Thanks so much to everyone for following the channel and taking the time to give feedback. We read all your comments and don’t get around to replying to everyone, so here are some general notes: - The mention of “with track improvements” is important to repeat in the case of Sallins & Naas. We’ll do a follow up to this episode and others, in which we paint in finer strokes to discuss things like parking, planning, land value capture mechanisms, station & track upgrades, schools, clinics, and other matters. Before then, we plan to engage with Kildare CoCo, Irish Rail and other bodies to discuss the feasibility of our proposals in more detail - We’ve begun research on 3 further TOD sites - Limerick Junction, Oranmore and Ballina - and we welcome any detailed comments on these areas, as suggestions for future TOD candidates - We use Sketch Up and Twin Motion to create these models - We’ve set up a Patreon account for anybody kind enough to support our work, which will allow us to keep making videos - patreon.com/polysee - This channel is a proof-of-concept that was created by an Irish computer programmer with an interest in architecture, visualisation and economics - who has since co-opted professional architects, a researcher and video editor to work at “mates rates” - While urban planning is a recurring theme for this channel, we’ll be broadening to government policy (hence ‘Polysee’), covering areas like planning, regional and local government, plastic pollution, healthcare, economics, how the state works; to name just a few - Immigration seems to be an issue that frequently comes up in comments. The challenge with this highly charged topic is to discuss it in a sensitive and constructive way, so we’re taking the time to do our homework before covering it, which we will in due course - Ireland is the second most centralised country of the 37 OECD countries, behind only Greece. In our view, centralism and the democratic deficit it entails are at the root of many of the country’s problems, and localism is an area that we’ll be covering in future episodes. If anybody has detailed knowledge of how local government works in Ireland or in more localised countries such as Switzerland, the US or the Nordics - the good and the bad - please let us know in the comments We plan to set up an email soon to receive more sizable (and perhaps sensitive) tranches of information from the public. Thanks again to all of you for watching, The Polysee Team
When you get around to talking about immigration, please be sure to mention how Ireland has had a housing crisis for far longer than the recent wars have been going on, and also how this country is already very empty by European standards, so the last thing we need is our population stagnating when it's already too low, to the point that Irish people have to go abroad if they want to see anything even remotely exciting and urban.
I remember about a week ago you were at 400 subs, now you're already at 1.5K. Keep it up! There are so many great urbanism channels on RUclips but almost all of them look at it from a North American perspective, and compare cities in North America to those in mainland Europe and (to a lesser extent) Asia. Meanwhile the UK and especially Ireland seem to go to completely overlooked. Which doesn't really make sense to me because we have our own unique challenges. In some ways we're in between North America and mainland Europe, while in other ways you could argue we're worse than both. It's great to see someone finally explore the issues that are specific to Ireland, where owing to the country's population, there should be much greater focus on showing people that you don't need a megacity on the scale of London or NYC just to have decent public transport, and how you don't need massive towers everywhere just to achieve a density high enough for it either.
As an avid viewer of channels like City Beautiful, Not Just Bikes and B1M etc i completely agree it fantastic to see an Irish view and hope to see plenty of content
I love the inclusion of bike lanes along every road. Although I would say make the roads a single lane, with some road dieting so that kids can play on them comfortably, plus some additional parking for taxis or delivery vans or whatever without getting on the bike lane.
I think this is a nice plan however a lot of the mixed use development would have to mainly be an expansion of services like health and groceries rather than any different shops because of the major increase in more upscale shops. Love the graphics tho icl
After moving to Vancouver I realised how bad our rail system is in Irish cities. Metro Vancouver has twice the population of Dublin. The trains are fully automated and arrive every 3 mins. They also have a line that runs straight from the airport to the city centre.
@@unexpectedly1468 Well, improvement in rail service goes hand in hand with denser development. So it's a bit like the chicken and egg problem. A development such as this one would create the demand that's necessary to make more frequent rail service viable.
I live in Sallins, right beside the rail station. In fact my apartment overlooks the land that would be developed in this video. Personally I would be thrilled to see development of this sort.
Well how come you do not inform the video creators about the empty blocks of buildings that you live in?? Now being refurbished for asylum seekers pretending to be from ukraine? Empty buildings lying there for years
As a Sallins resident, would strongly advocate for such a development. Feel like I can't say the same for everyone else - seems to be a huge amount of NIMBYS in Sallins.
Great idea from what I can see. My personal addition would be the need of small community gardens surrounded by mixed use or residential properties, as opposed to having only one large size one in the middle and nothing else in smaller scales. Another need is one fully pedestrianised shopping street. Doesn't have to be too large, a couple of cozy pedestrianized alleys lined with cafes and retailers always attract many people.
In Finland many new apartment complexes must contains parks and play areas for children. In larger complexes they will contain spaces for daycare centres.
Great video! If your team has any planning expertise I'd love to see some videos on how these projects can be advocated for under Ireland's planning law and how the new planning bill would affect large developments like this. These videos are amazing tools for envisioning a better Ireland! Keep it up.
Love the video. Would love to see you talk about Dublin's many private golf courses, and how they could be used to build housing. Golf courses don't exist in other European cities, and for good reason!
Would love to see a TOD analysis of Limerick, particularly the suburbs that already have soon to be reopened freight rail lines running through them. See a Huge potential for TOD on the greenfield lands adjoining the existing railways with an added benefit for the residents already in situ.
Nice looking development. Consider the children and sports grounds a bit more GAA pitch football. Is the school just secondary or primary? Build 5000 new homes and soon you'll have maybe 7,500 kids needing schooling which is probably more than 1 school. Also need of crèche places after school care facilities. Then also GP surgeries dentists etc so a health centre probably needed. A library is a nice idea but probably needs to be a more broadly useable community space. I guess the commercial units will house the arts/music/pubs/restaurants/cinema, that an area needs to have a soul. A small theatre would be nice, allowing plays music comedy etc. Give it a vibe that it isn't just commuter belt of Dublin. Would I like to live there? No, personally too big for me, I'm from the sticks.
I like this idea a lot, my major feedback though? Accessibility. Please don’t forget about accessibility. As a young professional who also happens to be a full time wheelchair user it’s a real heartsink to see rendering of new design ideas with huge steps to get in and out of residential properties. It might look like South Central Dublin and therefore might look pretty, but it’s exactly this kind of design that makes it even harder for folk like me to find somewhere to live than just the regular reasons facing GenRent. The best accessible design is the kind that is fully integrated from the start, doesn’t look clinical and just works - there’s a huge opportunity here to include it from day 1 in a TOD corridor (let’s chat about the accessibility of the train/DART/Luas another day though) and the worst thing designers could do is to just dedicate one wee section of every street to be accessible… if it’s accessible for me as a wheelchair user then it’s easier for mums with buggies, for older folk, for everyone…!
I love the suggestion of the library! And in a prominent position too, that's wonderful. Absolutely vital for community. How about a cinema? If some of it could be built underground then not too much space needs to be taken from residential space. Or perhaps some flats could go on top? I'm not an architect or planner so I don't know if any of that wild make sense, I just think it might make the area more attractive to new and existing residents as well. And how about a farmer's market?
