How to WIN LANE - One Simple Tip - Laning Guide Dota 2

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  • Опубликовано: 16 дек 2024

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  • @KristophJeffers
    @KristophJeffers 6 месяцев назад +65

    With all the laning tip videos i've ever watched, nobody has ever made a strong point about this.
    With the 2v1 concept, now I have it in my mind to always watch for the triangles.
    Great advice!

    • @imjusttrolling7944
      @imjusttrolling7944 5 месяцев назад +1

      creep management also comes 2nd from this.. when i play sometimes i still make mistake when i go into an enemy with a inflated creep wave even if its 2v1 you will lose because there's too many creeps on enemy side..
      im a low rank so dont flame for not managing my creeps properly.

    • @macchi8882
      @macchi8882 4 месяца назад +1

      Im an immortal but i didnt realize this was a thing. Now, with this in my mind, i will always abuse 2v1 advantagea

  • @ahmadmuazmohaspa5106
    @ahmadmuazmohaspa5106 6 месяцев назад +11

    i showed this to my regular duo. and lemme tell you. our laning phase improved by a lot. thx for the tip. This was so simple and yet so effective

  • @valour549
    @valour549 7 месяцев назад +79

    This is one of my biggest gripe when playing POS 3, my POS 4 is simply not beside me for the first few levels, because they are too busy fighting for bounty runes or teleport to another lane so early. Then my lane literally becomes impossible because I get zoned out or bullied 2v1. IDK why lots of POS 4's think its worth whatever they are running off doing.

    • @masteraqua2408
      @masteraqua2408 7 месяцев назад +35

      Entitled clueless carry spotted hahaha

    • @xFloriano66
      @xFloriano66 7 месяцев назад

      Sometimes as a pos4 I may stay a minute mid or safe trying to give an advantage doing trades, not sure if it's right but it sounds honest imo

    • @sneakychicken
      @sneakychicken 7 месяцев назад +1

      Sometimes staying mid for a short time and spamming a couple nukes can win mid a close lane. But don't stay to long and sap ex from mid or it has the opposite effect

    • @andorrerevenge5319
      @andorrerevenge5319 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@sneakychicken most of if not always mids that pos 4 rotated to do nothing to grief lane, always ends up worse and useless entire game, offlaners have much more impact in the game because midlaners need to defend mid and hit creeps to get items

    • @andorrerevenge5319
      @andorrerevenge5319 7 месяцев назад

      @@xFloriano66 and who needs early gank in midlane before minute 5?

  • @MieczyslawPawelKolenda
    @MieczyslawPawelKolenda 4 месяца назад +2

    I actually forgot about it... I am legend and only thing I was considering is "who is stronger in lane and when" like flat out who does more damage etc. I was trying to figure out for very long time how some pros manage to get a kill on for instance, lvl 5 MK whilst his pos 5 is still "In the lane". It is actually so helpful!

  • @yoloboi9489
    @yoloboi9489 7 месяцев назад +12

    Not only for laning. Also for pickoffs. I realize low mmr like to fite 5v5 or 4v5 instead of finding pickoffs like 4v2 or 4v1. There is a reason ur carry is split pushing, he is splitting the enemy so u can outnumber the enemy.

  • @M.e.h..
    @M.e.h.. 6 месяцев назад +6

    Wow this should really be the emphasis on how to win lanes, i've watched hundreds of vids on how to get better but no one has mentioned this point, or atleast not as directly as you did to make us understand how they win trades.
    I started demolishing my lanes as a pos 1 but now i need to learn how to win the damn game. I go like 6 and 0 in the first 10 ish minutes and somehow my farm is still same or lower than the enemy carry with like 4 deaths and we end up losing late game 40 mins plus

  • @joseluis7965
    @joseluis7965 7 месяцев назад +6

    Thank you, Ballon, for the great content you create. I am from Latin America and speak Spanish, but it's not an obstacle to watching your videos because I translate them into Spanish. I've currently raised my MMR by 1000 thanks to your videos. I pay close attention to the details, and the videos are no longer enough for me. Thank you for your great work in making videos. I look forward to your next upload.

