"Hello, Chair..." Full Breakdown & Comparison of the Enterprise-D BRIDGE in Picard S3
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I'm not afraid to admit I cried at the reveal of the Enterprise-D. She's just as beautiful as she was at Farpoint.
Didn't tear up but did choke up and lost all words
Pretty sure everybody that watched it teared up.
@@eddieschwab864 Yep, we did indeed.
Any reference to Farpoint makes me want to cry, too. Because it was AWFUL to such an extent that it's TNG's F-bomb, and we do not speak of it.
Same, TNG was a show we watched as a family when I was growing up. So it was emotionally touching for many reasons for me. I just wish my mom and dad were here to see it, they would have loved it.
I know they only filmed on this set for a little over 3 hours. I really hope they didn’t trash the set afterwards. It is a work of art.
in an interview the picard team said they where all in agreement it should be preserved and is in the star trek archive currently
I hope they use this set for another TNG movie. Nemesis movie leaves a sour taste in our mouths.
@@raymondyu412 How would that work?
@@marmac83 Doesn't matter. Make it so !
No they’ve said it was 2 days
They did such a fantastic job with this recreation. It's heart breaking that we may never see this again post season end. I hope they consider going back to this kind of aesthetic in future bridges.
I hope not. I love this bridge but having an 80s aesthetic once again on the Trek ships to fulfill nostalgia needs is illogical.
Eddie, yer probably one of those people that are repulsed by carpet
@@eddiek8179 It is kinda deflating thinking that the E-D bridge is 80's retro. To me it was always classy, warm and inviting. The modern bridges just seem so harsh and purpose built.
Tastes change and time marches on i suppose..... ;)
@@wkbdgeorge Let's no be shallow and assumptive. Despite that edict, I'm certain you have comprehension when you know I said I love the 80s bridge.
@@rmg598 You know you are right. There's a way to blend the two styles for the best outcome. The Captain's quarters on the Enterprise in Stranger New Worlds is pretty warm, inviting and homey while being modern and current. Perhaps they can bring that aesthetic to other bridges on the ships while keeping it functional. The lighting and cinematography is critical - Bridges like the D if lit wrongly looks like a set and becomes dated. The D was lit and filmed pretty well here although some would disagree saying it was too dark. It's darker in comparison to the older shows but it is not dark per se. It is pretty cinematic and gives more depth and dare I say it, respect.
They did a really good job with the LCARS, especially when all the panels start up. Looks good while still maintaining the feel of the original
I loved that bit. It felt more alive without changing the layout. If you are going to add detail to old sets it should feel like it was always there, you just didn't see it before and that's how this feels. It's perfect.
The subtle differences can at least be accounted for in that geordi had to rebuild it almost from scratch.
And God bless his dedication and love...
And behind the camera, the production crew
Absolutely
Doubt, he was alone in the rebuilding. But, he was very much in charge, and yeah. Kind of have to have a lot of dedication and passion to rebuild anything. Be it restoring some priceless fancy lamp to a heavy tank to a Galaxy-Class Cruiser. Need as much passion and dedication to fill a ship that size to rebuild and restore her to her to her near former glory.
Especially since when the Enterprise D went down the bridge had had a refit with consoles on the side wall and an elevated platform for the command chair. Geordi and his team would have been not only restoring the ship but reverse engineering it back to its 2370 appearance. Presumably Geordi would have had to source the parts from the fleet or replicate custom parts so that definitely covers the little differences.
I agree, there are differences between sister ships of the same class in modern navys, so the little things that are a bit off just add to the realism IMO.
i will be honest, that yellow tone stuff, dosnt matter for me, they tried really hard, took effort to redo the bridge with mostly accurate result.
and i am grateful for the people working on S3 / and on this set.
it feels like coming HOME.
The lighting feels a little bit muted. But we shoot and light things differently in 2023, modern bridge design is SO dark... this is beautiful. They ARE showing us a modern view of a classic set. I love everything about this.
It kinda has a dreamy feel about it if that makes sense. Or maybe theyre just simulating one's vision while watching the set with tears streaming down our faces.
I think it's the colour grading pass that everything is given these days. I'm sure the set was spot on.
it was darker in GEnerations too. if you remember.
think they should have restored the generations bridge insteaD?
I have no idea why they decided to go with pink lights for the floor, side walls, and aft station strip lighting.
The key point to remember here is that this is not supposed to just be the original Enterprise-D bridge, preserved all these years unchanged, but a restoration by Geordi. Remember that sometime between "All Good Things..." and "Generations," the bridge had been changed rather significantly. And then in, in Generations, it gets basically demolished by the crash on Veridian III. So there was probably very little of the original to work with. So it makes sense that every single little detail is not going to be 100% perfect. I think from an in-universe perspective, Geordi did a fantastic job restoring it, and from a real-world standpoint, the production team pulled off an amazing feat recreating such an iconic set so accurately.
