What Comes Next- The Rapture or Apostasy // THE RAPTURE & ENDURANCE OF THE SAINTS
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2023
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Episode 14: What Comes Next- The Rapture or Apostasy
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Anyone else having a hard time finding a good church? Most Bible-preaching churches are also pre-trib and OSAS, and it feels too far into the end times where (I believe) the pastor is deceived and deceiving on this point… want to find a church where the pastor is preparing us to go through the tribulation, or at least realizes we are in the end times!
Yes. Finding a church that doesn’t teach at least one of those it’s very difficult. The western church, particularly in America is incredibly deceived. I can have a discussion and disagree with pre trib but I refuse to sit under a pastor who teaches OSAS
It’s hard to find a local church that teaches Bible prophecy at all in my area. 🤦♀️ 💕🙏 Peace and blessings in Jesus Christ, our Lord, Savior, and King 👑
Ruth which city are you in?
Find a church that teaches Jesus and what He taught and don’t worry about if they believe in the rapture! That is going to soon change when they see that they were wrong!
Hebrews 10:26 says that we are not to forsake the assembly with other believers, you are a part the body that is needed!
What is OSAS?
John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Funny, you mention the very scripture that I received to answer my single question is the Rapture, dogmatic?
That verse was specifically for the believers of his day
John 17 is High Priest Prayer of Lord Jesus Christ and was His last prayer before got Arrested
I our Church most of use Memorize this chapter
Because its very important against Heretic
And Dispensationalist preacher hate this chapter because their is no place for Israel or for Rome or Anthena only place for His People and those who Believe in Him
@@dacastro1apply to us today also
These scriptures are the very ones that began me on the journey of walking away from the pre-trib deception.
My fear now though, is basically most of my brethren I know in person take the pre-trib notion seriously (and some of my family take the preterist notion). I keep praying that they wake up soon, because I don't want to see anybody fall away.
I'm in the same boat. My husband didn't even wanna hear it unless it was "pro pre trib". Little by little I started seeing and sharing with him that pre-trib might be made up. He finally saw it, but the rest of my family, no way. I believe they will believe when they see. I don't know anything who thinks Jesus already came back tho. That idea makes no sense at all. Everyone will know when they see.
Pre~trib deception? So the early church..and early church fathers were deceived by Jesus who told them about “the rescue?”..”the blessed hope!!”..those claim that the pre~trib rapture came margaret macdonald or john darby are dishonest people..that is where the deception is coming from!! What’s Joel Richardson’s background anyways? Did he even go to a seminary??
Let them know if it doesn't happen in the time frame they have been told by their ministers, they need to be strong and wait longer, it will happen, after the tribulation. Unfortunately some will not listen, their ears are closed their eyes are blinded by false teachings.
The gift of everlasting life in pure joy and happiness with the Messiah is worth whatever we will endure for such a short time in comparison 🙏
Praise God! He did the same for me a few years ago. We were all taught in err about this and many other things. So glad God opened your eyes(and mine too!). God bless you!
Why would Jesus rapture us and then come back to earth, no one ever explains that
I became Born Again back in 1979 and by 1989/2000 Fell away or walked away from Christ into Wicca.
In Wicca, I experienced all sorts of Evil activities even Jail. Now, I was on this path until Jan 2016 when Jesus Christ called me back to the Father. I Repented and Christ delivered me from much Evil. Today I walk in the Love of Christ and every day to my best to not be deceived or take my salvation for granted. I do believe you can choose to walk away from God and you can choose to resist evil and walk with Jesus Christ. I pray daily to be able to give my crown to my King when I depart from this life. In Peace this Resurrection Day!
I think what's more important is that we are truely born again...and are ready to meet the Lord when He arrives ...believing in pre trib or post trib...doesn't disqualify you from the Kingdom of God.....keep your eyes on the King of Kings and Lord of Lords...His coming soon ...keep telling others about salvation...and keep praying.... Hallelujah!!
Pre trib are in danger of deception when the anti christ comes first, claiming to be Jesus.
I’m sorry but it’s a great deception to others and oneself to believe in post trib. I feel like right now it’s so important to understand that there will be no secret rapture. Not being ready or willing to recognize that there is a definite future for the church is going to be the fall of many.
Pray for endurance and perseverance to be faithful to the end
You are very shallow.like most Christians.
Don't stand for the Truth.
It's a real shame.
Please Reade Matt 24:29 - 31. Please read 29 first four words and repeat them 3 times before reading the rest
He will raise them up on the LAST DAY!
And those who endure to the end will be saved
Some things no man or women will 100% know. That being said we follow after Yeshua even when we don't understand. We love Him and walk in obedience because He first loved us. Amen
Spot on 'the topcat'. And for that reason, we must stay close to The Word, not deviating,subtracting,or adding.we do not have the option to believe only what we choose to. we must believe His Word completely, for He is Truth,He is trustworthy, He alone is Holy. having said that, we must remember. He paid the price for our sins with His perfect sacrifice.
