I loved its launch from DS9. Two years ago, I was able to find the 1995 Revell-Monogram Model Kit of Voyager in 677 scale. Of course, I ordered the updated Voyager Decal Set from www.federationmodels.com
Kudos to Sternbach for designing such an elegant and sporty trek ship. It is my favorite design. Kudos to Trekyards for having this fascinating discussion.
I grew up on Voyager, I know I'm in the minority here but it is my favorite Star Trek series. I think it is the most beautiful ship in Star Trek (especially with armor), it has aged very well. Thanks Rick, the Voyager is truly a beautiful and timeless design. The front of Voyager kinda looks like the Orville ship.
When I was a kid I liked how different Voyager was from other starfleet ships, it looked "sportier" and the nacelle articulation was cool. I also liked how the deflector and torpedo tubes looked like a smiley face. :D
Voyager has always been my favorite Star Trek ship from a design perspective. It always reminded me of a Chevrolet Corvette Stingray for some reason. Just had a very sleek, fast look. Most other Trek ships (except the Defiant) were more bulky looking.
I never understood the fan's need to saucer separate with every ship. A - It was always meant for dire emergencies (unless you go off the original plan for the D, then they wisely agreed that having it separate every time there is a battle would be dumb and expensive). B - It worked for the D because that ship was almost ALL saucer. It made more sense then escape pods in that ship ONLY. Everything else is a bit more stocky and escape pods make more sense. C - Don't talk to me about the Conny, I know it technically can (more in side canon), but it couldn't reconnect (making it EMERGENCY). It was also pretty saucer heavy....and I don't know personally if escape pods wouldn't make more sense with it either. D - Prometheus was specifically designed from the ground up to be ALL about it, and I don't really consider it the same maneuver. There is virtually no reason to separate the saucer for battle in other ships. It weakens the ship. It has only been useful in some very specific and peculiar situations that aren't worth planning for as a whole (Best of Both Worlds comes to mine) Yes, its cool. Is it a valid tactic 99% of the time? No. Escape pods make way more sense.
Missing questions: - If in the end they literally took a spoon and put it upside down to finish the design since the more bulky concept fitted into that form. - If the curvy form was an indirect influence of Probert's 1701-D with its organic shapes (because Starfleet would go now for these organic forms when designing ships after the 1701-D was created).
I pondered about Voyager's maximum warp for many years.With a top cruising speed of warp 9.975, and relatively speaking, cruising means that the ship could continuously sustain that velocity with no trouble, say 80% of maximum. According to my calculations, at 100% the top speed would be warp 9.990463, however, on the episode where Kes evolved, the warp core went to 120%, bringing the ship to warp 9.990556.
I always liked the Voyager design, for the most part, and even though it wasn't my favourite design, the ship's top profile is gorgeous, I do personally think the pylons could've benefited with a permanent upward motion as from the side, the design always looked a little flat to me. My favourite part of the ship was on the saucer with the darker grey forward inner detailing.
Thank you all this was a great episode and very informed i am happy i got to see it . Voyager is a favorite in starships of mine partly for its custom changes while staying to a classic feel . The term less is more is proven greatly with it. Although i always wished it a bit bigger say the 350m mark to better explain its ability to hold its oun aginst large-scale ships as it did i am still very happy with it . Honestly i hope and pray to see a newer star trek air with a larger voyager type as the lead . That im sure we all would watch.
I have always felt that separation capability was overrated. I'm glad it wasn't emphasized more in the various Trek series and episodes. The Captain's Yacht or Aeroshuttle mission craft is all the separation I wanted. Very sad not to see it on Voyager.
A friend of mine once told me Voyager looked like a giant space slipper. Ever since then, I cannot unsee it. Would be a nice product to make though, Voyager slippers. XD
Ricardo Warner It is canon that the material of the coils is densified, yes. but not canon that this material is Dark Matter. That is the explanation given by Rick Sternbach on the Trek BS as to what the material is. Warp coils were typically composed of cast verterium cortenide surrounding a core of densified tungsten-cobalt-magnesium. (VOY: "Investigations")
+Ricardo Warner If I'am not mistaken, in one Voyager episode they landed the ship on a planet and the ship started to sink in to the ground and they could not take off. So they retargeted the phazers to cut off the landing struts to free the ship so they can take off. But that meant they could never land the ship again.
08:25: Now THAT is something I'd like to see. Would be neat in a future series to show some technological progression. 12:12: My rationalization was that the round shapes were for exploration while the pointier, more aggressive-looking ships were reserved for war. One thing I like about the Intrepid-class: -The short warp nacelles: Just like with the D these nacelles feel much more powerful than say the E which feel faster but less powerful. One thing I don't like about the Intrepid-class: -The exposed nose. From what I understand it is supposed to be a sensor array, but it feels like a kid who got his nose broken.
Enterprise's saucer separates as a life boat. Enterprise D's saucer separates for combat efficiency and protection of civilians, Voyager has more/better lifeboats, no civilians and (according to Janeway, don't remember the episode but remember the comment) is designed for combat efficiency. There's no need for her to separate and a separation point would be a weakness to her superstructures integrity against high stress events.
Rick!!! It's great see you on Trek Yards. -Heres the thing....Rick and Probert are more traditional illustrators with a functional design aesthetics. Artist will recognize that in their work. Neither would ever use the the Term "Monkey Brain" in terms of Trek abilities. That's turning into a Trek Yards catch phrase. I think it serves the fans to think in this way. Drex is a traditional CGI artist...likely one of the first regular ones. He's not quite Ryan Church who designed the JJ Prise and the prequel Star Wars ships. Nonetheless Drex doesn't think as often in terms of function...he just justifies it. Probert and Rick in their hay day didn't have the perfect environment of CGI, they think in terms practical model work like the original Star Wars movies. Their work in my opinion is better for it...often more convince and more impressive frequently well thought out unlike say the Sovereign Class.
voyager ship is styled excellently. the early sketches have the galactic/space1999 set up head/thorax/abdomen. I like the designs where the nacelles roll down with the fatter ass end as opposed to the selected design.
