The NEW Enterprise-D: A closer took at a classic REBORN - (Picard S3)
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I love how in this episode, you can clearly see the scars of the crash and that the saucer has a distinctively different colored patina than the drive section. They didn't have to make those details, but I'm glad they did.
The stardrive section is from the starship syricuse
I noticed that too and took it as the grime from crashing in Star Trek Generations vs a clean stardrive section.
They also made details like missing hull plating on the stardrive section. It give the impression of she can fly and fight but not quite done yet.
as a reminder , that secondary hull is from another ship entirely , it could have been configured different .
See thats my thoughts. It's from a different Galaxy-Class that may have had slightly differences in construction. Probably a later model of the class that, while it didn't warrant a new classification, had upgrades/changes to it.
@@kaliek5281 best guess its a DW build
@@kaliek5281 I was thinking that could have been a nice line of dialog from Worf "At least she seems to have inherited some of the Dominion War era refits."
I agree. When parts are changed out on ANY vessel in real life, there will be small changes in angles, materials, and especially underlying parts. When engineers find ways to make little improvements, those improvements have a cascade effect. Change a few pieces of important components, the other components surrounding it might need to change too.
@Collin S. People are nitpicking the crazy maneuverability of the ship and I think this along with a few other details and assumptions basically cover that criticism. The entire star drive is almost certainly an upgraded version compared the the D. And that's where all the power is coming from, iirc Geordi mentions that a lot of the saucer is incomplete, I like to believe that it's mostly empty space with a lot of the modules pulled to gain access to the structure. It is likely massing many many thousands of tons less than normal.
I think a bit of dialog about narrowing structural integrity and inertial dampers to crucial items like the hull and frame it's self and anything holding a critical system combined with some shots of interior spaces being absolutely wrecked by their maneuvers would have covered the critique and added a bit of drama and tension. The issue really being that there seemed to be little risk or effort put into that fight. If the ship was being pushed well past redline and suffering actual damage it would have only been more epic.
I get goosebumps knowing that the Enterprise D didn’t die on Viridian 3, but had one more day of glory.
@@accidentcellar6307 in DS9 the Galaxy class ships maneuvered like this. you destroyed your own argument
@@accidentcellar6307 then you are not a Trekkie, end of discussion
@@accidentcellar6307 Having seen every TNG episode and Generations myself, I can second to that observation. In spite of this, however, I personally enjoyed seeing Data maneuvering the D tightly through the Borg Cube, and I think they gave a good enough explanation for it to suspend disbelief: Data’s new body, much more human-like than his previous one, yet with the same astronomical computational ability. Even Data admitted that it was statistically improbable to tightly maneuver such a massive ship into the core of that Borg cube, but unlike the Data from the past, he now has a “gut,” and he made a human-like decision to listen to that “gut.” I think his “gut” feeling came from knowing in that moment that he had beyond-superhuman reflexes and computational ability, and therefore felt confident that he could throw the rule book out the window and maneuver that ship to unknown limits beyond any textbook or the wildest imagination of any human.
And that power slide maneuver in the scene where they pick up Jack, Picard, Riker, and Worf wasn’t Deanna- Data was still flying, with Deanna mostly guiding Data to their location ;)
@@accidentcellar6307 "I never watched ds9, don’t care about it"
See, then your argument falls flat since you're comparing TNG to Picard, when you should be comparing DS9 to Picard... But the obvious reason why ships didn't move as fluent in the 80s/90s, is because they were working with large physical models, which may be harder to rotate, move the cameras around etc. Now with CGI, this makes things a whole lot easier, and probably as it always was intended.
@@jarrodskufcagaming5203 Guess I’m not a Trekkie then, either. I can’t stomach DS9. I’ve seen every episode of TNG, VOY, ENT, Picard, and all of the films, though, and also like TOS and SNW. And I really enjoyed seeing the D maneuvering into and out of the cube in Picard.
But nope, I can’t stand DS9, so I’m not a Trekkie. Oh well.
Talking to the chap responsible for the interiors earlier. The model used for the observation lounge is the digital model used for the Titan lounge interior with tweaks. Ten forward was modelled but flipped for Nine Forward above. Time was also a major constraint and he stayed up all night to sort these out free of charge so they looked just right and not rushed. Incredible work done!
I'm surprised you didn't applaud the inclusion of the scorch marks on the leading edge of the saucer being there, or like and point out how there is a clear change of colour and texture between lhe saucer and the new secondary hull.