Throughout His Word, He gives us warnings,we must take heed of. He is trustworthy. His Word is good.
The 10 virgin's. Half were shut out.'He never knew.
The wheat and the tares.
Paul the apostle said 'Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling'.
The last warning in Jesus revelation to John.
Rev 22: 18 - 21 Amen.
@@onezapmariner.9943 Amen
If your name is it written in the lambs book of life, and you’re not saved, you won’t be taking out of the way either. Jesus above all else and everything else first and foremost..
@@Dbusdriver71 I'm not stupid, but thanks anyway 👍🏼
@@Dbusdriver71 Is your name written there?
There are many in this present time that are publicly announcing that they have walked away from their faith in Jesus and now claiming to be an atheist. This is heart breaking! Let us keep our eyes on Jesus and ask God daily to renew our faith until the end!!!!
This is spot on, I had a four hour disagreement with the pastor on this topic and he kept twisting words when I pressed him on the great tribulation and the rapture. He didn’t want to believe it, he didn’t give me evidence to support his belief and would only try to dismiss mine.
You might want to consider coming out of that church.
I had a similar thing happen. I went to a prophecy conference, and they were all pre tribulation. I had a discussion with one of the teachers afterwards, showing him fro the Bible, and all he could say was “ I don’t see it that way” …nothing else! 😵💫
That makes me think of what Rabbi"s probably do when confronted with Irrefutable evidence on Jesus.. like umm Isaiah 53 cough cough...
Doesn’t matter to me when the rapture is!!! The timing is irrelevant, but the level of twistanity present here is timely.
It's amazing how married people are to the pre-trib rapture. Luke 21:28 people!
This just changed my life.
ruclips.net/video/9ifs4kGli0g/видео.html
More proof from Fai
thank God. Remember, Jesus is oh so worth it. ❤
Thank you Joel for your
faithfulness to the Word.
Pretrib rapture is very appealing to soft Westerners who have been living in relative peace for decades. They see the pretrib rapture in every scripture even though its never stated explicitly.
That's correct. And God rewards people based on what they do. So if you volunteer to put yourself in harm's way, you will receive a greater reward. Way too many post-tribbers sitting on their comfy couches in the USA. What they really should do is lead by example and immediately move to Russia and start a church. See how long Putin bring the tribulation to their doorstep. Sadly, I don't see anyone volunteering.
So I was brought up believing in pretrib, but my thoughts have changed
@@seanc2788 Yes, YOU don't see them volunteering, therefore that means there is no one volunteering? This is a weak argument and I wouldn't use such against pre-trib brethren. The text is our authority and we shouldn't not attack people based on our observations, What does Matthew 6:2 say again?
@@thetower8553 All I know is there are a lot of people in America that hold all sorts of views on eschatology. The majority of them are not moving to a communist country to start a church. Heck they are not even attending church in this country. So that means that people are really not on fire for Christ. Which confirms that we are in the church of Laodicea, the great apostacy. The next event is Revelation 4:1 since no one wants to deny the soft western comforts and follow Christ.
"He who endures to the end, the same shall be saved."
Amen brother. Preach The Word. In season and out of season. We are in a season of lukewarmness and compromise. The church needs a wake up call. Between woke churches and sleeping churches, it is a mess. But God is calling out those who have ears to hear.
Why do you bring the creators name to naught?
Exodus 20:7
7 “You do not bringa the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught. Footnote: aOr lift up, or take.
He told us his name is YHWH (Yahuah) forever.
Exodus 3:15
15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ěl, ‘יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.’
God is a pagan title or a named pagan deity’s nickname. It’s NOT the name of our creator. 😢
@@PureBloodWNC Oh brother.
@@MeTuLHeD so the eyes to see bit is just virtue Christian’ing? Typical and sad unfortunately.
@@PureBloodWNC No. What's sad are all of you God's name cultists who believe that every generation of Christians from today all the way back to the early church fathers got it wrong and went to hell because they didn't use Hebrew transliteration.
God Himself used many different names to refer to Himself. I guess He got it wrong too.
@@MeTuLHeD scripture proving Yahuah is ok with his name being changed? Do you have any or just more opinions?
Are you not assuming the role of the creator in judging me a “cultist”?
James 4:12
12 There is one Lawgiver and Judge, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?
Do you keep Torah or did you nail that to the cross as well? Scripture says Torah is forever.
Psalms 119:44
44 That I might guard Your Torah continually, Forever and ever;
Those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture also claim that the restrainer who will be out of the way, is the Holy Spirit. They also talk about "tribulation saints" who would be new believers born again during the tribulation years. How can this be if the Holy Spirit is not present?
Something does not add up.
No Holy Spirit No Believer's in Jesus Christ and the Word of God
That's correct. The Holy Spirit doesn't leave anywhere, otherwise he would not be omnipresent and therefore not God. That is why those pre-tribbers need to keep studying. It's not even the church that is the restrainer. Many believe that once the church is taken out of the way, then the lawless one comes out. And actually technically it's Jesus Christ who is the restrainer. The Anti-Christ comes out when he is ordered to by Jesus Christ when he breaks the first seal on the scroll.
