Deconstructing Dispensationalism by Steve Gregg
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- Опубликовано: 9 окт 2023
- thenarrowpath.com | Piece-by-piece, Bible teacher Steve Gregg de-constructs Dispensationalism, a modern theological construct invented by John Nelson Darby in the early 1800's.
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I left dispensationalism a couple of years ago, when I hear pastors say..if your against Israel your against God, I cringe now that I know national Israel is not the focus.
This Brother is not afraid to tackle what's become anathema to Scofield Dispensationalist. Appreciate ;his work and kind spirit.
I've just discovered Steve Gregg. Appreciate his approach, his grace toward those he disagrees with, and his humility toward difficult topics. Interested in hearing more. Thank you, Mr. Gregg.
Move on! Steve Greg is a false teacher and will only lead you astray
@@turkwelsch Says the guy who can't refute any verse refuting mid-acts dispensationalism I've given, but changes the subject every time.
@@SteveGreggVideos worry about getting saved before trying to understand the Bible
@@turkwelsch See what I mean.
@@SteveGreggVideos brilliant retort!
I’m really struggling with so-called Christian friends, that are not even willing to have a conversation about this topic. So sad.
This is unfortunately most people. There's no coming together in brotherly love to have a nice edifying discussion. Even if you all don't end up agreeing, you can hopefully understand why the others think the way they do.
Me too!
Many are called, few are chosen. You can't raise someone from the grave.
Me too. Everyone nowadays seems to think they know it all. I don’t think we can ever know it all His ways are so much higher than our ways. My fervent prayer these days is to have my eyes completely open to biblical truth. The more I see, the more I realize how deep and how far and wide deception has grown. Indoctrination is a real problem in the church as well as in society as a whole. But God is looking for pure hearts who are willing to diligently seek Him. His love is amazing and His truth shines on
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised in Jer. 31:31-34, Dispensational Theology is revealed to be in error.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many Christians cannot honestly answer the first three questions below?
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Watch the RUclips videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay...
Have heard that 80% of evangelicals are dispensationalists. Since most have been taught that view, the opposition is huge. I left that view a long time ago, and saw the Bible started falling into place much easier for me.
Kind of like putting your beef stew in a blender? 🤔
Nothing wrong with a super supper!
@@tophampaul Yeah, and it makes it so much easier for believers today to misapply Israel’s promises, threats, prophecy, and DOCTRINE to themselves (which is not God’s will for us today so it’s blasphemy because it insults the grace by which God is dealing with the world today).
@@dfkuz it's not blasphemy if the apostles did it.
@@josht1901Did what? They didn’t even have blenders!
Just gotta say, I’ve only recently discovered you Steve, but you are possibly the best speaker I’ve heard talk on Dispensationalism. I had seen you in the documentary ‘On Earth As It Is In Heaven’ but didn’t know about your ministry in this area. Your content is brilliant and has been super helpful for me in articulating the errors of Dispensationalism. Thank you for making this edifying and much needed content available!
Hi, my name is Jason and I run this channel. I'm glad you've found Steve's teaching to be a blessing, as have I.
On my channel page (www.youtube.com/@stevegreggvideos), you'll have hundreds of topical and verse-by-verse teachings. My friend Tim also runs a channel featuring Steve Gregg (www.youtube.com/@thenarrowpath.com).
Steve Gregg has many more free MP3 teachings and a daily call-in radio program called The Narrow Path at thenarrowpath.com/. You may find ways to contact Steve there, and he also participates in the Facebook group, "Steve Gregg - The Narrow Path (Facebook group ( facebook.com/groups/stevegreggtnp/ ).
If you have questions, you can search all the calls Steve has taken for years at www.matthew713.com/, where you'll also find more for many of his lectures.
Lastly, many of Steve's lectures are transcribed at opentheo.org/steve-gregg.
All of this is done by volunteers for free as a service to the body of Christ.
Bible Answer Man Hank Hanegraaff set me straight 25 yrs ago. Steve I stumbled upon your RUclips channel after praying for the Lord to connect me with other believers who do not hold the dispensation view!
your topical lectures about this and church history helped me escape the heresy of dispensationalism
Very pertinent message for this time! Thanks, Steve!
"There's no danger of the promises being taken away from the faithful"
I think there would have been a better statement to be made here, personally. Because when looking at the question he answered:
"But if God took away his promises for the Jews, then he could also take away his promises from the church!"
I agree with the statement about the nation of Israel, but I think this is an interesting point:
Revelation literally talks about this exact thing happening. It says that if specific churches in Asia do _not_ change their ways, God will remove their lampstands (in other words, allow those churches to collapse or be destroyed). That's an interesting thing to note, because yes, the Bible does say that if churches fail to be faithful to God they WILL be removed.
The faithful believers as a whole will not, but on an individual level, or an individual church level? Absolutely it can happen. That's why Israel is a strong warning to Christians as well.
Paul even warns Christians grafted in that just as unfaithful Israel was cut off, so to can those who are grafted on.
Grafted in.... there's your starting point. If we the Christians have been grafted into the root Israel is still alive and well and God is not finished with them.
At the time of writing Romans there remained opportunity to come to Christ. Scripture reads that it is God that grants repentance, therefore it is God that can extend life of the root ie Eph 2:8-9.
Without the grace of God's gift of faith to whomsoever he chooses they are redundant, IE no grafting in.
"There but for the grace of God go I".is oft said.
@@tophampaul
Considering Romans 11 was written 15 to 25 years "before" Israel was even destroyed Paul's hope had a lot more legs
@@Billy1690-ws8jz
💪"Fulfillment Theology".
Christ is their King & ours, since Romans 11 Paul brags that there able to be grafted "back in"....
should they so choose Jesus.
Lol we're tagging along "with them"?
Grafted also, and it's not our fault "they" don't want to be a part of it.
