I am in the comments right now to say the exact same thing. I am a data scientist by higher ed quals and job title/actual function. In short I am a data scientist with very little experience with Ubuntu and a hobby interest in Arduino and RPi. Recently upgraded my soldering skills. But my skill set gap has been in Linux. Hate to admit it but it’s intimidating despite an accomplished career and very respectable education in data science from a very well respected American university. But I never have been required to use anything based on Unix. So this particular awesome video has served as a bridge between my voluntary hobby and known gaps in my professional skill set. Now I have a very good reason (hobby) and very good intro (this channel). Long story short, “thank you”.
@@HazardousAbacus If you are a data scientist, have you purchased a Orange Pi 5 yet, and tried any TensorFlow, or PyTorch models on this SBC? I am really curious to find out how well the 6 TOPS NPU works on this SBC. Or if anyone has been able to use the on board NPU for that matter.
I just got an Orange Pi 5 Plus, and I'm learning how to spring it to life. I am studying your video with great interest. Thank you for your excellence. You asked for help regarding a very small screw size to fasten down an m.2 device. I think it could be the small screw size that is on the bottom of the POSTS used to fasten down an m.2 SSD. One day on my Asrock motherboard, while trying to remove the small screw from an empty m.2 slot, the post unscrewed with the screw still stuck in the POST. The POST has an integrated bottom screw that is a VERY small diameter. My motherboard has a lot of very small holes in the m.2 slots to accommodate all the different m.2 lengths.
I found a screw that just needs to screw in, and the flange holds it down. I noticed taking apart a RING doorbell. Their security screws holding the metal case are perfect. You might need the screwdriver that comes with RING. For the ssd, I flipped opi5 over and screwed it in through that. The flange on the screw catches it just right
I hope this Orange Pi will have more community support. It is a good starting point since Raspberry Pi won't be out at least until 2024 which took too long.
I love the fact that there is a built in NPU that is rated at 6 TOPS, but I haven't seen anyone that has tried out any Tensorflow, or Pytorch models on this Orange Pi 5. I am trying to find out if anyone has any information about the NPU on the Orange Pi 5.
@@sgodsellify I’m wondering this too! Did you ever find any examples? Do you think it would only be for inference or do you think you could do pre training of a smaller LLM on it? If not, maybe fine tuning or in context learning 🤔… Just running a LLM on it locally would be cool though.
A very useful video. Thanks! Some additional pieces of info that could have come handy to novices: - Mentioning that it is possible (and useful) to configure their DHCP server (usually router) to give this particular MAC address the same IP address every time - A recommendation for a WiFi&BT via USB dongle that will work out of the box - How to use X serve to connect to this machine from another desktop. Failing that, some other way of GUI access - RDP, VNC...
I know, it's kind of sad that building a complete raspberry pi system is now just expensive as buying a better Celeron Nuc type mini computer that is way more powerful..
There are A LOT of bad tutorials put on youtube by losers looking for clickbait and want to make others think they know what they're talking about when they don't. You, sir, are NOT one of those people. Thank you for having a lucid, easy-to-follow, and most importantly, ACCURATE tutorial.
Really helpful content! Especially the boot off of ssd part. I have a 5+ board with emmc, was able to boot it off from my emmc following the same instructions! Huge thanks 🙏
I used an M2 bolt and a nut to fix the nvme to the board and a USB dongle for wifi. USB C to hdmi adaptor for a second monitor. I have been very impressed by your video. I setup my Orange Pi 5's nvme by copying the image I flashed my micro sd with to the desktop. After setting the spi flash which took about 5 minutes I used dd to copy the image to the nvme drive.
@@pisowifingbayanpremium1026 dd is a command-line utility whose primary purpose is to convert and copy files. I followed the user manual 2.5.1 with an image file on the desktop of the micro SD card that was running Ubuntu on the OrangePi5 at the time. Take care to get the exact file name and location.
Thank you for the great video. The OPI5 is the new kid on the block but there is already a lot of activity regarding OS choices, use cases, and documentation. The one omission is on-board WiFi but that can be solved easily with a WiFi USB dongle. One huge feature over the RPi is M.2 storage but getting the OS image onto a NVME SSD can be a bit tricky. The 8gb OPI5 first came out with a price point of $85 but now has quickly risen to $145. Still a good price compared to the Rock Pi 5B or the Khadas Edge 2.
if you boot off a SD card, you can open a browser and use it to download the OS image file once downloaded, right click on it in the file manager a context menu pops up with an option to open the file in an "image writer" app I used this to write Armbian to the NVME drive and it worked flawlessly good luck
I was really impressed with the Orange Pi 5 and the features it offers for its price. The video was very clear and concise, making it easy for anyone to follow along and set up the board. The M.2 storage is a huge plus and the Rockchip SoC provides good support for Linux. I agree with others that it would have been nice to have onboard WiFi, but it's easily solved with a USB dongle. Overall, this is a great option for those looking for a budget-friendly single-board computer with plenty of power and features.
Great video 👍 22:52 -- very helpful note on UUID randomization-dematching for the two drives (nvme vs. microsd). Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
That's exactly why I didn't order one from their Aliexpress store. It's a red flag especially considering that I planned to expose mine to the public internet for an IoT project. Something else that weirds me out about these reviews is that most reviewers just mention the GPIO interface without testing it to inform the audience whether it works and whether there are even supported libraries for it.
I just took delivery of mine. Looking forward to setting it up. Raspberry pi is resting on their laurels and not innovating. I truly hope OP and others gain more support.