I do at least like how the lack of the shuttle was explained in one of the official novels, apparently early on they could not spare the fuel for it, and evidently it was used for spare parts due to it not being used. However the hull was left to avoid compromising the hull integrity, but the space was still habitable and was used by Janeway to get away at time since she could still lock everyone else out.
Don't quite get the fuss made over no saucer separation. While your right that the Connie could and is slightly smaller than Intrepid, the Connie couldn't land as a whole ship. The Intrepid can so sort of negates the need to have saucer separation. Also, the thought that saucer separation is a "standard feature" doesn't sound right considering there are plenty of ships where it wouldn't be an option due to the design...some even bigger than Intrepid such as the Akira and Norway Class. The Aero Shuttle always bothered me in Voyager. While the Delta Flyer was very cool and the story of the crew building it was great why did they have to build it when they had a big assed shuttle slung under the saucer section the whole time?
+Reloaddcr I often tell myself that what we see on Voyager's hull is just a placeholder, and the shuttle itself hadn't been installed when she was lost on her fateful mission. It's the only way I can make sense of the story.
+Reloaddcr I agree Sam, pushes the Saucer separation very awkwardly. Separation is a next to useless function in battle without warp power (aka The Best of Both Worlds)
I think the nacelles rotating upwards, to within sight of one another, plays within one of Roddenberry’s ship rules that states nacelles need to be within sight of each other to establish the warp field.
I really like the design, nice and compact made more sense than the earlier designs with a bunch of "scafolding" between the individual parts of the ship. Only the nacelles looked a bit small.
ThanksMrFrank...I agree, it seemed a huge oversight not to have a secondary emergency warp system within the saucer of the Galaxy class ships. Maybe once the secondary hull was clear panels would slide back and something more substantial as far as bigger nacelle's would lift to create it's own warp field. It makes no sense to send all the families and civilians over to a ship that whatever enemy is threatening them would have the easiest job of intercepting it and doing whatever as the engineering section fought it out with another ship or two. Just really bad thinking and as the Enterprise D was destroyed, all it seemed good for was a giant lifeboat or escape pod equipped with hollow decks and a groovy bar in Ten-Forward....
I'm glad the design went through more revisions after the mock-up was made. To my eyes, copying the Runabout warp pylon design to a full-sized starship seems inadequate and out-of-scale. The mock-up nacelles were cool, though.
I think the reason why voyager doesn't separate is because the entire crew can fit into shuttles/escape pods. The main reason for separation is to avoid catastrophes like a warp core breach, and with the entire crew being able to fit into other smaller crafts, there is probably no reason for it to separate.
I hate saucer sep ability, just makes me think how weakened the hull would be. Stick to your guns Rick! Not all of us have a hard on for saucer seperation.
+PaxBritannia in my opinion I like it though I even think its overused by fans....as its supposed to be a gimmick and being able to eject the warp core is the reason why it's rare in canon (since most people know the whole purpose originally for saucer seperation is to evacuate people from a warp core breach and to save atleast part of the ship)
***** Yup since you have to design the ship around the separation to make it look right (Prometheus class being the only canon ship that looks right with it something even the galaxy class can barely pull off). Though I when I see a trek ship that can break up into small parts and its done right I give it props.
Voyager has no need for saucer separation. The Enterprise d has tons f civilians, so in battle, they need to be protected, but voyager doesn't have civilians. (except for kes and nelix)
I figured the warp nacelles moved up to be in the correct position to generate a stable warp field, and lowered in sub light travel to drop them below the firing arcs of the saucer phasers
i love the Prometheus... when i played ST Online in 2014-2015 i used that ship, i specked it out to max with various load outs for purpose, despite the fact that in game, other ships where way more powerful...
But it wouldnt work. They need to be facing each other to have the field intermixing from the two nacelles. Now they are angled upwards and not facing each other directly
@@lucri988 Unless whatever field emitters there are are obliquely mounted. It also could just be like the other TNG nacelles that are supposedly two nacelles in one.
@@noahcheckman8542 guess it could be that way. From outside it looks slanted but from inside they look directly at each other. But from images the angle makes that seem impossible.. Like they don't even cross "line". Where is it stated that TNG has two-in-one? Don't remember that. As far as I remember they could never go to warp with just one nacelle
@@lucri988 I honestly don't even know myself. I kinda lost faith in Star Trek's warp drive after I tried figuring out the warp scale and distancing. VOY in particular isn't on my recommendation list for watching Star Trek, just because the technicals are such BS.
I thought it was made like this Producers:we need the new ship to be a bit different any ideas Designers:how about make the saucer section be the shape of a spoon Producers: great idea get to work
Voyager is a beautiful ship! *BUT* the small nacelles always bothered me! I still feel like they could have made them bigger/longer to off set the length of the saucer!
On the topic of saucer separation, I always wondered why when they were having those huge balls to the wall, all or nothing armada battles in DS9, why not separate at least a few of the ships to create more targets? Shields weren't really effective in those situations, surely it would've helped to bridge the numbers gap? The joy of nerdy hindsight
I think that for most older ships it was literally an escape pod, an alternative to shuttle evacuations and escape pods at a time when help wouldn't be particularly handy. The idea then lived on as a legacy in the Galaxy but didn't really pay off and was dropped in newer ships in favor of pods, counting on the relatively numerous ships of the fleet and wide ranging communications to arrange a rescue. For ships on the frontier the feature may have been useful but I doubt even the D was ever more than a few weeks from rendezvous under normal circumstances. An idea I had was that the large saucer of the Galaxy aught to be replaced with a trimmer up armed/armored hull or pod for direct battle. Something like the Nebula pod crossed with the Akiras and other new ships tactical pods.
The reason they never used the Yacht shuttle is they needed the shuttle bay for other then Star Fleet ships or cargo to land in. Never mind that is someone had to leave the ship for good or stole it, You had to build A new one some how to replace it.
The Intrepid is a beautiful class. Aesthetically, one of my favorites. It's too bad Voyager felt like a hodge podge of the other series and had a much less consistent story line (Janeway at times felt they needed to get to Earth ASAP, avoiding contact with other species, other times intervening or making contact with aliens and taking their time, other times killing Tuvix, *cough*).
