@Joseph Buccelli because you got the tats from lucifer/satan. So if you choose the true ending, you basically say fuck you to him. So he takes his tats back, and be sad panda :(
To be honest, the reasons ending made me appreciate Chiaki, Hikawa and Isamu a little bit more since they show us more of their personalities. They are still assholes tho.
Hikawa I understand,but why isamu and chiaki?Isamu was a literal punching bag before becoming fake fiend,and chiaki trusted and didnt betray you at all.
@@bearandthebull2372 She's basically Jimenez from Strange Journey, but doesn't make sense because she was a weak person before having demon power, she's hypocrite.
I just beat the game now with the True Demon Ending. Honestly after looking at all the endings here, I much prefer the Freedom Ending because as how dark and sad this game is overall, a bit of happiness is very heartwarming to see in that ending
@@wl4810 That's kinda the point though ain't it? Freedom for you and others make your own choices? You're not the pawn of someone else, you are following your own ideals, and that allows others to follow their own as well. Whether it leads to destruction or another world's creation, people should be free to do what they see fit, which freedom allows.
@@fishonmydish7774 And they were free before the first end of the world, the destruction already happened, I consider that things are already over and that it has to be accepted.
this was my first smt game. as i played, i kept thinking “all of these worlds sound like shit. im going to make one just like the old one and restore everyone to their normal lives” without even knowing if that was possible. im so glad it was, as that is definitely the best ending
Not to rain on your parade, but that sounds conservative. The point is to skip the slow, uncertain way of improving things in the real world( with politics, and charity) to get to a good world swiftly. Now, most endings do suck, but a few don't.
@@spongbobsquarepants3922 the thing is that everyone and everything dies, which is the main thing i want to reverse. the current world does suck as is but i really dont think destroying literally everything is the answer
@@cawmusic Do you not think people are brought back in Shijima, for instance? In the reason talks, are the only people in the world going to be the few humans in the vortex world? I do not think so. I think the people from the past world would in some way be brought back, ready to live in this other way. The game is pretty vague about what the endings are actually going to be, but you could easily imagine that in Shijima you go back to the previous world, but everything is changed in accordance with the Shijima Reason.
Well it is happy from the perspective of those that share that ideology And in Theory if you got that ending it is because you wanted a world ruled by that ideology
Are they really Happy Endings? The game never explicitly says so or makes any judgement on that. The Great Will comments on it, yes. But that's because it has it's own Agenda. Think the endings over for a little. I'd argue the only bad Ending is the Demon Ending (Not the true demon ending).
@@Antasma1 I guess that's the beauty of this game. It's much less clear cut about it's implications. From the musical touches each ending received, I see much darker undertones, but you interprete it as Happy Endings and that's fine, too. Personally I feel that... Yosuga has indeed a very strong bitter-sweet undertone. Your would be lover is dead and you're about to create a world where it's likely very lonely at the top. Shijimi starts off with a somewhat bumbly set of guitar strings and your friend died before you could even reach him. Unable to defend his own reason, which speaks a lot of the Reason itself. You are about to create a very weak world, which will crumble easily. Musubi has a very foreboding and sinister organ playing. Hikawa has fulfilled his objectives and the world will never be the same again, you having made yourself his pawn. Of course some of this is conjecture on my part. In my mind these aren't really classic happy endings, but they're definitely great endings and video gaming in general needs more of this story-telling goodness. The only Happy Ending for Naoki in my mind is the Freedom Ending. It's the only ending where he gets everything back the conception took from him and from the rest of the world.
i like how the yosuga ending is demifiend creating a world of strength but he loses his demonic powers and basically gets run over by a horde of demons
@@aleaiactaest6503 the endings all look the same after the world relights up, I assume its just to leave it to your imagination, everything about the worlds besides the reason behind it is supposed to be interpreted however you like All of them are a little sad outside of the freedom ending though. One is a cutthroat world where you are never safe One is a lonely world where you can never make contact with another person Another is a 'perfect' world where no emotion can be felt The freedom ending is just our world, but presumably with a closer connection to demons
I'm not entirely sure demons continue to exist in any of the worlds after they get reborn. I know the demons did help fight for it, but I don't think anyone aside from the ones that created the world actually get to exist in the new one. They keep mentioning a rebirth. Otherwise, I'm not sure why the main character would have lost his demon form. I think strength doesn't necessarily mean just physical strength either. Chiaki didn't exactly seem super strong before becoming her demon form either. It could be more of a eugenics kind of thing, wanting those with disabilities or unfit genes killed so they don't hold back society. Pretty horrible philosophy, but I didn't really agree with any of the 3 Reasons.
@darrenmacqueen9884 demons would likely still exist because of the mandala system, demi fiend loses his powers presumably because he went against what lucifer wanted, seeing as he keeps them in the demon ending/TDE.
the Freedom Ending is the best in my opinion for one reason, I've heard it asked: "why does God allow evil?" because he gave us Free Will, if we didn't have that we'd be nothing more than machines, dolls, puppets, without thought or reason. sure we as humans are flawed beings, but its those flaws that make us who we are. without the Freedom to choose our path, all that awaits us is a hollow world with no light or shadow. just an empty existence. and that is my opinion.
To me, both Freedom and True Demon are two sides of the same coin, and embody the main lesson of the game in different ways. Both in which reject the idea of having to stick to a single, extreme ideal- in Freedom, you decide to give the world nuance, and let it go to how it was, only now that there's better hope for things to turn out better than they were. In True Demon, it's a complete rejection of the ideals and system, and a march to fight for a world free of imposing these ideals onto others. In Freedom, you let the ideals of the world blend into it's best parts combined, and in True Demon, you destroy them entirely.
True I will admit about freedom, however the one downside is that the Conception might or will happen again; if it does, MC might not be around this time to end the next conception.
From a writing standpoint, Freedom is undoubtedly the best ending. All the reason endings are meh, while demon ending just makes no sense However, there's just something about the concept of TDE that is so absolutely badass, I cant help but love it. Sure, you get extra content and such and that definitely raises it, but Im not talking about that. The fact you enter a sparring match against the Lord of Darkness, Lucifer, in the remnants of a destroyed world where pretty much you, your demons and him are the only beings left breathing, has got to be one of the most sick and epic scenarios any story has ever told me So yeah, my point? Freedom ending is the best from a writing point of view. TDE is best from a goopy-monkey action brain (like mine) point of view lmao
I agree with what Sigismund said. I’d only be on board with TDE if it wasn’t just a “sparing match” with Lucifer and you actually killed him taking his place and going on the path of conquest and destruction yourself (which in turn creates its own cycle that Lucifer scoffed at ironically). Such a minor tweak would have fit more thematically and would have been better than just being Lucifer’s pawn imo (plus would be even more bad ass since you just killed the guy who gave you your power).
@@DarkenRaul1 You don't just become his pawn, you become his first commander in chief. And then it's off to fight YVHV together. How that battle concludes is up to your imagination. It's definitely badass.
*"The final hour is imminent. Those who dwell in darkness shall suffer the Light of judgement! After the battle to end all battles is won... YOU will be cast into the FIRE!! Let fear grip your heart! Because of your transgressions, you will be cursed for ALL ETERNITY!!!!"*
So, these are the endings for SMT3. I finally beat the game and I went with the Freedom Ending as Freedom is the one I agree the most with. Though, I could get behind Isamu's Reason a bit, but people cannot grow without bonds. So nope. Demon Ending is... keeping the Vortex World as is and as the new world. I... kinda get it? But, not really liking it as well. The Vortex World was kinda bland. Wish there were more locations in a sense. True Demon Ending is... OK, that was a pretty rad ending. An Evil Ending definitely. A shame getting Pierce leads to this one. I love the closing short. Though, ultimately Freedom is for me. Still a great game. Though, I don't see myself doing a NG+ with the old viewpoint of NG+. Let me keep my Macca and Magatama too at least! I never want to do the Puzzle Boy mini-game again.
