What is Dispensationalism? (And Why it Must Die) // THE RAPTURE & ENDURANCE OF THE SAINTS
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- MARANATHA Global Bible Study // The Rapture and the Endurance of the Saints Episode 25: What is Dispensationalism? (And Why it Must Die)
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OMG..FINALLY! I'm 55yrs old and you have cleared this whole thing up for me! Wow, so many seasoned teachers don't even get this! THANK YOU!!!!!!!
I'm just so so happy Pastor Joel, it's just so awesome to have this solved!!!!!
OMG is taking the Lord's Name in vain.
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Oh My Goodness?
"GOD" is NOT His Name...
YeHoVaH...
Jehovah...
Yahweh...
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the RUclips videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
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I always tell christians we cant change the world. and we never will we will suffer persecution and jesus will come to judge the world. its already been spoken it is condemned. I can not pray for something Jesus never prayer for. God Bless
Whatever doctrine you believe the over arching theme is be ready to endure persecution
Persecution is part of life. Some of the persecution of the righteous is for the sake of the unrighteous.
that was an hour of enlightenment. I never really understood all the different terminologies of the ism's but I have a much clearer understanding now of what is going on. Thank you for sharing this.
Uh huh!
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Again Joel. YAH bless you and your. Bless this ministry the work you guys do is so awesome. FAI has been huge in my walk, still a baby and you guys make it so comprehensive. Just thank you and God Bless
Thank you God for directing this man to do this. So good.
Remember Jesus said this often" It is written "
Nuff said😊
Joel, the progression of knowledge reminds me of Daniels words saying how knowledge will increase in the last days….knowledge of the eternal plans of the Lord, just as Dalton has presented in previous sessions.
Yes but pre trib claims it is the oldest
And non Dispensationalist are ignoring the Truth of the Word and making up their own doctrine. As a (Hyper, as I'm sometimes called) Dispensationalist, I get to believe Scripture as it written, changing nothing, ignoring nothing.
I agree, it's no wonder I never found a church and do all my study at home. Bless you all involved in your production.
Haha I will have to watch this like 5 more times to get it 🤣
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@@joe1940even if it means assembling of the saints who are being taught errors of Scripture?
yes solo scriptora not mans doctrines and interpretations.
Me too. What worries me most is I can’t see the church maturing like it needs to. Including me, even though I know these things are true, but going to different churches I get a little discouraged. Too many money preachers, etc…
Thank you. Very good summary of dispensationalism
I align myself with Calvinism and reformed theology. You have swung me to the post-trib rapture with your efforts to walk us through it using correct scriptures. As someone who does not like the charismatic movement, as I know you are involved in, i really respect that you do not saturate your messages with it. You just stay with the scriptures, leaving out the charismatic/Pentecostal things that I do not align with my spiritual walk in Christ, which helps me just focus on the topic at hand; rather than continuing to war against the denominations. This is ABSOLUTELY what all of us should be doing as we reach out to world in the great commission. This is the only reason why I would consider watching you and I’m glad you are mature enough as a minister of Christ to do so. Keep up the great work, sir! You have made a huge difference for me.
The absurdity of this position is astounding to me. ALL of you believe in dispensations. If you believe in a divide between the OT and NT then you believe in a dispensation right there. If you believe we are under grace today and nit under the OT law then you believe in a dispensations right there. The biggest problem of all is you have no explanation at all for entire sections of the Bible because it simply will not work with your theology. You basically have to ignore large section of the Bible because you don't know what to do with them. For example tell me what is going on in Ezekiel 36-39, tell when this this was fulfilled and when this war happened. And AFTER you do than then tell me what Ezekiel 40-48 is talking about and when this happened. That is but one example and there are countless others I can points to like Zechariah 12 and 14, and Jeremiah 30-33, entire chapters in Isaiah, Joel, Psalms, Micah, Zephaniah and countless others.
Just start with Ezekiel 36-39. EXPLAIN THIS TO ME AND TELL ME WHEN THIS WAS FULFILLED under your theology.
@@Orange6921 I have to look back over this later but I certainly agree that the OT cannot be ignored. It is vital to understanding of the writings of the NT.
@@Orange6921 It sounds like you are grieved about something. It is easy to demand explanations without really submitting your own bulletproof analysis for similar scrutiny. If you have listened to many of Joel's sessions (and those of Dalton) then you would know that they are open with these studies. They exhort us to be like the Bereans, who studied to see what Paul said was true. They are not imposing their theology onto you or anyone. They are not dogmatic. They are seeking truth through the Scripture in a manner that demonstrates that they think carefully and analyse each portion in context.
@@Orange6921Stop with the "all of you" nonsense and aggressive speach. Do you think Paul and the other Apostles spoke like that when trying to win hearts and minds?!
@@luciparadise6781 Aggressive speech? "All of you" is aggressive and insulting? I've been discussing and debating this for years with people, what on earth is wrong with referring to those who buy into this theology as "all of you"?
Maybe try not to be so incredibly thin skinned.
No insult was intended on my part.
Excellent Message! Thank you.
Maranatha YAH Bless all his believers and their children Amen Amen HalleluYAH
very helpful. Thank you Joel Richardson.
Excellent teaching. Debunking some of my protestant believes. Thank you so much. 😊
I believe that true Israel, the Israel that will be saved, will all be believers in Christ. Both Jewish Believers and Gentile Believers make up true Israel, the Israel of God (Gal 6: 12-16).
Yep. Amen
Clear and concise. A very good presentation that I agree with wholeheartedly.
Thank you so much for your detailed, thorough teaching, Joel. God bless you snd your ministry.
Olive Tree theology ! We are grafted into God’s previous project! Wahoo! Thank you Jesus.
Basic dispensatinalism recognizes that both Jew and Gentile WHO ACCEPT CHRIST are one body, not two separate groups. There is no separation at all between them, they are all one group and all God's people.
But that is the very reason people will reject it, they think we are saying the complete opposite of that. No, that is not what is being said at all.
When we talk about the differences between the Church and Israel and God's fulfillment of his promises to Israel in prophecy we are not talking about events that happen in the church age. We are talking about events that happen AFTER the church age ends and in the Kingdom age (millennial reign).
None of this applies to people (Jew or Gentile) in Christ living in the church age. We are one body in Christ and that is our ETERNAL state in New Jerusalem in Heaven. This applies to people not yet born who will be living in the Millennial Kingdom on earth following the return of Christ.
The church age is not the eternal state, it has a very definitive end point in the Bible. And many events follow it according to scripture. The latter half of Revelation is one obvious example but there are countless entire chapters on this in the Old Testament.
Its also a misunderstanding about the support for modern Israel. It has nothing to do with being critical or not being critical of modern Israel. Modern Israel is not saved, they have rejected Christ and rejected God and are in fact extremely wicked in His eyes. They cannot save themselves by rebuilding a temple and getting back to sacrifices under the OT law (through the NT clearly says they will try in the tribulation). Their one and only path to redemption is through Jesus Christ alone.
But scripture says that God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse them, and though they are enemies of the Gospel they are still beloved for the Fathers sake.
Maybe that will begin to help clarify some of this. Its ALWAYS the same basic misunderstandings that divide some people on this. When people begin to understand what is being said on this and then go back to fact check it in scripture, they tend to get in line with it very quickly because its undeniable in scripture. To deny it means you have to basically tear entire sections out of your bible and flush then down the drain because they are meaningless and massively contradictory. This perfectly clarifies and brings to life all those sections of the Bible people tend to avoid at all costs and never open and read.
I never believed in a pre trib rapture. It’s become a distraction from worshiping how Holy he is , praise him, and doing good deeds.
@@ritasalemme89 Incredibly silly comment. No matter your rapture view it takes nothing away from worshiping God. In anyone is distracted its all the people attacking pre tribbers these days. Hard to worship God when all you do is attack people for their rapture view.
I personally don't go around attacking people regarding what I consider pre-tribulation nonsense. Its just my understanding that we will be expected to participate in THE WAR against the unseen EVIL that plagues us.
I actually worry about the people that wholeheartedly believe in a pre-tribulation. What happens to them psychologically when it doesn't happen?!
@@luciparadise6781 Maybe you can explain Rev 3:10 and Luke 21:36. Or Zephaniah 2:2-3.
Your are supposed to be participating in the spiritual war RIGHT NOW, not waiting for the antichrist to show up. There is not a single verse in the entire Bible that tell you to go to war against the anitchrist. NOT ONE. Its Jesus who brings the war at the 2nd coming.
And while you at it explain how you can be saved by faith but have to earn your salvation by going through the great tribulation.
I'm all ears if you can. I'm open to it but I have yet to hear anyone give a explanation that makes since without just flat out rejecting such verses.
The idea that you are a better or stronger Christian because you believe in a mid or post trib rapture is rather silly and prideful.
Excellent teaching. One of the best presented by Joel.
This is a much needed teaching.
THANK YOU FOR THIS!! You taught this clearly, succinctly, and so anyone can understand. I really needed this info and greatly appreciate your explanation.
Instead of using scripture to backup/explain scripture, dispensationalist like using bible study books, i.e. The Scofield study bible, which reinforces their "pre-trib" doctrine. I prefer to use scripture only.