The Orange PI 5 version with 16Gb of RAM does offer wifi and bluetooth (M.2 E-KEY) onboard. It also ships with 2x 2.5G ethernet, a mic, IR-receiver, eMMC, 2x HDMI out, 1x HDMI in, audio in/out, 2x USB 2.0, 1x USB 3.0, 1x USB-C port, NVMe PCIe 4x (M.2 M_KEY), touch interface, LCD, camera, Micro SD card slot, 16Mb/32Mb SPI FLASH, 40 pin expansion slot and more... It is a MONSTER!! And I bought one ;-)
Orange Pi 5 and similar boards using RK3588 chips are much more superior to Raspbery Pi 4. Even the previous generation of RK, which is RK3399 was already superior, 3588 can be already used as a full-fledged desktop replacement for most of the tasks. As for the WiFi and Bluetooth you don't need to sacrifice the M.2 slot - you can just find a USB dongle which is compatible to Linux. And the las bit - you didn't need to flash the M.2 NVME drive with stock img you downloaded - you could have just clonned your SD card to it, using the same DD command. The only difference is that you would need to extend the SSD partition after that, to span all your 128 Gb drive and extend a filesystem, but that can be done with just two commands
3:12 True, however it's possible you could compensate for this by making a RAM disk. if you get say the 16gb or 32gb model you can have a script that copies some of your stuff from the micro SD into the RAM directly. In which case it should run faster than the SSD in theory, since RAM disk almost always beats SSD speeds. Whether that pans out in reality with the orange pi is a matter of trying it haha. Curious if anyone's done any sort of benchmark testing with this.
Thank you so much. Just using the nand-sata-install as I am used in a lot of different SBCs didn't work. Just reflashing the SPI as sugested on the internet, also didn't. But burning the image directly to the emmc module using dd finaly made it
Once we can run Proxmox on the OPI5, memory will become very useful when running VM/LXC's. I have a 16GB version with an 2TB 2280 nvme. Edit; just noticed that someone has created an arm-based proxmox version.
Been sing mine for 3 weeks or so and it's a great little board that looks to see great pick-up for both purchase and development in 2023. Whilst I too would have liked to have seen WiFi and Bluetooth, at the price being paid, less likely to be futured. You can get both using a USB adapter, so you can still use an NVME drive too. USB-C gives video out too, so dual monitor support is available. I suspect that down the line they may bring out a new model with wireless connectivity but the price will reflect this. Bearing in mind that it has been in users hands for less than a month, more devs are showing interest. Official support though is almost non existent. The M.2 screw thing is a real pain and Orange Pi should either redesign the holes or supply a screw as part of the purchase.
I'm still waiting to get mine, and will put it through it's paces, but from what I've heard and read, the utility of the NVME drive is fairly crippled by the PCI-E bandwidth. Such that it is only marginally better at best than any other media drive options. If that IS true, then most people should just throw something else in there like the wifi/BT addon that is incoming, or do it themselves with a bridge to a supported wifi/BT card for their OS. I know that's a downer, and it's worth testing to make sure, but everything on the spec sheet suggests that it's probably barely faster than any other storage solution. I think realistically...this might be a bit of a hoodwink, as people will find that it's simply more useful to use the slot for wifi/BT. Since it will take some work and research to figure out how...people will just buy the upcoming wifi/BT M2 addon that Orange Pi will release. Regardless...they kept the cost down on the board, and it's definitely impressive. I think the NVME slot is a dud though. It's essentially useless as a drive expansion, as it's limited at PCI-E 2. Most other media can support similar speeds. So, it's not a huge win. Then we get to what else we can put in there...and there just aren't very many options other than a wifi/BT adapter. If anyone has a great idea, as to what the nvme port can be used for, please explain. It looks pretty bad on investigation though. I can't really wrap my head around this. If the chipset only supports PCI-E 2...why put an NVME port on it at all? Why pretend it is for anything other than the yet to be released add-on card?
@@czerro1 oh damn that is good to now. So the speeds should be similar to the USB3 ports with an external drive? That brings me a sigh of relief then, a smaller dollar footprint for me :) As for why the nvme, it was mostly trying to keep the physical size of the whole setup as small as possible. My plan was to 3D print a case for it, with a VESA mount adapter so I could mount it behind my TV and use it as an upgrarded smart TV + emulation station
@@czerro1 By "most other media" you mean USB or Ethernet attached media, i suppose? Because the microSD card is ten times slower, as demonstrated in the video.
I don't have one, but I'm actually glad that the OPi5 does NOT have wifi. It's good to know that my device won't be making any unrequested connections with wireless networks around me. This is actually a compelling selling point for me.
I live in China, actually in shenzhen where the Orange PI is made. The price here is more than amazon. I am heading to USA to spend a few months with my grandchildren this summer I want to do a project with them during their summer vacation, so I will use the Orange pi 5. My 14 year old grandsons (twins) their dad has a 3d printer he makes cookie cutters. I will need to get the info to print the case, I tried to get on your site but it blocks people from China, I will download when I get back to the USA. Thank you for your video.
Hey, great video, but please don't flash the SPI. It is where U-boot is located, which makes it integral for this thing to boot. It's comparable to a UEFI BIOS. It should only be flashed when you either have to or need to update it! I'm not versed with the OrangePi but there was an option to set the bootenv and that's what you'll need to change. Also please use the "o" key in gdisk to create a new partition table, this will save you the deleting part... ;)
First off I’ve got to say your video is by far the best explanation of how to set up this OP! I just picked up the latest and greatest Orange Pi 5B and there are some differences that have me stumped. I’m trying to set up Homebridge and be able to boot from the on board chip instead of the flash but here’s the main problem. This new OP 5B doesn’t have a port on the bottom for the M.2 mentioned here 7:15. Trust me as now I have an extra new, unused card if anyone needs one. 😂 But instead of a 16mb SPI Flash that you mentioned here 13:25 there’s now a 256GB eMMC flash. So my question(s) is/are is it possible to but both the image to boot and the Homebridge image on this drive? Do I partition it somehow or just put the OP boot image onto it and use the removable flash card with the Homebridge image to operate try to get my smart home devices into HomeKit? It’s times like this I wish I knew more about how these things work. I appreciate any help or feedback.
