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I dunno dude, Bentley put guards to sleep and then attached explosives to their faces in Sly 2. I don't think you could claim that they were just knocked out there.
@@LootVT i recall doing something with bears in sly 2 in teh canada levels. wasnt there any point you need to get the guards to meet the bears. i could be wrong, i havent played the series in a bit
I only played Sly 3 last month, and I kept coming up with kink jokes for that boss fight, and the fact that it was someone's awakening does not surprise me at all
Tbh, I’ve always felt that the complaints about the crocodile mission in particular ignore the cartoony nature of this series. Sure, it has a few more mature scenes and themes, but at the end of the day, this is a series about cartoon animal people beating up bad guys in funny ways and stealing things.
Maybe this episode would have been better if there was an actual boss in it. Maybe the leader of the miners who was corrupted by the Mask of Dark Earth. His back story could have been that he was once an archeologist who found many treasures. But when he took the Mask of Dark Earth, it corrupted him into think that he deserves to have all of the riches of his travels because he’s always giving these relics to a muesum. That could explain why the miners are destroying the entire Outback and give an actual reason as to why the Mask of Dark Earth is there.
Nah tbh I much prefer the "we dug too deep" premise. It's so much cooler and brings in some diversity. This time there kinda are no bad guys, other than capitalism and unlucky nameless workers. Literally every other time there is a characteristic bad guy, maybe it's good to have one level without one.
@@Notski You could still have both. Still give the miners a boss who is just greedy, while keeping the miners digging to deep and finding the mask and finally then attach them together in the operation after both create different issues for the gang in the missions leading up to the operation.
I always thought they added the Shamen to their team was because after dealing with magic crap in the past, Mz. Ruby and The Contessa's second episode, they decided to have their own magic using ally in case they needed it.
@@LootVT No that was Sly, after Murray told his friends multiple stories about his abilities while on the flight to him with the gang only going to see him to get his approval to pause his training until after the cooper vault heist was completed. Only for a ruthless mining company to take shop on his land for any Opal in the ground.
Sly 3 had its wonky ups and downs trying to do so much but I still have a lot of fond memories of it and love the trilogy as a whole. Just wish that style of cartoonier action/platforming game wasn't so rare these days.
I think the biggest issue with Rumble Down Under is the amount of stressful missions that it has. It starts of rather chill; looking for the Guru, parkouring across the map, but then you just get introduced to one stressful mission after another. 1. Escape with Guru's staff in a dark cave (TWICE), while getting swarmed by enemies AND you have a timer. 2. Collect Scorpions with a new vehicle mechanic AND you have a timer. 3. Protect Murray for what feels like forever with yet ANOTHER new vehicle mechanic, while you are getting swarmed by enemies. 4. Feed enemies to a crocodile while you're also getting swarmed by said enemies. There's barely any stealth involved in this level at all, there's just destruction and mayhem.
Late response but destruction and mayhem was sorta the goal of this episode, part of the goal was driving out the Mining Company that had forcibly set up shop to drill for opal, part of the Guru's conditions for joining the team was getting the miners out of his land.
@@renkohikawa7893 Well that's kinda the wrong goal to set for yourself in a stealth game, isn't it? The other Sly games had "chaotic" missions without compromising the entire episode. Sly 1 had the Murray missions and Sly 2 had mainly the boss battles.
A lot of people complain about this chapter lacking a regular Villain like the other chapters but i think its a nice change of pace for once, i have seen people who suggested that the Miners should have had a Foreman/Overseer to serve as the Villain for the chapter but id honestly argue this Foreman/Overseer Villain wouldn't be that very interesting and argueably more boring than the Mask because as we can easily deduct both him and his workers are obviously tearing up the Australian Outback looking to get rich of mining for Opals. Having the Mask of Dark Earth present is more interesting cause then the Cooper Gang has to take care of both the Miners and the Mask instead of just one problem/villain as usual, Also the Mask of Dark Earth being there is a nice twist as it serves as the consequences of the Miners own actions as they simply dug too deep in an area where they shouldn't have been mining in the first place. I do agree that having the mask constantly escape any attempt at destroying it got boring/old quickly because we had no idea if we were damaging the Mask at all or if was possible to even damage the Mask in the first place and i do wish they developed the mask more with lore/information or maybe even vaguely a personality but mainly to have each encounter with the Mask be much more unique and interesting in a way. Personally i've always been curious just how much of the person is left or present when the Mask takes control over their mind and how much the Host of the Mask's original personality affects the Mask itself, Like how we saw the big possessed Dingo in Lemon Rage that was just jabbering nonsense meanwhile Carmelita when possessed was speaking english normally at first anyway, so like does the person's personality affect the Mask at all and also does it matter if the Host of the Mask is a strong minded individual or not.
Honestly one of my favorite boss levels as a kid.... because i liked the idea of climbing the boss. I didn't know about shadow of Colossus as the time i was very young
Very good video, but I will say that a lot of the jobs in Rumble Down Under also had to do with driving away the miners from the Guru's home, not just destroying the Mask. Feeding them to the crocodile was cruel and unusual and in the end did not destroy the Mask but it DID severely lower the morale of the miners, so I suppose it did still have a desired effect.
I've never had the chance to play 4 but I'll have to take a look! This one stood out mostly due to all of the factors that went into it being so memorable, for better or for worse!
@@LootVT Fair enough. Personally enjoyed this one easily more than the 2 prior gameplay wise however I wont spoil thieves in time but just be prepared for what that game offers
@@samflood5631 I said HATED. Not bad. There’s a clear difference but still plenty to critique. Like the Carmelita belly dancing level, the mini games that use motion controls, one off the top of my head as well is the fishing for sushi level that requires the motion controls. Not to mention the insta fail levels like sneaking into Rioichi’s sushi shop. And before any thought comes up, yeah the og series had missions that were instant fail but the point was because you had to avoid getting caught by the boss, that’s self explanatory.
Even as a kid I was somewhat unsettled by the fact that Bentley was having Murray outright murder these guards by feeding them to the croc, compared to the cartoonish defeats other enemies suffered prior (aside from if you knocked them into fire or water). Like, yeah, these guards are plundering the environment to dig up opals and locked up the Guru, that's pretty dickish, but does that mean it warrants them straight-up death? Sheesh. And keep in mind, the very next episode has Bentley sic a giant wolf on the Black Baron's guards. What is his problem?
I never knew the Koloa dude was a tropy character. I just see him as a Guru cartoon stereotype. He's actually one of my favorites because of his fun animation and you get to control the enemies for some dumb run fun while his theme plays crazy in the background
This was something I never understood as a kid but I began to understand later on was that the whole reason the mask was making Carmelita grow to the size she did was to negate the affects of Bentley’s tranquilizers, but this realization brought up another question; HOW POTENT ARE THESE TRANQUILIZERS?
Okay Sly 4 or Thieves in Tkme was not Suvker Punch. That was the project of Sanzaru. And while it was fun to play (not to mention looked great and had a lot more to the animation), the story needed so much work its ridiculous.
Not to mention the missions that were rather annoying and the character assassination that was present, also personally it felt like the gameplay & movement was rather sluggish compared to the previous games
I was like 4 when I played all these games maybe somewhere along 4-6 so me hearing "Carmelita then grows in size" and immediately recognizing the odd fetish that was very clearly put in front of 4 year old me's face and I did not think anything of it is just one of the most insane realizations ever
7:42 Counterargument: Could anyone survive being thrown into a water pump and have it overflow to the point of exploding? Sure being fed to a crocodile is...Brutal, but at LEAST it is over quickly, the poor rats in Chapter 1 of Sly 2 are drowning in a water pump, acting as fodder to make it blow up, that is just insane. Oh, and there is also the Death Traps Bentley uses on the wolves in Chapter 5. ...DEATH TRAPS...You know, squashed, impaled, drowned in a kraken infested sewer...Sly 2 also had its brutal moments, just sayin. This was not to flank on your video btw, I like it alot and I do agree Moon Crash was a bit...Jarring. I just wanted to put my input on Sly 2 Brutality
Yeah after I made this video and people reminded me of ALL the things that you do in Sly 2, I agree that this point wasn't as strong as I would've hoped lol. I think I might have put too much personal emphasis on how Sly and the gang try to NOT kill the villains of each mission (except Clock-La and Clockwerk, though they are edge cases). It just seems so strange that they would harm the henchmen so nefariously but let the villains off with a major beating!
@@LootVT I suppose it boils down to like, character relevancy, the main villains are always the highlights, while almost if not all of the guards are literally just there to act as obstacles in your way. Plus, asides Jean Bison and Arpeggio, who die to outside sources, the only villain that dies that is, you know, not a mask, is LeFwee after Penelope sends him to the sharks, but to be fair the pirate setting made sense.
This Episode reminded me a lot of Majora's Mask, because the main "antagonist" of the episode is a sentient mask that corrupts anyone who wears it and makes them more powerful. And you got Murray disguising himself as the Moon Spirit, and the name of the final job is "Operation: Moon Crash" which Majora's Mask had the Moon on its way to Crash into Termina to destroy the world. Rumble Down Under is weird but it's still a fun level with a ton of personality.
Originally thought this was gonna be about "Vicious Voodoo" and how the remaster janked up the timing of Mz. Ruby's boss fights between versions. But "Lemon Rage" is one of my favorite missions in the whole series so this level kinda gets a pass from me.
You'd think the crocodile would be another poorly disguised fetish the way they casually feed people into that thing. Hard Vore and Giantess tags this is an AO3 fic waiting to become infamous.
I have to say I strongly disagree with you guys. I don't think they are "poorly disguised fetishes", but very obvious innuendoes. Innuendoes like these are there for humor's sake. I for one was cackling at Sly having to climb his gigantic crush as a kid. Sure, obviously it's super crass looking at it as an adult nowadays, but the times were VERY different back then lmao
"Vore" and "Giantess" are terminology that you guys are injecting into something that wasn't necessarily at all what the writers were going for. In fact I highly doubt it. Like sure, they might fit if you're specifically looking for it, but you can also make sexual jokes and innuendoes like the ones in the level without meaning to refer to actual p*rnography.