I believe that the "Bible" is the "word of God" from God. There's no question asked from man concerning the salvation of man that the scriptures do not answer. Proverbs 25:2 is in mind here. Much I want to say here, so let's share a meal one day and answer some of these questions, ok. Maranatha!
I am so thankful God allowed me to find yalls channel here on RUclips and your app. I am really enjoying this series on the pretrib rapture. It is very helpful and insightful. Thank you for your hard work putting all these videos out here for us to find and watch. They are very helpful to me as I continue to grow in my sanctification in Christ.
Also listen to Chuck Baldwin he was a dispensationalists, taught it for 30 year's, until the Lord opened his eyes! About 13 year's ago.
Leaving Dispensationalism is the first step toward the truth of Covenant Eschatology. Keep studying.
Well that certainly was a very good teaching on the different stages of the church age. Agree with all said.
The Millennial age cant get here soon enough! Maranatha!
Millennial age is also a lie. It segues with the golden age of lucifer on the earth the 1.000 points of light. Jesus reigns for ever, not a thousand years.
Ehhh this is all to wordly for me... My faith begins and ends with Jesus Christ
Faith is hearing obedience and to come under the authority of be sure your understanding of that and count the cost as JESUS said
Thank you!!! 🙏🙏 South Africa
Such a good teaching. Awesome.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 NKJV - All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
This would include Matthew 24.
Yeah, I've been in discussions with pre-tribulationists lately and I brought up the resurrection in Isaiah 26 and the one alluded to in Isaiah 52. I view understanding the resurrection to be of utmost importance since 1st Thessalonians 4 says the dead are raised first, and then those still living will be caught with them to meet the Lord in the air.
I talked about Isaiah 52:10-12 possibly being the rapture and I was told that I can't use the book of Isaiah to try and understand the resurrection or rapture. It's not a book for us (church). The number of books in the Bible I can read and learn from is ever decreasing according to pre-tribulationists. I've even had some tell me I cannot read the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. They say only the Pauline epistles are for the church despite the fact that we can see that Peter learned from Paul and undoubtedly vice versa. 2nd Peter 3:15
I use to think that this was just difference of opinion, but ever increasingly I see the proponents of pre-tribulationism and its leaders holding onto this doctrine and either avoiding debates entirely or attacking anything which refutes it with extreme hostility... and at all costs. They are even creating new doctrine to help support pre-tribulationism. I hear many say now that there's several resurrections and several raptures. Maybe you've heard the wheat harvest, barley harvest, grape harvest and all the others that they've come up with? Although Ephesians 1:10 says everyone in Christ will be gathered at the same time, both those in heaven (the dead) and those on earth (the living). Hebrews 11:39-40 agrees and says even old testament saints going all the way back to Abel have not received the promise yet. God has provided something much better, that they should not be made perfect apart from us. All are made perfect together once the fullness has come in.
There is a spirit within them that knows the lie is being uncovered and it doesn't want it to be uncovered. I have to wonder why? But then I read Matthew 24:4-5, 23-25 and I think I start to understand. If you think Christ will come any sooner than what He told us in Matthew 24, then you will be open to being deceived by a deception so great that, if possible, it would deceive even the elect.
What I take from that statement is that without God's intervention, everyone would have been deceived. It's that powerful of a deception.
@@seasquawker We need to study all of the bible and keep the ages, which come and go straight with the subject being addressed in the scripture. The OT in invaluable because it testifies of the awesomeness and wonder of God. The type and shadows of Christ. The resurrection of Christ to be King in Mount Zion. The city of the living God.
Pss.48
[1] Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.
[2] Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
[3] God is known in her palaces for a refuge.
[4] For, lo, the kings were assembled, they passed by together.
[5] They saw it, and so they marvelled; they were troubled, and hasted away.
[6] Fear took hold upon them there, and pain, as of a woman in travail.
[7] Thou breakest the ships of Tarshish with an east wind.
[8] As we have heard, so have we seen in the city of the LORD of hosts, in the city of our God: God will establish it for ever. Selah.
As for the tribulation, it is punishment for the unbelieving Jews and other nations. If we have to go thru it. We are guaranteed the salvation of our souls. But that is not what the Jew is taught. They are taught that they must endure to the end.
@@seasquawker Read Matthew 24, Revelation 12.11 and Revelation 20.4. The reality is that Esau has mandated "noahide laws" into the patriot act that ensure the death of the believers in Messiah Jesus Christ, including the children of Jacob-Israel, whom Esau hates. (Genesis 27.40, Amos 1.11)
@laurarussell2415 If you are inferring that Jesus was talking about the church in Matthew 24, study it more carefully. Sort out what is meant for Israel, and what applies to believers in the church. If you take it out of context, you will never understand it.
I’m 55 this month and this is the first time someone has captured my thoughts about the fictitious rapture. I felt that I was defective both because I was saved as a single mother in the single mother hating American 1990’s and was in college and read my Bible. I saw suffering coming and I was persecuted in college for my faith. Joel and Dalton are using scriptures I have thought about each time I was presented rapture. My life is social isolation and persecution in the university contradicts the social club pre-trib rapture church. I was living the biblical reality but the church social club could not relate to me b/c I wasn’t getting rich and the persecution sent the message that I was doing something to cause the problems because anyone who knew God would be happy, married, and rich, in Jesus hands. Thank God someone is talking about the reality of what I read and how the world reacts to the Spirit of the Living God.
Fictitious rapture that will cost some, dearly. David Jeremiah is leading many astray with this false teaching.
@@WilliamHendershott you are spot on!!! This whole dispensational futurist claptrap is a travisty. Very bad exegesis, and the consequences of twisted theology.
@@WilliamHendershott That's been very frustrating to me, because when he isn't talking about end times, he's a good pastor. There are several like this. Jensen Franklin has jumped on the bandwagon, after spending a bunch of time with John Hagee and his son.
@@WilliamHendershott True and yet the individual believer is called to exercise his senses by reason of use to discern both good and evil. Hebrews 5.14 And we are also called to COME OUT OF HER, that we participate not in her sins nor partake of her plagues. Rev 18.4, 2 Cor 6.17
@bren5810 I am sorry for you, that some false teacher has led you astray, friend. The rapture is real, it is coming, it will take place exactly the way the Holy Spirit showed Paul so he could tell the believers at Thessalonica, and you are wrong to call Jesus' shout from the air 'fictitious'. Nothing could be further from the truth. I hope you will leave off following this false teacher immediately, as he is making shipwreck of people's faith!
If you were to meet me in search of the truth, I really wouldn't have a clue where to start. I hope the holy spirit speaks directly to you on your understanding of all 66 books.
I agree with you in some parts. I don’t agree with other Christians who believe that our Lord Jesus will be sacrificing bulls, lambs etc during the so called *millennial kingdom*
His is the Only sacrifice God the Father has already required.
Lord Jesus is being slapped in His Face by such a teaching of Him doing sacrificing. I believe we're in the Millennial period now. Jesus reigns in those who accept Him as the True King. When He returns it will be in total judgment over all those who rejected Him as Lord.
This is excellent teaching! Keep up the great work in the Lord.
'Where is the promise of his coming?' they will say.
Habukkuk 2.3: For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
The sword coming out of his mouth is the word of God. And it signifies the church preaching salvation to the lost
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This is the closest to my understanding. I have a hard time going to any of the churches in my area because it just feels off. These are big reasons why. Thank you
The absurdity of this position is astounding to me. ALL of you believe in dispensations. If you believe in a divide between the OT and NT then you believe in a dispensation right there. If you believe we are under grace today and nit under the OT law then you believe in a dispensations right there. The biggest problem of all is you have no explanation at all for entire sections of the Bible because it simply will not work with your theology. You basically have to ignore large section of the Bible because you don't know what to do with them. For example tell me what is going on in Ezekiel 36-39, tell when this this was fulfilled and when this war happened. And AFTER you do than then tell me what Ezekiel 40-48 is talking about and when this happened. That is but one example and there are countless others I can points to like Zechariah 12 and 14, and Jeremiah 30-33, entire chapters in Isaiah, Joel, Psalms, Micah, Zephaniah and countless others.
Just start with Ezekiel 36-39. EXPLAIN THIS TO ME AND TELL ME WHEN THIS WAS FULFILLED under your theology.
A Millennium Puzzle to solve… Will Christ be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents 500 years after His Second Coming?
The “first resurrection” in Rev. chapter 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation, because the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead in chapter 11. There are two different types of resurrection in John chapter 5. There is a spiritual resurrection from the dead in John 5:24, and a bodily resurrection from the dead in John 5:28-29.
Does your view of the Millennium agree with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing? The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage? There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19.
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Does your view agree with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time? Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time.
Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth.
@@markusandrew777 The irony is that dispensations is the one and only view that actually has no "interpretation" lens at all. Its the most direct plain reading of the text of all views.
Its these other view where you have to add a "lens" to make work.
For basic dispensationalism, all you have to do is read these chapters and believe what they say.
When we are talking about basic dispensationalsim, what we are talking about is the understanding that huge portions of the Bible make clear God is not finished with the nation of Israel and is going to do a great work with them and bring them under the New Covenant during the great tribulation (Time of Jacobs Trouble) and Jesus will reign over the whole earth from Jerusalem in the 1000 year Kingdom.
That is just a plain reading of the text, its requires no lens or special formula at all.
