Good point. One of the big factors that has made me switch to the Hex is that it is able to handle my forehand a bit better when I get off torque with out it being an overstable disc as well as it just being a great feeling disc when I throw backhand.
@@funshtwithfatpete3019 Interesting to hear this. I throw the buzzz and find that it handles my forehand perfectly. It hyzer flips to flex to flat perfectly
I love the smaller diameter of a Reactor or Hex, and having a smooth hand feel is also something I really like. Smooth meaning if you compare a Hex with a Buzzz, you can definitely feel that the Hex is more rounded. Hope that helps!
Mako3 was one of the first discs I owned, and a few years later it is still my best go-to straight mid. Love the rounded rim and mild dome. Feels so natural in the hand compared to concave rims - more points of contact translates into precise release control.
EMac Truth all day for me. Perfect rim depth, micro bead, slight dome, flight line through the middle of the disc. It's right in the middle of all of the features, and a staple in the game.
@@MrLucideye99 throw it into a few trees. Like all discs, it beats into less stable, then they fly dead straight when thrown flat! If you want one that beats in a little faster, but still feels like Lucid, try it in Fuzion.
@lucideye Try out a Gateway Element. They feel exactly like an EMAC Truth in the hand, but they're a little less stable. Or just beat the hell out of a Truth, lol.
I love midranges with more glide (such as 6 like a warship), it feels easier to throw with less power while still achieving the distance and accuracy. Also, the midranges that have a turn rating of 0 are easier to throw more consistently without turning them over because with slower discs it is sometimes too easy for more beginner players to throw it too powerfully and the disc turns over and flies super right.
The comet is a glidy mid from discraft but it has a bead and its pretty understable. In the start i overturned it, but after using it for a while it can fly really straight when released smoothly. You can also do some turnovers with it.
Can you explain throwing with too much power and going right? I assume you mean that with RHBH players? This seems to be an issue I have, and would really appreciate a solution to correcting it, if you have one
@@meb212 i assume you are using discs that have flight numbers. Ill take the buzzz for an example. Its a 5 speed. Now when i throw a 5 speed disc like a driver it will act understable. It will do that because you put too much speed on it. A midrange will fly a long way when you put less speed on it. Throwing mids you should cocentrate more on the spin the disc gets and the angle, not as much on the power. Just try throwing it with different power and you will see results. Another way is throwing it max power and hyzer flipping it. Search that on youtube
@@meb212 The faster the disc moves, the more it wants to tilt into its spin and turn. Throwing a flippy disc on a flat line will bring out the turn it has, but it's often too intense to hold the line for very long in the air, and you'll turn and burn into the ground. To fix this, start the disc out with the outer rim angled slightly downwards as you release (for RHBH, the left side of the disc would be lower than the right side). This is called a Hyzer release. The disc will naturally flatten out if the angle you chose was right for the amount of turn it has. This is called a hyzer flip. Some shots call for a hyzer flip, others prefer a reliable, neutral disc thrown flat. Hyzer flips can be used to precisely tune the line of a shot, and discs can even turn over and glide right for a portion of the flight to achieve maximum distance even on a hyzer release. Each disc will acquire at least a small amount of turn over time as it gains more scratches and dents, but depending on the mold, beating it in can drastically change the flight properties, so the hyzer flip is a really important tool regardless of your arm speed or which molds you use.
The Emac Truth is my go-to mid. I bought one just to try it out and having never held one prior, it's just perfect. The concave rim on the warship is uncomfortable, the rounded rim on the mako3 makes me lose confidence in my grip. The buzz is too shallow, the warship is too deep. The Emac just balances itself in between everything, and it's flight is perfectly predictable. Design one like that, but maybe with some softer edges like MVPs reactor or hex.
Thanks for this I need to look at one of these discs, as I have struggled with the Mako3 and the Buzzz for the same reasons you have. Maybe this disc is the right fit for me as well.
@@phillipsanchez4192 I was surprisingly disappointed with both, especially with their reputations preceding them. I won't deny the flight of them one bit, but they just don't feel right. I don't own a hex (yet), but I have both the reactor and emac truth. I like the feel of the reactor, but I just trust the emac way more. I hope you find what you're looking for!
Take your 5 favourite discs from the pile, take their specific mould measurements from the pdga site, and make a disc out of the averages you get! For example, you pick 5 discs that have rim depth of x1,x2,x3… and you make a disc that has a rim depth (x1+x2+x3…)/5!
Hit my first ever ace with the Hex the other day! Love how smooth and rounded it is. No other mid ive ever thrown is as consistent in the release as the hex for me. Think it comes down to the roundness if it makes sence.
If you can find a dynamic discs evidence, that’s worked great for me. Just lost it a couple weeks ago but it was super slim and my go to straight shot disc
If you made a slightly overstable mid that when thrown flat would have a small amount of fade, and not to understable so you can power up on it and have some slight hyzerflips
Axiom Hex has been my favorite mid since it came out. I'd love something very similar in terms of diameter and profile, as the flatness of the Hex makes it comfortable for sidearm as well. But if possible, I'd love your disc to be slightly more understable. That might already happen by just not having a GYRO rim, but anyway I think that's the kind of disc we don't have on the market. Dead straight (also with slightly lower armspeed), flat top, yet still glidy. I know that's a difficuly combination but I think the Hex is the closest thing we have right now.
Buzz has been my go to and is amazing. I also have learned to got with the Comet. The buzz has my favorite feel of any disc, but the Comet has such an amazing flight and versitility.
If I could somehow combine the Royal Grand Trust and the Axiom Hex that would be the perfect midrange. I think the Hex is a touch more round than I’d like and the Trust is a touch sharper, something in between would be PERFECT
I like the shallowness and roundness of the Origin. I just wish it was slightly more stable. I tend to turn it over too much, but I love the feel in my hand.
Best suggestion I could offer to you is to try them all on 4hand. Make sure that whatever shape you choose can handle wrist torque as welll as backhand. Love the content as always and thoroughly love my lucky trash panda mini. Keep up the good work. And Discmania MD1 for the win.
Hex is de wey! I just got one and absolutely love it. I’ve used an EMac Truth and a Buzz. The emac felt great in the hands, while the buzz didn’t. The Buzz held every line I put it one while the Emac didn’t. Hex is the perfect in between
@@chadchotia4114 I’ve got a suspect which I feel like kinda fills that slower speed. Hoping for something a touch faster but not a fairway driver. Maybe even a bit flippy would be cool.
I used to have a dead flat top Emac Truth that was the most comfortable straight flyer I've ever owned. Lost it off a griplock, can't find another one since, but that dead flat disc with the Truth rim is perfect to me. Something flat with a nice radius.
Hey my name is Jesse from Trash Panda and I am so obsessed with having the most aesthetically pleasing final video product that I ensured we had a beautiful rainbow of mid-ranges for that perfect visual. LOL! I love it dude. Keep up the attention to every freaking detail!
My favorite mid for forehand was the lat 64 fuji but they discontinued it. I recently bought a pathfinder and might be one of the most underrated mids flys like my mako but doesnt run off line as easily. So something like the pathfinder would be epic.
For my mids I use a Buzzz when I want that predictable left finish, my Mako (I have the original one and the 3, but throw the old one more) when I want it to basically fly straight all the way to the ground, and my Tursas when I want a right turn on a backhand throw. It is nice to have varying stabilities but if I had to pick just one, it would probably be the Mako. Personally I don't want a bead on a mid because I'm going to grip it like a driver instead of like a putter. I do like the taller/thicker rims, but also like the rounded edges it will be interesting to see what you end up testing!
