CL Smooth talk about his fallout with Pete Rock
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They were so perfect together. CL doesn't get enough credit. He wasn't a slouch by any means.
His verse on Down With The Kings🔥🔥🔥
Fact
Take him off Pete rock beats, he's wack. Name one classic smooth song without Pete. Let's not lie here.
@@jonathansoko1085
This argument is pretty pointless because a lot of rappers wouldn't have their best material if it wasn't for working with certain producers.....ALOT
C.L. was the perfect compliment to Pete's beats & your hate can't take away those classics.
My step dad used to play Reminisce over and over when we were young....he passed away suddenly from cancer two years ago. I will never forget that song, or his memories. Fly in peace George Macer!
🫡🫡🫡to you and condolences to yours. Life is all about memories. Salute to those who created our fondest memories
@@pwest1101 absolutely! That's what it's about And thank you
My sincere condolences brother. I love that your step dad put you up on game with “Reminisce” as I exposed my son his whole life and he is now 21. He has your similar story but more than that, your step dad turned you on the greatest hip hop song of all time.
Respect.
Very, very, very few artists on my Playlist in HS/college I'm the mid-late 90s are still there today. Pete Rock & CL Smooth are one of those artists.
@@26MECHmy condolences
One love to Del La Soul for never breaking up.
Lox
@@rillyjo5810 True True.
M.O.P. as well...
Those are the ONLY three groups I can think of which never broke up...
Naughty by Nature?
@@Roccofantrech and Vin-roc had beef and trech said on Twitter he kicked him out the group
I can literally sit and listen to CL Smooth talk for hours. Even when he's talking he sounds like he's rapping. His tone of voice is just impeccable. The perfect hip hop voice.
I was thinking the same thing, absolutely no difference. He'd make for a good audio book narrator.
CL Smooth a very underrated MC. He was very lyrical. TROY is a classic.
Mecca & The Soul Brother… Classic.
One of my favorite albums of all time. I wore that tape out till it had no visible letters on it, then bought another one and did the same thing again.
The Main Ingredient was as good.
When we reminisce over you. Classic
Man...they just need to drop another
They definitely need to " Straighten it out"!!! That track still a banger!!!
FACTS!!
When I reminisce over you
😂😂😂aaahhh yyeaaa
@@spenser6353T.R.O.Y 🔥🔥🔥
CL’s explanation made a lot of sense 💯
Pride and Ego are the worst defect of character to have. Trust me I know. I have both of them
Respect the self awareness ✌🏾
None of us are perfect. Awareness is the first step towards healing and growth.
he broke it down really well ...they get a budget ,PR uses most of it by using samples but then refuses to go on tour ...Meanwhile their success makes other rappers call PR for beats so his main income is elsewhere while CL cant eat from it . PR has all the power
Guru had a similar issue ,that´s one of the reasons why he created his jazzmataz series away from primo
I don't quite agree with that. Preemo always said Gang Starr was a 50-50 split with royalties from record sales, and touring. Guru created Jazzmatazz just to do something different, not because of income issues. Guru's situation is completely different from CL's.
Then guru got robbed by his new guy
@@Waynestarr i didnt say their business was funny but primo was taking time off to produce for others and i´ll bet he made more money that way Guru chose not to wait on him and created his own thing which was the best option.
@@whatudoin1I've always felt a certain type of way about Preem giving his most classic beats away to outside artists instead of Guru. Gang Starr has an immaculate catalog dont get me wrong but if Guru would've had beats like NY State of Mind, Bring It On, Boom, When I B On tha Mic and so on, they could've propelled even further
This is how it works for producers though, that's why they get paid so well. CL should've either learned how to make beats or pivoted to working with another available producer.
Y’all wasn’t outside for Pete Rock an CL Smooth 😮💨
Go sit down old head
What a time!
Say it again!!!
Shiiiiid! This generation only knows the mainstream wack artist that the industry promote.
Im Reminiscing over it my gosh.
Pete Rock & C L Smooth,Hip Hop's Dynamic Duo of the 90's.
CL is dropping some jewels. Always 3 sides to a story and perspective on a revealer
Nah, sounds like he was upset Pete Rock had other artist he worked with. So we telling Dr Dre, Timberland and other talented producers to just work with one artist. Nope
@@Mister75199YOU SEE IT! That’s exactly what it was. Pete could make money working with other people and CL could only make money working with Pete.
@@Mister75199it was a different time remember illmatic broke the mold of producer rapper duos or groups, he had production from a lot of the top producers it literally changed the game for hiphop
I heard CL put hands on pete,from Pete's response he definitely had animosity in his message...saying "Dude"......"Im cool"......"I wish dude the best"
Interesting
As soon as u put hands on someone, the respect is over. Forever.