I don't think Intrepid class starships were designed to separate. The starship Voyager could enter a planet's atmosphere and land on the surface. Enterprise D was not designed to land on planets as a whole. The saucer section could separate but only for emergency situations.That's why it had shuttle crafts.
Good god what is it with you and saucer separation, Commander? It seems so pointless. The only reason it makes sense for the D is that the D is very civilianised so there can easily be reasons to need to go into a situation with the civilians not being thrown into the risk. But for virtually any other craft? Seems a terribly pointless idea.
What are these several? I know Galaxy, and I presume Nebula since as far as I know, it was originally designed as a rescue piece for abandoned Galaxy saucers. Any others? To me those other pieces have a distinct reason to have separation that just isn't something that would apply widely. I suppose it's somewhat like landing struts. Those definitely don't apply to most vessels. I wouldn't call them a standard.
Can the latter three do so canonically? I believe the Sovereign is entirely concept art, and it would make so little sense for such function in the conny
+ThatsMrFrank yes they can… The Constitution could do it and the saucer could act as a lifeboat and land on a planet surface. It was mentioned in the TOS episode "the apple". Kirk mentions to prepare for saucer separation should the need arise. Also the original storyboarding for Star Trek the motion picture had a deleted sequence in which there is a saucer separation and the secondary hull explodes. If you search TOS saucer separation on Google you will see many examples of it including the storyboards for the motion picture that I just spoke about. There is also a depiction of the TOS Connie saucer in its separated landing configuration. With its landing gear down.
8:19 I really liked that middle design there when I first saw it in one of the Star Trek magazines at the time. IMO that's what they should have gone with rather than the articulated pylons. How does that even work anyways? Do the warp plasma conduits have a plastic bendy straw section in them?
7:07 omg i realy realy like that design! that had been an amazing Voyager too imo (nothing against the final one, i like it alot beside small details like the to short Nacelles but that beauty of an idea * ^^ *)
So what gives with having an alternate/spare warp reactor shown in the design that was never once used? How many times during the series arc was the ship reduced to impulse-only by means of a failed/ejected warp core, and the spare reactor was never fired up to restore warp capability? Even if the spare reactor was less powerful than the primary, there are several episodes where it could have been used, and it didnt enter the story. Or when the (warp) core was shortly replaced with a slipstream core, why not keep the primary reactor as-is and use the spare reactor for slipstream? That way they'd have had both options available, assuming slipstream had worked out to be viable (whole separate thread there!) If the answer, like so many other "ooops" in the Trek universe, is simply that it didnt make for good writing, then OK that's cool.
Concerning the Bridge module: Did I understand Rick correctly, that the bridge module on the Intrepid was visioned from the start to be a detachable module? Stupid followup question: Whatpurpose does a detachable bridge module serve (apart from being handy in drydock during bridge deck upgrade).
+Justin White Watch the Andrew Probert episode discussing the Constitution Refit. Andrew designed a separation and even panel-lined it on the ST TMP model. In an earlier draft of the script the Enterprise was supposed to separate after leaving V'ger and than had battle the three Klingon K'tinga's that V'ger apparently didn't destroy at the start of the movie. I think they even showed some of the (recreated) story board sketches.
I thought the "variable geometry" of the warp nacelles was explicitly to tighten up the warp bubble to mitigate that problem of warp fields deleterious effect on the fabric of space in "Force of Nature"
I think the real problem regarding the shuttle bay isn't whether it could accommodate the Delta Flyer but that it could have accomodated between 10 or 17 of the shuttles Voyager apparently lost ! Not to mention where Neelix's ship, the Baxial was stored !
And I know you guys at Trekyards have to be diplomatic in your effusiveness of cannon starship designs because of your involvement of the creators and studio design staff on your channel, but I don't... mwu-ha-ha-ha... Seriously, thanks to Mr Sternbach for his contributions, and USS Voyager was a cool, kick-a$$ ship, but landing legs was just so ridiculous... ... and I thought from the beginning... how could a ship of that size possibly endure a 75 year return voyage ? A Galaxy or Nebula class ship... sure. But the Voyager ? I mean you could see personnel walking around in the windows... where could you put the cargo, food/water production facilities and accommodations for 150 people ? Still liked the series despite these inconsistencies.
Did Voyager havelanding ramp for the crew to get out of the ship or was there turbolift through the landing gear I known Defaint could land too did it have landing ramp like Klingon bird of prey?
Samuel When VUSS Voyager lands does she have a ramp comes down like a bird of prey in star Trek fou? They never show the crew departing the ship. or did turbolift tubecomes down the turbolift doors open that's how the crew gets out? How do you think crew of Voyager departs the ship when the ship lands that's very cool that Voyager and Defiant can land.
so the federation focussed on smaller more heavily armed maneuverable ships to deal with new threats like the borg and dominion...wouldn't it make sense to try and also design one, very large, very powerful ship design with the aim of being able to take on a borg cube 1 on 1? even in first contact , it takes a fleet of dozens (or more) federation ships to compete with one cube, obvioulsy many of those small ships will be destroyed by the one cube even if starfleet wins. this leads me to beleive that if the borg ever put a serious effort into assimilating the federation..meaning even if they attacked federation space with 100-200 cubes i don't think starfleet could stop them, unless they had a ship in their fleet which could compete with a cube straight up?
This is why they are eating Nelix's horrible food through the entire show, all their replicator power is going to make new shuttle components instead of food.