I used a bolt and screw I had already, but you can use mounting tape. I like this board for a backup incase I need it to apply for a job and my main computer is broken. Great in the electric goes out and I need something that can run on a portable battery.
its the cheapest board with that chip out there, by far. so that cant be the problem. also cheaper then rpi4 by far. wifi is just a dongle away, it could be a problem but not really a dealbraker
I have an OrangePi5Plus. I can put Ubuntu on following your video, thanks. I was trying to set up open media vault and it would not work. I installed Plex from the orangepi-config but I can not get it to connect to my external drive that I mounted. I would love you to do a similar video to this one based on the OrangePi5Plus.
I can't seem to find a 32GB ram version for sale. I would love once since I currently run around 25 docker containers as my home server across 4 X rpi4's. Would be nice to consolidate some of that.
From their site, the 32 GiB version is coming sometime in the undefined future. Possibly Orange Pi don't have the larger RAM chips they need for 32GiB and can't get them at a price they think will work. With CNY coming up I suspect it'll be at least a month away.
I have an OPi 5 plus with 16GB for a NextCloud server, but I can totally see going 32 for that application, as add-ons can hog a lot of RAM. I generally think that people are better off overspecing their RAM if they can, especially on SBCs. SWAP partitions tend to burn microSD or SSD life up. If you turn SWAP off, you need a beefy processor. If you leave it on you need a big SSD to wear level slowly. But the best option is to buy a big RAM pool so SWAP is rarely relevant and none of your components face permanent wear and you can have almost indefinite uptime.
Wells , 32GB one is useful for compiling huge amount of project . Especially for low level program development like kernel and driver development where bigger RAM means more fast memory spaces to fill . 2nd use case i found is for disposable container purpose , more virtualization more work be done securely .
I would also add putting large TensorFlow data models, or PyTorch models in RAM. There is a 6 TOPS NPU built into this SBC as well. But I don't know if TensorFlow, or PyTorch support this hardware NPU yet?
I guess that since this video is 10 months old the orange pi 5 has been upgraded to include WiFi and Bluetooth. I just ordered one from amazon and it states “Onboard WI-FI6+BT 5.0 module, WI-FI6 interface: PCIe, BT interface: PCM+UART” in the description. It even has external antennas for the WiFi.
It seems I'll be sticking to the Orange Pi SBC for future projects. Such as the Orange Pi 64, the Orange Pi Macintosh, or even going as far as the Orange Pi Power Book. taking these vintage machines and bringing them all into the 21st century. I can tell you, these machines are going to turn some heads with the ability to play modern games.
Out of curiosity, what software do you plan to use? Do you compile your own versin of linux somehow or use orangepi:s software that never gets updated? Armbian?
@@unconnectedbedna Well I"m thinking of using something similiar to Mac OS for the Apple Macintosh and Powerbook. as for the Commodore 64? I have no idea.
@@unconnectedbedna Well what I mean is I think for the Apple computers something along the lines of maybe Morph OS? but yeah as for the C64, the idea would be to emulate not just the C64 it's self but run Modern games on something like Ubuntu and with Steam installed.
Doesn't it make more sense to regenerate UUID on the NVMe drive instead of the SD card then you wouldn't need to worry about conflicts with any SD distribution? Not sure if that's more difficult or impossible but just asking..
It seems OrangePi did a good deal sticking to Rockchip SoC. It does make things a little bit better in terms of early on support. H3 and H5 community driven driver development for linux took forever. Allwinner makes good SoC but they only support Android fully. I'd say linux support is vestigial. They don't seem to be interested in higher performance Cortex models as well as they stick to Cortex A53/55 atm.
Hi Thank you so much for the video Not sure if u already have 3D printer video- could u please make one show which one to buy and how it works - which plastic- can it be in apartment?
Thanks for the video. Appreciate! For low speed device, the "DD" test is correct. But for fast devices, the "DD" test is incorrect! Tested on many fast NVMe drives, the result is only ~1.4MB/s. Therefore, the final score is incorrect.
Great video like always... I do have a question. With the PI I added a POE board. Are you able to add that to this board? Plus one other thing your 3D printer you talk about can you share which one you have? I'm looking to get into 3D printing. Keep up the great work. One more thing do you plan on updating UDM-Pro setup for 2023? A lot of changes have been done just thought it would be good well when you have time.
Great video, but as I am currently dealing with this I figured I should let everyone know that the M.2 wifi card you recommend will not work without an M-key to A- or E-key M.2 adapter. The only M key M.2 WiFi card I've seen is the OrangePi supplied one which is in short demand.
You can flash the NVMe drive any way you want (for example by putting it in a desktop motherboard) but you still have to install the NVMe compatible bootloader in the SPI flash memory. I do not think there is a way to do this (yet) without running something on the Orange Pi 5 itself (which means you must have an OS running, booted some other way e.g. from SD card).
Hello, only thing I didn’t understand was you wiped the partitions from 16MB SPI flash storage, then recreated them with Orange pi config, how does this tell the flash “ We Want To Boot Off The NVME Now?” Thanks, Joe
seems like you had a far better experience out of the box than my acquisition of an orange pi 4 a week or so ago... simple act of apt upgrade killed the os... and even base OS didn't have a working web browser. also not very happy about needing a china based repository. and I couldnt get armbian to work on it.
My experience with Orange Pi years ago was even worse than that. Even if the hardware has slightly better specs on paper, the user experience falls way short of the rpi experience.