@@wl4810 Your gonna have to explain to me why *the world being in that destroyed state with demons and humans running amok everywhere* is good or even neutral.
@@ariannadravis3934 There is absolutely nothing wrong with not obeying the will of God and go to the road of creation. Life is extinct. The world is dead. And it is what it is. We are traveling in an already dead world. It is not dying. It is dead. Demons can do as they please, for there is nothing to lose to let them do so. There is nothing to lose by not obeying god either. The demon endings are about as evil as aborting an unborn child. The only one who vilifies you for not going through it is, fittingly, the christian God. A being who wishes for humanity to stroke his ego forever and repeats his cycle of creation and destruction eternally, and keeps souls trapped in his scheme. Lucifer, since his defeat in SMT2, understood that humans must be liberated from the influence of demons as they deserve it, as the core of the world. And this, is a war of liberation. From the strongest demon of all, God. All reasons choices fall under his power, because they will perpetuate his will. You have no choice. The freedom ending will not free you, because you will lose. He is the will of the universe itself, no the universe itself, he will not be defeated, because even if he is, he will come back. There is no humanity to save, because they will destroy themselves yet again. The demon ending is a path of both acceptance of the end of things, and liberation from the cycle of the universe.
I prefer the Freedom/True demon ending but morally, I can’t help but agree with Isamu’s Reason. Musubi would be able to grant everyone their freedom, a life of bliss, everyone’s own reason could come to pass, a world like that wouldn’t be stagnant as some claim, since most wouldn’t just remove the capability for humans to progress, Musubi would grant all their perfect world, if you wished for the world to be just like it was before and to not be able to change it, you could do that in Musubi, if Chiaki wanted to be the strongest in Musubi, she could do it, same with Hikawa. I can’t really disagree with a world where I am truly free
I disagree. Hikawa wants a world of mindless cooperation, Chiaki wants a world of eternal conflict. Both of those require interaction with others, which Musubi rejects.
But the true demon ending kills everyone... And then there is no purpose. Musubi ending is an ending that would end nihilistically, because all humans need to feel purpose and hanging put with dolls that you control sounds more like an artificial relationship. You would feel no purpose to live and eventually will yourself to die. There is a difference between wishes (as-in djinn-wishes) and there being no other people that have free will.
@@jasonenns5076 absolutely agree! Musubi is a world where only you have free will, which I can’t agree with, which is why I said I prefer freedom, where one fights for humanity’s right to stay in the previous world, flawed as it is. I just mean that I can appreciate Musubi as another viable option, even though when you really pay attention it only leads to decay
U can have anything u want in the freedom ending because you have free will, the reasons just force narrow minded ideologies onto everyone in existence You support musubi? Live alone and never go outside, dont socialize with anyone on the internet or in person You support yosuga? Join a boxing club or something and be overly competitive in everything you do You support shijima? Guess you kinda have to force your ideology onto everyone to get what you want here, just be quiet i guess
I see a lot of people hating of the TDE but I see it as rejecting this cycle of destruction and rebirth and trying to break it. Even if you do remake the world others will have to go through the same pain to rebirth it again at the end of it all.
But that's always been the main message of almost all the SMT games. That humanity can over come anything and that the human will/spirit is stronger then any God or Demon. Plus imagine giving up your free will to a crossdressing demon, sacrificing literally every thing, and ultimately failing at the end thanks to the other SMT games existing. Strange Journey showed this perfectly in it's new neutral route. It's a never ending battle.
On top of this, there is no reason to rebuild another world after the previous has ended. A reason ending is, in a way, similar to making a child, and not everyone wants to do that.
The Reasons Endings are clearly inspired by Dark City's and the way the city itself is literally created out of nothing. Demifiend before, Demiurge (creator) now. Mr. Murdock yes?
Funny how the game is about humans creating a moral right and wrong, but the very act of discussing which one is best defines right and wrong to be something external to us.
Realistically the freedom ending cuz the few bits and pieces we get of naoki character is that he really did care about his friends. Otherwise TDE just because the power granted by lucifer is just that corrupting
@@luca-ou8pv No, he isn't. If he was, he would've achived his goal in SMT2, which is literally to just teleport his believers to the Megido ark and destroy the Chaos alinged people. But if you play SMT2, that clearly didnt happen. So no, he isn't.
Lucifer warns Demi fiend that YHVH is pissed at him for defying creation, which means that the cycle shall continue and repeat itself once again. Lucifer sees himself in Demi fiend, because they both walked the path of thorns, defying YHVH, causing them to both fall from grace. It's why Lucifer tempts you to join his cause, to put an end to the cycle of creation
I just beat the game for the first time with no guides for endings and can’t believe I got what’s considered the “good” ending. I don’t even know how I did.
technically not really good ending, cuz in that ending the true god will aproach and destroy that world anyway...thats why you get the text at the end, when you do TDE, you become strong enough to say fuck it and go with lucifer to defeat the great will. Which sets itself perfectly up for SMT V's world.
It's good to see that despite everyone liking the True Demon Ending, you all agree that the Freedom Ending is the best way to continue this story... Nice to see that you guys have humanity within your hearts
Finally finished off Nocturne and got TDE. Came here to see the other endings and seeing the Persona-ass freedom ending is really bizarre considering how the game was the entire time. lol.
i love tde. i roleplayed my fiend to be an ally mainly to demons and as such he would have no reason or desire to remake the world. plus knowing conception could happen again only solidified my choice. if he's gonna fight again he may as well take out the big dog.
Man. They added 2 more endings to the remaster? I dont remember the other 2 in the original if they were. I just remember the endings With reason and the demon king ending.
demon and true demon were added in the maniax rerelease of nocturne in japan, along with the labyrinth of amala and the dante dlc. in the united states we never got the original version, just the maniax rerelease. the hd remaster is this version as well.
The true demon ending to me feels like they could have had an extra scene in the remaster of Lucifer and Demifiend defeating YHVH, with Lucifer Transcending and Demifiend bidding him goodbye as he heads off into the new world born from the conflict. As he walks off Lucifer says there'll be another conception but this time it will be different. This way they could tie into SMT5, that game is really the only one I'm disappointed wasn't just outright called a direct sequel to Nocturne.
@@justaguy2985 I would rather consider it fanservice. V is inspired by Nocturne, and references it, but no more than that. There are too many contradictions to actually follow from Nocturne.
I'm so mad I messed up on getting the TDE. I thought as long as you beat the 5th Kalpa before getting to Kagatsuchi, you can get it. Didn't realize you couldn't do the Tower AT ALL until you beat the 5th Kalpa. Such a sick ending. Ah well, thankfully I at least started the 5th kalpa before the tower and got Dante. Also find it funny that Hikawa get's to keep his body while Isamu is just a hat at a grave and Chiaki is a force ghost, despite him being the one that basically all of this lol
I just wish the non TDE endings had as much content so there is more reason to get them. But I guess that is the point of the old man enticing you to reach the depths of amala
The other endings can also be gotten with all the extra content. The only thing you lose out on is Demi-Fiend with Pierce and the Pierce Girimehkala. You just have to not go down the elevator after killing Metatron.
If there is someone attempting to get the true demon ending pls clear the 5th kalpa. I didn't realise I need to clear that when I am already in the endgame
I still don't understand the aftermath of TDE sure no more rebirth cycle but who is the "true enemy" they mention and what are demons supposed to do from now on?
agree but if you read what Luci tells you at the end, it says the great adversary will come for you aka YHVH or probably his servants will come find and kill out.
Something tells me it was only Aradia that allowed her to remember, as well as Lucifer for the MC. I doubt Isamu remembers because he talks to MC like he's still his friend, even though he ruined his reason and killed him
@@bruhed1117 Aradia is a false god yes, but she is only false in terms of not originating from the universe that the conception took place in. She sought to use the creation as a way to rebirth herself. She is very much real, just not native.
How is freedom "Omega Virgin"? I understand Chiaki being "Virgin", but freedom? How is TDE "Omega Chad"? Is killing the world "Omega Chad"? How is an authoritarian world considered "chad"? TDE is the "Omega virgin" ending because you can't bang someone. Freedom is the "Omega Chad" because you can bang everyone.