With such a dramatic outline at the bottom of the saucer that cried out SHIP!!! Their should have been some dialogue within the series explaining why the "Arrow Shuttle" wasn't used or functional based on being incomplete before the mission that started the series. As much design time that the "Delta flyer" recieved as well as it's number of appearances the Arrow Shuttle should have been the Delta Flyer. There were just to many episodes where a craft of that size would have made sense or solved plot problems, and it's lack of use was disappointing. Also the gimmicky folding nacelle's were a waste. If it had to be done they should have lined up with those "standard rules of warp nacelle placement, so they were lined up with the sides (and visible coils) facing each other before going into warp. Being one of the fastest ships in all of star fleet it also seemed that the engines were to small. The pre working model had some long nacelle's that would have had the ship looking a bit less than what I use to call the "warp capable spoon." Aside from minor complaints the U.S.S. Voyager did grow on me eventually, I liked the darker battleship grey despite it being mostly a science and explorer vessel. Also the smaller secondary deflector made so much sense considering if the main ever went down the crew would have to fly really slow to not get hit with space debri that the deflector should have pushed out of the way. The same way ships with three warp engines violate the starship design guide. The third might just be considered a spare if one were damaged. Without warp or communications 10,000 years might not be unheard of waiting for a rescue, or reaching a warp capable world on impulse. That or it could be used to let off pressure for maintenance on one of the other nacelle's. If the nacelle's could roll or pivot to better align the tandem energy fields a codependent system would require, all the better! Other than that I imagine whatever composed the rear of the ship, or maybe those tiny warp engines used a super dense form of heavy metals, because although atmospheric entry is cool, in every shot of a landing, I was thinking, "Man! why doesn't the front tip downward with all the landing struts so far back in the secondary haul!?!?"
The smaller nacelles fit in with Genes idea that as a ship became more advanced it's engines would become smaller relative to the ship. This was begun with the relatively small nacelles on the Galaxy, compared to older ships they were really quite small. Something the size of the Galaxy probably couldn't be built prior to its design because the engines would have been insanely large. Voyager as a whole really epitomized the idea of efficiency through advanced tech.
+The Gmork That is basically all that Voyager (and Enterprise) are to me: somewhat standard Sci-Fi shows, backed up by some of the ST lore, sufficient aliens of the week and some good action packed multi-parts. But it doesn't give of a vibe like the other shows had, I never have ever considered re-watching it like I still very much have with the TNG and DS9 shows. It doesn't help that characterizations where so all over the place. Endgame Admiral Janeway was so far removed of Season 1 Janeway, that she could fit rightly between the row of Evil Admirals from TNG. And at the moment the sexy add-on character of the series becomes on of the most well developed character, you know you are in trouble. Stargate SG1 and Stargate Atlantis could have had the same issues, but they totally resolved it by being funny and having lots of self-parody all around, combined with a good cast. Enterprise had this quality to a certain amount to, but was to much of a bore to redeem itself.
+The Gmork Actually, I can hardly remember the Wraith stuff in Atlantis. Was it really that hurting to the overall show. In contrast I can vividly remember how the team was struggling with the dangers of the Pegasus galaxy and all the times the Ancient technology of Atlantis tried to kill them. Fun and funny galore. I adore TNG mostly because of the mid-seasons and how they really fleshed out the Star Trek universe. And offcourse Patrick Stewart.
I think Voyager lands the crew comes down a ramp like a bird of prey from deck 9 loading dock. Voyager 37s first ever lands they never showed Voyager crew depart the ship I think Voyager first season the writers of Voyager of 37s teleplay forgot inculed that detail also in StarTrek Voyagers Writers Technical Manual.
i remember when i first sore USS voyager, just the ship blow me away. and i still feel its got the best opening sequence of all trek shows
I loved its launch from DS9. Two years ago, I was able to find the 1995 Revell-Monogram Model Kit of Voyager in 677 scale. Of course, I ordered the updated Voyager Decal Set from www.federationmodels.com
Kudos to Sternbach for designing such an elegant and sporty trek ship. It is my favorite design. Kudos to Trekyards for having this fascinating discussion.
The thing can land on a planet. It doesn't NEED to separate.
Exactly other ship are huge and if they have to land they have to separate... The intrepid class is small smart and fast...
Separation is an interesting one off. Doesn’t need to be the norm.
@@Rudas2007 Also..Seperating always makes sense...Does not really help if you can´t land because your ship will blow up before a landing :D
I grew up on Voyager, I know I'm in the minority here but it is my favorite Star Trek series. I think it is the most beautiful ship in Star Trek (especially with armor), it has aged very well. Thanks Rick, the Voyager is truly a beautiful and timeless design. The front of Voyager kinda looks like the Orville ship.
When I was a kid I liked how different Voyager was from other starfleet ships, it looked "sportier" and the nacelle articulation was cool. I also liked how the deflector and torpedo tubes looked like a smiley face. :D
Voyager has always been my favorite Star Trek ship from a design perspective. It always reminded me of a Chevrolet Corvette Stingray for some reason. Just had a very sleek, fast look. Most other Trek ships (except the Defiant) were more bulky looking.
By far my favorite ship design
That's why I like the Intrepid-class. Not too huge, not too small, and built to last. :))
I never understood the fan's need to saucer separate with every ship. A - It was always meant for dire emergencies (unless you go off the original plan for the D, then they wisely agreed that having it separate every time there is a battle would be dumb and expensive). B - It worked for the D because that ship was almost ALL saucer. It made more sense then escape pods in that ship ONLY. Everything else is a bit more stocky and escape pods make more sense. C - Don't talk to me about the Conny, I know it technically can (more in side canon), but it couldn't reconnect (making it EMERGENCY). It was also pretty saucer heavy....and I don't know personally if escape pods wouldn't make more sense with it either. D - Prometheus was specifically designed from the ground up to be ALL about it, and I don't really consider it the same maneuver. There is virtually no reason to separate the saucer for battle in other ships. It weakens the ship. It has only been useful in some very specific and peculiar situations that aren't worth planning for as a whole (Best of Both Worlds comes to mine)
Yes, its cool. Is it a valid tactic 99% of the time? No. Escape pods make way more sense.
The enthusiasm of both Sternbach and Drexler for their work radiates in their interviews.
Missing questions:
- If in the end they literally took a spoon and put it upside down to finish the design since the more bulky concept fitted into that form.
- If the curvy form was an indirect influence of Probert's 1701-D with its organic shapes (because Starfleet would go now for these organic forms when designing ships after the 1701-D was created).
