That one transport pilot shouting "We're unarmed, you have no right to fire at us" shows that the creators are at least a bit aware of how horrifying this is
well... starwars is famously a long time ago, so the geneva convention does not even exist there. Not to mention nobody gives a fuck about warcrimes in our world either unless they want to score political points.
The whole "Faking Surrender" is one of the worst good guy clichés of all time. Its the idea that it is in any way honorable to manipulate your opponents by taking advantage of their empathy.
Not to mention the fact that to a certain extent It justifies shooting in sight and as a result would likely result in more rebel who surrender being shot.
@@thetourettesgamer8851 The Japanese did this routinely in WW2. Allied soldiers in the Pacific quickly learned they had to be ruthless. The Japanese would even play dead so eventually soldiers even double tapped.
If Civs saw how they used the Storm trooper's sympathy as weakness and this turn allows them to know why they turned cruel and adapted 'Shoot one suspect than allow him to stab you in the back', this is a huge blow to the rebels. Seen less like a liberation front and more as a paramilitary terrorist organization.
Sabine not only blew up that dome but also designed the weapon that was turned on her people (you could argue that doesn’t count but if you do…) She has the highest kill count by far
@@Fulcrox there are times when people are brutally killed, like decapitation or being vaporized but because theres a conveniently made close up of a character's face right as it happens and the death is out of view. It is never considered the same. It's almost like if the audience never sees it, it becomes "implied" as to actually happening . . . Even if we see their remains immediately afterwards.
Zennoix riel3620 “To the victors went the spoils - went the truth.” In Imperial propaganda Palpatine was the brave hero that the _insidious_ Jedi attempted to overthrow to establish their own dictatorship. So yes, by the Imperial recollection he was a hero.
@@schizosamurai8840 Also having him briefly tutored by a guy who massacred a whole village just to draw out one man. That wouldn't help either I would think.
That is kinda tackled by the show, only less so tackled and more like "abused mentally and physically for seven years with significant force and threat" because subtlety is not Philoney's strong suit
I will debate about half the “Attacking a Defenseless Enemy” charges as a lot of the imperials were armed, uniformed combatants and thus valid targets... but yeah, whoo boy that’s a lotta war crimes.
@@caiooliveira4964 Yea, but a good portion of them were taken by surprise or had their cover Force-ibly removed *ba dum tss* and then were shot. Like the unnecessary killing one where the guard was about to sound the alarm during a stealth mission and was promptly thrown out a window. That was plenty necessary
Yeah, pretty sure attacking a retreating/fleeing enemy is also entirely legitimately so long as they aren't surrendering. They're still combatants and they will return to fight you.
@@ghillie_guys7808 There's a difference between fleeing and retreating. Usually, retreating indicates continued resistance and combat, whereas fleeing indicates the end of resistance and fighting. Of course, if theyre firing back at you, fire at them, but shooting fleeing enemies who clearly have given up resistance and are now simply leaving the battlefield entirely are probably more qualified under this rule
I’d like to point out, when the Empire fired upon Honda Ohnaka’s ship, Honda is a known pirate king who has killed and stolen from a great many people, so could literally have been considered a death sentence.
@@Stephanthecuteblondie2567 Allow me to list all the crimes against humanity and warcrimes and everything else in the comics and movies: A heck-ton of genocide, unncessary destruction and all that fun stuff, they proceeded to basically send *all* the imperial remnants into what was basically an execution. After the fall of the empire, they executed 90% of the imperials and even more during the Galactic Civil war, the Empire was a democratically elected goverment, the Rebels were terrorists.
Considering that the Empire lowered the rating of species like wookies to non sentient just to enslave them along with countless other species like twileks, killed almost all of the Lasat, built not one but two weapons designed to destroy planets. Yeah, I don't think you can call them the good guys in any sense of the word. Even if they are both bad, one is much less bad for the galaxy at large
I know that Loth-Wolves are somewhat intelligent/force sensitive so they are accomplices to Ezra and his actions to some degree but you can't really charge a wolf for unnecessary suffering or tell them not to attack a fleeing enemy. Other than that, Its nice to know that this show loves its war crimes for everyone, even droids and wolves.
Yunyun Union aren’t the rebels technically not adherents to the Geneva convention (or similar)? I know in real life non-country combatants are not signatories of international war crime treaties. They would be subject to prosecution by different laws. The Empire would have to adhere though.
@@52flyingbicycles Some of the these are kinda tough to adhere to when fighting a terrorist guerilla force. Like the hors de combat (fleeing enemies). Guerilla fighters always attack first and then flee, which would make it difficult to fight back if you weren't allowed to attack after they begin fleeing
@@Freekymoho good point the only character in this show with what I consider a heroic death is Governor Pryce. Thrawn was a tactical genius, he wouldn't have been outwitted by a 16 year old (approximately) terrorist
Considering said evil sith lord is the leader of the faction that appear to have committed the greater number of more severe war crimes - the "summary execution, torture prisoners, etc" kind - I think the rebels are still in the right here.
That we see in this series. Our good old pal Vader is big on torture, needless execution, persecution of force-sensitives even if they’re simply neutral, and not to mention the genocide of thousands (Jedi temple assault, including children ffs) and even billions (Alderaan).
Random Stormtrooper: Completely disarmed, begging for mercy on their knees Rebel: Shoots them in the head Music: *Ah yes, hero* edit: lol mofos arguing about goddamn star wars ethics in the replies because i made a joke
@Dylan Wall Miss the part where Thrawn nuked a city? Miss the part where the Imperials tried stabbing a baby in an air vent? Werent Ezra's parents killed for printing criticism of the Empire?