The RPM Kotuku is a great disc, super consistent but I would say it is fairly overstable rather than straight. Piwakawaka would be a straight flyer from RPM that you should have a look at, love what they are doing with there new premium swirl plastics. Good luck on the new disc!
My go to mid at the moment is the buzzz in different plastics for different flights. I like my mids flat and straight flying with just a bit of fade when thrown flat. It's so cool to follow your journey in designing new molds. 👍
I am primarily an Innova thrower. The Roc3 is my favorite feeling disc and the feel alone gives me the most confidence in my throw, and the consistency I get from that is amazing. I also have the mako3 and I love its straight flight and I can even use it for shots that fade right. The only problem with the mako is that, at least on mine, the rim ends In a sharp edge that isn't too comfortable. If you can somehow blend the depth, bead, and overall feel of the roc3 with the roundness, dome, and straightness of the mako3 you got yourself a disc that's going directly in my bag.
I picked up a couple of lighter Hex Neutrons after viewing your video. After one round I removed my Mako3 and Roc3 from my bag. I have slower arm speed and the Hex gets to flat so easily and holds that straight line so predictably that your confidence grows with it very quickly. Thanks for the review and for recommending this awesome approach disc.
I love my Lucid Emac truth and Neutron Hex. A blend of those two would be amazing. I also like the over stability of the Malta which allows me to really crank it and not over power it.
i think as the speed of the disc increases, arm speed becomes more of a determinate factor in how straight a disc flies. it also becomes inherently more difficult to design a straight flying disc. only a putter (like the nova) can fly very straight at almost any arm speed. it might be interesting testing how a deep mid with a sharper edge (to give it mid speed) compares to a shallow disc with a blunter edge. i think a mako3 is a good example of a straight flyer at medium speed that still has enough stability for a fast thrower to throw straight, just with a bit of hyzer. a buzzz flies straight for a fast arm speed thrown flat. for a low arm speed something like a stingray is much straighter than either of these discs. I think a bead adds a variable (increases stability) that is not wanted when designing a disc to fly as straight as possible. same with a dome. but, as you said, feel is probably more important than any of these factors.
Thats why I always judge my mids at top arm speed. And at top arm speed I find Rocs to be incredibly straight flyers. Im kind of surprised he didnt include one.
Yeah, I was surprised to see the Origin over the MD3 chosen for Discmania. The Origin is wildly understable if thrown fast, whereas the MD3 tends to be a lot straighter, buy might get a little flip.
I got into the midrange game about a year ago and have tried a fair number (Mako3, Buzzz, Shark, Roc, Pathfinder) and when I threw the Hex I was blown away by how easily it came out of my hand. Now I notice what I hadn't before in the others-some sort of hang, hitch, scrape, something during release. The Hex just disappears from hand. I will say that all of these midranges have flown super straight for me, so as far as how they fly-they all go beautifully. But the Hex is the nicest to throw. The only thing I would change is make the outside plastic super durable because it hurts me every time I hit a tree with the thing. Also, as a designer I really appreciate the graphic design of the ThoughtSpace discs-I want every one of them.
I also recently fell for the Axiom Hex and the thing that stands out for me is that the rounded but tapered wing shape fills my hand in the most comfortable way I have felt from a disc without simply being a round blob like the Mako3. No bead, medium diameter, and especially no flashing or sharp edges like you see a lot with Prodigy. I think making something that is on the straighter side out of the mold would be better than something that naturally pushes an understable line to avoid it breaking in badly with consistent use. If you could combine the feel and shot-shaping flight of a Hex with the distance that a Westside Warship can push, you would have something a cut above the rest.
Bit late here, love the hex myself. I threw a Mako3 when I first started out but it beat in to hella understable. I'm also a big fan of the RPM Piwakawaka, straight to understable flight, low profile, everything I want in a mid range that I can power it and get it to go right (at least when it's beat in, I find RPM starts out more stable than numbers suggest). Anyways I like low profile/flatter discs they fit my smaller hands better.
For the first couple years of playing disc golf, I never liked throwing mids. They just never seemed to leave my hand right... but that all changed when the Hex came out! I absolutely love this disc! Smooth release every time and straight flight!
Torque resistance is key to me in a midrange. I like to be able to throw a midrange at a strong arm speed when I don’t have the confidence to throw a fairway or driver on a hole. Thanks for asking the community Jesse!
When judging a midrange, the primary factor I look at is stability. As an NC woods golfer, I am a huge fan of understable midranges that I can release cleanly and work angles with. Personally, I have never been a huge fan of buzzzes or truths since, due to their finish, they require much more height control--whereas with an understable mid I can throw it high and let it ride straight. Rim depth in the 1.3-1.4cm range seems to offer the most control when coupled with a thinner rim width of ~1.2cm. For reference, after trying most midranges on the market, I use a champion mako3 as my staple. This is an awesome idea, can't wait to see what comes out of it even if it's nowhere close to my ideas!!
I have pretty dry hands, so more of a base plastic grip helps with control a lot. I usually fan grip mids and the slicker premium plastics sometimes slip out early. My go-to is DX Roc which has great grip and feel for me, and a good stable/straight flight. I generally throw backhand and like the bead for that and don't mind some dome.
My go to straight flier is a KC Pro Flat top Roc. Never fails when I need to get straight and hit gaps. In design I would think a thinner rim but also a flatter top would appeal to more people
Something I was thinking about also is the plastic your planning on having for the mid (baseline vs premium) More importantly how quickly they get beat in. Maybe something that starts stable but beats into straight vs straight and beats into under stable
I'm a fan of small diameter, shallow rim discs. The Suspect (by Dynamic, discontinued 2019) is my favorite. Once lightly broken in, it has a 4/4/0/1 flight which is perfect for the fast backhand style I use.
Mostly flat top, medium depth & fade. Flight numbers 5/5/0/1 are ideal because thrown hard it will go straight without turning over but still have enough fade to come back at the end. The Compass, Chariot & even the Emac Truth all fit this really well to me! I’ve throw all of these for fairly hard left turns, flex lines, straight flights & even turnovers that will go right then straighten out. I think if you get something in that area you will be looking at a solid disc!! Keep up the good work!
Great video! I like the DGA Rift, or a Buzzz, but if I were designing a mid, I would try to get a straight finish on a straight shot. It's the compromise of stability I suppose, but I would love a mid with the straighter finish of a putter. To me, the ultimate mid would be a longer throwing putter. Now I need to try a Hex...
My first mid was a warship and it’s still the one I reach for the most (with a Z buzzz a close second). Interestingly I have two warships, one in VIP and one in the softer Origio burst and the two different plastics have different glide ratings (6 on the VIP and 5 on the Origio). I think what I like about the warship and buzzz most his how flat-topped mine are, they are so controllable and my most trusted choices for those tight shots in the woods
For me... rim depth and feel is my number one consideration. I don't have very big hands or at least shallower discs feel more natural... also lend themselves to forehand and backhand options. By straight mid range history is as follows: Shark, Buzzz, Claymore, Compass, Trust... I am almost exclusively throw Lat64 so I now bag Trust and Claymore primarily. I think for mass appeal... you need beadless, moderate depth with slight dome... hit the middle of all the categories and see how it flies.
My favorite straight mid I've ever thrown is the Latitude 64 Gobi. I just threw mine in a drainage canal a few weeks ago and will likely never see it again. I also have a Mako3, Emac Truth, and Warship. The Gobi feels the best in my hand and I just ordered a Hex to hopefully replace that. I would love a new mid that has the same feel in hand and similar long, glidey flight the Gobi gave me with my slower arm speed. Keeping my eye on this endeavor for sure!