@Notski Yeah you're right, but I also did not explicitly state anything in the manner you said. Vore and Giantess can be explicitly sexual yes but I was not stating that the game nor the writers directly depicted anything "pornographic". As you said, innuendo can be written and used for humor and comedy, but innuendo still implies a wink and nod even in regards to kink and fetish. The vore one was more of a joke on my part so I will defer that one for being a reach towards a punchline, but the giantess one has existed for a while since the 90s media that I grew up watching as a child on television and yeah it's innuendo that adults will understand more than kids but it's still something that can and has influenced people as they grow up and actually explore themes they've been exposed to.
@@wolfsraynefan Oh sure. If you were going for comedic effect I get you lol I guess I'm directing this more towards the video uploader who seems to take this a little too seriously haha. And I just want to remind everyone that winks and nods aren't necessarily anyone hiding their fetishes. And in fact it probably isn't in the case of the giantess thing since it's rather such an obvious gag. It's also fun and interesting gameplay. I absolutely loved getting to that part as a kid purely because of the silly fun of it all.
You know I read an article about a man that went searching for some treasure (Australia, I think). Guy put in the work and actually found the treasure (some Spanish boat that had gold and silver). He got to enjoy about a week when the government showed up and basically said, "Thanks for finding the gold and silver we'll be taking that back sense it's government property." So ya never living in Australia if they're just gonna pull that card every time someone finds anything of value.
Bentley's plans went from blowing up bridges to feeding living people to crocoiles. And in the next chapter he literally kills 2 blimp pilots with a windmill throwing star. Bentley is the most sociopathic member of the team.
Haven’t played 4, and I’m still reliving 3 to check out all that I missed! I figured Rumble Down Under had a little bit of everything wrong with it that it was just memorable enough!
Its fair criticism as Dead Men Tell No Tales was kind of an mess and personally i think it needed some more missions to flesh it out somewhat (maybe?) Though i 100% agree on what you said about Clan of the Cave Raccoon, personally i think it's the worst Chapter in the entire series as it was such a Slog and i hated that damn Training Mission
I remember being a kid when Sly 3 first came out and Walmart had a Sly 3 playable demo and it was the lemonade bar fight. I hadnt yet gotten any of the 3 games, but after playing it in walmart, i never wanted it so bad before in my life. This game brings such great memories xD
I think I was too young to understand fetishes all that much when I first played Sly 3, but I still felt that giant Carmelita was an odd and awkward encounter in a way. Still, it was alleviated for me when I saw the outro of the chapter, with the gang looking over Carmelita as she's unconcious (though what happened to the mercs, did they just leave her there? That's rude..). Another reminder of how, while thieves, the gang has a good heart. Also, them deciding to fool around with her camera was hilarious. Even the Guru after the first three is like "ok, I think I'm getting it". The Sly series had a good comedic pacing for most of its run.
The squad of 4 Merc's that showed up all got blown up as the Mask exploded And even then iirc in a prototype of Sly 3 the cutscenes were made and finished before the game was 100% completed and the Mercs originally didn't show up at the end of Operation Moon Crash
Tbh, i feel like the attempts to paint the gator and carmalarge segements as "poorly designed fetishes" are in bad faith. The tropes of nature fighting back and size change have existed long before this game. It seems much more likely that the rushed development you mentioned had them take the easy way out. "We need to work on the Australian chapter but the pirate chapter has grown so large." - "eh just make it a spooky magic object, their recruiting a shamen so it fits." - "But wouldn't fighting a floating mask by itself be wierd?" - " just make it attach to enemies, have each section be a bunch of arenas with gimics with the designs we allready have done... you could even save more time by just having Carmelita be the chapter boss. Just say some magic mumbo jumbo turned her into a giant monster or something."
Honestly it could have gone down that way! I just think it just a little strange that all of these things just so happened to fall within one chapter, so I thought it’d be fun to point it out in a fun and humourous way! 20 years ago, what I insinuate in the video could just be sheer coincidence, but part of me always wondered if there was something else at play.
@@LootVT also fair. The human brain can be wild and loves to sneak stuff in. At the end of the day the carmalarge is still a very fun sequence that I'm sure left a uh... 'positive' impact, depending on your outlook, on all those who played it. Myself totally excluded. >_> definitely. /nervous joking tone.
@@SaiyanGamer95 To be honest i had my doubts when the trailer decided to overemphasize on Murray's food obsession, like Murray has always been a foodie but it felt like ever since Thieves in Time they were slowly reducing Murray's personality to just him being obsessed with food
The level itself has no main villain either. I mean the Mask of Dark Earth is not entirely a villain. It's more of an uncrontrolable super natural force. And the minors mostly serve as the levels basic henchmen npcs.
It's a villain to the Guru and the Guru alone it seems. He mentions explicitly that he needs our help to stop it, but we end up destroying it in the end anyways so I have no clue as to what that's about
I'm pretty sure those guards Bentley used axe and fire and electricity traps on when gathering bad energy in Sly 2 Chapter 5 MIGHT have had a few casualties. Idk seems a bit plausible. Not to mention FLOODING the entire Chapter 3 area probably killed a few guards. Like the team certainly has some kills
The first time I saw the Mask of Dark Earth possessing Carmelita, my first reaction was “Oh, that’s not good.” And she grew 25ft tall, I was like “Okay, THAT’S DEFINITELY NOT GOOD!!!!”
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It’s true but the Guru just feels like such a nothing character mechanics wise? I feel like if he wasn’t included on the team at all we wouldn’t have missed out, really
Bentley DID say he prides himself on "Deviousness these days". I think that's their way of saying they wanted it to be more like Actuon Spy movies of the 2000's.
Great video, Loot! You’re an inspiration to the Cooper Clan Community (the CCC)! But I’ve got to speak out in defense of this chapter. Not only does it have the lemonade chugging contest (which is always sure to make me roar with laughter), but it’s the first time that we see the Cooper gang take an interest in environmentalism and stand up against exploitative mining practices. I know this is a game and not real life (ahh, if only!) but it’s still nice to see that side of things being explored. And yes, although we do see Sly and co. ruthlessly murdering some poor working class dingoes, keep in mind that the Sly franchise began with murder - the senseless slaughter of Connor Cooper at the cruel, cold talons of Clockwerk. Maybe even honorable Sly is not immune to the cycle of violence. And I also really like the part where Carmelita gets huge, I don’t know. Anyway, great job again! 😃
I’m afraid I must dissent my cooper comrade! I believe environmentalism was already covered sufficiently in Sly 2: band of thieves. Particularly in the “he who tames the iron horse” and “menace from the north eh” chapters. Jean Bison was a rugged and sexy villain who posed an actual threat, unlike the mask of dark earth. Or should I say, the mask of large girth (Carmelita’s big hips anyone?). While I appreciate the effort , the only moment of substance is the giant Carmelita (awoooo!!!!! I’d like to climb those boots!) No offense to you private, but I believe I rank higher in the cooper army!
@@rileyporter3727 *adjusts military helmet patterned with Sly Cooper crest* Let’s just see about that, soldier. While I see where you’re coming from with your Jean Bison argument (or as I call him, Jean Bis-YAWN. Anybody else think this Canadian caveman needs a couple hundred more years in the freezer? The Grizz does exactly what he does only a million times better imo) that doesn’t mean we can’t ever have the gang touch on the environmental topic again. And hello? No cool, sexy villain? Carmelita IS the villain of the chapter. Unwitting, absolutely, and without one of the Sly Cooper series’ iconic villain introduction segments. But for the first time, Sly and Carmelita are put in actual dramatic conflict with one another, without any ‘will-they-won’t-they’ flirtatious fluff to get in the way. And how can you not give the lemonade drinking mission it’s due?? Like Loot said, the developers at Sucker Punch had so much faith in that mission that they used it as a demo to hype up the game! Pretty hard to argue that it isn’t a highlight of the entire game, maybe even the series. In conclusion, I think it’s a little early for you to be swinging around your Cooper cane. Maybe stick to mastering the ninja spire jump first hahaha I’m just kidding!! Hope I wasn’t too in your face, there 🥹 At least we’re on the same page about the joy of climbing Carmelita! I’d been asking for that since Sly 1!
@ Looks like you’re in for a war, then, soldier. While I get where you’re coming from with your Jean Bison argument (or should I say Jean Bis-YAWN. Anybody else think this Canadian caveman needs a couple hundred more years on ice? The Grizz does everything he does only a million times better imo) but I don’t think that means the Cooper gang is never allowed to be environmentally focused again. Murray cares so much for the natural world, after all, especially after learning the ball form. And hello? No cool, sexy villain? Carmelita IS the villain of the chapter! Unwitting, absolutely, and lacking one of the series’ iconic villain introductions, but that’s the delicious surprise! It’s the first time in series history that we get to see Sly and Carmelita go head to head without any of the ‘will-they-won’t-they’ flirtatious fluff. And obviously the only thing more dangerous than a foxy police officer is a HUMONGOUS foxy police officer! And I can’t let you get away with not giving the lemonade mission its due. Like Loot said, the developers at Sucker Punch were so proud of it that they made the level a demo to hype up the game. It’s pretty tough to argue that it isn’t a highlight for the game, maybe even the entire series! In conclusion, I think it’s a little early for you to be swinging around the Cooper Clan Cane (CCC) in my direction. Maybe try mastering the ninja spire jump first hahahaha I’m just kidding!! Hope I wasn’t too in your face there 🥹 At least we agree on one thing. Climbing Big Carmelita is so fricking cool/hot. I’d been asking for that since Sly 1, so it’s no exaggeration to say it was a dream come true
I don’t think it’s fair to say The Guru’s depiction was racist or semi-racist. I don’t know much about Australian Aboriginal tribes, but I know today in Africa, there are still remote regions with cannibalistic tribes that only speak very obscure languages. Someone I know knew of a Christian ministry group that was last contacted in an area that was known to have cannibal tribes roaming about. The people in this group mysteriously vanished and were never seen again.