And yes the Holy Spirit has to be here during the 7 year Tribulation because he woos a ton of people to Christ just like he did the first round. Exept this time he only has 144,000 preaching the gospel instead of 800 million.
The restrainer is one of the angels
From a pure pragmatic point of view. The argument, this warnings are just for Israel, doesn't makes any sense when the great mayority of them are in unbeilive rigth now. The word of God is for all the saints Jews and Gentiles. Thanks man for bringing clarity about these issues with evidence and not mere opinions. God bless you, your family and the body of Christ. Maranatta!
👏 Thank you for caring so deeply for the sheep. Bless you Joel!
The sheep is Israel. Not the BOC
@mis5080
2 Tim 3:1-7 - But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, [b]unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of "gullible women" loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Soon, this year or sometime through the beginning of fall 2027, there will be three days/nights of blackness and darkness as prophesied (Matt 12:39-40) in which the pretrib rapture will occur (Days of Noah; days of Lot; days of Jews' exodus from Egypt, Isaiah 66:7-9; Rev 4:1-2, 12:5). This is the night when no one can work (John 9:4). If you are an apostate believing/espousing lies against Him, you must return to Him by the time of the blackness or darkness or you will be forever separated from Him.
Joel Richardson and Dalton Thomas are full of hypocrisy and are apostates, leading people on the road to hell. They and their followers still have time to repent of their lies (Rev 3:18-21) as the Lord abundantly pardons (Isaiah 55:7).
I do not judge nor condemn you or anyone else. I merely declare the truth. One's own words will either justify or condemn them on that day (Matt 12:37). For Christ will not come to judge the wicked, as the words He has spoken will judge them (John 12:47-48). I warn out of love.
PS: Yes, the BOC are His sheep. Don't believe in any of these charlatans. Return to the Lord.
I am a watchman on the wall for the Lord Jesus Christ
You better preach Joel. This is my homeboy!!!! Because we are both in the same town…..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Seriously Joel, you have done an amazing job helping us with this teaching. I’m having gentle conversations with pre-tribbers and some are slowly seeing the truth.
Is there a method that speaks to them? I ask them how they explain AFTER in Matthew 24 and not until the man is revealed in 2nd Thessalonians and the show me articles like 250 reasons it's pretrib and tell me the Convo is over.
@OligosFew theres the link my dad just sent this to me today. I recently have been studying the Word in search of the truth on this matter and have been led to a post trib view. I definitely feel if you read the Word with no human intervention, you will see post tribulation.
@@7LightInDarkness7 link?
@@OligosFew it wont let me put the link in the chat for some reason sorry
@@7LightInDarkness7 if it's a RUclips or other video streaming perhaps the title and who put it out and I can search for it.
I was born Catholic but was never Catholic. I've basically been Christian my whole life, though. But to me, it seemed so obvious that the "rapture" would happen AFTER the tribulation.
I had no idea that there were whole sects of Protestantism/Christianity that didn't believe this. In fact...some of them were friends I hung out with. And it shocked me that anyone could read the Bible and come to the conclusion that God would take us away and we wouldn't be tested. I felt the ONLY way you could conclude that was if you followed some sort of extra biblical source.
Still believe in a post trip rapture. From Catholicism to Protestantism to the religion of the first church in Jerusalem...this idea of a rapture after the tribulation is one that I have always stuck with.
I think the reason people want to believe this is because they do not want to be around to witness the horrors of what is about to happen in the tribulation. Because it's scary...and there is potential for them to die..or even fall away. who would want to go through that? Much better to read the Bible and get an idea that something else will happen rather than that.
Thank You Joel, For Bringing The Truth,
Scriptually, No Matter The Cost…
That is Being A Warrior, For Our LORD… Honored To Call You Brother…!
Scripture is spiritually discerned! The Truth comes from our Lord!
Apple: what you say is actually biblical. I just can’t think of the scripture right now. It says people will read it but not understand because they do not belong to God. God bless you.
Someone once told me to put the word departure in place of apostasy. I did, but it made no difference. I took it as a departure from faith in Christ.
That’s exactly what it is…….a rebellion against God and Christ.
One difference that I see all of the time is how combative and insulting some pre-trib believers have been to me when all I've ever done is ask questions in an effort to see where their beliefs come from and what backs their claims up because that's not what I get when I read the Bible and I know I could easily be missing something or just plain wrong. But, the major difference is that many of them resort to insulting my ability to read and my intelligence at that point, but it's because they can not answer my questions and they get all confused and flustered when I bring up scripture that contradicts their beliefs. Every single one that I have tried to have a discussion with can quote a handful of lines from the scriptures that they believe back their claims, but if you want to know more they refer you to the pastor who they learned it from because "they can explain dispensationalism better". I find that a little ironic because one of their stock lines to me is always "God is not the author of confusion" which actually is another insult in my opinion. I have to admit, I would be okay with missing out on the tribulation if that was the plan, but I have never gotten that from my reading the Bible thus far. Oh and to cover the "Once saved Always saved" they tell me that the Holy Spirit will guide you down the right path and if a person can walk away from their faith it is because they were never saved in the first place. "Some people think they're saved, but they just had a God experience and weren't actually saved." Thankfully, Joel has answered my questions on where and how they came to this conclusion because I haven't came across anyone who is a pre-trib believer that could explain it to me.