I love my origin for any straight shots. I normally have to fan grip because rim is so shallow, but still an excellent disc. The hex is a great feeling disc too, and dead straight
First off, love the music selection on this video! My dream mid is a dead flat top with a shallow rim, no bead, small diameter a la sol or malta, and a sweet stamp. Everything is negotiable except the stamp.
Take three of my favorite mids from that stack that all have distinct features I like (Ex. Flat top, shallow rim, rounded edge) and do some mixing of those features to create 3 new mid designs. Then Print out just the edge (similar to the flight towel pieces) to test the feel and tweak it. After I get three I like the feel of I would prototype the full disc to test flight then tweak dimensions from there to adjust stability and flight. Then just keep narrowing down until you get the perfect design!
I don’t know about the Hex but I’ve thrown a few of these Mids and I always end up with a buzzz type midrange, micro to no bead, straight point and shoot. I’m currently bagging M4 from Prodigy.
I bag a Hex, a Reactor, TSA Pathfinder, and an EMac Truth. My favourite midranges are flat, small diameter, and shallow so that they can be used for forehand as well as backhand. The Reactor is great to flick!
I honestly can’t say anything Jesse my putters do the magic of the mid range for me, unless there is a huge head wind. And the drone from Discraft Makes the magic happen! I know it’s not a straight shooter! But love it. I’m super happy your designing a mid range you go Jesse!!!
Truth and Buzz get together and have a baby. Then it grows up and has a one night stand with a Roc! Feel of a Truth, stability and torque resistance of the Buzz and the finish of a Roc. Done!
The AGL Magnolia in the Alpine Hemp Blend plastic is absolutely on point. Feels great in the hand, holds a lot of torque, and wants to fly forever! My pick for sure.
I personally enjoy slightly shallower discs with a flatter top, a slight fade, and a smaller diameter to them. I throw both forehand and backhand and having a disc like this allows me to use them for both.
I love the DGA aftershock. Its not straight out of the gate but beats in beautifully. I prefer a bead or microbead but its all about how it flies for me
I'm fairly new to disc golf, but have found that I love the Latitude 64 Fuse Gold X Team Series (John E McCray 5 6 -1 0). It's shallow at 1.2 cm and the Gold X plastic is a little more over stable than the Retro plastic (for example) and is also slightly domier(?). It flies very far and straight for me. I wish you would have included this one, also. Great video!
In my experience the feel in the hand is one of the most essential aspects of a disc - it all starts with whether you can get a good grip and feel like you can control the nose angle. Maybe we need to think about better ways to describe 'hand-feel' in general. From there it tends to be 'dependability' for me - when I throw a disc between 70 - 100% power across the 3 core angles I want the same general flight characteristics even if I make small mistakes (over-powered/under-powered/too much or too little angle)
I grabbed a Innova Mako3 in Champion plastic this week and it feels so good in my hand.. flies very straight with the smallest fade on the end. 🥏💨 Highly recommend.
I love my Emac Trutch but just got a MVP Hex from Daddy Mac dyes and I am REALLY enjoying throwing it. Got a warship during the Trilogy Challenge and can't throw it worth a dern. I have buzzes as well but usually use those for forehand shots.
I love sharper rims and shallower mids. They help it feel closer to a fairway than a putter which makes it more comfortable for me to actually push out.
Hi Jessie, Love what your doing for the sport! I've thrown about half the discs you've tested here. For a straight flyer I love me a Buzzz, Rift, Zombie or Squall (I know the last two are technically fairways but I throw them like a longer midrange With that said, I think something that incorporates a Buzzz's overall feel/flight, with an Innova Caiman or Prodigy A4 rim thickness and Hex/Paradox/Malta smaller diameter (
I like torque resistance that Buzzz brings and the way it holds anhyzer. Really nice wearing pattern as well. I feel scared throwing Mako3 with any power, although it’s good for shorter distance. Design something that does not flip over too much but still holds the line.
I'm still a very new player and I really put a value on straight flying discs from the start. I prefer no bead but I don't think that's an important element when throwing with a power grip. I wouldn't want it flat, but if it has too much dome I feel like it would be more susceptible to the wind. For depth, I say the deeper the better, but it might be interesting to have two versions that vary the depth like Innova does with its 3 series discs.
i like a shallow mid. no bead. not much turn or fade so that you can more easily adjust throwing speed without left/right deviation. for me it's the dga squall. also, i need a strong plastic because the mid comes out most often on tee boxes in the woods, and i hit those trees. finally, because my main mid comes out most often in the woods, i like to throw it with a little hyzer, so it should hit flat on a baby hyzer at that 260-320 foot arm speed (and not fade out or flip over, hence the low fade and turn preference).
Fuse is what i use for a straight flight mid... i have more aces with this disc than all aces combined. before this disc emerged it was the Buzzz. i was surprised it was not mentioned in the line up?
I've dabbled in to a few sketch designs and the ideal midrange in my opinion is a semi- shallow in depth with a slanted blunt edge with a rim width of around 14mm with a very slight dome. I'm talking it looks flat until your eye level with it slight dome. I personally throw a hex, star mako3, and 400g prodigy M2 for my straight mid shots. Hex if I need to torque it and on windier days, Mako3 for more touchy finesse shots, and the M2 is my go to straight off the tee and get out of jail straight shot. If I need a laser beam straight mid its the M2.
Hands down my favorite mid is an md3. The musts for me when choosing a mid are: flat top, mild shoulder, flexible flight plate, and a 1.4 rim. If it's going to double duty as a forehand disc, smaller diameter is a huge bonus. Give me a small diameter md3 and it goes in the bag immediately.
I love the eMac truth because I throw with my pointer finger on the outside of the rim and the more concave bottom rims feel odd in my hand. It would be cool to do a rim that in convex top and bottom
Same for me with the Roc. I like to fan grip with my index finger on the bead. Discs like the Buzzz feel a little awkward for me, but would probably be great with a power grip on a drive.
My favorite midrange is a 14 year old Champion Cobra it can be thrown under and over stable. In the video it appeared all had similar flight paths with a few showing more glide. Mako /Buzz is a good target for like-ability in your decision making.
Awesome video! So many good mids. Buzzz is a classic, currently bagging a beat in Ibex for right drifting tunnels and turnovers that don't go too far. I liked how shallow the mako 3 was. If you could get something like the hex with more weight outside near the rim, but shallow like the mako 3 somehow that would be awesome! Something like 5 5 -0.5 1 would be the best.
I love my Malta and RPM Kea differently, but equally. Blunt edges and great grip feel. Plastic aside, the mold could be deep or shallow as long as it doesn't try to rip your skin off with release!
I bag a Truth and a pathfinder glow. Used to have an origin too. Something in between those 3 would be interesting in my book I liked all 3 for very different reasons and the all did me good on their own way. Good luck Jesse I'll be picking up what ever you put out interested in tossing a recycled mid in next season's tournaments!
I love a midrange with turn resistance out of the box and a healthy fade (2+) like my beloved Emac Truth. It will beat to a straight flyer and still handle some forehand torque. I like to FH and BH all the discs in my bag and the Emac Truth is my favorite mid to FH and BH.
