king disposing off the other vessels, and we, the knight, just latching on for last time, and failed, and then somehow it traveled safely through abyss to outside of hallownest and his memory disappeared
but then i remembered that the birthplace and the exit to the kingdom are way too far away and its not possible
@@sleeper6548 i have a good feeling that after the abyss was sealed the other siblings were able to escape through a hole in the abyss to deepnest, which is why we find so many dead siblings by nosk, aswell as the voided part of deepnest, also we can look at the hole in the cealing where we need to use howling wraiths, most probably where they climbed out of, deepnest aswell is very close to greenpath, but more importantly deepnest is insanely close to where we find the broken vessel, and greenpath is directly beneath howling cliffs, also another look is that we find another vessel, killed by hornet in her arena, if the path is correct this is a path from the abyss toward the top of the map by howling cliffs. this is an insane reach(this is a personal feel), but i feel our knight climbed out, managed to escape nosk and evade hornet, and leave hallownest. only problem i have is where the connections are, as there arent many, but also their is a chance of this
Pale king's third form was mister mushroom, he died then hatched from that eg to the right, wrote some lore, then realizes that "kingdoms rise and fall to dust" and that he needs to readjust his life plan
His theory only makes sense if you've never played the game
You can say that about 90% of his videos. The only YT channel I dislike more is Cinema Sins.
Agreed, totally made sense when I hadn't played it, now that I have. Its so wrong it kinda hurts me.
@@TSBJunkie I mean it’s all up to interpretation. It doesn’t have to make sense to be enjoyed. I just like hearing what others think
Exact same thing
@@TSBJunkie but why
20:00 king. Your troubles. Lettuce.
God dammit
Oh yeah XD
you gotta eat the lettuce
Exactly what I was thinking
Kakyoin: You gonna eat that lettuce?
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It feels like MatPat was trying to shoehorn in common videogame storytelling tropes he's theorized about before in other games, like "the player character is actually multiple important characters" or "someone's trying to achieve eternal life".
That last one is his fnaf contagion spreading
Yeah, This comment summed up what i felt about the theory
Another crucial flaw with his theory is that we see multiple void eggs that the vessels supposedly hatched from(in the background of the abyss). This would mean that the pale king had multiple hatching points, or that because it's already confirmed that the white lady and the pale king made several eggs that the egg the player hatched from was an ordinary vessel egg with no reincarnation.
A 46-minute video with no mid-roll ads bro I f****** love
I wonder how he gets money for doing youtube. Pure pasion? Is he a pure vessel?
DIXYPROO if he was pure, he wouldn’t respond. No mind to think, you know.
wait. i just watched a 46 minute video? oh.
Instead of midrolled we got rickrolled!
I use Ad-block
MWA HAHA Ha
HK got on trending. No cost too great.
Perfect xD I love references to pale king's weird ass dialogue
No ads to demonitize
actually if we go by this logic, we should have prevented amtpat from doing this video if we could, considering it is easy to know his theory is going to be wrong even before he does it and maybe even he knows,too since he might have done the video because of trending silksong. So by that logic, he spread misinformation and mossbag can't fix it as his videos are watched less hence why we should have prevented.
Now imagine we could actually prevent it. Then the thanos meme would be like:'' Hardest decisions require the strongest wills'' because we prevented misinformation at the cost of hollow knight's trend. That is the real no cost too great if you ask me.
The only way things can good is basically if mossbag's video gets famous making it a win win sutiation.
@@ismetcancelik5052 You're a brainlet.
he got mossbag to make content, truly a god among men.
matpat had a lot to talk about, like rocket science behind Mr mushroom(see what i did there?), hornet's geno types, is it possible for mace bug to survive after false knight battle,...
and he ended up with this
I like how you provided irrefutable evidence that the knight isn’t the pale king within the first 10th of the video with the shot of the knight and the pale king in the same room but then you just kept going for another 40 minutes.😂
To quote brennan lee mulligan, "sometimes you get it wrong and sometimes You Get It **Wrong**"
what if you
wanted to make a theory
but mossbag said:
0:00-46:43
Sorry i didn't understand... Can you translate to Morse code?
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The conclusion I gathered from this video is that Zote is the Pale King.
I mean they're both dicks so maybe
Mindless Scientist Oof that’s fair
@@mindlessscientist3772 One is a self centered dick.
@@lorax1274 That's not entirely selfish.