  • @prismqubic
    @prismqubic 6 месяцев назад +5

    2v1 is a game changer for me. I just used this method and leverage any 2v1 situations I can find. Makes the game so much easier and I can secure the win, 4 games in a row. Thanks! Can't wait to see your update! and ofcourse I'm 1.4k

  • @LegendaryDrunkenMaster-mw3be
    @LegendaryDrunkenMaster-mw3be 5 месяцев назад +2

    Hey dude,
    Really enjoy the channel. Been learning and improving alot due to your videos, practice and most of all be more aware and think dota.
    Thanks dude! Working hard to reach legend.

  • @AoZenith
    @AoZenith 3 месяца назад +2

    Good video. I'm a 7k immortal pos 5 that has started coaching lower MMR players for fun.
    This video has helped me brush up on my knowledge on how we should be laning,

  • @CardCaptor32584
    @CardCaptor32584 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you for posting this. As a support player, it's brutal when i match up with cores that aren't watching for the 2v1 situations. They either hide and do nothing but hit creeps or suicide.

  • @JonLowe14
    @JonLowe14 6 месяцев назад

    honestly, i just want the mechanics to draw as fast as this guy let alone play and target that fast lmao really loving these!

  • @199121599
    @199121599 6 месяцев назад

    In example 2, the oracle was in range. It is not a 2v1, but instead level advantage. At 2:20 gametime he is level one. With his E that engagement's outcome would have been different

  • @wordwariii687
    @wordwariii687 6 месяцев назад

    support in the zone for 2v1 is the best early strategy Tried and tested for a very long time in high rank games !!!

  • @darthbinks5987
    @darthbinks5987 4 месяца назад

    In my regional server people have a bit different mentality. They do trading all the time completely forgetting about creeps. The higher you go the more they actually last hit, the thing changing is they start pressing buttons together instead of randomly throwing spells for nothing and they start to consider amount of resources and creeps around that also have some effect on trades.

  • @ppapdddar6159
    @ppapdddar6159 7 месяцев назад +2

    That was actually a quite eye opening advise.

  • @bob_mikhail
    @bob_mikhail 6 месяцев назад

    Its a nice way to look at laning stage I suppose.
    Although, 6:41 contrary to your advise to have high hp, lion goes into the fight with low hp and wins the trade.
    I think attacking enemy hero is always a risk

  • @mcqueenweiyang3855
    @mcqueenweiyang3855 6 месяцев назад +1

    Can u do a video for how to position in team fights for heroes like storm bat puck etc (position heroes)

  • @kendricksolace9150
    @kendricksolace9150 5 месяцев назад

    This is one of the oldest early play way back in dota 1 when it is still played via lan game because it is easy to communicate with your team.
    The problem here is, you also have to consider the hero match up if you want to abuse 2v1 as this is not always as effective as everyone though.
    And ofcourse, it is now very hard to pull this of unless you really have a good comms.

  • @abam9787
    @abam9787 6 месяцев назад +1

    the "caught you lacking, get jumped on" strat

  • @lyjaugs
    @lyjaugs 7 месяцев назад +1

    i reached immortal yesterday, thank u

  • @Segundo_Grande
    @Segundo_Grande 6 месяцев назад +4

    Ever tried this in

    • @Bobsyourunclebro
      @Bobsyourunclebro 12 дней назад

      Yeah you get thise cool lane mates much less than 50% of the time so the herald road is just a roundabout 😢

  • @bslsk.o
    @bslsk.o 7 месяцев назад +1

    Is it worth to leave a winning lane to help other losing lanes or staying benefits better?
    The 2v1 punishing is very interesting and I will try to apply in my games. But I think as a lower mmr player, both pair of hero should be very good at casting their spell. If not something will go wrong and massive cs will be wasted.

    • @BalloonDota
      @BalloonDota  7 месяцев назад +1

      As long as you are winning, do not leave until you are sure you have absolutely secured your core in lane and there is nothing else better to do in lane (enemy playing too safe, core safe alone, core winning lane alone).