@@jasonenns5076 Is it really an authoritarian 'world' if there's no real world? Entire reason for Lucifer sending you down that path is pretty much to destroy the universe (unsure if TDE implies every universe dies or just Nocturne's universe/"timeline") so after the Great Will is gone, wouldn't that mean literally everything in that timeline ceases to exist? Idk man, pretty based. Edit: TDE implies "time" no longer exists too so doubly fucked.
@@jasonenns5076 You can't be authoritarian if the concept of reality itself no longer exist. TDE Demi Fiend basically destroys everyone that tries to impose their will on the world (imposing freedom is still authoritarian and Omega virgin because you are an authoritarian that ignore himself) and then kill an avatar of the Great Will because he is the only reason someone would be able to impose their will on the universe. He then destroys reality because fuck everyone. Everyone including Kagatsushi keeps saying that he will never be able to hold a reason of his own because he is a demon and should not be able to forge his own path. This is reason enough to kill them all and create a world beyond what the Great Will himself intended. TDE Demi fiend is the Omega Chad because he spits in God's face and make his own reality with blackjack and hookers despite being forbidden from doing so by the laws of nature.
So, I only played the True Demon Ending myself, but according to this, it seems you still fight and kill Chiaki and Isamu even when you join their sides? Why? Why don't they get to live to see their own Reasons come to pass?
You don't fight Isamu, he just gets killed by Chiaki. The reason you fight Chiaki in Yosuga is because her she wants to find out which of the two are the strongest.
The freedom ending isn't good because it's just postponing the conception until later. Someone else will just recreate the vortex world and someone else will have to bring a reason to kagutsuchi.
Just finished my first playthrough of SMT 3, did the Chronicle version and went TDE. A fun ending for sure, but I wanted to come and see the others. As I had guessed Freedom is your "good" ending, and while hardcore fans may scoff at the idea of any form of connection with SMT 5, NDE seems to fit that bill. "Real" Tokyo becomes Da'at and The Great Will creates "New Tokyo" in spite of Lucifer. Person who wrote the wiki entry feels that SMT 5 works from TDE, but with the Being of Creation dead, I'd like to see how that happens.
Depends on the answers you give to the reason bearers A true speedrun would have you either go Regular Demon Ending, Shijima Ending or Musubi ending, given that they all skip a boss
I did the true demon ending on my first run so the new game + can I still use the monsters I got from them if I wanna pursue the freedom or other ending?
Yes, the game explicitly says the compendium Carrie's over and if you 100 percent it in your first run you get a half-off discount for all retrieval charges going forward.
It's funny: Kagutsuchi appreciate all reasons, where everyone is forced to do a solid purpose (fighting for all eternity, be alone for the rest of there life, don't have feelings and no reason to live). But reject the one reason, where no one has to follow any roles and making their own decisions. Overall no reason-ending has a stabil and long future, in the end everything gets destroyed. In the end, the Demon and the True Demon ending are the best solution to end the eternal suffering of mankind.
I generally like to go for the demonic endings because that is kinda what is unique about SMT. I usually like to do the ending or route in a game that let's you see the most content and that is True Demon ending here! I like getting to kill all the gods under my demonic horde!
All three reasons get the short end of the stick by the community, as you can see in the comments. Musubi has it's fans, but i agree that Shijima is my favorite ending in the game and maybe one of my favorites in the whole series.
@@stealthy9156 As I see it, Shijima is based Buddhism. In Buddhism the problem in life is suffering, and the cause of suffering is desire. That is why Hikawa wants to get rid of it. Shijima is not eliminating emotion, but desire. This really means that the change in the world is largely internal. People are going about their lives, doing work, going to school, being with friends and family and so on. People still have their individual traits, and they each have their own occupation. People are different from each other in Shijima, as seen when Hikawa explains “Lights that spin quietly-sometimes bright, sometimes dim-all pulsating in perfect harmony”. That they spin quietly means that they are not in focus, whereas others may shine more brightly other times. I think it is a beautiful world that would be promised to humans. What is the point of ambition? When people become a little better at something, they become happy, but only for a short time. They return to how they felt soon enough. This happens until people die. This growth in the end does not bring lasting satisfaction, because people hunger for further improvement, further wealth, further control. The world has been developing science, art, war, economy and more. What has this gotten us? Barely anything. We are no more satisfied than hunter gatherers from tens of thousands of years ago. We need to be able to be satisfied with ourselves, just as we are. Whether you are skilled, average or weak, you can find satisfaction regardless. That is why Hikawa says that “Rather than blaze a path of ruin, we should lay down our fires for the world’s sake. By doing so, a life of repose would in return be promised to us.” We do not know what will make us satisfied but the world does, and satisfaction will be granted to us when we lose our desire. Given all this, Shijima is the best ending.
@@spongbobsquarepants3922 you're a corny mf let me tell you that much. I still don't agree with you and find shijima a repulsive idea. I may as well be an ant at that point, without the part where other ants might tie me to the ceiling and continuously force feed me to use me as a living food storage, because ants are cruel animals. If you want to be like that have fun, I have no problem with being happy with what I am and have, but trying to grow is so much more enjoyable and fulfilling it makes the other option pale in comparison and whoever takes the right to do that away from people is someone whose narrow mindedness has overwhelmed any reasonable objection. From my understanding of Buddhism inner peace is something someone strives to reach (ironic) and chooses for oneself, and is never imposed. So imposing it is inherently contradictory
@@stealthy9156 I do not think Shijima would be as negative and communist as you seem to think. It would be very much like normal, except there would be a lasting peace in everything we do. Maybe you do have a great time in the world. That is great that you are making things work for you. But so many people are not, and are suffering tremendously under the pressure of having to "grow" all the time and perform perfectly in everything. In buddhism, the buddha helps people out with enlightening people, even if they are not trying to do so. I do not see what is wrong with that. After they are enlightened, they are glad to be. I do not think of the reasons as forcing anything on anyone, unless you would also say that the freedom ending imposes certain values on people.
I haven't play other ending I want to know does it force you to fight there own reason boss? Like if you choose yosuka do you still have to fight chiaki?
Just beat the game on TDE and now I'm immensely disappointed with it and any other ending except for Freedom ending. All Reason endings are straight up lazy, and TDE is rushed. I mean, each of the endings makes sense, but after spending 100+ hours in the game, I wanted to have some emotional climax, and Freedom is the only finale that provides it.
Just beat the game and got the freedom ending. I fw with it but personally prefer the demon ending and TDE. Especially TDE. I already knew I didn't want to align myself with any of the reasons the people behind them were all annoying as fuck throughout the game. Especially Isamu. Dude's 6 ft under talking to me about a new world. Like dawg you are DEAD 💀
@@damarus To get Freedom ending, do the following - Do not go to Lucifer after defeating Metatron if you did do defeat him (or skip the Labyrinth of Amala, specifically 5th Kalpa) - Answer Aradia's questions with bravery - Either do not follow a Reason or follow 2 or more Reasons
I'm glad this game released at the right era. If this game release nowadays, I believe it will get a lot of criticism since the world theory were too strong implicated.
I like how in SMT 4 the include the White ending to let players know the TDE on SMT 3 is the worst possible situation as you destroy everything and everyone in your universe, also stop the cycle of death and rebirth of the universe. I mean you do it to cause one of the most metal wars ever, but still.
oh sorry, I wrote it all bad, I tried to say that Musubi or the freedon ending should be canon because the TDE are tecnicaly a bad ending because you destroy the world
I like True Demon ending The World is terrible as it is, The best way to cleanse it is to Embrace the Darkness within one self to Rule over the Evils of the world
@@yuriski1 No it is not. There is no canon in SMT. Most of the games can easily be seen as standalone, no matter how fanatics try to setup a timeline that connects every game in the franchise. The games share ideas, and sometimes reference each other, but that has nothing to do with canon.