Pastor Gregg, I got saved in the late 90s. And from a simple reading of the bible, without any "evangelical interference", I never came to a belief in a pretribulation rapture or the primacy of the modern nation of Israel. I'm so glad you are showing a plain reading and understanding of the word without the confusion of Zionists and Judiasers. So glad for your ministry.
FYI, Steve is not a pastor, just a Bible teacher. ~ Jason
@@SteveGreggVideos understood.
Important to consider with the news this week.
Love you Steve. Dont agree with everything you teach, but it stimulates thought and consideration and hope for understanding.
Just like the devil stimulated eves mind by challenging the word of God
@@turkwelsch If you think that Steve is 'challenging the word of God' (as some type of devil), you really have absolutely no clue as to what the church has predominantly taught throughout history. Shame on you for making such an accusation based on little more than ignorance.
I would love the link to a podcast for this video and the study notes
Excellent teacher! GB!
Thank you Steve.
God Bless
I'm Sure you know this and Probably use the following in your other lectures, but in the meantime, for those who are Interested, Isaiah 49 was written about Jesus / Yahshua, the Messiah, and 49:3 makes it Clear that He, Himself is Called "Israel, in whom" God says He will Show His Glory. And in Deut. 18, Moses says that Whoever Does Not "Heed that Prophet" (speaking of the Messiah) will Not be Happy. Jesus also plainly told us that He was "the One whom (Moses) Spoke about (I think that is in John 5 (?).
Thank You for Speaking on this Valuable Subject. I agree with Everything you said.
Excellent teaching 👌
Will you debate Robert Breaker? Or J.D Farag on this subject
In general, Steve will debate anyone in a formal debate if they are willing to set everything up and both sides can record it. But I wonder if he's changing his mind on the that. The last two guys he debated were badly outclassed and got frustrated. So I wonder if he's going cut it down to those who are known for really understanding the subjects to be discussed. Go to thenarrowpath.com for Steve's email address. If you or someone you know is willing to debate.
Movies like A thief in the night has caused a lot of damage when shown to young impressionable kids....and those whonshowed it to them...what were they thinking...this includes the books that came out during that time...telling us barcodes were the mark of the beast...some written by a guy who later sold pondscum laxative...
Hi Steve! I’m really enjoying listening to this series! Was wondering if you have read John G. Reisinger’s works? Like Abraham’s Four Seeds. He spent quite a bit of time trying to articulate the differences between Dispensationalism, Covenant Theology and what he held to New Covenant Theology. Thank you for standing for the truth! 💡✝️
I'm a Calvinist who loves Steve's eschatological work 😅
I too grew up in the modern evangelical pond never having heard the terms Dispensationalism, Arminianism, Calvinism etc. In all those years I was troubled by how poorly what I was being taught fit with the scripture. The first thing to go was Arminius followed by Credo only baptism. The last piece to fall into place was Postmillennialism (though I can accept the possibility of some forms of optimistic amillennialism).
Not initially knowing the terms I have moved from Baptistic-Armino-Dispy to full throated Reformed, Calvinistic, covenant theology (though I would not consider Calvin to have everything exactly right). Essentially I would say that I am now pretty much classic Presbyterian. In light of my journey I think I can in good conscience say that my current views are not a result of tradition as they are almost entirely in opposition my actual tradition.
Why would you believe calvinism is true? It makes God the author of sin and evil and changes the gospel to "salvation by sovereign decree" instead of "salvation by grace through faith"
@@JesusProtects Number one because the Bible teaches it.
Number two no it does not make God the author of sin. Our own sin condemns us. His choosing to graciously grant repentance to some is mercy while His choosing not to is justice. Paul and Christ are both clear on this matter.
My view is that Calvinism is neither taught nor implied in Scripture. It is an imposition by Augustinian gnostic theological movements.@@mkshffr4936
My upbringing roughly parallels yours, though mirrored. I became more dispensational the more I read an un-annotated bible, and used good hebrew/greek to english dictionaries. Like you, I found that some models of interpretation require extensive use of an externally applied framework. In my case, it was the Calvinist and Covenantal models I found the most dependent upon those external models. This has led me far closer to the dispensational camp, though I would not claim to be one. Much love brother.
Weird, because calvinism is a heresy that makes God the author of sin and evil. Something doesn't add up. I don't believe the Holy Spirit guided you to that false gospel, salvation by sovereign decree instead of salvation by faith.
@@JesusProtectsCalvin never maintained that God caused people to sin.
That's a very common false belief about what calvinism is
@@JesusProtects you must have a special kind of logic, and a compete ignorance of the English language to think that I am, am a proponent of, or even moderately in support, Calvinism. I wish you well.
@@christopherjames1160 please. I've read his nonsense enough to know that's not true. Of course he did say it.
John Calvin: “We also note that we should consider the creation of the world so that we may realize that everything is subject to God and ruled by his will and that when the world has done what it may, nothing happens other than what God decrees.” (Acts: Calvin, The Crossway Classic Commentaries, p.66)
John Calvin: “First, the eternal predestination of God, by which before the fall of Adam He decreed what should take place concerning the whole human race and every individual, was fixed and determined.” (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, p.121)
John Calvin: “God had no doubt decreed before the foundation of the world what He would do with every one of us and had assigned to everyone by His secret counsel his part in life.” (Calvin’s New Testament Commentaries: Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians and Colossians, p.20,)
John Calvin: “…the reason why God elects some and rejects others is to be found in His purpose alone. … before men are born their lot is assigned to each of them by the secret will of God. … the salvation or the destruction of men depends on His free election.” (Calvin’s New Testament Commentaries: Romans and Thessalonians, p.203)
It's time to stop worshipping Calvin, the killer of anabaptists as a golden calf. Under his evil doctrines of total depravity, the city of Geneva was turned into a HELL HOLE for 6 years, because he thought everyone was evil at all times so he created a group of pseudo policemen to go searching house to house to know if there was someone hiding something that he thought it was heretical and burn them at the stake, including not going to church or disagreeing with his doctrines.