@@heraldofoblivion499 Not sure. My OT lore skills are sorely lacking. Regardless, it's either they follow orders or they get killed(maybe even worse) themselves. It's an inhumane situation to be put in and there is no right answer.
And also, the facists are proplably the good guys most of the time, i mean, they exploded a planet but at least they were not called heroes after millions of deaths, terrorism and basecally conquering +40% of the galaxy, witch is now injured after the death of millions of random workers
It is kinda weird how all the blasters have a stun setting that gets used twice. Stun seems really useful considering it is like a giant ring that you don't have to aim
Stun doesn't seem to work consistently. Sometimes someone who is stunned is knocked unconscious or just drops to one knee and isn't affected at all, even if they fall asleep in the middle of a battle there's no telling for how long they will be out of a fight before waking up and shooting someone in the back who just ignored them.
Yeah. Stun not being used is the biggest bullshit in SW and it happens in all of its various media. "I want them and I want them alive." Just stun them don't shoot live rounds at them you muppets. Or in the Mandalorian when he threatens to kill someone when he could just knock them out with stun and take them hostage. It happens in legends as well.
Watch the Video again, not once did the Rebels Commit genocide. Also when your enemy blows up entire worlds at the slightest hint of insubordination, you can treat yourself with a more...Liberal interpretation of the Geneva Convention.
4:12 should probably have more war crimes associated with it. Mind control: Basically taking an unwilling hostage and forcing them to commit unethical actions. Also it would probably be considered a form of psychological torture. Additionally, forcing a taken hostage to commit suicide probably counts as a type of execution or something.
@@MrsStormtrooper that's not a Jedi mind trick, what Ezra did was far worse. A mind trick basically makes the person on the recieving end more likely to agree to anything, such as the "Move along" stormtrooper in ANH, whilst what Ezra done was Mind Domination, he controlled the poor Imp's mind entirely. It's quite similar to what Kylo Ren does where he invades people's minds
A fair number of the 'Unnecessary destruction' accusations were not, in fact, unnecessary - They were largely the primary target of the missions in question, definitely in the Rebellion's case. All of the Maul ones should really be coloured differently, because they were committed by a third side in the conflict, and the CIS Droid-instigated and Loth Wolf-instigated ones should also be coloured differently for much the same reason.
Yeah, Maul’s not a faction recognized by anyone. He’s just some guy, his crimes aren’t war crimes there just crimes. Also this dude forgot to put in Saw threatening that sole Geonosian.
Gotta love how they put heroic music over the deaths of literally hundreds of Imperials. They were just doing their jobs, some of em (most of em actually) probably used to be civilians. Edit: By civilians I mean street rats or the poor, like Lothal residents
Fleet Admiral Auto non of them had probably seen any of the space wizards. You know how many people in those space ships and that command center were just running logistics or were sanitation workers.
@@fleetadmiralauto6506those people did not really have another option, they could stay poor and starve on some random planet or join the empire and explore the galaxy. there is no other way for these people to get of the planet so the empire gave them the opportunity, these people are not bad guys for taking that opportunity. also they are just average joes, they wouldn't know about any of the yedi and sith stuff.
I'd really love to get something like the star wars version of Nuremberg trials... I can definitely imagine Thrawn's lawyer, pointing out the needless destruction and acts of terror committed by the Alliance to restore the Republic in a fashion similar to how Donitz pleaded about his U-boat order.
0:07/0:33/4:00/8:37/8:47/9:24 Hors de combat does not apply to retreating enemies. As long as they haven't surrendered, they are legal targets. 0:14 It's also legal to open fire on escaping prisoners. It's not legal, however, to execute them for such unless they committed a crime in escaping that warrants the death penalty. If you pause 1:11 at the right time, you can also see that the _Gozanti_-class cruiser has two laser cannon turrets, so that's an armed vessel right there and is therefore a legal target. 1:48 is a gray area. It's technically legal to fire upon neutral targets if the rules of engagement say "weapons free," meaning "shoot anything that's not confirmed friendly." 3:19/7:45 is also a gray area. Rigging the TIE bomber with explosives is technically legal if used during or just prior to combat, or if it's near a legitimate military target. 4:00/8:50 Those stormtroopers are technically not defenseless, as they have their personal weapons on them. They're ill-suited against armored units like that AT-DP but they're still considered to be armed nonetheless. 6:48 I'd also say that those TIE pilots aren't technically defenseless. As long as they're capable of fighting-i.e. with their vehicle-they're legal targets. 7:35 The destruction of Jalindi station isn't necessarily needless destruction as it's a valid military target. According to the canon, Jalindi was a communications relay that also served as a tracking station.
@@comandantethorn9929 and in the same trilogy the Empire blows up an entire planet of presumably millions (based on dialogue) if not BILLIONS of people. And in Rebels they basically committed genocide on Geonosis, as well as enslaving Wookiees. I’d blow up a few Death Stars with thousands of combatants on them if it meant not living under a genocidal slave empire 😂
@@masterjereel5307 BUT BLOWING UP THE DEATH STAR IS AS MUCH GENOCIDE AS BLOWING UP THE PLANET ASDJKFHASDJKL how will you establish that youre better than the empire if you do the same but in a smaller scale literally just because you dont have the equipment asdfsd
@@comandantethorn9929 blowing up a military installation is not genocide. In fact blowing up Alderaan technically wasn’t genocide either, as it didn’t wipe out an entire species. Genocide is the targeted eradication of a specific population, that’s what distinguishes it from random killing. That’s why what the Empire did to the geonosians was genocide, because it targeted a specific species with the intent of wiping them all out. How can you possibly make the claim the Rebels are doing the same thing as the empire? If the Rebels hadn’t destroyed the Death Star, it would’ve destroyed Yavin IV and killed everyone there. What would you expect a rebel cell to do in the fight against an oppressive empire? War causes casualties, the difference between the Empire and the Rebellion in the way they conduct war is that the Empire doesn’t give a shit about civilian casualties while the Rebels try to avoid them at all costs (hell some Rebels are civilians themselves technically speaking). So, can you see the difference between destroying a military installation/weapon vs blowing up a planet with millions of innocent civilians? It’s not the same thing on a smaller scale.. that’s like saying in the real world that a targeted air-strike on a specific military installation is the same thing as nuking an entire city of non-combatants...