The Bible just says this plainly over and over and over and over again.
Its all these other views where they have to add a lens and say "yeah it says that but its does not mean it, it secretly means xyz instead."
@@markusandrew777 The "spottervideo" guys comment is a perfect example of reading scripture through a lens.
He has this whole convoluted system he crams the scripture through to make his view work to come up with explanations that turn Revelation and most of the OT prophets into total and completely incomprehensible gibberish.
@@markusandrew777 Brother, neither pre, mid or post trib rapture aren't clearly defined enough in a literal reading of scripture which is why people are so over the map on this.
The rapture is the resurrection of the Saints in Christ and there is no mention of a Resurrection in any of the 2nd coming passages. Not in Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Revelation 19 or Zechariah 14. Post tribbers add it in but its simple not in any of those texts. Putting it there is not a literal interpretation.
Don't even get me started on mid trib, its is obviously not literally written in the text anywhere they claim it is. They add it in and say its because of yada, yada.
Same with pre trib, there are biblical arguments you can give for it but its not implicitly stated enough to convince everyone.
But pre tribiltion rapture is a secondary issue to dispensationalism. The core of basic dispensations is the understanding that God is not finished with Israel and will bring them under the New covenant in the tribulation and reign from Jerusalem over the whole earth in the 1000 year Kingdom.
The meaning of the word in the Bible refers to how God deals with people in a certain time period. The OT law was one dispensation, the Age of grace and New Covenant is a different dispensation.
That is how the Bible uses the word, its not directly connected to pre trib. The reason dispensationalists are usually pre trib is because pre trib fits with dispensationalism way better than the other 2.
But basic dispensations are a fact of scripture, those who reject them have no explanation for large portions of the prophets both in the OT and NT. They totally contradict those other views in a way that makes them incomprehensible gibberish.
Thus they never talk about them and avoid them at all costs if the topic comes up.
Such helpful charts, thank you for this teaching.
Very good teaching I am so thankful to have found your ministry. I am sharing it with others. I've been a Christian 50 years and administer of the gospel for over 30. I gave up on the pre-tribulation doctrine of devils and the dispensational thinking a long time ago. It's amazing how hard it can be to try to share it with others. I can show them scripture after scripture that supports a post trip free wrath rapture. Yet they will say they believe in a pre-trip but they can't show me any verses. Makes me wonder how many are false converts. Thanks again the truth is all that matters Paul said will bring nothing but disappointment and despair. Praise God Jesus is Lord! Love in Jesus. Pastor Duane and Chico Pup
Praise God you´ve come out of deception. The Israelites are still scattered, and Esau is dwelling in the tents of Shem.
A very good historical summary of the various "ism's" that have existed and still exist today.
Birth pains moving forward in a cyclical pattern faster and faster. Then our Yeshusa, our Savior has returned.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
First the man of sin, the messiah of Esau. 2 Thess 2
58:27 2 Timothy 2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth
Dividing means handle. That's why other versions all say handle
@@handles617 That's why all other versions are wrong
@@toobie4292 considering that the Greek word in question does not even translate to say rightly dividing, It's fairly arrogant of you to claim that your own translation would be the accurate one, especially since the kjv has numerous errors
Rightly dividing means not claiming the Gsopel are for the Jews and not for the Church. Such is heretical.
wow that was powerful! 😂
Thank you, Joel. Even if this affects one person, that's a really good thing. Also, the Pre-Trib teachers are all very adamant about their position. They will not budge. It's their way or the highway. It's odd to see because it's like they're blinded to the truth. Almost every week I come across another video where the pre-trib group is proving their point of view. It's endless. Are they trying to convince themselves? I've heard "hey, I'll wave goodbye to you when I'm going up". I mean, come on!
Amen brother❤️
Satan also says amen
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Joel, don't underestimate your listeners. Some of us, me included, have collected and study David Baron, Adolph Saphir, Walter Kaiser, etc, because of listening to you. I am very grateful. The result for me has been a much deeper appreciation and understanding of God's wonderful Word.
You're better off reading the bible
Ahh yes. Since I started listening to Joel, he's led me to all kinds of others. I've learned to really study the Word. Thank you Joel.
Like the person below said you are better off reading the bible and study it. Joel is misleading people like you and others with hardly any biblical knowledge.
Like I said, become well-read and a responsible student of Scriptures, then you can engage with others with substance and intelligence, instead of resorting to mindless putdowns.
@@kathleensanford1950 Only the Word can set you free. Hebrews 4.12
Most men want money for their efforts to deceive.
I agree about dumping terms full of baggage. We should also dump the term rapture as well and use the biblical term resurrection.
I wouldn't go that far yet.
@@pierrelabounty9917 Too many have gone that far in the opposite direction. Resurrection has practically dropped from the modern church's vocabulary even though it was a focal point of Jesus' ministry. This term was completely absent in this hour long video for example. Time to course correct back to the gospel message.
Resurrection is NOT the Biblical word. Please look at 1 Thess. 4:17 where the word is CAUGHT UP not resurrection. This term CAUGHT UP was translated from Greek into a Latin word which has been approximated into the English word RAPTURED. It is a concept related to resurrection but different. As much as you might be uncomfortable with this concept, there MUST BE an actual PHYSICAL PHYSICAL CATCHING UP at some time of the Church saints living at that time to join those dead Church saints then being raised. Paul presents this as an actual PHYSICAL future REALITY. This catching up, this rapture must happen. If your system doesn't have room for it then your system is wrong. But you cannot happily wish it away. Not in Biblical Christianity.
@@JosephBoxmeyer
You are conflating Biblical terms with man's ideas and interpretations.
I Cor 15
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Death is not yet conquered, but it will be; Through the resurrection from the dead at the last trump.
II Cor 12
1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
Jesus was caught up.....he was resurrected.
Heb 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
If you are to receive salvation then you will be resurrected as well. Only after shedding your mortal coil:
I Cor 15
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Resurrection of the dead is one of the six principles of the doctrine of Christ...kinda important. Heb 6:1-3
I'm in support of the FAI mission of reaching people who have yet to be reached. Not ready to donate yet...but I did subscribe, like and comment.
At the end... I may also share it.
This age, the age of Christ. After ad 70 the new age arrived. The temple is destroyed now we have the new covenant.
Excellent teaching!
Loved your teaching today. Thanks for not mincing word about the cultic nature of dispensationalism and pre-trib. Very good!
But you sure did bring it up.
Praise God Neegan changed his ways... amen
Thanks great overviews and teachings on the furthering of the church to today.And as Jeremiah said some scripture is not opened until its time...I like to encourage you to do a study of Zacharia 12 for today timeline.I love your opinon.😊
If you believe in the gospel and salvation through faith alone, everything else is irrelevant.
Knowledge of truth is the primary safeguard against deception. The elect must know, and they must learn to test and prove the spirits until they do know what is of God and what is of Satan. The words of the Master, Take heed, I have told you, plainly imply that personal knowledge of danger is part of the Lord's way of guarding His own. Those who blindly rely upon the keeping power of God without seeking to understand how to escape deception, when forewarned to take heed by the Lord, will surely find themselves entrapped by the subtle foe.
It's so important to get revelation from the scriptures and not man, or the traditions of man!
You must know who your enemy is, which is the enemy of Messiah and God (Psalm 2) and how the hierarch of satan on this earth works. Esau prints the money and makes the rules. And the whole world will follow after the beast. Rev 13.3
The demons believe there's far more to it. You must understand that to believe is to come under the authority of and to hear and obey.
There are many commands and requirements that Jesus gave us. Read all the red letters
There's a guy named Tom whose channel is The Watchman River channel who teaches thousands that there's a pretrib rapture. He actually opens up by saying he's not a prophet, he's not a pastor and he's not even a good teacher. Just as you have pointed out in this video he very distinctly points to the difference between Isreal and the Church. Saying exactly what you said that the church must be raptured so God can deal with Isreal for 7 years. He seems to block those who disagree with him but I wish there was a way to reach his followers to share the truth with them. Thousands tune in to hear him daily. It's so unfortunate.
For a lot of them, all we can do is plant the seed and pray for them.
Thanks for explaining this subject in a clear and easy way. 👍
Going back to the basics. A church that's led by the HOLY SPIRIT just like in the times of the Apostles.
I appreciate this video. I've actually looked up dispensationalism and still felt kind of lost in the explanation.
I think its helpful to realize that this Greek form of teaching was alive even when the apostles were still alive- thats why Paul and John often exposed Gnosticism in their letters- I wonder if thats why Peter and some of the other brothers were reluctant ( even after his experience with Cornelius) to fully except Gentile believers..
We live in the Day Dispensationbof Grace! It doesn't pass away!!
Pastor at my church taught last Sunday from Luke 10 and told us all. That God gives grace to some and not to others. I'm leaving
@katiefaith5381 He doesn't give grace to children of Satan. Anyone can receive God's grace but he must first receive Jesus as his Savior.
Also remember scripture "lord lord I prophesied in your name.... Get away you workers of iniquity. I never knew you." Matthew 7:22. It's referring to false prophets & false doctrines. You won't receive God's grace on Judgement Day.