My only beef, really, is not in the set itself but in the lighting. I understand television has changed. But this is supposed to be an old ship from a different era. I think they should have lit it the same as it was lit back in the TNG days. Just my personal opinion.
As a note, the fact that this set was shot digitally while the original set was shot on film will change how the set looks.
One for instance is that on film light spots get washed out and you lose detail, while with digital media you lose detail in the dark places, this is why in the TV show you could see detail below the command chairs, while with Picard it's much darker below the chairs.
Terry brought in all of the original designers of the original TNG bridge, to consult on every aspect of this recreation - because he knew there would be folks like you guys who would analyze everthing for authenticity, including Michael Okuda to consult on all of the digital displays. For his contribution he got a starship named after him :)
It’s like coming home to the place you grew up in and I bet most of us on here grew up with this on our to screens , I remember laying on the carpet in our lounge at home watching TNG and totally losing awareness of the room I was in , it felt more like I was laying on the carpet of the bridge until the episode ended and I came crashing back to reality.
There will be more new members who has risen in mothership and spaceports, they'll feeling at home in floating cities.
The biggest change was in season 1 the wall behind the chairs and underneath them was painted white and they were anchored to that short wall instead of the floor, to appear like they were "floating", this became a problem with larger actors sitting on the chairs and so when they changed out the captain's chair they painted that lower wall part a darker colour and then securely bolted the chairs to the floor on pedestals beneath them rather than having them cantilever out from the wall behind them.
They faithfully recreated that change in Picard that matches most of the seasons, the little chairs off to the side of the main three changed and season-to-season, but those seemed to be able to be changed according to need from scripts, like a modular ottoman chair lol
They should tour this set.
I’d gladly pay extra to sit in the captain’s chair and get a photograph. They could rent this out to various conventions and use it for filming additional Star Trek ‘Legacy’ scenes
Now all we need is for the next episode to have a scene in Picard's Ready Room and Riker to come in and perform the Riker Maneuver.
I was on the recreated bridge at the Star Trek The Experience several times - the view behind the horseshoe is always awesome - Worf had the best seat in the house!
Agreed. We were at the ST Experience about a month before they closed. Many of the props had already been sold off. That walk from the “transporter” room along the corridor, and finally walking onto the bridge was spectacular. Shame they closed it.
Yea those sets were great. It is a shame that experience is gone
As a fan of TNG from day one, and a photographer, you guys summed up my feelings lighting wise in this video! Great analysis and great video!
The variation I believe is camera, film, post production. But more importantly, they might not be able to get the same bulbs
It's a restoration. These could be parts from other ships too. It was wrecked pretty well with dome ripped open too.
Headcanon for the lighting: Geordi changed all the bulbs out from service standard to museum-grade so that the carpet and upholstery would last longer due to less intense lighting.
Geordi never actually saw the original lights…
@@LG-rg4ut...what's your point?
@@LG-rg4ut ohhh that’s right and if it was done In secret I’m sure he (and daughter) could only get what was around after the Dominion war and Romulan relocation.
In addition, I think in the 2360s they still were using 1990s era yellow-beige computer case materials which colorized and altered I just over the years.
@@autecheee Fun fact. Beige computer cases were that colour on purpose because it actually didn't age as quickly. If they were white or a light grey they'd eventually yellow, but being yellow to begin with made it take much longer to show signs of age. It's kind of an ironic twist that we consider things that colour to be old because many things that are now old were that colour on purpose to avoid that very situation lol.
They did such a great job with this….I am kind of surprised they didn’t incorporate the additional stations from Generations…I know they did this to recreate the series version, but the final version of the D had the added workstations.
I would guess from a 'production point of view' the side/aux consoles wouldn't be needed in terms of immediate plot & filming (we don't see additional crew and/or wasn't scripted). Bu, if were Geordi curating a museum, i'd say: This was the most common layout dear visitors that I personally remember & environment we lived in while we explored the quadrant...
Geordi also most definitely had to source parts from other ships in the fleet, so maybe he decided to just restore the bridge back to its original state without the additional consoles.
Not just the side consoles. I think in Generations they brought Worf's console down a bit to make him a bit more level with the command chairs, but here it is back to the original height. No matter, it's fantastic to see it back!
They did a great job on this bridge. The new Enterprise-D bridge MUST be saved. But like you guys said, you can fix the color in post. So maybe they can fix it.
I would just love to see the TOS bridge recreated like this. It was done with love and care.
Well, they did recreate the TOS bridge for Enterprise, and I thought it looked fantastic.
