@@Bittaadhami bhai har kisiko waha mat bheja kar . Or seriously tu khud hi soch . Yaha ke podcaster or media Savarkar ko aisa portray karte hain jaise woh koi terrorist ho . We need more such conversations where we can understand all aspects of such historic figures. Yaha ke podcaster politicians ka bhi interview karte hain toh aisa lagta hai jaise koi pr interview ho , na koi cross question, na koi fact check . Kejriwal ka hi interview dekhle raj shamani ke saath . Aisa lag rha hai jaise har sawal kerjirwal ne likhke diya ho.
Savarkar ji was a visionary he knew exactly the ground realities if he could be given a national level platform as in government after partition we have more transfer of population to Pakistan
@sarvendra14, What nation bro? There is no one nation living in South Asian sub continent. Sooner the better u wake up and come out of those emotional rants.
😂a islamic country which is neither democratic nor secular systematically did ethnic cleansing of its minorities especially hindhus talking about other countries lol . These people want democracy and secular when they are in minority and they want sharia and dictatorship when they are in majority.
She is librandu historian.. from University of California./.. Debunking her :- 1] The Chouhan rulers of the 11th century used the term "Aryan Vart" after driving out Muslims. 2] The Gupta and Maurya empires ruled from Afghanistan to Bengal.
1:10:35 you're very wrong ma'am. It's a very very widely known fact that savarkar was against caste. That's what RSS and BJP also supports. RSS even trains people from the dalit samaj to become pandits 🤷
Well question is how genuine these positions against caste were???.. or was it about getting a large section of the Hindu population, especially dalits behind his political agenda... and then dump them when expedient Like contrary to his previous anti caste positions.. in 1939, Savarkar assured that his party Hindu Mahasabha won't necessarily support entry of the dalits into temples. Savarkar said, "Thus the Party will not introduce or support compulsory Legislature regarding Temple Entry by the untouchables etc. in old temples beyond the limit to which the non-Hindus are allowed by custom as in force today." Or to the Indian constitution were Ambedkar played an important role. Savarkar said" worst about the new constitution of Bharat is that there is nothing Bharatiya (Indian) about it. Manusmriti is that scripture which is most worship-able after Vedas for our Hindu Nation and which from ancient times has become the basis of our culture-customs, thought and practice. This book for centuries has codified the spiritual and divine march of our nation. Even today the rules which are followed by crores of Hindus in their lives and practice are based on Manusmriti." Ambedkar, Chairman of the committee that drafted the Constitution of India, criticized Manusmriti as responsible for caste system in India.
@@shantberwal5259 Well yes again question is how genuine that was as I pointed out... but then humans are very contradictory and there are many nuances...
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s tbf, Ambedkar's criticism on Manu smriti from scholarly pov is naive at best and stupid at worst. That text first and foremost isn't a shruti which simply means it isn't a central authoritative scripture (law code not even a scripture tbh) of Hinduism, second point is that it's been historically proven that this text was never implemented as a central law code by any of the major Hindu king ever in the history of India. The last and most important point is that, current version of Manu Smriti is highly corrupted, interpolated and self contradictory hence modern scholarship has discarded it's authenticity. Whilst, I understand the reasoning from where Ambedkar came to this decision of burning the text to make an appeal and unite the marginalized communities of India to agitate and revolt against oppressive system of caste, but his academic perspective about it's origination, religious sanctity etc. have been debunked long ago. On the other hand, before questioning Savarkar's intent on his abolition of casteism, you should actually check his Savarna food camp schemes he implemented at his time, where he would organize food camps consisting of people from all the castes lower to higher. Albeit, he does suffer from anti Muslim bigotry there's no denying it.
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s tbf, Ambedkar's criticism on Manu smriti from scholarly pov is naive at best and stupid at worst. That text first and foremost isn't a shruti which simply means it isn't a central authoritative scripture of Hinduism, second point is that it's been historically proven that this text was never implemented as a central law code by any of the major Hindu kings ever in the history of India. The last and most important point is that, current version of manu smriti is highly corrupted, interpolated and self contradictory hence modern scholarship has discarded it's authenticity. Whilst, I understand the reasoning from where Ambedkar came to this decision of burning the text to make an appeal and unite the marginalized communities of India to agitate and revolt against oppressive system of caste, but his academic perspective about it's origination, religious sanctity etc. have been debunked long ago. On the other hand, before questioning Savarkar's intent on his abolition of casteism, you should actually check his sarvarna food camp schemes he implemented at his time, where he would organise food camps consisting of people from all the castes lower to higher. Albeit, he does suffer from anti muslim bigotry there's no denying it.
@@rajneeshsharma9049lol aise hi unko great bola jata hai na? Aise note me unki photo hai. Bhai age kya hai tumhari? Kitna study kara hai tumne gandhi ko? Savarkar ki death pe kitne log aye the or gandhi ke? Gandhi ke statue kitne hai bhar or savarkar ke? India ko gandhi or budhha ka land bola jata hai naki savarkar ka land. WhatsApp university chodo
I have a deep mistrust of any Indian Historian that doesn’t know Sanskrit. Their biases and scholarship is a 2nd rate version of how the 19th century Europeans (particularly) viewed the natives. Half truths, pandering to the west, 3rd rate scholarship constitutes the output of this crowd.
@@ThePakistanExperience I didn’t hear anything about her knowledge of Sanskrit in the podcast. In her book “Two men …” you don’t get any idea of her knowledge of Sanskrit or a reading of Indian classical texts on Nat etc. either. Her entire thesis starts with William Jones ideas and observations. The entire book is based on a whimsical idea of an attempt to give respectability to Indian music as “classical”, doing comparative nonsense with the development of western classical music. Then spinning the usual nonsense of Hindu vs Muslims and how the Hindus hijacked indian classical music. The broad generalizations are too much to digest.
Who is talking about hindutva... Boy from islamic republic of Pakistan whose Constitution itself is pieces of shit , leave them these are jokers nothing else
Savarkar used to think that muslim can never be faithful to this land, as a proof the 90 percent muslim voted for a separate country Well, I would say savarkar was a visionary and his fear/prediction came true, didn't it? Didn't his fear of muslim betraying the then mother land of 1947 come true? Is it not a possibility again if they r pressed to choose between ummah Or nation state Y did your heart pains for Palestinian? Would it hurt the same for something in Africa or europe? Does it hurt the same when something happens to Christian or hindu in Pakistan? If so would you say this if not all then for the majority of muslim in Pakistan
Any conversation about Savarkar is incomplete without a detailed analysis of the Ratnagiri experiment. Any examination of the Khilafat movement is incomplete without the mention of the Malabar Rebellion.
What is so special about Ratnagiri Experiment? Instead of letting untouchables enter same temple, Savarkar built a separate temple for them and in fact isolated untouchables more. His love for untouchables was not to emancipate untouchables but just to use them pawna of hindutva.
@@nitin1947Instead of fighting the birth based discrimination, Ambedkar made a law that discriminates based on caste. He never wanted to dispel caste but was a sadist to the core who loved seeing poor UC kids suffer. Dekha!! All it takes is you manipulate. Your hate for savarkar is so dense that you can't understand why he was against caste. I Love Dalits getting owned everywhere. Lol!!
@@nitin1947 Bhai kuch bolne se pehle thoda padh to liya karo. The temple was built not only for untouchables but was open for all without any discrimination and Dalits were encouraged in participating in daily proceedings of temple.
You can only be a traitor to a nation state or a kingdom, the British Raj was neither and India as a singular entity probably never existed or even if it did it was so far back in the BC era that the concept of nationhood had been replaced by regionalism by the 20th century. Hence partition was all political in nature.
Rss existed before Muslim leaguy U ppl were first to separate us, Pakistan was a need If Pakistan would have not existed, wr would have been treated similar to indian muslims
@@lanoklom9697what a pathetic presentation of once intellect. Portion of india was based on two nation theory that Muslims cannot live with hindus because they were different. It was through nd through religious.
@@owaissherazRSS formed in 1925, M League in 1906. But I support the partition, only total population exchange should have been done which Savarkar wanted. Then there would have been a lot peace in both nations, Pak would not have been partitioned in 1971 and lots of lives would have been saved. Neither the Hindus, nor the Muslims would have to suffer.
Answer to your question: Where did the concept of unified India come from? Did Savarkar invent it? No, it is there in ancient Indian texts if one cares to read it. Below is the definition of Bharat in one of the Puranas: The country (varṣam) that lies north of the ocean and south of the snowy mountains is called Bhāratam; there dwell the descendants of Bharata.
@@muddi900 Sindh is, Balochistan is not. Look at relief map of Indian subcontinent - it's obvious what the contours of civilizational India is just by looking at the geography - the subcontinent is a flat plain surrounded by mountains all around the north and the ocean to the south. The shaktipeeths are there, all of our puranas mention the different regions, our ancient sages and gurus repeatedly talked of walking it from east to west and north to south, the vishnupuran defines its boundaries as do many other works. It is only because Pakistanis are completely cut off from the native sanskrit and prakrit literature of the land that these duffers think that savarkar is 'dreaming up' the idea of India sitting in Maharashtra. And it is shameful that this so called columbia university professor isn't aware of these conceptions of bharat and did not throw them into shehzad's face.
49:20 she explains gandhi POV for supporting Khliafat was humaare brothers hai, support honi chahiye. please explain to me what was Gandhi POV when he said "Hindus must not harbor hate against Muslims even if the later wants to k** them." or when he demanded for "street justice" against the writers of Rangeela Rasool. tab gandhi ko hindus humaare brothers nahi lage?
Where did you read about the "street Justice" against the writer of Rangila Rasool .... In government's website the Gandhi's entire article is given ....The only quote I found was " One dastardly act of a Muslim has set the Hindus against Mahommedans. As a Hindu, I pray you do not have any bad feelings towards Muslim. By murdering him he, the man who did it, has neither benefitted himself nor Islam"
@@SagnikSanyal88 whenever reading from a govt website a lot of controversial text is whitewashed. Let us forget anything about Rangila Rasool. Tell me did gandhi not say Hindus must not harbor hate against Muslims even if the latter wants to k** us all. is that bhaichara?
This is how to understand the spectrum of political and ideological alignment in Pakistan and India. Ultra-nationalist or highly controversial religious leaders in India are equivalent to centrist figures or those at Imran Khan’s level in Pakistan. Similarly, the most ultra-left, modern liberals, or woke individuals in Pakistan are equivalent to centrists or semi-right-wing figures in India. There is no equivalent of India’s left wing in Pakistan, just as India lacks an equivalent of Pakistan’s right wing. In India, we will never see a Pakistani leftist or woke figure openly criticizing Islam or speaking for minorities, especially for religions like paganism or idol worship, in the way India’s left speaks about Hinduism or its minorities. In Pakistan, even the most ultra-left or liberal figures are equivalent to the RSS in India. This shows how the political spectrum differs significantly between the two countries. The left in Pakistan tends to play it safe by avoiding criticism of Islam, whereas India’s left engages in self-reflection or even self-criticism
Wat u conveniently ignored is the fact k Muslims r sizeable minority whereas in Pakistan there Muslims and negligible other minorities still shezad ghuas, muzamil, hoodboy speak yp for hindus,, Secondly RSS is definitely something which is more extreme and calls for open genocide of Muslims Btw wat have u given to muslims Tell me about the representation of muslims in burocracy, army or parliament with respect to their population Whereas in Pakistan although treatment isn't wat should be but we have kota seats for themand they do get their due representation
@@owaissheraz "RSS is definitely something which is more extreme and calls for open genocide of Muslims"........utter lie. Listen to the speeches of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat. Dont confuse random hate spewing youtube edgelord with actual rss members. "Tell me about the representation of muslims in burocracy, army or parliament with respect to their population "..........Public exams are open for all. There is no discrimination on basis of religion. If some Muslims choose to live in ghettos and go to Madrasas instead of actual schools, how is this Hindu's fault? You're saying that Muslims in India are having a bad time. Firstly, everyone in India is having a bad time, sinvce its a third world country. But if Muslims are specially being targeted, why aren't they fleeing to Pakistan? I know Muslims who hate BJP, and Muslims who're ok with BJP. But none of them ever expressed any intention of leaving BJP ruled India. You speak of quotas. But are non Muslims allowed to become president or prime minister of Pakistan? India has had Sikh prime minister and Muslim, Sikh and Christian presidents. Is that possible in Pakistan?
