THE BEST travel trailer RV under 20FT? 2024 Forest River Flagstaff E-Pro E15FBS
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- Опубликовано: 20 апр 2024
- 18ft, 3,500lbs, and 500lb hitch weight. Let me know what you think about this travel trailer RV! Shopping for an RV? Click this link for more information on pricing and store locations: bit.ly/find_your_next_rv
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Forest River is a doorstop waiting to happen. We spend $300 a month on payments, and another $200 a month during the summer average on repairs each summer. Leaking pipes, water lines, and even CO leaks into the cabin from the water heater. Window struts that have completely failed, we have use of 2 out of 6 windows in our Puma. Almost all of the outside trim has peeled off during transit, exposing screws. The shower pan cracked after the first year. The slide out fails often, there is obvious structure failure as different parts of the camper are bowing out or simply over-flexing. Yes, we even had ours sent back to Elkhart Indiana for major repairs after it began falling apart just one year after delivery. The dealer refused to look at it unless we paid for service and labor, Forest River declared it was the dealers problem. Of course, when it was finally settled whose responsibility it was, a year had passed and Forest River claimed it was past the one year warranty. We had purchased the extended warranty, but "somehow" manufacturer defects were not included, but simply "wear and tear", but we hadn't used it more than three times for less than 200 miles before things started falling off, or the carbon monoxide began pouring into the cabin from under the cabinets and setting the CO alarm off everytime the water heater began working. Save yourself the trouble and expense of $95/hour + labor and hard to find parts like plumbing (each leak has to be repaired by a dealer since the plumbing is unique and can't be done by yourself with standard parts). Stay away from Forest River.
Myles said he might buy one for himself. Maybe he could buy yours.
Thanx for the warning
We bought a Rockwood Roo 233 made by Forest River. It was the biggest piece of junk that we’ve ever spent money on. Every time we pulled it there would be screws laying in the floor from falling out of different things. It leaked water into the inside of the walls and rotted the floor. I had it resealed by a local RV dealer. They told me it wasn’t sealed properly from the factory. They showed me where the outside compartment doors barely covered the holes in the side. I wouldn’t take another Forest River product if they gave it to me for free. Life is too short.
You absolutely can repair almost everything in/on a camper yourself - especially the plumbing, absolutely none of it is unavailable. The major hurdle that I've seen as a technician is people's refusal to maintain their investment - and unfortunately most people are too lazy to take the time to diagnose problems themselves.
Truth is the majority of problems a camper has can be diagnosed with a multimeter and your mark 1 eyeballs.
The other truth is that you are going to have these same problems with every entry level rv - whether its Forest River, Keystone, Palamino, Jayco, or whatever alternate branding the two main companies shelve them under. Puma branded models unfortunately have been exceptionally bad the last couple years, but I see the same issues with that 30-40k camper as I do in entry level 5th wheels at 80k. Combine that with people's innate desire to save 1,000 on the tag so they go to Camping World/Lazy Days/(insert whatever local large chain style dealer in your area) and they add terrible service from a company that pays their technicians in a flat rate model and sales staff on commission. You don't get quality anywhere when the only mission is to move every unit in/out as fast as humanly possible.
@@rotatingrecords you shouldn't have to repair things that were done improperly at the factory.
Hey Myles! How are you doing? I've watched your GeoPro vid on this floor plan a thousand times. I appreciate this tour too. I love this floor plan for just myself. I would get a stool and sit at that kitchen counter and look out those windows just like at home. I've looked at the 19 Murphy bed but haven't seen this one in person yet. The quality seems good for the size. Take care!!👍👍
i usually dont like the small travel trailer but this layout is amazing and its different. i like it a lot
Step into the RV you can put your trash can underneath the small counter next the two drawers. Bath tub you can use to wash your clothes if need to with an apartment washer/dryer combo. Underneath the shelves with the netting could had put pull down drawers kitchen utilities. Even in the bathroom with larger drop down drawers for more storage.
What timing. I just discovered this trailer this morning and was looking for reviews. I came home tonight and here you are! Great review. Thanks.
Glad I can help!