That was a great presentation. It's really interesting to see all of the debates that various groups have. The diversity of beliefs and opinions...pre-trib vs post trib, amillennial vs pre-millennial etc is actually a good thing. Especially in the light of world events. It just shows that you can't read the Bible alone in a bubble nor simply listen to one person or chain yourself to only one interpretation. Otherwise your beliefs and perceptions may at some point be shaken up...which I suppose is part of the fun...
You can already see the old structures breaking down and everyone deciding what resonates with them. The more ideas we discuss and the more doctrines we compare, the more you realize that we are all one and children of God and eventually, even the doctrines we love to debate won't matter. The only reason we're here on this Earth is to extend love to each other.
Basic dispensatinalism recognizes that both Jew and Gentile WHO ACCEPT CHRIST are one body, not two separate groups. There is no separation at all between them, they are all one group and all God's people.
But that is the very reason people will reject it, they think we are saying the complete opposite of that. No, that is not what is being said at all.
When we talk about the differences between the Church and Israel and God's fulfillment of his promises to Israel in prophecy we are not talking about events that happen in the church age. We are talking about events that happen AFTER the church age ends and in the Kingdom age (millennial reign).
None of this applies to people (Jew or Gentile) in Christ living in the church age. We are one body in Christ and that is our ETERNAL state in New Jerusalem in Heaven. This applies to people not yet born who will be living in the Millennial Kingdom on earth following the return of Christ.
The church age is not the eternal state, it has a very definitive end point in the Bible. And many events follow it according to scripture. The latter half of Revelation is one obvious example but there are countless entire chapters on this in the Old Testament.
Its also a misunderstanding about the support for modern Israel. It has nothing to do with being critical or not being critical of modern Israel. Modern Israel is not saved, they have rejected Christ and rejected God and are in fact extremely wicked in His eyes. They cannot save themselves by rebuilding a temple and getting back to sacrifices under the OT law (through the NT clearly says they will try in the tribulation). Their one and only path to redemption is through Jesus Christ alone.
But scripture says that God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse them, and though they are enemies of the Gospel they are still beloved for the Fathers sake.
Maybe that will begin to help clarify some of this. Its ALWAYS the same basic misunderstandings that divide some people on this. When people begin to understand what is being said on this and then go back to fact check it in scripture, they tend to get in line with it very quickly because its undeniable in scripture. To deny it means you have to basically tear entire sections out of your bible and flush then down the drain because they are meaningless and massively contradictory. This perfectly clarifies and brings to life all those sections of the Bible people tend to avoid at all costs and never open and read.
@@Orange6921 I do understand about the ages...in just about every culture there are cosmic and planetary cycles of time that help mark the present age and foreshadow events to come.
Right now the earth is experiencing an intense period of solar flares that are bringing more light to the planet as well as taking us through an area of the universe that we've never been to before...exposing us to cosmic radiation and as a result elevating our consciousness with all of the physical and spiritual light flooding the planent.
These changes are helping to bring about the New Jerusalem spoken about in the Bible that represents the new world descending from Heaven or in other words coming from the heart. Some also call it the Fifth dimension or the age of Christ where we recognize that there is no separation between the Father and his Sonship or creation. We are all sovereign beings of light and one body in Christ.
In many ways The Eternal Age is already here as time is an illusion given to us for the purpose of learning how to use it constructively. That's why I don't feel it's necessary to get lost in all of the various doctrines because we should just focus on teaching and extending love where ever we go.
Are you born again?
@@ernestbailey6617 Dear friend, I consider Jesus or Jeshua to be my brother and my teacher. To be born again means to be awakened once again to the reality of who you really are as a begotten and beloved child of God and an eternal being of light. We tend to forget that when we come to the earth plane.
That sounds New Age not Christian because we known by history and forensics Jesus is God. He sacrificed Himself for the sins of the world. He is the Passover Lamb, which name is still visible in the flax linen burial shroud that was gifted Him. Living for Him means putting God in first place in your life. When we are born again, there is a drastic change in us, we forsake all to do His work.
Can you please explain what your biblical understanding to 1 Thessalonians 4 and 5? I’m a pre trib believer but I’m also wanting to be very teachable. 1 Thessalonians 4 and 5 do not align according to your teaching against a pre trib from what I understand.. It’s hard for me to understand these verses any other way than a pre trib theology. Especially seeing how things are progressing in this world, and seeing it all from a biblical world view, and advancing at such an increased pace, as scripture teaches in regards to birth pangs.
Joel believes the day of the lord is a period of time, rather than a singular day, which is what pre trib agrees with.
1 thess 4 and 5 are connected to each other rather than separate. 1 thess 4 is concerning their fears that the dead would not rise again. He comforts them by saying that the dead would I deed rise again and that we should believe this due to our belief that Jesus rose again as well.
Chapter 5 is a continuation of this discussion, and starts off with, depending on translation it essentially says "but moreover" or "but about" which means the topic continues from previous as he is directly referencing backwards to it. He says "but about those times and seasons" now what times and periods is this about? The times and periods of when this day would come when we would be taken up! He says they know about these times and periods in what they would be like when the day comes, as opposed to them not knowing something else. What is the something else that they did not know? What he was just assuring them in chapter 4, that the dead would riseagain one day just like jesus did! This is most probably due to them having heard jesus' prophecy of the Olivet discourse which specifically discusses the gathering of the elect at his coming. This would make sense as to why they were afraid of not seeing the dead again, as they only believed the alive would be rewarded with jesus. To reiterate, this is why paul states in verse 14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus"
To continue, in chapter 5 after reminding them they already know about the times that would come with the day of the lord, he begins his speech about the thief in the night. He says wheb they shout peace and safety, sudden destruction will come upon THEM the unbelievers.
Now, pre trib will say this means it couldn't possibly be during or after the 7 years when it happens because there would already be so much destruction. Of course, this line of thought would only make sense then if the rapture occurred during a moment of total complete peace, so if pre trib took this consistently they would have to claim the rapture could not even happen right now because there are hundreds of wars around the world. A simple explanation would be that there is a moment of calm during the 7 years in the 2nd half.This would explain why the 2nd seals war seems to end in the 4th seal. The war ends before the martyrdom of the 5th seal even begins! Then in the 6th seal you will notice the following;
"and they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the sight of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"
Do you see that they were only now hiding in the mountains? They know that what is now IMMINENT is a far far greater destruction than even the first 4seals could muster. This would match up with the moment of peace declared when it occurs.
Notice the last part of that passage? "Wrath of the lamb" "day of their wrath has come" The day of wrath has not even begun at this moment! this is the impending sudden destruction about to begin. This is what joel and pre wrath believes. You will notice that the signs of the 6th seal also match up with the signs of matthew 24: 29-31. Now, pre trib says oh this is after the tribulation. but one problem. The bible NEVER says the tribulation and 7 years are the same thing and as long. the "tribulation"only begins at the abomination and it never says it ends at the end of the 7 years.
Jesus says in matthew 24 : 22
"but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short"
He Does not cut them short for everyone. ONLY the elect. Therefore he comes early, at the end of the tribulationn which is the period of time from the mid point to before the end of the 2nd half when the believers are persecuted. Who are the elect? The believers. Anybody who truly believes. 2timothy 2:10, romans 8:33
Now look at the thief in the night parable again. Where are the people who become believers after the day comes? Nowhere? Look at noahs ark parable in matthew 24. He entered the ark and they did not know until it took them ALL away. They all got destroyed. Anyone saved? Look at the good and evil slave. The master came and.the evil slave was cut in two..anyone saved? "Gnashing of teeth" this is from the bowls judgement.
Now to conclude. Compare 1 thess 5 to Revelation 16: 15
("Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and people will not see his shame.”)
Does this sound like the thief in the night is at the beginning, or towards the end? Pre trib essentially has to ignore this verse and basically treat it like an Easter egg add on to a movie that does nothing but amuse the audience. Pre trib has to explain why nobody seems to be saved after he comes for believers in any parables.
Now, if you managed to read all the above, thank you. This is but a piece of the evidence. Above all, it does not matter as long as you truly believe. now, how do you know you really believe? Do you dedicate yourself to God? And if you do is it out of love or like a point system? Do you treat people right, whether it be face to face, online or behind their backs? Do you try to help people with advice, acts of charity, spread the gospel? If so, is it because you have a genuine desire to do so or because you feel guilty about something? do you preach to strangers or only to people you care about?
Faith produces works. Not because you "have" to but because you would want to. Test yourself so you are not like the seed on rocks that had no foundation and despite receiving the gospel with joy, withered away when troubling times came. Hope this helped.
The globalists at the "World Economic Forum" have said by 2030 you will own nothing, and you will be "happy". Meanwhile many in the modern Church claim we do not need to be concerned about global government. The truth is found below.
What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine?
Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
(The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Watch the RUclips video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.
One very popular pastor describes 1 Thess as the pretrib rapture and 2 Thess as the second coming of Jesus Christ. Read Thess 1 and 2 in context, and you will see this pastor is wrong. Paul is speaking about the one and same event. Nowhere does he say anything about a pretrib rapture. I was taught pretrib until I started studying in depth and after listening to this pretrib pastor actually convinced me against a pretrib rapture.
@@handles617 At least the man has "the Lord's Day" right, it is not Sunday. Jesus coming as a theif in the night is in regard to The King coming to sit on the throne of David. The Jews are promised a kingdom where in lays health, wealth and eternal life. Christian are promised eternal life because we are crucified wht Christ and when He rose from the grave we did also. All of out sins blotted out but not the Jews their sins are blotted out when the new covenant begins.