Great tutorial. I followed your guide with the only difference that I use an external Nvme SSD (Samsung T7) connected via USB 3.0 instead of an internal Nvme SSD. However, it won't start. Is there a tip or trick that I need to do? Thx
Great video - thanks. If at some point I'd like to replace OrangePi5 board for a model with more RAM, would same M.2 drive with "old" OS work in the new one ?
AFAICT you can always boot from SD card, even if the SPI flash is empty. But I am not sure what would happen if the SPI flash was corrupted somehow, maybe it's possible to brick it then.
Thanks Crosstalk Solutions for this great video. I ve got a question. You show a small keyboard in video and you say it can also be used. But user reported to have problems with Bluetooth keybards on the Orange Pi 5 b, it does not work. Did the small keyboard work for you over Bluetooth?
Hello, thank you for this excellent tutorial! Question: after I flash the image to the nvme, it’s always empty and won’t boot. Why isn’t the dd command working?
I have buyed the orange pi 5, I have tried to install the OS in it by following the procedure tried all of the OS and follow the given process in b but I am not able to install using windows. When the booting process is completed my windows give error that you need to format the partitions of the memory card If I ignore the error and just plug out the sd card and insert it in the Orange pi 5. Sometime it detects but restart again and again and sometime it does not detect the OS. What can be possible problem.
@@peplegal8253 Ourlink high gain usb wireless adaptor. However, this one is old and is 600 Mbps. I have had it for several years. The one in the Amazon search now is 1200 Mbps, but it does not mention Linux compatibility.
I migth be intrested in the 32Gb version. I'm thinking of three Orange Pi 5 or simular for a Kubernetes cluster in my homelab. For my use-case it might be a perfect fit with 8 cores, 32Gb ram, gigabit ethernet and M.2 SSD, no need for WiFi or bluetooth or even display. :)
A tiny little ssd1366 could be useful for temps and things. What would be INCREDIBLY useful is a metal bracket to adapt the form factor to that used by the OG raspberry so I can mount the little buggers into the ultronics rack
Great video !!! Thank you !!! But I have a question.... I have a lot of docker containers running on standard Ubuntu 22.04 on a raspberry pi with a SSD-hard drive attached for storage and I would like to migrate to the OrangePi 5 Plus. Is it possible to use the raspberry sd-card and just plug it into the OrangePi to get it get it up and running ? Thanks again...
Nice video. I agree completely with your dislike of the micro hdmi. I hate that Raspberry Pi went with that. I've also been avoiding the Orange Pi for a long time because I don't create my own projects, I follow instructions online and the vast majority of them are for the RaspPi. Thanks for covering an alternative.
Appreciate your review, the "have to choose between WiFi and the SSD" was a real deal killer.
High production value, clear, concise, to the point. You earned a sub, sir. Thanks!
I am in the comments right now to say the exact same thing. I am a data scientist by higher ed quals and job title/actual function. In short I am a data scientist with very little experience with Ubuntu and a hobby interest in Arduino and RPi. Recently upgraded my soldering skills. But my skill set gap has been in Linux. Hate to admit it but it’s intimidating despite an accomplished career and very respectable education in data science from a very well respected American university. But I never have been required to use anything based on Unix. So this particular awesome video has served as a bridge between my voluntary hobby and known gaps in my professional skill set. Now I have a very good reason (hobby) and very good intro (this channel). Long story short, “thank you”.
@@HazardousAbacus If you are a data scientist, have you purchased a Orange Pi 5 yet, and tried any TensorFlow, or PyTorch models on this SBC? I am really curious to find out how well the 6 TOPS NPU works on this SBC. Or if anyone has been able to use the on board NPU for that matter.
I just got an Orange Pi 5 Plus, and I'm learning how to spring it to life. I am studying your video with great interest. Thank you for your excellence. You asked for help regarding a very small screw size to fasten down an m.2 device. I think it could be the small screw size that is on the bottom of the POSTS used to fasten down an m.2 SSD. One day on my Asrock motherboard, while trying to remove the small screw from an empty m.2 slot, the post unscrewed with the screw still stuck in the POST. The POST has an integrated bottom screw that is a VERY small diameter. My motherboard has a lot of very small holes in the m.2 slots to accommodate all the different m.2 lengths.
I found a screw that just needs to screw in, and the flange holds it down. I noticed taking apart a RING doorbell. Their security screws holding the metal case are perfect. You might need the screwdriver that comes with RING. For the ssd, I flipped opi5 over and screwed it in through that. The flange on the screw catches it just right
I hope this Orange Pi will have more community support. It is a good starting point since Raspberry Pi won't be out at least until 2024 which took too long.
I love the fact that there is a built in NPU that is rated at 6 TOPS, but I haven't seen anyone that has tried out any Tensorflow, or Pytorch models on this Orange Pi 5. I am trying to find out if anyone has any information about the NPU on the Orange Pi 5.
@@sgodsellify I’m wondering this too! Did you ever find any examples?
Do you think it would only be for inference or do you think you could do pre training of a smaller LLM on it?
If not, maybe fine tuning or in context learning 🤔…
Just running a LLM on it locally would be cool though.
Finally something beside RISC V that we can be excited about and even buy !
A very useful video. Thanks!
Some additional pieces of info that could have come handy to novices:
- Mentioning that it is possible (and useful) to configure their DHCP server (usually router) to give this particular MAC address the same IP address every time
- A recommendation for a WiFi&BT via USB dongle that will work out of the box
- How to use X serve to connect to this machine from another desktop. Failing that, some other way of GUI access - RDP, VNC...
Lack of availability of the Raspberry Pi has definitely accelerated interest in other options.
100% agree - I may have never even tried out this board if not for my inability to buy Raspberry Pi's. Any other boards I should try out?
I'm so interested in other options since rasp pie is no longer keeping a stock.
Yea it seems we won't see a Pi 5 till 2025 which is what Ebon Upon said and gave context to the decision during a recent interview.