@@RussFryman is not my native language so yes, you are correct. I'm just happy knowing you don't believe in the nonsense that is calvinism. Forgive my previous comment.
I have to say that I like the way Gregg teaches (though not necessarily what he is teaching in this video) as far as his demeanor and attitude towards those who disagree with him. We could definitely do with more of Gregg's type of charity and character towards the brethren, and less acrimony and ad hominem polemics against those who hold other views. I know that his time is limited in this format, but while he does give a few scriptures passages to look at, it would be great if he would do a loonger Video with more verses to examine to, as he said, read it for ourselves, and have something to truly compare to the views that many of us have grown up in. We will find out how everything actually works eventually, but many of us would like to know as far as we can, exactly what is going to happen. However, so long as we have our salvation assured, it's really rather academic. 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
Yes and Yes !!!
The word dispensation is a word mentioned in the Bible (king James). But the modern application might be misleading:
[1 Corinthians 9:17 KJV]
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.
[Ephesians 1:10 KJV]
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
[Ephesians 3:2 KJV]
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
[Colossians 1:25 KJV]
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Yep, that's some of the verses the theology uses to justify itself.. The word itself doesn't prove the theology of dispansationlism is correct any more than the mentions of predestination proves Calvanism is correct.
You shall be hated of all men for my names sake... I have found this to be particularly true of dispensationalists. the vast majority of them are not filled with the spirit, only having received the dead and useless baptism in water. Carnal to the core.
Leviticus 18 Deuteronomy 28 Jeremiah 18
St. John 8:31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
St. John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
St. John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Does Col.1:25 make Paul a dispensationalist ? Or does 1 Corinthians 9:17 make Paul a dispensationalist ? I mean ,since we're putting labels on .Jus sayin' .
Colossians 1: "24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church, 25 of which I became a minister according to the [g]stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God, 26 the [h]mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints. 27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: [i]which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus. 29 To this end I also labor, striving according to His working which works in me mightily."
No. Why?
1 Corinthians 9
"16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for necessity is laid upon me; yes, woe is me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have been entrusted with a stewardship. 18 What is my reward then? That when I preach the gospel, I may present the gospel [d]of Christ without charge, that I may not abuse my authority in the gospel."
No. Why?
@@SteveGreggVideos not sure what a dispensationalist is .I mean didn't God dispensate the Holy Spirit after death of Christ. Is God a dispensationalist according to King James Bible ?
Just like Steve I had never heard any other view until my mid 30s which was only a few years ago haha
I think the bloom is coming off the dispensationalists rose. I was saved in the Catholic charismatic renewal, and I never signed onto the Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey craze. I never really bought into it. It all seemed too cute by half. Around 1980 I read a book called “The Blessed Hope” and discovered there was an alternate view. Dispensationalism is really elitism.
From India, we had an Anglican priest who taught Jesus returned in 1881. He destroyed 3 generations from our family. After being born again in 1983, I learned about the meaning of eschatology. Lord inspired me to follow Dr Micheal Brown's teaching, which made me free.
That's so sad to hear. I pray that your family is free, strong, and blessed.
You are so correct Steve. If someone actually reads the Bible "for themselves", he will not find DISPENSATIONALISM in the Bible. As a matter of fact, there are many so called "Christian" doctrines which will not be found if someone just actually reads the Bible for themselves. Examples: the Calvinist doctrine of T.U.L.I.P; the Universal doctrines of the "incarnation" and "deity" of the Man Jesus of Nazareth; the "construct" of the so called "trinity", i.e., 3 "divine persons in 1 divine being"; the concept of "the Church" established by the so called "fathers of the church". Or, Steve, are these EXCEPTIONS to the rule which you propose, i.e., READ the Bible for yourself?
I Cor. 15:53-54 tell us that the Rapture Must happen After the Tribulation because of what it says: i.e. that "When this Mortal will have put on immortality (at the Rapture) THEN will come about the statement, O Death where is your sting, O Death, where is your victory. And I Cor. 15:26 tells us that the Last enemy to be conquered is Death. Numerous other passages say the same thing --- as you have also taught on.
Do you see how you added what you wanted the verses to say? You totally read your belief/presuppositions into the verses. No where in 1 Cor 15 does it talk about the "rapture" or the "tribulation". It talks about the resurrection and that is it. But from other passages in the Bible, we know that the resurrection occurs on the Last Day. According to Jesus as He says in John 6 in four different verses (v 39, 40, 44, & 54). Here is just one of those four, John 6:40--"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” Unfortunately, that is the problem that I've found with Dispensationalism is that it reads the Bible through an "end times" grid, even though the verses don't actually say what the presuppositions want them to say. Now that I left Dispensationalism, the Bible makes a lot more sense. I want to encourage you to read the Bible text with what they actually say, not what you want them to say.
we apparently Both AGREE that the Pre-
Tribulation Rapture (belief) is a Myth. And the Rapture (of believers) takes Place at the same time as the Resurrection (of the Dead) -- Also Called the First Resurrection -- that takes place at the End of the Tribulation period (that lasts from 45 days to 1 Year max.-- probably 45-75 days in my opinion. @@teelee2557
@teelee, once I started studying the historicist view, everything fell into place. There was no trying to fit/pull scripture from here and there.
When I started digging deep into world events over even just the past 2 centuries (20th!) it was easy to see how all roads truly do lead to Rome.
Seminaries were infiltrated years ago. 501c3 churches etc.
Thanks Steve! Hystorisist here (I guess) arguing that the woman in Rev 12 is still Israel, who spent 1260 days (years) in the wilderness since the Dome to 1948. Hope the 1335 day statement in Daniel does not come to pass as I think it does, since the 1290th day sure looks like that of the Prince of Persia. Bless you!