The man of sin comes, receives a deadly head wound and appears to resurrect and the whole world follows the beast, worships his image and the number of his name. He causes all to take his mark. Rev 13.3
Christians will be slaughtered by anti-Christ and all who do not take the mark, which will not be many according to the above. Rev 12.11, 20.4. Those who endure and overcome receive a crown of life and a new name given Him by the Hand of God. (Matthew 24.13, James 1.12, Rev 3.5, Rev 2.17)
The gathering in the air with the Messiah before Wrath comes at the 7th and last trumpet blast.
Thank you for giving the perspective and insight into the influence of Greek philosophy on the Gentile Church leaders when Constantine turned the Roman Christians against the Jewish believers and the Jews as a people.
What a terrible blot on church history! I hope the current generation of Gentile believers have each individually repented for the sins of the church during 350AD to approximately 1900AD.
A dispensation of blindness for sure.
I love the way Joel provides direct in-context quotes. I do hope he will reach out to me before the Maranatha conference. I have created time lines and maps that he would find helpful in presenting what he is teaching. I am not post-trib. but mid-week. My views match up closely with what Joel has presented, but my mid-week timeline is not a common understanding, nor can I find it presented anywhere. Amazing since it is totally biblical! It is in my book "God Has Made Known the Rapture and Two Witnesses." I would be happy to discuss it at the conference, but it would be preferable to discuss it earlier, at least some key elements.
What few seemes to understand is why there is a tribulation at all. Understanding that rightly sweepes away both pre and midtrib. An other thing that is not spoken of is the 70th week of Daniel which has sadly misleading even many posttribber. Its one mans teaching- to save tha pretrib teaching. Daniel 9 is all about Jesus first coming including 70AD. Anyone who believes this teaching gets a viel over his eyes so he can not find the real key to the second coming which also is in Daniel but in another chapter. Understanding that gives also the time 3 and a half year and sweepes away the 7 year period theory.
You should follow God not people
@@thomasgrans3303 Satan agrees with you
@@thomasgrans3303 The rapture of the saints is taught by Paul and the rapture of the Two Witnesses is taught by John. Jesus teaches about one being taken and one being left in Matthew 24. These can all be referring to the same rapture. A midweek timing allows for tribulation both before and after the rapture. The great tribulation and day of the Lord coming after the rapture. This view also matches with the observation that saints will face the beast and the beast will declare war on them. The midweek position is closely associated with the mid tribulation view, but there are significant differences concerning God’s wrath. The midweek view has the 7 trumpet judgements in the last 3 1/2 years. It should not be lumped in with the pretribulation view because the saints do face the beast, but it should not be put with the postrib view because the rapture is pre wrath and pre Great trib. It is not sharing a midtribulation view where the church is raptured at the seventh trumpet, and it does not share a prewrath view where the church goes into part of the great tribulation and is taken out sometime in the middle of the last 3 1/2 years. This is a different position than what is taught by 99.9 percent of end time scholars and yet it is derived solely by study of Bible scriptures.
@@evanbirkby4501 One taken and one left. As it was in the days of Noah One will be taken and one be left. In the days of Noah the ones who was taken was under Gods wrath and died in the flood. Noah was left in the ark. There is more examples on that in the bible. When Jesus comes, he comes with the wrath over Ac and all the people who has taken the mark. We will be lifted up in the visible sky but still be in the realm of the earth. The ones who is taken will be dead and we will be left. When the wrath is over the tribulation is over and we will still be here with Jesus and escort him in to the city where the millenium kingdom will be set up by the king himself.
The rapture is Gods solution to get us away from the wrath ,which is his judgement, to closest safe place which is in the sky. This is how God works in his judgements. there is 3 examples on that. Noah. Loth and the wrath over Pharao in the red sea. God saves his people only the moment before he pours out his wrath to closest safe place. Its not a speculation its just to read in the bible.
Do you have any sources to back up your claims on the church history?
There are tons of church historical church writings. Start reading and you will have your proof.
@@christincommon5496 start reading what? If there are "tons" of writings, where do I start? You don't have sources do you?
@@dlove9034 you are making a
the mistake of accusing without evidence (answering a matter before hearing). Nonetheless, I will share that the most recent one I have read is Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History. I have also read Irenaeus’s Five books “against heresies”. There are many writings by many authors. I also have the entire collection of apostolic fathers’s commentary on the entire Bible as well as the apocrypha and the the full volume set of the Ante-Nicene Fathers (writings up to 300 AD.)If you truly care to learn, look into it and start reading. That should keep you busy for a few years.
Also, every person has Google and the ability to research for themselves. There really is no reason to ask a teacher you already don’t believe where he got his info. Research yourself.
@@christincommon5496 suppose I'm postmil or ammil. There's no reason to make a video full of claims against those positions without providing sources. The burden of proof was on him since he made those claims. I can Google all sorts of information supporting different views.
@christincommon5496 Thanks for the references, btw
Helpful indeed thanks. Hyper-Dispensationalism was a red flag to me years ago. It teaches, among other things, No repentance from sin necessary in this "Age of Grace" we just accept in our minds the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and not rely on our "works". 2 Corinthians 7:10 for that error. They also say Jesus and Peter had a different Gospel than Paul, 2 Gospels, for the Jews needed to turn from sin to Him, we just "believe." Galatians 2 corrects that confusing theology. Anyway keep on learning and being teachable everyone. God Bless.
This comment is helpful for me because I am constantly coming across beliefs I have not heard of that do not line up with scripture. Must be the hyper-grace movement described here.
Yes, I have run across so many people who claim that the writings of Paul and only Paul are “to the church” and the rest are “to the Jews.” I always point out that we are one in Christ Jesus, and that all of Scripture is useful for us.
Also, think about how that thinking must toss out all the words of Jesus because they ignore the gospels (thinking they are for the Jews only). So sad. God help us.
Hope you all find the true gospel .. read your Bible Jesus gave Paul the gospel to preach ... if you study the bible then you will find that there is more than one gospel in the Bible and only by dispensation you will realized it. What gospel is preached in the millennium?
@@ernestbailey6617 Galatians 2:14-16 "But when I(Paul) saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel, I said unto Peter(Paul's fellow laborer in the Gospel) before them all.... why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews(and visa versa).....We have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the Faith of Christ and not by the works of the Law." "Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness." Jesus saves.
@@ernestbailey6617 Jesus preached the Kingdom of God and that is what Paul preached and that is what the Apostles preached. Reconciliation to Father God. That is the good news.
I say you have done an excellent job with this video. i do not agree with your non-pre-trib position but you are right on about church history here; scripture is not always about the Church but is for our knowledge.
Dispensationalism is true it doesn’t need to die.
it favors Esau who is anti-Christ and blots out the apple of God´s eye Jacob-Israel.
I was just starting to listen to a David Pawson teaching on this. I have been wondering about this issue as it keeps coming up everywhere recently. It all seems so mixed up with replacement theology and other doctrines that are not biblical. Eagerly waiting. Thank you!
I do also believe David Pawson has a preterist view if I’m right? (Of which I don’t)
I thought he was an historical premillennialist.
@@joyshipley706 Pawson was not a preterist at all. He was historic premill.
@@bettylorenz971 Yes, he is a historical premillenialist.
@@joyshipley706 As Joel pointed out, David Pawson is a historical premillennialist. He also believed (He went to be with the LORD in 2020, I guess) in post-tribulational rapture (harpazo). Great man of God.
I’d like to ask a question: Do you hold the belief that “THE PROPHETIC CLOCK STOPPED?”
According to this popular view, God’s clock ran flawlessly for 69 weeks (483 years). Then suddenly the clock stopped and has not ticked once since.
That's what scripture indicates. The last week of 70, which is 490 yrs, stopped at 483. Which leaves 7 yrs or 1 week of days left to be fulfilled in Revelation
I think Daniel’s prophetic clock stopped concerning the 70 weeks. But God’s prophetic clock as a whole has not stopped.
The entire 70 weeks ran flawlessly.....it makes a mockery of the scriptures to detach the 70th week and throw it 2000 years into the future. Good grief.
In these last days, a Christ-centred church is being replaced by a Judeo-centric church as the direct result of the novel dispensational teachings. ✔️
What I find interesting is when I present this and other teachings and expel my views on Dispensationalism (which I’ve always said you can drive a bus through) to friends they react quite hostile. This is the same as I see online. They leap hot headed into refuting it as blasphemy and pull some random dude out of thin air as proof of it and they won’t listen to nor read anything. I’ve taken time to look at all views. Some I agree with some I don’t. None of which offend me so I am genuinely quite astonished at the defending proponents of Dispensationalism and how they all generally react.
Same here. Dispensationalists are pure emotions and hot-air in my experience when challenged. Quickest group to respond with all-caps or "I READ MY BIBLE" etc. It's borderline demonic how they switch in a split second.
I've been joining different online geoups of discord servers and telegrams and just about any christian sect or group is more reasonable and used to being challenged or having some experience with apologetics than dispensationalists which only makes sense.
What did history say about pre-tribulationalism?
Irenaeus (AD 130 - 202)
“Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons “as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance - in fact, as nothing;”(1) so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”(2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.”