Omg, I honestly was starting to think I was the only one to notice that, well done you eagle eyed you....👍👌👍
Oh we noticed, but we were focusing on other things in this video :)
@@SGUDistantHope sorry I don't know who you guys are yet, are you one of the dudes from the video, top or bottom, do you know what I'm gonna ask I've only asked about 5 times 😅
@@EZ-D-FIANT Im the English guy on the bottom :D Hiya! Ask away...
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To the viewers perspective, right of your ear on the poster is a ship that looks like a leviathan from farscape, (an oval with 3 tentacles trailing behind) what is it?
I can pretty much identify every ship there except that and it bugs me every time I watch you (which is getting more often cos I genuinely love the content)!
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I loved in the combat shots of the D, you can see the dirt and discoloration around the rim of the saucer from where it crashed.
You can also see the dirt line vs the clean line from the saucer to the star drive.
You are wrong. The saucer impulse engines were lit up in the war era configurations of galaxy class ships in DS9! In the best of both worlds riker evern says when talking to shelby that "we might need the power from the saucer's impulse engines" when rebuffing her plan to separate the sauser in part one.
They were lit in ds9, never tng. Riker said that line in best of both worlds but no exterior shots of the Enterprise ever revealed that. No shot ever in the series ever showed the saucer impulses engines lit except when they were separated. So no they are not wrong
@@ericmooney5740 DS9 and TNG and Voyager exist in the same canon universe. You can't really separate them like that--just because you didn't see something on screen during TNG (because the visual effects budget and cgi capabilities were rudimentary in the early 90s).
I am not saying you necessarily had to have the saucer impulse engines lit up. But the explanation that they weren't lit up in TNG as the reason "why" doesn't make any sense.
TNG also made it seem like starfleet had some number of dozens of ships. 40 starships engaged the borg at wolf 359. Shelby tells picard in the end of Best of Both worlds that "we'll have the fleet back up and running inside a year". Which seemed like more confirmation of the total number of ships available.
We know from DS9 that the reality is, starfleet had thousands of ships. These kinds of discrepancies are explained "in universe".. i.e. Hansen simply meant they only had 40 starships near by.
By the same token, trying to explain something is "TNG only" doesn't make sense "in universe".
Now, of course :) non of this matters. Picard is a stylized version of TNG era start trek. It doesn't really follow any canon rules. I mean, the galaxy class ships are now retired? :) After 25 years? even though they were suppose to last for like 150+ years.
Despite a lower budget, Terry Matalas' team spent every penny where it counted.
*Oh and that scene of the D flying towards Jupiter paired with the musical score was epic. It's gotta be up there in all of Star Trek in terms of fly-bys.
Absolutely gorgeous!!!
Windows looked amazing!
Shuttle bays 2 and 3 are correct sizes
Nacelles look great!
Saucer impulse engines being turned off was great!
Phaser strips looked back to normals
Lights all correct.
...wasn't so fond of the plating outlines...but I loved the contrast between the saucer and the secondary hull. Was just subtle enough to so that anyone who would notice these things would be reminded that it's a different hull. That's realism!! Brilliant!!!
...and the flyby ahead of Juptiter looking like th TNG opening credits was great! 🙂
So happy to see this!!
Terry Matalas got the modern equivalents of Jason, Atalanta, Tiphys, Euphemus, Lynceus, Theseus, and all the rest back together on the Argo. Which everyone had thought had sank, but there she was as Argus had built her, and she spoke in her familiar voice. That is what NCC-1701-D was to an entire generation of fans.
@@antforce6233you've proven you've not been paying attention. We already had word on Elnor for a start.
I understand why they rechristened the Titan A. It was the second last ship Picard and his crew served on. They could not have just built any ship to honor the Enterprise and her crew but had to choose a ship that is related to their final mission, a ship Picard has an emotional connection to. It's the ship that brought him to his son. And without the tiny Titan the Galaxy would not have gone on her final mission. Let's say the D had to step in when the Titan was facing a mission too large for her. See it this way.
P.S. And also, the Enterprise G is a NEO-CONSTITUTION Class ship. Back to where it all began.