It’s never mentioned by the gang but the game will directly reprimand you for killing guards when you’re not supposed to on the game over screen. Even using very specific language saying “KILLED.” So yes, these guys have been killing the guards.
A video essay on Sly Cooper that randomly popped up in my recommendations? Don't mind if a-doo. Your nasaly voice rivals Bentley's tho- Didn't know this level was infamous, but I always definitely considered it the worst. Horrible missions (with 1 exception) and ugly, brown and dark green environments.
Sly 3 has always been my favorite out of the four since it was shorter with lots of playable characters. Rumble Down Under is my favorite chapter mostly because of the bar fight and how big the map is. Looking back though, didn't notice some of the "stuff" about the writing and jokes here. 2005 was a time that these choices and just fly by since most people were more "lenient" at the time. That Giant Carmelita was a thing huh. If that whole part of the chapter wasn't so infuriating to play through, I would agree with Sly's reaction. I'm not into THAT, but it is Carmelita.
Yeah and like, even if it is infamous for being such a weird level doesn’t make it bad! It just kind of falls off compared to the myriad of other great levels!
I remember playing the sly cooper trilogy on my ps3 for the first time two years ago and getting to this boss of fighting a giant Carmelita and thinking just how weird and bizarre it all was 🤨
It’s definitely a brow raiser! When I was going back to remember the bosses of this game a few months ago I was like “they did WHAT?” and just knew I had to make a video on it.
RUclips shows me the strangest things sometimes. Took me back, I loved these games. Valid thoughts though, Bently's descent into, uh lets call it cartoonish super villany I think is supposed to be a plot point but barely gets touched on until the end. And as for Rumble down under... The rush to get it out really changes that finale. I really think bently is supposed to be sarcastic/panicked there. And Sly's lack of a jaw dropped shock expression changes that whole shots tone for him. Which is funny. Then again Sly is a known thrill seeker and thinks Carmelita chasing him was fun flirting. A 50 foot vixen? He could totally be down for that sort of thing. I have no clue how it got past the editors though, that writer had a field day!
Yeah I was curious if Bentley acting this was was meant to be touched on more throughout but it was also just kind of forgot about? I'm not sure. I have to play through the rest of this game to fully get a grasp of everything that I didn't understand as a kid!
Honestly can't say i agree with your point. At least for me i always enjoyed the level and never felt like it was missing something. The mask being more of a primordial entity as oppose to a usual named boss was something i enjoyed. Granted i don't think i disliked any of the levels in the first 3 games. Can't speak for 4 since i haven't played it. Also killing enemies seems like an odd argument since it's not a new thing to the series but whatever. I will say hearing a level being infamous in sly does surprise me a bit but i never had much interaction with the sly community so I'd pretty in the dark i suppose. I will say the main thing that always threw me off a bit was that Carmelita never had a consistent voice. She's like the one reoccurring character that has a completely different va every game. It's always made me wonder why that was the case. Will say her sly 2 va is probably my favorite followed by 3.
Carmelita's inconsistent voice feels like a consistent thing of its own in a weird way. If they ever made a new Sly and she didn't have another new voice, I'd almost feel disappointed.
I think 2-3 is when they were starting to catch on that the furry community exists, and so inserted a number of "interests" they seem to be known for. Such as the macro fetish that was giant Carmelita, the possible vore fetish of feeding the crocodile, and just... dom women in general? Carmelita be double cheeked up, with legs that could crush watermelons.
I think during development, from what I've heard the VA's of sly and others say during interview podcasts, was that the devs were going through what sort of classic monster movies they could draw from. One being the classic monster movie Attack of the 50ft woman, which we can easily see in this chapter. And other films likely were also used as inspiration.
I guess the writers were trying to find a way to make it so that Carmelita would be the Level Boss, so they thought what better way than with some supernatural corruptive force/item, and I'm sure having it where the item makes it's user grow bigger & stronger would have been easier to work with then having to come up with some new designs where they like became a hideous monster, or got filled with super saiyan-like energy or something, and it seems like with the Hulk, anger only makes the effects get even stronger, I'll bet it would have been hard for Sly to fight her without trying to badly injure her like he would with any other level boss, especially when she first became somewhere between 10 to 15 feet tall, then 30 to 40 feet tall, and finally about 50 to 60 feet tall, still no excuse for all the not so hidden fetishes, guess that's why these games are rated "E-10", but I digress, maybe if a New Sly game eventually comes out it won't be so rushed & be better written.
I definitely see where your head is at! I can agree that at some point, the devs thought about her being the boss of a chapter, but considering the fact that Carmelita crashes the end of most chapters (inadvertently making Slys job harder) I think that it became an after thought that was rushed in! Here’s to hoping to a more completed Sly game in the future!
@@joelbarraclough6689 Actually yes! This has been something in the back of my mind for a little bit! I have many, many more Sly Cooper video ideas so look forward to this one in the future!
@@LootVT like say a hypothetical idea of what of a Sly Cooper game was in development but got attach to Sweet Baby Inc. like what happened to Rachet and Clank Rift Apart
If you think the sly gang has NEVER been lethal towards guards in the series, i don't think you've been paying attention 😂 We literally burned enemies alive and electrocuted them in sly 2 like numerous times (hell it's literally one of Murray and Sly's abilties)
#1. 9:52 I don't really think this chapter is even THAT racist or have tropes that are semi-racist. [And I'm black, so I didn't got offended by it] You're basically overreacting and kinda making a mountain out of a mole hill. 😅☝ #2. 7:19 Sly and the gang basically killed guards all the time, even in Sly 1 & 2. And I don't really think it's that out of character for them to do. Like in Sly 2, Muarry can pick up and throw enemies at laser security fences or Sly can knock them back into them and we see them burn and disintegrate and If you accidentally touch the lasers as either playing as Sly, Bentley or Muarry yourself they clearly get burned. And that mission where Muarry throws guards into the water pump and it exploded after the mission impling that those guards are dead. There were instances where you can knock or throw enemies into the water and they die or make them fall from high heights or bottomless pits [Especially in those 2 Contessa chapters "Jailbreak" & "A Tangled Web"] shoot them with an army tank, blow up explosive canisters next to them. The bad mojo mission has Bentley kill a whole bunch of The Contessa's guards with death traps, and not to mention all the guards that Bentley basically kills with his bombs he drops and we know they're not "non-lethal" bombs as we see Bentley's bombs are strong enough to blow up and destroy solid concrete, a whole bridge, security gates, and control boxes, support beams, not to mention he drops bombs on enemies from his RC helicopter missions, and in Sly 2 Chapter 3 "The Predator Awakes" the mission where Bentley takes control of a real helicopter & used the tail gun to shoot down and blow up multiple of Rajan's choppers as we hear Rajan on the intercom ordering his men piloting the choppers to defend the dam at all costs. And even Muarry shot down a defense chopper in Chapter 2. And let's not forget all the gun turret missions in Sly 1.
@@LootVT For the most part, yes. I agree that "Rumble Down Under" is the 2nd weakest/worst chapter in both Sly 3 & the entire Series #1 for me would be "Of Mice & Mechs" from Thieves in Time. Except for those 2 things I've mentioned which I had disagreements with. But I'm still right about Sly & the gang have killed some thugs in the previous 2 games.
@@Youube-o6v I'm not even mad, I'm just expressing my honest opinion. You're the one that needs to chill out if you're getting this bent out of shape about my comment. You're free to ignore it and move on if it's not that serious to you, bro. I still said I enjoyed the video regardless. So what, I'm not allowed to just have a discussion or a different opinion in the comment section by your logic? Plus, that's a very weak & deflective argument. "Sly is not real life" Well Duh, I pretty sure anybody knows that, Einstein. I simply just made a counter argument to LootVT's opinion at the 7:19 minute mark. [And The game's actually 19 years old, dude. But you were close]
Yeah, the stuff with the Guru didn't seem racist. Just stereotypical at most. I think if it was racist, it'd be more about the Gang not understanding him and thinking he's some wackjob. But no, they all understand him perfectly and respect him. As for the language, it sort of brings Mario and Luigi's "Italian" to mind.
murder was normalised in the children games of the PS2 era, especially sly, ratchet and clank and jak in sly 2 specifically (since i've recently played that) you literally kill some henchmen in certain missions or have the option to kill them via self defense/funsies. Knocking them out is its own mechanic that they can wake up from....unless y'know you kill them with fire, drowning, great heights etc. its as dark as a looney tunes/tom and jerry/simpsons cartoon of old. Violence without blood or dismemberment was ok in the 2000s
I legit just finished the first three games because they came onto the digital store, and I cannot describe how much I was laughing my a-s off at carmelarge. The Sly Cooper games are definitely a prime candidate for furry awakenings back on the day because of her already, so knowing for a fact that she also definitely caused a mass gaintess awakening was beyond funny to me lol.
I swear I remember that when the mask explodes at the end it explodes and takes out all of carmelita's guys cause I swear we don't ever see them again after that. Might be wrong, it's been forever.
@@LootVT No they do show up later at the end in the final chapter, so it's likely the blast took out only the squad she had brought with her for that mission.
You know I never noticed that while looking for box art for it, so maybe I grabbed one from a fan who really wanted it on Xbox LMAO I’m glad you enjoyed the video!!
I’m ngl, i love that thumbnail Sly is totally into that I mean back then i never understood that and found it a little strange Fast forward to now i still find it strange, carmelita is still my furry crush (because well.. furry), and i at least understand certain aspects to it, not the full thing but i understand some of it Also bentley’s always been a bit of a domestic terrorist and a psychopath, he literally called Sly crazy for not leaving carmelita to die at the hands of clockwork in the first game I’m surprised he’s not more wanted than sly
Well sense you seem to be starting to show a pattern of a Sly Cooper tuber, you consider doing any top 10 list for your favorite villains from the series?
The first mission of sly 3 feels in my opinion the closest to sly 2, a passing of the guard from one style to another, after that each chapter feels more the games own style, which sets it apart from the other 2.