I notice that a lot of the rebel crimes are harming civilians, acts of terror, faking surrenders, assaulting retreating/surrendered enemies, unnecessary damage, and also attacking unarmed transports(Although... Both sides basically did this 24/7 from what I saw)
Welp i only see them harming imperial soldiers not civilians and i did not see any civilian dead by the rebels maybe it happend but it would probally be an accident
@@realmario979 infiltration droids were used by the empire they pretend to be normal passive droids but if they learn of any rebel activities they'd go full genocide
They are both (in my opinion) for kids because there's no blood. You:BUT THEY CUT OFF THEIR HEADS AND BLAH BLAH!!!! Welp you see any blood? Did you watched star wars series as a kid? Did you even think that its not a kid show? Welp probally not because you only liked because of the fights of "laser swords" and laser guns and thecnology blah blah blah. So yeah it is and its not a show for kids but its probally to 10, 12, 13 and 15 (i am 15 but i grew whit star wars when i was 4 or 5 LOL and i find it cool and my dad did not cover my eyes)
False Flag Operations (loose use of the term) occur when one tries to hide his identity from the opponent through emblems/uniforms. It's legal to do so as long as the opponent's crew isn't injured or killed so activities like spying or giving orders are ok. If one is to harm or kill the enemy, then he must drop the diguise for the enemy to distinguish him from their own
@@lachied2126 well yeah. We as humans are desperate to stay dignified. Though as you can probably tell, combat brings out something primal in us. These rules are meant to keep that primal instinct in check
This post was made by the imperium of man. Thought for the day: suffer not the alien to live. (As always, independent thinking is heresy and punishable by death)
On the one hand, these are interesting- on the other hand, the VAST majority of these require unorthodox and extremely broad readings of the laws of war to be considered war crimes
Fake surrender and using the enemy uniform in war is cristal clear. I also want to point out a common crime, be a combatant that fight but use civilian clothes widout a insgina or symbol that mark you out as a combatant.
to be fair maul was insane so i think he gets a pass. Edit: you know when I wrote this I did not think I would become an ethical debate about pleas of insanity in the courts. God I love the internet sometimes.
Amuro Ray lmao what? No, they were let go so germany and Japan could have a native government so they could allies to the us in the Cold War. >imagine believing propaganda | are you a neocon?
There was no 'Geneva' convention until well after the battle of Yavin, so, no, there technically were not. There were rules of engagement but, under a sadistic despot like palps, they were increasingly ignored while fighting rebels, and, well, do unto others.... Manyy are still unethical and immoral acts but have no legal recriminations.
Hors de Combat determines whether a target is still worthy of attack or should be protected. For example, it is illegal to shoot fleeing enemies but if they are firing back while fleeing or regrouping in an area, then you can still mow them down. The main emphasis is when an opportunity to take prisoners is presented, then it should be taken.
You very often had unnecessary destruction listed for the destruction of strategic military objectives, such has communication relays. I don't believe knocking down the equivalent of a radio tower is a war crime, no?
So to summarize: Every named character in Rebels did war crimes exept for Kallus 👍 I knew Kallus was smart enough to not committ war crimes (well he used unhuman weapons in a duel with Zeb, but Zeb used the same one so it's "fair"
@@BadBomb555 treason is an acronym for senator. You know who was a senator and got treasoned? So Kallus wasn't a Senator, but Palps was. And both got to deal with treason. The treason of Kallus was to honor the treason Palps had to face. So Palps wouldn't claim Kallus for treason
@@religionisevil8850 but he just attempted, he didn't concluded his genocide... Wait I should stop before it's getting out of hand. Genocides are bad...
Lol, al parecer esta gente en esta sección de comentarios nunca vieron El Jorobado de Notredame y mínimo Mulán (ambas películas de Disney con tramas oscuras similares al universo de Star Wars, y la lista sigue).
Huh… well the franchise is called Star Wars and in war there is no real good guys and bad guys. So every side in Star Wars is guilty of some kind of war crime.
I mean, if the Empire isn't engaging in good faith (and let's be honest, there is very little good faith to be found in the Empire) I don't think the Rebels are obliged to do so either.
"This video was brought to you by the galactic Empire, remember those rebel scum are war criminals, if you see the terrorists alert the nearest Imperial officer and run"
I feel like a lot of the Hors de Combat (Defenseless) don't really count. For example, the destroying a fighter one was hardly Defenseless, sure in that situation they couldn't fight back against their attack but they are still inside a vehicle capable of attacking others and likely had a gun within reach. Also the one at 8:50 is clearly not defenseless considering that was literally done right after the same person chased after the droid shooting so the guy was hardly defenseless.
I find it funny how nobody in the Mandolorian faction did anything wrong. And before anyone says anything, Sabine is with the rebels, and Saxon is with the empire, neither actually fight for the Mandolorian cause.
So you are saying, let me see if I am understanding you here, just being totally clear, avoiding misunderstandings, trying not to jump to conclusions... ...that Terrorists are terrorists and use terrorist tactics?