I know, it's kind of sad that building a complete raspberry pi system is now just expensive as buying a better Celeron Nuc type mini computer that is way more powerful..
It will have long term implications.
There are A LOT of bad tutorials put on youtube by losers looking for clickbait and want to make others think they know what they're talking about when they don't. You, sir, are NOT one of those people. Thank you for having a lucid, easy-to-follow, and most importantly, ACCURATE tutorial.
Really helpful content! Especially the boot off of ssd part. I have a 5+ board with emmc, was able to boot it off from my emmc following the same instructions! Huge thanks 🙏
how did you run the orangepi-config tool as there isnt one ??
I used an M2 bolt and a nut to fix the nvme to the board and a USB dongle for wifi. USB C to hdmi adaptor for a second monitor. I have been very impressed by your video. I setup my Orange Pi 5's nvme by copying the image I flashed my micro sd with to the desktop. After setting the spi flash which took about 5 minutes I used dd to copy the image to the nvme drive.
Hi, can you document which usb WiFi dongle you used? I tried one and failed!
@@javiermitchell7073 It is a TP-Link Archer T2U nano that I use
sir what is dd by the way, newbie here
@@pisowifingbayanpremium1026 DD is the Linux command to convert and copy files
@@pisowifingbayanpremium1026 dd is a command-line utility whose primary purpose is to convert and copy files. I followed the user manual 2.5.1 with an image file on the desktop of the micro SD card that was running Ubuntu on the OrangePi5 at the time. Take care to get the exact file name and location.
Thank you for the great video. The OPI5 is the new kid on the block but there is already a lot of activity regarding OS choices, use cases, and documentation. The one omission is on-board WiFi but that can be solved easily with a WiFi USB dongle. One huge feature over the RPi is M.2 storage but getting the OS image onto a NVME SSD can be a bit tricky.
The 8gb OPI5 first came out with a price point of $85 but now has quickly risen to $145. Still a good price compared to the Rock Pi 5B or the Khadas Edge 2.
if you boot off a SD card, you can open a browser and use it to download the OS image file
once downloaded, right click on it in the file manager
a context menu pops up with an option to open the file in an "image writer" app
I used this to write Armbian to the NVME drive and it worked flawlessly
good luck
I was really impressed with the Orange Pi 5 and the features it offers for its price. The video was very clear and concise, making it easy for anyone to follow along and set up the board. The M.2 storage is a huge plus and the Rockchip SoC provides good support for Linux. I agree with others that it would have been nice to have onboard WiFi, but it's easily solved with a USB dongle. Overall, this is a great option for those looking for a budget-friendly single-board computer with plenty of power and features.
Great video 👍
22:52 -- very helpful note on UUID randomization-dematching for the two drives (nvme vs. microsd).
Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
Excellent video - the guide is even better! Thank you, got my Orange Pi up and running with a 128Mb NVMe in about an hour. Good stuff!
Cheers - thanks for watching!
not a chance you got an image thats less than 1 Gb large m8 wtf
@@andrewcarrillo4814Typo m8. *Gb
Love the vids. Been watching since 20k subs or around there. Videos are always getting better, thanks Chris!
Cheers - thanks for being a long time subscriber!
Still awesome info that fixed my issue with installation process. Thanks!
Doesn’t anyone find it weird downloading an OS from Google Drive? 🤔
Classic!
That's exactly why I didn't order one from their Aliexpress store. It's a red flag especially considering that I planned to expose mine to the public internet for an IoT project.
Something else that weirds me out about these reviews is that most reviewers just mention the GPIO interface without testing it to inform the audience whether it works and whether there are even supported libraries for it.
no, what is wrong with that? we use google drive for version management/code sharing in our team...
@@cokeforeverThe software in the google drive share could be manipulated or it could have malware that you cannot see. Verify! Do not trust!
Just use a different OS
that anker soundcore is asome, mine has 7 years and work as new, the battery life is amazing
ordered one today. saved your URL for future reference
thanx, and I subscribed
I just took delivery of mine. Looking forward to setting it up. Raspberry pi is resting on their laurels and not innovating. I truly hope OP and others gain more support.
Thank you, I really appreciate this video, you are basically the only good and usable source for this on the interwebs.
Thank you algorithm for leading me here. I'm going to check this product out for sure.
The Orange PI 5 version with 16Gb of RAM does offer wifi and bluetooth (M.2 E-KEY) onboard. It also ships with 2x 2.5G ethernet, a mic, IR-receiver, eMMC, 2x HDMI out, 1x HDMI in, audio in/out, 2x USB 2.0, 1x USB 3.0, 1x USB-C port, NVMe PCIe 4x (M.2 M_KEY), touch interface, LCD, camera, Micro SD card slot, 16Mb/32Mb SPI FLASH, 40 pin expansion slot and more... It is a MONSTER!! And I bought one ;-)
Nicely done!! Got me going with my Orange Pi 5 in short order.
Chris, love your video.this is exactly what I was looking for!
Orange Pi 5 and similar boards using RK3588 chips are much more superior to Raspbery Pi 4. Even the previous generation of RK, which is RK3399 was already superior, 3588 can be already used as a full-fledged desktop replacement for most of the tasks.
As for the WiFi and Bluetooth you don't need to sacrifice the M.2 slot - you can just find a USB dongle which is compatible to Linux.
And the las bit - you didn't need to flash the M.2 NVME drive with stock img you downloaded - you could have just clonned your SD card to it, using the same DD command. The only difference is that you would need to extend the SSD partition after that, to span all your 128 Gb drive and extend a filesystem, but that can be done with just two commands
That is what I was thinking
For the M.2 mounting, I bought an M.2 screw kit from Amazon and used two standoffs, one underneath and one on top.