@@RommekePommeke "True capitain sinks with his ship"
To your point about how the Royal Retainers react to the Knight: I've always interpreted White Palace as a dream from the perspective of the Pale King.
His retainers bow to him, wishing he would defer his problems to them so they could alleviate the weight of the crown a bit.
The traps, possibly a reference to his feeling like there were treachery around every corner, with the infection's effects being likely unpredictable and unrecognizable in its early stages - or if you lump the traps with the Kingsmoulds, then they're mental defenses from a mind that ahs had extensive experience with dreams, hence why the Pale King's dream is the only one that's actually a properly fleshed-out level (though the only other dreams we physically enter, save the sculpted ones of Dreamers and the Radiance-filled mind of the Hollow Knight, are those of the infected, which could easily have a lot to do with the vast emptiness within) and viewing them as defense mechanisms is also how I've always been viewing the Dream Bosses - you only see them in the dreams of their original bodies, and it is them at their strongest - or more likely, as their minds perceive their strengths, embellished by their egos.
The palace itself is much larger than the throne room where we find the Pale King's corpse, or perhaps his next, cast-off shell? I dunno, he shed form once before, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it again. But you rarely access dreams from those that are still alive, and it seems odd that one of his shells, and not the other, would have a fleshed out dream world. The lore always implied that it was the actual White Palace, but I've always interpreted the entirety of the dream areas the way Psychonauts describes them - reflections of the dreamer's psyche.
I think the reason the vessels are able to read the tablets in the kings pass is because they are higher beings. The pale king is a higher being, the white lady is a higher being, and the void is kinda a higher being, so the vessels should be higher beings. Also in the godhome ending the knight turns into the shade lord, which is a higher being, so maybe the reason the knight isn't as powerful as other higher beings is because they haven't turned into their powerful form.
I think matpat forgot that when two gods have a child, that usually makes another god
"Usually" he said mite not happen but you are correct Usually
Ps:sorry falcon_girl64
@@rosedoingallofyourdares9524 usually is a loose word here genetics don’t work like that if two parents have blue eyes their kid is going to have blue eyes (unless the milkman). Do you see where I’m going with this.
And a primordial ooze which can form a god and power a kingdom he can kick your ass basically
Just look at ancient pantheons like the Greek and Roman ones, Zeus created a whole lot of half gods and full gods.
@@yeetmcyeetalot5979 That's not how genetics work either. Just because both parents have blue eyes doesn't mean the child will have blue eyes, neccecarily.
the pale king could turn himself into a pickle,
it would be the funniest shit hollownest's ever seen
...
*I’m Pickle King*
No I’m not sorry.
Actually, Pale King was a BIG long white pickle with a lotta teeth
when the tablets refer to higer being it refers to the pickle
Pickles *are* canon because of the art book
I TURNED MYSELF INTO A PICKLE HORNEEEEET I'M PICKLE KIIIIIIING
9:10 I see that union was very important to the pale king, he truly never gave up on it
Well done! Big brain commentary in response to a big brain reference. The internet is awesome sometimes 😁
Never letting down my expectations
@@HurricaneKXZ and never letting them go
Mattpat: You are a king, THE king!
Me: well yeah, obviously. Kingsbrand makes you the king of hallownest.
Mattpat: you are playing as the pale king
Me: wait what? *visible confusion*
Matpat: "It seems you're related to royalty!"
Me: "Well yeah, you're literally one of his kid-"
Matpat: "So you must be the reincarnation of the pale king after he planned out a scheme to self-resurrect via void, self-exile to protect himself from an infection he can apparently cure, then come back to actually cure it!! :)"
Some real big brain moves.
@@Winasaurus why didn’t he just cure it in the first place? That sounds dumb.
Idk why Matpat went the lore theory route for Hollow Knight. Hollow Knight has extensive lore that's already well understood and just about fully excavated, so literally any theory he put out would have to make some leaps and ignore some points. That's sort of the issue with his format. When the fans ask you for a video about a game that already has deep lore and a community surrounding it, there ain't much room for fan theories. If I were Matpat and were asked to make a Hollow Knight video, I'd try to something more related to entomology or soil science. Maybe try to frame the Radiance plague as a real life parasitic infection that controls insect minds. There's a lot to work with tangentially related to Hollow Knight, but not much further you can take the lore of the game itself.