@Flekk Bone Gnawer semantics, it becomes terrorism when civilian targets are selected not of a military value but for best instilling fear. Until then insurgent, partisan, gurilla, or resistance forces acceptable terms along with freedom fighter depending on their primary tactics and goals. Alot of charges get overlooked based on the objective and who reported the situation. Empire was no better in their methods.
Storm trooper recruit: Okay, just got to navigate the ship. I hope my first day goes well. Rebel unedrcover: ArE yOu SuRe AbOuT tHaT? Emporer: We are the antagonyst and commit less war crimes than the rebels. YES IM BREAKING THE FOURTH WALL! UNLIMITED POOOOOOOWWWWWWEEEERRR!
Yeah, Thrawn's habit of taking artifacts adds some neat complexity to his character. He outwardly wants to study and preserve Twi'lek culture, but it really comes from a place of perceived superiority. Thrawn thinks that he and his fellow Chiss are better than the Twi'leks, and yet he gets angry when the human Captain Slavin expresses his own feelings of superiority towards the Twi'leks. It's a really neat aspect to his character.
Yea, upon first glance it comes off as "benevolence" but if dig a little it becomes clear that: it's for war reasons and it comes from a sense of superiority. Plus he's not as kind as some fans may think, here it wasn't included but he also states a "no mercy" (which is a war crime) during the Battle of Atollon when he declares he won't accept surrenders... So yea, a reckless warlord driven by a sense of superiority, other than all the well known reasons
@Lord Admiral Spire That's classified, but know that it will result in their eventual destruction, brother. We have learned from the Alpha Legion to seed them with distrust, to disrupt their power. And when they fall to infighting, we will strike.
Now that I realize it, Jedi, Rebels, and pretty much all the "good guys" in the franchise, love to do perfiding, false flag operations, and even celebrating when they explode large ships, killing a lot of many innocent droids and technicians, other war crimes...
Polish resistant gets weapons air dropped „Sorry boys, we can‘t fight the Nazis that massacre our people out of spite and/or for fun and turn our hole country into a concentration camp, thats a war crime.“ Then again, people are calling the rebels evil and terrorists for blowing up the death star. An enemy military asset that had cause billions of deaths in just a few weeks. On pacifistic allied civilians!
@@ragnerschwarzmane3412 To be fair to the Empire, the Alderan Government was secretly backing the rebellion and sending ground troops to arrest the King was potentially a suicide mission.
Trained dog does not because they are animals they would probally do savage things as any animal would do but they are trained but even if they are trained they would give alot of pain because of their teeths so yeah no war crimes
In the first episode, I remember Kallus killing his own stormtrooper, by kicking him down a canyon, just for stating "Was that your first jedi, sir?" I was a bit disturbed at how lightly that was done, and even more so in how it was presented. Especially as Kallus became Fulcrum later. I do not know if it is a war crime if you do not do it to the enemy, but your own soldier. Regardless, I dislike how 1: Kallus killed him without good cause. 2: The thing was portrayed as being funny. Yes, there are a lot of scenes in Star Wars and other media with officers executing their own. Grevious, Vader, etc. But the Gevioud was killing mostly droids(Who are less humanlike), and was a monstrous being to begin with. Vader in Empire Strikes Back was portrayed as a monster when he did so, without it being comedy. (Yes, Vader was redeemed later, but at the time of the killing he was terrible.) The point I am making is that when an officer kills their own, it is a tragedy, regardless of which side they are on. I understand that when you have truly evil villains they may do that. However, Kallus would later be portayed as "not so bad after all." Misguided rather then evil. A believer in the ultimate good of the Empire. He did not help the Empire by killing his own man. The best reason I can think of is that he lost control of his temper, and that is a very bad reason to give for murder. (Yes, in some situations a case can be made in which mental stress and anger may serve as mitigating factors for violent crimes, like when two people fight and in the rush of things the winner keeps beating the loser. Or if someone has been tortured by a sadist and kills the torturer afterwards. Not remotely the case here. First, if such a small remark can cause you to lose control in a stressful situation and kill someone, you shouldn't be walking the streets, let alone serving the military. Also, the situation of having enemy soldiers get away (as happened here) does not qualify as stressful enough on the same level as fearing for your life, or tortured by a criminal. Furthermore, the trooper only made a snippy remark, without a causal link to the bad event. Violence because of anger towards a person that caused you harm is bad enough. But violence towards innocent bystanders because you are angry is even worse.)
It could count as friendly killing without a reason. This means, that kallus did in fact commit friendly fire. While tho friendly fire in a whole isn't really a war crime. It is a war crime if you do it without a reason or intentional.
That scene always disturbed me too. That stormtrooper didn't deserve such an awful fate. Having an officer, someone you trust, someone you should be able to look to for leadership and guidance, commit actual murder because someone made a joke in a military that is very undisciplined is just horrific no matter how you look at it. And for Kallus to be revealed as "not actually a bad guy" later on made no sense.
to be fair, you can't charge wolves with war crimes, and droids are sort of a gray area. Also some of this may fall more under espionage than war, not sure if the rules still apply. Is mind-tricking a walker technically masking as the enemy? I don't think the Geneva convention covers many different uses of the force... Still, even with those caveats, there's a lot here.
Espionage is only legal if the spy only does their job of.. well, spying as long they don't kill any enemies while wearing their uniform. Also, Ezra wasn't tricking the walker, he was tricking the pilot inside that walker. I don't think it counts as false flag but it's still a serious war crime of coercing an unwilling hostage to commit unethical actions (shooting his own comrades) and forced suicide.