If that's what really happened then I understand why Pete would
decline.
@@theharshtruth8563 respect
Yeah I seen this. Whenever a grown man says he's good or cool .
.that's it. Nothing else to it. To hear how CL speaks .... Makes me feel like it could be worked out for us, but... If the producer wants zero parts.... We gotta respect that
Alot of ppl know them most for T.R.O.Y. But they had soooo many bangers, Lots of Lovin, Take You There, Mecca and the Soul Brother, Searching to name a few. They had a sound that few could duplicate.
He's not "your producer" fam. Y'all a team. You never heard Guru speak about Premo like this. Guru found another lane so he could keep rockin' when Preme was tied up with other projects. And Premo NEVER put another artist above Guru. When it was time for Gang Starr to get busy, they locked in and got to work!! CL should have found another beat maker/producer to work with while Pete was tied up. He had a few other DOPE producers he could have worked with if his concern was about touring. Hell, he could have just got another DJ to spin the records while he performed.
Great take
Makes sense the way u typed that. However, from the way CL sounds, it’s goin much much deeper than “just getting another producer”. I agree with what u saying. I wouldn’t sit around waiting on Pete. If i gotta get my bread, i gotta try to make moves on my own without him.
They had issues.
Lots
You gotta remember gang starr had a whole catalog out before they started doing solo works so it's not even comparable,pete rock and cl smooth only having two albums and breaking up right when they're about to hit their stride is damaging especially if the industry treats the producer like a asset and thinks lesser of the mc.Plus dude hasn't really spoke on nothing in 30 years so if he not gon say anything now when is the best time?
@@mxhughesI was going to say this
Pete Rock and CL Smooth is classic hip hop. Early 90’s right there. You had to be there kids.
Exactly, they'll never know.
I get what CL is saying but as a producer he’ll be busy making beats, recording and making tracks. That’s why it’s always good to have multiple producers on tab
when they came in the game it was them 2 and what CL is saying is Pete was able to make it off of Sampling back then and those 2 albums and EP they made cost money and writing credits had to be given which came out their budget so since he paid for that he's saying how do I make money back.
Yea so many other groups sought out solo deals why did he?
That's what happened to Little Brother and 9th Wonder.
@@DarrylJohnson-yv3idthey say Pete doesn’t like to tour or do showings that much
@@shawnbravo5201 probably true but he's doin what needs to be done with Common who represent my city Chicago.
Yeah…that album is one of the finest ever made…I still rock that joint and he’s right we the fans never got another but maybe one of one is it…
One of my favorites, always has & always will be. Can listen to him speak anytime, much love & respect to you OG.
He’s not mad he just want what’s fair and equal for both of them but one was left high and dry
NORE always interrupting a monumental or important response from a guest, with bs.
My recommendation - Go work with Madlib or Preemo.
CL Needs that tour money..
100% madlib. Look what he did with Gibbs
9th Wonder 👀
Love Pete Rock and CL Smooth so much. Take you there is my song, I finally found out who Trouble T Roy was recently and may he RIP
I can relate after Seeing this !
I have a best friend / brother I’ve had since I was 9 ( 31 years ago ) . There’s things I didn’t know about him that I know now that has somewhat tarnished our relationship. He will always be my brother , but you never really know someone the way you think you do.
Communication can solve many problems!
CL and Pete Rock is like Guru and Preemo. They should make up, they are brothers.
CL….
Madlib, Alchemist, Soundwave and many other producers will make you some 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥shit ask Q-Tip he will definitely get you a hefty bag. The world doesn’t stop because Pete Rock focusing on his production career. He just provided the music you gave it life. Wish the both of you nothing but love and positivity
Pete life is short real leaders humble themselves you and cl were the greatest hip hop duo ever dont take it personal dpnt rob yourself or the fans as the greatest comeback album ever because that's what it will ne. You and cl stay blessed.
Same thing Little Brother went through.
Damn CL was talking with so much wisdom I was totally captivated and thats what it takes to reason with him wisdom and understanding without it you want comprehend 🙏🏽💪🏾🙏🏽 I hope all your endeavors are Blessed Brother
Cl is a power communicator
Yup
The problem is CL called Peter Rock "MY PRODUCER" and "MY PROJECT" listen to all this my my my. You my business? You just made him a commodity and not a friend and equal or an ally. I wouldn't want to f!@k with you either CL.
The man was young and didn't know about real life actual.......
