With regards to Russ and Sanguinius, I thought you would mention Sanguinius' line about Russ being a beast on the outside yet sophisticated on the inside, where Sanguinius was the opposite. Many people think its the Lion and Russ that have this dynamic but its actually Russ and Sanguinius.
Yep, Sanguinius thought it was interesting how they seemed to mirrored reflections of eachother. I got the impression that he greatly respected Russ, and like some of the other brothers believed the Viking persona was a performance done for tactical purposes
There definitely was some acknowledgment from the Angel to the Great Wolf albeit in Sanguinius’ inner thought, but it came from a place of surprise & dread that he in fact doubts his ability to subdue the Black Rage and see’s how Russ almost carries it in a way but underneath is perfectly under control & wears it to veil his intentions diplomatically.
It's easy to overlook how hard Dorn took Sanguinius' death. I'd love to know his thoughts as he carried Sanguinius' body over one shoulder back to the throne room. Then, intering him into a stasis chamber below the Golden Throne. We know Vulcan wept at the sight of his dead brother. But I feel Sanguinius was just as close to Dorn as he was to Vulcan. Hell, even the unreadable Jaghatai shed a tear for his brother's loss.
I also really wish we got more Fulgrim and Sanguinius banter. Judging from how much they both enjoyed poking fun at Mortarion together you know they probably had a great dynamic.
I feel this, like Sang would have enhanced Fulgrim more better qualities (cuz fam, I feel like peeps forget that fulgrim was known as being one of the more diplomatic, charismatic and even (dare I say 🫢) compassionate Primacrhs but boi just had MASSIVE Insecurities, and like his brother had an Arrogance problem, and when you have MASSIVE insecurities, that leads to disillusionment and defeat.) And perhaps Fulgrim might have allowed Sanguinius environment where Sang didn't feel the pressure of being constant symbol to trillions of people. I feel as though they both would have had an unspoken understanding that they both hold the position of being symbols of the Imperium of man and for the emperor as his 2 sons. With 1 being more symbolic and theoretical, while the other one was more practical and tangible. Even they were both doing the same job technically ( I want to preface this that i'm very new to the community.And i'm slowly getting through the books, It's a combination of me watching Lore videos and reading) (so if my Perception is incorrect, please forgive me) (Also these are just my crackpot theories)
Horus took both Fulgrim and Sanguinius "under his wing" and acted as a mentor to both and the 3ed Legion. The three would probably have spent a lot of time together and would have had an excellent relationship. Three of the most charismatic and likeable brothers all together.
fantastic video, part 2 can’t come soon enough! I need to know more about Sanguinious and Vulkan, I feel like them 2 especially are just the most purehearted.
Have to disagree with the take of Konrad: from what i read it seemed that the Angel was one of the only brothers he cared for and respected: one that he looked to as pure to the point of asking his forgivness
I keep forgetting that the primarchs are aspects of the Emperor. Gotta keep in my mind is that Kurze, intended or not, is just that peice of the Emperor. Makes sense to me when roboute is called every good and bad name in the throne room.
I wonder, if we see the Loyalists Primarhes and others. Talk to Sanguinius body one by one to say their goodbyes, to their beloved hawk brother. But what do you guys think? 😢
I would love to see Rogal’s goodbye since he shed a tear knowing that would be the last he’ll see Sanguinius alive, and him having to carry his and the emperors bodies off the vengeful spirit.
Imagine if Sanguinius was tasked with disciplining Lorgar and Magnus. The outcome would have been very different and probably not ended with them turning traitor.
Lorgar didn't listen to Imperial Iterators, Malcador, his brothers, or even The Emperor. All of them told Lorgar to stop committing religious fueled atrocities, get on with saving humanity, and stop worshipping the Emperor. If the Aurelian wouldn't listen to his Father, Liege-Lord, and GOD, Sanguinius trying to slap sense into the buffoon wasn't likely to change things.