    • @darkot7266
      @darkot7266 Месяц назад

      Pretty sure that if they are winning the lane, and their safe lane is being destroyed and constantly pushed deep in tower range, he should immediately tp there... People be hugging their lane 2 much some times, for no reason

  • @bondlukman
    @bondlukman 7 месяцев назад +1

    my long waited video finally release!

  • @lukeatillo6954
    @lukeatillo6954 7 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for the great advice coach! ✨🙏💖😁✨

  • @LilWayne3000
    @LilWayne3000 5 месяцев назад +1

    very informative and helpful deserve a subscribe

  • @lucaszuazo7477
    @lucaszuazo7477 7 месяцев назад +1

    I'm a big fan of your content!

  • @M1dKnight1am
    @M1dKnight1am 6 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks bro!

  • @MiraclesOfGeneration
    @MiraclesOfGeneration 7 месяцев назад +1

    Just applied this to my game and won easily thank you for this free and useful video!
    Hope to see more videos
    Subscribed and bell notif for you man .
    I wish I can get coaching
    Do you have any other payment methods>?

    • @BalloonDota
      @BalloonDota  7 месяцев назад

      Hi, you can pay through paypal or fiverr ya. Or if you are from Malaysia or Singapore, then direct transfer also works.

  • @yohaneshandinata7339
    @yohaneshandinata7339 6 месяцев назад +1

    Is there any give away or discount for coaching brother? Im interest to join

    • @BalloonDota
      @BalloonDota  6 месяцев назад

      hi, discounts are given for long-term packages. you may contact me on Discord to know more ya.
      My Discord ID is BaLLooN#5243

    • @yohaneshandinata7339
      @yohaneshandinata7339 6 месяцев назад

      @@BalloonDota already added sir i im goder1303 i hope we can talk for more 😁

  • @vaan97531
    @vaan97531 4 месяца назад

    Outside of identifying enemy laner mistakes, what can you do to create or even force enemy laners into a 2v1 situation. How can you get them into a bad spot?

    • @BalloonDota
      @BalloonDota  4 месяца назад +1

      @@vaan97531 hi, this is mostly done by creep aggroing to bait enemy out of position to try and secure ranged creep

    • @vaan97531
      @vaan97531 4 месяца назад +1

      @@BalloonDota thank you for the response 🙏

  • @TheAriozy
    @TheAriozy 7 месяцев назад +1

    So for carry or offlane, its okay to leave last hit for 2vs1 situation?

    • @BalloonDota
      @BalloonDota  7 месяцев назад

      The ideal scenario would be to get the last hit together with the harass (kill the creep then start trading, or both kill the creep and harass the enemy at the same time with AOE spell if you are a hero that can do that). If not, then yes, if you can dish out a ton of damage to the enemy hero right in the moment over a last hit, preferably pick that instead.

    • @TheAriozy
      @TheAriozy 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@BalloonDota okay sir, I tried that 30mins ago, I go bara as offlane, and 2vs1 worked so well. Thankyouu so much for the knowledge

  • @kayl9967
    @kayl9967 7 месяцев назад +1

    ty man , this one might help alot more vids tutorials pls

  • @vvvvv17174
    @vvvvv17174 7 месяцев назад

    When I play aggresive like luna in #1, my stranger pos5 is either too afraid or flaming me instead

  • @alexanderthegreat1182
    @alexanderthegreat1182 6 месяцев назад

    need also to know the hero level power spike

  • @Lucas-gt8en
    @Lucas-gt8en 7 месяцев назад

    Oh no I agreed with every “low mmr lake assumption” 😂

  • @sheltoncarlo8599
    @sheltoncarlo8599 5 дней назад

    The bad thing about low mmr games is that it’s low mmr and you can have someone with 1000 games that can’t play and someone with 400 games that has a way better eye for strategy and team coordination but gets stuck because of the bad plus just running away because they got stunned in the first trade off… such a hit and miss game

  • @atillafatihunver617
    @atillafatihunver617 7 месяцев назад +2

    İn luna example she could have died if wd was smarter... how can taking that risk could be good!