I really love the kitchen, it has more counter space than my 2015 cougar keystone fifth wheel😂
The sweating drama was comical. Laughed through this whole video and love the camper!
Those are awesome!
Beautiful!
THIS RV IS TRULY PERFECT. BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED. IN AND OUT. EXCELLENT PRICE TOO. LOVE YOUR VIDEOS HANDSOME FUNNY MYLES. UNTIL NEXT TIME. BE SAFE. STAY COOL.
Can you access the fridge and bathroom with the slide in?
I deliver RVs for a living, and I have always been impressed with the quality of the Geo Pro and E Pro travel trailers! I plan on buying a travel trailer sometime in the near future. There is one other travel trailer that I have started delivering recently, that is the Coachman Remote. They seem to have similar level of quality, but a little less feature rich, but they look really nice. The other thing is they are only 7 feet wide, instead of 7’ 8” like the Geo and E Pro. That makes the Remote even better for smaller tow vehicles without tow mirrors. I’m currently torn between those 3 models, it’s a tough decision, since I find all three very nice!
I used to build them at forest River. Quality has definitely gone down but still a legit company
Love your videos and enthusiasm. So you are down to either this or the Alliance Delta 252rl? They seem to be fairly far apart, why these 2?
I love ur vids not missing a single one💯💯
Thanks for watching!
Love it. What about quality because there were problems during the covid years.
If I want to upgrade the mattress. What is the maximum thickness.
if i had a tub like that - i would use it to store a portable washer/dryer
i think one would fit in that space
obviously larger items still need to go to the laundromat but underwear/ shirts / lightweight jeans and all can be washed in a portable which isn’t an option with my corner shower 😢
Is this built with reinforced cardboard like my 2023 wildwood 27rkx?
That trailer has an msrp of $49974 and sale price of $44900 near me in Canada.
Would like to have seen the under belly enclosed.
Can you confirm that it’s a residential queen? The Floor plan specs in the beginning of the video say 54x74 Murphy bed so that would be a smaller camper queen
Ill have to go back and measure it, I forgot to 🫠
Don't know why the RV Industry insists on saying RV Queen when it's actually closer to a standard full-size bed, 54x75, a queen is 60x80, and a king is 76x80 Guess it sounds better/bigger!👍
I pretty much like everything about this trailer except for the tv position. They could have put in more down at eye level with an arm so you can put in more in the middle.
Watched some lady tear that double opening door off.
👍🍻
You kept saying how hot it was so I have a question. Why don't the windows open?? That would probably help.
Go for it.
I'm thinking about selling my home and getting an rv.
Prefect space for me and my pet.
Retirement.
Does the roof leak??
Hey Miles I am really considering purchasing a Forest River trailer. Wanted to know how you would rate their quality and overall longevity.
Forest River has dozens of brands all built to different levels of quality. But in this video I feel I went pretty into depth on how this particular brand is packed with quality features.
@@mylesrv thanks for the reply
I understand anything newer that 2020 is a rush build job and more issues!
bathroom/toilet adjacent to the kitchen = always a dealbreaker
I don’t see why, honestly. I’ve never thought it to be a deal breaker
@mylesrv I agree with you! This is such a cool little travel trailer.
In a 17ft not much space to put it otherwise.
Why don’t they put projector televisions in these?
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Nice unit, don’t care for the hard to read back breaker microwave location though…
Sorry but slide outs are a dealbreaker for me. No slide outs!
Fill tub with ice and beer.
How many people does it sleep?😊
2. But E-pro makes models that sleep more as well
What’s the price?!
19k sounds better
Hummm. Myles it’s a nice trailer, but I don’t think it’s the right one for you because of the dome roof. The shower barely fits you, and are you going to bump your head on the air conditioner? Can you access the bathroom and frig when the slide is in?
I’m 6’1 without shoes on and I fit in every area of this RV. I don’t mind the shower not being that tall, I would only be in there for 3-5 minutes tops. Most RVs this size are going to actually have even shorter showers than this. And because the slide out is shallow, I believe both things can be accessed with the slides in. I didn’t check and confirm but again, that’s not a deal breaker for me either because I’ve never considered it too difficult to push a slide out for 5-10 seconds real quick if needed to get to a space inside the RV while traveling.