@@mariusconstantin6057 Yes, he did. First and foremost, the Emperor is NOT A GOD. Before Monarchia, the Emperor literally did the ST:Next Gen "Who Watches the Watchers" conversation to explain that "Yo, yer perception is flawed. Trust me, I got millennia of experience here. Also, I think I know WHAT I AM more than you do, child." He did this not only in general, which the Iterators and clearly explaining his stance over the course of the Imperium, but to Lorgar personally prior to Monarchia. Second, Lorgar had a job to do. He was wasting time getting everyone praying while his Legion milled about. Operational needs demanded that the Word Bearers move faster. There were iterators and other branches of the Imperium to handle civic loyalty. This was made clear to him but he refused to comply with orders. Third, he was committing atrocities. While not entirely new with the Legions, the reasoning here was not making compliant words with the Imperial Truth, it was making worlds of gullible idiots who continued to dwell in the mire of ignorance. Comparably and with point two, the Ultramarine showed how one can ensure loyal worlds and keep the warmarchine going. Lorgar's approach was the epitome of "you're doing it wrong!" Point the first should have been enough. If one's "god" said, repeatedly and consistently, "I'm not a god stop worshipping me. This sort of shite ruined our entire civilization. I literally watched it do that. Stop it now, this goes against my entire philosophy" THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH.
I don't get any people who talk about his wings making a mutant. He's in the same boat as Russ. Russ would most likely be a mutant as he has no traits a human couldn't, just heightened. Sanguinius has bird wings, which could only acquired by being inserted into his DNA. Plus Primarch Zero has wings.
Call me crazy, but the Lion is honestly one of the most fleshed out and humanized Primarchs in the HH series. He has so much screen time with so much interactions with his brothers. It’s hard not to like him.
No real surprises here. Even moreso than Vulkan, Sanguinius seemed to see the best possible in all of his brothers. I'm curious to see his thoughts on Alpharius and Angron.
My response keeps getting deleted so I'll try here - anyway, Lion wins wars, even the horrific and ugly ones like the Rangdan. Unfortunately, sometimes innocents get caught up in those conflicts and while regrettable, more would have been killed in time had Kurze not been stopped. Lion was created to be the Emperor's exterminator and that leaves no room for nuance or half-measures, even though the primarch himself would prefer that be so.
@@jonharrison9222He didn't desert his post, Sanguinius and Guilliman literally asked him to deal with the rebellion. He was doing what they told him to do, and they weren't innocent, they were rebelling against Imperium Secundus because Konrad had been there stirring the pot. Lion was told not to bombard the area but he knew that nothing less than a full measure would root Konrad out, so he did it, and he was right. Read a book once in a while.
@@sugarcombfilms3467 Guilliman tells him ‘guard the Pharos.’ The savant decides that doesn’t matter. Pharos ultimately has to be blown up and attracts the Tyranids in the process.
The emporer would've turned her into some sort of battery to power a machine for defying him, and keeps her whip cause it's neat. If she helps him, she gets a crazy power armor suit and does war crimes
"We have a few references that Sanguinius was Lion's most beloved brother" Am I the only one who is sick of Sanguinius' perfection being shoved into everything? Lion's most beloved brother was Leman Russ, that's a key part of both of their characters. We barely have any one on one interactions between the Lion and Sanguinius, why do BL writers feel the need to tell instead of show? What's next, was Sanguinius the favorite brother of Ferrus Manus instead of Fulgrim? Was he Fulgrim's favorite instead of Ferrus Manus? What other relationships can we devalue by shoving Sanguinius into them? I am genuinely starting to resent Sanguinius because the writers can't keep their hands off his dick.
With regards to Russ and Sanguinius, I thought you would mention Sanguinius' line about Russ being a beast on the outside yet sophisticated on the inside, where Sanguinius was the opposite. Many people think its the Lion and Russ that have this dynamic but its actually Russ and Sanguinius.
Wasn’t that what Russ said about the Angel?
@@jonharrison9222 No Sanguinius had an inner monolog about Russ.
Yep, Sanguinius thought it was interesting how they seemed to mirrored reflections of eachother.
I got the impression that he greatly respected Russ, and like some of the other brothers believed the Viking persona was a performance done for tactical purposes
Well, Russ called Sanguinius an berserker in an angels garb. Or something along these lines, which really fits the Angel.
There definitely was some acknowledgment from the Angel to the Great Wolf albeit in Sanguinius’ inner thought, but it came from a place of surprise & dread that he in fact doubts his ability to subdue the Black Rage and see’s how Russ almost carries it in a way but underneath is perfectly under control & wears it to veil his intentions diplomatically.
It's easy to overlook how hard Dorn took Sanguinius' death.