@@owaissheraz RSS doesn't call for open genocide of Muslims. RSS calls for uniform civil code. Islamic scripture calls for open genocide of non believers. Islamic sharia calls for second class citizenship for non-muslims.
You are commmenting on Pakistani RUclips Channel and telling Pakistani what to do and what not to do. LOL Why don't you keep yourself to your own indian youtubers first.
Not a fan of Savarkar or gandhi but never forget that Savarkar,s brother and the people of his caste the chitpawan brahmins were lynched to death by Congress workers after the assassination of Gandhi and the congressis did same with Sikhs after assassination of Indira Gandhi
Yes and they shame people talk about humanity😒dusaro ko andhbhakt kah dete h lekin Ghandhi ke upar congress ke upar koi sawaal puche to inhe mirchi lagti ha.
Us time 5000 bharhmano ka mara gaya tha us time ki gov ne indian news per ye chij aane tak nahi di lekin world ke dusre news paper me ye news chhapi thi
Savarkar was a true rationalist and realist and thats why he saw through the danger of Islam unlike the Idealistic idiot Gandhi who blindly trusted them without trying to understand them. And yes one can say savarkar was not an atheist as he had vast knowledge of the original Hindu theology which became polluted overtime with many problems like varna system became caste, untouchability, loads of superstitions, hyperritualism, subjugation of women etc. And understand this too colonialism of India started after Isalmic invasion so Islamic rulers and britishers are both colonizers of India and we will decolonize India.
@@amish2394 I know you dont have slightest knowledge of history but if you have come till here than atleast watch above podcast may be your peanut brain will grow a bit.
@@sujeetsingh9032 Gandhi ji might have trusted Islam blindly but Savarkar stayed blind through out his life, he didn’t understand Sanatani and didn’t have a clue about Islam. If I am not mistaking, Second Caliphate of Islam said that “ the oldest civilisation of India will not be able to avoid the benefits of Islam, sooner or later “ along with a few other things that is now accepted with open arms in India is, daughter’s share in property and divorce, which never existed and practiced in India, until the arrival of Islamic teachings.
@@shames-ulhaq4296Non sense. Islam was there in India for a long time. For most part Hindu brides were bought with “bride money”. Bridegroom dowry is more recent after British govt jobs became prestigious. Islam never gave equal share to women. Hindu adoption of equal share to girls is more due to a modern outlook than due to religion. Our Hindu culture is like a river, it adapts to the terrain and time.
Mahatma Gandhi On April 6, 1947, Mr. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi said-- "If Muslims want to kill us (Hindus), we must face death bravely. Hindus should not harbor anger in their hearts against Muslims even if the latter wanted to destroy them. If they established their rule after killing Hindus we would be ushering in a new world by sacrificing our (Hindu) lives". In 1919 Gandhi also joined the Islamic Khilafat movement which was started by Muslims to protect the Islamic Caliph and save Islam when Ottoman Turkey got defeated by the British.
getting a marxist scholar to talk about hindutva.. perfect way to stay in the echo chamber!! maybe get a person like j sai deepak or anand ranganathan , vikram sampath.. if you actually wanna know about savarkar and hindutva without all the marxist bias
1:03:40 he DID NOT "Fabricated" the said imperialism ma'am, it already existed from century. here again at 1:04:26 you said that the term Aryavart is not historically not proven, please read the subcon's history, get that mind out fiflthy mogul period indian subcontinent ALWAYS had hindu past, it was never erased. also please stop using the term like "south asia" its INDIAN SUBCONTINENT
The British attempted to erase the memory of the 1857 revolt. It was Savarkar and other Hindu nationalists who retrieved documents to help Indians learn about the revolt. I recommend "Revolutionary" book by Sanjeev Sandyal know more for our revolutionary.
@amish2394 libradu or nile kabutaro ke dukh ki Amazon pr book ki rating sabse high hai.. Sanjeev Sandyal are relative of Satindra nath Sandyal closest of Arvind Ghosh and rasbihari bose real Freedom Fighter not like Motilal Nehru and Jinnah boost sucker of British 🤫🤫
1:02:00 The right answer which your guest maybe forgot is that The inspiration of Akhand Bharat in Savarkar comes from Maratha Empire/ Chatrapati Shivaji maharaj who gave the Idea of Hindvi Swaraj (Hindu Self rule) which actually became reality for a short time before British defeated them. So it's not his Invention nor an Imagination. India as a concept existed from atleast 2,300 years when Alexander comes and describes both Poru from Punjab and Nanda from Bihar both as Indian, when Romans traded with Kerela they described them as Indian, 7th century Indian Literature describes Bharat as an entity from Himalayas to Southern ocean. I am actually disappointed how can a historian talk about savarkar and doesn't talk about Shivaji Maharaj who's teachings obviously had enormous influence on him.(both are Marathi and from Same region.) Just because we are talking about Savarkar and modern History, Ancient and Mediaeval history along with Religious text don't just disappear coz they certainly didn't for Savarkar.
Do u find any hindu terrarist, but why all terrarisit are Muslims, Pakistan should not teach on religion especially to india, Savarkar is not PM or his ideology in place, indian Constitution is working,
Gauri Lankesh, Gandhi's hit men were individuals who took out their own people due to differences of opinion and ur association of them to global religiously motivated othering of people who don't bow down towards mecca is simply a propaganda
Nice to know Velupillai Prabhakaran and LTTE members were Jews 😂but alas jis bande ko Terr**ist ke spelling nahi aate usse kya hi history aur nuances expect kar rha hoon also it's "India" and "Indian Constitution" pehle desho ke naam likhna seekhle gawar
I have visited cellular jail in Andaman. The story of torture there is enough to turn any man insane. there is a long list of prisoners who died there in torture.
If Savarkar and Gandhi both were dangerous then where are british records mentioning Gandhi as D category because Savarkar surely got this badge of Honor on his prison documents
Some one tell this learned lady that NASTIK doen't mean ATHEIST, it means DISBELIEF in the vedas - you dont have to have written books and be an intellectual to know that.
It was not only Savarkar who questioned legitimacy of Khilafat but also Ambedkar. The reason why Khilafat raised questions of divided loyalty for Savarkar and Ambedkar was not just about what was happening in Ottomon but what actually happened at Moplah in today's Kerala. and y was Ratnagiri missed in conversation?
@@Hararyoukoz3106 ye baat anand ne boli? aur 2000 ke note mei chip batake godi media kaise hogya? they thought aisa kuch hoga but nahi hua. regardless media ne galat assumptions maare isme anand, j sai ya vikram ki kya galti hai?😂
46:07 - He NEVER EVER said Muslims are OUTSIDER & ATTACKERS. He only consider EVERY ONE on the other side of Indus as HINDU - By IDENTIFY (NOT by Religion) for FREEDOM & NATIONALISM ❤
@@lanoklom9697 how is stating a fact a taking a self righteous postion while sitting on a high horse. Either come out with proof to say you are wrong, he did say so. Simply shut up. Is shivam giving a sermon? Or talking about his own philosophy? Or giving you life advice? Just stating plain facts. Disprove it or support it. What is this veiled attempt at discrediting a comment which is a rebuttal?
My Only question is if British thought that Savarkar can be a Usefull tool agajnst Gandhi then why give him 4 year of extra prison term in Ratnagiri after 10 years of cellular jail from 1910-1921 and then 13 years of House arrest/keeping him inside the boundaries of Ratnagiri city. Why not parade him all over India and use his full potential. Rather than banning him from all political activities
Marxist historians have coined new narrative against savarkar. It's more nuanced and slight demonisation. One thing is constant. They keep lying and keep changing history to suit their new narratives
The lady says 'Savarkar and Gandhi are on a spectrum, both of them equally dangerous'. That is completely inaccurate. All one has to do is compare Gandhi's jail surroundings vs the jail VDS was put in.
Shehzad go and read about Moplah Savarkar and others saw the duplicity of Muslims - Khilafat and Moplah and Deobandis and Barehlvis .. therefore why would anyone believe them anywhere in the world Gandhi should have been stopped long before … he was don’t want to even waste words on that man
At 1.04.00 is she implying that the idea of an Indian nation doesn't have ancient pre-colonial, pre-Islamic basis...it's quite clear that there is a cultural continuity from Gandhara in Afghanistan to South East Asia. And every major king of India was very clear what is it that they consider part of India and hence they tried to conquer it. This is the basis of Maurya imperialism to Gupta or even Harsha or Rashtrakuta to even Khilji and later Mughal imperialism. When Megasthenes talked about an India, India may not have been mapped out but he was clear of which land he was talking about. I mean, the word "Hindu" or "India" is itself over 2000 years old. What ridiculousness is this that we have to explain this to a Harvard or Oxford scholar!
@ks20234 Well, there is a difference between a NATION and a region having somewhat an overarching civilisational framework. As to political entities only under the British Raj was the subcontinent under one power, this wasn't the case under previous rulers. Even under Asoka the south wasn't in his empire. So for most of the indian written history, it was ruled at the same time by many, many different smaller kingdoms who were often at odds (not always) with each other.
@user-rh5jp2sh4s I disagree, the Mauryan empire was much more centralized, and powerful during the first 3 rulers than the British empire. If you read the Artha shastra, based on which we believe that the Mauryan polity was largely based, it depicted a very centrally strong empire. On the other hand - more than one third of the British Raj was under the Princely states who had full autonomy to govern their states, except for defence, external affairs, communication which the British controlled. So British were not governing on a day to day basis these states.
Finished watching the entire podcast in one go, woof, i didn't think i would say this but this was a really really good one. I love that she has not tried to "label" savarkar anything and present him as he was. From now onwards i also hope that shehzad won't also make the repetitive mistake of equating RSS or Hindutva with fascism. They're veryy veryy different things.
@@ThePakistanExperience but doesn't that mean you're hurting a section of society who still beleive in Hindutva for what it was by comparing it to fascism when it is still not even close to it if you go by the current defenition of hindutva? 🤷
@@ThePakistanExperience and with this logic, it shouldn't also be wrong for people to use "jihad" negatively keeping in mind what's happening today and rejecting what jihad truly stands for?
@@kanika0846 it is a very confusing picture, Dr. Janaki Bakhle clearly says that in savarkar’s India Muslims will be minority, clearly meaning a “second class” minority, if Savarkar was alive today, like his cronies he will be promoting “ghar wapsi” as his hindutva prerogative.
Great discussion Shehzad. I have read his material in Marathi and also his speeches along with the recently published book. She is approaching Savarkar with leftist mind. I don’t agree with her assertion that he invented Aryavarta etc. she understands that the guy was versed in Hindu religion as well as very well read. Savarkar and strangely Jinnah were protege of Mr BG. Tilak. She ignores influence of Chatrapti Shivaji Maharaj who established Hindavi Swarajya in defiance of Aurangzeb of Maharashtra who had huge influence on him. Hope her well.
Not to trust these islamists and leftists. First they engaged indian audiences, now they are running a propaganda war. Someone from India must do something about it.
@@ThePakistanExperiencei dont think you have read anything Savarkar wrote. Thats clear from the podcast. Such a lacklusture podcast is not expected from this channel.