Durability is a major part of how I pick my midranges. Typically they're thrown in smaller fairways or where touch/shape is needed. This means lots of trees and turns after the stability starts to fade out. That's why I love the svea. It doesn't have so much turn that it can't be compensated to stay straight, and having no fade makes it extremely predictable. The power level is very familiar for almost every midrange.... but the #1 factor that nobody really brings to light with midrange discs, is glide. The Svea is an extreme glide midrange. Very rarely do you see a disc with higher glide rating that it's speed without any fade. This produces flat, stable flight that you can predict, and shape to do what you need it to. It's the ultimate disc to use for any shot. If there was a disc you'd need to try and copy, it's the Svea.
I would love a hex that's a tad more shallow and throw a bead on it, like a Roc3 or Wasp sized bead. I love the hex but I also love a bead on my mids. I wonder if it would somewhat alter the numbers to 5 4 0 1. Maybe similar to a beaded compass. Now I'm just curious.
I know you didn't throw it, but I love the glow reactor. I previously threw the emac truth, Buzzz, chariot, mako3 and origin, and feel it's the best midrange I've ever thrown. A headwind doesn't seem to bother it at all which is very important where I live. The rim is also comfortable off the shelf and it forehands well. Everyone's hands are different but I prefer a nice round and comfortable rim that isn't too deep.
I bag 3 of those: mako3, buzzz, and M model s. They all are a little different, but the mako3 is the one that is straight and holds any angle (sometimes to a fault). That said, my perfect straight mid would be shallow with a wide rim (like 10cm rim) but flies like a mako3. Probably not physically doable, but I feel like deep mods are harder to aim and control, so something like a Leopard in the hand that flies like a mako3. Love your vids. Thanks.
I really like the feel of the OOP Innova king cobra, and the flight of the westside claymore. I would love that combination, as I current bag both because I can't pick one.
I really like the mako 3 (star) and origin (neo). They just feel good in the hands and I like they way they fly. Something a little glidier for downwind shots is good too, like a Wombat3. I'm one of the folks who doesn't really care about the bead. "deep" discs feel weird to me though. The shallower ones seem more comfortable.
IMO the Buzzz is one of the greatest discs ever made. I personally think having that reliable amount of turn in a straight mid lets you throw it on any angle and trust it to hold.
I've tried dozens of mid range discs, and by far my favorite has been the Champion Shark. I love the glide, speed and turn of that bad boy. It has given me more birdies than any other disc. I'm also a big fan of the GSTAR vroc. Though that one feels a touch shallow to me.
@@prattacaster yeah they are very hard to find, Innova has taken them out production however I think they will have to make more because I just bought out what they had they had on the factory store, They do still make the champ shark 3 which is similar but definitely not the same
I think feel is huge. Smooth on the bottom edge of the disc is a must. There's nothing worse than tearing your hands up trying to throw mids. I was throwing Buzzes and a few other discs when I first started and I thought I hated midranges in general just because of how they felt... Until I tried MVP Reactors/Hex and Mint Mustangs and Thoughtspace Pathfinders. 👍
I have an origin and a star mako3 and I can definitely tell the difference between them. The turn and fade on the origin are both evident. I really like the mako3 for throwing lines that aren’t straight. It holds whatever angle you throw it on except on a flat release I sometimes turn it over. The perfect disc to me would be a mako3 that doesn’t flip when thrown flat.
I've thrown the Buzzz for years as well as a Wasp for when I want more power. Recently I started using a Mint Mustang in Apex plastic. It's definitely a neutral flyer and will hold a lot of lines and I think I like that it has a more consistent fade than the Buzzz. All that being said, I think if I was designing a midrange, I would want something with a flat top as that's what I love most about the wasp.
I really like higher glide and as little fade as possible. For my mid-range shots (for me 225-250feet) its usually for line drive wooded shots and I love a disc I know I can laser at the basket. If I can see it I want to be able to throw consistently a direct straight path. Disc's like a Buzzz SS are great, but tend to finish a bit hard fade for my liking. That from a weaker arm. My current go too is a DD Bounty, so 1.5 turn, a tad more under-stable to make up for my arm speed compared to the Truths. My Bounty's fly very similar to videos of Truths from better throwers.
Things I would like in a mid for feel: Slight dome, rounded nose, slightly concave lower rim, a small bead, medium depth, and small diameter. Like a Skeeter with a mini bead. Flight characteristics: good glide and moderate to minimal fade. 4,5,0,1 Excited to see what you come up with!
I’m a fan of the rounded ‘scooped’ edge so that if you are a 1) curled finger thrower, it feels controlled as your fingers sit in the curl or 2) a flat finger (like a fan grip) thrower, the rounded edge won’t drag on your fingers as it leaves your hand and finally if you are a 3) finger outside the edge, it rolls off smoothly. Oh, and a tad under stable while max weight (180) should help it move pretty straight with little fade.
For me, the Buzzz is my go to. I also have a Pathfinder and it's a hair more stable than the Buzzz. I really like the Buzzz because it holds whatever angle I put on it. Once you beat it in enough, it's super predictable. Didn't think I'd like a beaded disc, but when I started throwing the Malta, I fell in love with it! :O
My reaction to throwing the Hex for the first time was also "wow". It just keeps going forward and stays in the air. The disc also feels great in hand. MVP is starting to produce some really nice stuff lately. Can't wait for the new speed 6 and 7 fairways they are coming out with.
The Hex has to be one of the best feeling, straightest flying midranges in my bag. Can hold the torque of a forehand and that's a must for me.
Good point. One of the big factors that has made me switch to the Hex is that it is able to handle my forehand a bit better when I get off torque with out it being an overstable disc as well as it just being a great feeling disc when I throw backhand.
It's pretty much my favorite disc I've ever owned
@@michaelferraro220 it's what you want the Buzzz to be
I honestly like throwing my reactor forehand better than my hex
@@funshtwithfatpete3019 Interesting to hear this. I throw the buzzz and find that it handles my forehand perfectly. It hyzer flips to flex to flat perfectly
I love the smaller diameter of a Reactor or Hex, and having a smooth hand feel is also something I really like. Smooth meaning if you compare a Hex with a Buzzz, you can definitely feel that the Hex is more rounded. Hope that helps!
Helps a ton! Love it!!
Just read your comment after leaving one…I like your style, lol.
Got the hex today😁
My reactor replace the matrix in my bag and then the hex replace the reactor. The Hex is dead straight.
The mvp tangent has been a super straight for me.
Mako3 was one of the first discs I owned, and a few years later it is still my best go-to straight mid. Love the rounded rim and mild dome. Feels so natural in the hand compared to concave rims - more points of contact translates into precise release control.
I love my Mako3(champion)! It's my chainseeker, I've hit 3 aces with that thing in the one year that I've been playing.
I use a hex, but I still always bag a champion mako3, imo it's still the most versatile shot shaping disc I've thrown
Star Mako0 was by far my favorite disc when i started and now it's either the hex or the envy.
EMac Truth all day for me. Perfect rim depth, micro bead, slight dome, flight line through the middle of the disc. It's right in the middle of all of the features, and a staple in the game.
I am bagging it, but it a little too stable for me. I wish they hadn't killed the evidence.
It skips big tho, can be for Your favor or not
@@MrLucideye99 throw it into a few trees. Like all discs, it beats into less stable, then they fly dead straight when thrown flat! If you want one that beats in a little faster, but still feels like Lucid, try it in Fuzion.
@@jcapicy I beat in a prime and it was close, but still had more fade. I may need to grab a fusion, the lucid hasn't broken it yet.
@lucideye Try out a Gateway Element. They feel exactly like an EMAC Truth in the hand, but they're a little less stable. Or just beat the hell out of a Truth, lol.