Or perhaps watch TNG's Relics episode? They did recreate the TOS bridge there
@@lovipoekimo176 the Relics bridge was only a partial set unfortunately. You can find behind-the-scenes shots of it online, but it basically consisted of the captain’s chair, the helm/navigation console, and that one segment of wall containing the door to the turbolift. (The shot of Scotty entering the bridge was accomplished by blue-screening Doohan into archival footage)
@@lovipoekimo176 Relics used a very small section and camera tricks.
Honestly I thought we'd get several old ships from the fleet museum not just the D. Seeing the TOS/TMP bridge or the Defiant or Voyager or the NX would have been nice too.
James Cawley, the Okudas and Doug Drexeler were all involved in the bridge build.
@Woody's Augmented Reality James Cawley was heavily involved with TNG and DS9 and Voyager, especially with set design, that was his Forte.
His involvement on the other side of the camera was why when he created new voyages he was able to get a lot of alumni support on both sides of the camera including various actors such as George Takei Walter Koenig as well as various previous guest star actors. So don't write him off as a fake. Plus don't forget on one of the new voyages episodes he even got the guy that originally designed the Enterprise-d for TNG, Andrew Probert, to make a brief Cameo appearance at the beginning. So we're not talking about somebody that is a non-factor outside of fanfic world but somebody that has had extensive experience over the years with the show...
@Eddie Schwab I don't think that information is accurate. James is a great guy, but he was not involved in TNG, DS9, or VOY and he was not involved with set design for them. He did appear in the 2009 Star Trek film and his sets were used in an episode of Enterprise, but not the earlier series.
As you mentioned, the set was originally filmed back in the analog days of filming, and the way they did color grading back in the analog days was that they stuck a colored filter over the camera lens. If you look at the gray areas around the turbolifts, they have a lot of pink in them. So I'm betting that they used a pinkish lens filter in those shots where it looks less yellow. That more yellowy wall color may be correct - you're just not used to seeing it without the color tnit of the lens filter appied to it.
There was more subtlety available than simple lens filters. There was a process known as color timing where the final print could be adjusted to taste when it was produced from the camera negative. Whether there was enough budget or time available to do this on a TV series is another matter but if you look in the credits of movies shot on film you will see someone credited as the color timer.
Something to consider about the lights and grading is that PIC is shot and graded in 10-bit HDR. So that alone will change the colour saturation and would explain why the same light intensity would clip ("whiter than white") in NTSC but in HDR you can actually resolve the gradients of the ceiling light diffusers.
Honestly I prefer the muted lighting and color grading vs the old 90's feel, it is same bridge, but viewed from the perspective and eye of a modern movie
Camera and grading technology has changed hugely.
Whatever excuse they have for the lack of lighting on their sets goes out the window now. Brighter lighting looks great and you can see everything without straining.
I think it's a storytelling technique. The universe has gotten darker since the crew of the Enterprise scattered as changelings infiltrated Starfleet over the last few years. Now the gang is back to bring the light back to the universe.
It makes that scene where they turn the lights on more symbolic. More emotionally powerful. This is the trek we remember and they are bringing it back to us only because everyone is now back together.
Recent star trek has only two modes for lighting their ship interiors. There's a moonless night in a cave, or there is LENSE FLARE. Take your pick.
@@NatashaEstradaThis. This is the take. Thanks for putting it to words.
Honestly this new set looks more "real" to me like it looks like a functional starship bridge rather than a tv set with tv lighting.
I'm wondering if Geordi just swapped in an entirely different bridge module. The last time we actually saw that bridge on screen, it had side stations on raised platforms..
I have the theory that the benterprise did recevive a new bridge cap with the 2370 refit because starfleet reasons or because the fleet masume wanted to have a displable enterpise bridge for tours and to protect enterprise d orginal bridge. Considering the federation was going to war against the dommion.
@@dustind3960 Dominion war was not a Fete accompli when Generations occurred. Otherwise I'm sure that conflict with the Dominion would have been written into the script of the film. That being said it's certainly a Pity that they didn't make any films based on DS9 at the very least as well, after all we have yet to see if Captain Sisko returns from the celestial Temple
@@dustind3960 i think they extended the bridge for the movie that it fits more into the 16:9 format?
I hope we get to some other rooms including Picard's ready room, the conference room and engineering.
Space logistics and transportation control room, bridge office room, engineering hull, science and research hull…these are public zones.
Then to every crew member, they has their personal transporter, private room, bathroom, reading bar, personal fitness support system, real-time daily nutrition suggestion and healthcare results according to DNA and RNA scanning, interstellar delivery service between galactic centers and shopping/trade centers, etc.
According to what Burton stated, the only difference was this time they had a steeper ramp heading down to the stations. I was wondering where the Generations stations went on the redesigned bridge however.
Is it the ramp leading down or was it the shape of the horse shoe tactical panel? It looks like the shape of the horse shoe console seems off to me.
@@BimmerGuyFL I think that was just the camera lens stretching things differently.
