Do you think this was unique to America or something? You know there are still parts of the world that throw gays off roofs and stone them in the streets today, right?
@@archipelago9376 - I think the difference is that we expect better of America. We tout the U.S. as a country of freedoms. And yet time and again, we have surpessed the freedom of those whom we feel use it wrongly.
@@waynefeller8824 and we've always moved in the RIGHT DIRECTION. I mean my god, do you even realize the US is the OLDEST DEMOCRACY on Earth? Do you realized things like slavery existed for centuries BEFORE the US even existed? Including white Europeans enslaving other white Europeans and Native American tribes enslaving other Native American tribes?? And do you also realized that it was only the SOUTHERN states that ever allowed for slavery? None of this makes the bad things in US history excusable, but my god you people are either uneducated, naive, myopic, just plain stupid, or all of the above
@@archipelago9376 - I get where you are coming from. I do. We aren't the only country that has committed these atrocities. And like you said, there are other countries that continue to commit horrid acts. As a country, and as a world, like you I believe we are headed in the right direction, for the most part. But that does not justify our past atrocities. Nor does it excuse the fact that a country that boasts of being the most free has often limited those freedoms to others for arbitrary reasons, often with flimsy excuses. You accuse others of myopia, but you appear guilty of it yourself. You try to justify America's past sins by saying, "well what about country X? Hey, at least we aren't as bad as country Y." But this is the type of excuse children use. Children often justify their own bad behaviour by pointing out a child that did something worse. But mature adults don't do this. Adults can look at the immorality of their own past behaviour, without justifying it by throwing others under the bus. They know in a vacuum that immoral behaviour continues to be immoral, regardless of the acts of others. They can accept they did wrong, even if others did worse. Could you imagine an adult trying such an excuse in court? Lol! "I know I was angry and killed someone your honour. Bit hey at least it was only one guy! Look at Dahmer! He killed a bunch of people, AND ate them! So, are we cool?" As adults, we don't justify our own sin by pointing out the sins of others. These people aren't being myopic. They are taking ownership of our country's mistakes, rather than making the childish excuses you would tend to proffer, in order to overlook centuries of racism, sexism, and other prejudices. I think the real issue is that we can see the good in the U.S., while simultaneously acknowledging the bad, both past and present. We don't have to gloss over, or forget, our history in order to acknowledge the good America has done. It isn't an either/or situation. It isn't either America is good, or not. America can be a great country that has done horrible things in the past. To ignore the good, or the bad, is to turn the U.S. into a caricature of what it truly is.
@@urielmartinez2161 Liberation by any means necessary. If your support for justice is dependent on people fighting for justice always being nonviolent in every situation, congratulations - I don't trust you. Even MLK said that a riot is the language of the unheard.
I was in Iowa at the time and only learnt about the riot because I was reading the Village Voice and the East Village Other. I've asked the man who wrote "The Rise and Fall of the GLF" when he had heard about Stonewall. He was still living in England at the time and said that he heard about a couple months later when an underground newspaper printed a story about it. I've never found anyone who wasn't living in NYC, or reading the alternative press at the time who learnt about riot until well after the Gay Liberation Movement started spreading across the world. There were many other uprisings and riots before Stonewall but like heros Stonewall was made great by it's posterity pointing back to it and declaring, 'There we began."
Stonewall was a bunch of drunken gay kids having an all night party on Christopher Street, after the cops raided the bar, there were some arrests and then they hopped into there police cars and left. The 'riot" was at Sheridan Square. The cops didn't take the screaming gay kids seriously and then there were a few drunken kids shouting. As the party went into the next morning, everyone later on (in true gay fashion) exeggerated the raid into some kind of historical turning point. The whole thing is a joke. Funnier still, when I go to the marches and see old queens wearing "Veterans of Stonewall' pins and shirts. It's like saying 'Veterans of a fun/drunken night at Sheridan Square '. (BTW; the weekend nights at Sheridan Square in the mid 70's was the greatest, most surreal place in the universe! It was the hight point of my life. People back then knew how to have fun. Youth gay people today are like uptight little grandmothers.) REMEMBER THIS: "When the legend becomes the fact print the legend."