If there's enough space in the park, there's a potential to set up the market there. Personally I'd love to see it, the market where I live is a fantastic place to see :^)
Ironically I’m in sallins while watching this. Unfortunately the style is so out of place to the look and feel of Salins. Also, the demand in Salins isn’t there right now
Who wants to live in a tower by the M3 in Co. Kildare? Trains are already overcrowded as it is. The M50 is often a glorified carpark. This would be just one big ghetto, like a lot of Celtic Tiger thinking. Daft idea, imho. Also, you say it's been successful in France. The regions around Paris are notorious for social deprivation and ghettoisation. Comparing Ireland to Japan is like comparing a Lepruchan to Godzilla. Japan invests hugely - more than any other country - in trains. Trains are culturally huge in Japan. Also, they build quickly because there is a lot of post-earthquake building and they can and do borrow money cheaply. Your whole vibe is ivory tower pipe dream. The development near Colbert Station in Limerick won't be ready for 12 years. When do you think your motorway towers will be built by? Just slap em up in a few months, yeah?
That would be great if public transport was sufficient and efficient. The traffic is also bad enough as is. 2 hours of rush hour every morning and night. I live in Straffan. Great to try think of logical solutions but the government are the ones who have to do something with good ideas.
I'm from and lived in Dublin and also lived nearby Sallins I thoroughly enjoy the area, its very comfortable and the people are lovely, it is also a very good location to develop for the reasons you outline, Sallins is underdeveloped in comparison to Naas and when considering its transit links, I think this would be great. However I fear local opposition by Councillors and particularly farmers would be significant we have seen that in I believe it was Wicklow the council refused planning on grounds it exceeds the housing planned for their area and so when councils outside Dublin fulfill their obligations to the local development plan they may be reluctant to contribute to the housing crisis, I fear this will be a large problem in TOD.
This is down to the limited population growth projections at a national level - the department has been telling councils to dezone land as the population projections the department and government uses are below reality. Meath dezoned a significant amount of its zoned land.
Interesting to see, but for a development so close to a train station, surely there is scope to narrow the roads, and possibly even make some streets one-way for motorists? In the 21st century, particularly in the week of COP28, it’s clear that we need to do much more to prioritise active travel rather than “being realistic” and keeping the car as the king. Good stuff, I look forward to seeing what you might do with Wexford Town!
Very interesting videos. Unfortunately, though only 10% of Dublin’s workforce work in the docklands where the tech companies are. There would be an extra 30 mins for most to get from Heuston to other parts of the cities. What could be done for them? Also, as a researcher in UCD, my school was suffering as students couldn’t get accommodation. Any solutions for this? Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Really enjoying your videos! This one is very informative and creative - it’s always great to see solutions being tested, and I like that it’s influenced by other European cities and TOD, based on evidence of what works! Also helpful for us in rural UK because there are many similar places along established train lines (just a shame the trains are a bit rubbish!!) I would have added residences for older people within close walking distance of the Central Park area, it’s so vital to plan for awesome places to live as older people! Looking forward to more videos 👏
I'm from the UK and spent last week in Ireland, my first visit. I certainly hope it won't be my last visit, as I found the beauty of Ireland and the friendly good nature of the people really touching. However, I could also see that this country has some rather big issues. The cost of food in Dublin, Cork, and even small towns like Dingle, felt comparable to London and Hong Kong, both of which I've lived in before. Looking at real estate briefly, it seemed like housing was no better. My hotel rooms were cramped tiny spaces that I paid a fortune for, even in Hong Kong I could expect a bigger room for the prices I paid. I read that 7 out of 10 young people want to leave Ireland. Whilst I was happy to see how Irish cities have preserved so well their built heritage, I could not see many high-rise buildings and wondered about the housing situation. In fact, I got the distinct impression that the air traffic control tower at Dublin Airport may be one of the tallest structures in the city! Even though I do not live in Ireland, I found myself strangely invested in this video! Like, I want to live in this TOD space and was thinking "yeh, this would be great for Dubliners!". I'm not sure if my impressions of Ireland's situation are correct (and if I'm wrong I'm totally open to being corrected), but if the issues I sensed are real, I'm happy to see high quality teams like this channel working on showing what solutions there may be. I hope that those with the power to make these things happen will listen.
Irish people do not like living in apartments unlike other EU countries. It dates back to when the English took the land from the Irish people . We are now an independent country but owning a house with land or a garden is the main preference of Irish people
@@daliaa5294 I think thats mostly cause we're not used to the benefits of urban living. In european cities like Bilbao, the vast majority of the population lives in dense apartment blocks (mind, these apartments are still quite large internally, larger than ours). Bilbao likes this because in return they get good city life, restaurants shops and excellent transport and health services. I think high density housing (with mixed use developments) can be ideal, as it really brings life to an area.
The thing I really don't like about Naas is how the old right of way for the former branchline from Sallins to Tullow has been heavily built on. This old Naas station was much closer the the town centre. Ideally a DART line could branch off of the Dublin to Cork Mainline at Sallins and go to the former site of the old Naas station.
Love it. Definitely make it as safe as possible for cycling so people can live here without a car. Also make it ultra safe for kids to cycle to school.
Such a great idea. British Columbia has done something similar recently and released a new housing policy that takes into consideration Transit Orientated Development. The following laws apply to developments close to rapid transit stations: • 200m or less = up to 20 stories (Condo tower) • 201-400m = up to 12 stories (High-rise, Mid-rise) • 401-800m = up to 8 stories (Mid-rise)
As the station is surrounded by other structures, it’d be great to see how the existing buildings & uses can be integrated with the overall design so it feels more unified instead of independent. How can we make the town feel like a single place in 50 years instead of a subdivision with other structures?
If you ever want the view/insight of a YIMB in Leixlip/Celbridge i'm willing to contribute. I have been activity contributing to local consultation for nearly 10 years with little effect. There was a plan for an extended town center in Celbridge that was progressively made smaller and smaller until local NIBY's and a local developer took it to the court and block it. Part of the outcome was for an increase in density to the North of the village even further away from the train station. They keep building on the wrong side of the village away from the rail line and with only 1 narrow bridge linking to the other side it can be bedlam in the morning and evening. The recent issue with the OPW, Castletown house and another local developer are only the latest in a long line prominently lead the a dedicated bunch of NIMBY's from 1 estate that like to misrepresent the facts and blatantly lie. Best of luck with the channel.
You won't fix the problem with 2 floors buildings. Why not 10-20 floors instead? That makes each sq.m significantly cheaper for inhabitants and it's much faster to build 1 big building instead of dozens of small ones, isn't it?
Wow. This is the type of content I have longed for on YT. Ireland focused on urban planning stuff. I think your ideas for the Salinns are really top-notch. Love the design of the park area and the slightly older style larger housing developments that aren't just copy and paste blocks like most modern developments. I visited Helsinki last year and I realised that the saying "The future is here, it's just not evenly distributed" is so accurate 😂. The airport had a train directly into the city centre where you can then hop on a tram that essentially can bring you to the block of your housing anywhere in the Helsinki Metropolitan area. Loads of parks and green spaces which were cleaned daily by the local authority. I can hope this type of Irish focused content can inspire and inform more Irish people on the potential that we could have in the country if only we advocate for more people centric planning.