I love midranges with more glide (such as 6 like a warship), it feels easier to throw with less power while still achieving the distance and accuracy. Also, the midranges that have a turn rating of 0 are easier to throw more consistently without turning them over because with slower discs it is sometimes too easy for more beginner players to throw it too powerfully and the disc turns over and flies super right.
I love my Wombat3, that high glide feels so good.
The comet is a glidy mid from discraft but it has a bead and its pretty understable. In the start i overturned it, but after using it for a while it can fly really straight when released smoothly. You can also do some turnovers with it.
Can you explain throwing with too much power and going right? I assume you mean that with RHBH players? This seems to be an issue I have, and would really appreciate a solution to correcting it, if you have one
@@meb212 i assume you are using discs that have flight numbers. Ill take the buzzz for an example. Its a 5 speed. Now when i throw a 5 speed disc like a driver it will act understable. It will do that because you put too much speed on it. A midrange will fly a long way when you put less speed on it. Throwing mids you should cocentrate more on the spin the disc gets and the angle, not as much on the power. Just try throwing it with different power and you will see results. Another way is throwing it max power and hyzer flipping it. Search that on youtube
@@meb212 The faster the disc moves, the more it wants to tilt into its spin and turn. Throwing a flippy disc on a flat line will bring out the turn it has, but it's often too intense to hold the line for very long in the air, and you'll turn and burn into the ground. To fix this, start the disc out with the outer rim angled slightly downwards as you release (for RHBH, the left side of the disc would be lower than the right side). This is called a Hyzer release. The disc will naturally flatten out if the angle you chose was right for the amount of turn it has. This is called a hyzer flip. Some shots call for a hyzer flip, others prefer a reliable, neutral disc thrown flat. Hyzer flips can be used to precisely tune the line of a shot, and discs can even turn over and glide right for a portion of the flight to achieve maximum distance even on a hyzer release. Each disc will acquire at least a small amount of turn over time as it gains more scratches and dents, but depending on the mold, beating it in can drastically change the flight properties, so the hyzer flip is a really important tool regardless of your arm speed or which molds you use.
The Emac Truth is my go-to mid. I bought one just to try it out and having never held one prior, it's just perfect. The concave rim on the warship is uncomfortable, the rounded rim on the mako3 makes me lose confidence in my grip. The buzz is too shallow, the warship is too deep. The Emac just balances itself in between everything, and it's flight is perfectly predictable. Design one like that, but maybe with some softer edges like MVPs reactor or hex.
Love my emac truth.
Thanks for this I need to look at one of these discs, as I have struggled with the Mako3 and the Buzzz for the same reasons you have. Maybe this disc is the right fit for me as well.
@@phillipsanchez4192 I was surprisingly disappointed with both, especially with their reputations preceding them. I won't deny the flight of them one bit, but they just don't feel right. I don't own a hex (yet), but I have both the reactor and emac truth. I like the feel of the reactor, but I just trust the emac way more. I hope you find what you're looking for!
The Hex kicked the Emac out of my bag just from a comfort perspective
Do yourself a favor and try the l64 mace
Incredible! So great to see you including the entire disc golf community in this. Also super happy to see RPM getting some love with the Kotuku!
Take your 5 favourite discs from the pile, take their specific mould measurements from the pdga site, and make a disc out of the averages you get! For example, you pick 5 discs that have rim depth of x1,x2,x3… and you make a disc that has a rim depth (x1+x2+x3…)/5!
I like this a lot
This but also have a poll
Genius! Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
Divided by 5 or 5! because 5! is going to make it really thin (5!= 5*4*3*2*1=120). I assume just an excited 5.
@@melacine34 yes, no factorials here :D
Hit my first ever ace with the Hex the other day! Love how smooth and rounded it is. No other mid ive ever thrown is as consistent in the release as the hex for me. Think it comes down to the roundness if it makes sence.
Same here, in fact, I feel so consistent with it that I think it actually gave me a big confidence boost and now I throw all of my discs better haha
Third time throwing a Hex gave me my first ace last year. Cheers
Always looking for a shallow, flat, non beaded, straight flying, forehand friendly mid.
I will always vouch for the Prodigy M4, I personally don't forehand it but I've heard some people like it for soft flick shots
If you can find a dynamic discs evidence, that’s worked great for me. Just lost it a couple weeks ago but it was super slim and my go to straight shot disc
This is it right here this is it
Lat64 claymore
Agree, and I think Hex checks in on all of them personally .)
If you made a slightly overstable mid that when thrown flat would have a small amount of fade, and not to understable so you can power up on it and have some slight hyzerflips
and your arm speed is?
Sounds like a Roc to me.
Axiom Hex has been my favorite mid since it came out. I'd love something very similar in terms of diameter and profile, as the flatness of the Hex makes it comfortable for sidearm as well. But if possible, I'd love your disc to be slightly more understable. That might already happen by just not having a GYRO rim, but anyway I think that's the kind of disc we don't have on the market. Dead straight (also with slightly lower armspeed), flat top, yet still glidy. I know that's a difficuly combination but I think the Hex is the closest thing we have right now.
the paradox might be worth a shot, insanely understable
@@thomasnieman7086 Have a paradox, can confirm. It also works shockingly well for beginners.
Buzz has been my go to and is amazing. I also have learned to got with the Comet. The buzz has my favorite feel of any disc, but the Comet has such an amazing flight and versitility.
If I could somehow combine the Royal Grand Trust and the Axiom Hex that would be the perfect midrange. I think the Hex is a touch more round than I’d like and the Trust is a touch sharper, something in between would be PERFECT
I like the shallowness and roundness of the Origin. I just wish it was slightly more stable. I tend to turn it over too much, but I love the feel in my hand.
Best suggestion I could offer to you is to try them all on 4hand. Make sure that whatever shape you choose can handle wrist torque as welll as backhand. Love the content as always and thoroughly love my lucky trash panda mini. Keep up the good work. And Discmania MD1 for the win.
Agreed, I'd love to see some forehand shots with these discs!
Great feedback! Thank YOU 🤘
Absolutely Jesse! I really can wait for the opertunity to throw your plastic. Been watching since near day one. And will support ya any way I can.
Hex is de wey! I just got one and absolutely love it. I’ve used an EMac Truth and a Buzz. The emac felt great in the hands, while the buzz didn’t. The Buzz held every line I put it one while the Emac didn’t. Hex is the perfect in between
Love the feel of Buzzes and Hex's. Beadless mids are the way to go and a little deeper is nice for a mid.
Most straight mids have a massive amount of dome/depth. I'd love something with less so that I'm more comfortable throwing it forehand.
Hex, reactor, piwakawaka, md4, try those!
@@SwiprNoSwipn piwakawa. What on earth is that?! I must try this disc
Cohort is a good option, a bit slower than a mid but is the friendliest forehand approach disc I bag.
I have a flat Emac Truth that forehands and backhands great
@@chadchotia4114 I’ve got a suspect which I feel like kinda fills that slower speed. Hoping for something a touch faster but not a fairway driver. Maybe even a bit flippy would be cool.
I used to have a dead flat top Emac Truth that was the most comfortable straight flyer I've ever owned. Lost it off a griplock, can't find another one since, but that dead flat disc with the Truth rim is perfect to me. Something flat with a nice radius.
Hey my name is Jesse from Trash Panda and I am so obsessed with having the most aesthetically pleasing final video product that I ensured we had a beautiful rainbow of mid-ranges for that perfect visual. LOL! I love it dude. Keep up the attention to every freaking detail!