Matpat's best episodes are the ones where he uses elements from the game he's discussing to teach you actual science. Teaching mendelian genetics by speculating about who Rosalina's parents are. Discussing the ecological implications of the Bee movie. Explaining the stages of grief using Majora's Mask. Those are the Game Theory episodes I remember.
I agree. Just look at his recent Kirby videos. His first one was a bit more about story and lore, which got such huge backlash that he canceled the part 2 and instead made a video relating to the science of how Kirby flies. So he knows the science-y videos are less controversial. I get that he's just trying to do his own thing, but it's a little disheartening when his video seems to ignore all of the research this community has put into understanding this game. It wouldn't even take that much work. Just watching my videos would have been enough to show him a few serious flaws in his theory.
But now that you mention it, a video connecting Hollow Knight back to the real-life entomology that might have inspired it sounds really interesting. Maybe I'll just make it.
Also, your content is great! It's nice to see you here! Also also, I saw you in the comments section of a ska video, and that made you 100 times cooler in my book.
@@mossbag69 haha, if there's three things I can't get enough of, it's entomology, ska music, and youtube videos. Hit me up on twitter if you want any help with that entomology video!
Will do! Don't stop skanking, my friend
ruclips.net/video/zKDijIVqSxo/видео.html this video from superforge is a great example of making a fan theory outside lore discussion, and what ideally could have been MatPat's theory
@@TierZoo I keep thinking you can't get cooler, and then I find you making well-thought out comments on all sorts of interesting videos throughout RUclips. You just keep bringing positivity wherever you go, and it makes me feel better about this site. Don't stop rocking anytime soon. :)
There is no Knight, its just Elderbug moving really fast
Pardon?
As you do
thank you, everyone just assumes the character we play as is not elderbug. if you look at the big picture, you can see that when the character is in dirtmouth, not moving, so is elderbug. that proves elderbug is the character we play as.
Best theory
Thank God someone said it
I always thought the “higher being” was us, the player, not any of the characters in the game. Anyone can read them but then message is for the person holding the controller
I'm very much doubting they would do that, breaking the fourth wall in such a lore heavy game is weird
But that could explain the button prompts when you read the tutorial ones
Honestly though, every time someone debunks Mat's theories they're labeled as toxic by some of his fans. And Mat is wrong more often than one would think.
Yeah this is more true than I’d like to admit even with his recent depart from RUclips. I don’t have a problem with people simply being loyal to their favorite RUclipsrs, but it’s almost sort of cultish and almost a bit disturbing imo. Might just be me though idk
The Knight: *literally in the same room as the Wyrm*
MatPat: "I'm just gonna pretend I didn't see that"
Hornet: *says at the black egg temple you and her are siblings*
Mat:i'm just gonna pretend i didn't see that
all of you pretend as if pale king wasnt a shapeshifting demigod. if he is all of your comments are invalid
@@gilsai4990 Nothing indicates he was a shapeshifter... he transformed *once* because his life as a Wyrm ended. That's it.
@@ExileTwilight than matpat's theory is even more likely
@@gilsai4990 Someone wasn't paying attention to either this video or any of the lore in the game.
MatPat: talks about Hollow Knight mentioning mossbag
mossbag: YOU COME INTO MY HOUSE WITH YOUR HALFBAKED LORE?!
meh, 3/4 baked. there's a lot of contradictions and team cherry has said before there's no canon lore. If you wanted to say hallownest takes place on the moon you could probably argue that with evidence.
@@Naokarma non canon lore still means that if the existing information available contradicts your theory your theory is probably wrong. Using your example, even if there is no canon lore, if the game gives you enough information to know that Hallownest is located in Earth, you can't just say that is is on the moon
Now, I expect to be getting it wrong here, but what if matpat was thinking it was a memory from the pure vessel/hollow knight? Just an afterthought.
*MossBag
@@Naokarma Actually, since there is no oxygen on the moon, you can't breathe. When you talk to her, No Eyes says "Can't dream... if you're still breathing, little one...", wich means Hallownest bugs breathe. So Hallownest can't be located on the moon.
Imagine living in the White Palace, waking up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom and have to go through all the saws and spikes
an easy way to debunk his theory: the knight is not fork looking
Sure the theory was wrong, but he got Hollow Knight on trending.