I'm so hurt and pissed watching this video. Someone's always trying to tell you what you feel and should be and feel. I'm so happy that they said "NO MORE" and stood up for themselves. I wish black people could one day do the same and have folks running but we would probably be shot down in numbers. This incident however should never happen again! You have a right to be whomever you are regardless to who agrees or not!
Insane what was once accepted normal behavior. It still goes on today but it’s certainly a way better time to be open and gay than it was in the 50s and 60s!
Sad but this is year 2023 and I’m proud to be A single gay man and rip to my mom 57 years old and she loved me as her son and accepted me for being gay and my other two brothers in heaven accepted and loved me to invest in another with a man and it’s a mental institution maximum-security just because he was gay …. Y’all hate crime against LGBTQ+ people will never bring us down or let people think we are not normal and we are sins… I love the lord and he loves us aswell.
Its weird, how do you just raid a bar where guys are just having a drink and socializing? You dont even know that everyone there is gay but what does it matter, simply being gay, ie having a same sex attraction wasnt illegal. Wouldnt basic freedom of expression and association come into play?
It's remarkable how Dr. Socarides could've been so wrong about virtually everything concerning homosexuality. I'm sure the man was a brilliant thinker but he really couldn't grasp the etiology of homosexuality (specifically male homosexuality). And lastly, his own son is gay! Talk about irony!!
Homophobes cannot be reasoned with. You cannot reason someone whose beliefs are not grounded in reason. Violence is the only way to cure the pestilence that is bigotry and free the world from hate.
Friedrich Nietzsche once said "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." resorting to violence that isn't in self defense, puts you at risk of filling yourself with hate and you may find yourself no better than the hateful you fight. I won't stop you from fighting but it may be a good idea for you to keep that in mind. Violence only begets violence and perpetuates an endless cycle of hate and revenge, you wouldn't get very far if your goal is to change the world for the better.
LMAOO! Those old propaganda videos and their commentary. So it was okay to smoke in front of your children because that was normal when now is a crime..
Stonewall didn't start anything. San Francisco in particular led the charge for Gay Rights. When Stonewall occurred, the New York press gave it national coverage: and thereafter, led by San Francisco, the varied and disparate efforts coalesced to form the modern Gay Rights movement. San Francisco has been at the vanguard of the movement, while New York has been largely absent. The New York press is trying to hijack history and recast New York in the role that San Francisco actually played in the struggle for Gay Rights. Undeserved and Stolen Valor!!!
You just completely contradicted yourself. You just stated above, that the New York Press gave it "national coverage", and then thereafter lead by San Francisco. So, in your own words, Stonewall *DID* start the movement and then San Francisco just took the lead thereafter. Either way, it was gross and it set a horrible example for our children back then, which is why we're in the situation we're in today.
@@gregpresley1466 Compton Cafeteria Riots in San Francisco occurred before Stonewall, and the movement was well underway before Stonewall. Just because the New York press gave Stonewall national coverage does not mean Stonewall started a movement that was already ongoing. It just means New York wants to run to the head of the parade and pretend as if it led the parade
There's a reason why so many dark events occurred in 1969. It was also the year dedicated to the evil and sexual immorality of the Ishtar demon where the LGBT prideful spirit stems from. There are thousands of people that have been delivered from it and live full great lives after finding Jesus with no desire for pesticide truths or staying in their past bondage. With Jesus there's freedom from this bondage.
What are yoy talking about? Newsli e uas done multiple episodes on abortion, including pro-life campaigners whose parents almost aborted them. Do your research.
i find this the most chilling example of authorities and medical profession's attitude and treatment of gay people - and can see obvious parallels with the banal and profoundly destructive way that those young and vulnerable people diagnosed as "trans" are being treated by also self-deluded medical professionals today..
We did watch the same video, right? The one where they said that gay people were given drugs that simulated drowning and their brains were damaged to a point where they were "walking vegetables"? During conversion therapy people were tortured and the entire procedure went against their own will and well-being. Taking hormones and having gender affirming surgery is the complete opposite of that. Trans people choose to transition medically in order to improve their well-being and in comparison to conversion therapy there actually is scientific proof that transitioning is effective in improving trans people's mental health. We both agree that what happened (and still happens) to gay people is terrible, but I encourage you to look into the trans experience because trans issues can be confusing when you're not familiar with the subject and when you've never heard trans people's perspectives.