I pondered about Voyager's maximum warp for many years.With a top cruising speed of warp 9.975, and relatively speaking, cruising means that the ship could continuously sustain that velocity with no trouble, say 80% of maximum. According to my calculations, at 100% the top speed would be warp 9.990463, however, on the episode where Kes evolved, the warp core went to 120%, bringing the ship to warp 9.990556.
I could listen to Rick talk shop alllll dayyy!
I always liked the Voyager design, for the most part, and even though it wasn't my favourite design, the ship's top profile is gorgeous, I do personally think the pylons could've benefited with a permanent upward motion as from the side, the design always looked a little flat to me. My favourite part of the ship was on the saucer with the darker grey forward inner detailing.
Thank you all this was a great episode and very informed i am happy i got to see it . Voyager is a favorite in starships of mine partly for its custom changes while staying to a classic feel . The term less is more is proven greatly with it. Although i always wished it a bit bigger say the 350m mark to better explain its ability to hold its oun aginst large-scale ships as it did i am still very happy with it . Honestly i hope and pray to see a newer star trek air with a larger voyager type as the lead . That im sure we all would watch.
I have always felt that separation capability was overrated. I'm glad it wasn't emphasized more in the various Trek series and episodes. The Captain's Yacht or Aeroshuttle mission craft is all the separation I wanted. Very sad not to see it on Voyager.
+CubanWriter The Equinox had a craft like that too, called the Waverider.
+toddsmitts Quite right, Todd. I hope someday we see a good representation of the Waverider, as we saw for the Aeroshuttle.
A friend of mine once told me Voyager looked like a giant space slipper. Ever since then, I cannot unsee it. Would be a nice product to make though, Voyager slippers. XD
I always thought voyager would tip over on those landing struts because the saucer looks top heavy.
+Frits Felix agreed, if it was top heavy in the saucer as I believe most models are... I'm sure the ships inertial dampers compensate somehow.
+Ricardo Warner
Warp coils are densified Dark Matter. It's not tipping over.
+saquist then the nacelle pylons would be under a lot of stress. I've never heard this before, is it canon?
Ricardo Warner It is canon that the material of the coils is densified, yes. but not canon that this material is Dark Matter. That is the explanation given by Rick Sternbach on the Trek BS as to what the material is.
Warp coils were typically composed of cast verterium cortenide surrounding a core of densified tungsten-cobalt-magnesium. (VOY: "Investigations")
+Ricardo Warner If I'am not mistaken, in one Voyager episode they landed the ship on a planet and the ship started to sink in to the ground and they could not take off. So they retargeted the phazers to cut off the landing struts to free the ship so they can take off. But that meant they could never land the ship again.
08:25: Now THAT is something I'd like to see. Would be neat in a future series to show some technological progression.
12:12: My rationalization was that the round shapes were for exploration while the pointier, more aggressive-looking ships were reserved for war.
One thing I like about the Intrepid-class:
-The short warp nacelles: Just like with the D these nacelles feel much more powerful than say the E which feel faster but less powerful.
One thing I don't like about the Intrepid-class:
-The exposed nose. From what I understand it is supposed to be a sensor array, but it feels like a kid who got his nose broken.
the early designs for Voyager shown early in the video, actually looks like the Prometheus Class.
Excellent you guys got an interview with Mr Sternbach about his design!
Enterprise's saucer separates as a life boat. Enterprise D's saucer separates for combat efficiency and protection of civilians, Voyager has more/better lifeboats, no civilians and (according to Janeway, don't remember the episode but remember the comment) is designed for combat efficiency. There's no need for her to separate and a separation point would be a weakness to her superstructures integrity against high stress events.
def my fav of the 'standard' starfleet designs too. the opening sequence still has me staring.
Rick!!! It's great see you on Trek Yards.
-Heres the thing....Rick and Probert are more traditional illustrators with a functional design aesthetics. Artist will recognize that in their work. Neither would ever use the the Term "Monkey Brain" in terms of Trek abilities. That's turning into a Trek Yards catch phrase. I think it serves the fans to think in this way. Drex is a traditional CGI artist...likely one of the first regular ones. He's not quite Ryan Church who designed the JJ Prise and the prequel Star Wars ships. Nonetheless Drex doesn't think as often in terms of function...he just justifies it. Probert and Rick in their hay day didn't have the perfect environment of CGI, they think in terms practical model work like the original Star Wars movies. Their work in my opinion is better for it...often more convince and more impressive frequently well thought out unlike say the Sovereign Class.
voyager ship is styled excellently. the early sketches have the galactic/space1999 set up head/thorax/abdomen. I like the designs where the nacelles roll down with the fatter ass end as opposed to the selected design.
I love this episode and I love voyager. awesome episode I've been waiting a long time for this one
I do at least like how the lack of the shuttle was explained in one of the official novels, apparently early on they could not spare the fuel for it, and evidently it was used for spare parts due to it not being used. However the hull was left to avoid compromising the hull integrity, but the space was still habitable and was used by Janeway to get away at time since she could still lock everyone else out.
Don't quite get the fuss made over no saucer separation. While your right that the Connie could and is slightly smaller than Intrepid, the Connie couldn't land as a whole ship. The Intrepid can so sort of negates the need to have saucer separation. Also, the thought that saucer separation is a "standard feature" doesn't sound right considering there are plenty of ships where it wouldn't be an option due to the design...some even bigger than Intrepid such as the Akira and Norway Class.
The Aero Shuttle always bothered me in Voyager. While the Delta Flyer was very cool and the story of the crew building it was great why did they have to build it when they had a big assed shuttle slung under the saucer section the whole time?
+Reloaddcr I often tell myself that what we see on Voyager's hull is just a placeholder, and the shuttle itself hadn't been installed when she was lost on her fateful mission. It's the only way I can make sense of the story.
+Reloaddcr
I agree Sam, pushes the Saucer separation very awkwardly. Separation is a next to useless function in battle without warp power (aka The Best of Both Worlds)
I love Voyager.
What? A video of unused ship features like the aero shuttle? Yes please!
I think the nacelles rotating upwards, to within sight of one another, plays within one of Roddenberry’s ship rules that states nacelles need to be within sight of each other to establish the warp field.
Voyager is my favourite ship in tv/film.