Only reason anybody goes True Demon is for extra content + OP demon fusions. My personal reason would be to have the world reverted back to minimalistic life without most technology, cellphones etc. A world that is restricted, yet makes people content, getting rid of materialism. Doing away with the nature of greed, having people focusing too much on themselves and instead help out each other, sharing what they have. And also, having a god to watch over everyone. The god doesn't need to have people worship him. But, he would help out people in dire need and give them hope. And those who commit evil deeds would be dealt justice. But ultimately, it would be a god of love. A god which brings hope to people. Not anything like yhvh in smt where he wipes people out everytime they displease him.
I mean, in a vacuum, it could work, but then Humanity would just make something similar to that technology and well, things would be the same once more in like a couple millenia or less
Technology is not the source of the problem, if you return humanity to an animalistic state it will be the same world but without any reason to live and just survive, life is just a war.
That only actually matters against Noah, and he just takes a long time to beat, he is not actually difficult. You also have to reach level 80 to get Pierce, something that you do not get to organically. That takes grinding, luckily not for long, but still grinding.
@@spongbobsquarepants3922 You don't have to reach level 80 to get Pierce, that's Freikugel you're thinking of (which can't be bought until you've defeated Ahriman and Noah anyway). Pierce is automatically added to Marogareh's skill list, so you just have to level up once with that one to get it.
Freedom ending is the best cause the Demi Fiend gets his freaking hoodie back.
True demon is the best cuz FREAKIN COOL TATS!
@Joseph Buccelli because you got the tats from lucifer/satan. So if you choose the true ending, you basically say fuck you to him. So he takes his tats back, and be sad panda :(
@Joseph Buccelli
We have both, we just hide them to not freak anyone out.
depending on who you ask, that's the worst outcome.
And the world don't dies :v
To be honest, the reasons ending made me appreciate Chiaki, Hikawa and Isamu a little bit more since they show us more of their personalities. They are still assholes tho.
Yeah freedom or TDE are the only ways, f them and their reasons
Hikawa I understand,but why isamu and chiaki?Isamu was a literal punching bag before becoming fake fiend,and chiaki trusted and didnt betray you at all.
@@mingledingle1556 Based Chiaki??????
The thing about their reasons, they're all short-sighted. And they're all only ONE aspect of what makes a world.
@@bearandthebull2372 She's basically Jimenez from Strange Journey, but doesn't make sense because she was a weak person before having demon power, she's hypocrite.
I just beat the game now with the True Demon Ending. Honestly after looking at all the endings here, I much prefer the Freedom Ending because as how dark and sad this game is overall, a bit of happiness is very heartwarming to see in that ending
Same. If I ever play through this again I'll be going for that ending.
yeah same here. I got the true demon ending as well; didn't even consider the option of getting a good ending lol
@@decoyslive1731 Naturally, the "good" ending of this game is far from garranted. Nothing stops the event here from just happening again.
@@wl4810 That's kinda the point though ain't it? Freedom for you and others make your own choices?
You're not the pawn of someone else, you are following your own ideals, and that allows others to follow their own as well.
Whether it leads to destruction or another world's creation, people should be free to do what they see fit, which freedom allows.
@@fishonmydish7774 And they were free before the first end of the world, the destruction already happened, I consider that things are already over and that it has to be accepted.
In case you're wondering, Old Lucifer is, in fact, voiced by Paul Eiding, the VA for Colonel Campbell from MGS.
And grandpa max from ben 10
I thought so
He is normally a great guy, but he doesn't sound good in this. I'm sorry.
Thought it was him
You will never be a real woman.
this was my first smt game. as i played, i kept thinking “all of these worlds sound like shit. im going to make one just like the old one and restore everyone to their normal lives” without even knowing if that was possible. im so glad it was, as that is definitely the best ending
Not to rain on your parade, but that sounds conservative. The point is to skip the slow, uncertain way of improving things in the real world( with politics, and charity) to get to a good world swiftly. Now, most endings do suck, but a few don't.
@@spongbobsquarepants3922 the thing is that everyone and everything dies, which is the main thing i want to reverse. the current world does suck as is but i really dont think destroying literally everything is the answer
@@cawmusic Do you not think people are brought back in Shijima, for instance? In the reason talks, are the only people in the world going to be the few humans in the vortex world? I do not think so. I think the people from the past world would in some way be brought back, ready to live in this other way. The game is pretty vague about what the endings are actually going to be, but you could easily imagine that in Shijima you go back to the previous world, but everything is changed in accordance with the Shijima Reason.
It's weird how despite the evil the Reasons did, the Reason endings are portrayed as happy endings
Well it is happy from the perspective of those that share that ideology
And in Theory if you got that ending it is because you wanted a world ruled by that ideology
Are they really Happy Endings?
The game never explicitly says so or makes any judgement on that.
The Great Will comments on it, yes. But that's because it has it's own Agenda.
Think the endings over for a little.
I'd argue the only bad Ending is the Demon Ending (Not the true demon ending).
@@Mayhzon The tone says happy (despite the bittersweetness of your friends being dead)
@@Antasma1
I guess that's the beauty of this game. It's much less clear cut about it's implications.
From the musical touches each ending received, I see much darker undertones, but you interprete it as Happy Endings and that's fine, too.
Personally I feel that...
Yosuga has indeed a very strong bitter-sweet undertone. Your would be lover is dead and you're about to create a world where it's likely very lonely at the top.
Shijimi starts off with a somewhat bumbly set of guitar strings and your friend died before you could even reach him. Unable to defend his own reason, which speaks a lot of the Reason itself. You are about to create a very weak world, which will crumble easily.
Musubi has a very foreboding and sinister organ playing. Hikawa has fulfilled his objectives and the world will never be the same again, you having made yourself his pawn.
Of course some of this is conjecture on my part. In my mind these aren't really classic happy endings, but they're definitely great endings and video gaming in general needs more of this story-telling goodness.
The only Happy Ending for Naoki in my mind is the Freedom Ending. It's the only ending where he gets everything back the conception took from him and from the rest of the world.
In the true demon ending, despite it being Lucifer's favorite ending, he reminds you of the consequences of your actions unlike the reason endings
Isamu: *a letter and a hat*
Chiaki: *a ghost*
Hikawa: *hey homie wassup nice world glad I could baptize it lmao*
TDE: *ONE MORE GOD REJECTED...*
Freedom:?
@@germanofzelda9109 Freedom is so free that it got left out lmao
@@germanofzelda9109 Bro got the hoodie back
Well, at least in SMT V's trailer, we don't seem to have any friends to kill when our alignments inevitably clashes.
yet
Welp, optimism certainly ain't part of mainline or many of its fans.
@@theblackcoatedman6794 It's tough to be optimistic when you've been conditioned not to
@@theblackcoatedman6794 To be honest, I'd be disappointed if you couldn't kill your friends in SMT V.
@@TactlessGuy ruclips.net/video/UVwSZDXr5LU/видео.html So basically, that's going to be the song for every mainline protag.
i like how the yosuga ending is demifiend creating a world of strength but he loses his demonic powers and basically gets run over by a horde of demons
I thought it was buildings rising, huh
@@aleaiactaest6503 the endings all look the same after the world relights up, I assume its just to leave it to your imagination, everything about the worlds besides the reason behind it is supposed to be interpreted however you like
All of them are a little sad outside of the freedom ending though.
One is a cutthroat world where you are never safe
One is a lonely world where you can never make contact with another person
Another is a 'perfect' world where no emotion can be felt
The freedom ending is just our world, but presumably with a closer connection to demons
Yea definitely buildings rising as whatever world you choose is being created
I'm not entirely sure demons continue to exist in any of the worlds after they get reborn. I know the demons did help fight for it, but I don't think anyone aside from the ones that created the world actually get to exist in the new one. They keep mentioning a rebirth. Otherwise, I'm not sure why the main character would have lost his demon form.
I think strength doesn't necessarily mean just physical strength either. Chiaki didn't exactly seem super strong before becoming her demon form either. It could be more of a eugenics kind of thing, wanting those with disabilities or unfit genes killed so they don't hold back society. Pretty horrible philosophy, but I didn't really agree with any of the 3 Reasons.