3:12 True, however it's possible you could compensate for this by making a RAM disk. if you get say the 16gb or 32gb model you can have a script that copies some of your stuff from the micro SD into the RAM directly. In which case it should run faster than the SSD in theory, since RAM disk almost always beats SSD speeds. Whether that pans out in reality with the orange pi is a matter of trying it haha. Curious if anyone's done any sort of benchmark testing with this.
Thank you so much. Just using the nand-sata-install as I am used in a lot of different SBCs didn't work. Just reflashing the SPI as sugested on the internet, also didn't. But burning the image directly to the emmc module using dd finaly made it
Once we can run Proxmox on the OPI5, memory will become very useful when running VM/LXC's. I have a 16GB version with an 2TB 2280 nvme. Edit; just noticed that someone has created an arm-based proxmox version.
Remember to use processor type native when your create a vm
Now if only we could convince "whoever owns VMware these days" to extend the arm fling 🤔
Been sing mine for 3 weeks or so and it's a great little board that looks to see great pick-up for both purchase and development in 2023. Whilst I too would have liked to have seen WiFi and Bluetooth, at the price being paid, less likely to be futured. You can get both using a USB adapter, so you can still use an NVME drive too. USB-C gives video out too, so dual monitor support is available. I suspect that down the line they may bring out a new model with wireless connectivity but the price will reflect this. Bearing in mind that it has been in users hands for less than a month, more devs are showing interest. Official support though is almost non existent. The M.2 screw thing is a real pain and Orange Pi should either redesign the holes or supply a screw as part of the purchase.
I've been watching this, is development for this promising? Or better to wait for a new iteration?
Any suggestions for a particular trouble-free model of WiFi&BT over USB dongle?
I'm still waiting to get mine, and will put it through it's paces, but from what I've heard and read, the utility of the NVME drive is fairly crippled by the PCI-E bandwidth. Such that it is only marginally better at best than any other media drive options.
If that IS true, then most people should just throw something else in there like the wifi/BT addon that is incoming, or do it themselves with a bridge to a supported wifi/BT card for their OS.
I know that's a downer, and it's worth testing to make sure, but everything on the spec sheet suggests that it's probably barely faster than any other storage solution.
I think realistically...this might be a bit of a hoodwink, as people will find that it's simply more useful to use the slot for wifi/BT. Since it will take some work and research to figure out how...people will just buy the upcoming wifi/BT M2 addon that Orange Pi will release.
Regardless...they kept the cost down on the board, and it's definitely impressive. I think the NVME slot is a dud though. It's essentially useless as a drive expansion, as it's limited at PCI-E 2. Most other media can support similar speeds. So, it's not a huge win. Then we get to what else we can put in there...and there just aren't very many options other than a wifi/BT adapter.
If anyone has a great idea, as to what the nvme port can be used for, please explain. It looks pretty bad on investigation though. I can't really wrap my head around this. If the chipset only supports PCI-E 2...why put an NVME port on it at all? Why pretend it is for anything other than the yet to be released add-on card?
@@czerro1 oh damn that is good to now. So the speeds should be similar to the USB3 ports with an external drive?
That brings me a sigh of relief then, a smaller dollar footprint for me :)
As for why the nvme, it was mostly trying to keep the physical size of the whole setup as small as possible. My plan was to 3D print a case for it, with a VESA mount adapter so I could mount it behind my TV and use it as an upgrarded smart TV + emulation station
@@czerro1 By "most other media" you mean USB or Ethernet attached media, i suppose? Because the microSD card is ten times slower, as demonstrated in the video.
Helpful and informative. Thanks!
Great video! Have you considered doing a video installing home assistant on an Orange pi 5?
I'll upvote this. I was going to ask the same question.
well you probably have many videos like that. this is not first orange pi and and home asistant or openhab will be instaled same way in any case
How about that ability for POE powering the board?
I just recently got a NanoPi R5S to set up as an overall monitor for my homelab mostly because of the 2.5GBE. might want to look at that as well
I love you!!!! You solve so easy the nvme Installation
I don't have one, but I'm actually glad that the OPi5 does NOT have wifi. It's good to know that my device won't be making any unrequested connections with wireless networks around me. This is actually a compelling selling point for me.
I live in China, actually in shenzhen where the Orange PI is made. The price here is more than amazon. I am heading to USA to spend a few months with my grandchildren this summer I want to do a project with them during their summer vacation, so I will use the Orange pi 5. My 14 year old grandsons (twins) their dad has a 3d printer he makes cookie cutters. I will need to get the info to print the case, I tried to get on your site but it blocks people from China, I will download when I get back to the USA. Thank you for your video.
Great vids! I've learned a lot. Also love the LTT desk mat ;-)
Hey,
great video, but please don't flash the SPI. It is where U-boot is located, which makes it integral for this thing to boot. It's comparable to a UEFI BIOS. It should only be flashed when you either have to or need to update it! I'm not versed with the OrangePi but there was an option to set the bootenv and that's what you'll need to change. Also please use the "o" key in gdisk to create a new partition table, this will save you the deleting part... ;)
First off I’ve got to say your video is by far the best explanation of how to set up this OP! I just picked up the latest and greatest Orange Pi 5B and there are some differences that have me stumped. I’m trying to set up Homebridge and be able to boot from the on board chip instead of the flash but here’s the main problem. This new OP 5B doesn’t have a port on the bottom for the M.2 mentioned here 7:15. Trust me as now I have an extra new, unused card if anyone needs one. 😂 But instead of a 16mb SPI Flash that you mentioned here 13:25 there’s now a 256GB eMMC flash. So my question(s) is/are is it possible to but both the image to boot and the Homebridge image on this drive? Do I partition it somehow or just put the OP boot image onto it and use the removable flash card with the Homebridge image to operate try to get my smart home devices into HomeKit? It’s times like this I wish I knew more about how these things work. I appreciate any help or feedback.