I really like the design, nice and compact made more sense than the earlier designs with a bunch of "scafolding" between the individual parts of the ship. Only the nacelles looked a bit small.
It's not a flying saucer; it's a flying toilet seat!
Seriously though, I do like the Voyager's design!
Voyager is the best looking ship in Trek universe. Also the only one that looks like it can fly in space.
ThanksMrFrank...I agree, it seemed a huge oversight not to have a secondary emergency warp system within the saucer of the Galaxy class ships. Maybe once the secondary hull was clear panels would slide back and something more substantial as far as bigger nacelle's would lift to create it's own warp field. It makes no sense to send all the families and civilians over to a ship that whatever enemy is threatening them would have the easiest job of intercepting it and doing whatever as the engineering section fought it out with another ship or two. Just really bad thinking and as the Enterprise D was destroyed, all it seemed good for was a giant lifeboat or escape pod equipped with hollow decks and a groovy bar in Ten-Forward....
I'm glad the design went through more revisions after the mock-up was made. To my eyes, copying the Runabout warp pylon design to a full-sized starship seems inadequate and out-of-scale. The mock-up nacelles were cool, though.
I think the reason why voyager doesn't separate is because the entire crew can fit into shuttles/escape pods. The main reason for separation is to avoid catastrophes like a warp core breach, and with the entire crew being able to fit into other smaller crafts, there is probably no reason for it to separate.
the voyager is my second favorite star trek ship just below my absolute favorite, the enterprise d
A SHOW ABOUT ALL THE SHIPS OF STAR TREK....YEA!!!!~
I hate saucer sep ability, just makes me think how weakened the hull would be.
Stick to your guns Rick! Not all of us have a hard on for saucer seperation.
+PaxBritannia in my opinion I like it though I even think its overused by fans....as its supposed to be a gimmick and being able to eject the warp core is the reason why it's rare in canon (since most people know the whole purpose originally for saucer seperation is to evacuate people from a warp core breach and to save atleast part of the ship)
Know what you mean, I'm designing ships and do not intend them to be able to separate. Because it'll make the secondary hulls look ugly..
***** Yup since you have to design the ship around the separation to make it look right (Prometheus class being the only canon ship that looks right with it something even the galaxy class can barely pull off). Though I when I see a trek ship that can break up into small parts and its done right I give it props.
+PaxBritannia Ape brain, dude. An advanced culture's ships might look fragile, but be mega strong.
+TheCastellan lol
Voyager has no need for saucer separation. The Enterprise d has tons f civilians, so in battle, they need to be protected, but voyager doesn't have civilians. (except for kes and nelix)
And Naomi Wildman
Probably could have used some. A ship its size with only ~150 people on board must have felt very empty.
I definitely would not want Kes and Neelix to be protected in battle! They should have killed them both off.
I figured the warp nacelles moved up to be in the correct position to generate a stable warp field, and lowered in sub light travel to drop them below the firing arcs of the saucer phasers
Love the graphic @ 21:40
i love the Prometheus... when i played ST Online in 2014-2015 i used that ship, i specked it out to max with various load outs for purpose, despite the fact that in game, other ships where way more powerful...
Thanks for the interview. I just wish the video of Mr Sternbach had been much bigger instead of filling most of the screen space with junk.
One of those doodle sketches is a Y-wing! Lol
Voyager's pylon rotate was just a clever way of following Gene Rodenberry's rules.
But it wouldnt work. They need to be facing each other to have the field intermixing from the two nacelles. Now they are angled upwards and not facing each other directly
@@lucri988 Unless whatever field emitters there are are obliquely mounted. It also could just be like the other TNG nacelles that are supposedly two nacelles in one.
@@noahcheckman8542 guess it could be that way. From outside it looks slanted but from inside they look directly at each other. But from images the angle makes that seem impossible.. Like they don't even cross "line".
Where is it stated that TNG has two-in-one? Don't remember that. As far as I remember they could never go to warp with just one nacelle
@@lucri988 I honestly don't even know myself. I kinda lost faith in Star Trek's warp drive after I tried figuring out the warp scale and distancing. VOY in particular isn't on my recommendation list for watching Star Trek, just because the technicals are such BS.
@@noahcheckman8542 I haven't digged deep as that! Warp scale and distancing.. Is that the warp field bubble around the ship?
The USS VOYAGER - Intrepid class can make for a good Destroyer and if properly designed it will make for a good ship for Star Fleet Battles..
Great coincidence, I just finished binge watching the series hahahahahahahaha.
+Captain Lokiawa I am almost done with Season 2 myself ... LOL
I thought it was made like this
Producers:we need the new ship to be a bit different any ideas
Designers:how about make the saucer section be the shape of a spoon
Producers: great idea get to work
After learning about the Aeroshuttle, I wish it were actually used in the series.
Voyager is a beautiful ship! *BUT* the small nacelles always bothered me! I still feel like they could have made them bigger/longer to off set the length of the saucer!
Intrepid class is a good all a round ship. Give it quantum torpedo's, ablative hull armor.
If there was an Aero-Shuttle, then what's the point of building the Delta Flyer?
you two amaze me, this ship doesnt separate, GET OVER IT.
On the topic of saucer separation, I always wondered why when they were having those huge balls to the wall, all or nothing armada battles in DS9, why not separate at least a few of the ships to create more targets? Shields weren't really effective in those situations, surely it would've helped to bridge the numbers gap? The joy of nerdy hindsight
I think that for most older ships it was literally an escape pod, an alternative to shuttle evacuations and escape pods at a time when help wouldn't be particularly handy. The idea then lived on as a legacy in the Galaxy but didn't really pay off and was dropped in newer ships in favor of pods, counting on the relatively numerous ships of the fleet and wide ranging communications to arrange a rescue.
For ships on the frontier the feature may have been useful but I doubt even the D was ever more than a few weeks from rendezvous under normal circumstances.
An idea I had was that the large saucer of the Galaxy aught to be replaced with a trimmer up armed/armored hull or pod for direct battle. Something like the Nebula pod crossed with the Akiras and other new ships tactical pods.