🔥. THANKS SpeakingTheTruth...Cl Smooth
Sonia I have always loved CL Smooth since the first time I heard him back in 92.
I remember thinking his flow was so unique & he sounded like nobody out there.
Greetings from the UK
CL I’m sure they’re many dope producers who’d be more than willing to work with you.
But that producer got your sound
Creativity is about harmony..whatever the issues is with them..its so deep rooted and 2 much time has passed..i don't think they could recover...
"Whats next on the menu" love that song. Its a shame, so many rap duos/groups back then didn’t have their financial arrangements sorted out.
One of my favorite mcs coming up
I'd like to see a reunion album happen, but Pete Rock is the reason it will never happen. Even in what he said on Drink Champs, he sneaked dissed CL. I've met them both and while CL is down to earth. Pete in my opinion isn't a people person and has got a rep of clashing with a whole bunch of artists. One of the best Hiphop producers and one of my favorites. But not a nice person at all. If I were CL. I'd move on to other producers like Madlib, 9th, Oh No, Khyrsis, and Alchemist to name a few. i'm not gonna keep asking a dude who obviously has a gripe with me. At this point, I think too much has happened between them for them to work together again.
DJ Premier begged them to get back together after Guru passed away. So they did but they end up arguing and maybe certain things came out from the past again
Exactly.
Pete is a legendary hip-hop producer BUT he has an abrasive personality.
Just look at the BS he tried to pull with Nas for the song they made together "The World is Yours" only to find out it wasn't Nas holding out on his royalty cheques but the label and he just sorta quieted out but he dragged that man's name in the mud for a little bit. You dig.
That's Pete for you really and it's no pun on him, that's just how some folks are.
I was born in 1988 and I had a big sister that was born in 1976 and when I was little in the 90s and the early 2000s she would call me CL Smooth. My initials are CL and I didn't realize she got it from his name until I was a little bit older of course which was the early 2000s. She passed away in 2003 so it's safe to say it was a lifetime ago since I found (much like most people on here found them) Pete Rock and CL smooth through one of the most anatomical songs that define Hip Hop to ever bless our ears and souls T.R.O.Y.!!!
😂😂😂😂... Yo! CL. Smooth kept it so real. Same way he kept it on them songs. Pete and CL. Smooth Mecca and the Soul Brother, Straighten it Out, Shouts out to my brother. They'll never be another..TROUBLE T TROY ITS LIKETHAT YALL!!..😎😎😎😎😎🤨🤨🤨
💯💯🙏🏾🙏🏾
By any means necessary
Go all out
And keep this alive
Coz only the strong survive
I needed to hear this cause Rock and CL are one of my favorite duos and its sad that they will never work together again and its SAD!!!!
Glad to hear from Mans [CL Smooth] directly and NOW I know…..
They were a dynamic duo.
I understand 100%
CL holding those dentures in real smooth lmao
Sounds similar to the split between guru and Dj Premier (gang Starr). Premier was producing beats for all the East Coast artists and Guru wasn’t eating like Premier. And sometimes premier held his best beats for others.
CL need tht Main Ingredient... CL 1 of the nicest in the business. Man on 🔥
Pete Rock played yall songs when he was in Tokyo. We need a reunion CL
Troy is one of the best tracks of all time
Facts in my opinion from CL keep pushing and strength
“All my friends that stayed the same ain’t wit me”…….FACTS 👊🏽
That was 1992. It too late now CL....
Pete Rock doesn’t want business with you just because CL, he has to be your friend, cool with you to be comfortable to record music with you.
cl smooth is truly smooth. he is a very deep smart wise brother. love hearing him articulate as he gets older.
Pete👑 started producing other joints and wasn't being loyal to the Brand they established. That's what I got from CL👑. I'll forever be thankful for that classic Duo💯 Crazy to see CL on edge a bit instead of mellow like his classic flow was. - Hip Hop has been exposed, the Game is over. We lost it to a corrupt satanic corporate industry💯 #BadBoyRecords etc.
Right. Maybe Pete Rock could have started the "If u want a beat you gotta buy a CL verse too"... That way they both ate with every transaction. Like Pimp C & Bun B
In a nutshell, if your producer is part of your group…Dre, Riley , Babyface ,Rock ,Swing …. That groups shelf life is set to expire by design (label exec)
What I’m hearing is Pete Rock professionally, outgrew his half of “Pete Rock and CL Smooth”. Rock is a producer that people are hiring left and right. CL’s response is “well, that’s great and all, but what bout me, what bout the team??”. CL needs to try and create opportunities for himself so he doesn’t need Pete Rock.