I used a bolt and screw I had already, but you can use mounting tape. I like this board for a backup incase I need it to apply for a job and my main computer is broken. Great in the electric goes out and I need something that can run on a portable battery.
Solid deal.. Especially compared to what a pi4 is being scalped at on ebay.... Just ordered off of your links.
Haha, nice to see my case in action :)
Really nice job! For anyone interested, the STL is in the blog post.
I used a NVME to usb dock and BalenaEtcher to directly flash Armbian desktop to a 128Gb NVME ssd and it worked too.
The lack of Wifi and the price being $100 is a killer for me. I have several Pi4s already and can wait for something more complete and lower priced.
its the cheapest board with that chip out there, by far. so that cant be the problem. also cheaper then rpi4 by far. wifi is just a dongle away, it could be a problem but not really a dealbraker
Yep in my opinion not really competitive price wise.
It's $60 for the 4 GB RAM version, just get a cheap USB Wi-Fi dongle.
I bet they address the lack of wifi and BT in a new version pretty soon.
I swear the community had no choice but to back this shit
I have an OrangePi5Plus. I can put Ubuntu on following your video, thanks. I was trying to set up open media vault and it would not work. I installed Plex from the orangepi-config but I can not get it to connect to my external drive that I mounted. I would love you to do a similar video to this one based on the OrangePi5Plus.
no POE support? 10:32?
You're right, I even create a blog to fill the gap of lacking in the documentation.
I can't seem to find a 32GB ram version for sale. I would love once since I currently run around 25 docker containers as my home server across 4 X rpi4's. Would be nice to consolidate some of that.
From their site, the 32 GiB version is coming sometime in the undefined future. Possibly Orange Pi don't have the larger RAM chips they need for 32GiB and can't get them at a price they think will work. With CNY coming up I suspect it'll be at least a month away.
@@tetyoonlee4373 @arogantech it is still not there...
I have an OPi 5 plus with 16GB for a NextCloud server, but I can totally see going 32 for that application, as add-ons can hog a lot of RAM. I generally think that people are better off overspecing their RAM if they can, especially on SBCs. SWAP partitions tend to burn microSD or SSD life up. If you turn SWAP off, you need a beefy processor. If you leave it on you need a big SSD to wear level slowly. But the best option is to buy a big RAM pool so SWAP is rarely relevant and none of your components face permanent wear and you can have almost indefinite uptime.
Thank you. Worked for me.
Other approach (using nand-sata-install) doesn't work for me for unknown reason. Only dd command makes eMMC bootable.
Wells , 32GB one is useful for compiling huge amount of project . Especially for low level program development like kernel and driver development where bigger RAM means more fast memory spaces to fill . 2nd use case i found is for disposable container purpose , more virtualization more work be done securely .
I would also add putting large TensorFlow data models, or PyTorch models in RAM. There is a 6 TOPS NPU built into this SBC as well. But I don't know if TensorFlow, or PyTorch support this hardware NPU yet?
@@sgodsellify afaik it's not supported yet , it's still on the way ...
I guess that since this video is 10 months old the orange pi 5 has been upgraded to include WiFi and Bluetooth. I just ordered one from amazon and it states “Onboard WI-FI6+BT 5.0 module, WI-FI6 interface: PCIe, BT interface: PCM+UART” in the description. It even has external antennas for the WiFi.
It seems I'll be sticking to the Orange Pi SBC for future projects. Such as the Orange Pi 64, the Orange Pi Macintosh, or even going as far as the Orange Pi Power Book. taking these vintage machines and bringing them all into the 21st century. I can tell you, these machines are going to turn some heads with the ability to play modern games.
Out of curiosity, what software do you plan to use? Do you compile your own versin of linux somehow or use orangepi:s software that never gets updated? Armbian?
@@unconnectedbedna Well I"m thinking of using something similiar to Mac OS for the Apple Macintosh and Powerbook. as for the Commodore 64? I have no idea.
@@unconnectedbedna Well what I mean is I think for the Apple computers something along the lines of maybe Morph OS? but yeah as for the C64, the idea would be to emulate not just the C64 it's self but run Modern games on something like Ubuntu and with Steam installed.
Doesn't it make more sense to regenerate UUID on the NVMe drive instead of the SD card then you wouldn't need to worry about conflicts with any SD distribution? Not sure if that's more difficult or impossible but just asking..
It seems OrangePi did a good deal sticking to Rockchip SoC. It does make things a little bit better in terms of early on support. H3 and H5 community driven driver development for linux took forever. Allwinner makes good SoC but they only support Android fully. I'd say linux support is vestigial. They don't seem to be interested in higher performance Cortex models as well as they stick to Cortex A53/55 atm.
Hi. GREAT videos. Can I run home Assistant on Orange Pi 5 . . ? . . . Thanks
Hi Thank you so much for the video
Not sure if u already have 3D printer video- could u please make one show which one to buy and how it works - which plastic- can it be in apartment?
32Go RAM: yes, with Docker, were the CPU is not really important but available RAM is crucial. Anyway the 32Go version is not available.
amazing video! Thanks
Excellent video!
They should supply hashes for the OS images.
Thanks for the video. Appreciate!
For low speed device, the "DD" test is correct.
But for fast devices, the "DD" test is incorrect!
Tested on many fast NVMe drives, the result is only ~1.4MB/s. Therefore, the final score is incorrect.
Great video like always... I do have a question. With the PI I added a POE board. Are you able to add that to this board? Plus one other thing your 3D printer you talk about can you share which one you have? I'm looking to get into 3D printing. Keep up the great work. One more thing do you plan on updating UDM-Pro setup for 2023? A lot of changes have been done just thought it would be good well when you have time.
in stock where?