Yes, I always thought there was something off about this area. Missions were fun, the area was wide and had lots to offer but something was missing. Something about it that made it less engaging than the other locations. The antagonist of this chapter didn’t make much sense. A mask filled with dark magic in an australian desert setting, while the idea was good, I think it was a bit rushed. You didn’t feel satisfied for beating the villain of RDU, because it doesn’t make you hate it like Octavio or Contessa does for causing harm to members of Sly’s gang. It doesn’t speak, and it’s just a mask at the end of the day but that’s just me. For half of the chapter, you have to bring Guru his gear, and it could have ended right there, but to keep the chapter’s length equal to every other one they dragged it by making missions into the desert with the off road vehicles irrelevant to the story. I think it would have been nicer if this area got a little more development which would have increased the game’s lifespan. Still love it like the rest of the game though, interesting video!
Honestly, if I were to rewrite the level, I’d get rid of the mask and have the villain be some rich asshole profiting off of the opal mines. It could be used to criticize colonization a bit more, especially since the level has a lot of themes around environmentalism. Almost like a Jean Bison type character
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh man, this level! This definitely helped awaken my giantess fetish! My only wish is that there was an alternate ending where Sly fails to get the mask off her and she eventually dwarfs a mountain!
this isn't in defense, as i agree sly 2 has the best the series offers, and really squeezes the most out of the game by focusing on the three titular characters, instead of watering things down or doing things with alternate characters that the main three could've done and have done before (case in point those drills the guru took out, bently or murray could've easily done that). Sly 2 REALLY nails the 'less is more' compared to sly 3. BUT, I need to poke some holes in your points here or there, not out of spite, but I understand the source material myself, and having someone to counter your own points can help improve presentation skills in the future, which can be good if you're looking to make this a career. 1: the motivations behind the level's plot. You complain that things kinda just 'happen' here and that the level feels kind of undefined, with sentences like 'the miners are digging here for some reason', and with the lemonade bar not understanding WHY the mission happened in the first place with 'show the miners they were better than them, i guess?'. The miners are there, because the area is rich with a precious gem endemic to australia called opals, and they're tearing up these places so they can get filthy stinking rich. The problem with this is that they're digging in Wave Rock, and Ayers Rock... two extremely important Aboriginal sacred sites and national landmarks in australia. This implies the miners are doing this /illegally/, and that they are criminals... which tracks heavily with the sly series' lore of sly's family ripping off master criminals, as they are master thieves. Thus you have the Guru's motivation; these are aboriginal sacred sites, he's an aboriginal, he was tasked to protect the land and guard the mask, the mask of dark earth represents the corruption of nature, which aligns with the greed of the miners, and bam you have an unorthodox antagonist, and why the mask needs to be destroyed. The fact that Sly and the gang decide to help the Guru, even before he's agreed to join them, also harkens back to the established fact that, though thieves, sly, bently, and murray are still genuinely good people. As for the lemonade bar, the reason it gets sacked by the gang in the first place ties into bently's plan; demoralize the miners so they disperse and go home. Idk about you, but having worked outside in blue collar jobs similar to that, if everything i rely on at the end of my day to relax and unwind breaks down, i'm gonna wanna go work somewhere else. 2: You complain about the lethal situations the guards find themselves in with the crocodile, and murray throwing them into its mouth... citing sly 2 as being far more 'knock-outy'... let me remind you, that the croc mission is almost exactly the same mission as the water pump one in sly 2, where murray is throwing guys into a water pump... which takes those poor rat guards, and sucks them into a vaccuum-pressurized system of water pipes, where you can hear them screaming as they drown and die. You conclude that bently is being uncharacteristically amoral by feeding guards to the croc, but recall it was bently's idea in the 2ed game to have murray clock a sub-pump's pipes with corpses. He's done it before, and by god, he'll do it again xD. 3: .......... i can't really argue with the giant inspector fox part, you hit the nail on the head pretty well there xD ... AND the complaint that, despite the guru being an enemy of the mask, he had little to no role in defeating it, save for destroying the helicopter, which is disappointing.
I would like to think Murray survives assassination and went to the guru to learn something then he story continues like in the game, but now Murray wonders who tried to get rid of him
To be fair with the crocodile thing I don't really think it's out of character. While Sly and the gang are ultimately good people I don't think it's wrong to say they can be sorta morally dubious at points even in Sly 2 with things like the bear mission. Or heck even the art pieces around the map, theirs nothing to say these things are always owned by the villain nor is it ever brought up if the the art pieces have rightful owners. You essentially in a cartoonish way selling it on the black market. Granted the crocodile arguably is going way too far in that dubious direction but I don't think it can be denied that Sly and the gang can be genuinely dubious if the situation calls for it.
Honestly the hard sell for me personally replaying this game is getting through "Opera of Fear". It somehow feels the slowest chapter and has the most awkward boss fight.
Opera of Fear at least recaptures SOME essence of Paris from Sly 2, so I rated it a lot higher. Octavio was unnecessarily difficult for some reason TToTT
I wouldn't say there was any real racism in the level; stereotypical, yes, but not racist. Many other regions are also rather stereotypical. Also, the Lemon Rage segment was mostly to drive them out by claiming the bar, a place for the enemies to relax, is Cooper Gang turf. They challenge the Cooper Gang to a contest in which group can drink lemonade the fastest; if the Gang win, the enemies clear out. The issue comes at Bentley's turn, who spills most of his lemonade. Claiming Bentley (and by extension, the Cooper Gang) cheated, the brawl ensures.
Oh I definitely understand! I feel like it toes the line between tropey and racism, but for when it came out I’m sure no one thought too hard about it. It’s, again, not the worst but you definitely pick up on it nowadays. And while I understand *why* we did Lemon Rage, it still feels rather out of character for a band of thieves to try and strut their stuff, especially when they aren’t allowed on the mining company’s turf. Murray’s driving missions in Sly 1 work because, presumably, none of the racers know that he’s a thief, so it works better there, and overall it works best for Murray to have those missions. Don’t get me wrong, Lemon Rage is a really, really good mission! It just feels so out of place for what the entire episode was meant to be!
The first 3 Sly games don’t detail fur too much on animals aside from cutscenes. I think he’s just really short-haired not including the beard and hair on his head
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I dunno dude, Bentley put guards to sleep and then attached explosives to their faces in Sly 2. I don't think you could claim that they were just knocked out there.
I can concede that point but… FEEDING THEM TO ANOTHER LIVING BEING? Das messed up TTwTT
@LootVT you throw them into machines to break them in the first level of sly 2
@@LootVT i recall doing something with bears in sly 2 in teh canada levels. wasnt there any point you need to get the guards to meet the bears. i could be wrong, i havent played the series in a bit
To commit various war crimes, press the O button.
@@LootVT what made games fun
Seeing Carmelita grow huge definitely awoke something in me back then.
SAME! Sly 3 is one of my favorites in gaming history because of the sheer variety and Carmelarga of course!
so i wasn"t the only one got it
Mhm
Probably awoke a decent amount of people haha
I only played Sly 3 last month, and I kept coming up with kink jokes for that boss fight, and the fact that it was someone's awakening does not surprise me at all
Not gonna lie as a kid, this was my favorite boss fight because of my crush on Carmalita.
Tbh, I’ve always felt that the complaints about the crocodile mission in particular ignore the cartoony nature of this series. Sure, it has a few more mature scenes and themes, but at the end of the day, this is a series about cartoon animal people beating up bad guys in funny ways and stealing things.
Maybe this episode would have been better if there was an actual boss in it. Maybe the leader of the miners who was corrupted by the Mask of Dark Earth. His back story could have been that he was once an archeologist who found many treasures. But when he took the Mask of Dark Earth, it corrupted him into think that he deserves to have all of the riches of his travels because he’s always giving these relics to a muesum. That could explain why the miners are destroying the entire Outback and give an actual reason as to why the Mask of Dark Earth is there.
Right??? There was so much potential but overall it feels so empty
This is a great idea
Nah tbh I much prefer the "we dug too deep" premise. It's so much cooler and brings in some diversity. This time there kinda are no bad guys, other than capitalism and unlucky nameless workers. Literally every other time there is a characteristic bad guy, maybe it's good to have one level without one.
@@Notski You could still have both. Still give the miners a boss who is just greedy, while keeping the miners digging to deep and finding the mask and finally then attach them together in the operation after both create different issues for the gang in the missions leading up to the operation.
I always thought they added the Shamen to their team was because after dealing with magic crap in the past, Mz. Ruby and The Contessa's second episode, they decided to have their own magic using ally in case they needed it.
As far as I'm aware, it was mostly because Murray trusted the Guru and thought he would be a good addition!
Controlling the wolf in Flight of Fancy was SO FUN!!
@@LootVT No that was Sly, after Murray told his friends multiple stories about his abilities while on the flight to him with the gang only going to see him to get his approval to pause his training until after the cooper vault heist was completed. Only for a ruthless mining company to take shop on his land for any Opal in the ground.
Sly 3 had its wonky ups and downs trying to do so much but I still have a lot of fond memories of it and love the trilogy as a whole. Just wish that style of cartoonier action/platforming game wasn't so rare these days.
Sly 5 by Suckerpunch but with Sly 2’s roots would be absolute bliss!
It’s nice to see sly content still getting so many views even now.
I think the biggest issue with Rumble Down Under is the amount of stressful missions that it has. It starts of rather chill; looking for the Guru, parkouring across the map, but then you just get introduced to one stressful mission after another.
1. Escape with Guru's staff in a dark cave (TWICE), while getting swarmed by enemies AND you have a timer.
2. Collect Scorpions with a new vehicle mechanic AND you have a timer.
3. Protect Murray for what feels like forever with yet ANOTHER new vehicle mechanic, while you are getting swarmed by enemies.
4. Feed enemies to a crocodile while you're also getting swarmed by said enemies.
There's barely any stealth involved in this level at all, there's just destruction and mayhem.