Thank you for pointing out what Pastor MacArthur says about the Mark of the Beast. This is one of the most mind-blowing things I've ever heard a prominent teacher say. His ministry has never disavowed this despite being called upon to do so.
Pastor John McArthur also mistakenly refers to separate groups of saints for the church and the Tribulation. The term tribulation saint is found nowhere in scripture. The term saint is the same throughout all of the Bible.
I would just caution to seek out that quote for yourself. It may be true, it matters not to me but it's a good habit to form to verify what people say other people have said.
@@w4tkn I saw him say this and yet still has not rented. Curious move..
Pastor McArthur also said that if you take "The of the Beast" you can still be saved, so be careful there 😕. The Bible clearly says differently. He's also a "cessationist". He got called out on it by a visitor to his church. Man is man.
@@vickieadams6648 Right, that was the focus of my original comment - that he says you can repent of taking the Mark!
You and Dalton where the first ones to get me to see pre trib was not biblical. I was so shocked bc I was brought up like pre trib was so clear as day in the Bible, I didn't even know people believed anything else. I'm grateful for you guys bc it felt like going through the 5 stages of grief but at the end I realized I wasn't afraid to have to go through the tribulation anymore. If it comes in my lifetime that will be an amazing time to get the gospel out like never before and warn people. People who are martyred get to be with Christ and don't have to endure the rest of literally hell on earth. This broken world will need us when the time comes. Matthew 24, 2nd Thessalonians, and Revelation 7 9-14 make it so clear we will be here.
Marvin Rosenthal back in 1989 switched from Pre-Tribulation to Pre-Wrath. He founded Zions Fire after leaving Pre-Tribbers in Israel My Glory.
Yes! This was me exactly. Thanks for FAI and their sound teachings I truly do not believe in Pre Trib anymore
Yes. Here's another message that really ties it all together with the Old Testament prophecies: ruclips.net/video/c8JpbW6ZvRE/видео.html
@@jeffm8423 Leaving? That's generous indeed. Do you know Marv's whole story? He was given the right foot of fellowship. No room for theological discussion in the dispensational camp.
@@MeTuLHeD Marv was booted out?
The mental gymnastics that pre tribulation teacher have to do to justify their teachings is exhausting. Thanks Joel for the teaching.
What "mental gymnastics"? The Scriptures are clear about The Rapture event, and The Second Coming. What even purpose would God have to 'rapture' His Church out of a Great Tribulation in the middle of it? At the end of it? I hope you are all doing research of your own, in God's Word and with the discernment of the Holy Spirit 🙏❤️
Yeah it's definitely not for the simple. Most should stick with John 3:16. That's a nice good plain scripture.
You have stated your case - if people disregard this - time will tell. Those believers will be very surprised! Hopefully they will change their belief! Lord open everyone’s eyes!🙏
Thanks Joel and FAI ,for the incredible service you guys are doing in such a respectful and lovely manner. Keep the good work. God has raised your ministry for such a time like these.
Amen! These guys have the clearest view of eschatology.
Thank you Joel, great job! I pray the body of Christ heeds your teaching that are clearly based on the WORD!
Blessings to you and the FAI family. I am so grateful the Lord led me to your teachings.
Maranatha
SameHere..thankULordJesus.
Greetings to you again from Croatia brother Joel. You are saying exactly the same as I was explaining to pre-tribers here , but they do not care to hear it , because they are disturbed already , as Paul exactly says that such their teaching does. Disturbed people can not think logically. It is sad , but we must stick with the truth of that what is written in the Word.
Slavko: And those type of Christian’s think they already know everything and that there is no way they could have ever been deceived from the beginning. I hope I never think I know everything about anything because that’s the point when most stop learning. God bless you!
@@alanabakke4310 . In 2.Thes 2:1-4 Paul is saying that such teaching will make people who believe it, that it will make them disturbed and that their mind will be agitated. Greek words σαλευθηναι and θροεισθαι mean; to be agitated and to be disturbed. And that is the phsychological state of those who blindly believe in pri-trib rapture. Sadly here in Croatia and on territory of all former Yugoslavia it is teaching in all churches , which are small in numbers, and that kind of teaching is catastrofic for unity and cooperation . For that reason they are all ignoring me , and I am mostly alone without fellowship.And that kind of teaching caries with it other deviations of life and belief.
Thank you so much for your teaching, I now understand the post tribulation rapture theory, makes pure sense, only 1 coming of the Lord, best wishes from Africa
Yes, one pastor didn’t think I was saved because I believe in post tribulation transformation.