By realising that a farmers green field is not particularly biodiverse, and a specifically biodiversity rich parkland within a new development could easily outclass the biodiversity of any overfertilised or mown down field. Especially if existing hedgerows are retained
This is great content ❤ form 🇧🇼 i believe i wanna see this work in dublin as our capital city although small and undeveloped compared to any other capital city is super expensive due to multiple single family homes so normally living outside expensive city is best but the country is so car dependent, i myself use public transit and can tell u the combis and buses are horrible here its not all government owned its individual applies for license and makes their own money which u get unreliable bus which makes u buy ur own car so i believe that rail is necessary to grow our economy cos if u can move goods and people faster it stops citys from getring too expensive
Great idea . I would like to see the Dart Extended to there with the four lines .Then have a double track Dart line Connecting Sallins & Naas to the Maynooth Line .( with a Station at Clane) then Additional two track line From Maynooth to Dublin Airport via swords and join the Belfast Line at Rush and Lusk .You could have a Belfast to Cork train, Belfast To Galway Both stopping at Dublin airport.. Sligo services would inter change at Maynooth For Dublin Airport . May be Add The Dart Underground You have a Full orbital, though Cost is the big Question Here .
Interesting video and ideas. Possibly topic / question - should Ireland build a new second capital in the center of the island? It would be just over an hour to Dublin / Galway and Limerick. A bit further to Cork. Lots of land there. Already road / rail. Other countries have tried this with varying degrees of success. We are scheduled to add up to a million more people. Could the center work?
I think this plan that you guys thought up is really great, however, saying 20-30 minutes is a bit misleading. I know you guys say from station to station, which would make it true, but for the general commuter not really. They first need to go to the station, wait for a train, travel, get off, and then make the final mile journey. So in reality, the commute time would be about 45 mins to an hour. But the plans really do look inspiring. Now only if Ireland could find a way to make other cities more desirable for business and people to live in. As in Ireland there is Dublin, and then nothing else (sorry cork, limerick, Galway, etc). Meanwhile, where I live, in the Netherlands, we have a lot of similar-sized cities that aren't too much smaller than the biggest. Amsterdam doesn't even break a million, and the 5th to 20th largest cities by population are all between 125k-250k. Meanwhile, Ireland's 3rd biggest city is already less than a 1/10th of the population of Dublin.
I've come back to watch this several times over the last few months. And I've been sharing the ideas you guys post around transport oriented design. Its very inspiring, but I wish I could see these kind of ideas move forward. What can we do to help? Are there any politicians that can really grt behind these ideas and make them happen?
Love the concept. Dart+ South West is on the way probably with additional lines. The site is green field. You have placed a pond and park but will it negate the flood zone in the land. Also TII sterilise a band of 90 odd metres from the motorway edge that will constrain the site. Love the videos though.
Love the idea but I don't think you can call it "Transit Oriented" when you plan 67% of journeys to be made by car. We need to imagine an Ireland where cars are only a minor part of the transport solution.
We tried this in the Netherlands in the 80s. Problem is with such communities is that unless you make them of a certain scale and plan for more vibrancy than mostly residential, they will remain sleepy bedroom communities. That means that the need for transportation between here and the big city, this case Dublin, will always exist and always grow. And it won't all be rail growth unfortunately. Result is that there is a permanent transportation need over long stretches over low density areas. Much better policy would be to build denser in and directly around the places where people want to be, the cities. This is harder to do short term but will have many many many benefits over the long term. Not just environmentally but also financially. While it may be cheaper now to do a greenfield development here, if it comes with ever-growing and always-costing transportastion problems that aren't the same as building up urban areas (with urban transit). A better idea would be to copy the Copenhagen model. Commuter trains in all directions of the big city with moderate dense housing around its stations that are located fairly close to the city.. Still get the benefits of suburbs but also the practicalities of being closer and faster into the city
Thoughts on modelling the national (north and south) rail interconnectivity of airports, especially between Dublin metropolitan area and Shannon / Belfast and Dublin ? Bit off topic i know but the increased focus on Dublin Airport will only reduce the quality of housing on the north side / santry in future
Also, Limerick Junction station needs to be gotten rid of, not further entrenched. It adds travel time on to both Dublin to Limerick and Dublin to Cork journeys. Both routes deviate to accomodate LJ and the Cork Dublin train has to wait until the Limerick -LJ train gets in or vice versa. It's a mess.
@polysee Super videos, very enjoyable. But do you have any solutions that involve shifting demand for housing in Dublin to elsewhere in the country like the west coast? Dublin completely overpopulated. Surely time to develop other urban centres
Would like to see TOD around Enfield town in co.Meath. Town is growing significantly and there is a potential for more, nice greenery around, grand canal walk, connection on M4 and train to Dublin.
This is really great. But the public transport needs to improve significantly. I live in Mullingar and would be more than happy to take the train to work in Dublin each day. However it does not run nearly often enough. It's too expensive for the inconvenience and I would be stuck in the city each night due to no transport available when I finish work. These are issues that can be tackled now and would allow more people to commute and not rely on cars.
I'd like to put down a deposit on one of those properties if possible 😂 Great work though lads. Would be great if James Lawless or Bernard Durkan had a look at this.
amazing stuff, dont know if its possible but would love to see a video outlining the new metro plans amnd how you think we can build from there. theres a lot of negativity surrounding the topic, would love to see something positive!
Amazing videos, I just subscribed today... The only puzzling decision from this video is the idea of a large library.. I'm not so sure libraries are in high demand or utilization nowadays.
Really nice concept and ideal site. However, if the current landowner there refuses to sell their land, the project is a dead duck before it even begins.
As someone from Lucan I can attest to the change that has happened here since Adamstown was built and its nowhere near finished but you can see it is going in the right direction. If we had a government that would take housing seriously we could see Ireland become a very beautiful place to live. Transport and Housing, how difficult can it really be?
If you're going to base these communities around transport, you also need to consider more wilderness landscapes in the surrounding areas. So yes build the homes for 5000 people but also propose to buy up more land or work with the farmers to plant native Irish Woodlands around your new TOD's so the it's not just about living in this new urban centre in the middle of Kildare, it's also about being closer to nature, closer to wilderness. People need the conveniences of the TOD, but people aspire to live a certain lifestyle, and you could incorporate that into your design and but not only give them that feeling of getting to escape away from the city and back into nature, but you also get to give back to nature. Actually benefit the environment and people will buy into that ideal and want to live there. Even though yes. It's Sallins. Anyway yes, love the videos and your guys ideas, the town designed around the library looks great and the oak tree choice, beautiful! And the gradual grading of the housing, back down to two story buildings, great variety of loving options to choose from. Have you guys also considered space for a club ground? For sport, like gaelic football, tennis, swimming, rugby, football, basketball, indoor Hall for volleyball, paddle court. I'm not saying all of these in one place but you could have a sprinkle of a few in each. These 5000 people need activities to love living in your transportat oriented development... Areas. You feel me? I think your idea could work for real though, I'd love to see it happen 🙏🏼
I don't think they understand how railways work. Two tracks usually means one track for each direction of travel, not one track for local and one track for express. You would probably want to rebuild the station to three tracks, with the two outer tracks as platforms for stopping trains and inner track as an omni-directional passing track for non-stop traffic?