My favorite mid for forehand was the lat 64 fuji but they discontinued it. I recently bought a pathfinder and might be one of the most underrated mids flys like my mako but doesnt run off line as easily. So something like the pathfinder would be epic.
The Mint Discs Mustang is by far my go-to midrange. Love how it flies exactly how you throw it!
For my mids I use a Buzzz when I want that predictable left finish, my Mako (I have the original one and the 3, but throw the old one more) when I want it to basically fly straight all the way to the ground, and my Tursas when I want a right turn on a backhand throw. It is nice to have varying stabilities but if I had to pick just one, it would probably be the Mako.
Personally I don't want a bead on a mid because I'm going to grip it like a driver instead of like a putter. I do like the taller/thicker rims, but also like the rounded edges it will be interesting to see what you end up testing!
The RPM Kotuku is a great disc, super consistent but I would say it is fairly overstable rather than straight. Piwakawaka would be a straight flyer from RPM that you should have a look at, love what they are doing with there new premium swirl plastics. Good luck on the new disc!
My go to mid at the moment is the buzzz in different plastics for different flights. I like my mids flat and straight flying with just a bit of fade when thrown flat. It's so cool to follow your journey in designing new molds. 👍
I am primarily an Innova thrower. The Roc3 is my favorite feeling disc and the feel alone gives me the most confidence in my throw, and the consistency I get from that is amazing. I also have the mako3 and I love its straight flight and I can even use it for shots that fade right. The only problem with the mako is that, at least on mine, the rim ends In a sharp edge that isn't too comfortable. If you can somehow blend the depth, bead, and overall feel of the roc3 with the roundness, dome, and straightness of the mako3 you got yourself a disc that's going directly in my bag.
I picked up a couple of lighter Hex Neutrons after viewing your video. After one round I removed my Mako3 and Roc3 from my bag. I have slower arm speed and the Hex gets to flat so easily and holds that straight line so predictably that your confidence grows with it very quickly. Thanks for the review and for recommending this awesome approach disc.
I love my Lucid Emac truth and Neutron Hex. A blend of those two would be amazing. I also like the over stability of the Malta which allows me to really crank it and not over power it.
i think as the speed of the disc increases, arm speed becomes more of a determinate factor in how straight a disc flies. it also becomes inherently more difficult to design a straight flying disc. only a putter (like the nova) can fly very straight at almost any arm speed. it might be interesting testing how a deep mid with a sharper edge (to give it mid speed) compares to a shallow disc with a blunter edge. i think a mako3 is a good example of a straight flyer at medium speed that still has enough stability for a fast thrower to throw straight, just with a bit of hyzer. a buzzz flies straight for a fast arm speed thrown flat. for a low arm speed something like a stingray is much straighter than either of these discs. I think a bead adds a variable (increases stability) that is not wanted when designing a disc to fly as straight as possible. same with a dome. but, as you said, feel is probably more important than any of these factors.
Thats why I always judge my mids at top arm speed. And at top arm speed I find Rocs to be incredibly straight flyers. Im kind of surprised he didnt include one.
Yeah, I was surprised to see the Origin over the MD3 chosen for Discmania. The Origin is wildly understable if thrown fast, whereas the MD3 tends to be a lot straighter, buy might get a little flip.
I got into the midrange game about a year ago and have tried a fair number (Mako3, Buzzz, Shark, Roc, Pathfinder) and when I threw the Hex I was blown away by how easily it came out of my hand. Now I notice what I hadn't before in the others-some sort of hang, hitch, scrape, something during release. The Hex just disappears from hand.
I will say that all of these midranges have flown super straight for me, so as far as how they fly-they all go beautifully. But the Hex is the nicest to throw. The only thing I would change is make the outside plastic super durable because it hurts me every time I hit a tree with the thing. Also, as a designer I really appreciate the graphic design of the ThoughtSpace discs-I want every one of them.
I also recently fell for the Axiom Hex and the thing that stands out for me is that the rounded but tapered wing shape fills my hand in the most comfortable way I have felt from a disc without simply being a round blob like the Mako3. No bead, medium diameter, and especially no flashing or sharp edges like you see a lot with Prodigy. I think making something that is on the straighter side out of the mold would be better than something that naturally pushes an understable line to avoid it breaking in badly with consistent use. If you could combine the feel and shot-shaping flight of a Hex with the distance that a Westside Warship can push, you would have something a cut above the rest.
Bit late here, love the hex myself. I threw a Mako3 when I first started out but it beat in to hella understable. I'm also a big fan of the RPM Piwakawaka, straight to understable flight, low profile, everything I want in a mid range that I can power it and get it to go right (at least when it's beat in, I find RPM starts out more stable than numbers suggest). Anyways I like low profile/flatter discs they fit my smaller hands better.
For the first couple years of playing disc golf, I never liked throwing mids. They just never seemed to leave my hand right... but that all changed when the Hex came out! I absolutely love this disc! Smooth release every time and straight flight!
I love the Compass and Fuse by Lat 64, as well as the hex. They all fit the bill for versatile mid so, so well.
Torque resistance is key to me in a midrange. I like to be able to throw a midrange at a strong arm speed when I don’t have the confidence to throw a fairway or driver on a hole. Thanks for asking the community Jesse!
When judging a midrange, the primary factor I look at is stability. As an NC woods golfer, I am a huge fan of understable midranges that I can release cleanly and work angles with. Personally, I have never been a huge fan of buzzzes or truths since, due to their finish, they require much more height control--whereas with an understable mid I can throw it high and let it ride straight. Rim depth in the 1.3-1.4cm range seems to offer the most control when coupled with a thinner rim width of ~1.2cm. For reference, after trying most midranges on the market, I use a champion mako3 as my staple.
This is an awesome idea, can't wait to see what comes out of it even if it's nowhere close to my ideas!!
I got excited when I saw the Addax from Wild Discs!!! Happy to see a local company from my area thriving!!!
I have pretty dry hands, so more of a base plastic grip helps with control a lot. I usually fan grip mids and the slicker premium plastics sometimes slip out early. My go-to is DX Roc which has great grip and feel for me, and a good stable/straight flight. I generally throw backhand and like the bead for that and don't mind some dome.
My go to straight flier is a KC Pro Flat top Roc.
Never fails when I need to get straight and hit gaps.
In design I would think a thinner rim but also a flatter top would appeal to more people
Something I was thinking about also is the plastic your planning on having for the mid (baseline vs premium)
More importantly how quickly they get beat in. Maybe something that starts stable but beats into straight vs straight and beats into under stable
I'm a fan of small diameter, shallow rim discs. The Suspect (by Dynamic, discontinued 2019) is my favorite. Once lightly broken in, it has a 4/4/0/1 flight which is perfect for the fast backhand style I use.
Mostly flat top, medium depth & fade.
Flight numbers 5/5/0/1 are ideal because thrown hard it will go straight without turning over but still have enough fade to come back at the end.
The Compass, Chariot & even the Emac Truth all fit this really well to me!
I’ve throw all of these for fairly hard left turns, flex lines, straight flights & even turnovers that will go right then straighten out.
I think if you get something in that area you will be looking at a solid disc!!
Keep up the good work!
Great video! I like the DGA Rift, or a Buzzz, but if I were designing a mid, I would try to get a straight finish on a straight shot. It's the compromise of stability I suppose, but I would love a mid with the straighter finish of a putter. To me, the ultimate mid would be a longer throwing putter. Now I need to try a Hex...