**historicist**
Covenants can not be anulled or destroyed
The very nature of a Covenant is that it is an agreement of cooperation between 2 or more parties.
Thus Covenants can indeed and often are annulled.
@@ericfisher1360 Ya. That is what causes wars
@@barbrading564 Sometimes breaking covenants can cause wars, as well as multitude of other things, like resource scarcity for example.
Sometimes covenants are signed to end wars as well, we call those types of covenants "peace treaties"
I'll admit I don't totally commit to a specific view on this, but when you read Zechariah 12, it's REAL hard to not see at least that Jerusalem and Israel, a tiny country, moves all the nations around the world -
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness. (Zechariah 12:2-4, KJV)
Curious - does anyone know of a different time in history this scripture can be applied to?
Also this scripture:
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (Revelation 20:3, KJV)
If you take a look around you realize really fast the devil is not locked up and he is still deceiving the nations. This scripture says when he is locked up he will deceive the nations no more.
Small point of contention on 1 Corinthians 15:51.. Hebrews 9:27 says we are all going to die. It used to bother me that when Jesus comes back the living saints will be caught up into the air and transformed in the twinkling of an eye. Then it dawned on me that God could kill me and resurrect me into a new body faster than I could lose consciousness. We might not sleep, but I believe we're all appointed to die once as it says in Hebrews. Just sayin! 🤷♂😎
God promised Abraham that thru him all mankind would be blessed. He also promised a king of David's linage would sat on his throne ruling not the physical Jews but the spiritual Jews, which should have included all the Jews together with Gentile converts, who listened to Jesus teachings going forward. They were to be the first in line but the majority rejected Jesus. They refused to begin a chapter in their understanding of God's new command. Instead they wanted to continue to worship God as they had done for centuries. They rejected his Sovereignty.
The temple being prominent part of worship but Jesus did say your house is abandon to you and foretold the destruction of the temple.
God did not fail them. Their are Jews who stand with their redeemer. ( The apostle were all Jews)a 😊dp
nd await the end time events when he will restore Paradise Earth. (Look at it Now).
The further point is that the promise to Abraham now extends to the World= the whole World will be restored and peopled by fully human people who will continue their stewardship for God
Good one here. Don't agree on many points; like when the new covenant starts for example (see;Jer31, a new covenant is a new perfect sinless heart not the deposit of the spirit as we have now.)A good analysis none the less. (im not dispensational😀)
Are you saying Jesus didnt bring the new covenant and that Hebrews is wrong in saying the old covenant is obsolete in that both cannot co-exist?
@@josht1901 If we are in the new covenant now what are we waiting for?, why do I sin?, why do we need resurrection?. There are not three covenants. Yes this present age is growing old and fading away. Do u c what I mean?
@@richardright752 we are waiting for the resurrection of our bodies having already been born again of incorruptible seed . When mortality puts on immortality at the coming of the Lord when we shall be changed…… meanwhile He gives us power to overcome. We no longer live a sinful godless lifestyle and are being transformed daily as we look to Him from glory to glory🙏
Having received His Holy Spirit we are His workmanship🙏
@@debravan-aalst4723 Exactly, the new covenant means a new sinless heart see Jer31👍
What Scriptural event do dispensationalists and proponents of a future Daniel's 70th week, believe Jesus was going to fulfill with this prophecy:
Matt 23:38 *_Behold, your house is left unto you desolate._*
Remember, the pre-Trib says the reconstituted Nation of Israel will wake up and worship Jesus as Messiah and everything will be joyous in the Kingdom forever. So Jesus couldn't have been prophesying the above complete desolation of the House of Israel AFTER they turn to Him in a literal Millennial Reign. They can't be left both desolate forever, and rejoicing in the Lord forever. Which one is it?
Therefore, it is Dan 9:26 and 27 that Jesus was prophesying to fulfill, speaking of the annihilation of the House of Israel to take place. If so, Daniel's 70th week was already fulfilled by Jesus and the Disciples (Acts 28:27-28), culminating in 70 AD - just like Jesus said - that generation would not pass away until they saw the abomination and desolation of their Temple, City and the people themselves.
Believers were told to flee to the mountains by Jesus. The unbelievers instead were gathered together at the Temple and were made un-alive, or carried off into slavery. That was the fulfillment of Daniel's 70th week.
Daniel 9:26-27 KJV
And after threescore and two weeks shall *_Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:_* and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he [the Messiah] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [Rom 15:8]: and in the midst of the week he [Messiah] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [Heb 10:10,12], and for the overspreading of abominations he [the Messiah] shall make it [the Temple] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [the City and the People].
Good comment but “were made unalive”?? Seriously?
St. John 3:3 Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. "
Not trying to squabble, this is a legit question. I'll give it to you exactly the way I wrote it in my own journal.
What exactly is "irrevocable" in Romans 11:29?
If you've already answered this elsewhere id happily accept a video.
Your Romans series stops at chapter 9, otherwise id go there
Look for a playlist called “what are we to make of Israel?” it’s Steve teaching
The last three videos deal with the future of Israel question. The last of these addresses Romans.
The 700 club is the media arm for National Israel lol 😂
I see replacement theology is alive and well! Romans 11:1 "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid."
It is very telling that those who oppose Paul's unique dispensation (Ephesians 3) never actually deal with the scriptures or arguments that the dispensationalists use. I wonder why?
Matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people."
Matthew 9:35 "Then Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."
Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Jesus came preaching "the gospel of the Kingdom" to the nation of Israel, to fulfil what was promised to them in the writings of the Old Testament prophets. Paul comments;
Romans 15:6-9 "Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers"
It is very clear that Jesus while on Earth was here to fulfill what was promised in the Old Testament. The prophets foretold that Israel would be the nation above the other nations (Deuteronomy 28:13, Deuteronomy 15:6, Isaiah 60:12, Psalm 2:8), which is why when Jesus ascended the last thing the disciples asked was;
Acts 1:6 "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"
This is the "Gospel of the Kingdom", the good news that God's promised earthly Kingdom of Israel was about to break into the world. This message was for Jews only, but Gentiles who understood Israel's exalted position could enjoin themselves and benefit from the crumbs of that Kingdom (Matthew 15:28).