    • @thiag0d
      @thiag0d 7 месяцев назад +2

      He is just using it as a example, of course execution and mechanic skills matter in these situations, but he is just talking about how abusing 2v1 scenarios will give your lane the most advantage, but it’s a complex game, of course lane manipulation, last hit/deny, knowing power spikes, buying proper trading items, outsustaining with regen items, mechanical skills, etc, will all add up to the final result

    • @atillafatihunver617
      @atillafatihunver617 7 месяцев назад

      @@thiag0d ooh, reaaly? thansk for pointing. And i am pointing life is not that easy...

    • @thaitichi
      @thaitichi 7 месяцев назад

      I feel like all the guide videos "feel" like good advice because the person is commenting on something they already know is going to happen, and so it "feels" like they know what they are talking about. Dota is complicated. Take what you can from these videos. Literally just watched a video before this where someone was arguing the exact opposite.
      We all watch these videos, play a game, and if we win we think "OMG they were right". If it were this simple we would all be 9K.
      Best advice I can give: Remember to have fun

  • @RodolfoUBRS
    @RodolfoUBRS 4 месяца назад

    whats that drawing software? name pls

    • @BalloonDota
      @BalloonDota  4 месяца назад

      @@RodolfoUBRS this is EpicPen

    • @RodolfoUBRS
      @RodolfoUBRS 4 месяца назад +1

      @@BalloonDota Thanks, brother! BTW, this is a fantastic video that covers such a crucial aspect of the laning phase. It's the first time I've seen someone address this topic, and it's incredibly important. i play as hard support and Ive lost some friends trying to explain this when they play as carry lmao...

  • @o.m.9752
    @o.m.9752 4 месяца назад +1

    okay in depth actual excellent video, not fucking around here
    QUALITY.
    SUUUBB SCRIIIBED

  • @MrLin0690
    @MrLin0690 7 месяцев назад

    I was always thinking that as a support you will always fix the lane thats why i pull everytime if the creeps are near on the enemys tower and ignore solo kills because to close on the tower.am i wrong on this or not?(Sorry for bad english)

    • @BalloonDota
      @BalloonDota  7 месяцев назад +2

      Pulling should only be done in a losing or even lane that you cannot trade. Otherwise, priority is always given towards winning lane and trading favorably with your partner in lane (2v1 etc). Never leave lane as support unless you know that it is a lane you cannot trade based off matchup, resources and other factors.

    • @MrLin0690
      @MrLin0690 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@BalloonDota thank you brother

  • @doktorernst5864
    @doktorernst5864 6 месяцев назад +1

    Completely wrong. The most efficient play for supports is
    1. Stay back behind your core as far as possible
    2. Conserve your attacks. Use them exclusively to compete with your teammate for cs (important)
    3. Do not get hit and DO NOT press a spell until at least minute 4. Save your mana and hp for next game (you can sell your tangos back as well)
    4. When your tier 1 eventually dies, get straight to jungle farming until you net about 10k gold. Never show in lane or get close to your teammates. They will leech your xpm.
    4. During this process, periodically flame your team for being useless. This step is absolutely crucial, keep reminding yourself.
    5. Although you never endanger yourself, somehow accrue the highest death count in the entire match (havent figured this one out yet, maybe you can give me some advice)
    This is what i gathered from closely watching my pos4 witch doctor today. He seemed to know what he was doing and was very sure of himself.

  • @atillafatihunver617
    @atillafatihunver617 7 месяцев назад +5

    When i see solo laner and ping him. My supports tell me to farm on mic. Until i write "enemy is solo", he is no longer solo...

  • @Nihhuz
    @Nihhuz 6 месяцев назад +1

    The greatest dota coach!