@darrenmacqueen9884 demons would likely still exist because of the mandala system, demi fiend loses his powers presumably because he went against what lucifer wanted, seeing as he keeps them in the demon ending/TDE.
I know True demon ending is supposed to be a badass ending but I think Freedom is the best ending of them all.
It is but the TDE is the true one
@@matteodidonatantonio technically all endings are canon and true, just TDE fits the best with demi-feind.
Freedom, demon and TDE ending are all three pretty much a wasted possibility.
@@matteodidonatantonio It was only added in the re-release, so it's hard to consider it the "true" ending. But that and freedom are my two favorites.
@@darrenmacqueen9884 TDE was in the original release, what are you talking about?
Damn I went for the True Demon Ending but I kinda wanna go the Freedom Ending now.
Freedom ending best ending
True Demon Ending is great for the content
But we all know that the Freedom Ending is the best ending.
@@FentyMixx no
@@cumekira70 Yes tde sucks in terms of story
the Freedom Ending is the best in my opinion for one reason, I've heard it asked: "why does God allow evil?" because he gave us Free Will, if we didn't have that we'd be nothing more than machines, dolls, puppets, without thought or reason. sure we as humans are flawed beings, but its those flaws that make us who we are. without the Freedom to choose our path, all that awaits us is a hollow world with no light or shadow. just an empty existence. and that is my opinion.
To me, both Freedom and True Demon are two sides of the same coin, and embody the main lesson of the game in different ways. Both in which reject the idea of having to stick to a single, extreme ideal- in Freedom, you decide to give the world nuance, and let it go to how it was, only now that there's better hope for things to turn out better than they were. In True Demon, it's a complete rejection of the ideals and system, and a march to fight for a world free of imposing these ideals onto others.
In Freedom, you let the ideals of the world blend into it's best parts combined, and in True Demon, you destroy them entirely.
True I will admit about freedom, however the one downside is that the Conception might or will happen again; if it does, MC might not be around this time to end the next conception.
Law: Yosuga/Musubi/Shijima
Neutral: Freedom
Chaos: Demon/True Demon
When you finished a game with TDE couple of minutes ago and YT gives this in reccomendations
Right?
google always listening my friend
Thats it. In the true demon ending, demi fiend deleted sex.
Aw hellllll no
true but in my eyes, sex is only temporary; meaning you will seek it out again and again aka never ending.
True Demon Ending: “you will be cursed for all eternity!”
Demi-fiend: “OK boomer”
"I'm about to curse you with these sliding hands."
FREIKGUEL
Thanks for saving us hundreds of hours, haha. After watching I'm definitely happy I got the freedom ending.
Same.
From a writing standpoint, Freedom is undoubtedly the best ending. All the reason endings are meh, while demon ending just makes no sense
However, there's just something about the concept of TDE that is so absolutely badass, I cant help but love it. Sure, you get extra content and such and that definitely raises it, but Im not talking about that. The fact you enter a sparring match against the Lord of Darkness, Lucifer, in the remnants of a destroyed world where pretty much you, your demons and him are the only beings left breathing, has got to be one of the most sick and epic scenarios any story has ever told me
So yeah, my point? Freedom ending is the best from a writing point of view. TDE is best from a goopy-monkey action brain (like mine) point of view lmao
TDE would be the best if it wasn't for you simply becoming Lucifer's pawn
and thus YHVH tool
heh who cares about writing, i just to punch god in the face with lucifer.
I agree with what Sigismund said. I’d only be on board with TDE if it wasn’t just a “sparing match” with Lucifer and you actually killed him taking his place and going on the path of conquest and destruction yourself (which in turn creates its own cycle that Lucifer scoffed at ironically). Such a minor tweak would have fit more thematically and would have been better than just being Lucifer’s pawn imo (plus would be even more bad ass since you just killed the guy who gave you your power).
@@DarkenRaul1
You don't just become his pawn, you become his first commander in chief.
And then it's off to fight YVHV together.
How that battle concludes is up to your imagination.
It's definitely badass.
@@Mayhzon nah it’s the great will not yhvh.
3:58 I don't remember it looking that bad in the original.
it’s not, the remaster i think has a hard time with the texture meshing for some reason
same
*"The final hour is imminent. Those who dwell in darkness shall suffer the Light of judgement! After the battle to end all battles is won... YOU will be cast into the FIRE!! Let fear grip your heart! Because of your transgressions, you will be cursed for ALL ETERNITY!!!!"*
One more god rejected.
"dies"
I just thought this quote was awesome, gave me chills first time I heard it in the remake.
So, these are the endings for SMT3. I finally beat the game and I went with the Freedom Ending as Freedom is the one I agree the most with. Though, I could get behind Isamu's Reason a bit, but people cannot grow without bonds. So nope.
Demon Ending is... keeping the Vortex World as is and as the new world. I... kinda get it? But, not really liking it as well. The Vortex World was kinda bland. Wish there were more locations in a sense.
True Demon Ending is... OK, that was a pretty rad ending. An Evil Ending definitely. A shame getting Pierce leads to this one. I love the closing short.
Though, ultimately Freedom is for me.
Still a great game. Though, I don't see myself doing a NG+ with the old viewpoint of NG+. Let me keep my Macca and Magatama too at least! I never want to do the Puzzle Boy mini-game again.
I see true demon as denying this cycle and trying to break it.
True demon isn't evil, you guys just don't know the context.
@@jackour8167 People really call TDE devil just because Lucifer and you both look badass, and then they dare talk about writing, that's fucking crazy.
@@wl4810 Your gonna have to explain to me why *the world being in that destroyed state with demons and humans running amok everywhere* is good or even neutral.
@@ariannadravis3934 There is absolutely nothing wrong with not obeying the will of God and go to the road of creation. Life is extinct. The world is dead. And it is what it is. We are traveling in an already dead world. It is not dying. It is dead. Demons can do as they please, for there is nothing to lose to let them do so. There is nothing to lose by not obeying god either. The demon endings are about as evil as aborting an unborn child. The only one who vilifies you for not going through it is, fittingly, the christian God. A being who wishes for humanity to stroke his ego forever and repeats his cycle of creation and destruction eternally, and keeps souls trapped in his scheme.
Lucifer, since his defeat in SMT2, understood that humans must be liberated from the influence of demons as they deserve it, as the core of the world. And this, is a war of liberation. From the strongest demon of all, God. All reasons choices fall under his power, because they will perpetuate his will. You have no choice. The freedom ending will not free you, because you will lose. He is the will of the universe itself, no the universe itself, he will not be defeated, because even if he is, he will come back. There is no humanity to save, because they will destroy themselves yet again.
The demon ending is a path of both acceptance of the end of things, and liberation from the cycle of the universe.
I prefer the Freedom/True demon ending but morally, I can’t help but agree with Isamu’s Reason. Musubi would be able to grant everyone their freedom, a life of bliss, everyone’s own reason could come to pass, a world like that wouldn’t be stagnant as some claim, since most wouldn’t just remove the capability for humans to progress, Musubi would grant all their perfect world, if you wished for the world to be just like it was before and to not be able to change it, you could do that in Musubi, if Chiaki wanted to be the strongest in Musubi, she could do it, same with Hikawa. I can’t really disagree with a world where I am truly free
Basically the matrix
I disagree. Hikawa wants a world of mindless cooperation, Chiaki wants a world of eternal conflict. Both of those require interaction with others, which Musubi rejects.
But the true demon ending kills everyone... And then there is no purpose. Musubi ending is an ending that would end nihilistically, because all humans need to feel purpose and hanging put with dolls that you control sounds more like an artificial relationship. You would feel no purpose to live and eventually will yourself to die. There is a difference between wishes (as-in djinn-wishes) and there being no other people that have free will.