Hey brother Joel...great episode! Scripture couldn't make it any clearer. Great job laying it all out.
We love your channel also, great work for the Kingdom!
@@ruggedlifejewelry Praise God!
Thanks for this, its compelling. Ive been pre-trib and eternal security all my life. I've been studying this the last couple months and Im coming to your conclusions.
The Lord had showed us these things in the scriptures. It is SO clear. My husband preached a clear sermon about it, but the people prefer to cling to their mindset. One woman said to us : "YOU are waiting for the Antichrist, I am waiting for Jesus "! Very glad to hear confirmation of all that the Lord showed us.
People are greatly deceived
Thank you. When I first studied the passages about the Second Coming and he Rapture, I came to the same conclusion as you. But recently being exposed to many pre-Tribulation rapture teachers, including those teaching that apostosia means departure and those teaching once saved always saved (OSAS), I had some doubts. Your words give me more strength to continue as I believe.
Dank u Joel, het is heel belangrijk om gods woord aan te nemen zoals wij het mogen lezen en verstaan
het doet mij pijn dat deze misleiding" the prerapture" in de gemeente van christus is verspreid en het is demoniche
De Heer vraagt ons te volharden door the tribulation heen en daar is gebed en volharding op de eerste plaats voor nodig
DE bijbelstudie over dit thema is HEEL belangrijk voor onze zusters en broeders die misleid zijn en dit als de prerapture uitblijft en dit gebeuren uitblijft en kan dit als excues gaan gebruiken om van geloof in de heer af te dwalen nogmaals wij danken de Heer voor de gezegende woorden van broeder Joel
Amen sister. So many so called faithful pretribbers will fall away when they realize they are in the great tribulation and will follow Anti-Christ plans to be "saved" from harm if they follow his fake comfort plan by taking his MoB...so many American Christians don't want any kind of discomfort and will not believe they actually are to endure the worldwide great tribulation that many in other countries already face so much n heavy persecution.
So many cotton candy Christians...that may fall away so they don't gave to endure hardship.
Thankyou.I really hope people will listen.
You’re covering many hard topics. I appreciate your bravery. May God reward you for your scholarship and diligence.
It is now soo blatantly obvious we are now falling headlong into the apostasy 😢
A message we all need to hear. Good stuff
Amen. Simple and straightforward. I pray that those who are currently deceived will accept this teaching and set their minds on endurance to the end.
The great falling away from truth is already here, there is very little left!
So true it like all prophesy happens more like a dripping faucet as opposed to suddenly
Ty brother for your faith and work, God bless you
I appreciate so much Joel Richardson discussing this extremely important subject using scripture to prove when the rapture will actually happen, it is so clear and undeniable we must endure until his coming. As scripture states, Prove all things and hold fast that which is good. Thank you Joel for another valuable teaching.
My pastor is a pretribber. I've let him know my view in brief and offered to have the talk about why I believe what I believe. He said no because he has the truth from the Bible. Made my heart sink.
@@seasquawker I don't. I believe the core of his teaching of the cross is correct and anointed. So this is not something I would turn my back on him. Nor will I strive to make my point:)
@@BloodCovenant Many of the Pastors know what they are teaching is incorrect, but teach it anyway, because it's how they get paid. And it's how they were trained
@@scott596 For sure it is what he has been taught. As far as getting paid, he gets a stipend, so he is not a pastor for the money:)
Blood Covenant: if he’s so confident he should have shared scripture with you to try to show YOU the truth rather than saying he knew the truth. It’s because he has nothing to share with you that biblically supports his opinion. Pastors were indoctrinated before they indoctrinated us. It’s a sort of arrogance or egoism to think that oneself is above deception…….so certain that they wouldn’t even pray and ask God to show them if they have. There is no humbleness for them regarding truth and knowledge into the things of God because in their minds…….they are too holy to be deceived. And they think they already know everything. I think I’m telling my experience with this issue here. Lol. I think you hit a nerve by mentioning this topic. Lol. I feel your pain. I don’t go to church anymore. I don’t recommend the church no if today. I have learned way more biblical truths in my past 12 years by studying and researching scripture and asking God to help me with understanding, than I did going to church my entire life. The more truth i find, the more I realize how little I learned about truth in church. God bless you.
@@seasquawker : yes, “they perish because they love not the truth that would save them. “ one of my favorites. Thanks for sharing. God bless you.
Beautiful teaching, Joel...may our hearts burst into unquenchable flames for Him and our neighbors! Blessings to you and your always ♥
What a meaty presentation. So much here to pray and reflect on, I've listened to it several times now.
Excellent Joel!!
So excellent!
Joel dont apologised for speaking boldly. I need it and so do others!!
A study steeped in Scripture. Hold on and endure!! May Yah give us strength!! HalleluYah!!!
Awesome! Thank you for your boldness to speak your message. Holy Spirit has dotted the i's and crossed the t's.
Pls can someone pray for Scott, peter and sheila I’m praying for all here. Thanku!!
Great message! I'm still praying for one last revival.