  • @arneldahuya1671
    @arneldahuya1671 17 дней назад

    It's really hard to play solo if u play rank ur very lucky if ur hadrd support is really helping you to farm

  • @cyrilglenna.maglasang9897
    @cyrilglenna.maglasang9897 5 месяцев назад +1

    thank you bro! that's why we always losing llanee HHAHAHAH in 3 to 4 mins

  • @mucahit-inel
    @mucahit-inel 6 месяцев назад +1

    thank you

  • @unnamedshadow1866
    @unnamedshadow1866 6 месяцев назад

    One tip though. Never chase a Bristleback. There are a few heroes that are an exception to the rule.
    LC can solo offlane and even kill you.
    In cases like this zoning them out is just as good.

  • @ALexalex-ss4sb
    @ALexalex-ss4sb 7 месяцев назад

    i have a problem i want to play more but my wirst hurts a lot if i play 3 or 4 times a day xd

  • @phatyy-
    @phatyy- 7 месяцев назад +1

    ty balloon

  • @colddarkness1798
    @colddarkness1798 4 месяца назад

    Lich and IO hard brutal support is my play or Bane I love all hard support heros love helping teammates when I start playing support I got from lowest rank to crusader almost out of that rank nothing to do with video but like even your choosing your heroes is important

  • @Musyaros
    @Musyaros 2 месяца назад

    The thing is, this is impossible to do when you solo queue, carry will always sit back and farm no enemy pos awareness

  • @emberdota2
    @emberdota2 6 месяцев назад

    Nice content boss

  • @johnreybonin9813
    @johnreybonin9813 19 дней назад

    can you coach me I'm stuck in Archon :(
    Pos 4 or 5

  • @nathanwance2833
    @nathanwance2833 7 месяцев назад +1

    ty

  • @mrguy9118
    @mrguy9118 7 месяцев назад +6

    When playing with randoms, always assume you won't get help. MAN UP AND PLAY ON HARD MODE.

  • @playdota2CS4fun
    @playdota2CS4fun 5 месяцев назад

    Bro, i am in search of a rly good coach to up my game on offlane, or like my dream pos 2, i usually go pos 1 and pos 2, but with the new facets its hard as it is u know, and u seem too know alot, i am 6.2k mmr EU, just answer here or anything. Looking for a coach. good ones only. ;)

    • @BalloonDota
      @BalloonDota  5 месяцев назад

      Hey man, feel free to reach out to me on Discord to discuss further about your goals and issues faced, I will be happy to help.
      My Discord ID is BaLLooN#5243

  • @tipakornjomko2998
    @tipakornjomko2998 6 месяцев назад

    what about i have stupid pos 5

  • @daedaluxe
    @daedaluxe 2 месяца назад

    This doesn't work when the carry you're supporting just decides for the first 15 minutes to hit only creeps and not heroes lmfao. This happens so often in archon. It's like, ok dude, let's just lose the lane by default, you concentrate on your creeps, I'm sure this is going to work out as you get constantly harassed.

  • @hosseinjh9948
    @hosseinjh9948 6 месяцев назад

    Bro just climbed 500 mmr after this video

  • @ThanosWasRightt
    @ThanosWasRightt 3 месяца назад

    Difference between those examples and my games is that on none of those examples you had a pudge pos 5. Hell, none these examples you didn't have a pos 5!!

  • @airbornesnow4541
    @airbornesnow4541 7 месяцев назад

    Please mention if a company sponsored a video. It’s not only required by law but it’s also a sign of integrity

  • @Cailcairo
    @Cailcairo 4 месяца назад

    welp guess what. my support is sniper/NP. farmed at early. so its always 2v1 😂

  • @WokedOx
    @WokedOx 5 месяцев назад

    Is this even high mmr gameplay? Like im only 6k and this gameplay looks super low to me

  • @LethalDarknessHD
    @LethalDarknessHD 3 месяца назад

    instuctions unclear, now i am 1v3 constantly ( my teammate is against me )

  • @j4hzone531
    @j4hzone531 5 месяцев назад

    In SEA PH no one picks support if u support your carry is not gonna play with you he will ignore everything your telling him😂 so better pick carry and do support stuff, 3in1 is a thing in SEA

  • @Qwexort-gaming
    @Qwexort-gaming Месяц назад +1

    It's a good video but I think that first clip where u bully WD is just because he didn't buy a wand against a sky wrath 😂 I think he's just a bad player

  • @swankfox9112
    @swankfox9112 21 день назад

    I feel as if we may as well be talking about a different game sub 2k mmr.