I'd love to know his thoughts as he carried Sanguinius' body over one shoulder back to the throne room. Then, intering him into a stasis chamber below the Golden Throne.
We know Vulcan wept at the sight of his dead brother.
But I feel Sanguinius was just as close to Dorn as he was to Vulcan.
Hell, even the unreadable Jaghatai shed a tear for his brother's loss.
indeed. Dorn carried the emperor though according to 'the end and the death'.
Where did you read the 'Post" End and Death bits about Sanguinius and Dorn?
I also really wish we got more Fulgrim and Sanguinius banter. Judging from how much they both enjoyed poking fun at Mortarion together you know they probably had a great dynamic.
I feel this, like Sang would have enhanced Fulgrim more better qualities
(cuz fam, I feel like peeps forget that fulgrim was known as being one of the more diplomatic, charismatic and even (dare I say 🫢) compassionate Primacrhs but boi just had MASSIVE Insecurities, and like his brother had an Arrogance problem, and when you have MASSIVE insecurities, that leads to disillusionment and defeat.)
And perhaps Fulgrim might have allowed Sanguinius environment where Sang didn't feel the pressure of being constant symbol to trillions of people.
I feel as though they both would have had an unspoken understanding that they both hold the position of being symbols of the Imperium of man and for the emperor as his 2 sons. With 1 being more symbolic and theoretical, while the other one was more practical and tangible. Even they were both doing the same job technically
( I want to preface this that i'm very new to the community.And i'm slowly getting through the books, It's a combination of me watching Lore videos and reading) (so if my Perception is incorrect, please forgive me)
(Also these are just my crackpot theories)
Horus took both Fulgrim and Sanguinius "under his wing" and acted as a mentor to both and the 3ed Legion.
The three would probably have spent a lot of time together and would have had an excellent relationship. Three of the most charismatic and likeable brothers all together.
fantastic video, part 2 can’t come soon enough! I need to know more about Sanguinious and Vulkan, I feel like them 2 especially are just the most purehearted.
Have to disagree with the take of Konrad: from what i read it seemed that the Angel was one of the only brothers he cared for and respected: one that he looked to as pure to the point of asking his forgivness
Yeah, i think it was Sanguinius and Fulgrim that Konrad had some respect or kinship with
I keep forgetting that the primarchs are aspects of the Emperor. Gotta keep in my mind is that Kurze, intended or not, is just that peice of the Emperor. Makes sense to me when roboute is called every good and bad name in the throne room.
It could be argued that Sanguinius embodies the emperor’s hope for the future, and Kruze embodies his fear of failing
True. Which really REALLY makes you wonder what aspects 2 and 11 covered. Maybe they were aspects the Emperor didn’t want anyone to know about.
I wonder, if we see the Loyalists Primarhes and others. Talk to Sanguinius body one by one to say their goodbyes, to their beloved hawk brother. But what do you guys think? 😢
I. Would. Cry.
I would love to see Rogal’s goodbye since he shed a tear knowing that would be the last he’ll see Sanguinius alive, and him having to carry his and the emperors bodies off the vengeful spirit.
He’ll be back eventually.
Not happening because Blood Angels aren't Ultramarines and only Ultramarines get anything.
@@akiramasashi9317 That really doesn't matter or make no sentence on why you're bringing in the ultramarines?
Imagine if Sanguinius was tasked with disciplining Lorgar and Magnus. The outcome would have been very different and probably not ended with them turning traitor.
I don't think Guilliman had a choice how he disciplined Lorgar.
Lorgar didn't listen to Imperial Iterators, Malcador, his brothers, or even The Emperor.
All of them told Lorgar to stop committing religious fueled atrocities, get on with saving humanity, and stop worshipping the Emperor.
If the Aurelian wouldn't listen to his Father, Liege-Lord, and GOD, Sanguinius trying to slap sense into the buffoon wasn't likely to change things.
@@fedupNmy thoughts exactly.
@@fedupNhe never explained why he should stop
@@mariusconstantin6057 Yes, he did.
First and foremost, the Emperor is NOT A GOD. Before Monarchia, the Emperor literally did the ST:Next Gen "Who Watches the Watchers" conversation to explain that "Yo, yer perception is flawed. Trust me, I got millennia of experience here. Also, I think I know WHAT I AM more than you do, child." He did this not only in general, which the Iterators and clearly explaining his stance over the course of the Imperium, but to Lorgar personally prior to Monarchia.