The Generations bridge was likely too costly to reproduce and they were already overbudgeted, hence the use of the recycled Stargazer, La Sirena and Ten Forward sets from last season.
I remember reading back then that Paramount spent a fistful of cash updating the tv bridge set for Generations, even down to the costly widening redesign of the ceiling struts so they were more pronounced on camera ( to say nothing about raising the command stations and putting the set on a gimbal).
Overall, i'm glad they went with the simpler more well known version in Picard. :)
@@rmg598 the D bridge from the movie exists on film for an hour, the d bridge from the series exists for hours. Makes perfect sense to copy the television series over the movie.
I like the brighter colors of the D in Comparison to the dark dingy newer ships. It was great to see her back and them on her once again.
Regarding the color of the carpet and walls, part of that could also be She's been lived in (TNG) versus rebuilt for museum (Picard); plus, as you noted: lighting color changed for Picard. And as you said: Geordi rebuilt her, some of the parts are remade but with new processes and materials.
And lighting REALLY affects perception of color, which could also be affecting the look of the Picard-Enterprise versus S3-S7
So....
The saucer was recovered from Viridian 3. I have an issue with the fact we are missing the side consols from Generations. Not that I'm complaining, just an observation
That bridge was toast and bridge modules are, well, _modular._
What if starfleet happen to decide it was easier or wanted to have a replacement bridge installed for the movie star trek generations when enterprise got it first major minor refit in 2370 or 2371. Or maybe the procurer of tue starfleet masume at the time in 2370 wanted to have a major peice of enterprise d to be displayed at the masume for the main beidge was choosen to be place in the fleet masume because enterprise d was pluging with a new updraded bridge cap
@Lex no, that's very true, and I 100% acknowledge its series accident. It's just an observation, I guess.
I think Geordi wanted to restore the bridge to its classic look that it had for most of its life and that he was most experienced with. This is the bridge in its most famous state that is what visitors to the museum would most want to experience.
Similar to how the New Jersey remains a classic Constitution type rather than having been refitted to the same type as the Enterprise-A.
The team did a spectacular job! The amount of research and respect this team showed to the canon was remarkable.
With the new set, the thing that sticks out to me is soft focus and bloom.
Part of that is likely post process. But another part of it is also that the TV seasons are using some kind of strong lighting from behind the camera man to clearly illuminate the actors. In the 'Picard' wide shot, there isn't a strong frontal illumination light going on, and that makes it feel darker.
They should save this bridge for one final TNG movie. Have Terry and Frakes co-direct this film!
season 3 of _Picard IS_ the final _TNG_ movie…
The bridge set IS being preserved, reportedly.
And when they're done with it, give it to me!!
@@JohnnyX50 to keep it as a decoration or keep it as memorial of the Enterprise D?
I don’t know if anyone else has pointed this out yet, BUT… Geordi La Forge, not even 30 seconds from the reveal, stated that this is the saucer section that Troi had “crashed” on Veridian III.
Now, what that means is this: the Enterprise-D saucer section from the 1994 feature film, Star Trek: Generations is what crashed on Veridian III. Now, what THAT means is that THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT BRIDGE! THAT bridge (from Generations) was a “refit,” and had steps between the captain’s/XOs chairs and the ops/con stations, which they, too, were closer together, among other things. Again, it was a refit. The bridge from Picard, however, is meant to look like the one from the TNG series. I only mention it because Geordi just said it was THAT Enterprise; the saucer section that crashed on Veridian III in Star Trek: Generations.
So, if it truly came from Veridian III, then it SHOULD HAVE looked like it did in Generations.
i know i am not the only one that cried when they all got on the bridge together. it was just so wonderful, i cannot believe what a great job they did in recreating this. it is sad we don't have the original set but this one belongs in a museum.i just want the whole last episode to be on this bridge focusing on the TNG crew, and please I beg you do not kill any of them off
That Star Trek Experience bridge recreation is beautiful. It's so close it doesn't matter if the light bulbs are too yellow. They had two on the Experience. One of them was taken away to replace it for the Borg 3D ride, and packed away, presumably to Paramount, and then the other stuff was destroyed in 2008 when the ride got taken down entirely.
They must have saved that bridge. It showed up on the Tours too.It's the bridge we got to walk all over back in 2006 or so. Same bridge. I sat at every console and got to look it over.
If it's not, it's a near perfect recreation of the season 7 bridge from the Vegas ride.
I love that you can see one of the iconic black bits of paper in the 1987 Bridge set in the thumbnail
Must have been great seeing that bridge in person again after all those years. Did a fantastic job recreating it.
Keep in mind that the Enterprise-D saucer was mostly destroyed on Veridian III in Star Trek Generations. Geordi rebuilt the Enterprise-D the best he could with newer or modern material. So it’s not going to be a 100% match to the original. With that said, it is a damned good recreation. Loved seeing the D again. I missed that Enterprise the most.