Shooting fleeing or retreating enemies isn’t a war crime. A person is hors de combat if: “(a) he is in the power of an adverse Party; (b) he clearly expresses an intention to surrender; or (c) he has been rendered unconscious or is otherwise incapacitated by wounds or sickness, and therefore is incapable of defending himself; provided that in any of these cases he abstains from any hostile act and does not attempt to escape.” Protocol I to the Geneva Convention
Under Article 8(2)(b)(vi) of the 1998 ICC Statute, “[k]illing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion” is a war crime in international armed conflicts. Oh would you look at that it is a war crime
Vod Kinockers that’s still technically not a war crime if they are retreating. It just says if they are defenseless and run then you can’t shoot them. Of course you both are right about certain situations. If they had a gun while running then it’s not a war crime but if they don’t then it is
@@PHATB0Y20 No. that’s not what that means. Fleeing is a means of defending yourself. What that is saying is that it is a war crime to kill someone who is incapacitated or who has surrendered. Attacking fleeing combatants, even those who are unarmed, is permitted because when the combatant has fled back to their army they can gather new arms.
In real life both sides of the two biggests wars in human history did just that, so it should not be an war crime BUT if the person its surrending giving up their guns its an war crime BUTT (lulz) if your squad or your brothers in the army are killing ppl that are surrendering its probally not and is an war crime
It kind of pisses me of how, Thrawn is completely out of character to his original self, in rebels. And with this video, just makes it more obvious how much Thrawn, isn't Thrawn anymore.
@@captainlastreo5160 cuz he was so well written, and expanded on, that i really thought that he needed no change to come to Canon. Also a little too late to comment eh.
Gotta love how that one time in Season 3 episode 1 is the ONLY time it's portrayed as being kinda fucked up when the Rebels do it, the rest of the time it's all good
@kabob 007 the star wars galaxy has a lot of different age ranges for a huge variety of species. And since clones are technically not a natural part of there species anymore, i guess they do count as mature. Also clones have no rights in this universe and are treated like droids, so no one would care anyways. I think the usage of intelligent clones was even illegal in the republic, making the use of the clone army a huge political nightmare.
I must protest that the signal tower counts as "unnecessary destruction" in the context of the asymmetrical warfare going on. Great compilation, all the same!
This makes the series feel a bit more realistic, as a small rebellion fighting the government, it would be expect of them to do some underhanded stuff.
Can't wait to see The Clo- oh a nice playlist you got there
This is where the fun begins
I already know from my own research that the majority of the Republic's came from Anakin Skywalker.
@@bowenorcutt78 Yes
@@YunyunUnion
Bowen Orcutt what a surprise
That one transport pilot shouting "We're unarmed, you have no right to fire at us" shows that the creators are at least a bit aware of how horrifying this is
Don't blame them for shooting, you can only push a good guy so hard that eventually he just shoots you instead of negotiating over it.
And that is the reason why good or bad guy thing is not really a thing.
And the storm troopers getting mauled by the wolves, they scream and beg, and the rebels act like good guys.
I beg to differ.
it's funny how Mon Mothma pretends her rebellion is any more humane than Bel Iblis'
It seems the Star Wars universe has a geneva suggestion rather than a Geneva convention
Not like anyone followed them in real life war either 😂
Gypsyblood777 war is heck
I'm fairly sure Star wars doesn't have a Geneva anything. War crimes seem to be the go-to strategy of about 99% of all Star wars army's.
well... starwars is famously a long time ago, so the geneva convention does not even exist there.
Not to mention nobody gives a fuck about warcrimes in our world either unless they want to score political points.
@@jeova0sanctus0unus well they do have something like the geneva convention, but as you can see, no one cares about it
I like how Star Wars is all about who can break the most laws until the other is destroyed till oblivion.
"You cant be the bad guy if you are a hero"
You can't break the Geneva suggestion if it doesn't exist
Star Warcrimes, next season on Cartoon Network
Basically most wars
warhammer?
The whole "Faking Surrender" is one of the worst good guy clichés of all time. Its the idea that it is in any way honorable to manipulate your opponents by taking advantage of their empathy.
Not to mention the fact that to a certain extent It justifies shooting in sight and as a result would likely result in more rebel who surrender being shot.
@@thetourettesgamer8851 The Japanese did this routinely in WW2. Allied soldiers in the Pacific quickly learned they had to be ruthless. The Japanese would even play dead so eventually soldiers even double tapped.
Literally what made me sympathize with the villains of stories more than the actual main characters
If Civs saw how they used the Storm trooper's sympathy as weakness and this turn allows them to know why they turned cruel and adapted 'Shoot one suspect than allow him to stab you in the back', this is a huge blow to the rebels.
Seen less like a liberation front and more as a paramilitary terrorist organization.
"if it works"
Even with all the war crimes here, Chopper still has the highest killstreak.
Sabine might have a higher kill count. She blew up the Imperial Dome
@@Da219StarWarsGuy I'm surprised Chopper didn't try to steal the detonator so he could press it.
Sabine not only blew up that dome but also designed the weapon that was turned on her people (you could argue that doesn’t count but if you do…)
She has the highest kill count by far
@@clashaccount8737if it wasn’t stuck to Sabine’s wrist he probably would have tbh
@@dimitrijensk2845 i mean would you say that tarkin was the one responsible for the death star destroying alderaan or galen erso
Jedi: "No, I won't kill people"
Also Jedi: "lmao that stormtrooper will probably survive being thrown off a 300 foot cliff"
If there is one thing I hated about Star Wars Rebels it was the unnesesary amount of stormtroopers getting launched off a building for no reason
@@cheetodorito4207 its because they don't want to acknowledge that they are killing them on screen, also to make some kind of weird comedy
They kill plenty people
Arent stormtroopers just dudes trying to do their job. Feels bad man
@@Fulcrox there are times when people are brutally killed, like decapitation or being vaporized but because theres a conveniently made close up of a character's face right as it happens and the death is out of view. It is never considered the same. It's almost like if the audience never sees it, it becomes "implied" as to actually happening . . . Even if we see their remains immediately afterwards.