The reason they never used the Yacht shuttle is they needed the shuttle bay for other then Star Fleet ships or cargo to land in. Never mind that is someone had to leave the ship for good or stole it, You had to build A new one some how to replace it.
Voyager and Enterprise D are my fav's
The Intrepid is a beautiful class. Aesthetically, one of my favorites.
It's too bad Voyager felt like a hodge podge of the other series and had a much less consistent story line (Janeway at times felt they needed to get to Earth ASAP, avoiding contact with other species, other times intervening or making contact with aliens and taking their time, other times killing Tuvix, *cough*).
Another great show.
can't wait to see more
Much prefer the mock up model
Why didn't they used the AeroShuttle instead of building the Delta Flyer
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative...........Violence." - Captain Janeway
I don't think Intrepid class starships were designed to separate. The starship Voyager could enter a planet's atmosphere and land on the surface. Enterprise D was not designed to land on planets as a whole. The saucer section could separate but only for emergency situations.That's why it had shuttle crafts.
You should have asked why they didn't plate the forward section of the ship. Looks like a open wound.
Good god what is it with you and saucer separation, Commander? It seems so pointless. The only reason it makes sense for the D is that the D is very civilianised so there can easily be reasons to need to go into a situation with the civilians not being thrown into the risk. But for virtually any other craft? Seems a terribly pointless idea.
+ThatsMrFrank I was just asking a question since the concept is present on several other starships.
What are these several? I know Galaxy, and I presume Nebula since as far as I know, it was originally designed as a rescue piece for abandoned Galaxy saucers. Any others?
To me those other pieces have a distinct reason to have separation that just isn't something that would apply widely. I suppose it's somewhat like landing struts. Those definitely don't apply to most vessels. I wouldn't call them a standard.
ThatsMrFrank Galaxy, Nebula, Sovereign, Constitution Class, Constitution Class Refit.
Can the latter three do so canonically? I believe the Sovereign is entirely concept art, and it would make so little sense for such function in the conny
+ThatsMrFrank yes they can… The Constitution could do it and the saucer could act as a lifeboat and land on a planet surface. It was mentioned in the TOS episode "the apple". Kirk mentions to prepare for saucer separation should the need arise. Also the original storyboarding for Star Trek the motion picture had a deleted sequence in which there is a saucer separation and the secondary hull explodes. If you search TOS saucer separation on Google you will see many examples of it including the storyboards for the motion picture that I just spoke about. There is also a depiction of the TOS Connie saucer in its separated landing configuration. With its landing gear down.
8:19 I really liked that middle design there when I first saw it in one of the Star Trek magazines at the time. IMO that's what they should have gone with rather than the articulated pylons. How does that even work anyways? Do the warp plasma conduits have a plastic bendy straw section in them?
In a episode the crew did buy a New wapon system the iso-kinetic canon.
I wonder were they put it on the ship
Very cool video.
7:07 omg i realy realy like that design! that had been an amazing Voyager too imo (nothing against the final one, i like it alot beside small details like the to short Nacelles but that beauty of an idea * ^^ *)
I didn't hate the design, I thought it was a little overpowered for its size. I did like what they did with the Ent- E.
So what gives with having an alternate/spare warp reactor shown in the design that was never once used?
How many times during the series arc was the ship reduced to impulse-only by means of a failed/ejected warp core, and the spare reactor was never fired up to restore warp capability? Even if the spare reactor was less powerful than the primary, there are several episodes where it could have been used, and it didnt enter the story. Or when the (warp) core was shortly replaced with a slipstream core, why not keep the primary reactor as-is and use the spare reactor for slipstream? That way they'd have had both options available, assuming slipstream had worked out to be viable (whole separate thread there!)
If the answer, like so many other "ooops" in the Trek universe, is simply that it didnt make for good writing, then OK that's cool.
I remember some being said years ago that one in in universe reason for the movement was for surveying nebula's.
Concerning the Bridge module: Did I understand Rick correctly, that the bridge module on the Intrepid was visioned from the start to be a detachable module?
Stupid followup question: Whatpurpose does a detachable bridge module serve (apart from being handy in drydock during bridge deck upgrade).
ship get messed up commnd crew cant get to escape pods/shuttles entire bridge comes of with everybody in it...
you should get Mark Radamaker on to talk about the Voyager Refit
Crew size could also dictate if a ship is capable of separation during red alert and to continue mission forward without repair at space dock.
Why Do The Nacelles Tilt Up Before It Goes To Warp? Does It Create A More Stable Warp Field?
Ok, You Answered My Question More Stable Warp Field, Got It!
my first model kit was a revell uss voyager
What is the notch on top in front portion of the ship?
Which episode did the TOS constitution class ship separate?
it doesn't its just in the design
+Justin White
Watch the Andrew Probert episode discussing the Constitution Refit. Andrew designed a separation and even panel-lined it on the ST TMP model. In an earlier draft of the script the Enterprise was supposed to separate after leaving V'ger and than had battle the three Klingon K'tinga's that V'ger apparently didn't destroy at the start of the movie. I think they even showed some of the (recreated) story board sketches.
Great design. Except for the bridge.
I thought the "variable geometry" of the warp nacelles was explicitly to tighten up the warp bubble to mitigate that problem of warp fields deleterious effect on the fabric of space in "Force of Nature"
I think the real problem regarding the shuttle bay isn't whether it could accommodate the Delta Flyer but that it could have accomodated between 10 or 17 of the shuttles Voyager apparently lost ! Not to mention where Neelix's ship, the Baxial was stored !
And I know you guys at Trekyards have to be diplomatic in your effusiveness of cannon starship designs because of your involvement of the creators and studio design staff on your channel, but I don't...
mwu-ha-ha-ha...
Seriously, thanks to Mr Sternbach for his contributions, and USS Voyager was a cool, kick-a$$ ship, but landing legs was just so ridiculous...
... and I thought from the beginning... how could a ship of that size possibly endure a 75 year return voyage ? A Galaxy or Nebula class ship... sure. But the Voyager ? I mean you could see personnel walking around in the windows... where could you put the cargo, food/water production facilities and accommodations for 150 people ? Still liked the series despite these inconsistencies.