Late response but destruction and mayhem was sorta the goal of this episode, part of the goal was driving out the Mining Company that had forcibly set up shop to drill for opal, part of the Guru's conditions for joining the team was getting the miners out of his land.
@@renkohikawa7893 Well that's kinda the wrong goal to set for yourself in a stealth game, isn't it?
The other Sly games had "chaotic" missions without compromising the entire episode. Sly 1 had the Murray missions and Sly 2 had mainly the boss battles.
A lot of people complain about this chapter lacking a regular Villain like the other chapters but i think its a nice change of pace for once, i have seen people who suggested that the Miners should have had a Foreman/Overseer to serve as the Villain for the chapter but id honestly argue this Foreman/Overseer Villain wouldn't be that very interesting and argueably more boring than the Mask because as we can easily deduct both him and his workers are obviously tearing up the Australian Outback looking to get rich of mining for Opals.
Having the Mask of Dark Earth present is more interesting cause then the Cooper Gang has to take care of both the Miners and the Mask instead of just one problem/villain as usual, Also the Mask of Dark Earth being there is a nice twist as it serves as the consequences of the Miners own actions as they simply dug too deep in an area where they shouldn't have been mining in the first place.
I do agree that having the mask constantly escape any attempt at destroying it got boring/old quickly because we had no idea if we were damaging the Mask at all or if was possible to even damage the Mask in the first place and i do wish they developed the mask more with lore/information or maybe even vaguely a personality but mainly to have each encounter with the Mask be much more unique and interesting in a way.
Personally i've always been curious just how much of the person is left or present when the Mask takes control over their mind and how much the Host of the Mask's original personality affects the Mask itself, Like how we saw the big possessed Dingo in Lemon Rage that was just jabbering nonsense meanwhile Carmelita when possessed was speaking english normally at first anyway, so like does the person's personality affect the Mask at all and also does it matter if the Host of the Mask is a strong minded individual or not.
Honestly one of my favorite boss levels as a kid.... because i liked the idea of climbing the boss. I didn't know about shadow of Colossus as the time i was very young
It certainly did something to me when I played it as a teen.
Giantess you say?
Maybe I should check this out...
I figured it’d be right up your alley!
Very good video, but I will say that a lot of the jobs in Rumble Down Under also had to do with driving away the miners from the Guru's home, not just destroying the Mask. Feeding them to the crocodile was cruel and unusual and in the end did not destroy the Mask but it DID severely lower the morale of the miners, so I suppose it did still have a desired effect.
This is such refreshing Sly content, thank you so much for all of your hard work! I look forward to your future videos!
This means so much to me! I’m glad I can bring back some nostalgia for these games!
I don’t see many people talk about the Sly Cooper series😭😭 thank you for talking about a game from my first game series that I ever played!
I am doing my part!!!
“Sly coopers most infamous level” i dunno man sly thieves in time has some pretty hated ones
I've never had the chance to play 4 but I'll have to take a look! This one stood out mostly due to all of the factors that went into it being so memorable, for better or for worse!
@@LootVT Fair enough. Personally enjoyed this one easily more than the 2 prior gameplay wise however I wont spoil thieves in time but just be prepared for what that game offers
And which levels in Thieves in Time were bad in general?
@@samflood5631 I said HATED. Not bad. There’s a clear difference but still plenty to critique. Like the Carmelita belly dancing level, the mini games that use motion controls, one off the top of my head as well is the fishing for sushi level that requires the motion controls. Not to mention the insta fail levels like sneaking into Rioichi’s sushi shop. And before any thought comes up, yeah the og series had missions that were instant fail but the point was because you had to avoid getting caught by the boss, that’s self explanatory.
Sly 4 is so underrated. I actually prefer Sly 4 to 3.
Even as a kid I was somewhat unsettled by the fact that Bentley was having Murray outright murder these guards by feeding them to the croc, compared to the cartoonish defeats other enemies suffered prior (aside from if you knocked them into fire or water). Like, yeah, these guards are plundering the environment to dig up opals and locked up the Guru, that's pretty dickish, but does that mean it warrants them straight-up death? Sheesh.
And keep in mind, the very next episode has Bentley sic a giant wolf on the Black Baron's guards. What is his problem?
I have never played a Sly Cooper game, but this had me enthralled.
I'm glad!!
I never knew the Koloa dude was a tropy character. I just see him as a Guru cartoon stereotype. He's actually one of my favorites because of his fun animation and you get to control the enemies for some dumb run fun while his theme plays crazy in the background
This was something I never understood as a kid but I began to understand later on was that the whole reason the mask was making Carmelita grow to the size she did was to negate the affects of Bentley’s tranquilizers, but this realization brought up another question; HOW POTENT ARE THESE TRANQUILIZERS?
So strong that they can make almost anybody pass out instantly! They must be against regulation or something.
Sly 3 definitely awoke something in me
I never got to experience this game growing up, but I can definitely see that lol
Okay Sly 4 or Thieves in Tkme was not Suvker Punch. That was the project of Sanzaru. And while it was fun to play (not to mention looked great and had a lot more to the animation), the story needed so much work its ridiculous.
Not to mention the missions that were rather annoying and the character assassination that was present, also personally it felt like the gameplay & movement was rather sluggish compared to the previous games
I was like 4 when I played all these games maybe somewhere along 4-6 so me hearing "Carmelita then grows in size" and immediately recognizing the odd fetish that was very clearly put in front of 4 year old me's face and I did not think anything of it is just one of the most insane realizations ever
7:42 Counterargument: Could anyone survive being thrown into a water pump and have it overflow to the point of exploding? Sure being fed to a crocodile is...Brutal, but at LEAST it is over quickly, the poor rats in Chapter 1 of Sly 2 are drowning in a water pump, acting as fodder to make it blow up, that is just insane.
Oh, and there is also the Death Traps Bentley uses on the wolves in Chapter 5. ...DEATH TRAPS...You know, squashed, impaled, drowned in a kraken infested sewer...Sly 2 also had its brutal moments, just sayin.
This was not to flank on your video btw, I like it alot and I do agree Moon Crash was a bit...Jarring. I just wanted to put my input on Sly 2 Brutality
Yeah after I made this video and people reminded me of ALL the things that you do in Sly 2, I agree that this point wasn't as strong as I would've hoped lol. I think I might have put too much personal emphasis on how Sly and the gang try to NOT kill the villains of each mission (except Clock-La and Clockwerk, though they are edge cases). It just seems so strange that they would harm the henchmen so nefariously but let the villains off with a major beating!
@@LootVT I suppose it boils down to like, character relevancy, the main villains are always the highlights, while almost if not all of the guards are literally just there to act as obstacles in your way. Plus, asides Jean Bison and Arpeggio, who die to outside sources, the only villain that dies that is, you know, not a mask, is LeFwee after Penelope sends him to the sharks, but to be fair the pirate setting made sense.
This Episode reminded me a lot of Majora's Mask, because the main "antagonist" of the episode is a sentient mask that corrupts anyone who wears it and makes them more powerful.
And you got Murray disguising himself as the Moon Spirit, and the name of the final job is "Operation: Moon Crash" which Majora's Mask had the Moon on its way to Crash into Termina to destroy the world.
Rumble Down Under is weird but it's still a fun level with a ton of personality.
Oh wow, I never actually thought about that! There’s a chance the episode is inspired by Majora! Good find.
Kinda bummed there where no bouncing mechanics during that segment.
If you know what I mean.
Originally thought this was gonna be about "Vicious Voodoo" and how the remaster janked up the timing of Mz. Ruby's boss fights between versions. But "Lemon Rage" is one of my favorite missions in the whole series so this level kinda gets a pass from me.
At least it has that! I might talk about Vicious Voodoo in the future though!
You'd think the crocodile would be another poorly disguised fetish the way they casually feed people into that thing. Hard Vore and Giantess tags this is an AO3 fic waiting to become infamous.
Yeah, I genuinely don’t know what was happening on the writing team for ALL of these to be included in one level
I have to say I strongly disagree with you guys. I don't think they are "poorly disguised fetishes", but very obvious innuendoes. Innuendoes like these are there for humor's sake. I for one was cackling at Sly having to climb his gigantic crush as a kid.
Sure, obviously it's super crass looking at it as an adult nowadays, but the times were VERY different back then lmao
"Vore" and "Giantess" are terminology that you guys are injecting into something that wasn't necessarily at all what the writers were going for. In fact I highly doubt it. Like sure, they might fit if you're specifically looking for it, but you can also make sexual jokes and innuendoes like the ones in the level without meaning to refer to actual p*rnography.
@Notski Yeah you're right, but I also did not explicitly state anything in the manner you said. Vore and Giantess can be explicitly sexual yes but I was not stating that the game nor the writers directly depicted anything "pornographic". As you said, innuendo can be written and used for humor and comedy, but innuendo still implies a wink and nod even in regards to kink and fetish. The vore one was more of a joke on my part so I will defer that one for being a reach towards a punchline, but the giantess one has existed for a while since the 90s media that I grew up watching as a child on television and yeah it's innuendo that adults will understand more than kids but it's still something that can and has influenced people as they grow up and actually explore themes they've been exposed to.
@@wolfsraynefan Oh sure. If you were going for comedic effect I get you lol
I guess I'm directing this more towards the video uploader who seems to take this a little too seriously haha. And I just want to remind everyone that winks and nods aren't necessarily anyone hiding their fetishes.
And in fact it probably isn't in the case of the giantess thing since it's rather such an obvious gag. It's also fun and interesting gameplay. I absolutely loved getting to that part as a kid purely because of the silly fun of it all.
I’ve been a macrophile as long as I can remember
You know I read an article about a man that went searching for some treasure (Australia, I think). Guy put in the work and actually found the treasure (some Spanish boat that had gold and silver). He got to enjoy about a week when the government showed up and basically said, "Thanks for finding the gold and silver we'll be taking that back sense it's government property." So ya never living in Australia if they're just gonna pull that card every time someone finds anything of value.