@bertlorenz4203
You are going through a great revival, as being part of the great apostasy for Satan. Satan's numbers are growing, as he takes the Lord's flock captive (Jer 13:17) such that when the Lord returns in a pre-trib rapture He says will there be anyone on the Earth of the faith (Luke 18:8). One merely reads 2 Peter 2:1-22 to see the secret, destructive apostasy such that the Lord call you and those like you vomitous male dogs and filthily-mired female pigs. I did not say that. The Lord Jesus Christ did.
Soon, this year or sometime through the beginning of fall 2027, there will be three days/nights of blackness and darkness as prophesied (Matt 12:39-40) in which the pretrib rapture will occur (Days of Noah; days of Lot; days of Jews' exodus from Egypt, Rev 4:1-2, 12:5). This is the night when no one can work (John 9:4). If you are an apostate believing/espousing lies against Him, you must return to Him by the time of the blackness or darkness or you will be forever separated from Him. I do not judge nor condemn you or anyone else. I merely declare the truth. One's own words will either justify or condemn them on that day (Matt 12:37). For Christ will not come to judge the wicked, as the words He has spoken will judge them (John 12:47-48). I warn out of love.
Joel Richardson and Dalton Thomas are full of hypocrisy and are apostates, leading people on the road to hell. They and their followers still have time to repent of their lies (Rev 3:18-21) as the Lord abundantly pardons (Isaiah 55:7).
I am a watchman on the wall for my Lord Jesus Christ.
Thank you so much for verifying and explaining in detail what I already learned through study. God bless you for what you are teaching. ❤
This teaching is SO AWESOME! Thank you so much!
I have found some good teaching/fellowship online - Last Trumpet Teaching Ministry; Watchers of Truth, BlessedHope with Joe Schimmel; just wish I could find it in person! I know many Christians but have not physically met anyone else that is pre-trib and less than a handful that realize we are in the end times. Very spiritually lonely, thankful for online fellowship while we have it still!
I meant I have not met anyone else that is post-trib. Almost everyone I know is pre-trib
Besides Joel&Dalton..ChrisMantei, SoniaAzam7, ReggieKelly, ArmageddonNews people, MarkDavidson.
We are likely in the last decade of this age and if we are not then the watchers have got it all wrong and that includes me.
@@1coramdeo All the Christians I know are either pre-trib, a-mil, or say eschatology doesnt really matter and do not have a position.
@GameliEL Auceps Sad, but I agree most Christians seem to be asleep re the signs of the end of times
Good luck being good enough. I believe the Bible. Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.
Even the demons believe and tremble in fear.
@@MeTuLHeD the problem with that is they have not been offered the blood of Jesus. They knew God and rejected Him. If we reject Him we cant go to Heaven. The demons have already been judged.
@@joannmutschler9112 The "problem" with what? The problem with Scripture??? You are COMPLETELY ignoring the context and intent of James 2:19 to make some irrelevant point about demons.
The point of that passage (and many others in The New Testament) is that faith cannot be divorced from works. If faith is divorced from works, then it is not true faith and therefore cannot save. "Faith without works is dead, being alone." And therein lies the problem with much of what passes for faith in evangelical Christianity today. It is faith without works. Therefore it is dead.
@@MeTuLHeD if what i said was irrelevant then we have no discussion. Why assume that someone with faith would have no works? Because of their faith they have works. John 6:28-29 Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." Also Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness. Note not his work of faith but his faith. Open the Bible.
@@MeTuLHeD i found James 2. I see what your saying! Sorry. My only concern is that works dont save. Only the blood of Jesus. We do need to serve God and obey his word. Remember the thief on the cross had no works. We probably agree a lot more than i understood. 😁
Gosh you’ve said some things in this message that I was glad to hear , because that’s how I understood the scriptures. Thank you so much I’m going to start watching this Chanel I feel so blessed to find this .
Thank you Joel. I appreciate you and Dalton. ❤️ Maranatha
Well done.
Here's a comfort for you faithful brother Joel,
You were mentioning ME there when you said that if 5 people are helped with the dangers of what I have been taught for so long about this erroneous understanding, and the expressed black and white statements of our holy scriptures our LORD spoke of and his apostles and prophets concerning his coming return.
Not only you all but also the prompting of the Holy Spirit through my own conscience and God given intelligence, taking heed to such warnings of dear friends and brethren in many places. Praise God for the words of the wisest man King Solomon. (Until our LORD Yeshua of course)
Proverbs 18:13 "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is a folly and a shame onto him."
🤔You know?😒😏🤨
Just wanted to thank you again and bring you comfort and encouragement.
Please all of you prayers are for how to begin to share my disagreement with them who I fellowship with.
Also difficulties with my wayward son seduced with the dangers of what is *medicinal * and what the culture is propagating. 🤭🤥🥸🧐😳
Grace and Peace. MARANATHA!
I read that one of Satan’s biggest lies is “There’s always time.”
Actually when Satan came to me, he said there IS no time. That was 2020, I believed it and it turned out to very destructive in my life.