@@jasonenns5076 absolutely agree! Musubi is a world where only you have free will, which I can’t agree with, which is why I said I prefer freedom, where one fights for humanity’s right to stay in the previous world, flawed as it is. I just mean that I can appreciate Musubi as another viable option, even though when you really pay attention it only leads to decay
U can have anything u want in the freedom ending because you have free will, the reasons just force narrow minded ideologies onto everyone in existence
You support musubi? Live alone and never go outside, dont socialize with anyone on the internet or in person
You support yosuga? Join a boxing club or something and be overly competitive in everything you do
You support shijima? Guess you kinda have to force your ideology onto everyone to get what you want here, just be quiet i guess
Holy crap the symbolism in this game is crazy
how so?
Holy shit I just now realize that the Lucifer is voiced by the Colonel from MGS
I see a lot of people hating of the TDE but I see it as rejecting this cycle of destruction and rebirth and trying to break it. Even if you do remake the world others will have to go through the same pain to rebirth it again at the end of it all.
But that's always been the main message of almost all the SMT games. That humanity can over come anything and that the human will/spirit is stronger then any God or Demon. Plus imagine giving up your free will to a crossdressing demon, sacrificing literally every thing, and ultimately failing at the end thanks to the other SMT games existing.
Strange Journey showed this perfectly in it's new neutral route. It's a never ending battle.
@@tomo8940 Yup, but that thing about human spirit/will is all bullshit. Hahahhaha If demons and gods existed, humanity would be fucked.
@@tomo8940 Demi-Fiend doesn't fail tf
On top of this, there is no reason to rebuild another world after the previous has ended. A reason ending is, in a way, similar to making a child, and not everyone wants to do that.
I still like freedom ending the best
Man, the true demon ending is so bad ass that I'm actually pleased with my outcome at the end!
If even Lucifer himself says you have an "awesome power", it should tell you something about you, King 😎🙏
So if I beat up Satan will he say I'm rad?
@@archivist_13and then satan eats god next game and is still not as brutal as you in your bossfight but a femboy is lol
You should meet this character in the Digital Devil Saga game...
he will wipe your team in 1 turn, so yes, he's that badass.
The Reasons Endings are clearly inspired by Dark City's and the way the city itself is literally created out of nothing.
Demifiend before, Demiurge (creator) now.
Mr. Murdock yes?
Funny how the game is about humans creating a moral right and wrong, but the very act of discussing which one is best defines right and wrong to be something external to us.
Honestly, I'm satisfied by Musubi, but the Freedom ending is still pretty beautiful too.
I'm interested as to what Naoki's ideal world would be lol
@@jayphangx8742 probably the freedom ending
Realistically the freedom ending cuz the few bits and pieces we get of naoki character is that he really did care about his friends.
Otherwise TDE just because the power granted by lucifer is just that corrupting
Raidou talks at the end of TDE if you played the version with him dood
WHAT DOES HE SAY MAN?
THATS ONE SOLE REASON TO BUY THIS MY GOD HAHAHA
@@dxrbkn5145 lol dood
@@prinnydood7920 I thought your comment said Dante
Now Im sad
@@dxrbkn5145 you are a big Dante fan arent you dood ?
@@prinnydood7920 Absolutely dood
I don't know if it's intentional, but the Demon ending resonates a lot with Camus' The Stranger.
So, overall:
Freedom and TDE are top contenders for best endings
Reason endings are okay
Demon ending is meh
the worst part of doing the yosuga reason was killing futomimi
Honestly bro. Futomimi was the homie but we had to do what we had to do I guess
9:26
They fixed the slide animation I see
Wait how did I not notice that!?
4:46 it's very surprising hearing this from one of the most important avatars of the leader of the law faction
Yeah, I wonder why. Maybe, just maybe, he ISN'T an avatar of YHVH? and instead of the Great Will like the game literally says?
@@jackour8167 with greater will they mean yhvh not the axiom
@@luca-ou8pv Yeah no lmao that makes no sense. YHVH is not a multiversal god. Otherwise SMT2 wouldn't happen at all 😂
@@jackour8167 yes he is a multiversal god
@@luca-ou8pv No, he isn't. If he was, he would've achived his goal in SMT2, which is literally to just teleport his believers to the Megido ark and destroy the Chaos alinged people. But if you play SMT2, that clearly didnt happen. So no, he isn't.
3:48 "Man"
Demi Fiend: I do some mistake right....
Well at least he’s with Pixie.
Probably.
@@TUCell-ps5mi And the rest of the Demon Harem.
So in Freedom ending you recreate the normal world just like it ws before the destruction ( and it leaves you with a warning about Lucifer?)
Lucifer warns Demi fiend that YHVH is pissed at him for defying creation, which means that the cycle shall continue and repeat itself once again. Lucifer sees himself in Demi fiend, because they both walked the path of thorns, defying YHVH, causing them to both fall from grace. It's why Lucifer tempts you to join his cause, to put an end to the cycle of creation
@@skydivisionx meaning that in TDE you simply help Luci in beating the crap out of YHVH.
Freedom was my first ending and definitely in my opinion the best. But its way more fun getting true demon for that Metatron and Lucifer boss fights
God always did have some of the coolest fucking lines
I just beat the game for the first time with no guides for endings and can’t believe I got what’s considered the “good” ending. I don’t even know how I did.
Technically there is no truely good ending
Even the freedom ending says that there is another enemy
technically not really good ending, cuz in that ending the true god will aproach and destroy that world anyway...thats why you get the text at the end, when you do TDE, you become strong enough to say fuck it and go with lucifer to defeat the great will. Which sets itself perfectly up for SMT V's world.
@@Tommyvang187 No.
@@Tommyvang187 The world gets detroyed without possibility of rebirth.
"It sets things up for SMT V perfectly".
I just started a playthrough of this on my channel and oh my god there's a lot of different endings 😲
It's good to see that despite everyone liking the True Demon Ending, you all agree that the Freedom Ending is the best way to continue this story...
Nice to see that you guys have humanity within your hearts
I’m happy I did the True Demon Ending in my first gameplay
Finally finished off Nocturne and got TDE. Came here to see the other endings and seeing the Persona-ass freedom ending is really bizarre considering how the game was the entire time. lol.
You don't understand the Freedom Ending then.
Persona invented real life
@@ltb1345 Look at you. Remarkable.
it felt good seeing something positive come out of the whole game. otherwise this game would jus be edgy/10
"A Demon cannot create a Reason."
Demi-Fiend in SMTV "Bet."
i love tde. i roleplayed my fiend to be an ally mainly to demons and as such he would have no reason or desire to remake the world. plus knowing conception could happen again only solidified my choice. if he's gonna fight again he may as well take out the big dog.
Wasn't in Chronicle, Gouto would write an epilogue about their journey in Vortex World at the end of each ending? Is it not in the Remaster?
Its in the remaster, I think after the credits roll
Man. They added 2 more endings to the remaster? I dont remember the other 2 in the original if they were. I just remember the endings With reason and the demon king ending.
Demon and Freedom endings were always there.
demon and true demon were added in the maniax rerelease of nocturne in japan, along with the labyrinth of amala and the dante dlc. in the united states we never got the original version, just the maniax rerelease. the hd remaster is this version as well.
The true demon ending to me feels like they could have had an extra scene in the remaster of Lucifer and Demifiend defeating YHVH, with Lucifer Transcending and Demifiend bidding him goodbye as he heads off into the new world born from the conflict.
As he walks off Lucifer says there'll be another conception but this time it will be different.
This way they could tie into SMT5, that game is really the only one I'm disappointed wasn't just outright called a direct sequel to Nocturne.
There are so many tie-ins to Nocturne in V, the Return of True Demon might as well be considered canon at this point.
@@justaguy2985 I would rather consider it fanservice. V is inspired by Nocturne, and references it, but no more than that. There are too many contradictions to actually follow from Nocturne.
I'm so mad I messed up on getting the TDE. I thought as long as you beat the 5th Kalpa before getting to Kagatsuchi, you can get it. Didn't realize you couldn't do the Tower AT ALL until you beat the 5th Kalpa. Such a sick ending.