The dart plus plan is disgrace in that it does not include park and rides. I lived in Boston for years and it is similar to Dublin - east coast semi circle city with train lines and motorways beside each other. In Boston they built massive multi story park and rides with the station in the middle with slip roads to the motorway. All the Dublin train lines are beside the motorways. This is also needed with TOD. The train network needs massive capacity and the cars and buses should feed that network. The decision not to add a new dart station at Cabra is also idiotic.
All of this makes total sense to me, it somewhat reminds me of the new Crossing development across from Adamstown station. The only concern I have regarding the TOD approach is, of course, the ‘T’. What would Iarnrod Eireann need to do to support this? And do we even trust them to do it? The trains on this line at times feel like they’re at double capacity and I have heard (anecdotally, but from an insider) that they are at 100% in terms of trains deployed. Kishogue will be open soon and to be honest I have no confidence that they will increase supply enough to address that new demand. Will you be going into the transport network in detail in a future video?
If you're assuming 67% of journeys are by car, then I guess that would mean pretty much every household in the area having one, which sounds like a lot of parking. How do you propose handling this? Multistory and underground are expensive, and surface parking would negate your aims of reducing the amount of greenfield needing to be developed.
You may not need as much as you think. Within the zone, initially encourage walkability and provide sufficient parking for the residential areas - a big portion of that car use is likely to be down to Irelands generally bad public transport links and worker commutes to sprawled retail parks all over the place. So just having home parking could be a big portion of it. Multistorey might have a place (near the hotel site) and depending on how central the park is, they could do street parking along the edge of the park and little bits here and there for loading / unloading on each street. Once all of that is added up, there likely isn't a huge call for parking lots.
@ciarasweeney I think they could do better than 67% of journeys taken by car, but that's what they say they're aiming for. If we go with that, I would assume that almost every household in the area would own a car, but it's still walking or taking public transport for some journeys.
I live in Sallins and, while I support progress, there are numerous factors to consider before increasing the region's density. Sallins, being a small village, has a main road connecting Clane, Maynooth, and Naas, which is already under significant strain. The train station, in particular, is overwhelmed by the daily number of users. I personally experience how crowded the trains are becoming. Additionally, departing from the train station by car during peak hours is increasingly time-consuming. My concern isn't just about parking at the station; I live in the estate near the two main car parks, and I find myself avoiding using my car between 5 pm and 7 pm due to the traffic congestion. Now, imagine the current situation compounded by an additional 5,000 residents. But yes, I'd love to see such a project in the area if the current issues are addressed and solved.
Actually the modern TODs are continental NORTH AMERICA solutions, and there are some misunderstanding about it. 1. THERE ARE FEW TODS IN THE OLD WORLD! Any residential development in the Old World or pre-WWII north america somewhat dependents on the transit, but they DID NOT fit the defination of TODs for their land use were not decided by the owner of the transit(except for the government of Hongkong or Singapore which owns nearly all land) , they were emerged and growed up from a small town to a large town centre without much government intenvention. 2. The prototype TODs emerged in England(especially London's metro-land) at the end of 19th century to support the garden city SUBURBS(aka streetcar suburbs), TODs applied to north america these days focuse on making an artificial town centre with strong commercial function and extremely high density(40K+pp/sqkm) purposely.I think the difficulty and EXTREMELY HIGH COST of building the new transit lead to this(you have to squeeze any potential of the expensive transit), date back to the 1900s, developer can construct a train line ON THEMSELVES(which is impossible these days)
Hey guys, love the ideas. Could you have a look at limerick at some stage? Also would be nice to have a bit of your design feature more contemporary architecture. Maybe a just a neighborhood for variety.
l love a lot of things about this and I'd probably quite happily live in a development like that but all the, I guess we could call it neo-georgian architecture, is a real vibe-killer. Not that there couldn't be a bit of that but it just feels like trying to make a little mini Dublin. Needs a more contemporary Irish vernacular style in my opinion.
This is very insightful. I will also like to see videos that addresses affordability of these potentially supplied housing. This concept is already being done in principle in Adamstown Dublin, where high density mixed buildings are being built close to the train station, but the supplied housing isn’t even affordable to say the least. Supply is slowly getting sorted but affordability isn’t. Will like to see this concept implemented with more cost rental housing either by local authorities or non profit organisations as the supply from their own end is lacking compared to developers & cuckoo funds that are more after profits/investments for stakeholders than actually solving the housing crisis.
Great videos, brilliant to see this kind of content in the irish context. Would be great to see a video on Clonsilla and also how to tackle the galway traffic issue.
Ireland needs high density house to maintain our beautiful natural environment but one criticism I have is balcony’s are not Irish architecture they lead to clutter and other issues
Thanks so much to everyone for following the channel and taking the time to give feedback. We read all your comments and don’t get around to replying to everyone, so here are some general notes:
- The mention of “with track improvements” is important to repeat in the case of Sallins & Naas. We’ll do a follow up to this episode and others, in which we paint in finer strokes to discuss things like parking, planning, land value capture mechanisms, station & track upgrades, schools, clinics, and other matters. Before then, we plan to engage with Kildare CoCo, Irish Rail and other bodies to discuss the feasibility of our proposals in more detail
- We’ve begun research on 3 further TOD sites - Limerick Junction, Oranmore and Ballina - and we welcome any detailed comments on these areas, as suggestions for future TOD candidates
- We use Sketch Up and Twin Motion to create these models
- We’ve set up a Patreon account for anybody kind enough to support our work, which will allow us to keep making videos - patreon.com/polysee - This channel is a proof-of-concept that was created by an Irish computer programmer with an interest in architecture, visualisation and economics - who has since co-opted professional architects, a researcher and video editor to work at “mates rates”
- While urban planning is a recurring theme for this channel, we’ll be broadening to government policy (hence ‘Polysee’), covering areas like planning, regional and local government, plastic pollution, healthcare, economics, how the state works; to name just a few
- Immigration seems to be an issue that frequently comes up in comments. The challenge with this highly charged topic is to discuss it in a sensitive and constructive way, so we’re taking the time to do our homework before covering it, which we will in due course
- Ireland is the second most centralised country of the 37 OECD countries, behind only Greece. In our view, centralism and the democratic deficit it entails are at the root of many of the country’s problems, and localism is an area that we’ll be covering in future episodes. If anybody has detailed knowledge of how local government works in Ireland or in more localised countries such as Switzerland, the US or the Nordics - the good and the bad - please let us know in the comments
We plan to set up an email soon to receive more sizable (and perhaps sensitive) tranches of information from the public.
Thanks again to all of you for watching,
The Polysee Team
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one thing we have forgotten is Food in a garden not just Hedges
When you get around to talking about immigration, please be sure to mention how Ireland has had a housing crisis for far longer than the recent wars have been going on, and also how this country is already very empty by European standards, so the last thing we need is our population stagnating when it's already too low, to the point that Irish people have to go abroad if they want to see anything even remotely exciting and urban.