The only reason they should be on is for more maneuverability in the Hero run into the cube.But in the show there are certain scenes that had the saucer impulse engines lit up along with the star drive.There is even scenes that have the impulse saucer engines have the covers on them.Trekyards is right,but so are the Trekyardians. Also the Syracuse was most likely built during the dominan war and the construction was a little different then when the d was built,newer alloys and strengthing was done.Terry was diving into the beta lore and Gamma lore on some stuff.He is A Hardcore Fan.Also all of you are too
This pass over was astonishing to me. I could see into the rooms through the windows and see furniture and colors of walls and the ready room table and chairs. It was a super treat!
Amazed that the Enterprise D certainly did not die on Viridian 3 at the end of Generations, it was to be rebuilt to have one more day of glory - and that was fighting the Borg single handed in Picard S3 E10. I am not concerned about the minor inaccuracies on the Star-Drive section as it has got a newer Star-Drive section (from the Syracuse) so the 3 Light Bazard Collector is intentional to reflect that and the colour differences from the Drive and Saucer section.
The different deflector was a conscious choice, given how she's a completely different stardrive section.
Do you know for certain? Or is this your theory?
@@vengeance1701 Yeah there was a twitter Q&A going on where they said it was deliberate.
@@vengeance1701 Well, E-D 1.0's star drive was destroyed.
Due to the Veridian crash damage.. the lounge is now renamed Ten Scoreward...
The.lounge on the front of the bridge module is 2 forward, a separate lounge. 10 forward is on deck 10 and is on the bottom of the rim of the saucer, which is evident by the way the windows slant.
Three things I also noticed: 1. There's no window for Picard's Ready Room. 2. The position lights near the Impulse Engines of the Saucer are blinking which they shouldn't and 3. They messed up again with the Hangardoor of the Main Shuttle Bay... but that's a thing which they already messed up with the crashed saucer model in Star Trek Generations. Oh... and what's about a meme regarding the wrong lighting of the Bussard Collectors? ... Picard saying: "There are TWO lights!" 🤣
In the opening of season 1, episode 1, "Remembrance", the Enterprise-D's Bussard collectors also had three light elements each, too, so it's not something that was introduced when the restored ship was revealed.
Imagine you are a VFX artist and they call you in, telling you you need to build a model of the D. And do a tunnel run with it inside a Borg cube. Then imagine how much effort you would put into it.
The shot with the inside of the windows visible is a separate model and was only used for that one shot. Everything else is the model we saw in episode 9. The key giveaway is the extruded window frames. That closeup shot had no extruded frames, had completely different designs to the escape pods, and was also ruined with gamer lens flares on the nacelles and had generally poor texturing throughout which made the hull look like a jigsaw puzzle with black lines around the edges of every piece. I would say that the closeup shot was either added much later, or much earlier in a different VFX run.
Best guess as to why people think the saucer section should have its impulse drive lit up is because the Star Trek online game has all three of the impulse engines lit up at all times. It was the first thing I noticed when I got the Galaxy class for the first time when playing sto.
The completed and fully repaired ship in the museum shot looked fantastic. All the Veridian 3 damage cleaned up and Syracuse portions blended back into Enterprise.
I think all the small inaccuracies with the stardrive section are intentional. If you look at the behind shot, it is even noticeable how different the hull hue is between original Enterprise's saucer and ex-Syracuse.
Also makes me wonder how often docking one ship's saucer with another one's stardrive happened back when the Galaxies were in normal operation. And I would love to have that one question bothering me for ages finally answered: is Nebula-class capable of saucer separation and if so, is the saucer compatibile with the Galaxy?
There were lines in the New Frontier books about salvaging saucers and star drive sections of Galaxy-class ships that were damaged during the Dominion War being married with functional counterparts to get ships back into the fight faster. The Galaxy-class Excalibur-A was commissioned from sections of 2 ships. Makes sense logistically during wartime.
@@ToyHunter-wc9dz Yeah, I suspected as much that such things had to happen during the Dominion War.
The nebula saucer looks very similar (clearly kitbashed indeed), but in fact it is, depending on the variant, much more embedded, and somewhat different, I doubt whether it could separate. It is also, if you compare the ship, a lot smaller than the galaxy saucer. So not interchangeable I'd say.
@@bosyber Most of the comparison pictures I've seen actually has the Nebula saucer to be exactly the same size as Galaxy. It appears smaller due to less windows on its surface, probably owning to the more utilitarian nature of Nebula compared to Galaxy. I doubt this has any veracity in anything considered canon, but I once found a site (I thought it might've been on Ex Astrist Scientia, but either I'm wrong or it was since then removed) which presented the history of the Nebula prototype as a ship that originally used borrowed USS Galaxy saucer for test purposes. Like I said, this is super non canon, even with as loose as Trek is with its secondary canon, but I liked that idea so much I always ran with it. And in my headcanon it is exactly like that. Nebula and Galaxy saucers are not identical, but both capable of separation, dimensionally the same and compatibile with each other.