Read about ambedkar views on Muslims and gandhi in his autobiography . Uh will find SAVARKAR very logical then ...and as a great patriot. Gandhi was a joker🤡 Uh can also read vikram Sampath about savarkar
42: Difference between JEWS PARSIS CHRISTIAN and MUSLIMS is for others COUNTRY FIRST RELIGION SECOND and for MUSLIMS ISLAM FIRST COUNTRY SECOND. We in Maharashtra called Savarkar SWATANTRYA VEER.
She's educated, well-versed and eloquently presenting her arguments. You're writing one-liners in the comment section. Never seen a single Hindutva be even half as educated or eloquent. So the emoji fits perfectly for you 🤡
@@lanoklom9697 because you dont feel anyone being educated when they have a different opinion. you would call a cat intellectual if she meows in your preferred way.
So when he speaks up against Pakistani ppl, which narrative is he supporting U ppl can't handle a bit of deviation from ur own preassumed notions..... Why do u even bother listening
Savarkar was right Afghanistan, Pakistani, Bangladesh are muslims country. Half IND what we have now has almost 30 crores muslim if we don't do something we will lose more lands
Savarkar was a visionary who anticipated the trajectory India was heading towards. He recognized the significant threat posed by the underrepresentation of Hindus in the armed forces. While Congress and Gandhi encouraged Indians to join the Non-Cooperation Movement and abstain from supporting the military effort against the Germans, Savarkar urged Hindus to enlist and contribute to the war effort. This decision arguably played a crucial role in ensuring that the Indian Army was not entirely ceded to Pakistan. Meanwhile, as Gandhi and Nehru were imprisoned in relatively comfortable conditions during the Non-Cooperation Movement, the British engaged with Jinnah, promised him Pakistan, and ultimately fulfilled that promise. It is now up to the people to reflect and decide who was right and who was wrong.
Who is she? I bet, she isn't a Pakistani. Her narration based on her research seems quite objective.. She isn't demonizing, or glorifying the men she is talking about. I don't wanna sound opinionated, but Pakistani historians don't talk like this. Vikram Sampat is the guy who opened a new perspective about Savarkar...
Savrakar's ideology of Hindutava was to counter of Islamic extremism of 1920's during Khilafat days. Everyone has right to defend the people of it's faith ,he wants to militarise the Hindus but he didn't believe in some pious Puranik practices like caste Discrimination and sanctity of cow etc,so HIS Hindutava is different from the so called Sanatana faith,whatever been said in podcast is constructed narrative of the author, she's herself affected by colonial trap of falsehood about the Hindutava icons like Savrakar.
Load of nonsense 😂😂😂😂 did she just say that india Vedic Buddhists hindu culture never travelled to Indonesia under the cholas or that ancient India never traded when evidence is there by British historians , archaeologists lollll
Hands down! This is one of the best podcasts I’ve listened to on Savarkar. Outside of the most progressive & wealthiest state of Maharashtra, he doesn’t get his due recognition. It’s interesting to see how the most progressive people consider him as their hero while the so called Hindi belt people are afraid to own him.
These are historians who dont know sanskrit, dont know persian, nor arabic, nor any local indian language and write Indian History or about Indian heros. So much stupidity in the market.
@ThePakistanExperience, see the bias she has for her supid communist mentor, for Savarkar, for Gandhi Nehru. The title itself mentions fascist. What is this? Is it a writing from Gandhian communist view? I have seen every bit of your podcast but found only hate that drove her work. Have any Indian heros that you daily mention suffered from Kalapani jail? No, but ours Savarkar suffered. How easily she says British used Savarkar against Gandhi. But it was Gandhi who enjoyed all the powers and immunity from the Raj. He never suffered like Tilak, Savarkar, Lajpat Rai, Bhagat Singh for any of his acts. What she says that she dive into the mindset of Savarkar, such stupid writers who are anti-Savarkar, anti-Hindutva are writing to demean the works of Savarkar. These people are called JNUchhaap in India. Everyone of them fails in any debate. These are the Brown Sahibs that we always mentions. Be free from them. I see you as a ignorant communist. I love you for the ignorance you have.
Talking about Savarkar without Vikram Sampath is like talking about Gandhi without Guha. Dude if your ego isnt serving you too good, just reach out to Vikram. He owned Tharoor live in debate. Maybe your audience will see who Savarkar really was.
Hindustan was firstime coined by Aurangzeb as an identity for Indian subcontinent. Savarkar was a rationalist Hindu he said similar things every one living in Subcontintent is Hindu and Madamji even don't know it was fascist Jinnah who created a nation on the basis of religion and Dr Ambedkar,Savarkar slammed Gandhi for agreeing.
Shehzad, you should also try and do a podcast with Vikram Sampath who has written a voluminous book on Veer Savarkar. It is not a hagiography, as some may believe it to be. While Dr Janaki Bakhle's perspective on Veer Savarkar, Gandhi and others is fairly objective and provides great insights, it would be interesting to do a second edition on Veer Savarkar with Vikram Sampath to get another critical perspective on the same individual. His book on Veer Savarkar is very well researched and provides a lot of additional insights into Savarkar's life and his ideas. In the same breath, would also request for a podcast with William Dalrymple on his latest book, 'The Golden Road'. Brilliant book and provides fresh perspectives on the maritime trade links between ancient India and Rome and the extent of it. While some of us are aware of the contributions made by Aryabhatta, Sushruta, Brahmagupta and others, most people in the region are not. Geographically, they all resided in present day Pakistan. From mathematics to astronomy to medicine, the ideas that originated in this region and how they transformed the world. Perhaps lost to the people in Pakistan due to a convoluted perspective about their origins. And you have touched upon that challenge through various podcasts. William Dalrymple's book also talks about how the region was connected through a culture of diversity where multiple beliefs and ideas coexisted. Would be interesting to talk to William and am sure would be quite an illuminating one for the Pakistani audience as well.
The lady says she was surprised to know Savarkar was a poet! That he was caste agnostic!! What?? This is a well known fact. Now one more secret for this lady. Hey lady - he also said there was no harm in consuming beef.
Pakistan tum bna le gye Islam k liye apni civilizational Identity ko side kar k but blame Savarkar ko karte ho ki usne British k divide and rule agenda ko further push kiya hindutva k agenda me.Read J Sai Deepak's two books on Colonialism of India."India that is bharat,coloniality civilization and constitution" and "India Bharat and Pakistan, Constitutional journey of sandwiched civilization"
Wo uske opinions hai alternate realities pe based hai kbhi book pdhi bhi hai ya bas copy paste kr rha ? savarkar koi freedom fighter nhi tha usne kbhi angrejo ko oppose nhi kiya na usme kbhi independence demand kri ek do baar dominion status manga hai usne aur phir maafi mang ke chup ho gya aur atleast usne apni juban rkhi jail se bhik mangke bahr aane ke baad usne kbhi goro ko oppose nhi kiya na kisi movement me part liya , jab wo khud chup ho gya to tum kis muhh se chilate rehte ho
@@navneetparmar3084 abe kahan se itihaas padh ke aaya hai.... Lgta he tu kabhi jindagi me school nhi gya. Savarkar ne kuch nhi kiya isi liye kalaa paani ki saja kaat raha tha. Pata nhi kahan-kahan se jahil aa jate hen.
@@mohitkulashri2902 isiliye to tu kuch quote na kr paya 😂 tere dimag pe jyada pressure na pde isiliye sirf ek chiz de rha hindu mahasabha aur muslim league ne milke coalition govt bnayi congress ke khilaf ye pdke aa phir aur btaunga bete , tumlogo ka dimag kb me data store krta hai jyada dunga to hang ho jaega
@@navneetparmar3084 han bhai han... Savarkar ne kuch nhi kiya isi liye kalaa paani ki saja kaat raha tha. Ab khush.... Pata nhi kahan-kahan se jahil aa jate hen.
Aryavarta is mentioned in ancient Indian texts. So is rashtra. Read about Aurobindo gosh and Vivekananda idea of cultural nation diff from political nation that is western nation state. India is a civilisational nation not a nation state.
As per the host, Savarkar was also as progressive and secular but wanted all Muslims to pledge their allegiance to the Indian state first before accepting them. However, Gandhi thought that those Muslims who put religion above state, would change their hearts, if we show love and affection even when they hostile towards Hindus. People could argue fiercely for both but both wanted the same outcome! I have seen today that RSS still have no issue with Muslim or any other religion as long as they are loyal to India!
Saraswati River is not a mythical river its the mother of Hindu Civilization for past 20,000 years of our Itihas much before Vedas were composed, it dried 4,000 years back but still alive in Hindus Consciousness. Goddess Saraswati is worshipped as Goddess of Knowledge.
Savarkar and his work …. Has not been promoted because leftist secular cabal likes of JNU etc suppressed it All know his power as a Poet and all marathi people know his power even kids know his poems and a whole generation … Nehru even set people to follow him People were scared of him cause he spoke the truth
@ThePakistanExperience Good nuanced discussion... But Shahzad, I must say, judging by the comment section... the RSS/BJP IT cell, seem to be one of your most loyal viewers...😉🤣😂 They seem to go in overdrive mode only minutes after you release the video
Instead of trying to find faults at hindus n hindutva... Try n pointing finger to drawbacks in u r religion and islamist... Which u cant because u will disappear 😂
For people who get it, 58:30 was an intellectual jhapad to the likes of Shehzad and other liberandus of Pak who all hold a view regarding RSS/Hindutva/Savarkar and justify their delusions.
Didn't expect this from an erudite historian scholar when at 53.28 she says that Hindus are 84%. This is a wrong fact as this was only after partition, in the nation of India. During the Khilafat movement in 1920s, in undivided India, the proportion of Hindus was 65%, while Muslims were 30%. So the extent of Hindu majority is being exaggerated. Also the Muslims even if 10-15% have no fear of attacking and persecuting Hindus, while Hindus generally divided along caste lines rarely if ever unite..this is the divide that the sickular politicians of India exploit till today - to consolidate the Muslim vote by cynical appeasement and to dividing Hindu vote around caste and ethnic lines and denigrating Hinduism. So what Savarkar feared a 100 years back those conditions exist even in today's India which is despite overwhelming Hindu majority.
I liked how you can point hardliners in islam and hinduism but after seeing your support for radical islamist of palestine,hamas and how you literally sort of forgot hostages. Again no one denying thousands of childrens and womens were killed. But i dont know maybe to appease pakistani audience who just turn blind when it comes to israel and their natural hate for jews even at the cost of supporting terrorist you got loaded and took their sides.
@@ThePakistanExperiencewell it's hilarious when we see muslim pointing out isreal about the killing and Palestine or even Rohingaya or kashmir .. While the same won't say a word about the virtual annihilation by killing forced migration of non Muslim communities in islamic countries. Where the native population is refused to below 5% in some places below 1% like afghanistan Pakistan Indonesia even all meddle east. Jews in Muslim countries are in 3/4 digit.. If you want to respect the respect of others , the reality is Muslim treat their minorities like shit.. and they are real xenophobes.. and it's not just limited to specific country
@ThePakistanExperience I understand and particularly if seeing middle east. Have been following for more than 5 years continuously reading all sorts of articles from the diplomats,BBC,NYT,Reuters(mainly). Read books, watched podcast too. So from this I can say I am not foreign to these matters. With following these things I know substantial if not completely
Hate for Jews is not Natural in Islam or Muslims , Its been copypasted from Christian and European Books from 1800s and 1900s and enforced into the minds. Your Right on the Hostages but you forget that there is tens of thousands of Palestinians in Israeli Prisons aswell , Hamas kidnapps Israels to trade them for Palestinians Imprisoned which gives them a boost in Popularity for freeing People who would never be freed irl. Since Ghias is Leftist , He supports PFLP or DFLP rather then Hamas. Hatred for Jews is Kinda False considering that Islamic World and Eastern Europe under Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth were the only safe areas for Jews to live between 1200-1900 till PLC was parititioned and Zionism came up.
