@@mrsuperheatran2794They were forced to delete since it also acted like a mythical pokemon, as such it was illegal from being used in VGC, and since Ash-Greninja can’t exist Without Mega Evolutions, Battle Bond was forced to undo a rework.
@@voltingmaster5458 the transformation is tied to its ability. GF can absolutely keep it if they can keep 100% Zygarde. Hell, Palafin exists, and it doesn't even need to KO a pokemon to transform, just switch out. Palafin even has a 60 BP water priority move lile Ash Greninja
@@kyouhei7731 Ok now you’re just grasping at straws! Zygarde Complete Isn’t A Mega Evolution and needs to be below 50% HP to activate its ability, and that Palafin Example is completely irrelevant since Battle Bond is an event ability while Zero To Hero was always apart of Palafin to begin with.
@@voltingmaster5458Ash Greninja never had anything to do with mega evolution. It came out in gen 7. Gamefreak could have kept it, but since it got retconned in the anime, I assume they decided to remove it from the game altogether
Ash Gren, Dusk Lycanroc, and Bloodmoon Ursaluna have all been banger mons, so I agree. Regional variants and convergent evos are hit or miss, but at this point they could make a special Castform and it would still somehow be busted _and_ cool.
@@christiancinnabars1402A variant of catsform would be that with a stone it invokes a climate immediately and if the climate leaves, it retains its shape as it is, and if the climate changes, The stone would protect it from changing shape, and that there would be one that, in a sandstorm, would change to the earth type, and that there would be another wind type, in this case it would be a flying type. And he still asked me, these days, so many changes have been made, why they don't change the flying type to the wind type, the defenders would become of the wind element. Not necessarily, they have to have an oxygen body, they are simply manipulators of the wind element.
Well, they couldn't have it be something you could get in game or as a starter, it would be extremely unfair to the other two... even though I only played with Greninja. But you should have been able to receive it through code.
0:32 calm mind would unironically make sense but only because of this specific “water droplet falling down into water” animation being VERY heavily associated with battle bond in the anime anyway this is the coolest shit ever
@@theamazingspooderman2697 “became fully charged due to the bond with it’s trainer!” is quite literally the embodiment of this entire franchise and the transformation in the anime fundamentally restructures your brain
I wonder if ash greninja would be balanced/weak if they made it such that it only activates on 50% hp or lower or something rather than on a KO, since he's so squishy making openly inviting hits much more risky, considering in the anime the activation conditions is more of greninja and ash being a pinch rather than on KO
@@Roflmao6173 that would be really interesting although in the anime it became less of a “in a pinch” power up and more of a general power up after the ability was mastered
They really should bring it back in Z-A, and maybe rebrand it as "Champion Greninja" in reference to Ash finally overcoming the jobber curse. The more vague title would then allow it to be not _completely_ tied to Ash, and fit more within the lore of it looking like the trainer it bonds with instead of a random 10 y/o halfway across the world that may or may not even exist in the same timeline. If you customize your trainer, then parts of that customization (such as the color) are reflected onto the Greninja when it transforms. Also, Champion Delphox and Champion Chestnaught, maybe? Imagine them with an extra 110 bst and a non trash Ability.
Nah, Serena owns Delphox and Clemont owns Chesnaught. (He actually owns an unevolved Chespin, but point is Ash only owns Greninja from the Kalos starters) Only Mega Delphox and Mega Chesnaught instead.
Fun fact it was competitively unviable for you to use a shiny or female Greninja because then your opponent wouldn't know if your protean or battle bond So, technically it was competitively unviable for Greninja to be black or a women
Ash Greninja was one of my favourite pokémon to use in competetive, I loved the incredible power of a choice specs boosted Hydro Pump in Rain and the guaranteed three hits 20 BP Water Shuriken priority was also very good to have
can you blame them? Gains 110 points through Battle Bond which is higher than 100 from Mega Evolution and also doenst need to hold an item to gain this stat boost
One day it will be possible to get since they didn't make his shiny the same as his normal Version like the Ash-Cap-Pikachu so them making a real shiny Shows that we one day get a shiny Ash-Greninja
From what? A simulator website with an unofficial leader board and rankings with no affiliation with Nintendo/gamefreak & pokemon Company... Yeah I wouldn't be too worried
It does not have nasty plot nor calm mind :0 I never played competitive generation seven as Z-Moves are a heavy turn off for me, however ash graninja is heavily strong and it is there to rival mega evolution.