Jacob M. no cost too great
@@ShadowAphro lmao
@[RA] Abbhorase yes it is
actually if we go by this logic, we should have prevented amtpat from doing this video if we could, considering it is easy to know his theory is going to be wrong even before he does it and maybe even he knows,too since he might have done the video because of trending silksong. So by that logic, he spread misinformation and mossbag can't fix it as his videos are watched less hence why we should have prevented.
Now imagine we could actually prevent it. Then the thanos meme would be like:'' Hardest decisions require the strongest wills'' because we prevented misinformation at the cost of hollow knight's trend. That is the real no cost too great if you ask me.
The only way things can good is basically if mossbag's video gets famous making it a win win sutiation.
@@ismetcancelik5052 I see your point, but if they see the comments they might be able to see that it's wrong.
The instant MatPat put out his video, I just KNEW mossbag was gonna come out with a 40 minute long video debunking it.
The comments were swarmed by requests of Mossbag breaking this down.
@@videopolice432 Yup...
I expected a 30 minute video, same thing though... right?
I actually asked him for it and I don’t regret it at all
It was a given as Mossbag like to do lore videos and with how he gets with VORNET it was no suprise that he made this video.
As someone who only played the game casually, my takeaway was always just that the vessel either dug his way out of the abyss, or the abyss door opened back up for whatever reason and he just snuck through and wandered around for a while.
Maybe the knight just slipped through when the door was opened to take the hollow knight or any other reason it would be open.
New theory: since the flukes think of mother while charging at you, you gotta be the flukemama
There's gonna be so many memes about this
You see the thing is, the subreddit started dancing on mat pat's grave the moment mossbag saw the gt video.
Oh god it's sans=ness all over again!
I already was thinking this theory was wrong
Matpats gonna look a botw 2 trailer and say the sparkles are a map to ganondorfs dog
@@finn4019 no because Sans=Ness theory is true
how dare he say "he" instead of "the knight"
@@Shadowfi1385
I've never heard of hollow knight r34
I am scarred for life now
@Jquill3r 115 calm down bro its just 3 likes
@Jquill3r 115 No one cares, comment more and you will get more "attention"
@@intoxicated5321 I think hornet is the most common character then again they are the only females character that appears multi able times through the main story line to dream no more
@@darkgachamaker573 Actually hollow knight is very good at having both male and female NPCs with a part to play, just think of the female knights that the king had, the queen, Myla, Bretta, etc.
This is still so entertaining to watch years later
You can debunk matpats theory with a single sentence. You can become the hollow knight, meaning you don’t have thoughts and emotions, the pale king does.
Well eh. The knight is likely faulty in a sense as well sense it’s really unclear what it means to be truly hollow. And if the reason why the original hollow knight failed to as because it had too much thought! Then the knight learning nail arts spells and running errands for bugs n gods in hollownest immediately makes the knight another faulty vessel! Sense learning and following task requires a levels of thought to be put into them!
pretty much, imagine the pale king did all the thing to avoid geting infected but at the end just gose "i ll take all the infection at once then seal my selfaway"
In Sealed Siblings / The Hollow Knight, Ghost only takes on the Radiance. The Hollow Knight himself similarly did so and Ghost will likely fail in the same way. We know for a fact that Ghost can't be a "pure vessel" just by the simple fact that you can choose to buy shit, clearly indicating a will.
Well, the hollow knight boss is called the hollow knight and they aren't hollow. I believe the term 'hollow knight' just means a vessel supposed to be containing the radiance, and has nothing to do with the vessel actually being hollow.
@@hexagon2185 it does have to deal with the vessel being hollow, THK was believed to be hollow initially, hence the name.
This video in a nutshell:
Matpat: This guy says something that makes it sound like you're the Pale King
mossbag: The Knight is the Pale Kings child.
Repeat for 50 minutes
You forgot to add the “ ‘ “
@@lauziyi5728 You dont have to add those if you have colons
@@lauziyi5728 what +sayge blackmon said
*you're
Thanks!😌
I'm glad you're here.
Thanks to your comment, moss IS basically nit picking that Matt didn't setup 3 different goals/possibilities.😏
It's so refreshing to see someone debunk one of Matpat's theories in a mature way rather than just saying "YOURE WRONG STOOPID" You went about this in such a mature and overall respectful way but that didn't hold back your theory debunking either. There's a very fine line that exists that allows both debunking and being respectful and you seem to have walked that line flawlessly
Lynndissimo
Well he really had no other choice considering lots of GT fans were calling the HK fan base toxic for simply criticizing the theory.