Same as u, u are also doing podcast on topics about which u have 0 knowledge so others can also talk about things which they don't know. There is no difference between him and u@@ThePakistanExperience
Anyone who has really read about savarkar and has no agenda will have mad respect for savarkar...hes the og of freedom fighters and hindutva...gandhi jinnah nehru were politician's .. youngsters dont read so watch randeep hoodas film...
The Territory of Bhāratāvārsha had been Explicilty defined in Puranas....From the Snowy Himalayan Mountains to the Sea in the down, there is a Landmass called as Bhāratāvarsha.....It's funny how She even don't know the Basics.
To be honest, she is extremely verbose. All sound and words. Her messages/ content gets lost. People from Humanities are usually like that, fancy words, pause and meagre content.
Kavi Bhushan पीरा पयगम्बरा दिगम्बरा दिखाई देत, सिद्ध की सिधाई गई, रही बात रब की। कासी हूँ की कला गई मथुरा मसीत भई शिवाजी न होतो तो सुनति होती सबकी॥ कुम्करण असुर अवतारी औरंगजेब, कशी प्रयाग में दुहाई फेरी रब की। तोड़ डाले देवी देव शहर मुहल्लों के, लाखो मुसलमाँ किये माला तोड़ी सब की॥ भूषण भणत भाग्यो काशीपति विश्वनाथ और कौन गिनती में भुई गीत भव की। काशी कर्बला होती मथुरा मदीना होती शिवाजी न होते तो सुन्नत होती सब की ॥
Please do a podcast with Kushal mehra to discuss Savarkar and the same topics you discussed with her.There are some serious problems in the concept of hindutva in this podcast.
Instead of an academic and a historian I should discuss it with a podcaster? And I don’t mean that as an insult to Kushal, I am a podcaster too but if he had a Professor of History on and somebody told him aap Shehzad say Sahee samajh lai I would say the same thing
Bro.... India did not follow the path of pakistan and india remained Secular because Hindus wanted to be Secular,now Hindu's trying to be hindus u guys are labelling them fascists,if muslims were majority will minorty get same treatment????
I have a very simple question - Lets look at Pakistan and Bangladesh today and their religious fanaticism and talk about Muslim Ummah and Islamic bomb. Who has been proven right to predict Islamic behaviour? Gandhi or Savarkar?
@@Hararyoukoz3106mercy petitions to Gandhi Nehru ne bhi Diya tha and Jinnah ne kabhi nehi diya tha coz wo kabhi jail gaya hie nehi... Savarkar to Kalapani main 10 saal raha.. Pata hain Kalani pani ka jail kaise hota hain? Wo library or beds wala jail nehi tha
@Hararyoukoz3106 that was his smartest move of getting Hindus trained in modern warfare otherwise only Muslims and Sikhs would have had taken part as soldiers in a modern battlefield. Anyone accepting transfer of power from British to Indian and Pakistani accepted and acknowledged British as the defacto and legal ruler of the country. Unless and until someone has spent jail in Andaman in similar circumstances, one should shove his opinion up his arse.
Funny how Savarkar and his literature is known followed and known to.most Marathi intellectuals and many recent great books and movies on Savakar exist … don’t need Californian narrative :) amusing
ANCIENT INDIA, also known as BHARATVARSHA, encompassed a vast territory that has been reduced over time due to various invasions, empires, and colonialism. Here's a rough estimate of the territory lost: 1. Pakistan and Bangladesh: These countries were part of ancient India but were separated during the 1947 partition. 2. Afghanistan: Ancient India extended into present-day Afghanistan, but it was lost to Islamic invasions and later became a separate entity. 3. Tibet: Tibet was an integral part of ancient India, but it was annexed by China in the 18th century. 4. Nepal and Bhutan: These Himalayan kingdoms were once part of ancient India but gained independence over time. 5. Myanmar (Burma): Ancient India's territory extended into present-day Myanmar, but it was lost to the Burmese empire. 6. Sri Lanka: Although not physically connected, Sri Lanka was culturally and politically part of ancient India. 7. Parts of Central Asia: Ancient India's influence extended into present-day Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Xinjiang (China). The territory lost by ancient India is estimated to be around 20-25% of its original size. Here's a rough estimate of the original territory: - Ancient India: approximately 10 million square kilometers (3.9 million sq mi) - Present-day India: approximately 3.3 million square kilometers (1.3 million sq mi) Keep in mind that these estimates vary, and the concept of a fixed territory is complex in ancient times. Nonetheless, it's clear that ancient India's territory has been significantly reduced over the Centuries.
Given the obsession Pakistan have with India, the expertise Pakistan have on India is shocking ! Vocabulary is limited to Hindu, hindutva, rss and Savarkar.
I wish India had such level of podcasters . This is the best discussion I’ve seen on Savarkar. Thankyou shehzaad for this podcast.❤❤❤
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Move there it’s world 🌎 safest country
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@@Bittaadhami bhai har kisiko waha mat bheja kar . Or seriously tu khud hi soch . Yaha ke podcaster or media Savarkar ko aisa portray karte hain jaise woh koi terrorist ho . We need more such conversations where we can understand all aspects of such historic figures. Yaha ke podcaster politicians ka bhi interview karte hain toh aisa lagta hai jaise koi pr interview ho , na koi cross question, na koi fact check . Kejriwal ka hi interview dekhle raj shamani ke saath . Aisa lag rha hai jaise har sawal kerjirwal ne likhke diya ho.
Savarkar said radical muslims can never be loyal to the motherland.
His verdict was proved when muslims divided the nation.
Savarkar ji was a visionary he knew exactly the ground realities if he could be given a national level platform as in government after partition we have more transfer of population to Pakistan
Dear friend , it was not who said that muslims can't be loyal to the country, but it was Mananeeya Dr. Ambedkar ji.
@@srinivasarao7145 tell the professor with concrete fact personally I don't associate with her thoughts on the hindu identity part
Great man
@sarvendra14, What nation bro? There is no one nation living in South Asian sub continent. Sooner the better u wake up and come out of those emotional rants.
😂a islamic country which is neither democratic nor secular systematically did ethnic cleansing of its minorities especially hindhus talking about other countries lol . These people want democracy and secular when they are in minority and they want sharia and dictatorship when they are in majority.
Tumko unke jaisa bnna hai ? Do char states ko chod de to unke jaisa he haal hai apna bhi
@@vijaychandra91 TRUE ❤️
Agree with 100%. Hypocrisy at its worst.
The demand depends upon circumstances of the country
@@vijaychandra91 99.9% Paki-stani wants Pakistan a Isla-mic nation but all Pakist-ani want-s India a se-cular nation hypocrisy level 100%😂
She is librandu historian.. from University of California./..
Debunking her :-
1] The Chouhan rulers of the 11th century used the term "Aryan Vart" after driving out Muslims. 2] The Gupta and Maurya empires ruled from Afghanistan to Bengal.
all opinions are welcome in India!
@@goodsong_viewsnot anymore...thx for coming
@@Skyo.o The funny thing is we have equal rights to decide that too!
@@goodsong_views equal rights is a "lie"
@@Skyo.o sure
1:10:35 you're very wrong ma'am. It's a very very widely known fact that savarkar was against caste. That's what RSS and BJP also supports. RSS even trains people from the dalit samaj to become pandits 🤷
Well question is how genuine these positions against caste were???.. or was it about getting a large section of the Hindu population, especially dalits behind his political agenda... and then dump them when expedient
Like contrary to his previous anti caste positions.. in 1939, Savarkar assured that his party Hindu Mahasabha won't necessarily support entry of the dalits into temples. Savarkar said, "Thus the Party will not introduce or support compulsory Legislature regarding Temple Entry by the untouchables etc. in old temples beyond the limit to which the non-Hindus are allowed by custom as in force today."
Or to the Indian constitution were Ambedkar played an important role. Savarkar said" worst about the new constitution of Bharat is that there is nothing Bharatiya (Indian) about it. Manusmriti is that scripture which is most worship-able after Vedas for our Hindu Nation and which from ancient times has become the basis of our culture-customs, thought and practice. This book for centuries has codified the spiritual and divine march of our nation. Even today the rules which are followed by crores of Hindus in their lives and practice are based on Manusmriti."
Ambedkar, Chairman of the committee that drafted the Constitution of India, criticized Manusmriti as responsible for caste system in India.
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s - are madam. That’s what she is saying that Savarkar was severly against the caste.
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Well yes again question is how genuine that was as I pointed out... but then humans are very contradictory and there are many nuances...
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s tbf, Ambedkar's criticism on Manu smriti from scholarly pov is naive at best and stupid at worst. That text first and foremost isn't a shruti which simply means it isn't a central authoritative scripture (law code not even a scripture tbh) of Hinduism, second point is that it's been historically proven that this text was never implemented as a central law code by any of the major Hindu king ever in the history of India. The last and most important point is that, current version of Manu Smriti is highly corrupted, interpolated and self contradictory hence modern scholarship has discarded it's authenticity. Whilst, I understand the reasoning from where Ambedkar came to this decision of burning the text to make an appeal and unite the marginalized communities of India to agitate and revolt against oppressive system of caste, but his academic perspective about it's origination, religious sanctity etc. have been debunked long ago. On the other hand, before questioning Savarkar's intent on his abolition of casteism, you should actually check his Savarna food camp schemes he implemented at his time, where he would organize food camps consisting of people from all the castes lower to higher. Albeit, he does suffer from anti Muslim bigotry there's no denying it.
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s tbf, Ambedkar's criticism on Manu smriti from scholarly pov is naive at best and stupid at worst. That text first and foremost isn't a shruti which simply means it isn't a central authoritative scripture of Hinduism, second point is that it's been historically proven that this text was never implemented as a central law code by any of the major Hindu kings ever in the history of India. The last and most important point is that, current version of manu smriti is highly corrupted, interpolated and self contradictory hence modern scholarship has discarded it's authenticity. Whilst, I understand the reasoning from where Ambedkar came to this decision of burning the text to make an appeal and unite the marginalized communities of India to agitate and revolt against oppressive system of caste, but his academic perspective about it's origination, religious sanctity etc. have been debunked long ago. On the other hand, before questioning Savarkar's intent on his abolition of casteism, you should actually check his sarvarna food camp schemes he implemented at his time, where he would organise food camps consisting of people from all the castes lower to higher. Albeit, he does suffer from anti muslim bigotry there's no denying it.
A marathi is easily comfortable with Savarkar way of thinking...we are less comfortable with Nehru or Gandhi..... due to Maratha legacy......
No one is comfortable with Nehru Gandhi once you truly understand them
I am comfortable with Nehru thinking but gandhi.. I feel he is just delusional...
@@rajneeshsharma9049lol aise hi unko great bola jata hai na?
Aise note me unki photo hai.
Bhai age kya hai tumhari?
Kitna study kara hai tumne gandhi ko?
Savarkar ki death pe kitne log aye the or gandhi ke?
Gandhi ke statue kitne hai bhar or savarkar ke?
India ko gandhi or budhha ka land bola jata hai naki savarkar ka land.
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As far as I know more than half of the marathis call him Maafi veer. Because he apologized to British on multiple occasions
I have a deep mistrust of any Indian Historian that doesn’t know Sanskrit. Their biases and scholarship is a 2nd rate version of how the 19th century Europeans (particularly) viewed the natives.
Half truths, pandering to the west, 3rd rate scholarship constitutes the output of this crowd.
I have a deep mistrust of anyone who comments without watching the podcast
@ I did watch it and have read her book. Came away unimpressed.
Then you know she knows Sanskrit?
@@ThePakistanExperience I didn’t hear anything about her knowledge of Sanskrit in the podcast.
In her book “Two men …” you don’t get any idea of her knowledge of Sanskrit or a reading of Indian classical texts on Nat etc. either. Her entire thesis starts with William Jones ideas and observations. The entire book is based on a whimsical idea of an attempt to give respectability to Indian music as “classical”, doing comparative nonsense with the development of western classical music.