Did I say that Nebula class is my favourite Federation ship? ;)
the fact that the Enterprise D handled a Borg Supercube on it's own and they just put it in a Museum after Starfleet lost dozens of ships.
i was wait.... WHAT?
It had about a year in between, so in theory it was busy being used as a diplomatic ship and the ship they use to create the transporter changes.
all Data skills. he was pissed off angry with the knowledge of Lore.
@@christinacody8653 yet shebis dully repaired in those scenes
Never noticed that Enterprise-D had separate turbolift shaft to the Conference Room visible from outside. But it makes sense, since you would not let hostile races for example Cardassians go through bridge and see everything to get to the Conference Room.
What you’re seeing there is actually 9 forward (the other bar that’s above 10 forward) where the windows slant backwards instead of forwards / Picard quarters are on deck 8
If you look real close at the front of the saucer, and where it connects to the star drive section, you can see where the front of the saucer looks ‘dirtier or weathered’ from when it crashed on Veridian III. Similarly, where it connects to the star drive section, you can see the saucer looks a little dingy - showing it’s age and remnants from the crash landing. Very impressive detail!
Especially the lower section of the saucer. Plenty of scuff marks after sliding all over Veridian III 😅
At the front view and close up....the saucer has the crash marks from Veridian III
I enjoyed the Enterprise D at warp with the classic warp effect - once again it shows what the show runners can do if they want to and are allowed to...
In DS9, the Galaxy Class going into battle has all impulse engine on as they charge in.
Yeah that was ds9. In tng specifically the Enterprise -D it never had the saucer engines lit unless they were separated
In universe didn't Starfleet Command change the policy to have all 3 impulse engines for better efficiency?
@@jeffd8465 No. It was simply a mistake by the folks doing the CGI.
@@bmused55 according to memory alpha by the mid 2370s most Galaxy class ships ran with all 3 impulse engines active.
It would make sense for all 3 to be ran at all times for the extra power since this would be the time frame for the start of the Dominion war.
It was great to see the old gal again in her full glory for sure
Hi guys. The new ST: Picard model of the Enterprise D shows the 4 recessed lighted squares near the center-underside of the saucer are NOT windows! That is correct as well!
Yep, those 4 rectangles are the deflector for the saucer section.
Probert had them as a super lounge but Sternbach forever had away with that and turned them into an auxiliary deflector.
@@andiholman2543 Exactly!
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On the Picard model, as a dad I find it appauling the number of lights that have been left on when there is only half a dozen people on the ship!
haha
but to be a serious nerd for a second, with the power the warp engine puts out and no doubt the energy efficiency of light bulbs 300 years in the future, interior lights require probably .00000001 percent of the available power. futurrre
Yes the Bussard Collectors have three light sources and the original Enterprise did not. But you must remember, that section of ship is not the original Enterprise but its the Syracuse. While the style can be close, it’s plausible (like in real life naval ships) that later constructions of the same class of ship received improvements. Even though there are 4 Iowa class battleships, all four have unique traits to each ship (as a real life comparison.) The Enterprise was the third Galaxy class ship of the line and should be considered an original ship to the original engineering specs. A design that is also much prior to any improvements that came later following the exposure to the Borg and the Dominion war.
Bingo
Some folk seem to think a design never changes. That a ship launched one year will still be identical 30 years later, that no improvements would be made, no modifications. This is unrealistic and naive.
We saw in TNG the D got a new warp core. It's more than believable that as more Galaxy Class ships were built, lessons learned from the original 6 were used to modify and improve the later versions. These improvements would then later be retrofitted to the older frames. The class WAS designed to be modular and accept upgrades.
Had the Enterprise-D not been mostly destroyed and written off in Generations, she may have received these upgrades at some point.
The Arleigh Burke class of US Destoyers is another example. The newest ones are still of that class, but feature better technology than the original batch. Look fairly similar outwardly, but have many changed internally.
As a long time Star Wars & ILM fan, the scene with Data’s Return of the Jedi easter egg. “Here goes nothing” entering the Borg Cube. Matching Lando’s line taking the Falcon into Death Star II. This final episode a love letter to fans of all the shows and those of us that enjoy the background details and artists behind the magic.