@@michaeladuvivier4732 "Trans people choose to transition medically in order to improve their well-being" what is most chilling is that continuing naive mantra - that mistreatment is for the persons own good.. back in the day - i think that you will also find that the victim at some stage signed a document allowing the torture..
@@michaeladuvivier4732 "there actually is scientific proof that transitioning is effective in improving trans people's mental health." it may be the case that in some instances - it is the best way for some people to come to terms with their psychological condition.. but there are also many people that testify that the destructive and irreversible surgery was a terrible mistake and that they wish that they had had proper counselling for their psychological issues instead having their bodies carved up..
When there is no justice, laws become meaningless. You wont succeed trying to impose your homophobia and transphobia on a united people. LGBTQIA+ liberation - by any means necessary.
Great to see Dr. Charles Socarides. He was way ahead for his time, closely behind Edmund Bergler. He did help many men to discover their long repressed heterosexuality by resolving their traumas.
There still is reparative therapy that works on gay men. They would marry women, father children and live a normal happy life style. Nothing wrong with it.
This type of "therapy" leads to depression, addiction, and suicide. There is something very wrong with trying to brainwash a person to be something unatural to their nature. Go back to the Dark Ages for God sake.
Unjust laws deserve to be broken. I hope you have learned this, or at the very least learn how to think a bit for yourself, in the 3 years since you wrote your comment. If you can't stand up to unjust laws, then you can't have justice. Every major human freedom is paid with blood, because those who don't wish you to have them, don't care for you, nor do they respond to reason. They bend to fear or are ousted when people stand up to them. If peace doesn't work, you're left with violence as a means to promote change. It is unfortunate, but also unavoidable as long as we let unreasonable people grab power. Those who carry the mentality that "rules are rules", are the enemy of the people. Plenty of people have said that they just followed the rules. From cops today all the way back to people who committed what we today consider to be war crimes. You are a part of the problem if you just stand by and watch. You are a part of the problem if you go along, rather than asking yourself if what you're doing or is asked to do, is right or wrong. Rules are obviously very important for the foundation of any society, but not all of them deserve to be followed. Law does not determine morality. We don't need laws to know that society at large benefits from equality.
It's so sickening to think about the atrocities that happened here in America just decades ago.
Do you think this was unique to America or something? You know there are still parts of the world that throw gays off roofs and stone them in the streets today, right?
@@archipelago9376 - I think the difference is that we expect better of America. We tout the U.S. as a country of freedoms. And yet time and again, we have surpessed the freedom of those whom we feel use it wrongly.
@@waynefeller8824 and we've always moved in the RIGHT DIRECTION. I mean my god, do you even realize the US is the OLDEST DEMOCRACY on Earth? Do you realized things like slavery existed for centuries BEFORE the US even existed? Including white Europeans enslaving other white Europeans and Native American tribes enslaving other Native American tribes?? And do you also realized that it was only the SOUTHERN states that ever allowed for slavery? None of this makes the bad things in US history excusable, but my god you people are either uneducated, naive, myopic, just plain stupid, or all of the above
@@archipelago9376 - I get where you are coming from. I do. We aren't the only country that has committed these atrocities. And like you said, there are other countries that continue to commit horrid acts. As a country, and as a world, like you I believe we are headed in the right direction, for the most part.
But that does not justify our past atrocities. Nor does it excuse the fact that a country that boasts of being the most free has often limited those freedoms to others for arbitrary reasons, often with flimsy excuses.
You accuse others of myopia, but you appear guilty of it yourself. You try to justify America's past sins by saying, "well what about country X? Hey, at least we aren't as bad as country Y." But this is the type of excuse children use. Children often justify their own bad behaviour by pointing out a child that did something worse.
But mature adults don't do this. Adults can look at the immorality of their own past behaviour, without justifying it by throwing others under the bus. They know in a vacuum that immoral behaviour continues to be immoral, regardless of the acts of others.