Then spinning the usual nonsense of Hindu vs Muslims and how the Hindus hijacked indian classical music. The broad generalizations are too much to digest.
@@ThePakistanExperience she literally said she asked some white guys at columbia to translate for her.
Proud of Savarkar, none of leaders match his stature, a realistic and proud leader of his times. Respect for him always from heart.
Who is talking about hindutva... Boy from islamic republic of Pakistan whose Constitution itself is pieces of shit , leave them these are jokers nothing else
Veer savarkar Amar rahe 💪🏼😌 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
None matches his level of tacit fascism and the intrinsic goal of ethnically cleansing all external people in India.
Savarkar used to think that muslim can never be faithful to this land, as a proof the 90 percent muslim voted for a separate country
Well, I would say savarkar was a visionary and his fear/prediction came true, didn't it?
Didn't his fear of muslim betraying the then mother land of 1947 come true?
Is it not a possibility again if they r pressed to choose between ummah Or nation state
Y did your heart pains for Palestinian? Would it hurt the same for something in Africa or europe?
Does it hurt the same when something happens to Christian or hindu in Pakistan?
If so would you say this if not all then for the majority of muslim in Pakistan
You're proving his(savarkar) ideology wrong.
@sumupp how?
@Shva927 Because he thought whole subcontinent as a hindu land. So the Muslims were migrating to same piece of land but towards Pakistan
@@sumupp your communication skills r pathetic
I didn't understand what u said
You people prove his ideology right all the time @@sumupp
Any conversation about Savarkar is incomplete without a detailed analysis of the Ratnagiri experiment.
Any examination of the Khilafat movement is incomplete without the mention of the Malabar Rebellion.
So called seculars won't talk about both
Because it hurts abrahamic alliance to downgrade pagans/old cultures.
Not malabar rabellion but moplah masscare of Hindus which Gandhi tried to cover up
What is so special about Ratnagiri Experiment? Instead of letting untouchables enter same temple, Savarkar built a separate temple for them and in fact isolated untouchables more. His love for untouchables was not to emancipate untouchables but just to use them pawna of hindutva.
@@nitin1947Instead of fighting the birth based discrimination, Ambedkar made a law that discriminates based on caste. He never wanted to dispel caste but was a sadist to the core who loved seeing poor UC kids suffer.
Dekha!! All it takes is you manipulate. Your hate for savarkar is so dense that you can't understand why he was against caste.
I Love Dalits getting owned everywhere. Lol!!
@@nitin1947 Bhai kuch bolne se pehle thoda padh to liya karo. The temple was built not only for untouchables but was open for all without any discrimination and Dalits were encouraged in participating in daily proceedings of temple.
Not like traitorous Muslim politics didn’t finally partitioned the country and confirmed all suspicions of Veer Savarkar.
You can only be a traitor to a nation state or a kingdom, the British Raj was neither and India as a singular entity probably never existed or even if it did it was so far back in the BC era that the concept of nationhood had been replaced by regionalism by the 20th century. Hence partition was all political in nature.
Rss existed before Muslim leaguy
U ppl were first to separate us, Pakistan was a need
If Pakistan would have not existed, wr would have been treated similar to indian muslims
@@lanoklom9697what a pathetic presentation of once intellect. Portion of india was based on two nation theory that Muslims cannot live with hindus because they were different. It was through nd through religious.
@@owaissherazAnd yet how many Muslims from India go to Pakistan? Food for thought.
@@owaissherazRSS formed in 1925, M League in 1906. But I support the partition, only total population exchange should have been done which Savarkar wanted. Then there would have been a lot peace in both nations, Pak would not have been partitioned in 1971 and lots of lives would have been saved. Neither the Hindus, nor the Muslims would have to suffer.
Answer to your question: Where did the concept of unified India come from? Did Savarkar invent it?
No, it is there in ancient Indian texts if one cares to read it. Below is the definition of Bharat in one of the Puranas:
The country (varṣam) that lies north of the ocean and south of the snowy mountains is called Bhāratam; there dwell the descendants of Bharata.
Thanks for the comment....I was going to comment it too.
So Sindh and Balochistan is not part of this mythical bharat.
@@muddi900 Sindh is, Balochistan is not. Look at relief map of Indian subcontinent - it's obvious what the contours of civilizational India is just by looking at the geography - the subcontinent is a flat plain surrounded by mountains all around the north and the ocean to the south. The shaktipeeths are there, all of our puranas mention the different regions, our ancient sages and gurus repeatedly talked of walking it from east to west and north to south, the vishnupuran defines its boundaries as do many other works.
It is only because Pakistanis are completely cut off from the native sanskrit and prakrit literature of the land that these duffers think that savarkar is 'dreaming up' the idea of India sitting in Maharashtra. And it is shameful that this so called columbia university professor isn't aware of these conceptions of bharat and did not throw them into shehzad's face.
Entire world is Bharat, Brahma created the world for hindus@@muddi900
@@muddi900It is not mythical, a land like that exists in reality
49:20 she explains gandhi POV for supporting Khliafat was humaare brothers hai, support honi chahiye. please explain to me what was Gandhi POV when he said "Hindus must not harbor hate against Muslims even if the later wants to k** them." or when he demanded for "street justice" against the writers of Rangeela Rasool. tab gandhi ko hindus humaare brothers nahi lage?
Where did you read about the "street Justice" against the writer of Rangila Rasool .... In government's website the Gandhi's entire article is given ....The only quote I found was " One dastardly act of a Muslim has set the Hindus against Mahommedans. As a Hindu, I pray you do not have any bad feelings towards Muslim. By murdering him he, the man who did it, has neither benefitted himself nor Islam"
@@SagnikSanyal88 whenever reading from a govt website a lot of controversial text is whitewashed. Let us forget anything about Rangila Rasool. Tell me did gandhi not say Hindus must not harbor hate against Muslims even if the latter wants to k** us all. is that bhaichara?
@@SagnikSanyal88 yt keeps deleting my response
@@SagnikSanyal88 forget RR, did he not say the first line i mentioned. (ive to write like this else idk why yt is removing my response)
@@harshitgarg3436 ok...then it's your opinion... Problem is that everyone has an opinion my friend
Don't forget what happened in the Khilafat movement- the Muslim mod slaughtered over 20,000 Hindus which Gandhi wanted to hide.
This is how to understand the spectrum of political and ideological alignment in Pakistan and India. Ultra-nationalist or highly controversial religious leaders in India are equivalent to centrist figures or those at Imran Khan’s level in Pakistan. Similarly, the most ultra-left, modern liberals, or woke individuals in Pakistan are equivalent to centrists or semi-right-wing figures in India.
There is no equivalent of India’s left wing in Pakistan, just as India lacks an equivalent of Pakistan’s right wing. In India, we will never see a Pakistani leftist or woke figure openly criticizing Islam or speaking for minorities, especially for religions like paganism or idol worship, in the way India’s left speaks about Hinduism or its minorities.
In Pakistan, even the most ultra-left or liberal figures are equivalent to the RSS in India. This shows how the political spectrum differs significantly between the two countries. The left in Pakistan tends to play it safe by avoiding criticism of Islam, whereas India’s left engages in self-reflection or even self-criticism
you have very beautifully summed up the situation. Kudos
Wat u conveniently ignored is the fact k Muslims r sizeable minority whereas in Pakistan there Muslims and negligible other minorities still shezad ghuas, muzamil, hoodboy speak yp for hindus,,
Secondly RSS is definitely something which is more extreme and calls for open genocide of Muslims
Btw wat have u given to muslims
Tell me about the representation of muslims in burocracy, army or parliament with respect to their population
Whereas in Pakistan although treatment isn't wat should be but we have kota seats for themand they do get their due representation
Very well said.
@@owaissheraz "RSS is definitely something which is more extreme and calls for open genocide of Muslims"........utter lie. Listen to the speeches of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat. Dont confuse random hate spewing youtube edgelord with actual rss members.
"Tell me about the representation of muslims in burocracy, army or parliament with respect to their population "..........Public exams are open for all. There is no discrimination on basis of religion. If some Muslims choose to live in ghettos and go to Madrasas instead of actual schools, how is this Hindu's fault?
You're saying that Muslims in India are having a bad time. Firstly, everyone in India is having a bad time, sinvce its a third world country. But if Muslims are specially being targeted, why aren't they fleeing to Pakistan? I know Muslims who hate BJP, and Muslims who're ok with BJP. But none of them ever expressed any intention of leaving BJP ruled India.
You speak of quotas. But are non Muslims allowed to become president or prime minister of Pakistan? India has had Sikh prime minister and Muslim, Sikh and Christian presidents. Is that possible in Pakistan?
@@owaissheraz RSS doesn't call for open genocide of Muslims. RSS calls for uniform civil code. Islamic scripture calls for open genocide of non believers. Islamic sharia calls for second class citizenship for non-muslims.
if you are a pakistani you should not have concern with hindutwa or hindu rashtra as you are already living in islamic nation. Who agrees
D R R
You can if you Disagree with both.
Yes 😆
You are commmenting on Pakistani RUclips Channel and telling Pakistani what to do and what not to do. LOL
Why don't you keep yourself to your own indian youtubers first.
Crores of Muslims live in India.
Not a fan of Savarkar or gandhi but never forget that Savarkar,s brother and the people of his caste the chitpawan brahmins were lynched to death by Congress workers after the assassination of Gandhi and the congressis did same with Sikhs after assassination of Indira Gandhi
Yes and they shame people talk about humanity😒dusaro ko andhbhakt kah dete h lekin Ghandhi ke upar congress ke upar koi sawaal puche to inhe mirchi lagti ha.
Us time 5000 bharhmano ka mara gaya tha us time ki gov ne indian news per ye chij aane tak nahi di lekin world ke dusre news paper me ye news chhapi thi
Savarkar was a true rationalist and realist and thats why he saw through the danger of Islam unlike the Idealistic idiot Gandhi who blindly trusted them without trying to understand them. And yes one can say savarkar was not an atheist as he had vast knowledge of the original Hindu theology which became polluted overtime with many problems like varna system became caste, untouchability, loads of superstitions, hyperritualism, subjugation of women etc. And understand this too colonialism of India started after Isalmic invasion so Islamic rulers and britishers are both colonizers of India and we will decolonize India.
Was nothing more than British bootlicker and a good slave for British
@@amish2394 I know you dont have slightest knowledge of history but if you have come till here than atleast watch above podcast may be your peanut brain will grow a bit.
@@sujeetsingh9032 Gandhi ji might have trusted Islam blindly but Savarkar stayed blind through out his life, he didn’t understand Sanatani and didn’t have a clue about Islam.
If I am not mistaking, Second Caliphate of Islam said that “ the oldest civilisation of India will not be able to avoid the benefits of Islam, sooner or later “ along with a few other things that is now accepted with open arms in India is, daughter’s share in property and divorce, which never existed and practiced in India, until the arrival of Islamic teachings.
@@shames-ulhaq4296 most of the women like rani laxmibai is fight Islam and muslim 😂😂😂😂
@@shames-ulhaq4296Non sense. Islam was there in India for a long time. For most part Hindu brides were bought with “bride money”. Bridegroom dowry is more recent after British govt jobs became prestigious. Islam never gave equal share to women. Hindu adoption of equal share to girls is more due to a modern outlook than due to religion. Our Hindu culture is like a river, it adapts to the terrain and time.
Mahatma Gandhi
On April 6, 1947, Mr. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi said-- "If Muslims want to kill us (Hindus), we must face death bravely. Hindus should not harbor anger in their hearts against Muslims even if the latter wanted to destroy them. If they established their rule after killing Hindus we would be ushering in a new world by sacrificing our (Hindu) lives". In 1919 Gandhi also joined the Islamic Khilafat movement which was started by Muslims to protect the Islamic Caliph and save Islam when Ottoman Turkey got defeated by the British.
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Yeah... I doubt anyone here will address this point. Doesn't suit their narrative.