Also thought final shot with Enterprise and Titan was a call back to final shot from The Undiscovered Country. One of the final shots with TOS “on board” the Enterprise A, matched with Sulu’s Excelsior. To me it’s what I saw and appreciated the nod of the cap.
Here's where the fun begins!
@@guspaz Solo IV and Skywalker III! Simple but great quote.
Yeah, they clearly had fun making a ROTJ inspired run out of it, cheeky and well done to me.
@@bosyber Agreed, and out of all the ships in my collection. I can see the X-wing, A-wing, and Falcon flying into many places, thanks to Rogue Squadron novel series. Never in my imagination did I picture the Enterprise flying like that. It was the perfect send off, and it restored faith in where we are going Sci-fi. Strange New Worlds first season’s characters and effects. Movie quality for a TV show is the standard now.
Rebirth is like having that new starship smell and plastic still covering the LCARS display boards. This is clearly a refurbishment job with clear signs of the crazy glue still needing to be rebuffed.
06:37 such great info and exactly why I watch you all. So good
The thing with the impulse engines is the Enterprise is in tight quarters. Her engines are firing off and on to maneuver around in there. Impulse and retro thrusters are firing all around the ship
I'm really impressed with the Picard S3 model. So good. The paneling on the port nacelle and the neck doesn't bother me. It's like restoring a classic car sourcing replacement fenders and panels from another car that's the same make/model. It's going to look off until you prime and paint everything. The nerd in me wishes the stardrive came from the Challenger instead of the Syracuse, but hey. Lol. Nice video, guys.
Further, there's a line of dialog where LaForge specifically mentions that's one of the areas where he still needs to do work.
It is a wonderful model rendering. They need to make a Playmates 2023 Enterprise D and also this version, and a full crew from Picard. :)
To quote a wise man on the filled in windows thing...
"You didn't see, but your brain did"
For added context for these kinds of shows, VFX is usually done by multiple VFX studios at once (ILM is just one of hundreds in the industry), it’s very expensive, hard to coordinate and usually needs to be done in less time than is ideal. So there’s always going to be a lot of inconsistencies in terms of detail and quality. The Marvel films are a really notable example.
Yep! :)
At least one galaxy had all the impule engines on in ds9 and since its the dominion war variant, I always took it as one of the upgrades it had. The class clearly had been upgraded since atleast one had one the the all good things upgrades on but it had been flipped 180° (if I remember correctly) so the class itself probably got upgraded to have all 3 impulse engines on but since its the original primary Hull it made sense for them not to be on
The "expanded canon" / Fanon for the Galaxy is that the later ones had all 3 Impulse engines on all the time at sublight an extra torpedo launcher added to the back of the saucer (not visible when combined) and more of the interior space was not filled up (no civilians either).
One would presume they also added holo emitters and other improvements.
Now since the Galaxy class type the Enterprise saucer is is so old, it's reasonable for them to be off. but if it was a later one i'd strongly suggest they should be on.
One could argue reasons why they might be off or on on a case by case basis too they might be using the reactors for a secondary purpose and decided to have the propulsion on too for example.
I am frankly not the least bit bothered either way and wouldn't consider it an 'error' either way.
The Enterprise-D looks more modern (internally and externally) than any of those other ships. I bet it would win a battle with the so called Enterprise-G.
The beauty of designing a timeless ship
It depends on the installed equipment. Play STO. Galaxy class and neo-Constitution class are just a platform for the installed equipment and it takes effort to obtain good equipment e.g. gold rated Type 14 vs purple-rated Type 12.
My STO ship has mostly gold-rated Type 14 equipment.
Star Trek Ship USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D, USS Enterprise NCC-1701-F, USS Enterprise NCC-1701-G, USS Enterprise NCC-1701-M, etc
I genuinely didn't know that the saucer impulse engines were supposed to be off. Think I've played too much Star Trek Online, lolol.
The team who worked on this model, they did absolutely stunning work here, it's actually incredible.
During the Dominion war all 3 of the galaxy classes impulse engines where on so later galaxys had them on
Enterprise D was gorgeous in Picard, I hope we can see its transformation to Galaxy-X class sometime, would be really nice. :)
I honestly feel there is more gravitas in a real life filming model. If they had more of a budget to use the old 6 ft model it. Would have been a perfect blend
With all the chat about the impulse engines on the saucer being unlit, as in TNG and Generations; The recall seeing them lit in every shot of “These Are the Voyages…”, which I thought was strange.