This video shows what debunking really is: rather than trying to deny everything, he explains what is true/plausible and what is false/ unrealistic while trying to be as objective as he can
To be fair a lot were being dicks about it, I'd say 40% were criticizing 60 were being dicks and not being constructive. I get the response because it's a insulated community and that suddenly an outsider is coming in with an insane theory but there to people new to hollow knight like I was it did seem a bit toxic especially because there are few theories he makes that are ment to be taken as the gospel truth and not just a fun theory to give attention to a game.
a lot of people may have been disrespectful but still debunked his ass (from mat's comment section)
Lynndissimo wow, a lot of these comments are well put and discussed. makes me happy everyone isn’t always assuming criticism = hate
Elderbug's dialogue when you give him the delicate flower makes me cry every time 😭 its too sweet
Saying that the Knight is the reincarnation of the Pale King is proven by the Knight's cutscene being shown right after the poem is a weird stretch. It's like saying that the Chosen Undead is the offspring or reincarnation of Gwyn because they are shown in the Undead Asylum right after the opening cutscene with Gwyn establishing Lordran and the Age of Fire. There's so much in both games that completely contradicts and shows the exact opposite as you progress.
"zote is the pale king" is actually a better theory
(*peeks over from the dream world* HELLO, WOULD YOU ALSO LIKE TO HEAR THE THEORY THAT ZOTE IS THE RADIANCE?)
@@fantasyshadows3207 zote is hornet,zote is a godseeker,zote is the radience,zote is quirrel,zote is the shade lord,zote is the pale king and zote is the white lady.proof?they never appear in the same room
elderbug is actually hornet, theres a reason we don't see them both
in the same room
@@janovich. by that logic, elderbug could be the Hollow knight reincarnated after being defeated by the Knight, sent back in time. This actually makes more sense because when you give elderbug the delicate flower, he seems to feel better about dreams, maybe because they were forced to deny and ignore their thoughts to fulfill their purpose. And In the godmaster ending, if you give the delicate flower to the god seeker, the void that takes over the godseeker is completely erased by whatever power exists within the flower. This same power could have helped elderbug move on with the trauma of his past life, allowing him to move on. Besides, everyone knows that hornet is actually the flukemarm
@@firespark0774 no youre stupid the white lady is actually mender bug
This video has a lot of really good lore rebuttals, but I think there's an even larger issue with MatPat's theory and the way he makes his videos in general: he ignores the themes of the stories he's theorizing about, privileging conspiracy theory over actual themes. One of Hollow Knight's most poignant themes is the explicit rejection of the "chosen one" narrative. You, the protagonist, explicitly AREN'T the Hollow Knight. You're also not the king. You spend the entire game becoming the main character of a story you shouldn't be the main character of. You aren't the chosen one. You were specifically rejected. That's the whole point.
@@wakinnebrada8159 Calling it a "game theory" doesnt give it any more intelligence than calling it a "random speculation with questionable evidence".
Hollow Knight is an allegory for the study hindu translation of the bible in Latin America, but hey, *thats just a game theory.* No, making something a "theory" doesnt give it a free pass. You can theorize all you like and simply be wrong. MatPat's theory is no different than the Flat Earth "theory". All hes doing is surface level skimming of the narrative without ever going deeper. Hes free to think the world is flat all he wants, that doesnt make Earth a 2D plane people can fall off of.
I think that MatPat's content by nature is rather contrived because he strives for theories that aren't already present within the lore of the game / film, so he constructs a false theory that is either debunked or irrelevant to the story
Let's not forget the game is also centered around death and how it is a natural thing, how everyone and everything must come to an end and be forgotten eventually, so it wouldn't make sense to make the pale king immortal.
But you literally are the hollow knight if you actually play the game.
Small TrashMan No you aren’t. The Hollow Knight is the one trapped in the Temple of the Black Egg. You in the game are a random discarded vessel.
The Pale King's 3rd form is a much higher being ;
Elderbug
This was one of the last of his theories I watched, and for good reason. I barely knew the lore at the time, and yet even I could poke massive holes in his theory
MatPat:makes a hollow knight Lore video
Mossbag: dont cite the deep magic to me wich, *I was there when it was written*
Nice! A Narnia reference! It's been ages since I even thought of Narnia lol
mossbag, you fool.