Peter in early Acts begins preaching to the "men of Israel" (Acts 2:21-28). To them he says:
Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Peter tells Israel that if they repent, God will send Jesus Christ to them, so that they may enjoy the forgiveness of sins promised in their New Covenant, and the presence of the Lord will finally be on Earth as foretold by the prophets "since the world began". This is what the prophets had foretold since the world began, the fulfillment of the Kingdom of God on earth, with Israel as the nation above the nations. Now contrast that with what Paul wrote to his gentile audience;
Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was KEPT SECRET since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.
Paul when preaching to his gentile audience, tells them that the revelation of the mystery, which Peter never made any mention of, nor did Jesus in his earthly ministry, was kept secret since the world began, "but now" is made manifest. The phrase "but now" appears many times in Paul's letters (Romans 3:21, Romans 6:22, Romans 7:6, Romans 11:30, Romans 16:26) referring specifically to the time after the resurrection of Jesus and the subsequent fall of Israel (Romans 11). It follows then that the "revelation of the mystery" that was kept secret, was not known in previous ages or by the prophets of Israel. This is important, which is why Paul re-itterates it elsewhere;
Colossians 1:26-27 "Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory"
1 Corinthians 2:7 "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory"
Ephesians 3:3-6 "How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel"
The mystery, which was revealed to Paul, was clearly not known in previous generations. The previous generations who were given the prophets of Israel, were given prophecies concerning the rise of Israel as the nation above the nations (Isaiah 2, Isaiah 66), but had no knowledge that God would do something as a result of their fall. Since Israel had fallen, it follows that their laws, and covenants, fell with them, to be resumed later (Romans 11:11-12, Romans 11:25-26). We are to fellowship in the mystery (Ephesians 3:9), not in Israel's New Covenant. The New Testament includes both the mystery program, which Paul calls the "Gospel of Grace" (Acts 20:24) and the prophetic Kingdom of God, called "the Gospel of the Kingdom". These two gospels are clearly seen here;
Galatians 2:7 "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me (the gospel of grace), as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter (the gospel of the kingdom to israel)"
Galatians 2:9 "And when James, Cephas (Peter), and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."
The two programs agreed to separate their ministries, the 12 going to the 12 tribes of Israel with the promise of their kingdom, calling the nation to repent so they could receive it (Acts 3:19). The nation refused the call, and thus, fell at the stoning of Stephen. The 12 spent the rest of their days ministering to their converts, until they finally diminished and died out, being replaced entirely with Paul's ministry for the last 2000 years "until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in" (Romans 11:25).
Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. This should be contrasted with what Paul wrote in Colossians 1:23 "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister." Paul during his own life time could say his gospel had already been preached and heard by "every creature", yet the end did not come for 2000 years. Clearly there are two gospels, one that will be preached at the end, ushering in the end of world history as we know it and the entering of the Kingdom of God on earth (the gospel of the Kingdom of Israel), and the gospel that calls all to believe during Israel's rejection of that Kingdom (the gospel of grace). Now let's read Paul's warning;
Galatians 1:6-12 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
Paul is warning his converts in the Body of Christ to not let anyone, even the 12 disciples/apostles, preach a gospel to them other than Paul's gospel. Why? Imagine if Peter came to the Gentiles and said this;
Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Will God send Jesus Christ if the Gentiles repent? No. Paul's audience already received the atonement (Romans 5:11) and had already been forgiven (Ephesians 4:32). That would contradict what Jesus said;
Matthew 23:39 "For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you (Israel) cry "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".
Israel must repent for Jesus to return, not the Gentiles. So Paul warns his audience not to let anyone preach to them the gospel of the Kingdom preached to Israel, or any other gospel (that is no gospel at all), other than Paul's gospel, which Paul calls "my gospel" (Romans 16:25), which was revealed directly by Christ to him.
1 Timothy 1:15-16 "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting."
"Chief": The Greek word used for "chief" in verse 15 is "πρῶτος" (prōtos), which can be translated as "foremost" or "first" in rank or importance.
"First": In verse 16, the Greek word for "first" is "πρῶτος" (prōtos) as well, which carries a similar meaning of being the first in sequence or priority.
Clearly Paul is the first member of the Body of Christ, which makes sense since Paul is a Jew and Greek in one body, and is the first to join this new calling after the fall of Israel at the stoning of Stephen.
Galatians 6:16 "And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God."
Paul makes a distinction between his audience, the Body of Christ, and the Israel of God, who were contemporaries as the two ministries overlapped in the first century period of the book of Acts. However, we learn Israel was to diminish (Israel 11:11-12), leaving only Paul's ministry active for the last 2000 years. However, the offer the Kingdom to Israel is still on the table, should that nation repent, and they will, after "the fullness of the Gentiles" comes into Paul's ministry (Romans 11:25). Once that happens, Hebrews to Revelation will be the instructions to the final generation of Israel, who will endure the time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7), the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 13:6, Ezekiel 13:5, Joel 2:1, Joel 3:14, Amos 5:18, Zephaniah 1:14, Zechariah 14:1), the Anti-Christ, and the return of Christ to the Earth.
Concerning that time, Amos 5:18 says "Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light." However, Paul writes;
1 Thessalonians 5:1-9 "Now, brothers and sisters, about times and seasons we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, 'Peace and safety,' destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness."
Paul had no need to write to his audience about that time of darkness, because his audience belong to the day, not the night or the darkness. Had Paul anticipated his audience would endure that time of trouble, he would have said the opposite and given instructions on how to endure that horrific time in history. Instead, Paul just assures them they don't belong to that time, and he has no need to write to them about it. Further still;
2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (Rapture, good thing!), That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (Day of the Lord, bad thing!) is at hand."