- Against Heresies, Book 5, 5. 29
Cyprian (AD 200-258)
“We who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. Do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home, which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”
- Treatises of Cyprian
Victorinus (AD 240-303)
"And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up." For the heaven to be rolled away, that is, that the Church shall be taken away. "And every mountain and the islands removed from their places intimate that in the last persecution all men departed from their places; that is, that the good will be removed, seeking to avoid persecution.”
- Commentary on the Apocalypse
Thomas Vincent (1634-1678)
“the righteous ... suddenly caught up together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; which sight will be fearful and amazing to them, when they perceive themselves to be left behind. ... O the fear and trouble which will be upon the spirits of those unbelieving Christ-less, grace-less sinners ... some of them linked in the nearest relations to them, when their believing relations shall be caught away from them, and carried up into the air, with the rest of the glorious train of Saints, when themselves shall remain below upon the earth ... Friends will be together at that day as at other times, not expecting Christ’s coming ... Suppose that the heavens should just now open and you should hear the sound of the last Trumpet, and Jesus Christ should descend. ... all you that are impenitent and unbelievers, would be left behind: and think what terror would fall upon you...
- Christ’s Certain and sudden Appearance to Judgment (London,1667), 53-54.
Joseph Mede (1586-1639)
“After this, our gathering together unto Christ at His coming...The saints being translated into the air ... and they may be preserved during the conflagration of the earth, and the works thereof: 2 Pet. 3.10. that as Noah and his family were preserved from the deluge by being lifted up above the waters in the ark, so should the saints at the conflagration be lifted up in the clouds, unto their ark, Christ, to be preserved there from the deluge of fire, wherein the wicked shall be consumed.”
- Mede, Works, III, 611 [cited in H. Orton Wiley; Christian Theology)
Jeremiah Burroughs (1600-1646)
“The first thing that shall be done in this great day of Jezreel, shall be the deliverance of the Churches from wofull affliction which they shall be found to be in a little before, For so the Scripture tells us, Dan.12.1. that before this day there shall be a time of trouble such as never was...and at that time thy people shall be delivered...it is therefore called a great day, because of Gods appearing so gloriously in the deliverance of his Church at that day. ... It is a going up, it is a rising... search into these truths of God, that so they may be the better prepared to meet Christ their Bride-groom when he commeth.”
- An Exposition of The Prophesie of Hosea (London, 1643), 187, 195.
Nathaniel Homes (1599-1678)
“all mankind shall rise in their order, Christ the first fruits...afterwards, they that are Christs at his coming...notes a distance of time of above a thousand and a halfe of yeers...the rapture of the Saints into the clouds, to be their present translation into heaven...this our gathering together unto Christ at his coming (so the Apostle calls this rapture, 2 Thess.2.1.) wee shall from henceforth never lose his presence, but always enjoy it, partly on earth, during his reign of the thousand yeers, and partly in heaven, when wee shall be translated thither. [Why] this rapture of the Saints on high to meet the Lord in the clouds, rather then to wait his coming to the earth. What if it bee, that they may be preserved during the conflagration of the earth, and the works thereof, 2 Pet.3.10. That as Noah, and his family were preserved from the deluge, by being lift up above the waters in the Ark, so should the Saints at the conflagration bee lift up in the clouds unto their Ark, Christ, to be preserved there from the Deluge of fire, wherein the wicked shall be consumed?”
- The Resurrection Revealed (London,1653), 492,494.
William Aspinwall (1605-1662)
“If God by some voice from heaven, I mean out of his Churches, say Come up hither, Rev.11.12,13. Follow his call, and fear not enemies; though you see them, & they see you ascend up to heaven, you shall be safe. Some commotion or earthquake will ensue, but no detriment to you that obey the voice from heaven, The detriment will be to the enemies themselves...”
- A Brief Description of the Fifth Monarchy, or Kingdome, That shortly is to come (London, 1653), 9-10.
John Browne (1582-1659)
“the hundred forty and four thousand, who are called Virgins, cannot be said to be the Virgins that attend the Spouse, the Lamb’s Wife, seeing that they are upon the Earth after the said Spouse is taken up. ...then will follow the calling of the two Tribes of Judah and Benjamin to Jerusalem...and then the City is built, which bringing back of the ten Tribes will not be completed till after the Saints are taken up, when as before that time both Jerusalem and the Temple will be built, and Sacrifice offered...”
- Events of Last Times (London,1654), 7, 12-13
William Hook (1600-1677)
“There are several Resurrections mentioned in the Scriptures. But great troubles will follow this Resurrection [pre-Trib rapture] after a short time...which will shake the power of the Beast...till it come to Armageddon... The Beast lives in Hell upon Earth [tribulation], the Saints in Heaven...when they ascended up to Heaven in a cloud, their Enemies beheld them. They rise up from Antichrist and his Pollutions, and all his earthly and hellish waies...and at last, they shall come with Christ to judge the world. ...
“Until then they are protected, somewhat like as when the Egyptians pursued the Israelites into the Red Sea...”
- Short Discourse of the Nature and Extent of the Gospel-Day (London,1673) 13, 18, 20-23.
Oliver Heywood (1630-1702)
“the Souls of the glorified Saints shall descend and be united to their own Bodies, and then ascend to meet the Lord in the Air, and the wicked are left behind on their dunghill the earth...the dead shall rise, before the living are rapt up... These congregated Saints shall be admitted into one place, and state of Glory: They are before the throne of God...there is room enough in heaven for all the saints, In my Father’s house, saith Christ, are many mansions.”
- The General Assembly: or, a Discourse of the Gathering of all Saints to Christ (London,1700), 15-16,19-20.
Increase Mather (1639-1723)
“The Living Saints at Christ’s coming shall be caught up into the Air, that they may escape that Deluge of Fire which will be the Perdition of ungodly Men. ... But before this Rapture of the living, the dead Saints shall be raised. ... They, as to their Bodies, shall not be with Christ before the Bodies of Saints asleep in the Grave shall be with him ... As when the Flood came, there was a Difference make between Noah’s family and the rest of Mankind: Thus when the World shall perish by Fire, no Saint shall be hurt by that Fire, but Sinners shall. ...we may not determine how long the Conflagration shall last. Noah’s Flood continued for many Days and Months, he was a whole Year in the Ark. The Weapons of Ezekiel’s Gog are Seven Years in burning, Ezek. 39.9.”
- Dissertation Concerning the Future Conversion of the Jewish Nation (1709), 15.
Yeah those quotes are well out of context. And some of those, by Lee brainard, even have their quotes changed. Lee brainard is a liar.
FYI, Joseph mede was discussing what would happen if the word air was switched with heaven as he says the meaning would change and thus the timing. That's when he then makes that out of context statement.
Victorinus literally quotes the 6th seal as his timing for the rapture..do you even bother to verify your nonsensical copy and pastes??
@@handles617 When you cannot disprove the message, attack the messenger.
@@John3.36 "when you cannot disprove the messenger"
Funnily enough, I never attacked you and only the message.
And yet I just disproved 2 of them. Ive already seen this article and explained how all of them were out of context purposefully. And you wouldn't post this if you actually verified the content, so my point stands.
@@handles617 You have not disproven anything, only made a statement to the contrary. That is your opinion.
@@John3.36 "you have not disproven anything"
Because you obviously never checked to see if your copy and paste was even correct to begin with and obviously refuse to even attempt to do it.
" You presented your opinion"
Nope, just repeating what Joseph mede and victorinus themselves said. You obviously don't care about the truth or else you would take the less than ONE MINUTE to verify each individual quote.
I suggest growing up and not acting like a child. Stop lying to people with unverified content.
2 Timoteju 2 :15 KJV
I am open to hearing this view out even though the majority of who I subscribe to are pre-trib brothers and sisters in The Lord. There is a post-mill view that I do not understand and realizing this takes some time to be able to explain all eschatological views.
For me- reading Matthew 24 carefully was a simple way to understand the end of history. HE never mentions any type of rapture until the end of the great tribulation when the ressurection and rapture occur simultaneously. I simply look at all other attempts at re timing the rapture as foolishness. Christ pin points the rapture timing without any doubt in Matthew 24. All the references in the new testament epistles mention the resurection ALSO being at the same instant as the rapture as Christ explains in Matthew 24 so simply. The fact that this has been the churches position until the 1800s when Darby- Scofield changed it, makes this topic self explanatory.
Dispensationalism is the biggest deception of our time
"jews" are the chosen people started all of the deceptions, which goes hand in hand with the Messiah is "the lion of the tribe of Judah" when He in fact is of Joseph/Ephraim.
Tho many believe now in pretrib I pray they come to discern the truth.as shown in this message very clearly..Faiwith Dalton Thomas and Joel Richardsonalso teachs truth and also Zion’s Hope with David Rosenthal!!!
Also, in Daniel he is told to “seal up the prophecy, because it’s not for this time but for the time of the end” it’s this principle that allows for the idea that there are certain Biblical interpretations we wouldn’t fully understand until right before the end.
Correct, in contrast to Daniel, John is told to not seal up the Revelation because the things that were to occur were to happen soon because the time was near. I believe that to be the end of the Old Covenant system, completely closed in AD 70.
When you use the phrase must die in your title and some how think your Christ like. Interesting 🤔
What is your point? He is referring to a doctrine. It's no different than Mormons and jehovahs witnesses, which most would agree are heresies.