I know Gabe K from filming Trekkies in Bakersfield. Good stuff promoting his work.
I actually kinda like how puffy/ballooned the nacelles look on the picard version :)
Syracuse had a cool secondary hull. It still has the Syracuse name and registry on the secondary hull on these shots.
Captain’s quarters were not on the leading edge of deck 9. The windows are completely different. They are not the larger “10 Forward-esque” bay windows.
The mighty D is alive and kicking!
I don't know if this has already been mentioned -- if it has I apologize for the repeat. The mysterious "glowing bits" on the forward ends of the Nacelle Pylons is a highlight coming from the same light source that is striking the top forward starboard quarter of the Primary and Engineering hulls.
It looked beautiful.
I take a lot of the "difference" to be just the light angles and light source coloration for them. Like a picture of a person's face with full on light can look smooth but angle the light and make crags appear, or freckles or age spots that one didn't see previously.
I feel lense flairs are appropriate. There's no way you could look at a brightly lit ship on the darkness of space and not see them. Whether they come from your space suit glass, or a cameras lense.
Interesting that the Enterprise D was shown being shutdown at the museum after the 1year skip meaning it presumably remained in service for a year? Makes sense given the state of the rest of the fleet. I wonder what she got up to?
I really love seeing the Enterprise-D again.
Geordi did a pretty good job!
Every time I listen to BTS about how multiple VFX studios work on the same project, I'm always astonished and a little befuddled as to why they don't share the resources to ensure a perfect continuity, they probably all got the same starter model, but this team had this deadline, and that team had that deadline and they all had the directive to improve the model, and they all were able to achieve different levels of quality depending on their deadline... but still. For once they had the whole season planned from the beginning they knew they were bringing the -D out of mothball's they should have had the highest quality model, shared among all the teams at the start
Timelines and budgets.
The stardrive section may have been a dominion war upgrade varient and refit so that could explain the extra lights in the nacelles, the hull colour may have been slightly different compared to the earlier saucer.
I like how people complain, yet they clearly forget a few things..
Firstly, Picard was shot in 4K so the upscale and detail of the Enterprise would be significantly better, yes it's on Amazon in HD, but I'm guessing they'll release a 4K edition soon enough so they'll want to take advantage of the upscale, including the ships.
Geordi also pointed out he'd been rebuilding the ship for the last 20 years, he doesn't explain if he did it on his own or he had help, so assume he did it with very minimal staff and probably as a side project when not doing other duties. Big ship to repair if on ones own. He'd probably have the best schematics and, will be working from memory too, so that could be explained for any subtle differences in rebuild.
The only complaint I have of episode 10 was the way it flew around in the Borg cube, Data flying skill or not, the Enterprise never flew like that. Although, quite like the 180 turnaround when it sat above Picard, Jack, Riker and Worf to beam them out. Reminded me of Voyager.
There is a question from a logic point of view for when Data flew the Enterprise inside the borg (I'm assuming is was an entire unimatrix). Why would they not have separated the saucer section and just flown the drive section in. It would have been easier to get through all that being smaller than an entire galaxy class ship after all, and everything depended on them succeeding. I know the show makers wanted to give the D a fantastic final heroic moment, but it still.
That's assuming the saucer separation system was functional. Geordi mentioned he didn't have time to work on the weapon systems so Dr. Crusher had to fire them manually. I doubt he would have put any time into saucer separation either.
For sure. 10 forward. You can see the structure inside as it's cruising by and the color of the walls and floor and the bar.
We need Final flight Enterprise as a skin for the Galaxy and her variants in STO.
The original physical model had these strange TU-95-style window-like features at the back of the struts, right below the nacelles. Could those be the reason for the glow? (They are, admittedly, unlit in the TNG intro, but can briefly be seen right before the ship goes to warp.)
Couldn’t you argue that the ship could have just as easily kept the Syracuse name? Assuming that most of the Star drive section was originally part of that ship. Given that the saucer section crash landed on the surface of a planet, it would be reasonable to assume that bottom one or two decks may have been shaved off by the saucer sliding across the ground. Based on what the bridge looked like at the end of Generations, I would guess that the interiors of all the other rooms would have been ripped apart as well when the saucer finally stopped.