They can accept they did wrong, even if others did worse. Could you imagine an adult trying such an excuse in court? Lol! "I know I was angry and killed someone your honour. Bit hey at least it was only one guy! Look at Dahmer! He killed a bunch of people, AND ate them! So, are we cool?" As adults, we don't justify our own sin by pointing out the sins of others.
These people aren't being myopic. They are taking ownership of our country's mistakes, rather than making the childish excuses you would tend to proffer, in order to overlook centuries of racism, sexism, and other prejudices.
I think the real issue is that we can see the good in the U.S., while simultaneously acknowledging the bad, both past and present. We don't have to gloss over, or forget, our history in order to acknowledge the good America has done. It isn't an either/or situation. It isn't either America is good, or not. America can be a great country that has done horrible things in the past. To ignore the good, or the bad, is to turn the U.S. into a caricature of what it truly is.
And are still happening
When Injustice Becomes Law, Resistance Always Becomes a Duty. ✊
Aka protest like pusssies lol
YAAAAS!!!! As a person that fought in NYC in the 90’s I approve this message! 🥰🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
Sic semper tyranis
Rule 303
Pfff… what am I supposed to do? Be scared of cowardly queers that can’t act like a man? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is a perfect example of how
Rioting can bring about change against atrocities, what’s going on in Minnesota is great
As long it's in their neighborhood not in my barrio. We don't burn them.down.
No, not rioting, peaceful protest, MLK did it without violence
@@urielmartinez2161 Liberation by any means necessary. If your support for justice is dependent on people fighting for justice always being nonviolent in every situation, congratulations - I don't trust you. Even MLK said that a riot is the language of the unheard.
I still don't get the difference between Uprising and Rioting. Can anyone please explain it?
I was in Iowa at the time and only learnt about the riot because I was reading the Village Voice and the East Village Other. I've asked the man who wrote "The Rise and Fall of the GLF" when he had heard about Stonewall. He was still living in England at the time and said that he heard about a couple months later when an underground newspaper printed a story about it. I've never found anyone who wasn't living in NYC, or reading the alternative press at the time who learnt about riot until well after the Gay Liberation Movement started spreading across the world. There were many other uprisings and riots before Stonewall but like heros Stonewall was made great by it's posterity pointing back to it and declaring, 'There we began."
Stonewall was a bunch of drunken gay kids having an all night party on Christopher Street, after the cops raided the bar, there were some arrests and then they hopped into there police cars and left. The 'riot" was at Sheridan Square. The cops didn't take the screaming gay kids seriously and then there were a few drunken kids shouting. As the party went into the next morning, everyone later on (in true gay fashion) exeggerated the raid into some kind of historical turning point. The whole thing is a joke. Funnier still, when I go to the marches and see old queens wearing "Veterans of Stonewall' pins and shirts. It's like saying 'Veterans of a fun/drunken night at Sheridan Square '. (BTW; the weekend nights at Sheridan Square in the mid 70's was the greatest, most surreal place in the universe! It was the hight point of my life. People back then knew how to have fun. Youth gay people today are like uptight little grandmothers.)
REMEMBER THIS: "When the legend becomes the fact print the legend."
I'm so hurt and pissed watching this video. Someone's always trying to tell you what you feel and should be and feel. I'm so happy that they said "NO MORE" and stood up for themselves. I wish black people could one day do the same and have folks running but we would probably be shot down in numbers. This incident however should never happen again! You have a right to be whomever you are regardless to who agrees or not!
You just know that the girl who asked " do you think there are any happy gay relationships?" Is a lesbian
Where's the second part?? I was really enjoying this; I love these PBS documentaries!
Insane what was once accepted normal behavior. It still goes on today but it’s certainly a way better time to be open and gay than it was in the 50s and 60s!
4:25 sounds like the voice of long-time 60 Minutes host Mike Wallace, father of Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace.
That’s because it was mike wallace
America has always been 50 yrs. behind. Nothing new here.
Sad but this is year 2023 and I’m proud to be A single gay man and rip to my mom 57 years old and she loved me as her son and accepted me for being gay and my other two brothers in heaven accepted and loved me to invest in another with a man and it’s a mental institution maximum-security just because he was gay …. Y’all hate crime against LGBTQ+ people will never bring us down or let people think we are not normal and we are sins… I love the lord and he loves us aswell.