Remember kids:
You’re only a war criminal if your side loses!
If you’re on the winning team then you’re a hero!
Clones and droids: Baguette 🥖
America/Soviets be like
So Emperor Palpatine was the hero in the beginning?
Zennoix riel3620
“To the victors went the spoils - went the truth.”
In Imperial propaganda Palpatine was the brave hero that the _insidious_ Jedi attempted to overthrow to establish their own dictatorship. So yes, by the Imperial recollection he was a hero.
@@zennoix9984 what do you mean was? He still is
"A Jedi only uses the Force for defense"
Ezra: *literally breaking the Geneva convention using the force*
It's almost as if helping a child develop super powers and sending him to what is essentially a war, is a bad idea or something
@@schizosamurai8840 Also having him briefly tutored by a guy who massacred a whole village just to draw out one man. That wouldn't help either I would think.
That is kinda tackled by the show, only less so tackled and more like "abused mentally and physically for seven years with significant force and threat" because subtlety is not Philoney's strong suit
Knew there was something fishy with that crew
So what version the Geneva convention in the star wars unisverse
The Rebel Alliance: *Commiting acts of terrorism*
*Happy Star Wars music starts playing*
I will debate about half the “Attacking a Defenseless Enemy” charges as a lot of the imperials were armed, uniformed combatants and thus valid targets... but yeah, whoo boy that’s a lotta war crimes.
I mean, they surrended, imagine their children thinking about them
@@caiooliveira4964 Yea, but a good portion of them were taken by surprise or had their cover Force-ibly removed *ba dum tss* and then were shot. Like the unnecessary killing one where the guard was about to sound the alarm during a stealth mission and was promptly thrown out a window. That was plenty necessary
Yeah, pretty sure attacking a retreating/fleeing enemy is also entirely legitimately so long as they aren't surrendering. They're still combatants and they will return to fight you.
@@robert-janthuis9927 it’s very much a grey area, officially you aren’t supposed to engage retreating or fleeing enemies but it isn’t very enforced
@@ghillie_guys7808 There's a difference between fleeing and retreating. Usually, retreating indicates continued resistance and combat, whereas fleeing indicates the end of resistance and fighting. Of course, if theyre firing back at you, fire at them, but shooting fleeing enemies who clearly have given up resistance and are now simply leaving the battlefield entirely are probably more qualified under this rule
I’d like to point out, when the Empire fired upon Honda Ohnaka’s ship, Honda is a known pirate king who has killed and stolen from a great many people, so could literally have been considered a death sentence.
Not to mention he is one of the galaxy's most wanted
That's a fair point
Ok
*Hondo
A death sentance with no trial?
The Rebel war crimes are the best war crimes because they have heroic music played over them
@Rudy Sanchez ironic
Rudy Sanchez I think you have good and bad mixed up there, rebels are evil, and the empire is much less evil.
@@Ediblebomb if you think empire is less bad then you haven't seen anything from star wars
@@Stephanthecuteblondie2567 Allow me to list all the crimes against humanity and warcrimes and everything else in the comics and movies: A heck-ton of genocide, unncessary destruction and all that fun stuff, they proceeded to basically send *all* the imperial remnants into what was basically an execution. After the fall of the empire, they executed 90% of the imperials and even more during the Galactic Civil war, the Empire was a democratically elected goverment, the Rebels were terrorists.
Considering that the Empire lowered the rating of species like wookies to non sentient just to enslave them along with countless other species like twileks, killed almost all of the Lasat, built not one but two weapons designed to destroy planets.
Yeah, I don't think you can call them the good guys in any sense of the word.
Even if they are both bad, one is much less bad for the galaxy at large
“You break every rule of engagement!”
-Mon Mothma, leader of an organization that commits war crimes on the regular
She lives in a fairy tale, at least Saw knows that what they are doing isn't so pretty...
I know that Loth-Wolves are somewhat intelligent/force sensitive so they are accomplices to Ezra and his actions to some degree but you can't really charge a wolf for unnecessary suffering or tell them not to attack a fleeing enemy.
Other than that, Its nice to know that this show loves its war crimes for everyone, even droids and wolves.
Well I mean the rebels were terrorists so it’s not surprising, also isn’t being a 14 years old part of a war crime for being a child soldier?
Yes, it is. But I overlooked of it when I made this video.
@@YunyunUnion jedis are renowed war criminals for their use of children
Yunyun Union aren’t the rebels technically not adherents to the Geneva convention (or similar)? I know in real life non-country combatants are not signatories of international war crime treaties. They would be subject to prosecution by different laws. The Empire would have to adhere though.
@@52flyingbicycles Some of the these are kinda tough to adhere to when fighting a terrorist guerilla force. Like the hors de combat (fleeing enemies). Guerilla fighters always attack first and then flee, which would make it difficult to fight back if you weren't allowed to attack after they begin fleeing
@@Freekymoho good point
the only character in this show with what I consider a heroic death is Governor Pryce. Thrawn was a tactical genius, he wouldn't have been outwitted by a 16 year old (approximately) terrorist
When an evil sith lord commits less war crimes than a fourteen year old boy
Ezra is a gamer
Or than an astromech droid
Well considering that he is also directly responsible for Alderan i‘d say that Vader is still galaxies ahead.
Considering said evil sith lord is the leader of the faction that appear to have committed the greater number of more severe war crimes - the "summary execution, torture prisoners, etc" kind - I think the rebels are still in the right here.
That we see in this series. Our good old pal Vader is big on torture, needless execution, persecution of force-sensitives even if they’re simply neutral, and not to mention the genocide of thousands (Jedi temple assault, including children ffs) and even billions (Alderaan).