I remember about a week ago you were at 400 subs, now you're already at 1.5K. Keep it up! There are so many great urbanism channels on RUclips but almost all of them look at it from a North American perspective, and compare cities in North America to those in mainland Europe and (to a lesser extent) Asia. Meanwhile the UK and especially Ireland seem to go to completely overlooked. Which doesn't really make sense to me because we have our own unique challenges. In some ways we're in between North America and mainland Europe, while in other ways you could argue we're worse than both. It's great to see someone finally explore the issues that are specific to Ireland, where owing to the country's population, there should be much greater focus on showing people that you don't need a megacity on the scale of London or NYC just to have decent public transport, and how you don't need massive towers everywhere just to achieve a density high enough for it either.
As an avid viewer of channels like City Beautiful, Not Just Bikes and B1M etc i completely agree it fantastic to see an Irish view and hope to see plenty of content
I love the inclusion of bike lanes along every road. Although I would say make the roads a single lane, with some road dieting so that kids can play on them comfortably, plus some additional parking for taxis or delivery vans or whatever without getting on the bike lane.
I think this is a nice plan however a lot of the mixed use development would have to mainly be an expansion of services like health and groceries rather than any different shops because of the major increase in more upscale shops. Love the graphics tho icl
As a Dubliner i love rail travel but we are years behind the rest of Europe but i love your ideas well done
Decades to a century behind*
After moving to Vancouver I realised how bad our rail system is in Irish cities. Metro Vancouver has twice the population of Dublin. The trains are fully automated and arrive every 3 mins. They also have a line that runs straight from the airport to the city centre.
He's using Japan as a model which is farcical. Absolutely no comparison between rail travel in Ireland and Japan.
@@unexpectedly1468 Well, improvement in rail service goes hand in hand with denser development. So it's a bit like the chicken and egg problem. A development such as this one would create the demand that's necessary to make more frequent rail service viable.
It's rare to see such fantastic content that pertains to irish matters, keep it up!
This feels like an insult to Irish content but thanks I guess
I live in Sallins, right beside the rail station. In fact my apartment overlooks the land that would be developed in this video. Personally I would be thrilled to see development of this sort.
A Waterways neighbour!
@@olavoxs I'm above the Dominos Pizza and the barbers, say hi some time!
We are on the cusp of The Waterways / Sallins chapter of the Dull Men Club being formed.
Lovely to see such YIMBY.
@@henrywizlon yes! YIMBYism FTW
Well how come you do not inform the video creators about the empty blocks of buildings that you live in?? Now being refurbished for asylum seekers pretending to be from ukraine? Empty buildings lying there for years
As a Sallins resident, would strongly advocate for such a development. Feel like I can't say the same for everyone else - seems to be a huge amount of NIMBYS in Sallins.
unfortunately, a vast quantity of people share this mentality here. They do nothing other than hold others back for their own selfish needs
Thank you! Finally a channel dedicated to Ireland with fantastic editing and writing.
Great idea from what I can see. My personal addition would be the need of small community gardens surrounded by mixed use or residential properties, as opposed to having only one large size one in the middle and nothing else in smaller scales. Another need is one fully pedestrianised shopping street. Doesn't have to be too large, a couple of cozy pedestrianized alleys lined with cafes and retailers always attract many people.
Extremely good points.
@@john-joetwomey6531thank you
In Finland many new apartment complexes must contains parks and play areas for children. In larger complexes they will contain spaces for daycare centres.
Great video! If your team has any planning expertise I'd love to see some videos on how these projects can be advocated for under Ireland's planning law and how the new planning bill would affect large developments like this.
These videos are amazing tools for envisioning a better Ireland! Keep it up.
Love the video. Would love to see you talk about Dublin's many private golf courses, and how they could be used to build housing. Golf courses don't exist in other European cities, and for good reason!
Would love to see a TOD analysis of Limerick, particularly the suburbs that already have soon to be reopened freight rail lines running through them. See a Huge potential for TOD on the greenfield lands adjoining the existing railways with an added benefit for the residents already in situ.
Nice looking development. Consider the children and sports grounds a bit more GAA pitch football. Is the school just secondary or primary? Build 5000 new homes and soon you'll have maybe 7,500 kids needing schooling which is probably more than 1 school. Also need of crèche places after school care facilities. Then also GP surgeries dentists etc so a health centre probably needed. A library is a nice idea but probably needs to be a more broadly useable community space. I guess the commercial units will house the arts/music/pubs/restaurants/cinema, that an area needs to have a soul. A small theatre would be nice, allowing plays music comedy etc. Give it a vibe that it isn't just commuter belt of Dublin. Would I like to live there? No, personally too big for me, I'm from the sticks.
Yeah, but it'll draw people away from the sticks, and leave more space for us!
Hey! What program did you use to draw those plans? Looks amazing😍
Thanks! We used Sketch Up and Twin Motion
I like this idea a lot, my major feedback though?
Accessibility. Please don’t forget about accessibility.
As a young professional who also happens to be a full time wheelchair user it’s a real heartsink to see rendering of new design ideas with huge steps to get in and out of residential properties.
It might look like South Central Dublin and therefore might look pretty, but it’s exactly this kind of design that makes it even harder for folk like me to find somewhere to live than just the regular reasons facing GenRent.
The best accessible design is the kind that is fully integrated from the start, doesn’t look clinical and just works - there’s a huge opportunity here to include it from day 1 in a TOD corridor (let’s chat about the accessibility of the train/DART/Luas another day though) and the worst thing designers could do is to just dedicate one wee section of every street to be accessible… if it’s accessible for me as a wheelchair user then it’s easier for mums with buggies, for older folk, for everyone…!
Well done on being realistic, It’s very important not to be anti-car with these developments.
I love the suggestion of the library! And in a prominent position too, that's wonderful. Absolutely vital for community. How about a cinema? If some of it could be built underground then not too much space needs to be taken from residential space. Or perhaps some flats could go on top? I'm not an architect or planner so I don't know if any of that wild make sense, I just think it might make the area more attractive to new and existing residents as well.
And how about a farmer's market?
If there's enough space in the park, there's a potential to set up the market there. Personally I'd love to see it, the market where I live is a fantastic place to see :^)
Ironically I’m in sallins while watching this. Unfortunately the style is so out of place to the look and feel of Salins. Also, the demand in Salins isn’t there right now
Who wants to live in a tower by the M3 in Co. Kildare? Trains are already overcrowded as it is. The M50 is often a glorified carpark. This would be just one big ghetto, like a lot of Celtic Tiger thinking. Daft idea, imho.
Also, you say it's been successful in France. The regions around Paris are notorious for social deprivation and ghettoisation. Comparing Ireland to Japan is like comparing a Lepruchan to Godzilla. Japan invests hugely - more than any other country - in trains. Trains are culturally huge in Japan. Also, they build quickly because there is a lot of post-earthquake building and they can and do borrow money cheaply.
Your whole vibe is ivory tower pipe dream.