🏳️🌈👞
A friend said he recieved a letter from the CDC by mistake saying they have ordered thousands of plastic CASKETS. WHY ? What is that about ?
I watched this DVD just now. It really moved me!
Its weird, how do you just raid a bar where guys are just having a drink and socializing? You dont even know that everyone there is gay but what does it matter, simply being gay, ie having a same sex attraction wasnt illegal. Wouldnt basic freedom of expression and association come into play?
I wonder how many cops had a kid or younger relative in there that they didn't understand 😢
Cops and gays all sport that same beefcake mustache (2:06 three cops in a row). I've always wondered about that.
Great observation!
A lot of men had mustaches back than, it was the fashion at the time
bruh them doctors was wildin
No one talked about how it was owned by the mafia and how the bar violates health codes?
It's remarkable how Dr. Socarides could've been so wrong about virtually everything concerning homosexuality. I'm sure the man was a brilliant thinker but he really couldn't grasp the etiology of homosexuality (specifically male homosexuality). And lastly, his own son is gay! Talk about irony!!
“Blacks in the south” sir please
right wtf
When was that mentioned?
Homophobes cannot be reasoned with. You cannot reason someone whose beliefs are not grounded in reason. Violence is the only way to cure the pestilence that is bigotry and free the world from hate.
Friedrich Nietzsche once said "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." resorting to violence that isn't in self defense, puts you at risk of filling yourself with hate and you may find yourself no better than the hateful you fight. I won't stop you from fighting but it may be a good idea for you to keep that in mind. Violence only begets violence and perpetuates an endless cycle of hate and revenge, you wouldn't get very far if your goal is to change the world for the better.
LMAOO! Those old propaganda videos and their commentary. So it was okay to smoke in front of your children because that was normal when now is a crime..
Pensei exatamente o mesmo xD
✊🏽💓✊🏽💓✊🏽💓✊🏽💓
That clip against being pride people was really good! Wish we had that now.
Wrong verb, resistance is the better verb.
I was just entering college at the time. I remember thinking, "good for them. teach the pigs a lesson."
When the government is not fair to you're groop of people fight back for you're rights✊
well as they say 2 wrongs do not make a right the police were in the wrong but so were the mob who burned 8 cops alive is still murder
Då kom den gamla Gudinnan Isthar in Amerika igen
'Stonewall Was a Riot' poem here: ruclips.net/video/W8bSFCQ8NbE/видео.html
IT’S THANKS TO THOSE GUYS N GALS THAT WE HAVE DRAG RACE TODAY.
THEY FOUGHT THEIR CORNER & FOR ALL THOSE WHO CAME AFTER. WTG I SAY.
Stonewall didn't start anything. San Francisco in particular led the charge for Gay Rights. When Stonewall occurred, the New York press gave it national coverage: and thereafter, led by San Francisco, the varied and disparate efforts coalesced to form the modern Gay Rights movement. San Francisco has been at the vanguard of the movement, while New York has been largely absent. The New York press is trying to hijack history and recast New York in the role that San Francisco actually played in the struggle for Gay Rights. Undeserved and Stolen Valor!!!
You just completely contradicted yourself. You just stated above, that the New York Press gave it "national coverage", and then thereafter lead by San Francisco. So, in your own words, Stonewall *DID* start the movement and then San Francisco just took the lead thereafter. Either way, it was gross and it set a horrible example for our children back then, which is why we're in the situation we're in today.
@@gregpresley1466 Compton Cafeteria Riots in San Francisco occurred before Stonewall, and the movement was well underway before Stonewall. Just because the New York press gave Stonewall national coverage does not mean Stonewall started a movement that was already ongoing. It just means New York wants to run to the head of the parade and pretend as if it led the parade
Good hell why isn't there a trigger warning on this?
Uprising for God's sake
There's a reason why so many dark events occurred in 1969. It was also the year dedicated to the evil and sexual immorality of the Ishtar demon where the LGBT prideful spirit stems from. There are thousands of people that have been delivered from it and live full great lives after finding Jesus with no desire for pesticide truths or staying in their past bondage. With Jesus there's freedom from this bondage.