Paul writes to his audience who were confused about this, on the basis of our blessed hope and gathering to the Lord, to not let anyone worry them about the prophesied Day of the Lord. Revelation begins by John receiving a vision;
Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day (the Day of the Lord), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet."
The book of Revelation is the revealing of the Day of the Lord, the time Paul had no need to write about, but John clearly did. John, as an apostle to the 12 tribes, saw their final generation and the horrific time that will come upon the earth. Paul assures us that time will not come until a few things happen first, namely, our gathering to the Lord (2 Thess 2:1).
With all this in mind, it is easy to see; the Body of Christ is a unique group, made of Jew and Gentile during Israel's fall. We do not partake in Israel's laws, covenants, promises, or anything to do with that nations national destiny. Israel will become a nation of priests (Revelation 1:6), and then this will be fulfilled;
Zechariah 8:23 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."
Jews during that time will be taken to Jerusalem, and Gentiles will beg them to go with them to meet the King. That is clearly not happening today, that is the prophetic program of Israel and their national destiny. Our destiny as the Body of Christ is unique, heavenly, and so Paul writes;
Colossians 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.
This wonderful distinction from Israel and their calling is what sets us apart as a unique group with a unique calling. Paul prays;
Ephesians 1:17-23 "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all."
You can understand why Paul did not begin by telling his converts about this wonderful fact, because only spiritual people who are able to make spiritual distinctions and really understand Israel's national destiny can come to understand their unique calling. This is advanced, spiritual information for the Body of Christ to understand their vocation in the Lord. That is why Paul had to pray for God to open the eyes of our understanding so we can finally see exactly what we have been called into, this glorious purpose. This amazing revelation given to Paul is the means by which God will take back the heavenly realms and fill those positions of power with His Body. This is the manifold wisdom of God (Ephesians 3:10) that the angelic realm had no knowledge of. Sadly, most Christians don't have any clue how special they are, how beautiful this calling is, and exactly what our hope and identity is in Christ. For this reason, I believe this is the most important ministry in the world today, calling sinners to believe the gospel, and then instructing those who are saved in the letters of Paul and contrasting them with the Old Testament / 4 gospels / Hebrews to Revelation, so they can understand who they are.
In all this ask yourself a reality question: are you closer spiritually to an unredeemed Jew or a Palestinian Christian? Who is part of God's Kingdom there? Only one answer is possible. Yet, when oh when ,have the latter been anything other than ""/expendable" / unmentioned - in the context of the Christian dispensationalists absurdly quoting OT passages in support of their toadying up to non-Christians - namely the state of Israel ? Have you read the Jewish prayer about Christians = Birkat ha monim(sp?) How the Jews pray that "Nazerenes "will be blotted out of the book of life?
Cozying up to people who are opposed to the gospel is offensive= especially when there is no evidence that there is any real heart for Usrselis as induviduals? Love them. Love all people.
All Christians like Paul rejoice over every Jew who becomes" new creation". May the fulness of the gentiles come! But praying for the secular state Israel ?? Pray rather as a peacemaker. That not the obscenity of war is needed. That is what Jesus enjoins his followers to do in his Kingdom citzen requirements in the NT.
Jesus came to fulfill, which means Jesus came to minister, to be the True Light/True Israel, to suffer, die, and be resurrected, and to redeem anyone (Jews and Gentiles) who has faith in Jesus. God has always only had one plan, one people, one body of believers, one bride, one eternal destiny. Be blessed.
Its called a codicil
The word dispensation is used four times in the bible, How do you deconstruct that?????
The word predestination is also used in the bible. The existence of the word in the text does not necessarily validate your particular understanding of the word.
Dr Az Gabbar????
Nothing has changed. Non israelites must aknowlege the children who have a right to sit at the table
48:12 No, the word Church is used all throughout the NT Bible. Its the Body of Christ that was revealed to Paul. Its clear you are arguing against something you only loosely understand. Israel is a bloodline, nation, land etc. The Body of Christ are all those in this dispensation of grace who have believed in the gospel of grace 1Cor15:1-4; that includes Jews and Gentiles together into the New Creature; till the taking up of His people at the 2nd coming of Christ.
Just don't put a name on it. Why would you think everyone would see what you see when you are a unique creation in Christ and not like anyone else in the whole world?
52:06 No, the New Covenant was prophesied only for Israel & Judah only. The Testament of the Lord Jesus Christ is 1Cor15:1-4 and those who believe in Christ crucified for salvation are baptized BY the Holy Spirit into the Body of Christ. Brought nigh to God by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 3:9 The Fellowship of the Mystery.
You need to write a "New Prophetic Chart" with all your secrets you've discovered & have Benny Hinn sell it....could be a big deal !
Try a rebuttal that has scripture. Ad hominem is not appealing.
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I'm being cheeky Brother, take no offense.
I grew up in Dispy churches - Tim LaHaye was our Pastor.
Every Thursday Summer Bible Conference (70s - early 90s) it seemed like the latest Prophetic "Key" or "Mystery" to the timing of the Rapture / Second Coming were unveiled, or a New Book published.
"88 Reasons why Jesus will come in 1988".
Next year I expected Tim & our Elders to publish a disclaimer stating:
"88 Reasons why we keep getting the Rapture predictions wrong"
Never happened !
It shows a stunning lack of credibility, and poor ethical & spiritual standing to sweep rank errors under the rug, but "we" did it, due to the underlaying aberrant Theology of JN Darby & CI Schofield.
I didn't reject Christ or God's Word over these repeated FAILS.
I did stop doing "newspaper headline urgent repent cause Raptures coming evangelism".
Several sharp minded skeptics - being less invested & more honest - pointing out that similar fraudulent Last Days Madness schemes had been hatched on them dating back to 1930.