Did Voyager havelanding ramp for the crew to get out of the ship or was there turbolift through the landing gear I known Defaint could land too did it have landing ramp like Klingon bird of prey?
Request: Can you guys do an episode on the Breen Warship seen in the Dominion War part of DS9?
Samuel When VUSS Voyager lands does she have a ramp comes down like a bird of prey in star Trek fou? They never show the crew departing the ship. or did turbolift tubecomes down the turbolift doors open that's how the crew gets out? How do you think crew of Voyager departs the ship when the ship lands that's very cool that Voyager and Defiant can land.
nope no ramps. all transporters or shuttles :)
Only thing which bothered me was that it could land and not topple over with being so top/front heavy...
so the federation focussed on smaller more heavily armed maneuverable ships to deal with new threats like the borg and dominion...wouldn't it make sense to try and also design one, very large, very powerful ship design with the aim of being able to take on a borg cube 1 on 1? even in first contact , it takes a fleet of dozens (or more) federation ships to compete with one cube, obvioulsy many of those small ships will be destroyed by the one cube even if starfleet wins. this leads me to beleive that if the borg ever put a serious effort into assimilating the federation..meaning even if they attacked federation space with 100-200 cubes i don't think starfleet could stop them, unless they had a ship in their fleet which could compete with a cube straight up?
I wish they had concluded the anti green warp thing.
Been re-watching Voyager & they have lost alot of shuttles there shuttle bay cant be that big. I cant be only one who noticed that.
MechLord Omega, they have the ability to build new ones.
This is why they are eating Nelix's horrible food through the entire show, all their replicator power is going to make new shuttle components instead of food.
I thing it would have looked a lot better in the form he had it in when they did that 3.5 foot Mockup
should of asked him what was with the moving Engine wings no other ship has that feature
they did
With such a dramatic outline at the bottom of the saucer that cried out SHIP!!! Their should have been some dialogue within the series explaining why the "Arrow Shuttle" wasn't used or functional based on being incomplete before the mission that started the series. As much design time that the "Delta flyer" recieved as well as it's number of appearances the Arrow Shuttle should have been the Delta Flyer. There were just to many episodes where a craft of that size would have made sense or solved plot problems, and it's lack of use was disappointing.
Also the gimmicky folding nacelle's were a waste. If it had to be done they should have lined up with those "standard rules of warp nacelle placement, so they were lined up with the sides (and visible coils) facing each other before going into warp. Being one of the fastest ships in all of star fleet it also seemed that the engines were to small. The pre working model had some long nacelle's that would have had the ship looking a bit less than what I use to call the "warp capable spoon."
Aside from minor complaints the U.S.S. Voyager did grow on me eventually, I liked the darker battleship grey despite it being mostly a science and explorer vessel. Also the smaller secondary deflector made so much sense considering if the main ever went down the crew would have to fly really slow to not get hit with space debri that the deflector should have pushed out of the way. The same way ships with three warp engines violate the starship design guide. The third might just be considered a spare if one were damaged. Without warp or communications 10,000 years might not be unheard of waiting for a rescue, or reaching a warp capable world on impulse. That or it could be used to let off pressure for maintenance on one of the other nacelle's. If the nacelle's could roll or pivot to better align the tandem energy fields a codependent system would require, all the better!
Other than that I imagine whatever composed the rear of the ship, or maybe those tiny warp engines used a super dense form of heavy metals, because although atmospheric entry is cool, in every shot of a landing, I was thinking, "Man! why doesn't the front tip downward with all the landing struts so far back in the secondary haul!?!?"
The smaller nacelles fit in with Genes idea that as a ship became more advanced it's engines would become smaller relative to the ship. This was begun with the relatively small nacelles on the Galaxy, compared to older ships they were really quite small. Something the size of the Galaxy probably couldn't be built prior to its design because the engines would have been insanely large.
Voyager as a whole really epitomized the idea of efficiency through advanced tech.
Voyager was a beautifully designed series, scuppered by some poor writing and characterisation.
which characters in particular?
Janeway was basically schizophrenic, and Chakotay was flat as a pancake.
Harry Kim falls into that pancake department as well.
+The Gmork
That is basically all that Voyager (and Enterprise) are to me: somewhat standard Sci-Fi shows, backed up by some of the ST lore, sufficient aliens of the week and some good action packed multi-parts. But it doesn't give of a vibe like the other shows had, I never have ever considered re-watching it like I still very much have with the TNG and DS9 shows. It doesn't help that characterizations where so all over the place. Endgame Admiral Janeway was so far removed of Season 1 Janeway, that she could fit rightly between the row of Evil Admirals from TNG. And at the moment the sexy add-on character of the series becomes on of the most well developed character, you know you are in trouble.
Stargate SG1 and Stargate Atlantis could have had the same issues, but they totally resolved it by being funny and having lots of self-parody all around, combined with a good cast. Enterprise had this quality to a certain amount to, but was to much of a bore to redeem itself.
+The Gmork
Actually, I can hardly remember the Wraith stuff in Atlantis. Was it really that hurting to the overall show. In contrast I can vividly remember how the team was struggling with the dangers of the Pegasus galaxy and all the times the Ancient technology of Atlantis tried to kill them. Fun and funny galore.
I adore TNG mostly because of the mid-seasons and how they really fleshed out the Star Trek universe. And offcourse Patrick Stewart.
I think Voyager lands the crew comes down a ramp like a bird of prey from deck 9 loading dock. Voyager 37s first ever lands they never showed Voyager crew depart the ship I think Voyager first season the writers of Voyager of 37s teleplay forgot inculed that detail also in StarTrek Voyagers Writers Technical Manual.
So the intrepid class can enter a planets atmosphere?
yeah they did so in the Voyager series a couple of times
I think the Constitution was capable of it too in theory.
mouie5 Only the saucer section. And that was only an emergency procedure.
Voyager could *land* on planets too.
I was waiting for this!
+Nimmo1492 Hope you enjoyed it!
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I really enjoyed the show... because no one used the word 'iconic' and I was very close to unsubscribing if they did... :D