My go to straight mid for years now has been the MD3. So excited to get my hands on the new one they are putting out
My first mid was a warship and it’s still the one I reach for the most (with a Z buzzz a close second). Interestingly I have two warships, one in VIP and one in the softer Origio burst and the two different plastics have different glide ratings (6 on the VIP and 5 on the Origio). I think what I like about the warship and buzzz most his how flat-topped mine are, they are so controllable and my most trusted choices for those tight shots in the woods
For me... rim depth and feel is my number one consideration. I don't have very big hands or at least shallower discs feel more natural... also lend themselves to forehand and backhand options. By straight mid range history is as follows: Shark, Buzzz, Claymore, Compass, Trust... I am almost exclusively throw Lat64 so I now bag Trust and Claymore primarily. I think for mass appeal... you need beadless, moderate depth with slight dome... hit the middle of all the categories and see how it flies.
My favorite straight mid I've ever thrown is the Latitude 64 Gobi. I just threw mine in a drainage canal a few weeks ago and will likely never see it again. I also have a Mako3, Emac Truth, and Warship. The Gobi feels the best in my hand and I just ordered a Hex to hopefully replace that. I would love a new mid that has the same feel in hand and similar long, glidey flight the Gobi gave me with my slower arm speed. Keeping my eye on this endeavor for sure!
I love my origin for any straight shots. I normally have to fan grip because rim is so shallow, but still an excellent disc. The hex is a great feeling disc too, and dead straight
First off, love the music selection on this video! My dream mid is a dead flat top with a shallow rim, no bead, small diameter a la sol or malta, and a sweet stamp. Everything is negotiable except the stamp.
Take three of my favorite mids from that stack that all have distinct features I like (Ex. Flat top, shallow rim, rounded edge) and do some mixing of those features to create 3 new mid designs. Then Print out just the edge (similar to the flight towel pieces) to test the feel and tweak it. After I get three I like the feel of I would prototype the full disc to test flight then tweak dimensions from there to adjust stability and flight. Then just keep narrowing down until you get the perfect design!
I don’t know about the Hex but I’ve thrown a few of these Mids and I always end up with a buzzz type midrange, micro to no bead, straight point and shoot. I’m currently bagging M4 from Prodigy.
I love the feel and deepness of my opto compass. Love the straight flight with right hand back hand throws. I always love nice firm and slick disc.
Amazing that you include all these differents brands! Even the small ones
I bag a Hex, a Reactor, TSA Pathfinder, and an EMac Truth. My favourite midranges are flat, small diameter, and shallow so that they can be used for forehand as well as backhand. The Reactor is great to flick!
I honestly can’t say anything Jesse my putters do the magic of the mid range for me, unless there is a huge head wind. And the drone from Discraft Makes the magic happen! I know it’s not a straight shooter! But love it. I’m super happy your designing a mid range you go Jesse!!!
Truth and Buzz get together and have a baby. Then it grows up and has a one night stand with a Roc! Feel of a Truth, stability and torque resistance of the Buzz and the finish of a Roc. Done!
The AGL Magnolia in the Alpine Hemp Blend plastic is absolutely on point. Feels great in the hand, holds a lot of torque, and wants to fly forever! My pick for sure.
I personally enjoy slightly shallower discs with a flatter top, a slight fade, and a smaller diameter to them. I throw both forehand and backhand and having a disc like this allows me to use them for both.
I love the DGA aftershock. Its not straight out of the gate but beats in beautifully. I prefer a bead or microbead but its all about how it flies for me
I love the Wasp for a nice flex line out of the box, but once beat it it flips up straight with that reliable fade with glide for days.
I'm fairly new to disc golf, but have found that I love the Latitude 64 Fuse Gold X Team Series (John E McCray 5 6 -1 0). It's shallow at 1.2 cm and the Gold X plastic is a little more over stable than the Retro plastic (for example) and is also slightly domier(?). It flies very far and straight for me.
I wish you would have included this one, also.
Great video!
In my experience the feel in the hand is one of the most essential aspects of a disc - it all starts with whether you can get a good grip and feel like you can control the nose angle. Maybe we need to think about better ways to describe 'hand-feel' in general.
From there it tends to be 'dependability' for me - when I throw a disc between 70 - 100% power across the 3 core angles I want the same general flight characteristics even if I make small mistakes (over-powered/under-powered/too much or too little angle)
I've thrown most of these and love a straight mid. I'd really like a flat top mid with a 3 to 4 glide 0 turn and 0 or 1 fade. Low profile even better.
I grabbed a Innova Mako3 in Champion plastic this week and it feels so good in my hand.. flies very straight with the smallest fade on the end. 🥏💨 Highly recommend.
I love my Emac Trutch but just got a MVP Hex from Daddy Mac dyes and I am REALLY enjoying throwing it. Got a warship during the Trilogy Challenge and can't throw it worth a dern. I have buzzes as well but usually use those for forehand shots.
I love sharper rims and shallower mids. They help it feel closer to a fairway than a putter which makes it more comfortable for me to actually push out.
Yes. Putters feel so awkward to throw on drives or even upshots. I like the Innova Stingray for this reason as it feels like a fairway driver
Appreciate you throwing the AGL Brand!! Great company that is going to do some great things!
Hi Jessie, Love what your doing for the sport! I've thrown about half the discs you've tested here. For a straight flyer I love me a Buzzz, Rift, Zombie or Squall (I know the last two are technically fairways but I throw them like a longer midrange
With that said, I think something that incorporates a Buzzz's overall feel/flight, with an Innova Caiman or Prodigy A4 rim thickness and Hex/Paradox/Malta smaller diameter (
I'm a dx rock thrower and a buzz on occasion. However, I would love to have a wide rim mid option. Like a mortor but wider.
I like torque resistance that Buzzz brings and the way it holds anhyzer. Really nice wearing pattern as well. I feel scared throwing Mako3 with any power, although it’s good for shorter distance. Design something that does not flip over too much but still holds the line.
I'm still a very new player and I really put a value on straight flying discs from the start. I prefer no bead but I don't think that's an important element when throwing with a power grip. I wouldn't want it flat, but if it has too much dome I feel like it would be more susceptible to the wind. For depth, I say the deeper the better, but it might be interesting to have two versions that vary the depth like Innova does with its 3 series discs.
i like a shallow mid. no bead. not much turn or fade so that you can more easily adjust throwing speed without left/right deviation. for me it's the dga squall. also, i need a strong plastic because the mid comes out most often on tee boxes in the woods, and i hit those trees. finally, because my main mid comes out most often in the woods, i like to throw it with a little hyzer, so it should hit flat on a baby hyzer at that 260-320 foot arm speed (and not fade out or flip over, hence the low fade and turn preference).
I just got me a HEX and I’m telling ya I love the way she flys!!!!
Fuse is what i use for a straight flight mid... i have more aces with this disc than all aces combined. before this disc emerged it was the Buzzz. i was surprised it was not mentioned in the line up?
I've dabbled in to a few sketch designs and the ideal midrange in my opinion is a semi- shallow in depth with a slanted blunt edge with a rim width of around 14mm with a very slight dome. I'm talking it looks flat until your eye level with it slight dome. I personally throw a hex, star mako3, and 400g prodigy M2 for my straight mid shots. Hex if I need to torque it and on windier days, Mako3 for more touchy finesse shots, and the M2 is my go to straight off the tee and get out of jail straight shot. If I need a laser beam straight mid its the M2.
Hands down my favorite mid is an md3. The musts for me when choosing a mid are: flat top, mild shoulder, flexible flight plate, and a 1.4 rim. If it's going to double duty as a forehand disc, smaller diameter is a huge bonus. Give me a small diameter md3 and it goes in the bag immediately.