Second, Lorgar had a job to do. He was wasting time getting everyone praying while his Legion milled about. Operational needs demanded that the Word Bearers move faster. There were iterators and other branches of the Imperium to handle civic loyalty. This was made clear to him but he refused to comply with orders.
Third, he was committing atrocities. While not entirely new with the Legions, the reasoning here was not making compliant words with the Imperial Truth, it was making worlds of gullible idiots who continued to dwell in the mire of ignorance.
Comparably and with point two, the Ultramarine showed how one can ensure loyal worlds and keep the warmarchine going. Lorgar's approach was the epitome of "you're doing it wrong!"
Point the first should have been enough. If one's "god" said, repeatedly and consistently, "I'm not a god stop worshipping me. This sort of shite ruined our entire civilization. I literally watched it do that. Stop it now, this goes against my entire philosophy" THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH.
Sang understood and accepted each brother for who they were.
I wish Sanguinius could have smacked up Lorgar.
Our crow boy covrus does a great job
Mortarion's usually a big sack of piss and wind but he occasionally has a good redpill to drop here and there.
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First comment!!! Love your work my friend. That's all I wanted to say.
Great vid, thanks. Also, 🦆lorgar and erebus
I don't get any people who talk about his wings making a mutant. He's in the same boat as Russ. Russ would most likely be a mutant as he has no traits a human couldn't, just heightened. Sanguinius has bird wings, which could only acquired by being inserted into his DNA. Plus Primarch Zero has wings.
Hey I'm like #500, that's pretty neat 🤷♂️😌
Call me crazy, but the Lion is honestly one of the most fleshed out and humanized Primarchs in the HH series. He has so much screen time with so much interactions with his brothers. It’s hard not to like him.
No real surprises here. Even moreso than Vulkan, Sanguinius seemed to see the best possible in all of his brothers.
I'm curious to see his thoughts on Alpharius and Angron.
thank you!!
I cant wait to sangy and vulcan
Plz do this for all primarchs
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Mortarion was right, though.
i get its intentional but jfc please speak faster
Lion didn't lie, he chose not to reveal his methods. He was given a task and got the job done. .
And deserted his post to firebomb innocent people.
My response keeps getting deleted so I'll try here - anyway, Lion wins wars, even the horrific and ugly ones like the Rangdan. Unfortunately, sometimes innocents get caught up in those conflicts and while regrettable, more would have been killed in time had Kurze not been stopped. Lion was created to be the Emperor's exterminator and that leaves no room for nuance or half-measures, even though the primarch himself would prefer that be so.
@@jonharrison9222He didn't desert his post, Sanguinius and Guilliman literally asked him to deal with the rebellion. He was doing what they told him to do, and they weren't innocent, they were rebelling against Imperium Secundus because Konrad had been there stirring the pot. Lion was told not to bombard the area but he knew that nothing less than a full measure would root Konrad out, so he did it, and he was right.
Read a book once in a while.
@@sugarcombfilms3467
Guilliman tells him ‘guard the Pharos.’
The savant decides that doesn’t matter.
Pharos ultimately has to be blown up and attracts the Tyranids in the process.
12 like in 30 seconds? Bro has fallen off
Question what if wonder woman was transported into the warhammer 30k time line during the unification wars on Terra and what will happen?
The Emperor would’ve smashed
Probably take a towns worth of women and flee the godforsaken planet.
The emporer would've turned her into some sort of battery to power a machine for defying him, and keeps her whip cause it's neat.
If she helps him, she gets a crazy power armor suit and does war crimes
"We have a few references that Sanguinius was Lion's most beloved brother"
Am I the only one who is sick of Sanguinius' perfection being shoved into everything? Lion's most beloved brother was Leman Russ, that's a key part of both of their characters. We barely have any one on one interactions between the Lion and Sanguinius, why do BL writers feel the need to tell instead of show? What's next, was Sanguinius the favorite brother of Ferrus Manus instead of Fulgrim? Was he Fulgrim's favorite instead of Ferrus Manus? What other relationships can we devalue by shoving Sanguinius into them?
I am genuinely starting to resent Sanguinius because the writers can't keep their hands off his dick.
Genuinely curious, what makes you think that Russ of all the Primarchs was El'Johnson's most beloved brother?