Can I get a reference on this pls? Would like to go in depth on this one.
@@77sriganesh Gandhi heritage Portal..
सावरकर माने तेज,
सावरकर माने त्याग,
सावरकर माने तप,
सावरकर माने तत्व,
सावरकर माने तर्क,
सावरकर माने तारुण्य,
सावरकर माने तीर,
सावरकर माने तलवार.
@@navneetparmar3084 aap pakistani hindu ho kya?
@@navneetparmar3084 me marathi hu muze malum he sab. Tum tumhari duniya me khus
raho.
Lagta hai baap ko bhul gya hai@@navneetparmar3084
@@navneetparmar3084 tum Kitna jante ho hame pata h 😂😂😂
@@navneetparmar3084 apni baat kr raha he.....
getting a marxist scholar to talk about hindutva.. perfect way to stay in the echo chamber!! maybe get a person like j sai deepak or anand ranganathan , vikram sampath.. if you actually wanna know about savarkar and hindutva without all the marxist bias
J Sai Deepak lol
@@muddi900wo tumhe achchha nahi lagega kyonki khul kar sach bolta hai. Sachchai kadvi hoti hai.
@@muddi900md popat lol
I should get someone rather than the person whose work they plagiarized from?
@@desidoggutigersingh1039 bhai peeinghuman ki bar achi video hai bhai par.
1:03:40 he DID NOT "Fabricated" the said imperialism ma'am, it already existed from century. here again at 1:04:26 you said that the term Aryavart is not historically not proven, please read the subcon's history, get that mind out fiflthy mogul period indian subcontinent ALWAYS had hindu past, it was never erased. also please stop using the term like "south asia" its INDIAN SUBCONTINENT
Islamic republic discussing:- Why do Hindu going towards Hindutva??😂😂😂😂.....
Hope you focus on , How to save pakistan from finical crisis. 😂😂😂
Ha sahi hai 😂 bethe Bethe india or hindutva ke upar discussion karo or fir bhik mangane IMF ke pass Jao.fully fantastic life 🤩
Hahaha sahi hai 😂bethe bethe india or hindutva ke upar discussion karo aur fir IMF ke pass Jao fantastic Life 🤩
Bangladesh muslim majority 1947 non muslim 30% Today 8%
While muslmaan reach 7% to 18% in Hindustan
الحمدللہ
How’s this related to this pod ? Aise to main bhi keh du k Trump dunya ki farega. Koi Matlab hai is video mein?
@AmrinderSinghHundal this is related to Pakistan and Bangladesh because they reduced minority while in India they reach 7% to 18%
@@AmrinderSinghHundal how veer savarkar related to Pakistani 😂? How Hindu rastra related to Pakistan?can this podcast make sense in Pakistan?
The British attempted to erase the memory of the 1857 revolt. It was Savarkar and other Hindu nationalists who retrieved documents to help Indians learn about the revolt. I recommend "Revolutionary" book by Sanjeev Sandyal know more for our revolutionary.
😂😂😂Sanjeev sanyal the fake history creator, the memory of 1857 was very much alive with ghadar party, savarkar was busy in licking British boots
That's not true at all my friend @@amish2394
@amish2394 libradu or nile kabutaro ke dukh ki Amazon pr book ki rating sabse high hai.. Sanjeev Sandyal are relative of Satindra nath Sandyal closest of Arvind Ghosh and rasbihari bose real Freedom Fighter not like Motilal Nehru and Jinnah boost sucker of British 🤫🤫
@@amish2394 how dumb can you be?!😂
@@amish2394
Gadar party agreed with savarkar more than Gandhi. party members actually talked with savarkar.
1:02:00
The right answer which your guest maybe forgot is that The inspiration of Akhand Bharat in Savarkar comes from Maratha Empire/ Chatrapati Shivaji maharaj who gave the Idea of Hindvi Swaraj (Hindu Self rule) which actually became reality for a short time before British defeated them. So it's not his Invention nor an Imagination. India as a concept existed from atleast 2,300 years when Alexander comes and describes both Poru from Punjab and Nanda from Bihar both as Indian, when Romans traded with Kerela they described them as Indian, 7th century Indian Literature describes Bharat as an entity from Himalayas to Southern ocean.
I am actually disappointed how can a historian talk about savarkar and doesn't talk about Shivaji Maharaj who's teachings obviously had enormous influence on him.(both are Marathi and from Same region.)
Just because we are talking about Savarkar and modern History, Ancient and Mediaeval history along with Religious text don't just disappear coz they certainly didn't for Savarkar.
Vikram sampath broke all the lies against Savarkar with fact and proof
Do u find any hindu terrarist, but why all terrarisit are Muslims, Pakistan should not teach on religion especially to india, Savarkar is not PM or his ideology in place, indian Constitution is working,
@@SouthindianNarendra goa stana sanstha, killer of Gauri lamkshesh, Kalburgi, killer of Gandhi and last but not least LLT PRABHAKARAN
But they are ceo ar-ound the wo-rld
@@Hararyoukoz3106Parabakaran converted to Christian, however, he fought for the Tamil land irrespective of faiths...
Gauri Lankesh, Gandhi's hit men were individuals who took out their own people due to differences of opinion and ur association of them to global religiously motivated othering of people who don't bow down towards mecca is simply a propaganda
Nice to know Velupillai Prabhakaran and LTTE members were Jews 😂but alas jis bande ko Terr**ist ke spelling nahi aate usse kya hi history aur nuances expect kar rha hoon also it's "India" and "Indian Constitution" pehle desho ke naam likhna seekhle gawar
I have visited cellular jail in Andaman. The story of torture there is enough to turn any man insane. there is a long list of prisoners who died there in torture.
But only one became the British servant that's savarkar
@@amish2394well that's not true.. but whatever suits you. I'd suggest reading some more books on him and his family.
Yes, like lover of lady Mountbatten,gandhi who also wrote letters to Britishers for bail. 😂😂@@amish2394
@@anilkumar-fk8fc books published from RSS shakha?
@@amish2394 He was'nt a Bihari though so he would'nt be a servant....😂
Khilafat movement in my opinion was the turning point for many nationalist including Savarkar for change in the thought and attitude towards Muslims.
55:42 - SAVARKAR View on CASTE doesn't get MENTION & APPRECIATION 😔😔
What he get is HATE & CRITICISM 💔💔
India hates itself, its people hate each other. You're talking about one man, perhaps some self-reflection in your culture is needed.
41:36 veer savarkar is right still Ind-ia-n m-usl-ims love paki and Bangladesh but they hate Indian friend Israel
Harry Potter and the prisoner of Andaman.
@@bhakt8247LIKE NEHRU 😂😂
@@bhakt8247 Israel says Hiii
If Savarkar and Gandhi both were dangerous then where are british records mentioning Gandhi as D category because Savarkar surely got this badge of Honor on his prison documents
BTW did she say that Sawarkar himself was a Brahmin but not an orthodox.
He was a progressive person 😊
podcast dekh le
Bro Adam Seeker and Sahil deserves a podcast
Nahi bula sakta. A gypocrite leftist and islamist is doing propaganda.
Use kabhi nahi layega ye😂
Her genuine source is Trust me bro.
Because of the funding she receives, she has to do what she does.
Jinnah didn't even write an essay, no wonder the identity crisis.
Some one tell this learned lady that NASTIK doen't mean ATHEIST, it means DISBELIEF in the vedas - you dont have to have written books and be an intellectual to know that.
Absolutely western Atheist ≠ Nastik. This Librandus can't understand the Hindu living and are writing books 😂😂😂
It was not only Savarkar who questioned legitimacy of Khilafat but also Ambedkar. The reason why Khilafat raised questions of divided loyalty for Savarkar and Ambedkar was not just about what was happening in Ottomon but what actually happened at Moplah in today's Kerala.
and y was Ratnagiri missed in conversation?
If you wish to understand modern Indian nationalism, you should call Anand Ranganathan, J Sai Deepak or Vikram Sampath on your podcast.
@@kantvx we are happy to see them at godi, adani tv ,we don't garbage in RUclips
@@Hararyoukoz3106 scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. bina sune bass godi media bol do. koi ek baat toh bta jo anand ne galat boli
41:36 veer savarkar is right still Ind-ia-n m-usl-ims love paki and Bangladesh but they hate Indian friend Israel
@@harshitgarg3436 2000 ke note or nano chip bata de , dollar jab 86 hojaye chup rhe etc . Usko godi nahi to 4 pillar bolu
@@Hararyoukoz3106 ye baat anand ne boli? aur 2000 ke note mei chip batake godi media kaise hogya? they thought aisa kuch hoga but nahi hua. regardless media ne galat assumptions maare isme anand, j sai ya vikram ki kya galti hai?😂
Muslims were called Mleecha Vansha during Shivaji Maharaj period and in even 10th century
Beacuse they eat cow meat
46:07 - He NEVER EVER said Muslims are OUTSIDER & ATTACKERS. He only consider EVERY ONE on the other side of Indus as HINDU - By IDENTIFY (NOT by Religion) for FREEDOM & NATIONALISM ❤
But your people constantly say this, so why make this point from a self-righteous position? You're not sitting on a high horse.
@lanoklom9697 thanks for revealing your Religion. Now I understand your PAIN 😂😂
@@lanoklom9697 Muslims are outsiders ishme koie doubt nahi hey
@@lanoklom9697 how is stating a fact a taking a self righteous postion while sitting on a high horse.
Either come out with proof to say you are wrong, he did say so.
Simply shut up.
Is shivam giving a sermon? Or talking about his own philosophy? Or giving you life advice?
Just stating plain facts.
Disprove it or support it.
What is this veiled attempt at discrediting a comment which is a rebuttal?
But why did he align with pro partition Muslim league and even supported 2 nation theory?
Only one question, is Pakistani’s held Pakistan nation first or islam first ? , answer will give you why savaakar never think muslim cant be patriotic
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My Only question is if British thought that Savarkar can be a Usefull tool agajnst Gandhi then why give him 4 year of extra prison term in Ratnagiri after 10 years of cellular jail from 1910-1921 and then 13 years of House arrest/keeping him inside the boundaries of Ratnagiri city. Why not parade him all over India and use his full potential. Rather than banning him from all political activities
Marxist historians have coined new narrative against savarkar. It's more nuanced and slight demonisation. One thing is constant. They keep lying and keep changing history to suit their new narratives
The lady says 'Savarkar and Gandhi are on a spectrum, both of them equally dangerous'. That is completely inaccurate. All one has to do is compare Gandhi's jail surroundings vs the jail VDS was put in.
Shehzad go and read about Moplah
Savarkar and others saw the duplicity of Muslims - Khilafat and Moplah and Deobandis and Barehlvis .. therefore why would anyone believe them anywhere in the world
Gandhi should have been stopped long before … he was don’t want to even waste words on that man
At 1.04.00 is she implying that the idea of an Indian nation doesn't have ancient pre-colonial, pre-Islamic basis...it's quite clear that there is a cultural continuity from Gandhara in Afghanistan to South East Asia. And every major king of India was very clear what is it that they consider part of India and hence they tried to conquer it. This is the basis of Maurya imperialism to Gupta or even Harsha or Rashtrakuta to even Khilji and later Mughal imperialism. When Megasthenes talked about an India, India may not have been mapped out but he was clear of which land he was talking about. I mean, the word "Hindu" or "India" is itself over 2000 years old. What ridiculousness is this that we have to explain this to a Harvard or Oxford scholar!
@ks20234
Well, there is a difference between a NATION and a region having somewhat an overarching civilisational framework. As to political entities only under the British Raj was the subcontinent under one power, this wasn't the case under previous rulers. Even under Asoka the south wasn't in his empire. So for most of the indian written history, it was ruled at the same time by many, many different smaller kingdoms who were often at odds (not always) with each other.