Now that Paramount+ wants to make a stand alone Star Trek movie every couple of years, I would love to see Levar Burton Star in a documentary style movie explaining how the saucer was recovered. Then we could also get to learn how much of the Syracuse was used to recreate the Enterprise D. It could be possible that every Galaxy class starship (maybe some Nebula class ships as well) that was damaged beyond repair during the Dominion War donated parts to rebuild the Enterprise.
i feel like any beef we have with the secondary hull, can be chalked up to the Syracuse is more than likely a last batch galaxy ship construction. Who knows what bits were changed theoretically.
The Enterprise D with the Syracuse stardrive could fly like that as we've never seen a fully capable movement of the ship like that, and it's in space after all. The only weird thing is that when they beam the crew back up, there should have been a huill breach on the cube, and all the air should have rushed out. They could have tossed in a line, 'we've passed through their atmospheric shield, and most of it is still there. Our people are down there' or something.
i believe Data extended the ships shields around the area prior to beaming.
No. That would be awful.
to be fair the bold textures and dark shades in the lines are more realistic when you place a big ship in SPACE lol, no atmosphere creates pretty bold contrasts. also the shuttle bay looks more rectangular because of the effects used for the appearance of depth, reduce that camera effect and you can see more of the top of the saucer section including main shuttle bay.
"Canon, canon, canon" - by definition, if it shows up on the show, it's canon. No arguing around it. So instead of boresighting on details, "hmmm, looks like the D is looking especially photogenic this time around."
I think on the Ent-D schematics it indicates that that there is also a Deck 9 Forward that is also a lounge environment.
I think ppl are confused about the saucer impulse engines because of DS9 and Voyager. The Galaxy class's we saw there all had their saucer engines active for whatever in-uni reason. They also glowed a more orange hue VS the main impulse engine. But the big D did not have them active while the saucer was connected. Maybe later versions did for greater speed and maneuverability....who knows.
All those little details CAN and DO change on real-world ocean craft and space craft. When something is replaced on a a real-world vessel, there will be little changes and details that are not going to remain consistent. I mean just for a funny example, I got a new catalytic converter installed on my car, and there are changes to the outside of the housing. I mean, just get your windshield wipers changed and they are going to look different from the ones you originally had. It makes sense that the overall shape will be similar, but not as consistent as you might expect.
The ILM model was made in 1994!! It still looks incredible that's a testament to the GC artists being way ahead of their time definitely a trend with them. Also didn't digital muse have to rebuild the D model for Ds9?
Yes it does!
Nope, digital muse got the asset from ILM, convert it to Lightwave then made a few tweaks. Foundation imaging then made a few further tweaks when they used it for Voyager a few years later. Texture + colour tweaks but the same geo.
@@SGUDistantHope ahh I didn't know that I apparently misread Memory Alpha thanks for the info. Even more testament to the ILM model!
@@jamiewilliams4212 Its different when you actually have all the 3D models in your archive and can compare :')
Honestly I loved it. Yeah there were some changes but that’s reasonable for it going through the absolute hell that it did on Viridian 3. Remember we all thought she was dead in the water. Basically this is still the same ship but keep in mind that if you have 3rd and 4th degree burns all over your body your gonna look a little different when it’s all is said and done depending upon the damage. So this was very reasonable.
I think Titans Elgin’s are lit up on the saucer section n every shot.
Titan’s engines
The Enterprise D could supposedly accelerate up to 10 Km/s^2 to a maximum speed of .92 times the speed of light, inside the Borg cube, the Enterprise was speeding at about one Enterprise length per second, so that's around 641 m/s or 2,307 km/h, a single impulse engine was all they needed
Still didn't mention the differences in the neck stripe
Well done Gents. 1701D has never looked better. I had been thinking the same thing myself about the flypast and being able to see into the windows. I always felt disappointed that there was so much of the ship left unseen or unexplored in the 7 seasons I.e Main shuttle bay, the huge arboretum at the rear of the saucer section, torpedo bay etc. I understand the budget restrictions and then limitations on CGI and set build. This recent rendering puts Discovery to shame.....and don't get me started on those crazy Willy Wonker type journeys using the turbo lift where you see huge open spaces outside the turbo lift. That was almost as irritating as Kirk et all jet booting up through 50 plus floors in a turbolift shaft...... rant over!
I honestly prefer it when we CAN'T see rooms and hallways inside the windows when the ship flies close to the camera. The reason? To me, it makes the ship look smaller somehow. I can't explain why, it just does.