Who do you see after the knight and before Zote?
Elderbug.
Elderbug is the Pale King.
ImThatOneGuyIRL, you dumdum.
Who do you see after the knight but before elderbug
BALDUR.
Baldur is the Pale King!
That's crawlid
The stag is the pale king
😂
J Games 5 Fun you numpty.
Who do you see in between the Knight and Balder?
Tiktik.
Tiktik is the pale king.
Of course the knight isn’t the king,
Zote is
I have not watched matpats video, I know nothing about hollow knight, but at 13:25 I said outloud 'what the fuck are you talking about?'. Games OFTEN open with quotes about the bad guy, or the setting, just as often as about the player?? And oftentimes the player is meant to parallel the villian, its just basic story telling, it doesn't mean they're the same person! 💀💀💀
Wait a minute, Zote is the pale king! He always talks highly about himself because he is the king, how has nobody figured this out yet?
Not half bad
True
No, you are absolutely wrong!! Pale king is father of Invincible Fearless Sensual Mysterious Enchanting Vigorous Diligent Overwhelming Gorgeous Passionate Terrifying Beautiful Powerful Grey Prince Zote! He is talking about his father at some part of game! He wants to be noticed by him!!!! I *CAN'T BELIEVE* you didnt see that LMAO :DD
Guys, its obviously Leg Eater.
After you buy all of his charms, have them converted to unbreakable charms, and dream nail him 666 times while wearing the Defenders Crest, he starts floating and glowing, infodumps lore onto you, and grows crown like spikes from his head. Then it unlocks the secret ending where he shows up and eats the Radiances legs.
You underestimate the power of Invincible, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful, Grey Prince Zote.
Ah, the three constants in life; death, taxes, and MatPat making a godawful theory video on your favorite game.
god his subnautica "theory" can be debunked just by playing the game. "the player is wrecking the environment" they cleaned up a radiation leak and stopped a plague. that more than cancels out some small scale mining
He only makes crack theories on everything except fnaf, even then that’s like 50/50
I think this video reveals possibly matpats biggest issue. he's not concerned with how this lore fits into the big picture, he's only interested in coming up with an interpretation that he can clickbait and that sounds interesting
MatPat's thoughts: "no way the offspring of 2 higher beings could possibly a higher being."
Unless... the milkman
Fr it is so annoying how much he uses the knight being a higher being as a point
Two higher beings make a corpse and fill it with the black stuff
@@yeetmcyeetalot5979 no just no not even as a joke
@@yeetmcyeetalot5979 you do know milk men are gods of time because they manage to make milk appear on peoples doresteps before anyone notices them
I watched the MatPat video before getting the game, and I thought to myself "huh, this theory seems neat and kinda makes sense"
and then I bought the game and played it for 20 hours, after which I thought "that theory makes no sense"
I kinda did the same but i stopped watching it because i didn't want anyone to think i was watching anything cringy, I was.
@markjvp are you defending matpats theory smh my head
@@evanoconnell2597 did you just say shaking my head my head?
Also same but then I bought the game. Actually I found about this amazing game trough matpat
@markjvp A theory lives or dies based on the facts used to support it. I can theorise that all of Hallownest is an illusion created by the all powerful Cornifer, to sell you secretly meaningless maps, but unless it's supported by in-game facts and doesn't contradict them outright, then it's just an objectively bad theory.
Also you literally can't think opposing theories are correct unless you're taking the perspective of "the story is what the audience wants it to mean". If one guy makes the theory that eating our young is a very good idea, and another says maybe not quite actually, there's no middle ground.
If you're gonna partake in internet squabble you oughta at least have opinions.
thank you for this video; I've never encountered the hollow knight other than matpat's video, and even I was like "the knight being his kid makes alot more sense tho right?"
Team Cherry: Can't say anything without it having meaning?
MatPat; When they say 'Anything without', I don't think it means just that
"If you're not a fan of me, hollow knight, or matpat... then what are you doing here?"
I don't know. I have way too much free time.
lmao ive never even played or watched hollow knight playthroughs and i havent seen matpats video i just enjoy matpat's pain
I know right?
Same but after watching this I'm buying this game
Fuckin hate the game
i cant like this comment because it has 69 likes and i dont wanna ruin it
I'm not surprised the royal retainers didn't know the pale king was dead, I mean that *is* a lot of buzz saws to get by just to check on him
"Hello King, Pale, Mr, sir. I eh have AAAAAGH"
"Dammit, Grace we lost Jerry to the buzzsaws! Send Tommy next!"