"Rebels is a kids show"
*has literal W.A.R. CRIMES in every damn episode*
*Meanwhile in Clone Wars*
Moreover it's ending is the celebration of a war crime.
Disney teaching kids that it's ok to be just as evil as the villains.
Freakin imperial dogs.
because 90% of the content is played for the laughs. still a damn kids show. 3 good scenes don't make a series good.
Random Stormtrooper: Completely disarmed, begging for mercy on their knees
Rebel: Shoots them in the head
Music: *Ah yes, hero*
edit: lol mofos arguing about goddamn star wars ethics in the replies because i made a joke
Wonder how many kids that stormtrooper has 'liberated' in the line of his duty.
@Dylan Wall
Miss the part where Thrawn nuked a city? Miss the part where the Imperials tried stabbing a baby in an air vent? Werent Ezra's parents killed for printing criticism of the Empire?
@@heraldofoblivion499 Stormtroopers did none of those things. Stormtroopers are just regular people with no other option than to follow orders.
@@bevvvy1374
Didn't they also kill Luke's aunt and Uncle?
@@heraldofoblivion499 Not sure. My OT lore skills are sorely lacking. Regardless, it's either they follow orders or they get killed(maybe even worse) themselves. It's an inhumane situation to be put in and there is no right answer.
This "kids show" is about political terrorism against a fascist estate, but I like it because it's Star Wars
And also, the facists are proplably the good guys most of the time, i mean, they exploded a planet but at least they were not called heroes after millions of deaths, terrorism and basecally conquering +40% of the galaxy, witch is now injured after the death of millions of random workers
@Oober Goober shocking truth
@@caiooliveira4964
do not forget the empire used a entire community of people for target practice for a TRAINING PROGRAM.
@@caiooliveira4964 didn't the empire commit genocide at least twice?
@@DemocraticConfederalist33 They destroyed 'civilization' on at least three planets. twice in Rogue One, and of course, Alderran in ANH
It is kinda weird how all the blasters have a stun setting that gets used twice. Stun seems really useful considering it is like a giant ring that you don't have to aim
Clarkster i know right? It‘s like a shotgun with a huge spread and infinit range. And nobody dies. Why isn‘t stun the primary setting?
@@ragnerschwarzmane3412 range is never really covered I've only seen it being used in close range
@@BTpaintballer Or it moves really slow, so they have to shoot it in close quarter to get the most put of i
Stun doesn't seem to work consistently. Sometimes someone who is stunned is knocked unconscious or just drops to one knee and isn't affected at all, even if they fall asleep in the middle of a battle there's no telling for how long they will be out of a fight before waking up and shooting someone in the back who just ignored them.
Yeah. Stun not being used is the biggest bullshit in SW and it happens in all of its various media. "I want them and I want them alive." Just stun them don't shoot live rounds at them you muppets. Or in the Mandalorian when he threatens to kill someone when he could just knock them out with stun and take them hostage. It happens in legends as well.
star wars rebels: empire is so evil
also star wars rebels: LOL TERRORISM, EXECUTUTION, AND GENOCIDE
Watch the Video again, not once did the Rebels Commit genocide. Also when your enemy blows up entire worlds at the slightest hint of insubordination, you can treat yourself with a more...Liberal interpretation of the Geneva Convention.
@@electricvancompany3847 ik its a joke. and it's more like the geneva suggestion
No I'm sorry, it turns out the rebels DID commit genocide
To be fair, the empire did it too
@@electricvancompany3847 *cough* Death star *cough*
4:12 should probably have more war crimes associated with it.
Mind control:
Basically taking an unwilling hostage and forcing them to commit unethical actions.
Also it would probably be considered a form of psychological torture.
Additionally, forcing a taken hostage to commit suicide probably counts as a type of execution or something.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_suicide
Yes, coercing a prisoner/hostage to commit suicide is considered a warcrime, IIRC.
I always thought that the Jedi mind trick was messed up, now I'm sure of it.
@@MrsStormtrooper that's not a Jedi mind trick, what Ezra did was far worse. A mind trick basically makes the person on the recieving end more likely to agree to anything, such as the "Move along" stormtrooper in ANH, whilst what Ezra done was Mind Domination, he controlled the poor Imp's mind entirely. It's quite similar to what Kylo Ren does where he invades people's minds
@@mcstriker Also in the Clone Wars when Count Dooku forced a pirate to execute his friend.
Is he really using mind control? It looks like he's controlling the vehicle directly
Chopper, falling: “call a court”
Chopper, grabbing trooper: “but not for you”
only chopper could uno reverse a warcrime
Broke: Star Wars is just a movie about space wizzards!
Woke: It's about War Crimes....IN SPACE!!!
A fair number of the 'Unnecessary destruction' accusations were not, in fact, unnecessary - They were largely the primary target of the missions in question, definitely in the Rebellion's case. All of the Maul ones should really be coloured differently, because they were committed by a third side in the conflict, and the CIS Droid-instigated and Loth Wolf-instigated ones should also be coloured differently for much the same reason.
so wait same does not go with tbe empire for having to deal with terrorist insurgency?
One could argue the same for Saw Guerrera and his Partisans.
OMG YES SOMEONE WHO KNOW A LIL BETTER!!!!
Yeah, Maul’s not a faction recognized by anyone. He’s just some guy, his crimes aren’t war crimes there just crimes. Also this dude forgot to put in Saw threatening that sole Geonosian.
Perdon por el 👎fue una accidente
Gotta love how they put heroic music over the deaths of literally hundreds of Imperials. They were just doing their jobs, some of em (most of em actually) probably used to be civilians.