Ah well, thankfully I at least started the 5th kalpa before the tower and got Dante. Also find it funny that Hikawa get's to keep his body while Isamu is just a hat at a grave and Chiaki is a force ghost, despite him being the one that basically all of this lol
I just wish the non TDE endings had as much content so there is more reason to get them. But I guess that is the point of the old man enticing you to reach the depths of amala
The other endings can also be gotten with all the extra content. The only thing you lose out on is Demi-Fiend with Pierce and the Pierce Girimehkala. You just have to not go down the elevator after killing Metatron.
If there is someone attempting to get the true demon ending pls clear the 5th kalpa. I didn't realise I need to clear that when I am already in the endgame
when you say "clear the 5th kalpa", do you mean kill Metatron and ride the elevator down??
This game is definitely my favorite RPG of all time !
I still don't understand the aftermath of TDE sure no more rebirth cycle but who is the "true enemy" they mention and what are demons supposed to do from now on?
They’re setting off to fight YHVH
The Great Will
Jesus CHRIST
What the fuck did they do to the Demon Ending?!
I got freedom ending and loving it !
agree but if you read what Luci tells you at the end, it says the great adversary will come for you aka YHVH or probably his servants will come find and kill out.
If yuko is aware after the reason ending then they all probraly are……
that’s gonna be really fuckin awkward when chiaki and Isamu find out
Something tells me it was only Aradia that allowed her to remember, as well as Lucifer for the MC. I doubt Isamu remembers because he talks to MC like he's still his friend, even though he ruined his reason and killed him
@@bluejay7058 I assumed they thought it was a dream and Aradia is a fictional god made real by the conception so I don’t think that makes sense
@@bruhed1117 Aradia is a false god yes, but she is only false in terms of not originating from the universe that the conception took place in. She sought to use the creation as a way to rebirth herself. She is very much real, just not native.
Freedom ending is the best but TDE route itself is better because you get more content if only you could still get freedom ending with the TDE content
You can you just need to not go to Lucifer room
@@ofilosofoouumfumante5655 but you miss out on Beelzebub and Lucifer (who's more challenging than Kagutsuchi)
@@lowhp_comic i was saying that you could get pierce in freedom ending
Thanks. Think Freedom Ending is better
Endings summarised (in order):
Wasted ending
Virgin ending
Loner ending
Chad ending
Omega virgin ending
Omega Chad ending
How is freedom "Omega Virgin"? I understand Chiaki being "Virgin", but freedom? How is TDE "Omega Chad"? Is killing the world "Omega Chad"? How is an authoritarian world considered "chad"? TDE is the "Omega virgin" ending because you can't bang someone. Freedom is the "Omega Chad" because you can bang everyone.
@@jasonenns5076 Is it really an authoritarian 'world' if there's no real world?
Entire reason for Lucifer sending you down that path is pretty much to destroy the universe (unsure if TDE implies every universe dies or just Nocturne's universe/"timeline") so after the Great Will is gone, wouldn't that mean literally everything in that timeline ceases to exist?
Idk man, pretty based.
Edit: TDE implies "time" no longer exists too so doubly fucked.
@@jasonenns5076 You can't be authoritarian if the concept of reality itself no longer exist. TDE Demi Fiend basically destroys everyone that tries to impose their will on the world (imposing freedom is still authoritarian and Omega virgin because you are an authoritarian that ignore himself) and then kill an avatar of the Great Will because he is the only reason someone would be able to impose their will on the universe. He then destroys reality because fuck everyone.
Everyone including Kagatsushi keeps saying that he will never be able to hold a reason of his own because he is a demon and should not be able to forge his own path. This is reason enough to kill them all and create a world beyond what the Great Will himself intended. TDE Demi fiend is the Omega Chad because he spits in God's face and make his own reality with blackjack and hookers despite being forbidden from doing so by the laws of nature.
TDE is Sigma ending.
Should have picked the freedom...it was acctually the one I wanted...but there's no way i'm playing this game again...
The best ending is the freedom ending change my mind
So, I only played the True Demon Ending myself, but according to this, it seems you still fight and kill Chiaki and Isamu even when you join their sides? Why? Why don't they get to live to see their own Reasons come to pass?
ego issues
You don't fight Isamu, he just gets killed by Chiaki. The reason you fight Chiaki in Yosuga is because her she wants to find out which of the two are the strongest.
The freedom ending isn't good because it's just postponing the conception until later. Someone else will just recreate the vortex world and someone else will have to bring a reason to kagutsuchi.
Yup it's like taking the blue pill in the Matrix
Just finished my first playthrough of SMT 3, did the Chronicle version and went TDE. A fun ending for sure, but I wanted to come and see the others.
As I had guessed Freedom is your "good" ending, and while hardcore fans may scoff at the idea of any form of connection with SMT 5, NDE seems to fit that bill. "Real" Tokyo becomes Da'at and The Great Will creates "New Tokyo" in spite of Lucifer. Person who wrote the wiki entry feels that SMT 5 works from TDE, but with the Being of Creation dead, I'd like to see how that happens.
If you just speedrun towards the end ignoring everything that's optional, what ending do you get?
Most likely the [Regular] Duman Ending. Though that may change depending on what responses you say to the three reason-bearers and Aradia.
Depends on the answers you give to the reason bearers
A true speedrun would have you either go Regular Demon Ending, Shijima Ending or Musubi ending, given that they all skip a boss
@@fabrizioladelll8208 Is True Demon the most runned category, or is it one of those three?
@@fabrizioladelll8208 which boss?
@@johnwilliamson4748 Baal avatar
One thing about the tde that makes no sense why are there law aligned angels behind you if you are the ultimate demon of darkness
MUSUBI. MUSUBI ALWAYS.
I did the true demon ending on my first run so the new game + can I still use the monsters I got from them if I wanna pursue the freedom or other ending?
Yes, the game explicitly says the compendium Carrie's over and if you 100 percent it in your first run you get a half-off discount for all retrieval charges going forward.
@@priceyyeti4058 that will be good I got my Shiva, metatron , to cost over 100k kekw
It's funny: Kagutsuchi appreciate all reasons, where everyone is forced to do a solid purpose (fighting for all eternity, be alone for the rest of there life, don't have feelings and no reason to live). But reject the one reason, where no one has to follow any roles and making their own decisions. Overall no reason-ending has a stabil and long future, in the end everything gets destroyed. In the end, the Demon and the True Demon ending are the best solution to end the eternal suffering of mankind.
Chiaki's voice actresses is so nice ngl
The freedom ending is like voltaire's candeed, where this is the best of all possible worlds.
....Right? Maybe I'm not remembering it right.
I generally like to go for the demonic endings because that is kinda what is unique about SMT. I usually like to do the ending or route in a game that let's you see the most content and that is True Demon ending here! I like getting to kill all the gods under my demonic horde!
Hermano se cree Shadow 💀
Well now we have an actual ending to the True demon ending 😂
?
@@Crabo99 SMT V
@@TheRawyan is it confirmed to be a sequel?
@@Crabo99 They mention the conception, and lots more hints towards the possibility
@@TheRawyan but how did the world get recreated After the TDE
No love for the Reason of Shijima? I think the world of silent harmony sounds pretty nice in light of the loud, chaotic world we live in currently.
All three reasons get the short end of the stick by the community, as you can see in the comments. Musubi has it's fans, but i agree that Shijima is my favorite ending in the game and maybe one of my favorites in the whole series.
Shijima is a world where personal ambition is pretty much dead. I'd rather not
@@stealthy9156
As I see it, Shijima is based Buddhism. In Buddhism the problem in life is suffering, and the cause of suffering is desire. That is why Hikawa wants to get rid of it. Shijima is not eliminating emotion, but desire. This really means that the change in the world is largely internal. People are going about their lives, doing work, going to school, being with friends and family and so on. People still have their individual traits, and they each have their own occupation. People are different from each other in Shijima, as seen when Hikawa explains “Lights that spin quietly-sometimes bright, sometimes dim-all pulsating in perfect harmony”. That they spin quietly means that they are not in focus, whereas others may shine more brightly other times. I think it is a beautiful world that would be promised to humans.