Also,the framing of the shots back then vs 2023
Isn't picard shot wide?
Tv was 4:3 and this picard show is 2.40:1?
That would play into contrasting visuals how we see the bridge now and then
I'm just happy they recreated the bridge so faithfully and didnt do some modern take on it. When i saw the set pictures previous to the episode launch i thought someone was pulling my leg and showing me touched up photos from the original TNG set.
Seeing the actual episode had me in shock to say the least.
I really loved seeing the Enterprise -D Bridge.
Where is this new Enterprise-D bridge set now? Is it still intact or torn down after Picard ended?
The in-universe explanation is good enough that the differences don't even leave even a minor impression on me. I especially appreciate the obvious newness of the carpet.
I hope this recreation of the set never gets destroyed. In fact it should be setup in a museum somewhere and taken care of.
I was once in the Enterprise D, in a Hollywood museum and of course I seat at the capitanis chair. Although some parts like the ceiling were missing is conceivable that Paramount had access to some of the original parts. Anyway they did a minucius rebuild and any color changes or difference in tones can be easily explained out by for example aging materials getting yellowish in color, or some parts like the carpet being replaced during the restoration. Also editing, color grading, type of media, cameras can give an image a different tint.
When making a recreation of something as complex as a bridge scenario that was literally destroyed decades ago, inconsistencies are prone and expected to happen, and I don't fault them for that. They did do an amazing job, regardless. Though if we think in-universe, I believe it is safe to say that such differences are due to the whole ship's restoration process. The saucer section _was_ severely damaged and the shots of the bridge showed the thing completely wrecked. So in-universe, we can understand that Geordi had to replace almost everything inside the saucer: Carpets, chairs, consoles, screens, panels, lights, etc. Like restoring an old car, get everything absolutely the way they were is nearly impossible. Even the own factory (on rare occasions when the factory makes the restoration of a car for someone) often doesn't get everything exactly as they were when the vehicle was new. Real world-wise, they did a fantastic job.
I haven't watched Picard yet (I'm still new to Trek and only watched TNG and DS9 and am about half-way through Voyager at the moment, as well as having watched the first two TNG movies, so far) and to be honest, wasn't really interested in it, but this here changed my mind. After Voyager and Enterprise, I'll be giving Picard a watch.
I don’t know if you watched the 3x10 sneak peek yet, but I noticed the red alert graphics on the wall beside the aft work stations have this gradual fade in and fade out effect that In the TNG series was always an abrupt on then off blinking. Just a nitpick though, everything looks fantastic! 😊
Also in the teaser the aft vertical alert panels completely flashed on and off, whereas in the show only the top and bottom flashed (the center remained solid).
@@rmg598 You are correct, during season 1 the top and bottom graphic blinked and the two Center ones remained solid. Season 2 onward all four blink. As well as the isoliniar lockers were brown and solid as opposed to the individual grey lockers. I guess Geordi wanted to restore the bridge to what is was mostly and not the season 1 or generations variants.
You could argue that was down to LCARS updates. Even if it's still using old systems the software can still be updated to something more recent.
@@TalesOfWar True, there would be some expected updates when putting together 2360's tech decades later. I dont really see them nitpicks as such, just pointing out differences for fun. :)
The designers DID change the dimensions of the set in that the back half of the set is higher than the TNG bridge. LeVar mentioned the ramps being steeper now. The wooden arch sits higher than in TNG that's why you can see more of the rear stations through it, when the camera is on Picard's chair. In the same shots you can also tell the arch is taller now since the captain's chair headrest doesn't reach as close to the arch's front access panel outlines as it did in TNG. Some minor changes in the light bars of the side panels (tng blue / picard yellow hue) and in the carpet design where red meets gray (tng had straight lines / Picard has curves). Minor things. The designers truly did an amazing job on this set. Props to the set builders for their attention to detail.
One thing that's definitely not changed is muscle memory. Sir Pat Stew's full "engage" move - lean forward, say the line with the gesture, lean back into the chair, slight head tilt? That was hammered into his cerebellum through endless takes over seven years and that's never, ever, ever going away.
I think they did a pretty good job of restoring it! I'm just curious why they didn't make it look like the bridge from Generations since that is how it last looked. Guess they were just going for the full on nostalgia!
That's down to Geordie.
Guys have a look at the Ready Room. Mike Okuda tours the bridge with Wil Wheaton and any colours changes/saturation might be more noticeable 😎
Tristan, did they even build the Ready Room? I dont recall seeing that in the Okuda tour. I figured the bridge was all we were gonna get....
Duh. I just figured out you meant Wil Wheaton's show, not the set. Ha
@@rmg598 🤣🤣🤣
The Syracuse took a Jem Hadar ship to its saucer section during the Dominion war which destroyed most of the forward sections but left the bridge intact.