  • @jaiiskemberlou642
    @jaiiskemberlou642 7 месяцев назад

    Nah, it doesn’t work all the time.
    As a longtime pos 5 player, i always win lane by out leveling enemy offlanes by blocking their camps sentry wars, pulling camps then leaving the exp zone for my carry, if they dive in i can just go in 1 meter away 😁
    Worst case scenario, my carry is range carry low hp, enemy offlanes hard disablers, thats the time I use that 2v1 system. Chao!

  • @masranggaramandika
    @masranggaramandika 6 месяцев назад

    Damn meirl doing spam pull everywave....

  • @Zzzzz-224
    @Zzzzz-224 15 дней назад

    that's why I abuse Zeus as support.

  • @nirwanaeathell
    @nirwanaeathell 7 месяцев назад +1

    DO NOT SUPPORT GAMBLING, STAY AWAY FROM IT.

  • @HerschelVjepxa
    @HerschelVjepxa 6 месяцев назад

    Hi mr nothingtosay

  • @alisalehi773
    @alisalehi773 3 месяца назад

    ❤❤❤

  • @1Mrspot
    @1Mrspot 7 месяцев назад +1

    😀

  • @johnduero7287
    @johnduero7287 6 месяцев назад

    is this applicable in sea hahaha

  • @BenSilver10
    @BenSilver10 7 месяцев назад

    "Playing dota is very simple, but playing simple dota is the hardest thing there is." Cruyff, Johann

  • @OliverMarian-p9w
    @OliverMarian-p9w 3 месяца назад

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  • @ICPCLOVERS
    @ICPCLOVERS 7 месяцев назад

    легенда))

  • @HerschelVjepxa
    @HerschelVjepxa 5 месяцев назад

    Hi nothingtosay

  • @jacoboreyes5340
    @jacoboreyes5340 2 месяца назад

    so blaming supports for leaving you to do nothing productive.

  • @xiaofeiye4877
    @xiaofeiye4877 6 месяцев назад

    Completely wrong understanding of the laning
    Firstly, you can't predict the skill of the pos5 at all in a rank, and the first thing you need to do as a carry is to make sure your farm.
    Secondly, in Luna's case, you killed WD but DB also killed you and he would gain more experience, and at the 3 minute mark as a carry he only got two last hit.
    Third, why are all the reocrd in anonymous mode, there is every reason to believe that these matchups don't have high MMR scores.
    I'm also an 8500mmr carry player, but the difference is that I've only played 3700 hours while you've played 40,000 hours. I see you are from Malaysia. Malaysia has a lot of top players like Vtfaded who played fake matches and got Ban'd. his MMR is 13,000 but even he, when smurfing, plays 7,8000 mmr game and doesn't even try to kill the pos3 unless it's a dominant matchup like troll vs Slard

    • @BalloonDota
      @BalloonDota  6 месяцев назад +3

      Anonymous mode is meant to protect the privacy of the players and my students in the game. Unfortunately the video does not relate to you, nothing I can do to help change that. These are not games by me but by my students. They reflect the real world situation in lower mmr pubs. Using high mmr games played by myself in my bracket to teach the general population of dota is an extremely flawed way for lower mmr players to learn the game since teammates and enemies' skill levels are completely different.

    • @naufalkemal4698
      @naufalkemal4698 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@BalloonDota i love how you responded to above message, it is very low profile, one more like for me to your video

  • @nandadevanugrahaa
    @nandadevanugrahaa 7 месяцев назад

    This guide is so wrong. Cs is really important for cores and you go aggressive depends on draft and support you had. And look over the opportunity if enemy overextended or out of position. Do not follow this guide

    • @BalloonDota
      @BalloonDota  7 месяцев назад

      Sorry if the video did not come across clearer. If you actually watch through the video, you will notice that I do mention matchups, resources and overextension from enemy. Unless you understood the point of the video, the message will most likely come across as what you assume you learnt from the video.