Poor Retainers.....
"Tommy! Watch Out!"
*BUUUUUZzzz*
"Alright... Billy, your up"
Took me a While to get past those
@@shanewhite5296 Same but in my second run I have the hiveblood charm and it was way easier
@@MrEntce Taking notes.
I honestly really enjoy some of MatPat's work. I think he's at his best when he starts investigating real life laws or doing basic maths in order to determine how catastrophic some things can be in fiction, like the one where he looks into osha regulations and violations to estimate just how unbelievably illegal Wonka's factory is, or the one in which he drags Remy the rat, or the one where he questions the role of the Avatars in atla, etc.
But there are some videos in which it seems like he just likes hearing himself talk... and to hear him sound SO smug while saying something SO STUPID is cringe, man.
I'd love hearing his take on like, Hallownest fashion or culinary arts. Why is the nailsmith butt naked? What would be Hallownest's cuisine, and variations depending or the regions and their lesser creatures? Is cannibalism only taboo in the city of tears? Does Sheo appreciate the fact that the nailsmith is walking around in the nude? Does the need for clothes depend on bug species, or is it a social class thing? Is Zote cosplaying the vessels? Did the vengefly king die of Zote poisoning? Since all of the bodies found in Nosk's lair are whole, what exactly does Nosk "eat" in them (since it is telepathic, does it eat their souls, and are these souls sweet or savory)? That'd make for a nice game theory, I think.
I’ve got a feeling that, regardless of what team cherry say publicly, that silk song will be a prequel, sidequel AND sequel. Just a hunch, but one I feel deep in my gut.
I just can’t think of any other way they’re going to tie up all the loose threads. Also, I can’t wait to see who is pulling all those threads of silk. It’s going to be epic.
Zote = Radiance
Proof: They never appear in the same room!1!1!
omgomg
True dude
I mean, he is the light of MY life at least.
Don't you dare saying zote is weaker than he actually is
That is more likely than Matpat’s theory, because the Knight and the Pale King do appear in the same room.
@@AshenDust_ True lol
I love how all the "censored" stuff is just blurred Rick rolls
i saw it too
fuck you beat me to it
Between my own playthroughs and videos such as yours, I've come to believe that the player is also a Higher Being, thus the tablets are actually meant for us
Another question this gives me is if the knight is the pale king and even if the pale king in the void heart cutscene is “transparent”, what is the explanation for the other vessels falling out of the sky? They just put the pale king’s egg in the middle of his children’s corpses?
Missed opportunity to title the video "Debugging MatPat's theory"
@@koffee8743 mantises, moths, beetle, stags, bees... do you want me to tell you more of them?
@@koffee8743 Have you played the game?
Woosh
@@DragonSkylander30 Stags aren't bugs, stag beetles are though.
It took me a couple of seconds to get this lol I’m slow
I love how I can tell that the footage of “union” is Rick Astley
Thats depressing
Bruh same
what can we say, pale king and white lady were no strangers to love
@@kaminothere510
You know the rules, and so do I
Say goodbye
*tosses vessels into the void*
We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
We've known each other for so long
Your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know what's been going on
We know the game and we're gonna play it
And if you ask me how I'm feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
(Give you up)
(Ooh) Never gonna give, never gonna give
(Give you up)
We've known each other for so long
Your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know what's been going on
We know the game and we're gonna play it
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
If I had a nickel for every time MatPat made an incredibly memed on and disliked theory, that stated that an important character is actually the main character of a game but in a new body, about a popular indie game that can be bought for under $20 USD, that was made by a very small team of developers, that has its own recognizable art style, that is the most critically aclaimed game of that dev team, who's fans are waiting for the sequel to that critically acclaimed game, I would have 2 nickels, which isn't much money, but its weird that it happened twice!
A part of me thinks MatPat watches and enjoys every response video made to his theories because in the end the point was to open up more discussion on his favorite subjects. So fun to watch either way
I like how you respectfully debunked matpat's theory without slandering him for no reason
@Detective Pikachu that's what a toxic community is for
@Detective Pikachu they are one and the same aren't they
I dont understand what that means but it was fun
@@owyemen9367 can u please tell me what he said 4 context
@@quincius8638 honestly I forgot
“What about the thing that ruins the whole theory?”