That bridge is now sat atop the Enterprise-D saucer since the Enterprise bridge in GEN was smashed to bits with gaping holes ripped in it.
This also explains how the Syracuse stardrive section was available.
Most of the Syracuse saucer wasn’t salvageable, but the bridge and engines were.
So, as we know Galaxy class bridges are swappable modules, Geordi simply swapped out the smashed GEN bridge and replaced it with the Syracuse bridge, while only making a few minor alterations (dedication plaque, names of the ship on consoles, etc.).
Thus, any discrepancies in the bridge can be explained away due to the fact that it’s not the same bridge from TNG. It’s a very similar module from a different galaxy class starship.
*disclaimer: the above may be headcanon
10:00 You can see on the backs of the consoles that they're more in shadow on Picard and you also noticed the shadow on the crew as well.
11:50 Where the bezel of the viewscreen meets the ceiling illuminated area is more curved on TNG.
On the right panelling beside the door you can see a block shadow cast indicating that there was a spotlight on the far left of the set
Again, warm lights above the doors in the Picard version as opposed to cold lights.
Slightly sharper edges on the front consoles.
One other thing I noticed was the warm light on the Picard version in the front console stand as opposed to the cold blue light in the TNG version.
I think lighting is one of the key things and it also affects the colour grading. All looks a little more movie like with fewer lights used to give more contrast rather than a more ambient feeling of the TNG.
Absolutely fantastic job however! So soooo much better than I expected. Truly remarkable and great that they didn't mix and match different season's versions of the bridge! It's just season 7 right don to the wooden frame on the plaque which is great! Hats off! A lot of love shown in this recreation!
This is the most fun game of spot the difference! 🤣
You also have to remember that in universe this is also a reconstruction from the ship that crashed with significant damage to the bridge. They also removed the stations that were added to the sides. It’s all perfectly explainable within the fictional setting
From what I understand of the technical manuals (which isn't extensive), the ships were modular in design so that entire parts, like the bridge, could be removed and replaced as a whole. Perhaps between "All Good Things" and "Generations" the shipyards refit the bridge module (which accounts for the extra work stations on the side) and put the old bridge module in storage. When Geordi rebuilt it in Hanger 12, he could have reused the old module instead of trying to rebuild the destroyed one. As for the color, he only ever saw the D bridge with his VISOR (with the crazy way that it synthesized every end of the spectrum), and now he's looking at it with his ocular implants.
Behind the scenes, the way they light the set is different now. For TNG on tv they used lighting stands behind the camera, and you can see the multiple, harsher shadows behind Picard when he's sitting the his chair (14:30). Also, the color grading is quite different as can be seen by the skin tones; Picard's skin is much warmer in TNG; much cooler in ST:P. Everything else follows suit with the warm/cool balance.
I am LOVING these detailed breakdowns of episode 9 by various RUclipsrs! Bittersweet feelings about the final episode. It is almost certainly the final time we will see the crew of the Enterprise D together. That sux, but at least we get to see the save the day one last time. I can, and cannot wait.
I'll take it. Never thought we would see them together again after Nemesis. Very glad they were able to talk Stewart into it, as a TNG reunion was most definitely not what he wanted to do when he signed on for Picard.
I’m also amazed about the…I don’t know what to call it, the padding on the left and right of the bridge is gray, but originally it somehow appeared slightly purple-gray.
Whether they intended to or not, I think there’s a message for the Axanar production team of “Paramount can faithfully recreate something, too.”
I hope this set is reused in a rehash of Star Trek Experience. Setting on foot of thier Enterprise D bridge was an amazing experience
The two bridges built to handle the volume of visitors at the Star Trek experience were very good, but one notable difference is there was very little rise from the front at the bridge up to the rear, probably for handicapped access reasons, the top the captain's chair almost hits the top of the horseshoe because there is very little slant to the side ramps in the Las Vegas versions.
Other than that they were amazing.
I got to take a behind-the-scenes tour of the Star Trek experience and able to linger as long as I wanted, I had my picture taken in the captain's chair.
But they did change that one little aspect with the side ramps however I do hope those were saved and put into storage because there are so many people that would go to visit them where they allowed to.
The only thing I noticed was that the glass dome in the ceiling didn’t show 1: the space dock when it was in dock 12 or the stars while it was back in space. Other than that it is a very well done replacement and it definitely brought back the nostalgic memories of watching this bridge for 7 years plus 1 movie.
The small differences in colours can have a lot to do with fading on materials over the 20 years when exposed to the air. I have an old computer from the 90s where you either pull off a sticker or open up somewhere that was never exposed to light or air and you can see big differences.