I understand that Ash Greninja is not in the game. Battle bond is simply a different form of mega evolution. So Ash Greninja would be the only mega evolution in the game that would make him broken
Palafin, a pokemon with 650 BST that only need to switch out once to transform, exists Beside, this gen has a lot of power creep, so it wouldn't be too broken if you think about it
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The cherry on top is it breaking the 100 point stat increase by 10 extra points
i mean is just an ability
@@VannyhFor intents and purposes, it's basically a mega. Up until they decided they didn't want Ash Gren to exist anymore for some reason.
@@mrsuperheatran2794 not mega but something better. the power of protagonism and fun broken mechanics is what the new generations need like sun&moon
@@mrsuperheatran2794They were forced to delete since it also acted like a mythical pokemon, as such it was illegal from being used in VGC, and since Ash-Greninja can’t exist Without Mega Evolutions, Battle Bond was forced to undo a rework.
@@voltingmaster5458 yea man fuck vgc
Another Ho-Oh was killed by rock slide again 😢
Tis tradition
Greninja even has sludge wave now. Ash Greninja would have been even better if it didn't got removed
Greninja really got done dirty by gen 9.
All protean abilities are stupid in gen 9
Gamefreak was forced to delete Ash Greninja since it can’t exist without Mega Evolutions.
@@voltingmaster5458 the transformation is tied to its ability. GF can absolutely keep it if they can keep 100% Zygarde. Hell, Palafin exists, and it doesn't even need to KO a pokemon to transform, just switch out. Palafin even has a 60 BP water priority move lile Ash Greninja
@@kyouhei7731 Ok now you’re just grasping at straws! Zygarde Complete Isn’t A Mega Evolution and needs to be below 50% HP to activate its ability, and that Palafin Example is completely irrelevant since Battle Bond is an event ability while Zero To Hero was always apart of Palafin to begin with.
@@voltingmaster5458Ash Greninja never had anything to do with mega evolution. It came out in gen 7. Gamefreak could have kept it, but since it got retconned in the anime, I assume they decided to remove it from the game altogether
We need more special Pokemon variants like Ash Greninja
So far we’ve had that in the form of bloodmoon ursaluna
Ash Gren, Dusk Lycanroc, and Bloodmoon Ursaluna have all been banger mons, so I agree.
Regional variants and convergent evos are hit or miss, but at this point they could make a special Castform and it would still somehow be busted _and_ cool.
@@christiancinnabars1402A variant of catsform would be that with a stone it invokes a climate immediately and if the climate leaves, it retains its shape as it is, and if the climate changes, The stone would protect it from changing shape, and that there would be one that, in a sandstorm, would change to the earth type, and that there would be another wind type, in this case it would be a flying type. And he still asked me, these days, so many changes have been made, why they don't change the flying type to the wind type, the defenders would become of the wind element. Not necessarily, they have to have an oxygen body, they are simply manipulators of the wind element.
We got the Zygarde formes
It's criminal that ash-greninja wasn't in the gen 6 games
so much was wrong/incomplete about Gen 6 games, including this
Well, they couldn't have it be something you could get in game or as a starter, it would be extremely unfair to the other two... even though I only played with Greninja. But you should have been able to receive it through code.