Matpat: “too complicated”
True
352 likes and 2 comments, wow
@@fahadalsubaie8073 who tf said anything about fnaf, dark souls and elder scrolls
@@fahadalsubaie8073 Matpat literally said that he skipped the cutscene because it was too complicated to deal with in his theory, the only toxic person here is you
i like to think that the pale king wyrm transformation is like a cycle. when the wyrm dies the pale king is born. wouldn't it be funny if when the pale king died a bunch of small wyrms poured out his eyes and somehow got out the dream realm to slowly grow up and become big wyrms and then die in order to start their own kingdom? just something I thought up during this video
Stupid theory: its just elderbug, just elderbug.. elderbug
The knight is a young elderbug, time traveled back so he can witness his youth once more
Ah, so that explains the cut content of being able to hop in NPC's minds for more lore. Meeting little Elderbug wouldnt make any sense in the final story!
I only just started watching the video, and before I go any further in it, mostly cause I don't want to forget to write this. While MatPat's theory isn't exactly accurate, it did do something pretty amazing. It exposed an amazing game.
Before last week I had never played Hollow Knight, and only heard it once or twice in passing and never paid it any mind. Then I saw matpat's theory, got interested in it, and started playing it.
I am now a week in with 59 hours of game time, subscribed to mossbag, fireb0rn, crankyTemplar, and RUSTY- The Superforge, and have downloaded the entire soundtrack to my phone to listen to at work. Thanks to MatPat's video, I found a game I probably would have never found otherwise. A game I fell in love with in every aspect. Now I'm continuing to play it constantly, excited for every bit of info we get for silksong, and constantly dreading the final pantheon that I will inevitably have to complete. I watched that video before even playing the game, and as I played it I started to see how the theory fell apart, but that didn't matter to me because thanks to him I FOUND this fandom and everything amazing in it and I'm excited about it.
Same
Woah that's a lot of progress. Good luck with Pantheon!
same here!!!
yeah, it's a great game. Glad it's getting more exposure.
The ends justify the means.
Vaatividya and Indeimaus vs mossbag and matpat = Civil War
Should be vaaty & idei vs mossbag & verulean
13:50
well, the theory is debunked! Zote is the reincarnation of pale king proved!
MatPat calling the vessels “failed experiments” is such a stereotypical MatPat thing to do
It's what I call my kids too
@@kreatona4219Father, is that.. you?
@@kreatona4219Mat Pat probably called them failed experiments because if he didn't and just called the vessels the "pale kings children" he would have to through a bigger hoop then satern has to try and explain how this works in his theory
bruh what is this slander
‘A connection between our knight and the pale king is undeniable’ wow. Children are connected to their parents in some way?? That shits crazy.
You deadass fr rn?
So, you're telling me... That I have half of each of my parent's genetic material? Impossible!!!
Wait wait wait, I'm *related* to my parents?
@@gray6004 Only slightly, it seems. Only slightly.
Shadow Kirb bruhhh
The mossbag intro in this video is actually a very complex joke. The first sound played when the title card is shown is the sound that plays when the character, "Sans", is talking. Sans is a character from the little known indie game Undertale. The second title card shown has a boy saying the word, "Ok". I have come to believe that this is the character Ness from the multimillion dollar franchise of Mother. The complex joke is trying to tell us that Sans is Ness. I hope you can now understand the highly intellectual joke that mossbag has produced.
AND the sans is ness is a theory that mat pat did
LITTLE known? Are you high?
Strawberry no. His subtle sarcastic humor just is hard to understand with your gargantuan brain.
@@rayparker8802 Undertale is NOT lttle known
@@mang058 Yep, this is even bigger brain time
20:00 keep in mind although they do become essence when they are killed that you also needed specifically the awoken dream nail to get into the white palace, meaning that possibly that they are spirits of the past and died waiting for the pale king and they are stuck like that because it was their last thoughts before the king and you so bring the presence of the king because you are the kings child which makes them bow, however this is a theory and anyone if free to point out flaws because I don’t know much about the lore it’s just my theory on to why they don’t leave a body behind.
His whole “theory” is basically just intentionally misleading and taking things out of context in order to create an interesting video, but an intentionally incorrect theory, because most of the lines or “evidence” that he brings up usually cannot be seen without seeing the context that proves it wrong.