I love the eMac truth because I throw with my pointer finger on the outside of the rim and the more concave bottom rims feel odd in my hand. It would be cool to do a rim that in convex top and bottom
Same for me with the Roc. I like to fan grip with my index finger on the bead. Discs like the Buzzz feel a little awkward for me, but would probably be great with a power grip on a drive.
My favorite midrange is a 14 year old Champion Cobra it can be thrown under and over stable. In the video it appeared all had similar flight paths with a few showing more glide. Mako /Buzz is a good target for like-ability in your decision making.
Awesome video! So many good mids. Buzzz is a classic, currently bagging a beat in Ibex for right drifting tunnels and turnovers that don't go too far.
I liked how shallow the mako 3 was. If you could get something like the hex with more weight outside near the rim, but shallow like the mako 3 somehow that would be awesome! Something like 5 5 -0.5 1 would be the best.
I love my Malta and RPM Kea differently, but equally. Blunt edges and great grip feel. Plastic aside, the mold could be deep or shallow as long as it doesn't try to rip your skin off with release!
I like my mids to be beadless with minimal fade at the end. Shallow also feels great. Great video and good luck with the new mid!
I love the DD, Truth. It feels great in hand and it has a flight that is consistent.
I bag a Truth and a pathfinder glow. Used to have an origin too. Something in between those 3 would be interesting in my book I liked all 3 for very different reasons and the all did me good on their own way. Good luck Jesse I'll be picking up what ever you put out interested in tossing a recycled mid in next season's tournaments!
I love a midrange with turn resistance out of the box and a healthy fade (2+) like my beloved Emac Truth. It will beat to a straight flyer and still handle some forehand torque. I like to FH and BH all the discs in my bag and the Emac Truth is my favorite mid to FH and BH.
Durability is a major part of how I pick my midranges. Typically they're thrown in smaller fairways or where touch/shape is needed. This means lots of trees and turns after the stability starts to fade out. That's why I love the svea. It doesn't have so much turn that it can't be compensated to stay straight, and having no fade makes it extremely predictable. The power level is very familiar for almost every midrange.... but the #1 factor that nobody really brings to light with midrange discs, is glide. The Svea is an extreme glide midrange. Very rarely do you see a disc with higher glide rating that it's speed without any fade. This produces flat, stable flight that you can predict, and shape to do what you need it to. It's the ultimate disc to use for any shot. If there was a disc you'd need to try and copy, it's the Svea.
I would love a hex that's a tad more shallow and throw a bead on it, like a Roc3 or Wasp sized bead. I love the hex but I also love a bead on my mids. I wonder if it would somewhat alter the numbers to 5 4 0 1. Maybe similar to a beaded compass. Now I'm just curious.
I know you didn't throw it, but I love the glow reactor. I previously threw the emac truth, Buzzz, chariot, mako3 and origin, and feel it's the best midrange I've ever thrown. A headwind doesn't seem to bother it at all which is very important where I live. The rim is also comfortable off the shelf and it forehands well. Everyone's hands are different but I prefer a nice round and comfortable rim that isn't too deep.
I bag 3 of those: mako3, buzzz, and M model s. They all are a little different, but the mako3 is the one that is straight and holds any angle (sometimes to a fault).
That said, my perfect straight mid would be shallow with a wide rim (like 10cm rim) but flies like a mako3. Probably not physically doable, but I feel like deep mods are harder to aim and control, so something like a Leopard in the hand that flies like a mako3.
Love your vids. Thanks.
I really like the feel of the OOP Innova king cobra, and the flight of the westside claymore. I would love that combination, as I current bag both because I can't pick one.
I really like the mako 3 (star) and origin (neo). They just feel good in the hands and I like they way they fly. Something a little glidier for downwind shots is good too, like a Wombat3. I'm one of the folks who doesn't really care about the bead. "deep" discs feel weird to me though. The shallower ones seem more comfortable.
IMO the Buzzz is one of the greatest discs ever made. I personally think having that reliable amount of turn in a straight mid lets you throw it on any angle and trust it to hold.
I've tried dozens of mid range discs, and by far my favorite has been the Champion Shark. I love the glide, speed and turn of that bad boy. It has given me more birdies than any other disc. I'm also a big fan of the GSTAR vroc. Though that one feels a touch shallow to me.
Same with the shark, it is the utility fir me
Aren't champ sharks impossible to find? Maybe a good reason for someone to make it.
@@prattacaster are they? Haven't checked in a bit. I got one earlier this yeah. F2 Champion shark in pink.
@@prattacaster yeah they are very hard to find, Innova has taken them out production however I think they will have to make more because I just bought out what they had they had on the factory store, They do still make the champ shark 3 which is similar but definitely not the same
I think feel is huge. Smooth on the bottom edge of the disc is a must. There's nothing worse than tearing your hands up trying to throw mids. I was throwing Buzzes and a few other discs when I first started and I thought I hated midranges in general just because of how they felt... Until I tried MVP Reactors/Hex and Mint Mustangs and Thoughtspace Pathfinders. 👍
I have an origin and a star mako3 and I can definitely tell the difference between them. The turn and fade on the origin are both evident. I really like the mako3 for throwing lines that aren’t straight. It holds whatever angle you throw it on except on a flat release I sometimes turn it over. The perfect disc to me would be a mako3 that doesn’t flip when thrown flat.
I've thrown the Buzzz for years as well as a Wasp for when I want more power. Recently I started using a Mint Mustang in Apex plastic. It's definitely a neutral flyer and will hold a lot of lines and I think I like that it has a more consistent fade than the Buzzz. All that being said, I think if I was designing a midrange, I would want something with a flat top as that's what I love most about the wasp.
I really like higher glide and as little fade as possible. For my mid-range shots (for me 225-250feet) its usually for line drive wooded shots and I love a disc I know I can laser at the basket. If I can see it I want to be able to throw consistently a direct straight path. Disc's like a Buzzz SS are great, but tend to finish a bit hard fade for my liking. That from a weaker arm. My current go too is a DD Bounty, so 1.5 turn, a tad more under-stable to make up for my arm speed compared to the Truths. My Bounty's fly very similar to videos of Truths from better throwers.
Things I would like in a mid for feel: Slight dome, rounded nose, slightly concave lower rim, a small bead, medium depth, and small diameter. Like a Skeeter with a mini bead.
Flight characteristics: good glide and moderate to minimal fade. 4,5,0,1
Excited to see what you come up with!
I’m a fan of the rounded ‘scooped’ edge so that if you are a 1) curled finger thrower, it feels controlled as your fingers sit in the curl or 2) a flat finger (like a fan grip) thrower, the rounded edge won’t drag on your fingers as it leaves your hand and finally if you are a 3) finger outside the edge, it rolls off smoothly. Oh, and a tad under stable while max weight (180) should help it move pretty straight with little fade.
For me, the Buzzz is my go to. I also have a Pathfinder and it's a hair more stable than the Buzzz. I really like the Buzzz because it holds whatever angle I put on it. Once you beat it in enough, it's super predictable.
Didn't think I'd like a beaded disc, but when I started throwing the Malta, I fell in love with it! :O
My reaction to throwing the Hex for the first time was also "wow". It just keeps going forward and stays in the air. The disc also feels great in hand. MVP is starting to produce some really nice stuff lately. Can't wait for the new speed 6 and 7 fairways they are coming out with.
Can't wait for the Cypher
If you can't wait just get an Axiom Crave :) they're amazing