@user-rh5jp2sh4s I disagree, the Mauryan empire was much more centralized, and powerful during the first 3 rulers than the British empire. If you read the Artha shastra, based on which we believe that the Mauryan polity was largely based, it depicted a very centrally strong empire. On the other hand - more than one third of the British Raj was under the Princely states who had full autonomy to govern their states, except for defence, external affairs, communication which the British controlled. So British were not governing on a day to day basis these states.
India as a Nation- Bharatvarsh was always in mind of Marathas.... especially ChitPawan Brahamins......
---Uday S Kulkarni (historian)
Ex Muslim sahil ❤❤❤❤
Adam seeker zindabad
Periyar Zindabad@@pradhyudh
41:36 veer savarkar is right still Ind-ia-n m-usl-ims love paki and Bangladesh but they hate Indian friend Israel
Ex Hindu Aamir Haq😂
@@pradhyudhAndhbhakton ka naya baap Adam joker zindabad
Finished watching the entire podcast in one go, woof, i didn't think i would say this but this was a really really good one. I love that she has not tried to "label" savarkar anything and present him as he was. From now onwards i also hope that shehzad won't also make the repetitive mistake of equating RSS or Hindutva with fascism. They're veryy veryy different things.
Thanks. What happened a century ago and what is happening today are also very very different things
@@ThePakistanExperience but doesn't that mean you're hurting a section of society who still beleive in Hindutva for what it was by comparing it to fascism when it is still not even close to it if you go by the current defenition of hindutva? 🤷
@@ThePakistanExperience and with this logic, it shouldn't also be wrong for people to use "jihad" negatively keeping in mind what's happening today and rejecting what jihad truly stands for?
@@ThePakistanExperienceruclips.net/video/tdurx0pxZUE/видео.htmlsi=GIzBzESoxzBUWun1
@@kanika0846 it is a very confusing picture, Dr. Janaki Bakhle clearly says that in savarkar’s India Muslims will be minority, clearly meaning a “second class” minority, if Savarkar was alive today, like his cronies he will be promoting “ghar wapsi” as his hindutva prerogative.
Great discussion Shehzad. I have read his material in Marathi and also his speeches along with the recently published book. She is approaching Savarkar with leftist mind. I don’t agree with her assertion that he invented Aryavarta etc. she understands that the guy was versed in Hindu religion as well as very well read.
Savarkar and strangely Jinnah were protege of Mr BG. Tilak. She ignores influence of Chatrapti Shivaji Maharaj who established Hindavi Swarajya in defiance of Aurangzeb of Maharashtra who had huge influence on him.
Hope her well.
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Only Marathis can understand हिंदुत्व ..
Not to trust these islamists and leftists. First they engaged indian audiences, now they are running a propaganda war. Someone from India must do something about it.
@@ThePakistanExperiencei dont think you have read anything Savarkar wrote. Thats clear from the podcast. Such a lacklusture podcast is not expected from this channel.
Read about ambedkar views on Muslims and gandhi in his autobiography . Uh will find SAVARKAR very logical then ...and as a great patriot. Gandhi was a joker🤡
Uh can also read vikram Sampath about savarkar
Veer savarkar is my hero ❤
I agree veer savarkar hindutva ideology
42: Difference between JEWS PARSIS CHRISTIAN and MUSLIMS is for others COUNTRY FIRST RELIGION SECOND and for MUSLIMS ISLAM FIRST COUNTRY SECOND.
We in Maharashtra called Savarkar SWATANTRYA VEER.
Both Converted Muslims......... Huge respect for orignal Muslims
POV : We ALWAYS finds those, who supports our NARRATIVE & BELIEF 😂
She's educated, well-versed and eloquently presenting her arguments.
You're writing one-liners in the comment section.
Never seen a single Hindutva be even half as educated or eloquent.
So the emoji fits perfectly for you 🤡
@lanoklom9697 Looks like someone got Hurt 💔💔
@@lanoklom9697 because you dont feel anyone being educated when they have a different opinion. you would call a cat intellectual if she meows in your preferred way.
@@shivampatil23 The only thing that gets hurt is the image of Indians after people like you leave their "intelligent" comments under content.
So when he speaks up against Pakistani ppl, which narrative is he supporting
U ppl can't handle a bit of deviation from ur own preassumed notions..... Why do u even bother listening
Savarkar was right Afghanistan, Pakistani, Bangladesh are muslims country. Half IND what we have now has almost 30 crores muslim if we don't do something we will lose more lands
Savarkar was a visionary who anticipated the trajectory India was heading towards. He recognized the significant threat posed by the underrepresentation of Hindus in the armed forces. While Congress and Gandhi encouraged Indians to join the Non-Cooperation Movement and abstain from supporting the military effort against the Germans, Savarkar urged Hindus to enlist and contribute to the war effort. This decision arguably played a crucial role in ensuring that the Indian Army was not entirely ceded to Pakistan. Meanwhile, as Gandhi and Nehru were imprisoned in relatively comfortable conditions during the Non-Cooperation Movement, the British engaged with Jinnah, promised him Pakistan, and ultimately fulfilled that promise. It is now up to the people to reflect and decide who was right and who was wrong.
Who is she? I bet, she isn't a Pakistani. Her narration based on her research seems quite objective.. She isn't demonizing, or glorifying the men she is talking about. I don't wanna sound opinionated, but Pakistani historians don't talk like this. Vikram Sampat is the guy who opened a new perspective about Savarkar...
Same thoughts 😂 I've never seen Pakistani historians or professors talk this way but then I saw her name "Dr. Janaki Bakhle"
Don't want to be opinionated... yet I am🙃 well if it makes you feel better...
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s har comment ke neeche nahi rona
@@kanika0846
Referring to yourself? 🙃
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s bola na mt ro 😂
Savrakar's ideology of Hindutava was to counter of Islamic extremism of 1920's during Khilafat days. Everyone has right to defend the people of it's faith ,he wants to militarise the Hindus but he didn't believe in some pious Puranik practices like caste Discrimination and sanctity of cow etc,so HIS Hindutava is different from the so called Sanatana faith,whatever been said in podcast is constructed narrative of the author, she's herself affected by colonial trap of falsehood about the Hindutava icons like Savrakar.
Load of nonsense 😂😂😂😂 did she just say that india Vedic Buddhists hindu culture never travelled to Indonesia under the cholas or that ancient India never traded when evidence is there by British historians , archaeologists lollll
@@keeya_ks
Time stamp?
LEftist and islamists nexus at work. Trying to start a propaganda war.
Hands down! This is one of the best podcasts I’ve listened to on Savarkar. Outside of the most progressive & wealthiest state of Maharashtra, he doesn’t get his due recognition. It’s interesting to see how the most progressive people consider him as their hero while the so called Hindi belt people are afraid to own him.
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These are historians who dont know sanskrit, dont know persian, nor arabic, nor any local indian language and write Indian History or about Indian heros.
So much stupidity in the market.
There are commenters who comment without watching.
So much stupidity in the market
@ThePakistanExperience, see the bias she has for her supid communist mentor, for Savarkar, for Gandhi Nehru. The title itself mentions fascist. What is this? Is it a writing from Gandhian communist view?
I have seen every bit of your podcast but found only hate that drove her work.
Have any Indian heros that you daily mention suffered from Kalapani jail? No, but ours Savarkar suffered.
How easily she says British used Savarkar against Gandhi. But it was Gandhi who enjoyed all the powers and immunity from the Raj. He never suffered like Tilak, Savarkar, Lajpat Rai, Bhagat Singh for any of his acts.
What she says that she dive into the mindset of Savarkar, such stupid writers who are anti-Savarkar, anti-Hindutva are writing to demean the works of Savarkar.
These people are called JNUchhaap in India. Everyone of them fails in any debate.
These are the Brown Sahibs that we always mentions. Be free from them.
I see you as a ignorant communist. I love you for the ignorance you have.
Talking about Savarkar without Vikram Sampath is like talking about Gandhi without Guha.
Dude if your ego isnt serving you too good, just reach out to Vikram. He owned Tharoor live in debate. Maybe your audience will see who Savarkar really was.
1:06:34 isnt hindu term also used by british to differentiate sikh, jain, buddhist etc from abrahamics religion ?
Hindustan was firstime coined by Aurangzeb as an identity for Indian subcontinent. Savarkar was a rationalist Hindu he said similar things every one living in Subcontintent is Hindu and Madamji even don't know it was fascist Jinnah who created a nation on the basis of religion and Dr Ambedkar,Savarkar slammed Gandhi for agreeing.
Shehzad, you should also try and do a podcast with Vikram Sampath who has written a voluminous book on Veer Savarkar. It is not a hagiography, as some may believe it to be. While Dr Janaki Bakhle's perspective on Veer Savarkar, Gandhi and others is fairly objective and provides great insights, it would be interesting to do a second edition on Veer Savarkar with Vikram Sampath to get another critical perspective on the same individual. His book on Veer Savarkar is very well researched and provides a lot of additional insights into Savarkar's life and his ideas. In the same breath, would also request for a podcast with William Dalrymple on his latest book, 'The Golden Road'. Brilliant book and provides fresh perspectives on the maritime trade links between ancient India and Rome and the extent of it. While some of us are aware of the contributions made by Aryabhatta, Sushruta, Brahmagupta and others, most people in the region are not. Geographically, they all resided in present day Pakistan. From mathematics to astronomy to medicine, the ideas that originated in this region and how they transformed the world. Perhaps lost to the people in Pakistan due to a convoluted perspective about their origins. And you have touched upon that challenge through various podcasts. William Dalrymple's book also talks about how the region was connected through a culture of diversity where multiple beliefs and ideas coexisted. Would be interesting to talk to William and am sure would be quite an illuminating one for the Pakistani audience as well.
The lady says she was surprised to know Savarkar was a poet! That he was caste agnostic!! What?? This is a well known fact. Now one more secret for this lady. Hey lady - he also said there was no harm in consuming beef.
Savarkar’s marathi poetry is a treasure for Marathi literature especially “Sagara Pran Talamalala” and “Jayostute”..
Pakistan tum bna le gye Islam k liye apni civilizational Identity ko side kar k but blame Savarkar ko karte ho ki usne British k divide and rule agenda ko further push kiya hindutva k agenda me.Read J Sai Deepak's two books on Colonialism of India."India that is bharat,coloniality civilization and constitution" and "India Bharat and Pakistan, Constitutional journey of sandwiched civilization"
Wo uske opinions hai alternate realities pe based hai kbhi book pdhi bhi hai ya bas copy paste kr rha ? savarkar koi freedom fighter nhi tha usne kbhi angrejo ko oppose nhi kiya na usme kbhi independence demand kri ek do baar dominion status manga hai usne aur phir maafi mang ke chup ho gya aur atleast usne apni juban rkhi jail se bhik mangke bahr aane ke baad usne kbhi goro ko oppose nhi kiya na kisi movement me part liya , jab wo khud chup ho gya to tum kis muhh se chilate rehte ho
@@navneetparmar3084 abe kahan se itihaas padh ke aaya hai.... Lgta he tu kabhi jindagi me school nhi gya.
Savarkar ne kuch nhi kiya isi liye kalaa paani ki saja kaat raha tha.
Pata nhi kahan-kahan se jahil aa jate hen.
@@mohitkulashri2902 isiliye to tu kuch quote na kr paya 😂 tere dimag pe jyada pressure na pde isiliye sirf ek chiz de rha hindu mahasabha aur muslim league ne milke coalition govt bnayi congress ke khilaf ye pdke aa phir aur btaunga bete , tumlogo ka dimag kb me data store krta hai jyada dunga to hang ho jaega
@@navneetparmar3084 han bhai han... Savarkar ne kuch nhi kiya isi liye kalaa paani ki saja kaat raha tha.
Ab khush....
Pata nhi kahan-kahan se jahil aa jate hen.