Exactly. That’s what I was thinking.
on the Ready Room episode, Michael Okuda took Wil Wheaton through the bridge. Michael mentions that on TNG they used a lot of fluorescent and neon lights, and with Picard they used LED lighting. Thinking about it in story, Geordi was restoring, so new lighting could have been installed during the restoration process.
i feel like it's the lighting mainly. Picard's ceiling lights are so dim, like lights going through plastic coverings, whereas the TNG lights look like they are actually the entire bridge ceiling, which illuminates the set entirely. I know that it's probably a similar style of lighting, but if they had used either thinner plastic or stronger lights (or both) to recreate how incredibly bright the ceiling lights are, I think that would have changed everything on set
One thing we should all be able to agree on, from an in universe perspective, now that the crew are on a ship with proper bridge lighting they should be able to see what they're doing and not get surprised by random things cause everything was so dark.
A cheeky note: it's a little known fact that the crews were overwhelmed by the assimilated crews is because they kept tripping over things when trying to get a better tactical position because the lighting was so dark.
When the recovered the saucer section from Veridian 3, it was thrashed. Everything would have needed to be rebuilt or replaced. It makes a lot of sense that everything wasn't exact.
The first thing that stood out to me was that the picard set looked a lot neutral and flat. I noticed that things looked more yellow such as the walls and chairs. From the series, I thought there was more cool grays, hints of purple and light browns.
I love this recreation. Oh boy the feels. Personally though, the Generations bridge with the extra consoles and John A. Alonzo's lighting was my favourite.
Except for the Odyssey which appeared to have the same style Bridge module best as can be gathered, it certainly appears that the bridge module on the Galaxy class ship was designed flexibly for I guess different command prerogatives and stuff. Example first off the substantial difference in bridge design in yesterday's Enterprise, as well as certainly the Yamato before it was destroyed the bridge on it look substantially different from that of the Enterprise Captain varley's Bridge command chair those set forward further of the horseshoe with a glass partition behind it then of course if you watch the episode parallels you see the drastic changes to the Enterprise Bridge would certainly probably are various other normative forms of bridge design for the Galaxy class. Particularly differences in various consoles and the coloring especially with the Tactical and presumably still comms station
The bridge is 99.9% perfect. The thing I noticed is the height of the con and ops panels .I think the chairs for have been and inch taller. Love it non the less.
I prefer the tng closeup shots, the brighter lighting, and the color hue of the walls. Everything in the original was better.
If you take into consideration there is no original set to make any live references to, no original paint to sample, no original type of lamps available, no materials that were used all those years ago that could possibly be the same shade, quality or the ingredients used to make the plastics, glass, dyes in the carpet. You couldn't possibly expect them to re-create it absolutely bang on. Budgets are budgets and I for one think the team there did an absolutely stunning job to the point I got goose bumps when I saw it. It bought a tear to my eye at the shear effort that went into making something for the viewers who would appreciate its majesty and history. If I ever won the lottery here in the UK I would be hiring those guys to build me a fully functioning house based on the Enterprise D schematics. It would be an honour to let them show off their skills and determination and hard work they are capable of. Who wouldn't want a wall of blinking lights and Okudagrams :D I WOULD!!
I did notice they rebuilt the bridge to pre-movie Enterprise D since there are no stations on the outer walls. And its missing the raised command area.
As for the startrek generations movie enterprise d bridge i alway thought thr the ridge cap was a totally new galaxy class bridge. Which leave option the orginal enterprise d bridge ws already at the fleet masume in 2371?
They did an awesome job at recreating the Enterprise D bridge. Yeah, there is a more bright yellow pallet to the walls but it still looks freaking awesome.
When you guys were talking about the differences between the seasons and how the bridge changed, a couple of things I think you guys forgot to mention. In seasons 3, 4, and 5 the lighting on the bridge was more cooler. But for 6 and 7 it was warmer. And during season 3, the carpet on the bridge changed. Early on through up at least to The Defector, the gray carpet was changed to a very light gray. But after The Defector and definitely on The Best of Both Worlds, the gray carpet went back to a darker gray. I myself liked the lighter gray because of the contrast it gave. And it made the bridge feel brighter.
The front chairs are missing the frills on the edges/sides
You mentioned that the view of Picard in his chair was made with the camera at a lower angle to that used in TNG and that is why the crew stations behind were visible.
That is true, but also TV today is made in widescreen format. Even if the TNG camera had been able to achieve the same angle it wouldn't have been able to show as much of the background so the effect wouldn't have been as dynamic as the new view.
I hope the producers filmed the new bridge without actors so it can be used in any future episodes like the shot of an empty bridge from TOS was used in the TNG episode Relics.
I have loved this season of Picard especially with all the "Easter eggs" for Star Trek fans to enjoy. Looking forward to the final episode.
Great work! It was so refreshing to see some brightness on this show, even if it wasn’t perhaps quite to TNG brightness lol
I would love to have a video game that faithfully, beautifully, and accurately renders the Enterprise bridge in stunning high definition.