I originally thought the Syracuse bussards might be a tad different, possibly upgraded. The detail on the finale model was B-E-A-utiful, it's a real shame the D is now part of the museum and we'll never see it fly again...I would've loved to of seen it refitted to the Galaxy-X during the 1-year gap and that be the G.
I like how Sam spent the entire episode complaining about the secondary hill from a different ship like it was the original hill from the D.
A few years back he mocked the Parliament having big impulse engine housings as an "ape-brain" decision by the Lower Decks team.
Presumably the producer had no idea this happened when he recorded intros to Trekyard's videos.
Every single Galaxy class from DS9 and Voyager in CGI was the ILM model, which means all their secondary hulls were identical :) In early DS9 they used the same miniature for the Oddesy as they did for the Enterprise...so its secondary hull was identical.
This new ships hull can be different, but clearly the model makers were trying to make a faithful Galaxy class secondary hull just as they tried to re-create the bridge faithfully.
I was also not complaining, just working to give a deep dive breakdown...we say this model is fantastic many times.
I'm somewhat agnostic about changes to the model. The models, both digital and original physical model, are there to represent the "real" (fictional) ship. If anything, I'd be looking at the technical manuals to see what the correct values should be.
Frame by frame as always guys.
Modelers would definitely change minor things for different ships. Wouldn't be the first time. They gave the Defiant in In a Mirror Darkly 15 blades in the bussards rather than the 12 of the Enterprise.
As far as i know, according to the Tech manual, The saucer impulse engines are not on while docked and the fusion generators are used as auxillary power generators.
Tell that to ds9 nearly every galaxy had them on
@@serina3872 oh don't get me started on every time star trek ignores its own established lore and technology....there's not enough time left in the time line to discuss that much time....what were we talking about?????
The more prominent hull plating on the nacelles I chalk up to it being from the Syracuse.
If they made a new show what’s stopping them from refitting the D and having Riker at the helm and have the G in service at the same time? Is it not allowed to have 2 Enterprises?
Since Starfleet is based on Naval traditions on the US and the US not allowing two ships with the same name I'd have to say there can't be multiple Enterprise in Starfleet either IMO.
Wow, didn't realize there was missing plating on the stardrive!
The first thing I always look at for any Galaxy Class model is the deflector dish. SO many models have bad looking ones. I've seen some great Galaxy Class models that I prefer over the ILM variant. I think some good ones I look at are the models in the Ultimate Universe Mod for Star Trek Legacy.
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5:24 wait 10 forward is BELOW Picard's quarters, OH DEAR, how often did he take a broom and angrily knock downwards off screen lol
12:08 also a note with the ILM model there, what you forget is that that version was ment to be used with other ships in DS9 so the render detail would be tuned down for optimization in the battle scenes, as they never had any names, as you gotta figure the computer can only do so much, especially in 1998 with rendering ships ontop of each other
and in composite too, as you gotta figure they probably had to animate one ship with another, then layer this, layer that
vs say the USS challenger in Voyagers timeless, which was much more detailed with the name and everything on the bottom
also apparently the stardrive came off of the ship he said he took the engines from, so what he got is what he got, and they raised the detail to give the ship definition on screen
as the thing was shown in 4K at a special premier, and it was ment to highlight the difference between the weathered and matted saucer, and the glosy and fresh stardrive that you could say was fitted with abliative hull plating.
also I kinda think it would have been funny if it turns out that they just missed a shakedown cruise with the saucer, hence why Jordi was so cross at picard showing up
hence why all systems were go, like he just got the thing sorted and then the guy himself shows up lol
i love that the D is parked and ready to go
I just watched episode 1 of season 1 TNG. Was just unreal knowing how it all ends.
@7:03 What they did it perfect in the movie. Using the impulse engines from the would not provide maneuverability; that is what the thrusters are for. In fact the faster speed would have made it harder to maneuver.
What they should have done is separated from the saucer to ride the extra mass that would have made the star drive section more maneuverable and to better fit in the tighter spaces. The torpedos launch from the star drive section after all. It would have have been nice to see separation, however better cinematically to have everyone on the main bridge.
If course has it been the star drive section only, would it have have really been the U.S.S Syracuse flying around since the star drive hull is from the Syracuse? They should have separated the saucer.
In DS9 during the Dominion battles, the saucer impulse engines were on. :) The internet apocrypha technobabble reason at the time was due to more power redundancy and maneuverability. Since the Enterprise D was destroyed before this implementation, and since LaForge restored it to the pre Generations spec, it makes sense for the saucer impulse engines to be off.