The development near Colbert Station in Limerick won't be ready for 12 years. When do you think your motorway towers will be built by? Just slap em up in a few months, yeah?
That would be great if public transport was sufficient and efficient. The traffic is also bad enough as is. 2 hours of rush hour every morning and night. I live in Straffan. Great to try think of logical solutions but the government are the ones who have to do something with good ideas.
I'm from and lived in Dublin and also lived nearby Sallins I thoroughly enjoy the area, its very comfortable and the people are lovely, it is also a very good location to develop for the reasons you outline, Sallins is underdeveloped in comparison to Naas and when considering its transit links, I think this would be great. However I fear local opposition by Councillors and particularly farmers would be significant we have seen that in I believe it was Wicklow the council refused planning on grounds it exceeds the housing planned for their area and so when councils outside Dublin fulfill their obligations to the local development plan they may be reluctant to contribute to the housing crisis, I fear this will be a large problem in TOD.
Well there is the question of what do we do with the loss of hectares of arable land given Ireland’s insecurity with corn, vegetables and fruit
This is down to the limited population growth projections at a national level - the department has been telling councils to dezone land as the population projections the department and government uses are below reality. Meath dezoned a significant amount of its zoned land.
Would love to see more of these kinda videos about Ireland so I'm voting with my wallet.
Thanks so much, William! Really appreciate that
Interesting to see, but for a development so close to a train station, surely there is scope to narrow the roads, and possibly even make some streets one-way for motorists? In the 21st century, particularly in the week of COP28, it’s clear that we need to do much more to prioritise active travel rather than “being realistic” and keeping the car as the king. Good stuff, I look forward to seeing what you might do with Wexford Town!
Cars are here to stay buddy ! We will not be giving them up
Very interesting videos. Unfortunately, though only 10% of Dublin’s workforce work in the docklands where the tech companies are. There would be an extra 30 mins for most to get from Heuston to other parts of the cities. What could be done for them? Also, as a researcher in UCD, my school was suffering as students couldn’t get accommodation. Any solutions for this? Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Really enjoying your videos! This one is very informative and creative - it’s always great to see solutions being tested, and I like that it’s influenced by other European cities and TOD, based on evidence of what works! Also helpful for us in rural UK because there are many similar places along established train lines (just a shame the trains are a bit rubbish!!)
I would have added residences for older people within close walking distance of the Central Park area, it’s so vital to plan for awesome places to live as older people!
Looking forward to more videos 👏
I'm from the UK and spent last week in Ireland, my first visit. I certainly hope it won't be my last visit, as I found the beauty of Ireland and the friendly good nature of the people really touching. However, I could also see that this country has some rather big issues. The cost of food in Dublin, Cork, and even small towns like Dingle, felt comparable to London and Hong Kong, both of which I've lived in before. Looking at real estate briefly, it seemed like housing was no better. My hotel rooms were cramped tiny spaces that I paid a fortune for, even in Hong Kong I could expect a bigger room for the prices I paid. I read that 7 out of 10 young people want to leave Ireland. Whilst I was happy to see how Irish cities have preserved so well their built heritage, I could not see many high-rise buildings and wondered about the housing situation. In fact, I got the distinct impression that the air traffic control tower at Dublin Airport may be one of the tallest structures in the city!
Even though I do not live in Ireland, I found myself strangely invested in this video! Like, I want to live in this TOD space and was thinking "yeh, this would be great for Dubliners!". I'm not sure if my impressions of Ireland's situation are correct (and if I'm wrong I'm totally open to being corrected), but if the issues I sensed are real, I'm happy to see high quality teams like this channel working on showing what solutions there may be. I hope that those with the power to make these things happen will listen.
Irish people do not like living in apartments unlike other EU countries. It dates back to when the English took the land from the Irish people . We are now an independent country but owning a house with land or a garden is the main preference of Irish people
@@daliaa5294 I think thats mostly cause we're not used to the benefits of urban living. In european cities like Bilbao, the vast majority of the population lives in dense apartment blocks (mind, these apartments are still quite large internally, larger than ours). Bilbao likes this because in return they get good city life, restaurants shops and excellent transport and health services. I think high density housing (with mixed use developments) can be ideal, as it really brings life to an area.
We need high speed rail so bad. You could travel from cork to dublin in 30 mins if we had it
The thing I really don't like about Naas is how the old right of way for the former branchline from Sallins to Tullow has been heavily built on. This old Naas station was much closer the the town centre. Ideally a DART line could branch off of the Dublin to Cork Mainline at Sallins and go to the former site of the old Naas station.
Love it. Definitely make it as safe as possible for cycling so people can live here without a car. Also make it ultra safe for kids to cycle to school.
Big up sallins & naas yup the boys
Such a great idea. British Columbia has done something similar recently and released a new housing policy that takes into consideration Transit Orientated Development. The following laws apply to developments close to rapid transit stations:
• 200m or less = up to 20 stories (Condo tower)
• 201-400m = up to 12 stories (High-rise, Mid-rise)
• 401-800m = up to 8 stories (Mid-rise)
Great video, glad the RUclips algorithm has picked you up.
this is a great video keep it up!
While this is a brilliant idea, I just don't see this happening in Ireland in 2024. Everything is low density and catered towards middle class.
I really hope someone in Leinster House and the Dept of Housing is watching these videos.
As the station is surrounded by other structures, it’d be great to see how the existing buildings & uses can be integrated with the overall design so it feels more unified instead of independent. How can we make the town feel like a single place in 50 years instead of a subdivision with other structures?
Have been thinking about this idea for a while before you started this video series. So really enjoying it.
If you ever want the view/insight of a YIMB in Leixlip/Celbridge i'm willing to contribute. I have been activity contributing to local consultation for nearly 10 years with little effect. There was a plan for an extended town center in Celbridge that was progressively made smaller and smaller until local NIBY's and a local developer took it to the court and block it. Part of the outcome was for an increase in density to the North of the village even further away from the train station. They keep building on the wrong side of the village away from the rail line and with only 1 narrow bridge linking to the other side it can be bedlam in the morning and evening. The recent issue with the OPW, Castletown house and another local developer are only the latest in a long line prominently lead the a dedicated bunch of NIMBY's from 1 estate that like to misrepresent the facts and blatantly lie.
Best of luck with the channel.
You won't fix the problem with 2 floors buildings. Why not 10-20 floors instead? That makes each sq.m significantly cheaper for inhabitants and it's much faster to build 1 big building instead of dozens of small ones, isn't it?
Keep up the great work. Would love to see a video about the All-Island Rail Review & it's potential impacts for different parts of Ireland.
Wow. This is the type of content I have longed for on YT. Ireland focused on urban planning stuff. I think your ideas for the Salinns are really top-notch. Love the design of the park area and the slightly older style larger housing developments that aren't just copy and paste blocks like most modern developments. I visited Helsinki last year and I realised that the saying "The future is here, it's just not evenly distributed" is so accurate 😂. The airport had a train directly into the city centre where you can then hop on a tram that essentially can bring you to the block of your housing anywhere in the Helsinki Metropolitan area. Loads of parks and green spaces which were cleaned daily by the local authority. I can hope this type of Irish focused content can inspire and inform more Irish people on the potential that we could have in the country if only we advocate for more people centric planning.