Aryavarta is mentioned in ancient Indian texts. So is rashtra. Read about Aurobindo gosh and Vivekananda idea of cultural nation diff from political nation that is western nation state. India is a civilisational nation not a nation state.
As per the host, Savarkar was also as progressive and secular but wanted all Muslims to pledge their allegiance to the Indian state first before accepting them. However, Gandhi thought that those Muslims who put religion above state, would change their hearts, if we show love and affection even when they hostile towards Hindus. People could argue fiercely for both but both wanted the same outcome! I have seen today that RSS still have no issue with Muslim or any other religion as long as they are loyal to India!
Podcast watchers, just an input, any reference to De. Vikram Sampath's book ?
Saraswati River is not a mythical river its the mother of Hindu Civilization for past 20,000 years of our Itihas much before Vedas were composed, it dried 4,000 years back but still alive in Hindus Consciousness.
Goddess Saraswati is worshipped as Goddess of Knowledge.
Savarkar and his work …. Has not been promoted because leftist secular cabal likes of JNU etc suppressed it
All know his power as a Poet and all marathi people know his power even kids know his poems and a whole generation … Nehru even set people to follow him
People were scared of him cause he spoke the truth
In 1906 first Muslim league was formed, then many years after in 1925 RSS was formed.
1:06:02 bro you will define what hindu is ???? And there is nothing mean of it ???
Urdu mai likh do bhai kya kehna chah rahay ho
@@ThePakistanExperiencehe wanted to say a dictatorship and $slamic country have no right to talk about other countries democracy and secularism.
41:36 veer savarkar is right still Ind-ia-n m-usl-ims love paki and Bangladesh but they hate Indian friend Israel
@@ThePakistanExperience sir ap apna history nhi jante or vir savrkar par baat karte ho 😊
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Good nuanced discussion...
But Shahzad, I must say, judging by the comment section... the RSS/BJP IT cell, seem to be one of your most loyal viewers...😉🤣😂
They seem to go in overdrive mode only minutes after you release the video
Savarkar ji ne kaha jo hind se pyar karte hain wonsab hindu hain hindu not a religion hindu is geographical identity hain
Kab kha kisko kha ? kuch bhi
Or native religion peoples is-laam is for-ner eleme-nt to India
@@navneetparmar3084 left valo ki videos dekh kar nahi pata calega bro aakhe kholo our vikram sampat ki book pado.
Instead of trying to find faults at hindus n hindutva... Try n pointing finger to drawbacks in u r religion and islamist... Which u cant because u will disappear 😂
Hindu is a synonym for dharma. We never had religion. One is a scientific seeking of truth/ knowledge and liberation and the latter is a belief system
For people who get it, 58:30 was an intellectual jhapad to the likes of Shehzad and other liberandus of Pak who all hold a view regarding RSS/Hindutva/Savarkar and justify their delusions.
Didn't expect this from an erudite historian scholar when at 53.28 she says that Hindus are 84%. This is a wrong fact as this was only after partition, in the nation of India. During the Khilafat movement in 1920s, in undivided India, the proportion of Hindus was 65%, while Muslims were 30%. So the extent of Hindu majority is being exaggerated. Also the Muslims even if 10-15% have no fear of attacking and persecuting Hindus, while Hindus generally divided along caste lines rarely if ever unite..this is the divide that the sickular politicians of India exploit till today - to consolidate the Muslim vote by cynical appeasement and to dividing Hindu vote around caste and ethnic lines and denigrating Hinduism. So what Savarkar feared a 100 years back those conditions exist even in today's India which is despite overwhelming Hindu majority.
I liked how you can point hardliners in islam and hinduism but after seeing your support for radical islamist of palestine,hamas and how you literally sort of forgot hostages. Again no one denying thousands of childrens and womens were killed. But i dont know maybe to appease pakistani audience who just turn blind when it comes to israel and their natural hate for jews even at the cost of supporting terrorist you got loaded and took their sides.
You’re commenting on things you understand nothing about
@@ThePakistanExperiencewell it's hilarious when we see muslim pointing out isreal about the killing and Palestine or even Rohingaya or kashmir .. While the same won't say a word about the virtual annihilation by killing forced migration of non Muslim communities in islamic countries. Where the native population is refused to below 5% in some places below 1% like afghanistan Pakistan Indonesia even all meddle east. Jews in Muslim countries are in 3/4 digit..
If you want to respect the respect of others , the reality is Muslim treat their minorities like shit.. and they are real xenophobes.. and it's not just limited to specific country
@ThePakistanExperience I understand and particularly if seeing middle east. Have been following for more than 5 years continuously reading all sorts of articles from the diplomats,BBC,NYT,Reuters(mainly). Read books, watched podcast too. So from this I can say I am not foreign to these matters. With following these things I know substantial if not completely
Hate for Jews is not Natural in Islam or Muslims , Its been copypasted from Christian and European Books from 1800s and 1900s and enforced into the minds.
Your Right on the Hostages but you forget that there is tens of thousands of Palestinians in Israeli Prisons aswell , Hamas kidnapps Israels to trade them for Palestinians Imprisoned which gives them a boost in Popularity for freeing People who would never be freed irl.
Since Ghias is Leftist , He supports PFLP or DFLP rather then Hamas. Hatred for Jews is Kinda False considering that Islamic World and Eastern Europe under Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth were the only safe areas for Jews to live between 1200-1900 till PLC was parititioned and Zionism came up.
Same as u, u are also doing podcast on topics about which u have 0 knowledge so others can also talk about things which they don't know. There is no difference between him and u@@ThePakistanExperience
Beautiful movie. Inspiring and patriotic. Loved hooda in the role. Jai bharat, vande mataram ❤
Anyone who has really read about savarkar and has no agenda will have mad respect for savarkar...hes the og of freedom fighters and hindutva...gandhi jinnah nehru were politician's .. youngsters dont read so watch randeep hoodas film...
That was brilliant work, extraordinary podcast.
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The Territory of Bhāratāvārsha had been Explicilty defined in Puranas....From the Snowy Himalayan Mountains to the Sea in the down, there is a Landmass called as Bhāratāvarsha.....It's funny how She even don't know the Basics.
तुमच्या तोंडून मराठी ऐकून खूप छान वाटले. धन्यवाद.❤
To be honest, she is extremely verbose. All sound and words. Her messages/ content gets lost. People from Humanities are usually like that, fancy words, pause and meagre content.
Kavi Bhushan
पीरा पयगम्बरा दिगम्बरा दिखाई देत,
सिद्ध की सिधाई गई, रही बात रब की।
कासी हूँ की कला गई मथुरा मसीत भई
शिवाजी न होतो तो सुनति होती सबकी॥
कुम्करण असुर अवतारी औरंगजेब,
कशी प्रयाग में दुहाई फेरी रब की।
तोड़ डाले देवी देव शहर मुहल्लों के,
लाखो मुसलमाँ किये माला तोड़ी सब की॥
भूषण भणत भाग्यो काशीपति विश्वनाथ
और कौन गिनती में भुई गीत भव की।
काशी कर्बला होती मथुरा मदीना होती
शिवाजी न होते तो सुन्नत होती सब की ॥
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Please do a podcast with Kushal mehra to discuss Savarkar and the same topics you discussed with her.There are some serious problems in the concept of hindutva in this podcast.
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Instead of an academic and a historian I should discuss it with a podcaster?
And I don’t mean that as an insult to Kushal, I am a podcaster too but if he had a Professor of History on and somebody told him aap Shehzad say Sahee samajh lai I would say the same thing
@@ThePakistanExperience discuss with Vikram Sampath
@@virens1897jo historian hai Vikram us se debate karne ki guts iske pass nahi hai..
@@ThePakistanExperiencediscuss it with vikram sampath.
Just a random observation: It feels good when you hear Marathi words pronounced correctly e.g 14:57 टिळक and not Tilak
Bhai BR ambedkar india ke pehle Islamophobe thee
Thats why he left Hindusim and became Budhist 🎉?
@@Humanityplus-h5gthat doesn’t change his views on Islam
@ same for Hinduism 😎
@ cope harder still today Dalits are poor Brahminism stand tall
@@Humanityplus-h5gJai bheem dholkpur wala 😂😂😂
Bro.... India did not follow the path of pakistan and india remained Secular because Hindus wanted to be Secular,now Hindu's trying to be hindus u guys are labelling them fascists,if muslims were majority will minorty get same treatment????
Radical left try to explain hindutva 😂😂
I have a very simple question - Lets look at Pakistan and Bangladesh today and their religious fanaticism and talk about Muslim Ummah and Islamic bomb. Who has been proven right to predict Islamic behaviour? Gandhi or Savarkar?
Sarvarkar nahi re shehzad .... Savarkar.... Veer Savarkar
@@sayajideshmukh for mercy petitions or ww2 recruitment of indian
@@Hararyoukoz3106 ww2 recruitment of indians .hmmm . So Gandhi?
@@Hararyoukoz3106mercy petitions to Gandhi Nehru ne bhi Diya tha and Jinnah ne kabhi nehi diya tha coz wo kabhi jail gaya hie nehi... Savarkar to Kalapani main 10 saal raha.. Pata hain Kalani pani ka jail kaise hota hain? Wo library or beds wala jail nehi tha
Mafiveerr savarkar
Communal jinnah
Communal modi
@Hararyoukoz3106 that was his smartest move of getting Hindus trained in modern warfare otherwise only Muslims and Sikhs would have had taken part as soldiers in a modern battlefield.
Anyone accepting transfer of power from British to Indian and Pakistani accepted and acknowledged British as the defacto and legal ruler of the country.
Unless and until someone has spent jail in Andaman in similar circumstances, one should shove his opinion up his arse.
Funny how Savarkar and his literature is known followed and known to.most Marathi intellectuals and many recent great books and movies on Savakar exist … don’t need Californian narrative :) amusing
Brilliant intellectual conversation. Continue bringing esteemed writers and professors in your podcast. This is great!
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ANCIENT INDIA, also known as BHARATVARSHA, encompassed a vast territory that has been reduced over time due to various invasions, empires, and colonialism. Here's a rough estimate of the territory lost:
1. Pakistan and Bangladesh: These countries were part of ancient India but were separated during the 1947 partition.
2. Afghanistan: Ancient India extended into present-day Afghanistan, but it was lost to Islamic invasions and later became a separate entity.
3. Tibet: Tibet was an integral part of ancient India, but it was annexed by China in the 18th century.
4. Nepal and Bhutan: These Himalayan kingdoms were once part of ancient India but gained independence over time.
5. Myanmar (Burma): Ancient India's territory extended into present-day Myanmar, but it was lost to the Burmese empire.
6. Sri Lanka: Although not physically connected, Sri Lanka was culturally and politically part of ancient India.
7. Parts of Central Asia: Ancient India's influence extended into present-day Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Xinjiang (China).
The territory lost by ancient India is estimated to be around 20-25% of its original size.
Here's a rough estimate of the original territory:
- Ancient India: approximately 10 million square kilometers (3.9 million sq mi)
- Present-day India: approximately 3.3 million square kilometers (1.3 million sq mi)
Keep in mind that these estimates vary, and the concept of a fixed territory is complex in ancient times. Nonetheless, it's clear that ancient India's territory has been significantly reduced over the Centuries.
Agar hindustan me Hindutva nahi hoga tho kya islamic desho me hoga?
Apna phir alg desh bana log india se Pakistan ki trh,ya desh Gandhi ka hai
India mai agar hindutva hoga to phir bhudhists, jains ,Sikh and christans ka bhi alag desh hoga kya?
@Hararyoukoz3106 who is Gandhi 😂he is nor hindu leader nor pm of india
@Hararyoukoz3106 hindustan belongs to native religion peoples Islam is forner element to bharth
@raghuveersinghrathore7395 these all branches of Hindusnism
Given the obsession Pakistan have with India, the expertise Pakistan have on India is shocking ! Vocabulary is limited to Hindu, hindutva, rss and Savarkar.