Thank you for the awesome video! Do you know if these steps are the same for orange pi 5B?
Great !, bro … have you try esxi fling if works?
please do some instalation Unifi controller into Orange Pi 5.. like with the rasperbery Pi.. :)
I like that it doesn't have built in wifi, makes it more secured 😎
Great video, but as I am currently dealing with this I figured I should let everyone know that the M.2 wifi card you recommend will not work without an M-key to A- or E-key M.2 adapter. The only M key M.2 WiFi card I've seen is the OrangePi supplied one which is in short demand.
For security I suggest switching off the huaweicloud repo
I love that it had audio in, a feature that you don't get on a raspi without a hat.
can i use USB>nvme adapter to install Ubuntu directly to nvme?
You can flash the NVMe drive any way you want (for example by putting it in a desktop motherboard) but you still have to install the NVMe compatible bootloader in the SPI flash memory. I do not think there is a way to do this (yet) without running something on the Orange Pi 5 itself (which means you must have an OS running, booted some other way e.g. from SD card).
Hello, only thing I didn’t understand was you wiped the partitions from 16MB SPI flash storage, then recreated them with Orange pi config, how does this tell the flash “ We Want To Boot Off The NVME Now?” Thanks, Joe
seems like you had a far better experience out of the box than my acquisition of an orange pi 4 a week or so ago... simple act of apt upgrade killed the os... and even base OS didn't have a working web browser. also not very happy about needing a china based repository. and I couldnt get armbian to work on it.
My experience with Orange Pi years ago was even worse than that. Even if the hardware has slightly better specs on paper, the user experience falls way short of the rpi experience.
Great tutorial. I followed your guide with the only difference that I use an external Nvme SSD (Samsung T7) connected via USB 3.0 instead of an internal Nvme SSD. However, it won't start. Is there a tip or trick that I need to do? Thx
I just ordered an Orange Pi 3 lts and I was wondering if this video would apply to the 3.
Great video - thanks. If at some point I'd like to replace OrangePi5 board for a model with more RAM, would same M.2 drive with "old" OS work in the new one ?
16:05 - Isn't the Orange Pi now effectively "bricked", if it should lose power?
AFAICT you can always boot from SD card, even if the SPI flash is empty. But I am not sure what would happen if the SPI flash was corrupted somehow, maybe it's possible to brick it then.
The free version of SAP HANA allows up to 32GB for their in memory database. Not sure if its supported on an arm processor though.
Now that RPi 5 is coming, if Orange Pi 5 Plus a better deal in your option?
Thanks Crosstalk Solutions for this great video.
I ve got a question. You show a small keyboard in video and you say it can also be used. But user reported to have problems with Bluetooth keybards on the Orange Pi 5 b, it does not work. Did the small keyboard work for you over Bluetooth?
Could you also add a link to 3d printer image of Orange Pi case?
Hello, thank you for this excellent tutorial! Question: after I flash the image to the nvme, it’s always empty and won’t boot. Why isn’t the dd command working?
I'm not seeing the number 7 option for SPI flash nor does the spi thing show up when trying to delete the partitions, currently on a orange pi 5 pro
I have buyed the orange pi 5, I have tried to install the OS in it by following the procedure tried all of the OS and follow the given process in b but I am not able to install using windows. When the booting process is completed my windows give error that you need to format the partitions of the memory card If I ignore the error and just plug out the sd card and insert it in the Orange pi 5. Sometime it detects but restart again and again and sometime it does not detect the OS. What can be possible problem.
Love this video! I wonder if an OPi 5 will support PfSense?
That is an interesting and knowledge enhancing video. I have one question. My system is based on Raspbian OS, how to I shift to this OS?
Great video/ Do you have a video of how to set up an SBC like the Orange pi 4 or 5 as an email server?
Can you power it via Poe?
No - it doesn't have PoE support - but you can use something like this: amzn.to/3W2rsNI
Hey Chris. Is it possible to run Freepbx on the Orange PI? If so, can you do a video about it in the future?
It's Good to see more companies coming into the market it helps with the high demand and pricing on these boards.💯😊
I use a cheap USB wifi dongle in the USB 3.0 slot. It works great for the internet.
Which OS / OS's you're running?
@@cenchloraadums3143 The Focal Ubuntu 20.04 version that Orange Pi has on their website or website link for Orange Pi.
What Wifi dongle are you using ?
@@peplegal8253 Ourlink high gain usb wireless adaptor. However, this one is old and is 600 Mbps. I have had it for several years. The one in the Amazon search now is 1200 Mbps, but it does not mention Linux compatibility.
Will this run Home Assistant in supervisor mode - painlessly?
I migth be intrested in the 32Gb version. I'm thinking of three Orange Pi 5 or simular for a Kubernetes cluster in my homelab. For my use-case it might be a perfect fit with 8 cores, 32Gb ram, gigabit ethernet and M.2 SSD, no need for WiFi or bluetooth or even display. :)
A tiny little ssd1366 could be useful for temps and things. What would be INCREDIBLY useful is a metal bracket to adapt the form factor to that used by the OG raspberry so I can mount the little buggers into the ultronics rack
Great video !!! Thank you !!! But I have a question.... I have a lot of docker containers running on standard Ubuntu 22.04 on a raspberry pi with a SSD-hard drive attached for storage and I would like to migrate to the OrangePi 5 Plus. Is it possible to use the raspberry sd-card and just plug it into the OrangePi to get it get it up and running ? Thanks again...
Can we install omada controller on this OPi 5?
Nice video. I agree completely with your dislike of the micro hdmi. I hate that Raspberry Pi went with that.
I've also been avoiding the Orange Pi for a long time because I don't create my own projects, I follow instructions online and the vast majority of them are for the RaspPi. Thanks for covering an alternative.
Do you think we could boot recalbox in this board ?