Would love how you balance out building on greenfield and the climate crisis
By realising that a farmers green field is not particularly biodiverse, and a specifically biodiversity rich parkland within a new development could easily outclass the biodiversity of any overfertilised or mown down field. Especially if existing hedgerows are retained
No I would not like to live in a high density area
nobody is forcing you to
Sick to see you’re at 1.5k! A really enjoy watching these videos with how informative they are!!
Waterford city's north quays is a good example of TOD being developed in Ireland now. Took years to get off the ground
This is great content ❤ form 🇧🇼 i believe i wanna see this work in dublin as our capital city although small and undeveloped compared to any other capital city is super expensive due to multiple single family homes so normally living outside expensive city is best but the country is so car dependent, i myself use public transit and can tell u the combis and buses are horrible here its not all government owned its individual applies for license and makes their own money which u get unreliable bus which makes u buy ur own car so i believe that rail is necessary to grow our economy cos if u can move goods and people faster it stops citys from getring too expensive
Great idea . I would like to see the Dart Extended to there with the four lines .Then have a double track Dart line Connecting Sallins & Naas to the Maynooth Line .( with a Station at Clane) then Additional two track line From Maynooth to Dublin Airport via swords and join the Belfast Line at Rush and Lusk .You could have a Belfast to Cork train, Belfast To Galway Both stopping at Dublin airport.. Sligo services would inter change at Maynooth For Dublin Airport . May be Add The Dart Underground You have a Full orbital, though Cost is the big Question Here .
Interesting video and ideas. Possibly topic / question - should Ireland build a new second capital in the center of the island? It would be just over an hour to Dublin / Galway and Limerick. A bit further to Cork. Lots of land there. Already road / rail. Other countries have tried this with varying degrees of success. We are scheduled to add up to a million more people. Could the center work?
I think this plan that you guys thought up is really great, however, saying 20-30 minutes is a bit misleading. I know you guys say from station to station, which would make it true, but for the general commuter not really. They first need to go to the station, wait for a train, travel, get off, and then make the final mile journey. So in reality, the commute time would be about 45 mins to an hour.
But the plans really do look inspiring. Now only if Ireland could find a way to make other cities more desirable for business and people to live in. As in Ireland there is Dublin, and then nothing else (sorry cork, limerick, Galway, etc). Meanwhile, where I live, in the Netherlands, we have a lot of similar-sized cities that aren't too much smaller than the biggest. Amsterdam doesn't even break a million, and the 5th to 20th largest cities by population are all between 125k-250k. Meanwhile, Ireland's 3rd biggest city is already less than a 1/10th of the population of Dublin.
The train stations around Dublin that are between towns seem like a wasted opportunity - would love to see your take on a TOD at Rush & Lusk.
If you think that's bad, you should see Celbridge...
I've come back to watch this several times over the last few months. And I've been sharing the ideas you guys post around transport oriented design. Its very inspiring, but I wish I could see these kind of ideas move forward. What can we do to help? Are there any politicians that can really grt behind these ideas and make them happen?
Love the concept. Dart+ South West is on the way probably with additional lines. The site is green field. You have placed a pond and park but will it negate the flood zone in the land. Also TII sterilise a band of 90 odd metres from the motorway edge that will constrain the site. Love the videos though.
Love the idea but I don't think you can call it "Transit Oriented" when you plan 67% of journeys to be made by car. We need to imagine an Ireland where cars are only a minor part of the transport solution.
We tried this in the Netherlands in the 80s. Problem is with such communities is that unless you make them of a certain scale and plan for more vibrancy than mostly residential, they will remain sleepy bedroom communities. That means that the need for transportation between here and the big city, this case Dublin, will always exist and always grow. And it won't all be rail growth unfortunately. Result is that there is a permanent transportation need over long stretches over low density areas. Much better policy would be to build denser in and directly around the places where people want to be, the cities. This is harder to do short term but will have many many many benefits over the long term. Not just environmentally but also financially. While it may be cheaper now to do a greenfield development here, if it comes with ever-growing and always-costing transportastion problems that aren't the same as building up urban areas (with urban transit). A better idea would be to copy the Copenhagen model. Commuter trains in all directions of the big city with moderate dense housing around its stations that are located fairly close to the city.. Still get the benefits of suburbs but also the practicalities of being closer and faster into the city
Thoughts on modelling the national (north and south) rail interconnectivity of airports, especially between Dublin metropolitan area and Shannon / Belfast and Dublin ? Bit off topic i know but the increased focus on Dublin Airport will only reduce the quality of housing on the north side / santry in future
Also, Limerick Junction station needs to be gotten rid of, not further entrenched. It adds travel time on to both Dublin to Limerick and Dublin to Cork journeys. Both routes deviate to accomodate LJ and the Cork Dublin train has to wait until the Limerick -LJ train gets in or vice versa. It's a mess.
@polysee
Super videos, very enjoyable. But do you have any solutions that involve shifting demand for housing in Dublin to elsewhere in the country like the west coast? Dublin completely overpopulated. Surely time to develop other urban centres
Would like to see TOD around Enfield town in co.Meath. Town is growing significantly and there is a potential for more, nice greenery around, grand canal walk, connection on M4 and train to Dublin.
This is really great. But the public transport needs to improve significantly. I live in Mullingar and would be more than happy to take the train to work in Dublin each day. However it does not run nearly often enough. It's too expensive for the inconvenience and I would be stuck in the city each night due to no transport available when I finish work. These are issues that can be tackled now and would allow more people to commute and not rely on cars.
I'd like to put down a deposit on one of those properties if possible 😂
Great work though lads. Would be great if James Lawless or Bernard Durkan had a look at this.
I’m sure Sallins will be delighted with the plan!
As a resident, I sure am!
amazing stuff, dont know if its possible but would love to see a video outlining the new metro plans amnd how you think we can build from there. theres a lot of negativity surrounding the topic, would love to see something positive!
Amazing videos, I just subscribed today... The only puzzling decision from this video is the idea of a large library.. I'm not so sure libraries are in high demand or utilization nowadays.
Really nice concept and ideal site. However, if the current landowner there refuses to sell their land, the project is a dead duck before it even begins.
I like the overall concept, but the roads should be even narrower than illustrated in the video.
Terrible idea will be a Kip in no time and nobody will get the train stop putting jobs in Dublin and moved them to midlands and create new cities
Amazing videos! Love the visualisations and how it all comes together with great storytelling
Crying and puking and sending this to Catherine Murphy 100 times please GOD
Great idea, if only our governments hared the same views
This makes me want to play City Skylines. Great video and channel
I'd love to see a video on Cork Cities traffic problem if ye have any ideas on it
Can you please send these videos to our useless government!
How strange - a series of well-made and informative videos, with clear opinions, aimed at the general population.
mad.
As someone from Lucan I can attest to the change that has happened here since Adamstown was built and its nowhere near finished but you can see it is going in the right direction. If we had a government that would take housing seriously we could see Ireland become a very beautiful place to live. Transport and Housing, how difficult can it really be?