Yes!
First
Wonder why PBS has never made a show about the American survivors of attempted abortions?
Mark Campbell really? You equating abortion with the literal dehumanization of human beings
Lol because abortion isnt murder.
What are yoy talking about? Newsli e uas done multiple episodes on abortion, including pro-life campaigners whose parents almost aborted them. Do your research.
Joy or pain
sweet mother of god, you could fake something better.
i find this the most chilling example of authorities and medical profession's attitude and treatment of gay people - and can see obvious parallels with the banal and profoundly destructive way that those young and vulnerable people diagnosed as "trans" are being treated by also self-deluded medical professionals today..
We did watch the same video, right? The one where they said that gay people were given drugs that simulated drowning and their brains were damaged to a point where they were "walking vegetables"?
During conversion therapy people were tortured and the entire procedure went against their own will and well-being. Taking hormones and having gender affirming surgery is the complete opposite of that. Trans people choose to transition medically in order to improve their well-being and in comparison to conversion therapy there actually is scientific proof that transitioning is effective in improving trans people's mental health.
We both agree that what happened (and still happens) to gay people is terrible, but I encourage you to look into the trans experience because trans issues can be confusing when you're not familiar with the subject and when you've never heard trans people's perspectives.
@@michaeladuvivier4732 "Trans people choose to transition medically in order to improve their well-being"
what is most chilling is that continuing naive mantra - that mistreatment is for the persons own good.. back in the day - i think that you will also find that the victim at some stage signed a document allowing the torture..
@@michaeladuvivier4732 "there actually is scientific proof that transitioning is effective in improving trans people's mental health."
it may be the case that in some instances - it is the best way for some people to come to terms with their psychological condition.. but there are also many people that testify that the destructive and irreversible surgery was a terrible mistake and that they wish that they had had proper counselling for their psychological issues instead having their bodies carved up..
The people need to enforce straight law
Police failed us
I don’t get it?
Last True Grower I'm the 5th.
“We need to violently oppress people” this is you
When there is no justice, laws become meaningless. You wont succeed trying to impose your homophobia and transphobia on a united people. LGBTQIA+ liberation - by any means necessary.
Great to see Dr. Charles Socarides. He was way ahead for his time, closely behind Edmund Bergler. He did help many men to discover their long repressed heterosexuality by resolving their traumas.
RIP RAINBOW 🌈 GROOMERS
There still is reparative therapy that works on gay men. They would marry women, father children and live a normal happy life style. Nothing wrong with it.
This type of "therapy" leads to depression, addiction, and suicide. There is something very wrong with trying to brainwash a person to be something unatural to their nature. Go back to the Dark Ages for God sake.
We don’t need your therapy, we don’t need to be corrected because we are fine as we are
I'm a cishet straight man. You try that "therapy" on my LGBTQIA+ friends, and I'll be fighting you right alongside them. Liberation for all people!
Rules are rules
Yeah and if you are a trillionaire, I am Jesus Christ. This dude is a very very bad scam artist. lmao.
Rules can be wrong
When there is no justice, laws and rules have no meaning. There can be no freedom with blind adherence to authority.
rules are for followers. I identify as a leader
Unjust laws deserve to be broken. I hope you have learned this, or at the very least learn how to think a bit for yourself, in the 3 years since you wrote your comment. If you can't stand up to unjust laws, then you can't have justice. Every major human freedom is paid with blood, because those who don't wish you to have them, don't care for you, nor do they respond to reason. They bend to fear or are ousted when people stand up to them. If peace doesn't work, you're left with violence as a means to promote change. It is unfortunate, but also unavoidable as long as we let unreasonable people grab power. Those who carry the mentality that "rules are rules", are the enemy of the people. Plenty of people have said that they just followed the rules. From cops today all the way back to people who committed what we today consider to be war crimes. You are a part of the problem if you just stand by and watch. You are a part of the problem if you go along, rather than asking yourself if what you're doing or is asked to do, is right or wrong. Rules are obviously very important for the foundation of any society, but not all of them deserve to be followed. Law does not determine morality. We don't need laws to know that society at large benefits from equality.