Bentley's plans went from blowing up bridges to feeding living people to crocoiles. And in the next chapter he literally kills 2 blimp pilots with a windmill throwing star. Bentley is the most sociopathic member of the team.
I’d argue the worst chapter in Sly 3 was Dead Men Tell No Tales. But Sly 4 also had the abomination that was Clan of the Cave Raccoon
I HATED the training mission so much that I quit the game for a solid 3 years and recently came back to finish the entire game 100%
Haven’t played 4, and I’m still reliving 3 to check out all that I missed! I figured Rumble Down Under had a little bit of everything wrong with it that it was just memorable enough!
Its fair criticism as Dead Men Tell No Tales was kind of an mess and personally i think it needed some more missions to flesh it out somewhat (maybe?)
Though i 100% agree on what you said about Clan of the Cave Raccoon, personally i think it's the worst Chapter in the entire series as it was such a Slog and i hated that damn Training Mission
I remember being a kid when Sly 3 first came out and Walmart had a Sly 3 playable demo and it was the lemonade bar fight. I hadnt yet gotten any of the 3 games, but after playing it in walmart, i never wanted it so bad before in my life.
This game brings such great memories xD
I think I was too young to understand fetishes all that much when I first played Sly 3, but I still felt that giant Carmelita was an odd and awkward encounter in a way. Still, it was alleviated for me when I saw the outro of the chapter, with the gang looking over Carmelita as she's unconcious (though what happened to the mercs, did they just leave her there? That's rude..). Another reminder of how, while thieves, the gang has a good heart.
Also, them deciding to fool around with her camera was hilarious. Even the Guru after the first three is like "ok, I think I'm getting it". The Sly series had a good comedic pacing for most of its run.
The squad of 4 Merc's that showed up all got blown up as the Mask exploded
And even then iirc in a prototype of Sly 3 the cutscenes were made and finished before the game was 100% completed and the Mercs originally didn't show up at the end of Operation Moon Crash
Tbh, i feel like the attempts to paint the gator and carmalarge segements as "poorly designed fetishes" are in bad faith. The tropes of nature fighting back and size change have existed long before this game. It seems much more likely that the rushed development you mentioned had them take the easy way out.
"We need to work on the Australian chapter but the pirate chapter has grown so large." - "eh just make it a spooky magic object, their recruiting a shamen so it fits." - "But wouldn't fighting a floating mask by itself be wierd?" - " just make it attach to enemies, have each section be a bunch of arenas with gimics with the designs we allready have done... you could even save more time by just having Carmelita be the chapter boss. Just say some magic mumbo jumbo turned her into a giant monster or something."
Honestly it could have gone down that way! I just think it just a little strange that all of these things just so happened to fall within one chapter, so I thought it’d be fun to point it out in a fun and humourous way!
20 years ago, what I insinuate in the video could just be sheer coincidence, but part of me always wondered if there was something else at play.
@@LootVT also fair. The human brain can be wild and loves to sneak stuff in. At the end of the day the carmalarge is still a very fun sequence that I'm sure left a uh... 'positive' impact, depending on your outlook, on all those who played it.
Myself totally excluded. >_> definitely. /nervous joking tone.
That Sly movie was never green lit. They pretty much shared the test animation and made us think they were working on the film
Yeah it was a sad outcome overall. It could've been great as llke a short series or even 3 episodes, but ah well. Maybe someday.
Also, the failure of the Ratchet and Clank movie also caused the idea to be shelved.
@@SaiyanGamer95 Yeah... I still think a Sly cooper movie COULD work if executed right. Or a proper animated show released on youtube.
@@shcdemolisher I think so, too. I also liked the R&C movie.
Though Murray looked a bit weird in the animation.
@@SaiyanGamer95 To be honest i had my doubts when the trailer decided to overemphasize on Murray's food obsession, like Murray has always been a foodie but it felt like ever since Thieves in Time they were slowly reducing Murray's personality to just him being obsessed with food
The level itself has no main villain either. I mean the Mask of Dark Earth is not entirely a villain. It's more of an uncrontrolable super natural force. And the minors mostly serve as the levels basic henchmen npcs.
It's a villain to the Guru and the Guru alone it seems. He mentions explicitly that he needs our help to stop it, but we end up destroying it in the end anyways so I have no clue as to what that's about
I'm pretty sure those guards Bentley used axe and fire and electricity traps on when gathering bad energy in Sly 2 Chapter 5 MIGHT have had a few casualties. Idk seems a bit plausible. Not to mention FLOODING the entire Chapter 3 area probably killed a few guards. Like the team certainly has some kills
The first time I saw the Mask of Dark Earth possessing Carmelita, my first reaction was “Oh, that’s not good.” And she grew 25ft tall, I was like “Okay, THAT’S DEFINITELY NOT GOOD!!!!”
My headcanon is the crocodiles you feed the guards to are mentally underdeveloped since Mz Ruby Exists in this universe😂
Loving the Sly Content, a real breath of fresh air! Keep it up!
Thank you!
Absolutely mention the patreon in every video, at least in the outro. If your future videos are the first for some people, they might not think to check for one, even if they want to support you. Good luck on your journey!
Yeah, Rumble down under was really wtf, but it's not like we only play the Guru twice, unlike Dimitri who is played only twice
It’s true but the Guru just feels like such a nothing character mechanics wise? I feel like if he wasn’t included on the team at all we wouldn’t have missed out, really
@@LootVT Fair, Bentley could have "created" a dart that hacks one's brain so that he'd remote control them in a similar fashion
I love The Sly Cooper series for 3 reasons:
1: The gameplay and mechanics🙂🙂🙂
2: The story😊😊😊
3: Sly has the same last name as me!😂😂😂
Bentley DID say he prides himself on "Deviousness these days". I think that's their way of saying they wanted it to be more like Actuon Spy movies of the 2000's.
I can definitely see that, yes!
Actually Sly 4 was Sanzaru's creation, not Sucker Punches
I actually made that edit but for some reason it didn’t make it in this version of the video, so my apologies!
Great video, Loot! You’re an inspiration to the Cooper Clan Community (the CCC)! But I’ve got to speak out in defense of this chapter. Not only does it have the lemonade chugging contest (which is always sure to make me roar with laughter), but it’s the first time that we see the Cooper gang take an interest in environmentalism and stand up against exploitative mining practices. I know this is a game and not real life (ahh, if only!) but it’s still nice to see that side of things being explored. And yes, although we do see Sly and co. ruthlessly murdering some poor working class dingoes, keep in mind that the Sly franchise began with murder - the senseless slaughter of Connor Cooper at the cruel, cold talons of Clockwerk. Maybe even honorable Sly is not immune to the cycle of violence. And I also really like the part where Carmelita gets huge, I don’t know. Anyway, great job again! 😃
I’m afraid I must dissent my cooper comrade!
I believe environmentalism was already covered sufficiently in Sly 2: band of thieves. Particularly in the “he who tames the iron horse” and “menace from the north eh” chapters. Jean Bison was a rugged and sexy villain who posed an actual threat, unlike the mask of dark earth. Or should I say, the mask of large girth (Carmelita’s big hips anyone?). While I appreciate the effort , the only moment of substance is the giant Carmelita (awoooo!!!!! I’d like to climb those boots!)
No offense to you private, but I believe I rank higher in the cooper army!
@@rileyporter3727
*adjusts military helmet patterned with Sly Cooper crest*
Let’s just see about that, soldier.
While I see where you’re coming from with your Jean Bison argument (or as I call him, Jean Bis-YAWN. Anybody else think this Canadian caveman needs a couple hundred more years in the freezer? The Grizz does exactly what he does only a million times better imo) that doesn’t mean we can’t ever have the gang touch on the environmental topic again.
And hello? No cool, sexy villain? Carmelita IS the villain of the chapter. Unwitting, absolutely, and without one of the Sly Cooper series’ iconic villain introduction segments. But for the first time, Sly and Carmelita are put in actual dramatic conflict with one another, without any ‘will-they-won’t-they’ flirtatious fluff to get in the way.
And how can you not give the lemonade drinking mission it’s due?? Like Loot said, the developers at Sucker Punch had so much faith in that mission that they used it as a demo to hype up the game! Pretty hard to argue that it isn’t a highlight of the entire game, maybe even the series.
In conclusion, I think it’s a little early for you to be swinging around your Cooper cane. Maybe stick to mastering the ninja spire jump first hahaha I’m just kidding!! Hope I wasn’t too in your face, there 🥹
At least we’re on the same page about the joy of climbing Carmelita! I’d been asking for that since Sly 1!
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Looks like you’re in for a war, then, soldier.
While I get where you’re coming from with your Jean Bison argument (or should I say Jean Bis-YAWN. Anybody else think this Canadian caveman needs a couple hundred more years on ice? The Grizz does everything he does only a million times better imo) but I don’t think that means the Cooper gang is never allowed to be environmentally focused again. Murray cares so much for the natural world, after all, especially after learning the ball form.
And hello? No cool, sexy villain? Carmelita IS the villain of the chapter! Unwitting, absolutely, and lacking one of the series’ iconic villain introductions, but that’s the delicious surprise! It’s the first time in series history that we get to see Sly and Carmelita go head to head without any of the ‘will-they-won’t-they’ flirtatious fluff. And obviously the only thing more dangerous than a foxy police officer is a HUMONGOUS foxy police officer!
And I can’t let you get away with not giving the lemonade mission its due. Like Loot said, the developers at Sucker Punch were so proud of it that they made the level a demo to hype up the game. It’s pretty tough to argue that it isn’t a highlight for the game, maybe even the entire series!
In conclusion, I think it’s a little early for you to be swinging around the Cooper Clan Cane (CCC) in my direction. Maybe try mastering the ninja spire jump first hahahaha I’m just kidding!! Hope I wasn’t too in your face there 🥹
At least we agree on one thing. Climbing Big Carmelita is so fricking cool/hot. I’d been asking for that since Sly 1, so it’s no exaggeration to say it was a dream come true
I don’t think it’s fair to say The Guru’s depiction was racist or semi-racist.