@@Endtimeprophecy11 I’m so sorry for what you had to go through. I just meant we always think there’s time to change things later, procrastination in sin thinking we have time to get things right when we’re ready to do it
@@pattydaulton4379 I totally understand what your saying, In that aspect…yes I agree 😳
I love it. Yeah, don't worry about an imminent rapture. You still have 7 years left!!! ha ha ha ha ha right from the pit of hell.
Excellent!
Excellent presentation, Joel.
Thank you and God bless.
Amen!
Whether it’s pre Trib or post Trib. Just stay with Jesus. It doesn’t matter. Be prepared one way or another.
It most certainly does matter. One is truth the other is not truth, which = a lie.
@@timbrown5432 Really well I believe in pre tribulation. You should hope I’m right. If I’m wrong so be it God is in control!! He is God and we are not. It’s man’s interpretation and understanding.
@@kympsa23
Intended in love...
Matthew 24
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “TAKE HEED 👉that no one deceives you.👈
5 For MANY will come in My name, saying,
‘I am the Christ,’ AND WILL DECEIVE MANY .
2nd Thessalonians 2
1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM, we ask you,
2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 👉3 Let no one deceive you by any means;👈 for that Day WILL NOT COME unless THE FALLING AWAY COMES FIRST,
👉and the man of sin is revealed,👈
the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
1st Thessalonians 4
16 For the Lord Himself
👉will descend from heaven WITH A SHOUT, with the VOICE OF AN ARCHANGEL, and with THE TRUMPET OF GOD.👈
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Daniel Chapter 11
The Northern King’s Blasphemies
29 “At the appointed time he shall return and go toward the south; but it shall not be like the former or the latter.
30 For ships from Cyprus shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage.
“So he shall return 👉and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant.👈
31 And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.
32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but 👉the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.👈
33 👉And those of the people who understand shall instruct many;
yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame,
by captivity and plundering.
34 Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue.
35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, TO REFINE THEM, PURIFY THEM, AND MAKE THEM WHITE,
👉until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.👈
☝️
Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 24
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;
👉but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.👈
Matthew 24
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 👉Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,👈 and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and 👉they will see
the Son of Man coming👈 on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 👉And He will send His angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they 👉will gather together His elect👈 from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1st Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, 👉at the last trumpet.👈 For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
God bless y'all. I'm dyslexic and starting to read the word always taught rapture came first by a lot of people. Thank yall.
Judgement day. Everyone’s invited. Following FAI for 7 years. So far everything is coming true. It’s not just our trouble.
I started believing pretrib is false after I started reading and studying the Bible, don't find pretrib,, 2 thess 2 so planning clear
Amen Joel, thank you for the teaching. God bless, brother.
We just got to hang on brothers 🙏 and sisters to our loving King Jesus 💟
Folks, we need to fast and ask God for his Armor and also for THE GIFTS OF HEALINGS🙏
This should be a banger
I purchased logos and started studding diligently and pre-trib rapture had to go. it's BAD DOCTRINE based solely on the scriptures. Was so surprised at the number of scholars I looked up to who taught it. I felt terribly deceived by them and foolish that I had quoted them.
I have had prophetic dreams and visions before I even knew about bible. So after my visions I started to do the research and I discovered that my visions match perfectly with Matthew 24. That was the first time I believed in Jesus Christ (in 2015). In my rapture dream I have been snatched a split of second before being destroyed with fire and I knew that everything was being destroyed by the Lord with consuming fire.
Either way we should be ready for the Lords’ day every moment, be faithful to him always, love our brothers and sisters and believe in Jesus and serve him only, being led by Holy Spirit! ❤
Thank you for your message 🙏 it makes sense.
Rant? ? Don't be sorry as it is so needed at this time.
You have helped what I am already convicted of in my heart and I have felt so alone in my convictions.
I am so blessed that i started crying just listening to your teaching.
I love you guys, thank you for speaking the TRUTH boldly!
It’s definitely possible. I’ve been through a tough season. I have been accusing him of lying…yet, he has humbled me so much. I have realized that he wasn’t the one who was lying 🥺. It was others and myself who was lying. Instead of answering the questions I asked him, he gave me wisdom. Thank you Lord. Keep me in your endurance and I hope to meet you face to face one day. Maranatha 🥹
Anchor: God bless you sweetie. It’s like a slap in the face when you start finding out all the things we were deceived about in church. It made and still makes me angry at times…….all the deception. But, what an absolute gift from God that He opened our eyes to the truth. I’m proud of you. It’s hard to face. God bless you!
Let God's word be true and every man a liar
Apostasy is abounding
Thank you Joel. Great stuff. The light needs to be shined on the pre-trib that it is more deadly than it thought to be. We need to be prepared!!
Thank you for preaching the hard truth that is in opposition to the water downed liberal theology that is in grave error.
Amen on the comments about John MacArthur! So refreshing! I am not a charismatic, but I'm not a cessationist either. We go to a Calvinist leaning church because it's the most biblical church we have found so far, but man they put that man on such a pedestal it's crazy. It's also pre-trib AND Dispensational so...yeah.