@@handles617the truth will be known soon. This man is a lier plain and simple.
@@Gad1768 how is he a liar
@@handles617keep following what ever this is and you will be the first to find out.
@@Gad1768 considering that this isn't an issue of salvation, that's a rather interesting comment to make
If it was "clear" you are right, there would be no debate, sir.
There is not a single place left on earth that hadn’t been told about Christ. That’s been true for decades.
There are many in hard core muslim countries that haven't heard - FAI discusses this on another of their videos. North Korea also has some who haven't heard.
@@kenklein9228 not true. Every inch has been covered. For many years now. And by the way the Muslims know and believe in Jesus. And all of them are taught Christianity. They all have heard of him
@@Nomad58 You're broad brushing when you insist that all muslims have been taught about Jesus. Yes, the vast majority of them know about Jesus, but often they hear lies, not the gospel. Simply knowing that a person named Jesus is worshiped because he was killed isn't the gospel.
For confirmation of this, google Joshua Project.
@@kenklein9228 google a web site. Lol. Come on man. Everyone has heard by now. It’s not the 1800’s
@@Nomad58 Double LOL! Look at the facts man.
Why worry about who's wrong or right ?
What matters is, ARE YOU GOING TO HEAVEN ?
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:24-28, Rom 4:5 is the how for you & I now :)
You can´t go to heaven unless you know the truth. Which is not often found on boob tube.
That was some low hanging fruit on a pseudo scholars. Try dr. Arnold Frutchbaum, Charles Missler, J Vernon Magee.
J Vernon Magee got me thru a lot of long jobs working in the oilfield. Love his Radio Ministry.
Whether you believe pre/mid/post trib....this will not keep one from going to heaven....John 3 :16....regardless, be ready to meet Jesus Christ, the Son of God at anytime....BE READY. HE IS COMING AND SOONER THAN WE THINK....BE READY. REPENT...
How does a Christian "get ready"?
This was so helpful! I was raised in a strict, traditional Catholic home;parochial school, etc. What you said about the things I was taught are so accurate. We were taught that we, as Catholics, had the responsibility to convert the entire world, because we were living in the Millennium, and that Jesus will not return until we have successfully converted the whole world. And, once we have accomplished that, Jesus will return and bless the Roman Catholic church as His official church...or something like that. All of that was very vague. And, what we now call Revelation was called Apocalypse, and , like the rest of the Bible, we were not permitted to read it...only more so. Things changed a little after the Council, but it was still very confusing.
Great! Now skewer covenant theology.......I'm not convinced about either position.
Covenant theology is Biblical theology...
Great teaching. I finally understand why my current pastor is a pretribulational rapture dispensationalist.
Same here, and we get on peacefully but we are aware we do not all agree on all things. We live in a small town and go to a Calvary Chapel
I had no idea that any Christians thought the four gospels were only for Jews! What a strange doctrine! I always wondered how some Christians could believe in pretrib rapture when the gospels are so clear it is post trib.
I had no idea the gospels were for the Jews. But then someone pointed out to me that Matthew begins by tracing the Jewish lineage from Abraham to Jesus. Apparently that particular gospel was written to try in include the Jews.
@@seanc2788
Not to be offense, but you thought that Biblical "Christianity" was created by the "Christians?"
Jesus, the apostles, Paul, Mary, Mark, Barnabus, nearly all of the followers were Jews.
Jesus came to the Jews as the Jewish Messiah.
After the leadership rejected Him, the Gospel was spread to anyone who believed. 🙏
@@eswn1816 Most Roman Catholics believe that the Bible was created by Constantine and the Pope. Until you start to study and dig into the word for yourself, you have no idea the background of the entire narrative. Then you start to trace all the quotations from Jesus and his disciples back to the old testament and you see the connections.
This is why God originally wanted the Jewish people to accept the Messiah and carry the message to all the world. They were supposed to connect the old and new testament for us. But because they did not, it fell into the wrong hands and for thousands of years, people have believed a doctrine that has been scrubbed of most Judaism (except for the part that the original founders were all Jews). But it has become so westernized that much of the original significance has been stripped away. We need the Jewish people to pick up the gospel message and rightly divide the word for us so that we can plainly see which parts are specifically teaching for them, and which parts apply to all of us. There is a thread of scripture in the new testament that carries on the old testament and its message for the coming Messiah to the nation of Israel.
@@eswn1816That's not entirely true either. The Hebrews/Israelites/Jews were to be a nation of priests. They were
meant to eventually spread the knowledge of the Living G-D to all the nation's. They failed YHWH. But yes, he came to the Jews first which was proper because they were his chosen people. Yeshua and the Apostles didn't just decide to move on to others that might listen. That's just wrong. Yeshua came to save the entire population of the world if possible.
@@luciparadise6781
ALL have failed God!
It's all part of the plan.
God has no "plan B."
Romans 11:11 KJV - I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
God's order:
Romans 2:10 KJV - But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Romans 11:25 KJV - For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
This verse alone contradicts your point. They turned from the Jews to the Gentiles!
Acts 13:46 KJV - Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
There isn’t one place left on this planet that hasn’t heard.
if ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Ephesians 3:2 KJV
whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Colossians 1:25 KJV
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
1 Corinthians 9:17 KJV
You have never studied the Bible properly ... you are doing false teaching and you are misleading people that for sure never studied the Bible.
Hope and pray that you will meet the true Jesus of the Bible.
to dispense the Gospel. Not more, not less.
read the bible, God's dealing with man has evolved and changed many times.
As an Armenian Congregational (Puritan) Jewish Minister, I find this discussion fascinating. I like your phrase "Jewish Premillenialism." Good stuff.
A Millennium Puzzle to solve… Will Christ be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents 500 years after His Second Coming?
The “first resurrection” in Rev. chapter 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation, because the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead in chapter 11. There are two different types of resurrection in John chapter 5. There is a spiritual resurrection from the dead in John 5:24, and a bodily resurrection from the dead in John 5:28-29.
Does your view of the Millennium agree with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing? The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage? There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19.
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Does your view agree with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time? Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time.
Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth.
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Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
Jewish Apocalypticism is a term generally used in and by the academy.
Shalom happy 4th July
The real confusion among believers is the arbitrary division between Old Testament and New Testament in our Bibles. Malachi was not the last book in the "O.T.", neither is Matthew the first book in the "N.T." Jesus lived His entire life under the Old Testament (Covenant). "For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed." {Rom. 15:8} Therefore, Matthew - Acts is the record of God's calling the nation of Israel to repentance through His only Son. Only after their refusal to repent did God turn to the Gentiles through Paul's gospel of grace.
If all scripture is for our obedience today, and we need to obey Jesus' words that He spoke while on earth (red letters), then Paul's message to us in The Body is null and void. Consider some of Jesus' words to His disciples vs. Paul's words to his followers:
Jesus - "These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, a drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give." {Matt. 10:6-8}
“A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.” Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” {Matt 15:22-24}
Paul - "I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them." {Rom. 11:13,14}
“I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles.” {Gal.2:2}
Jesus - “A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’ ” “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” {Luke 18:18-22}
Paul - “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.” {Rom.3:28}
The earthly Jesus was sent ONLY to the nation of Israel because they were under contract with God (Old Covenant). The Gentiles had long ago abandoned their worship of Jehovah, following after the demons through idol worship. Jesus came to call the chosen nation to repentance from their breach of the Contract with God. Jesus’ message was directed to Jews ONLY. He scattered crumbs to a few “dogs”(Gentiles) only after their recognizing their inferiority to Israel and approaching our Lord as such.
But Israel stubbornly rejected The Son of God and His Kingdom message. Israel was given a 40 year reprieve from imminent judgment after Jesus prayed from The Cross for their forgiveness. Prophecy spoke of Gentile blessing, but ONLY through the restoration of Israel. Gentiles would only be able to approach The King (Jesus) by the mediatorial Jew, as Israel was to be a kingdom of priests through whom the Gentile nations could gain access to God.
After the nation refused the apostle’s message of repentance during the Acts period, judgment fell on the apostate nation in the form of the Roman army, where Jerusalem was destroyed and with it the temple. Once their means of worship and sacrifice was removed, they were officially set aside as the favored nation to open the way for Paul’s Gospel to be implemented. This message removed all distinctions between humans. By faith alone anyone can approach God. In Christ, “there is neither Jew nor Gentile, bond or free, male nor female”, all are one in our Savior.
The real danger, is to disregard the distinctions that God has clearly made in His Word. The gospels (Matt. - Acts) are intended as a record of the failure of the Jewish nation to repent of their apostacy and the consequences that followed. The books of (Romans - Philemon) contain Paul’s gospel that he received from the exalted Jesus in glory, not the earthly Jesus. The theme here is justification for all men by God’s grace through faith, apart from the works of The Law of Israel. The books of (Hebrews - Revelation) are given as future instructions for regathered Israel during their testing, mainly during the tribulation of 7 years. This is evident simply by reading the introduction by the writers to their recipients.