I don’t know much about Australian Aboriginal tribes, but I know today in Africa, there are still remote regions with cannibalistic tribes that only speak very obscure languages.
Someone I know knew of a Christian ministry group that was last contacted in an area that was known to have cannibal tribes roaming about. The people in this group mysteriously vanished and were never seen again.
"Then something just snapped, something inside of me...i didn't care anymore"
It’s never mentioned by the gang but the game will directly reprimand you for killing guards when you’re not supposed to on the game over screen. Even using very specific language saying “KILLED.” So yes, these guys have been killing the guards.
A video essay on Sly Cooper that randomly popped up in my recommendations? Don't mind if a-doo.
Your nasaly voice rivals Bentley's tho-
Didn't know this level was infamous, but I always definitely considered it the worst. Horrible missions (with 1 exception) and ugly, brown and dark green environments.
Sly 3 has always been my favorite out of the four since it was shorter with lots of playable characters. Rumble Down Under is my favorite chapter mostly because of the bar fight and how big the map is. Looking back though, didn't notice some of the "stuff" about the writing and jokes here. 2005 was a time that these choices and just fly by since most people were more "lenient" at the time.
That Giant Carmelita was a thing huh. If that whole part of the chapter wasn't so infuriating to play through, I would agree with Sly's reaction. I'm not into THAT, but it is Carmelita.
Yeah and like, even if it is infamous for being such a weird level doesn’t make it bad! It just kind of falls off compared to the myriad of other great levels!
I remember playing the sly cooper trilogy on my ps3 for the first time two years ago and getting to this boss of fighting a giant Carmelita and thinking just how weird and bizarre it all was 🤨
It’s definitely a brow raiser! When I was going back to remember the bosses of this game a few months ago I was like “they did WHAT?” and just knew I had to make a video on it.
RUclips shows me the strangest things sometimes. Took me back, I loved these games.
Valid thoughts though, Bently's descent into, uh lets call it cartoonish super villany I think is supposed to be a plot point but barely gets touched on until the end. And as for Rumble down under... The rush to get it out really changes that finale. I really think bently is supposed to be sarcastic/panicked there. And Sly's lack of a jaw dropped shock expression changes that whole shots tone for him. Which is funny.
Then again Sly is a known thrill seeker and thinks Carmelita chasing him was fun flirting. A 50 foot vixen? He could totally be down for that sort of thing.
I have no clue how it got past the editors though, that writer had a field day!
Yeah I was curious if Bentley acting this was was meant to be touched on more throughout but it was also just kind of forgot about? I'm not sure. I have to play through the rest of this game to fully get a grasp of everything that I didn't understand as a kid!
0:49 I don't think Sucker Puch focused on anything for the fourth game considering they didn't make it
Honestly can't say i agree with your point. At least for me i always enjoyed the level and never felt like it was missing something. The mask being more of a primordial entity as oppose to a usual named boss was something i enjoyed. Granted i don't think i disliked any of the levels in the first 3 games. Can't speak for 4 since i haven't played it. Also killing enemies seems like an odd argument since it's not a new thing to the series but whatever. I will say hearing a level being infamous in sly does surprise me a bit but i never had much interaction with the sly community so I'd pretty in the dark i suppose. I will say the main thing that always threw me off a bit was that Carmelita never had a consistent voice. She's like the one reoccurring character that has a completely different va every game. It's always made me wonder why that was the case. Will say her sly 2 va is probably my favorite followed by 3.
Huh interesting, i have seen and come across many people who said they disliked or even hated Carmelita's Voice in Sly 3
Carmelita's inconsistent voice feels like a consistent thing of its own in a weird way. If they ever made a new Sly and she didn't have another new voice, I'd almost feel disappointed.
This was really well done. Great video Loot.
Thank you!!!
Interesting, there’s so much to learn about this series!
I agree! Even now I’m learning so much more!
I replayed through the lemonade mission soooooooo many times
I think 2-3 is when they were starting to catch on that the furry community exists, and so inserted a number of "interests" they seem to be known for. Such as the macro fetish that was giant Carmelita, the possible vore fetish of feeding the crocodile, and just... dom women in general? Carmelita be double cheeked up, with legs that could crush watermelons.
Yeah she’s definitely put on the sex appeal ever since 2!
I think during development, from what I've heard the VA's of sly and others say during interview podcasts, was that the devs were going through what sort of classic monster movies they could draw from. One being the classic monster movie Attack of the 50ft woman, which we can easily see in this chapter. And other films likely were also used as inspiration.
@@LootVT Sly is hotter tbh
@@shcdemolisher wait really? huh, guess that makes sense then
@@CptJack-ws8nz I mean given the music during that part invoking monster movie vibes, it does.
Personally loooved 2 and 3 as a kid, but its been a long time since Ive played them tbf. Happy to listen and learn your perspective on it all
Turns out the sly movie wasn’t a promise. Somebody made a video breaking down white it was actually a pitch that we were never meant to see
That’s actually insane, I’m glad we got to see what could have been, even if it was meant to be swept under the rug
Really?, i don't belive that
I always thought it was cancelled after the Ratchet & Clank Reboot Movie flopped
I guess the writers were trying to find a way to make it so that Carmelita would be the Level Boss, so they thought what better way than with some supernatural corruptive force/item, and I'm sure having it where the item makes it's user grow bigger & stronger would have been easier to work with then having to come up with some new designs where they like became a hideous monster, or got filled with super saiyan-like energy or something, and it seems like with the Hulk, anger only makes the effects get even stronger, I'll bet it would have been hard for Sly to fight her without trying to badly injure her like he would with any other level boss, especially when she first became somewhere between 10 to 15 feet tall, then 30 to 40 feet tall, and finally about 50 to 60 feet tall, still no excuse for all the not so hidden fetishes, guess that's why these games are rated "E-10", but I digress, maybe if a New Sly game eventually comes out it won't be so rushed & be better written.
I definitely see where your head is at! I can agree that at some point, the devs thought about her being the boss of a chapter, but considering the fact that Carmelita crashes the end of most chapters (inadvertently making Slys job harder) I think that it became an after thought that was rushed in! Here’s to hoping to a more completed Sly game in the future!
I'm pretty sure they love the mission..for reasons 😏
Oh, you know it!!
@@LootVT what about a video idea set on should Sly Cooper actually come back or at least get a remaster of his own games?
@@joelbarraclough6689 Actually yes! This has been something in the back of my mind for a little bit! I have many, many more Sly Cooper video ideas so look forward to this one in the future!
@@LootVT like say a hypothetical idea of what of a Sly Cooper game was in development but got attach to Sweet Baby Inc. like what happened to Rachet and Clank Rift Apart
Nah dude, in Sly 2 Bentley drowns a whole map just to get rajan out killing probably tens of guards. He deserved to get handicapped
What is that voice, it’s alluring but deceiving? Addictive
What did you do?! What magic is this?
A wizard never reveals her secrets 🥰
If you think the sly gang has NEVER been lethal towards guards in the series, i don't think you've been paying attention 😂
We literally burned enemies alive and electrocuted them in sly 2 like numerous times (hell it's literally one of Murray and Sly's abilties)
#1. 9:52 I don't really think this chapter is even THAT racist or have tropes that are semi-racist. [And I'm black, so I didn't got offended by it] You're basically overreacting and kinda making a mountain out of a mole hill. 😅☝
#2. 7:19 Sly and the gang basically killed guards all the time, even in Sly 1 & 2. And I don't really think it's that out of character for them to do. Like in Sly 2, Muarry can pick up and throw enemies at laser security fences or Sly can knock them back into them and we see them burn and disintegrate and If you accidentally touch the lasers as either playing as Sly, Bentley or Muarry yourself they clearly get burned. And that mission where Muarry throws guards into the water pump and it exploded after the mission impling that those guards are dead. There were instances where you can knock or throw enemies into the water and they die or make them fall from high heights or bottomless pits [Especially in those 2 Contessa chapters "Jailbreak" & "A Tangled Web"] shoot them with an army tank, blow up explosive canisters next to them. The bad mojo mission has Bentley kill a whole bunch of The Contessa's guards with death traps, and not to mention all the guards that Bentley basically kills with his bombs he drops and we know they're not "non-lethal" bombs as we see Bentley's bombs are strong enough to blow up and destroy solid concrete, a whole bridge, security gates, and control boxes, support beams, not to mention he drops bombs on enemies from his RC helicopter missions, and in Sly 2 Chapter 3 "The Predator Awakes" the mission where Bentley takes control of a real helicopter & used the tail gun to shoot down and blow up multiple of Rajan's choppers as we hear Rajan on the intercom ordering his men piloting the choppers to defend the dam at all costs. And even Muarry shot down a defense chopper in Chapter 2. And let's not forget all the gun turret missions in Sly 1.
okay bro hope you enjoyed the video!
@@LootVT For the most part, yes. I agree that "Rumble Down Under" is the 2nd weakest/worst chapter in both Sly 3 & the entire Series #1 for me would be "Of Mice & Mechs" from Thieves in Time. Except for those 2 things I've mentioned which I had disagreements with. But I'm still right about Sly & the gang have killed some thugs in the previous 2 games.
@@Youube-o6v I'm not even mad, I'm just expressing my honest opinion. You're the one that needs to chill out if you're getting this bent out of shape about my comment. You're free to ignore it and move on if it's not that serious to you, bro. I still said I enjoyed the video regardless. So what, I'm not allowed to just have a discussion or a different opinion in the comment section by your logic? Plus, that's a very weak & deflective argument. "Sly is not real life" Well Duh, I pretty sure anybody knows that, Einstein. I simply just made a counter argument to LootVT's opinion at the 7:19 minute mark. [And The game's actually 19 years old, dude. But you were close]
Yeah, the stuff with the Guru didn't seem racist. Just stereotypical at most. I think if it was racist, it'd be more about the Gang not understanding him and thinking he's some wackjob. But no, they all understand him perfectly and respect him. As for the language, it sort of brings Mario and Luigi's "Italian" to mind.