Right! CL needs to just get his pen game back up cause I heard a project of CL Smooth of him rapping on a lot of industry beats and it was dope like “Hate It Or Love It” 50 Cent and The Game joint and I forgot the name of it but it’s called something “Freestyle Sessions”
CL was too controlling and got jealous when he saw Pete producing for other artist's , it is what it is!
@@deanivan3951 Imagine RZA producing outside of WU in the early days. C"mon man.
@@91Definite.. check the facts .. someone pressed charges on the other .. find that out and you will see where it went wrong ..🗽 hiphop .. well known fact
CL literally said that in this clip
cl smooth talks like a real man
And that's the million dollar question about the industry expressed with Finesse. The enemy studies you before even engaging you.And what truth do they know to be self evident!? Beef up the weaker personality of a crew, and utilize him/her/them against themselves and all involved parties. It's like a "Wicked grenade" for divide and conquer. Salute & Succes to C.L. Smooth. #kickrocks
Real talk CL I get it bruh
@@davidbrewer5332 He makes more sense than what Pete said.
All good things come to an end. Hip-Hop can unite us and divide us!
I don't think he was mad at Pete doing his thing. I think he felt he totally just left him to do 80 percent with others and 20 percent with him.
If you wasn't around when Pete Rock and CL was putting it down together you probably can't understand how ill there were! Those two cats together was IT!
I was six turning seven when Pete rock and cl smooth came out it was something special being a 90’s child
Why everybody can’t be like Eric B and Rakim back in the day😂
CL needs to link up with a Primo to do a whole album line Pete and Com did.
If I Was CL Smooth, I'd Would've Started Doing What Guru Did, Go Solo And Work With Other People. That's What Guru Did. Went Solo And Started His Jazzmatazz Album Series.....And Every One Of His Guru's Albums Was Solid And Classic. I Loved His Song "Watch What You Say" With Chaka Kahn Back In The Day. His Songs Was Classic!
is one of my first CDs as a little kid of hearing from Boston Massachusetts they had a good chemistry straight up I love Pete Rock and his mixing and CL smooth is great at rapping
I often wondered how GangStarr worked out this similar arrangement too because Premier was out producing for everyone at the same time, especially Nas.
lol The Star was different.
Primo was beating everybody up.
Guru still maintained his place.
Producers back in the day should have sleeping on CL’s porch…
To work with a lyricist whose words stands the test of time👈🏿🫡
they had the exact same issue ...Guru had to walk away and do jazzmatazz to make money when premier was high in demand.The only difference is that Gangstarr toured way more than PR and CL
They had their problems and would fight a lot as well. Guru wrote the song "Now You're Mine" about Premier.
I’m one of those fans who is yearning for another Pete Rock and CL Smooth album. So I agree we need an album from y’all. However I would want y’all to not do it from a business stand point. When y’all did the first two albums the love was there, y’all had a brotherhood. It’s what made the music authentic and soulful. I would want yall re establish that back in then go into the studio and catch fire!
this snippet is going to make me watch the whole thing, right now.
Alchemist would be a perfect fit
I appreciate CL Smooth for giving us some insight to what was going on and I totally understand!! 😤 #Str8ghtenItOut
These brothers made good music. It's a shame that money brought division.
bro a real wordsmith even when he having a conversation.
Best interview ever. Chilled with this Gentleman some years back…… super Real G
His speaking voice is very powerful, just like when he raps. His tone and diction catches your attention, instantly. He looks amazing!
Wow …CL speakin got me really want a Pete Rock n CL Smooth album…I can hear the content in this interview
The number one soul brother
To be honest, once CL Smooth seen that Pete Rock was doing other business in Hip-Hop, CL should have collaborated on albums with DJ Jazzy Jeff, DJ Premier, Q-Tip, Large Professor, Apollo Brown, Khrysis, Mablib, Black Milk, Erik Sermon, Dela, or even 9th Wonder (but 9th had hus falling out with Rapper Big Pooh & Phonte).
The two them was a duo in early 90's Khrysis & 9th were literally in diapers. What were they producing in their diapers? Large professor, q tip, sermon yes
CL Smooth sounds lazy.. He needed to work with others just like Pete. Dude could made heat with Premier, something amazing with Q-Tip, Dilla, so many… Dude literally stayed mad and jealous of Pete Rock’s evolution. Not to mention CL trying to stay with the same producer for? Pete is still hungry and creating new things as of today.. CL what are you doing? Stop whining and get active!!
C.L. did a whole album with 9th wonder
@@keithatkinson1304 when was this?