The writer of Hebrews writes to.... Hebrews. James writes to "the twelve tribes scattered abroad". Peter writes to the Jewish diaspora scattered in Asia. John writes the book of Revelation to 7 Jewish assemblies in Asia (Israel out of the land). The constant references to Israel is overwhelming! “Repent, or I will come to you and remove your lampstand", "The blasphemy of those that say they are Jews, but are not", "They are of the synagogue of Satan", "You shall have tribulation ten days", "You have those that hold to the doctrine of Balaam" , "Cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel", "To eat food sacrificed to idols", "You tolerate that woman Jezebel", " Those that commit adultery…into great tribulation", "I will kill (Jezebel’s) children with death", "Repent, If you do not watch, I will come on you like a thief", "I am he who holds the key of David". etc.
To try to make all of the Greek scriptures apply to us today, is to immerse oneself in hopeless confusion. Mixing The Law which the lowly, earthly Jesus lived under and taught His disciples, with Paul's Gospel of Grace, which he received from the exalted Lord in heaven is to nullify Grace. This is what the Galatian churches were guilty of and why Paul so vehemently denounced them!
None of the verses you quoted were contradictions of each other by being applied to everyone. That's what happens when you prefer to read through the lens of OSAS rather than your own 2 eyes.
As for matthew 15, I find it interesting that you stopped your quote about Samaritans right before he healed a Samaritan and called the mother of faith. If he was not there for gentiles, he would not have done so.
It may surprise you that all of the apostles ended up spreading the gospel to the gentiles (not just Paul, although he may have been the first one primarily).
Also, the church in Corinth was a combination of Jews and gentiles, as were other churches that he founded. So those letters were to both Jews and gentiles. Using your logic, all of Paul’s letters would be tossed because he continued preaching to Jews and gentiles, and teaching both for years and years, as they are both one in Christ Jesus.
Tossing out the gospels is very clearly error. You claim a Savior whose words you don’t read or follow? Grave error.
Either toss out the whole New Testament or study all of it and let it transform you, is the advice that I follow.
@@christincommon5496 Paul indeed taught Jews & Gentiles that were made one in Christ, but what gospel did he teach? He called it "my gospel", it was not the gospel that Jesus taught on earth. Jesus taught the gospel of the promised Kingdom to Israel ONLY.
When the rich ruler asked Jesus: “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus promptly pointed him to the requirements of The Law. After the ruler assured Jesus that he had kept all the commandments, Jesus answered: “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." {Luke 18:18-22} Would you proclaim this message to someone today if they asked you the same question? I would hope not!
God's revelation of truth is progressive. The glorified Jesus gave Paul a previously unrevealed message of salvation for Jew & Gentile APART from The Law. Under Law, Jesus proclaimed a gospel of salvation to jews ONLY, because they were under The Law Contract with God, the commandments were imperative to obey for Kingdom entrance. If we go to Jesus' words spoken to Israel while He was on earth, we will have the wrong message because He wasn't speaking to us, only apostate Israel. He even told his disciples to avoid Gentiles: "These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “DO NOT go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’' {Matt. 10:5-7}
Our Lord revealed a new message of Grace to Paul for all people today without regard for national distinction. We should proclaim that message today which is: "But NOW apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. {Rom. 3:21-24}
All scripture is FOR our learning, but not all is TO us for our obedience. Israel showed their faith in God by offering an animal sacrifice for their offences. This was required by God in that era. For us to do that very same thing today would be to deny the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice for our sins. Israel was God's special people in Jesus' day, and His message reflected that truth. Today, Israel has temporarily lost that status, and God is treating Jews like all the other nations, without distinction!
@@Truthseeker946 all of the apostles taught the same gospel to Jews and gentiles alike. This extremely clear when reading early church information and ecclesiastical documentation. The presentation was different because gentiles were not looking for a Messiah but Jews were. Both groups were convinced through Scripture that Jesus fulfilled prophecy. The testimony of Jesus IS the spirit of prophecy.
Even to this day, Jews are continually converted to Christianity using the very same gospel message that converts gentiles.
The Corinthian church was Jew and gentile. Same letter to both. Same instruction, same warnings, same encouragement.
All are saved by grace through faith.
Unfortunately you are victim of false doctrine. The best approach is to study the Scripture without denominational or other bias. Everything is clear.
@@christincommon5496 You refer to "the same gospel" being preached by Jesus and His 12 apostles as Paul. However, I pointed out what Jesus proclaimed to the rich ruler as based on Law and not Grace. What is your answer to this? Jesus could not preach the same gospel as Paul, because He had not yet suffered The Cross. Paul's gospel is concerned with our spiritual blessings as a result of Christ's sacrifice.
All the various denominations are the result of the failure to make distinctions between Law & Grace. Jesus lived His entire life under The Law, and fulfilled it perfectly. But to take our instructions from the 4 gospels is to deny the instructions from the exalted Jesus at The Father's right hand in glory to Paul. Paul was the ONLY apostle to receive instructions from Christ in glory. That is why Paul was chosen, to be the dispenser of The Mystery to The Body of Christ.
Paul said that we are no longer to consider Jesus after the flesh. "So that we, from now on, have known no one according to the flesh, and even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him [thus] no longer." {2 Cor. 5:16}
While in the flesh, Jesus ministered to Israel alone, and His words should always be kept in that context, otherwise we will "plug ourselves into" the wrong message.
"Incredibly convoluted cockamamie world view... Dispensationalism... "
Joel, that sums it up! 👍
Yes Satan agrees with you
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Care to make a real comment... A genuine response...? 🙏
(Actually, it's your accusational spirit that's Satanic...)
I am also mid tribulation because the wrath comes in the second half. And I believe we will be delivered from that. The church is supposed to be working to lead people to Jesus during the first 31/2 years. If we are gone, who will help them?
I went to a Nazarene university (I'm not Nazarene myself), but I've heard their description of Post-millennialism is very different. In stark contrast to conquering the world, they believe that they will influence the world through Christian virtue, in a sense "Christianizing the world" through discipleship and peace. I'm wondering where you got your information for Post-trib theology?
This is a pretty hypocritical presentation. It opens by deriding the notion that Dispensationalism existed in the early church on the basis that it is a 19th Century system - fair enough. But it thereafter presents Historic Premillennialism as the view of the early church without admitting that Historic Premillennialism is also a 19th Century system being used to retroactively describe the writings of some church fathers. That hypocrisy is hidden by maintaining the ambiguity that a viewer without prior knowledge of Historic Premillenialism might think that the terms 'historic' and 'premillenialism' are merely describing one aspect of the teaching of historic figures like Iraneus, rather than the system built in the last 200 years which those fathers may or may not be in wider agreement with had they a time machine to study it today. The deliberate use of that ambiguity is bordering on intentional misleading.
Thereafter, a straw man of a grab-bag of summaries of some claims made by some Dispensationalists is presented as cultic, all to eventually reveal that the only point being made - at 1:03:20 - is that the name 'dispensation' is not wanted because it has Darbyist baggage. Why is Historic Premillenialism allowed to develop with inspiration from Dispensationalism, but Dispensationalism has to remain in the 1800s without learning from the other systems it rubs shoulders with? Why is Dispensationalism defined by its most problematic adherents, but Historic Premillenialism defined by its intention to permit consistent Biblical understanding, as if that wasn't the aim of all honest theologians regardless of system proported?
Very dumb comment.
I disagree. You misrepresented amillennialism as being a theology coming from Greek philosophy when it comes from the Bible itself. There is no mention of a "literal earthly millennium reign" found anywhere in the New Testament. Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, and John never described such a thing. John never states it is a "literal earthly millennial reign" in Revelation 20. You would think that if Jesus would be literally reigning with His people for a 1000 years, at least some of the writers of the New Testament would write about it. Peter seems to give a another interpretation of millennial reign in the passage below as he describes this age and the age to come.
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [c]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance,10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. 2 Peter 3:8-13
As for replacement theology. The church is the fulfillment of the promise given to Abraham and it is actually called "fulfillment theology" as it faithfully follows God's provision and promise kept from the Old Testament to the New Testament. The true people of God/Israel are those who are "the children of the promise" which is comprised of both ethnic Jews and gentiles who have "the righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ." God is not a respecter of persons.
6But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
Romans 9:6-9
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
Galatians 4:28-31
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Romans 3:27-30
26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:26-29
I disagree with amillennialism, and I agree with the idea of a 1,000 year physical earthly reign of Yeshua on earth from Jerusalem, but I agree with you about fulfillment theology and I abhor the antagonistic term "replacement theology"
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Yet again, there is never a mention that the 1000 years reign is literal and physically on earth in fact most of the evidence in the New Testament would say it isn't a reign here on earth but rather a spiritual reign.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 I disagree and say everything you just said from the opposite point of view. We will just have to agree that neither of us can prove it 100% definitively in a way that silences all arguments permanently
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Well prove that it is literal from any of the apostles epistles aside from Revelation. I doubt you can do that. Again, the only time 1000 years is referenced outside of Revelation is in 2 Peter 3 and it is used to denote a possible long undetermined period of time before Jesus comes back and judges the world hence why Peter says there will be scoffers who will mock at how long it appears to be taking for the Lord to come back.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 Why would you state that to me when I just got through telling you that neither of us can prove it definitively? Did you even read my comment?
I did fell for the pre-trib rapture when i first became a follower of christ 6 months ago, but once you study the word for yourself you see un Christian it is, it's actually demonic giving poeple false hope. And think being raptured that there going to escape judgment.