Bathroom and fridge work with slide in but the Murphy bed will not come down with slide in. You can use the couch though folded out like a bed if you had to. I saw this unit in person at a rv show in February. They wanted $27,990. I am 6’2” and had head room everywhere but yes the shower I had to lean over a tad but could work for me.
Prices crazy now.
Why “Real Quick”….?
How many people here are looking to live in these full time?
I am!
It's more expensive than owning a house. Far more expensive if you can't be bothered to, or afford if your goal is to also work as little as possible, properly maintain them. Massively more expensive if you aren't interested/capable/handy enough to diagnose and make repairs yourself.
They simply are not designed to be lived in full time, 100% for these entry level models. They are designed to be used a half a dozen weekend trips a year at the most for a few years.
Consider this one thing - you have a maximum of r-9 in your walls and r-13 in your ceiling (completely ignoring all the holes for vents, ducts, windows and such), and essentially 0 insulation in the floor because it is an open space with no air control. Your furnace/heating system has 0 ability to control humidity and the rated uptime is approximately 50% per hour (12 hours a day) - this is a major problem if you live in any sort of climate where you'd need to use this to sustain your life.
WolfPup 16FQ is half the price and twice as functional
I’ll have to check it out!
You talk us to death man, just show us the RV
There’s plenty of other RUclips creators that show RVs you can watch if you want a basic walkthrough without any depth. That’s not me though and it never will be.
Bro, u wanna buy every RV u advertise 😅
They have THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of RVs in stock?
I think thats a LIE.
Your techs missed a few things in their pdi inspection, and you need to learn what the equipment in the units your selling actually does - especially simple and important things like an oven vent fan.
What did I say wrong? You can use this comment section to help inform and educate me instead of just trying to put me down for going out in the 90°+ heat to film these things for yall.
@@mylesrv I pointed out a particularly incorrect and potentially dangerous one. Watch your video and listen to what you said, then take a few minutes of your day and go talk to your technician's and find out why it was wrong, and why it is potentially dangerous for you to be explaining it to a customer that way.
You need to have that time with your technician's and more of it after this one particular item, it is actually important that you have this conversation with someone in front of you so that knowledge will actually sink in.
That or you need to take the more active approach to developing at least a minimal baseline of technical knowledge so you aren't giving customer incorrect and sometimes dangerous information.
RVIA I'm told has a fair presence down in Texas, the basic online course set from RVTI would be quite a good step even for a salesman to do the first level of the course. LCI has a pile of free coursework, most is probably more advanced but it's all good information for you to have.
I'm sure it seems like a pain in the a, but I deal with this same exact stuff almost daily with a service writer/salesman at the shop I'm currently at that absolutely refuses to put any effort into obtaining any knowledge that's not on one of the pamphlets until it gets to a point that a customer has a problem he led them into and/or something he can't bs his way out of. Put in some work, don't be like him.
Trying to point you in the right direction so you can head down a path that makes you more effective and especially not putting people's health at risk. If for some reason the technicians at your dealership don't know what the vent fan actually does - 1. Let the owner know because he/they absolutely NEED a higher level of training. 2. Come back here and I will give you further guidance to take back to your shop.
I really do hope they can help you, and you can take some lessons from them beyond this item.
dude open a couple of windows
It doesn’t make a difference lol
Price is a Little High for Size
It’s because it’s a higher quality camper than other competing brands at its size.
Over priced just like everything else.
I don’t think it is. I’d be happy to buy it at this price
By all means buy it, everyone else seems to know the quality is 💩
What exactly makes the quality 💩?
@@mylesrv
You need to do your research on the quality of builds since 2018…being a shill for dollars 💵…use Google and search Forest River issues…to everyone else, hire an engineer to inspect anything you are considering in an RV.
@@mylesrv
Since you deleted my last response, I will repeat…do your research of these units manufactured since 2017 until now…you will find your answer. Amazing how you claim no knowledge yet come off as “expert”
@@KenSiefert He asks for an answer and you give him... "Do your research" Hmm.....
this is not a Rv........ its a pull behind camper