Great content. Hope this makes waves.
If you're going to base these communities around transport, you also need to consider more wilderness landscapes in the surrounding areas. So yes build the homes for 5000 people but also propose to buy up more land or work with the farmers to plant native Irish Woodlands around your new TOD's so the it's not just about living in this new urban centre in the middle of Kildare, it's also about being closer to nature, closer to wilderness. People need the conveniences of the TOD, but people aspire to live a certain lifestyle, and you could incorporate that into your design and but not only give them that feeling of getting to escape away from the city and back into nature, but you also get to give back to nature. Actually benefit the environment and people will buy into that ideal and want to live there. Even though yes. It's Sallins.
Anyway yes, love the videos and your guys ideas, the town designed around the library looks great and the oak tree choice, beautiful! And the gradual grading of the housing, back down to two story buildings, great variety of loving options to choose from. Have you guys also considered space for a club ground? For sport, like gaelic football, tennis, swimming, rugby, football, basketball, indoor Hall for volleyball, paddle court. I'm not saying all of these in one place but you could have a sprinkle of a few in each. These 5000 people need activities to love living in your transportat oriented development... Areas. You feel me? I think your idea could work for real though, I'd love to see it happen 🙏🏼
Great video!
Too logical, shut it down
great videos man
I don't think they understand how railways work.
Two tracks usually means one track for each direction of travel, not one track for local and one track for express.
You would probably want to rebuild the station to three tracks, with the two outer tracks as platforms for stopping trains and inner track as an omni-directional passing track for non-stop traffic?
Yes, the "with track improvements" refers to the fact that upgrades would be required here. Will revisit in due course after speaking to Irish Rail
I think they are planning on moving the station out of Sallins towards Osberstown
Osberstwon is mostly in sallins pal
The dart plus plan is disgrace in that it does not include park and rides. I lived in Boston for years and it is similar to Dublin - east coast semi circle city with train lines and motorways beside each other. In Boston they built massive multi story park and rides with the station in the middle with slip roads to the motorway. All the Dublin train lines are beside the motorways. This is also needed with TOD. The train network needs massive capacity and the cars and buses should feed that network. The decision not to add a new dart station at Cabra is also idiotic.
Of course it's a disgrace, it's Ireland!
this is amazing
Great video!
All of this makes total sense to me, it somewhat reminds me of the new Crossing development across from Adamstown station. The only concern I have regarding the TOD approach is, of course, the ‘T’. What would Iarnrod Eireann need to do to support this? And do we even trust them to do it? The trains on this line at times feel like they’re at double capacity and I have heard (anecdotally, but from an insider) that they are at 100% in terms of trains deployed. Kishogue will be open soon and to be honest I have no confidence that they will increase supply enough to address that new demand. Will you be going into the transport network in detail in a future video?
Thanks for the detailed feedback. Yes we plan to delve into the rail network properly in future videos, and hopefully speak directly with Irish Rail
Why take more land out of production? What if the landowner doesn’t want to sell?
How is utilising land for transport suddenly land out of production?
mistake, in ireland we dont use crossroads as they are not safe we use roundabouts instead
Will take this on board, thx
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If you're assuming 67% of journeys are by car, then I guess that would mean pretty much every household in the area having one, which sounds like a lot of parking. How do you propose handling this? Multistory and underground are expensive, and surface parking would negate your aims of reducing the amount of greenfield needing to be developed.
You may not need as much as you think. Within the zone, initially encourage walkability and provide sufficient parking for the residential areas - a big portion of that car use is likely to be down to Irelands generally bad public transport links and worker commutes to sprawled retail parks all over the place. So just having home parking could be a big portion of it.
Multistorey might have a place (near the hotel site) and depending on how central the park is, they could do street parking along the edge of the park and little bits here and there for loading / unloading on each street.
Once all of that is added up, there likely isn't a huge call for parking lots.
@ciarasweeney I think they could do better than 67% of journeys taken by car, but that's what they say they're aiming for. If we go with that, I would assume that almost every household in the area would own a car, but it's still walking or taking public transport for some journeys.
The cars could go underground, as in under the apartment buildings. That is what they do in Europe
@@anothermetaphor7586 I addressed this in my original comment.
@@mondoman712 My bad, I missed that initially
I live in Sallins and, while I support progress, there are numerous factors to consider before increasing the region's density. Sallins, being a small village, has a main road connecting Clane, Maynooth, and Naas, which is already under significant strain. The train station, in particular, is overwhelmed by the daily number of users. I personally experience how crowded the trains are becoming. Additionally, departing from the train station by car during peak hours is increasingly time-consuming. My concern isn't just about parking at the station; I live in the estate near the two main car parks, and I find myself avoiding using my car between 5 pm and 7 pm due to the traffic congestion. Now, imagine the current situation compounded by an additional 5,000 residents. But yes, I'd love to see such a project in the area if the current issues are addressed and solved.
Actually the modern TODs are continental NORTH AMERICA solutions, and there are some misunderstanding about it.
1. THERE ARE FEW TODS IN THE OLD WORLD!
Any residential development in the Old World or pre-WWII north america somewhat dependents on the transit, but they DID NOT fit the defination of TODs for their land use were not decided by the owner of the transit(except for the government of Hongkong or Singapore which owns nearly all land) , they were emerged and growed up from a small town to a large town centre without much government intenvention.
2. The prototype TODs emerged in England(especially London's metro-land) at the end of 19th century to support the garden city SUBURBS(aka streetcar suburbs), TODs applied to north america these days focuse on making an artificial town centre with strong commercial function and extremely high density(40K+pp/sqkm) purposely.I think the difficulty and EXTREMELY HIGH COST of building the new transit lead to this(you have to squeeze any potential of the expensive transit), date back to the 1900s, developer can construct a train line ON THEMSELVES(which is impossible these days)
Hey guys, love the ideas. Could you have a look at limerick at some stage? Also would be nice to have a bit of your design feature more contemporary architecture. Maybe a just a neighborhood for variety.
Allotments - most over looked feature of TOD and 15 minute city design.
l love a lot of things about this and I'd probably quite happily live in a development like that but all the, I guess we could call it neo-georgian architecture, is a real vibe-killer. Not that there couldn't be a bit of that but it just feels like trying to make a little mini Dublin. Needs a more contemporary Irish vernacular style in my opinion.
TOD of Drogheda & East Meath would make for a great video, entire area has so much potential
This is very insightful. I will also like to see videos that addresses affordability of these potentially supplied housing. This concept is already being done in principle in Adamstown Dublin, where high density mixed buildings are being built close to the train station, but the supplied housing isn’t even affordable to say the least. Supply is slowly getting sorted but affordability isn’t. Will like to see this concept implemented with more cost rental housing either by local authorities or non profit organisations as the supply from their own end is lacking compared to developers & cuckoo funds that are more after profits/investments for stakeholders than actually solving the housing crisis.
Great videos, brilliant to see this kind of content in the irish context. Would be great to see a video on Clonsilla and also how to tackle the galway traffic issue.
Ireland needs high density house to maintain our beautiful natural environment but one criticism I have is balcony’s are not Irish architecture they lead to clutter and other issues