0:32 calm mind would unironically make sense but only because of this specific “water droplet falling down into water” animation being VERY heavily associated with battle bond in the anime
anyway this is the coolest shit ever
ever? in pokemon maybe but even then "you sense the presence of many" is slightly better
@@theamazingspooderman2697 “became fully charged due to the bond with it’s trainer!” is quite literally the embodiment of this entire franchise and the transformation in the anime fundamentally restructures your brain
I wonder if ash greninja would be balanced/weak if they made it such that it only activates on 50% hp or lower or something rather than on a KO, since he's so squishy making openly inviting hits much more risky, considering in the anime the activation conditions is more of greninja and ash being a pinch rather than on KO
@@Roflmao6173 that would be really interesting although in the anime it became less of a “in a pinch” power up and more of a general power up after the ability was mastered
@@swift3520 counterpoint: "you sense the presence of many" feels like something from a soul game boss fight
They really should bring it back in Z-A, and maybe rebrand it as "Champion Greninja" in reference to Ash finally overcoming the jobber curse. The more vague title would then allow it to be not _completely_ tied to Ash, and fit more within the lore of it looking like the trainer it bonds with instead of a random 10 y/o halfway across the world that may or may not even exist in the same timeline. If you customize your trainer, then parts of that customization (such as the color) are reflected onto the Greninja when it transforms.
Also, Champion Delphox and Champion Chestnaught, maybe? Imagine them with an extra 110 bst and a non trash Ability.
Ash does exist, he sends you the Ash Greninja in Sun and Moon demo in the first place
Nah, Serena owns Delphox and Clemont owns Chesnaught.
(He actually owns an unevolved Chespin, but point is Ash only owns Greninja from the Kalos starters)
Only Mega Delphox and Mega Chesnaught instead.
Fun fact it was competitively unviable for you to use a shiny or female Greninja because then your opponent wouldn't know if your protean or battle bond
So, technically it was competitively unviable for Greninja to be black or a women
Wow not only is Gamefreak Racist, but they’re also Anti-Feminists.
dammit I wanted to make that joke
It really hurts knowing that Ash Greninja never got off the 3DS. Hopefully someday we can see him in Switch graphics.
Yeah hopefully in legends za
There was a Picture with all Pokemon in SV Sprites and Ash-Greninja ane AZ-Floette are also there so we get them for sure one day
yeah same thing because ash greninja cant exist without mega evolution
10 extra points 'beyond any mega evolution '.
That +50 attack for rock slide on hooh
Sometimes I feel like ho-ohs are being okhod by rock slide alot
Ash Greninja was one of my favourite pokémon to use in competetive, I loved the incredible power of a choice specs boosted Hydro Pump in Rain and the guaranteed three hits 20 BP Water Shuriken priority was also very good to have
The sp.atk and Attack boosts are my favorite of it I just wish it would get a defense and sp.def boost
Ash greninja walked so urshifu could run
Yeah but fuck urshifu
0:20 Nice shiny lil bro
I love shinies
I miss ash greninja, it better return in legends z-a. I mean it’s kalos
Yeah
You not adding Ash Greninja's theme from the anime feels like such a missed opportunity 🤧.
fr but the shopro shogunate would be at his doorstep
The fact that he’s putting a dragon ball super ending 10 song instead doesn’t seem better than
This should've just been Mega Greninja, so we could have had Mega Chesnaught and Delphox
ah yes, shiny ash-greninja
1:15 i love that animation for rock slide for example he splits his shuriken into two and yeah you know wat happens to ho-oh
I miss this little frogs prime
Greninja Ash gains 110 points. Mega formes only max out at 100 and need to take up Mega Stone space.
Db super music goes hard 🔥🔥
That ending was beautiful
Tera Ash Greninja goes brrrrr
I love Greninja but my god people meat-ride this Pokemon way too much.
can you blame them? Gains 110 points through Battle Bond which is higher than 100 from Mega Evolution and also doenst need to hold an item to gain this stat boost
It was once place 1 of the most liked Pokemon
@@theamazingspooderman2697 I know
It feels like Digimon music in the beginning.
Love it
Yo first track sounds like that one DBS ending theme.
True, I think it's DBS ending 10
But the way the music syncs at 0:43 tho...
I thought I was the only one that noticed
@@UprisingUpsilon noticed
Dragon Ball Super - Ending 🥺🥹
A 70 CENTIMETER WINDOW???