What is the point of ambition? When people become a little better at something, they become happy, but only for a short time. They return to how they felt soon enough. This happens until people die. This growth in the end does not bring lasting satisfaction, because people hunger for further improvement, further wealth, further control. The world has been developing science, art, war, economy and more. What has this gotten us? Barely anything. We are no more satisfied than hunter gatherers from tens of thousands of years ago. We need to be able to be satisfied with ourselves, just as we are. Whether you are skilled, average or weak, you can find satisfaction regardless. That is why Hikawa says that “Rather than blaze a path of ruin, we should lay down our fires for the world’s sake. By doing so, a life of repose would in return be promised to us.”
We do not know what will make us satisfied but the world does, and satisfaction will be granted to us when we lose our desire. Given all this, Shijima is the best ending.
@@spongbobsquarepants3922 you're a corny mf let me tell you that much. I still don't agree with you and find shijima a repulsive idea. I may as well be an ant at that point, without the part where other ants might tie me to the ceiling and continuously force feed me to use me as a living food storage, because ants are cruel animals. If you want to be like that have fun, I have no problem with being happy with what I am and have, but trying to grow is so much more enjoyable and fulfilling it makes the other option pale in comparison and whoever takes the right to do that away from people is someone whose narrow mindedness has overwhelmed any reasonable objection. From my understanding of Buddhism inner peace is something someone strives to reach (ironic) and chooses for oneself, and is never imposed. So imposing it is inherently contradictory
@@stealthy9156 I do not think Shijima would be as negative and communist as you seem to think. It would be very much like normal, except there would be a lasting peace in everything we do. Maybe you do have a great time in the world. That is great that you are making things work for you. But so many people are not, and are suffering tremendously under the pressure of having to "grow" all the time and perform perfectly in everything.
In buddhism, the buddha helps people out with enlightening people, even if they are not trying to do so. I do not see what is wrong with that. After they are enlightened, they are glad to be. I do not think of the reasons as forcing anything on anyone, unless you would also say that the freedom ending imposes certain values on people.
I haven't play other ending I want to know does it force you to fight there own reason boss? Like if you choose yosuka do you still have to fight chiaki?
No when you meet them in ToK they basically acknowledge that you’re helping them and give you their stone and let you move on
@@Xploderz55 Pretty sure you still have ro fight Chiaki in her path. The others will just give you their stone if you follow them
@@shadowagent7361 I only played TDE because I heard that the other endings kinda sucked so I watched them instead and I kinda have to agree lol
For Shijima, you skip Hikawa.
For Musubi, Isamu gets killed by Chiaki before you arrive.
For Yosuga, Chiaki still fights you.
@@haihuynh8772 oh got it. Thanks for the info
Just beat the game on TDE and now I'm immensely disappointed with it and any other ending except for Freedom ending. All Reason endings are straight up lazy, and TDE is rushed. I mean, each of the endings makes sense, but after spending 100+ hours in the game, I wanted to have some emotional climax, and Freedom is the only finale that provides it.
Just beat the game and got the freedom ending. I fw with it but personally prefer the demon ending and TDE. Especially TDE. I already knew I didn't want to align myself with any of the reasons the people behind them were all annoying as fuck throughout the game. Especially Isamu. Dude's 6 ft under talking to me about a new world. Like dawg you are DEAD 💀
How do attain the freedom route?
Answer Aradia's questions with bravery AND don't use elevator in 5th Kalpa after defeating Metatron
Also you shouldn't flag any of three Reason (Kotowari) endings
@@damarus To get Freedom ending, do the following
- Do not go to Lucifer after defeating Metatron if you did do defeat him (or skip the Labyrinth of Amala, specifically 5th Kalpa)
- Answer Aradia's questions with bravery
- Either do not follow a Reason or follow 2 or more Reasons
Freedom>Musubi>TDE>Shijima> Yosuga=Demon ending.
What's the ost for each ending
Espetacular
I'm glad this game released at the right era. If this game release nowadays, I believe it will get a lot of criticism since the world theory were too strong implicated.
I would have chosen Freedom, but there's no way I could go finish the game without going through amala and kicking Lucifer's ass, so TDE it was.
I like how in SMT 4 the include the White ending to let players know the TDE on SMT 3 is the worst possible situation as you destroy everything and everyone in your universe, also stop the cycle of death and rebirth of the universe. I mean you do it to cause one of the most metal wars ever, but still.
Um…. So there is a thing called SMT V
@@TheRawyan is set on a different universe
@@bruno17289 conception occurred in said universe
@@bruno17289 it's not, noucturn and 5 are connected
when i replay this game. Im going for musubi.
I wonder who's the one speaking in those final texts in the freedom and true demon endings
I think that the TDE is the Mega asshole ending, the Reason ending of Musubi or the freedom ending should be canon.
*Change my mind*
Don’t really see how TDE is an asshole ending or how Yosuga is law but ok
Yosuga is law? Tde is mega asshole? You need help
oh sorry, I wrote it all bad, I tried to say that Musubi or the freedon ending should be canon because the TDE are tecnicaly a bad ending because you destroy the world
@@jackour8167 my bad
@@sock312 my bad
Kinda lost with each ending I only know the True Demon Ending. Can someone tell me the other endings
What is the name of the music when you are just talking with Kagutsushi? I want to use it in D&D when the players are talking to a God.
I like True Demon ending
The World is terrible as it is, The best way to cleanse it is to Embrace the Darkness within one self to Rule over the Evils of the world
Of course a Persona fan would say something so stupid
@@jesusramirezromo2037 damn 😭
i like your point of view
Freedom ending is beautiful
I beat the game and got the regular demon ending, 91 hours well spent but to end in disappoint
Is it just me or does the true demon ending totally set up for the Demi fiends fight with the Nahobino?
It IS the canon ending.
@@yuriski1 No it is not. There is no canon in SMT. Most of the games can easily be seen as standalone, no matter how fanatics try to setup a timeline that connects every game in the franchise. The games share ideas, and sometimes reference each other, but that has nothing to do with canon.
I know freedom ending is basic, but I really like it.
Only reason anybody goes True Demon is for extra content + OP demon fusions. My personal reason would be to have the world reverted back to minimalistic life without most technology, cellphones etc. A world that is restricted, yet makes people content, getting rid of materialism. Doing away with the nature of greed, having people focusing too much on themselves and instead help out each other, sharing what they have. And also, having a god to watch over everyone. The god doesn't need to have people worship him. But, he would help out people in dire need and give them hope. And those who commit evil deeds would be dealt justice. But ultimately, it would be a god of love. A god which brings hope to people. Not anything like yhvh in smt where he wipes people out everytime they displease him.
You think getting rid of technology will stop greed and make them help others? Really?
I mean, in a vacuum, it could work, but then Humanity would just make something similar to that technology and well, things would be the same once more in like a couple millenia or less
Technology is not the source of the problem, if you return humanity to an animalistic state it will be the same world but without any reason to live and just survive, life is just a war.
You are implying communism... That never works as "intended".
@@jasonenns5076 I mean, it only really works of greed is taken out of the equation, which is literally what the Reason of Shijima implies
Unfortunately, you can only get Pierce on TDE. No Musubi this time ig
That only actually matters against Noah, and he just takes a long time to beat, he is not actually difficult. You also have to reach level 80 to get Pierce, something that you do not get to organically. That takes grinding, luckily not for long, but still grinding.
@@spongbobsquarepants3922 You don't have to reach level 80 to get Pierce, that's Freikugel you're thinking of (which can't be bought until you've defeated Ahriman and Noah anyway). Pierce is automatically added to Marogareh's skill list, so you just have to level up once with that one to get it.
@@yep9462 You're right. However, it is only helpful against noah with Freikugel.
@@yep9462Actually, you can skip Noah and get the Magatama with Freikugel lol
what is shijimas ending i dont get it. no more greed? seems similar to Musubi ending