I thought "At least these Prophetic guys could do is make the charts out of Velcro material so when their Timing is inevitably wrong, they can tear off the Rapture thingy & put it somewhere else on the timeline."
Big savings on printing new prophetic charts every other year !
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TRUTH !
Their eyes get glazed over by those "prophetic charts" & incomprehensible missing weeks (who stopped Daniels prophetic clock lol ?) and grand leaps of logic.
I know, that was me in my less mature in the Faith phase, but one HAS to grow beyond milk, towards meat.
Maybe that's it, the Dispy mindset is appealing to a generally simplistic milk loving baby Christian, primarily.
The good thing is, Dispensationalism is dying a well deserved death, it's followers are hopeless & think the Devil's running the world, at least until Jesus sets up shop in the "never prophesied" 3rd rebuilt Temple.
So, their take is a defective hard sell with no warranty.
A real turkey of a theological system.
If it were a car, it'd drive straight to the junkyard to be parted out, then crushed & melted down.
I've observed that in decades past (but not any longer) the Dispy mindset was "great for recruitment, but horrible for training maturity & stability", as the Disciples seldom matured & we're always pining for a "quick Rapture Rescue" - being taught the lie that somehow they'd be spared the trials & Tribulation that has been the general lot of every Believer in JESUS CHRIST for 21 centuries.
I have listened to J.V. McGee, Chuck Missler, Chuck Smith and some of the others Gregg mentioned and I have never heard them claim to be dispensationalist. I am a dispensationalist and Gregg has grossly misrepresented me. I don't know what Gregg thinks a dispensationalist is, but it ain't me. Why didn't he define it when he started?
most christians draw a dispensational line somewhere, this talk describes (with many assumptions and generalizations) the acts 2 dispensationalists.
I used to be of that camp, but have since moved to the more refined camp of the mid-acts dispies.
You need to check us out!
Are you of the camp that teaches Jesus and the 12 taught you had two keep the law to be saved, but Paul taught another gospel to the gentiles, in which salvation is received thru grace alone?
God knows that no man can keep the law, therefore one would have to be deluded to make that a condition of salvation, however I am of the camp that believes that Jesus and the 12 taught that one had to have faith and accompanying works that demonstrated his faith as in the rich young ruler.
Israel under covenant/law= faith with works (Jas. 2:24)
Body of Christ under grace= faith alone without works (rm.4:5) without the need to turn from sins (works)!@@SteveGreggVideos
@@turkwelsch Did Paul preach a different gospel than Jesus?
@@turkwelsch Would this be faith with accompanying works? "To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism."
Yes, Paul preached a different Gospel than Jesus and the 12, this is why Peter attempted to stop the Lord's crucifixion not once but twice! it hardly seems that he would be preaching Paul's Gospel who's main focus is the crucifixion!
As for the section of Romans 2 that you quoted, that is God condemning the world for not keeping His standard of righteousness, to which He would later say "all have sinned and fallen short"
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Why would the rapture be mentioned with tribulations? We are not going to be there. The places triulations is talked about is concerning the people who will be and are seeking salvation
Wait, what?
The only time that “tribulation” is specifically mentioned is by John in the opening chapters, and it is reference to the CURRENT tribulation of his day. Please open your Bible.
@@benvowels5316 what? Only in john? Brother you need to study.
@@benvowels5316 Revelations? If you don't see it there honestly I don't know what to say to you.
@@michaelcabra9054 no no, I mean that the word tribulation is only mentioned once in Revelation, by John, who says in 1:9 "I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Christ..." If John is IN the tribulation, then what is this other tribulation? Look at your concordance and find the word tribulation. It only appears once in the book of Revelation.
51:03 Paul in no way thinks the Church is spiritual Israel. That is not even a phrase found in the Bible. A New Creature; The Body of Christ (Jew & Gentile) is not an old creature. The old things have passed away. No longer Gentile or Jew in the Body of Christ. and the Body of Christ is not called Israel not once not ever in the Bible.
Did you take the time to listen to his lecture completely? Were you able to genuinely reflect on and consider the historical aspects of his lecture and the development of dispensationalism? Have you ever simply been open to the possibility that you and your bible teachers might be in error regarding the subject of Israel and the church? These are honest questions...
Revelation 2:9 "...I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." The church is not Israel and the covenants made with the Jews are not for the church
That’s not at all what this is pointing to. I think you have it backwards based on an already-formed opinion instead of an objective analysis. But also there is ONE body, not two. Over and over this is stated.
I’m 30 minutes in and this guy still hasn’t said anything. How about opening the Bible? And let’s see what it says. Tell me your worldview, sir, and try to accurately describe the worldview of a dispensationalist.
This is nothing more than it’s wrong because I say it’s wrong. And I don’t care about Darby I care about what the Bible says.
If you cared about the Bible then you would not have a problem with what he is explaining.
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"Amillennialism came back to life under Augustine and flourished during the Dark Ages because he popularized the allegorization of Scripture in order to align biblical prophecy with the teachings of Plato and his hatred of the Jewish people."
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@@nichill7474 did you read what you wrote before you sent it? If I cared what the Bible said, I would not have a problem with what he saying? That makes no sense.
@@startruck777 Jonathan said that. Wow. What’s the Bible say? I also understand Martin Luther was an antisemite.
“I’m 30 minutes in…”
My brother in Christ you’ve admitted you only listened to 1/3 of the lecture. Maybe hear an explaination before passing judgement?
The thing is you can listen to and read a PRO dispensationalist. Who does know scripture and they key out a really good argument for it
As you’ve done to oppose it
It’s not true they are not ver good Bible readers
Some aren’t
Many are
The point is: we don’t know
That’s the biblical view
Prepare to be ruptured. But don’t live for that
Live to get ready to beet the lord. If you die first. You do
If you go through the tribulation , you do
If you’re raptured first. Fine
It’s irrelevant
Do you not understand what their left hand is doing along with their right?