Of course the best dragon ball super ending
Who knows greninja might get calm mind
Imagine if Greninja was in Gen 8 with Dynamax
Probably handling a big giant shuriken in his raised hand when g-maxed
The fact that your using dragon ball ending 10 for this video
Too bad shiny Ash Greninja is in the shiny locked depths of hell😭
One day it will be possible to get since they didn't make his shiny the same as his normal Version like the Ash-Cap-Pikachu so them making a real shiny Shows that we one day get a shiny Ash-Greninja
I mean, it only exists as a placeholder anyways, in case hackers like viz here make it shiny. If it didn’t exist, it’d probably be some corrupt data
Oh my
Something that could make ash greninja better is that it could be fused with our pokemon characters instead of as for example xeloil greninja
Ash-Greninja's base stats AND on top of the ability that giving +1 Attack, Special Attack, and Speed? That would be even more broken than belief.
The sp.def and defense though
Next hoopa unbound
I hate this frog
Ayy thank you for accepting my req :))))))
Ash greninja is my ace in like many formats (i choice secs it)
From what? A simulator website with an unofficial leader board and rankings with no affiliation with Nintendo/gamefreak & pokemon Company...
Yeah I wouldn't be too worried
Not gonna lie they should add the physical appearance of the shuriken when using water shuriken because it looks like a water gun
And the next rock-slided Ho-oh... 😅
Yeah
I'm still furious that they nerfed two of his three possible abilities...
Yeah
c'mon ho-oh we counting on you 😂😂
Feels like every one is one shot by rock slide
Tbh I always thouht it was an ice water type because of the Giant shuriken in the anime
What's the music at 0:13???
Dragon ball super ending 10
If delphox and chesnaught got this too it wolud be cool
MegaGreninja in ZA
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Would the other gen 6 starters also get something like greninja or would they just ignore geninja’s battle bond and give them all megas?
But in XYZ it was said that the bond phenomenon is stronger than mega evolution itself
NARUTOAD!
are you talking banned in the vcg, online or smogon? cause smogon doesn't count.
He likely meant that it would have been banned in smogon if it had those move. Ash Greninja has never been allowed in VGC to begin with
Next black and white kyurem
Ash greninja my next favourite Pokemon after mega sceptile
Dragon ball super ending 10 ❤️
You know what it dhould get a special defense and defense boost but other wise its good
Whats with hooh getting wrecked by rock type attacks
It seems it is always one shot by them
It should have been:
Speed: 153
Sp. Atk: 145
Atk: 132
The stats are already completely fine how it is
Bro really wants a 153 base Speed Mega that can hold items.
@@christiancinnabars1402 FR
Sorry no way
@@christiancinnabars1402 Well somebody had to Un-Shadow the Calyrex
funnily enough the speed and damage increase in gen 9 is better, it just doesnt stay when you switch out smh
*DORAGON CRAW!!!!!*
Greninja dead
Kalos league memories
All this and it still lost to a Charizard X despite winning against a Mega Sceptile a few minutes earlier because why not
Nah it wins
IDC if they banned it as long as they kept the transformation. We have Palafin so WHY NOT ASH GRENINJA
It does not have nasty plot nor calm mind :0 I never played competitive generation seven as Z-Moves are a heavy turn off for me, however ash graninja is heavily strong and it is there to rival mega evolution.
I understand that Ash Greninja is not in the game. Battle bond is simply a different form of mega evolution. So Ash Greninja would be the only mega evolution in the game that would make him broken
Palafin, a pokemon with 650 BST that only need to switch out once to transform, exists
Beside, this gen has a lot of power creep, so it wouldn't be too broken if you think about it
Dont care nobody uses current battle bond anyway
That's because they erased the form in every media and then turned it into a nice haze-able stat boost.
@@mrsuperheatran2794 i know thats why it needs a comeback fr!
then why did you say dont care?
@@lord5582the worst thing is it only works one time in Battle they could at least make it so that it works again if you switch it out but nahh
@@swampertpokemon i sorta meant it as a direct reply to the title of the video
Battle bond infernape gear 5 sun god wukong hanuman mode need it in new game
I miss that form the new synergy design is stupid
People got him shiny??
No, as of right now ash Greninja is shiny locked
I don't care about Ash Greninja
Ew greninja worse starter
Nope
Bait used to be believable
Your opinion is invalid
@@JP_...__.__.._ Nah i just hated in the anime
You monster how could you