@@SaiyanGamer95 Indeed.
murder was normalised in the children games of the PS2 era, especially sly, ratchet and clank and jak
in sly 2 specifically (since i've recently played that) you literally kill some henchmen in certain missions or have the option to kill them via self defense/funsies. Knocking them out is its own mechanic that they can wake up from....unless y'know you kill them with fire, drowning, great heights etc.
its as dark as a looney tunes/tom and jerry/simpsons cartoon of old. Violence without blood or dismemberment was ok in the 2000s
What a great video! I can't wait to see more!
I’ve finally got my scripts rolling, we are so back baby!
GIANTESS CARMILLA 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵!
I legit just finished the first three games because they came onto the digital store, and I cannot describe how much I was laughing my a-s off at carmelarge. The Sly Cooper games are definitely a prime candidate for furry awakenings back on the day because of her already, so knowing for a fact that she also definitely caused a mass gaintess awakening was beyond funny to me lol.
So excited for your next video ^w^
Keep an eye out for the 30th!
Maybe it’s because I started with Sly 3, but I always assumed we were killing the guards, or at least didn’t care if they survived.
I swear I remember that when the mask explodes at the end it explodes and takes out all of carmelita's guys cause I swear we don't ever see them again after that. Might be wrong, it's been forever.
I’ll double check when I finish my playthrough! Maybe they all decided she wasn’t fit to lead them and it was an incomplete plot point!
@@LootVT No they do show up later at the end in the final chapter, so it's likely the blast took out only the squad she had brought with her for that mission.
Very nice put together video. 😎
Thank you so much!! I hope you look forward to the next one!
Great video! Good to see some sly content. Also why does the second son box are have the Xbox logo?
You know I never noticed that while looking for box art for it, so maybe I grabbed one from a fan who really wanted it on Xbox LMAO
I’m glad you enjoyed the video!!
I’m ngl, i love that thumbnail
Sly is totally into that
I mean back then i never understood that and found it a little strange
Fast forward to now i still find it strange, carmelita is still my furry crush (because well.. furry), and i at least understand certain aspects to it, not the full thing but i understand some of it
Also bentley’s always been a bit of a domestic terrorist and a psychopath, he literally called Sly crazy for not leaving carmelita to die at the hands of clockwork in the first game
I’m surprised he’s not more wanted than sly
thanks too a youtuber named Canadian guy eh, he has finally found out what the sly movie truely was, should go watch that
I will check it out!
Well sense you seem to be starting to show a pattern of a Sly Cooper tuber, you consider doing any top 10 list for your favorite villains from the series?
I know I've made 2 in a row, but I promise my content wont be all Sly Cooper!
I'll be coming back to it in a little bit, don't worry!
The first mission of sly 3 feels in my opinion the closest to sly 2, a passing of the guard from one style to another, after that each chapter feels more the games own style, which sets it apart from the other 2.
Yes, I always thought there was something off about this area. Missions were fun, the area was wide and had lots to offer but something was missing. Something about it that made it less engaging than the other locations. The antagonist of this chapter didn’t make much sense. A mask filled with dark magic in an australian desert setting, while the idea was good, I think it was a bit rushed. You didn’t feel satisfied for beating the villain of RDU, because it doesn’t make you hate it like Octavio or Contessa does for causing harm to members of Sly’s gang. It doesn’t speak, and it’s just a mask at the end of the day but that’s just me. For half of the chapter, you have to bring Guru his gear, and it could have ended right there, but to keep the chapter’s length equal to every other one they dragged it by making missions into the desert with the off road vehicles irrelevant to the story. I think it would have been nicer if this area got a little more development which would have increased the game’s lifespan. Still love it like the rest of the game though, interesting video!
Honestly, if I were to rewrite the level, I’d get rid of the mask and have the villain be some rich asshole profiting off of the opal mines. It could be used to criticize colonization a bit more, especially since the level has a lot of themes around environmentalism. Almost like a Jean Bison type character
Lemonade Brawl is hands down the best level ever
In 2025, Sly's 1-3 can be bought on both ps4 and ps5
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh man, this level! This definitely helped awaken my giantess fetish! My only wish is that there was an alternate ending where Sly fails to get the mask off her and she eventually dwarfs a mountain!
Yall know this definitely awaken something in kids back then.
this isn't in defense, as i agree sly 2 has the best the series offers, and really squeezes the most out of the game by focusing on the three titular characters, instead of watering things down or doing things with alternate characters that the main three could've done and have done before (case in point those drills the guru took out, bently or murray could've easily done that). Sly 2 REALLY nails the 'less is more' compared to sly 3. BUT, I need to poke some holes in your points here or there, not out of spite, but I understand the source material myself, and having someone to counter your own points can help improve presentation skills in the future, which can be good if you're looking to make this a career.
1: the motivations behind the level's plot. You complain that things kinda just 'happen' here and that the level feels kind of undefined, with sentences like 'the miners are digging here for some reason', and with the lemonade bar not understanding WHY the mission happened in the first place with 'show the miners they were better than them, i guess?'. The miners are there, because the area is rich with a precious gem endemic to australia called opals, and they're tearing up these places so they can get filthy stinking rich. The problem with this is that they're digging in Wave Rock, and Ayers Rock... two extremely important Aboriginal sacred sites and national landmarks in australia. This implies the miners are doing this /illegally/, and that they are criminals... which tracks heavily with the sly series' lore of sly's family ripping off master criminals, as they are master thieves. Thus you have the Guru's motivation; these are aboriginal sacred sites, he's an aboriginal, he was tasked to protect the land and guard the mask, the mask of dark earth represents the corruption of nature, which aligns with the greed of the miners, and bam you have an unorthodox antagonist, and why the mask needs to be destroyed. The fact that Sly and the gang decide to help the Guru, even before he's agreed to join them, also harkens back to the established fact that, though thieves, sly, bently, and murray are still genuinely good people. As for the lemonade bar, the reason it gets sacked by the gang in the first place ties into bently's plan; demoralize the miners so they disperse and go home. Idk about you, but having worked outside in blue collar jobs similar to that, if everything i rely on at the end of my day to relax and unwind breaks down, i'm gonna wanna go work somewhere else.
2: You complain about the lethal situations the guards find themselves in with the crocodile, and murray throwing them into its mouth... citing sly 2 as being far more 'knock-outy'... let me remind you, that the croc mission is almost exactly the same mission as the water pump one in sly 2, where murray is throwing guys into a water pump... which takes those poor rat guards, and sucks them into a vaccuum-pressurized system of water pipes, where you can hear them screaming as they drown and die. You conclude that bently is being uncharacteristically amoral by feeding guards to the croc, but recall it was bently's idea in the 2ed game to have murray clock a sub-pump's pipes with corpses. He's done it before, and by god, he'll do it again xD.
3: .......... i can't really argue with the giant inspector fox part, you hit the nail on the head pretty well there xD ... AND the complaint that, despite the guru being an enemy of the mask, he had little to no role in defeating it, save for destroying the helicopter, which is disappointing.
This just makes me want to reply Sly 2 now... Id honestly would replay 3 before 1, but man. Sly 2 can never be beat
I would like to think Murray survives assassination and went to the guru to learn something then he story continues like in the game, but now Murray wonders who tried to get rid of him
And Sly makes his grand escape in the background… :)
5:06 I wouldn’t say let’s it go, he walks after it in the animation he’s just not expecting it to jump away so he isn’t running after it.
To be fair with the crocodile thing I don't really think it's out of character. While Sly and the gang are ultimately good people I don't think it's wrong to say they can be sorta morally dubious at points even in Sly 2 with things like the bear mission. Or heck even the art pieces around the map, theirs nothing to say these things are always owned by the villain nor is it ever brought up if the the art pieces have rightful owners. You essentially in a cartoonish way selling it on the black market. Granted the crocodile arguably is going way too far in that dubious direction but I don't think it can be denied that Sly and the gang can be genuinely dubious if the situation calls for it.
Hell Nah, bently ratting out the gang on youtube🤬🤬🤬
Honestly the hard sell for me personally replaying this game is getting through "Opera of Fear". It somehow feels the slowest chapter and has the most awkward boss fight.
Opera of Fear at least recaptures SOME essence of Paris from Sly 2, so I rated it a lot higher. Octavio was unnecessarily difficult for some reason TToTT
@@LootVT will admit, Paris definitely captures the most "heist" feel of the entire series.
I wouldn't say there was any real racism in the level; stereotypical, yes, but not racist. Many other regions are also rather stereotypical.
Also, the Lemon Rage segment was mostly to drive them out by claiming the bar, a place for the enemies to relax, is Cooper Gang turf. They challenge the Cooper Gang to a contest in which group can drink lemonade the fastest; if the Gang win, the enemies clear out. The issue comes at Bentley's turn, who spills most of his lemonade. Claiming Bentley (and by extension, the Cooper Gang) cheated, the brawl ensures.
Oh I definitely understand! I feel like it toes the line between tropey and racism, but for when it came out I’m sure no one thought too hard about it. It’s, again, not the worst but you definitely pick up on it nowadays.
And while I understand *why* we did Lemon Rage, it still feels rather out of character for a band of thieves to try and strut their stuff, especially when they aren’t allowed on the mining company’s turf. Murray’s driving missions in Sly 1 work because, presumably, none of the racers know that he’s a thief, so it works better there, and overall it works best for Murray to have those missions.
Don’t get me wrong, Lemon Rage is a really, really good mission! It just feels so out of place for what the entire episode was meant to be!
This was one of my favorite levels of the whole series lol
Oh, why was it your favorite?
I love all Sly games, but for some reason, this is my least favorite. I don't know, it feels like it's lacking something...
I feel it too! It's fun, don't get me wrong. But the rushed nature of this game took so much out of it.
is the Shaman supposed to be shaved? The amount of detail on his back and ass always made me feel like bro is shaved from the neck down
The first 3 Sly games don’t detail fur too much on animals aside from cutscenes. I think he’s just really short-haired not including the beard and hair on his head