Back whenever Star Trek Elite Force was being developed, I was a member of their message boards and the developers were pretty active on the boards. One of them in particular was really eager to make as much of the ship as possible with level design for the fans.
The difference in the appearance of the lighting might be because they used fluorescent lights in the series and the ones used on the new bridge set look like LEDs
Incredible reconstruction and remarkable achievement. Words are inadequate..
Always amazed at how timelessly comfortable this bridge is as a workspace, because Andrew Probert is an industrial designer. The E bridge was trying too hard, was too cluttered, had stairs to fall down and today looks like a 90's Sharper Image store in shapes and colors. If I was on a shift measuring planetary anomalies, I'd want to be on the D's relaxing workspace of a bridge.
It's a very impressive recreation. I suspect that they had some kind of colour references since they also used original blueprints to construct this version of the bridge.
I will say that the colour grading of the TNG remaster never felt right to me. I much prefer the darker reds of the uniforms but that's just what I remember from the early 90's.
They tried to match the colour grading of the original broadcasts, which were made for CRT. CRT had a tendency to not produce reds quite as richly as other colours, so they would overdo the magenta slightly when grading (or use a gel while shooting) which is why a lot of 80's and 90's TV shows have a kind of pink look to them when watched on modern TV's. They toned this down when they remastered them to look how it was intended to look on a CRT, but on a flat panel if that makes sense.
I loved it, and for everything that got 100%, I can excuse little changes as "Geordi had to replace/repair/repaint significant damage during his rebuild. I can also forgive the update to actual screens for the rear stations because we got that *gorgeous* start-up sequence, _and_ they went to the effort to recreate the way neon or fluorescent lights looked behind the coloured gels of the original!
Edit, this set looks absolutely amazing in the behind-the-scenes when Wil Wheaton visited it.
I hope they do a bridge experience like they used to have in Vegas. I would love to be able to sit on this bridge!
unfortunately with the lighter yellow all i can think of is like a piece of old 80's tech that went yellow in the attic.
The bridge was not restored to the way it was when the saucer section crashed. The extra side panels and raised platform below the three command chairs are gone
Right, the chairs are not raised up on a platform with stairs either, Gordie wanted to recreate the Enterprise as he knew it for the longest time during her service, not just on its last mission where it crashed.
I certainly agree with what you said that the PIC set looks so good that the mind kinda lingers a bit and kinda thinks its fake despite it being a real set. Outside of the nitpick however, the rebuilding of the set is mind blowing and amazing.
There was an interview with Mike Okuda where they mentioned being confronted with the issue of the difference between flourescent lighting on the series vs LED now
Y'all REALLY need to watch the Ready Room for this. They go IN-DEPTH with the construction of the bridge. It's VERY informative. They did not use LED screens for the LCARS!!!!
I can tell they didn't use LED screens, noticed that right away, all the other lcars on LED screens are too sharp, flat and pixelated, are desaturated, and fade quickly at any angle where the originals had bright warm lights behind them with much smoother sand organic corners, and look good at every angle since they were actual lights and had depth to their construction.
One comparison is missing: the generations bridge was modified with additional stations and steps.
In universe they probably switched out the bridge module for a newer version right before the movie. After the D crashed the old module was sent to the museum and was in better shape than the one that went down with the saucer.
The obvious thing is that the lights on the Conn and OPS stations should be blueish like the ones in the alcoves and on the Captains chair
I’ve noticed that the BTS pics coming out look much brighter and closer to how it looked in the 90s. Be curious to see that analysis too.
9:00 season 1 and 2 seems to have the desks where Geordi and Data sit angled but starting on season 3 it seems they made them straight, and looks like Picard's version is also going with the season 3 and onwards with the front desks.
The chairs on the other hand I see that the Picard chairs look closer to the S1 and S2 chairs.
I watched the segment on the Ready Room where Wil Wheaton and Mike Okuda were touring the set. Back during TNG, everything was lit with neon lighting. They attempted to recreate with LEDs, it’s not quite right, but I live that they really tried to be as accurate as possible.
It's so great to see the Enterprise -D Bridge in Picard S3.
I noticed that the two asymmetrical black “rectangles” above/behind the captains chair are etched into the material. In the original they were just painted on.
If you're getting your screenshots from the Blu Ray, those were remastered from the original film and re-color-graded. So there may have been more consistency between seasons as they originally aired and appeared on DVD.
The thing that stood out for me beyond anything else was the colour of the light of the two front consoles. Very much bluer in TNG, and looking somehow aged and yellowed in Picard - I suppose perhaps deliberately?
One note I will make is - I *think* - that the lighting changed during the progress of the scene - not just the initial ramp-up but a gradual, secondary, build up towards the end of the scene. It's subtle and it might just be my brain filling in gaps but I think the lighting goes from 0-80% in a few seconds, then the last 20% over the course of the following 2 minutes