@@Mr.Majestic77 2009 he had track with Skyzoo called Perfect Timing prod. by 9th Wonder
I'm happy for Pete Rock and Common but I would rather it be CL Smooth and Pete Rock I'm just saying
Peace everyone. Allow me to check in as a lifelong Pete Rock and CL Smooth fan. Please don't forget that, by the times PR&CL were getting notice as a duo, Pete was already known for many things: marley marl, heavy d's little cousin, (i think it lines up to say) already chilling with Da Bomb Squad, etc. Pete is also one of, if not thee, greatest sample based producer to ever live. Rapping to Pete, especially back then, wasn't an easy task. CL showed up every time. Few rappers could say that. But Pete as a solo entity seemed already in motion from before All Souled Out. I feel CL. He wanted PR&CL to be forever, like 99% of the population. It's a shame it didn't work out but even the Beatles split, EPMD (EPMD!!!!), etc. Making beats isn't easy either. Programming like Pete isn't easy. Trust me, I've spent the last 26 years trying. You've gotta stay home to do it, word to Brian Wilson. Just some random context. PR&CL was a tremendous success. It's also dope to see CL. Thank you for all of your contributions to this genre. Your voice and lyrics are a huge part of my adolescence and growth.
Thank you for that perspective!
One of the realest conversations.
Money destroys everything!
Meh...when Premo was doing his thing, Guru did his Jazzmatazz thing. The Roots still exist even though Questlove and Black Thought do their thing on the side. Wu Tang still finds time to reconnect even though they're solo artists. Even Tribe put their differences aside for one last album. Digable Planets are back together too.
At the end of the day, CL just sounds envious and hard to work with. And like he didn't have anything else going on musically besides Pete Rock and CL Smooth. That's on him, not Pete.
THE FAMILY STILL WANTS THAT 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
History repeats itself so as long as people continue to ignore the lessons on the table. There's a reason why they say that you shouldn't get into business with friends & relatives, because it can affect the personal relationship between the people that mean alot to you. We've seen alot of groups fall apart for the very same reasons. The only right way is for all people involved to be about their business first & learn to create other opportunities for oneself without always having to depend on the other. Yeah "we're supposed to be boys", but we're in this for the money & people have to remember that.
He dropping gems 💯
“Pete Rock and CL Smooth; a household name.” - The Sun Won’t Come Out.
I am the biggest Pete Rock and CL Smooth fan. Just like Nore…wow. My heart hurts that they are not making music.
For the sake of Hip Hop, we need them.
One Love
Correction. I am lol
CL definitely looked at the game wrong. Instead of him pocket checking Pete, he should’ve been out there collaborating, dropping mixtapes, doing joint albums with other artists…. Aka investing in yourself.
And that is the difference between the youth and the older guard. The youth😮 is about that paper. Biz is about expanding. The old heads grew up in peak record company system. And they got hurt because of that crutch.
It’s really sad that their differences is in the way of good music…They were perfect together…Mecca and the soul brother…
I get it..... Pete Rock was gettin' paid to make tracks for A LOT of other artists including Jay Z, Kanye, Rakim, Run DMC, Common, the list goes on and on and some of those tracks got him anywhere from 8k to 200k PER TRACK. Phife Dawg was paying him and Hi-Tek 8k per track while Jay-Z & Nas were hittin' him up for 200k and more. I'm sorry, but I'm with Pete on this one, do shows for 16k-20k per gig OR get 200k a pop to sit at home. That being said, it would still be NICE to see them get together every once in a while for tours at least.
Yeah but what is foul is Pete was on a contract to work wit CL. Those production arrangements were partnerships. Pete ditched his group mate to get money wit other people. Giving them his sound. CL was stuck in limbo.. under that deal.
This is better than a verse!
CL wrong for this… he need to get with 9th .. Madlib Cookin Soul Cardo etc they will help him put out some serious heat… someday maybe we will get the album with PR
CARDO AND COOKIN SOUL IS FIRE.
Spoken like a true libra who has ascended...ty u bro as a fellow libran...im the same way!!!
🔥🔥🔥🙏🏾🙏🏾CL legend…Hip Hop Golden Age Pioneer…
This clip is full of barz!!! 💯
"Why isn't Capone and Noreaga still together?" That one hit Nore
I mean wow, his statements said a lot about working as a duo. I remember that video from VMB unc Ralph show. They were the team to beat. Success is something to handle. Hope for a reunion.
Respectfully I grew up listening to them under my 4 older brothers
Soon as they split I never listened to them again… do another album!!!
Love for pete rock and cl smooth Straight up fan let Straighten it out for real let bring it back to real hip hop