They are calling a people apart from Christ, chosen. Giving away their own birthright. One who calls another chosen is like a husband who has a wife and a side chick. It is like two people being married after a divorce. . While the one spouse disagrees with the marriage altogether and says "you may have married me, but the one you divorced is still your wife".
Anyone who calls anyone outside of Christ, is an antichrist. This doctrine regardless of whatever else comes forth from their mouths, shows the darkness of their hearts.
My only disagreement so far with this teacher on this particular subject, is that he doesn't go far enough. They reject the works of Christ making them circumcised in flesh, they are a Jew. Not a Christian.
25:00… If the goal here is to deconstruct dispensational theology, it would be good and helpful if Steve Gregg was actually familiar with what he is critiquing.
It seems apparent that Gregg has not read primary sources.
Two specific examples:
Saucy, Bock, and Blaising have (30 years ago!) made substantial movement from the Darby/Scofield original Dispensationalism, and similarly from the Chafer/Walvoord/Pentecost Classical Dispensationalists. If one were to put Generation 1 Dispies at the end zone on a football field (with Covenant theologians at the other end), Classic Dispies would be on the 20 yard line and Progressive Dispies would be on the 40 yard line.
Regarding “literal” interpretation, Gregg is acting like a hack here. What he describes as the solution against “literal” reading is exactly what PDs describe today (for a generation!) about how they define “literal” interpretation. They recognize and include poetry, figures of speech, and eschatological language.
So, let’s try starting again… Hoping this gets better about a spurious and ignorant start.
By 40:00… It has become clear by now that Gregg himself has a more literal interpretation of the word “literal” than any form of Dispensationalists do. They subscribe to “normal” interpretation (virtually everything Gregg has described as the remedy) as “literalism”. As Gregg misunderstands their intention, he misrepresents them.
His later question regarding what is the basis for symbolic and spiritualizing determinations - this is where the actual discussion lies. He gets better here…
Part 2: Ok, here Gregg is brilliant! He explains why “replacement theology” is a false charge. God’s people within Israel (the faithful remnant) was the “ekklesia” of God under the first Covenant. This was the fulfillment of the prophecy to Abraham (blessing of all nations), but remained the “mystery” until it became part of NT revelation. This is accurate progressive revelation. And prophetic fulfillment.
After Christ, at Pentecost, this ekklesia of God was expanded to the whole world of those who have faith in Christ under the New Covenant!
@@tedbastwock3810 Did you read all 3 of my posts? Note my progression of comments. Also note the specifics of my critique, and of my honoring him where appropriate.
No, Gregg seems to have a strong knowledge of original Darbyite Dispensationalism. He doesn’t distinguish it from the standard US Dispensationalism of the mid- 20th century (DTS marked by Chafer, Walvoord, Pentecost, and Ryrie - its best proponents.)
And Gregg seems completely unaware of where Progressive Dispensationalism has gone in the past 30 years. So his arguments are refuting positions from 100 years ago. Valid enough. But not addressing where the center of the movement today has gone (which is more nuanced and has integrated some of Gregg’s own beliefs.)
So his contrasts are sometimes exactly right, and sometimes he is quite unaware. He’s mixed. He really should read and engage current representatives of PG.
As for how much I know - how can you possibly know?
Yeah, I enjoy Gregg, but he’s far off on his representation of dispensationalist teaching on a literal hermeneutic
Get a haircut mate, if it's touching your collar you're going wrong somewhere.
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Hi. in 1977 i got involved with a group called fundamental baptist. One of their rules is that men cannot have hair over the top of their ears! I was sent to the principles office at my independent baptist christian school for having hair on top of my ears. In 1980, jerry falwell inviited the best piano players in the u s a to play at his church. Ten minutes before he was going to play, jerry went backstage and noticed that the mans hair was over his ears! He said you cannot play piano at my church. You need to get a haircut buddy. Other rules independent baptists have: women have to wear dresses, no movies, no drinking beer, no dancing, king james only, southern baptists are too liberal. They would attack billy graham for being too liberal! They were dispensationalist all the way! They would carry the good old scofield bible to chruch on sunday. Now that I am reformed, I call it the scofield BASTARD reference bible!@@Billy1690-ws8jz
Steve Gregg , have you not read Ephesians 3 , KJV ? God has always “ dispensed “ instructions for man . Dispensational study of the Bible is not only the only way to understand the Bible , it’s the only way to be approved of God ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ) , I sure wouldn’t want to stand before the Lord at the JSOC , having not studied and taught God’s Word the way he wants it studied ! John
Steve has probably memorized Ephesians 3.
@@davidschefter4160, are you Steve ? The same goes for you .
You should put a little more effort on contextual study before giving arrogant semantic slaps to someone. Dispensations exist within a covenant, not separate from them. Paul in Eph 3, uses the word “dispensation” to define the new covenant of grace and rulership of Christ. In evangelical eschatology, dispensationalism, the word, is redefined. It is a false doctrine of future fulfillment of OT prophecies which have already been fulfilled. In fact, dispensationalism supersedes Christ’s Kindgom and his ecclesia in favor of the coming “dispensation” of reinstituting the mosaic kingdom of Israel of the flesh. Israel is called Gods favorite while the church is a second rate mistake and a “dispensation” which is coming to an end. This leads to a false rapture, a 7 year great tribulation and Jesus leaving his church in heaven, getting us out of the way, then ruling and reining with Jews from Jerusalem. Dispensationalism as a belief system is illogical and unbiblical.
Sounds to me like in your religion, you do most of the dispensing. You're the dispenser of truth, correctness, and judgment. Have fun with that.
Study dispensational wall charts that you may be approved of God: there is no other understanding. -- (signed) God.
This guy is severely confused
not an argument
Maybe you are confused and blaming it on someone else.