If once saved always saved, then why would there be passages of Scripture like Psalm 69:28 & Revelation 3:5 that speak of one's name being blotted out of the Book of Life? Selah
Every man (woman) that was every created starts out with their name in the book of life. It gets blotted out when you die in your sins (without Christ) because at that point your fate has been sealed.
Give it up. The OSAS cultists are deluded. They read every Scripture through a grid. You will never convince them that the Biblical warnings against apostasy are truly warnings against apostasy.
Excellent teaching on 2 Thess 2:3. I don't know how much clearer a scripture can be that these warnings must come to pass 1st. My pastor and many others are always telling the congregation nothing has to take place for the rapture to happen. Moreover the hyper dispensationlist always bring up Matthew 24 is only for the Jewish people as you mentioned. I've tried to bring up several clear scriptures to some pre-tribulation teachers and they never change their view. I certainly pray one will heed to your teaching.
Boy, I love you. You tell it like it is and you tell what JESUS says, because you have a calling to prepare others to be a part of the “ Coming Kingdom”. Your rant is all true so you keep it up.
Fathers can't go home and tell their children, "Guess what kids, we get to go through the great tribulation. Hallelujah!" That seem crazy to them.
I guess the apostles and their families were crazy then. Because they had to tell their children "if we faithfully follow Jesus we will be hated by members of our own family and hounded from city to city and town to town".
This was probably one of my favorite sessions! It's so funny Joel talked about how people need this long page to convince someone the bible really says this. Here Joel is doing sessions on LOOK JUST READ it's right here the bible says this! Let scripture interpret scripture! I always recommend FAI and tell them how scripture backed FAI is. I am taking notes, we are reading the bible with our children and hoping to teach them just like this. Cant wait for the next one! God bless you ❤
Right after he says just read it he breaks into a five minute discussion on Gnosticism.
Someone I know once called it "intellectually lazy" to believe in the pre-trib rapture. I think it's exactly the opposite. You have to work really hard to try and string that idea together. It's more like intellectual gymnastics than laziness.
Hi Joel ! Thanks a lot for one more GREAT bible study !!! I wish my fellow brethren in Brasil would listen to you guys and reconsider there beliefs. Unfortunately most popular denominations also teaches pre-trib rapture and most people who attend churches are deceived as it's a "more convenient" doctrine to hold on to. It's very sad indeed.
You're great and bold teachers, precious vessels in the hands of our Lord Jesus !!! 🙌🏻 May He keep protecting and blessing you all !!! 🙌🏻
So reassuring to find that Joel seems to believe what I believe, that we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling, we must pick up our cross and endure to the end, even though sometimes it gets so painful we feel like quitting. Again I happily concur with Joel in obeying the clear teaching of Jesus and not the head in the clouds spouting of the OSAS brigade. Many are called but few are chosen. Is that not enough of a warning to keep us clinging to that narrow road to life!
you got it. Through tribulation we get refined to our best selves
Loved the rant!!!
The Greek word "apostasia" means "departure," "forsaking," "defection," or "apostasy." It is often translated as "falling away" in English. This is what I get. I think its a falling away from the truth, a spiritual darkness.
Joel this was an amazing teaching. Something has changed in you. We are seeing a softer Joel. I think many if us are softer now than a few years ago. I see it myself too.
Thanks for this great message!!
Amen brother👏🏽👏🏽
Again I say that many within the Pre-Trib camp are turning into a cult.
yes they are.
Hallelujah! Narrow is the way that leads to life and few there are that find it!!!
@@jimmyray5524 Yeah most people don't even realize that pre-trib only makes up about 24% of the body of Christ. Post-Trib and A-Mil are the largest groups. That should tell you something.
I fear you may be right, they even use the "rightly dividing the word of truth" signature response, very chilling stuff.
Agreed 💯. Thank you.
Great discussion. So thoughtful and
Informative. Thank you!
I live in Tishomingo, OK and of need of a good church that is like this.
Great series Joel! Could you address Paul's intent in Eph 1:13-14 where he says we are sealed with the Spirit as an earnest of the inheritance? I have walked away from dispensationalism in the last year and working through verses that held me in this deception.
We are grafted into God's family. The seal of the spirit identifies us as legitimate children. The holy spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are sons of God. It is that bit of us that is the new creation in Messiah. We are like a seed that is buried when we die but there is that little kernel inside that will resurrect.
Revelation clearly says the saints will be here through the great tribulation.
Yes but they disavowed them as not being part of the church, "tribulation saints" they are so-called, "foolish virgins" even. They are even saved in a different way other than grace through faith, but works i.e getting martyred. May the Lord deliver them from dispensationalism and the pre-tribulation delusion .
I have always leaned towards a post tribulation rapture. This convinces me.
I have been so blessed since coming across this ministry. 🙏🏼💗🙌🏼🕊👑
Though I do believe scriptures says we CAN KNOW that we are saved.
1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.