Edit: By civilians I mean street rats or the poor, like Lothal residents
They made imperial deaths look "funny" just like it was with droids in tcw... but normal people aren't mass produced, guys! They're people!
Well, I mean, kinda their fault for joining an army that rallies under a murderous cyborg and an evil wizard
Fleet Admiral Auto not many people knew that
Fleet Admiral Auto non of them had probably seen any of the space wizards. You know how many people in those space ships and that command center were just running logistics or were sanitation workers.
@@fleetadmiralauto6506those people did not really have another option, they could stay poor and starve on some random planet or join the empire and explore the galaxy. there is no other way for these people to get of the planet so the empire gave them the opportunity, these people are not bad guys for taking that opportunity. also they are just average joes, they wouldn't know about any of the yedi and sith stuff.
Remember kids: there is no Geneva Convention when there is no Geneva
Geneva convention more like Geneva suggestion
2:07 "If you won't talk, my troopers will become a firing squad"
*Waffen-SS intensifies
If you don't talk, this _assault squad_ is going to become a *firing squad*
I'd really love to get something like the star wars version of Nuremberg trials...
I can definitely imagine Thrawn's lawyer, pointing out the needless destruction and acts of terror committed by the Alliance to restore the Republic in a fashion similar to how Donitz pleaded about his U-boat order.
The Nuremberg Trials we're little more A kangaroo court.
Aaron, tell me you support the nazis without saying “I’m a nazi”
0:07/0:33/4:00/8:37/8:47/9:24 Hors de combat does not apply to retreating enemies. As long as they haven't surrendered, they are legal targets.
0:14 It's also legal to open fire on escaping prisoners. It's not legal, however, to execute them for such unless they committed a crime in escaping that warrants the death penalty.
If you pause 1:11 at the right time, you can also see that the _Gozanti_-class cruiser has two laser cannon turrets, so that's an armed vessel right there and is therefore a legal target.
1:48 is a gray area. It's technically legal to fire upon neutral targets if the rules of engagement say "weapons free," meaning "shoot anything that's not confirmed friendly."
3:19/7:45 is also a gray area. Rigging the TIE bomber with explosives is technically legal if used during or just prior to combat, or if it's near a legitimate military target.
4:00/8:50 Those stormtroopers are technically not defenseless, as they have their personal weapons on them. They're ill-suited against armored units like that AT-DP but they're still considered to be armed nonetheless.
6:48 I'd also say that those TIE pilots aren't technically defenseless. As long as they're capable of fighting-i.e. with their vehicle-they're legal targets.
7:35 The destruction of Jalindi station isn't necessarily needless destruction as it's a valid military target. According to the canon, Jalindi was a communications relay that also served as a tracking station.
4:00/8:50 That AT-PD pilot was defenseless, though. And coerced against his will to fire upon his own allies.
I swear this is most true comment in here
@@donder172”the guy in the laser cannon vehicle was defenseless!”
You know that the armored laser cannon vehicle.. is a weapon, right?
this makes more sense
@@donder172Pilot's fault for not taking precautions against a hijacking.
"star wars rebels is a kids show"
star wars rebels:
WAR CRIMES
*TERRORISM*
*_G E N O C I D E_*
They said the same thing about the clone wars.
Literally in the OG trilogy *the rebels blow up a ship that is the size of a moon thats piloted by thousands of people T W I C E*
@@comandantethorn9929 and in the same trilogy the Empire blows up an entire planet of presumably millions (based on dialogue) if not BILLIONS of people. And in Rebels they basically committed genocide on Geonosis, as well as enslaving Wookiees. I’d blow up a few Death Stars with thousands of combatants on them if it meant not living under a genocidal slave empire 😂
@@masterjereel5307 BUT BLOWING UP THE DEATH STAR IS AS MUCH GENOCIDE AS BLOWING UP THE PLANET ASDJKFHASDJKL how will you establish that youre better than the empire if you do the same but in a smaller scale literally just because you dont have the equipment asdfsd
@@comandantethorn9929 blowing up a military installation is not genocide. In fact blowing up Alderaan technically wasn’t genocide either, as it didn’t wipe out an entire species. Genocide is the targeted eradication of a specific population, that’s what distinguishes it from random killing. That’s why what the Empire did to the geonosians was genocide, because it targeted a specific species with the intent of wiping them all out.
How can you possibly make the claim the Rebels are doing the same thing as the empire? If the Rebels hadn’t destroyed the Death Star, it would’ve destroyed Yavin IV and killed everyone there. What would you expect a rebel cell to do in the fight against an oppressive empire? War causes casualties, the difference between the Empire and the Rebellion in the way they conduct war is that the Empire doesn’t give a shit about civilian casualties while the Rebels try to avoid them at all costs (hell some Rebels are civilians themselves technically speaking).
So, can you see the difference between destroying a military installation/weapon vs blowing up a planet with millions of innocent civilians? It’s not the same thing on a smaller scale.. that’s like saying in the real world that a targeted air-strike on a specific military installation is the same thing as nuking an entire city of non-combatants...
I notice that a lot of the rebel crimes are harming civilians, acts of terror, faking surrenders, assaulting retreating/surrendered enemies, unnecessary damage, and also attacking unarmed transports(Although... Both sides basically did this 24/7 from what I saw)
There are no truly good guys in wars. That's the sad truth.
Only the Empire here bombed entire cities and villages: Scorching of Lothal, Bombing of Garel, Bombing of Lothal City, Razing of Tarkintown
And only the rebels were commiting terrorism and disguising as neutrals or enemies
Welp i only see them harming imperial soldiers not civilians and i did not see any civilian dead by the rebels maybe it happend but it would probally be an accident
@@realmario979 infiltration droids were used by the empire they pretend to be normal passive droids but if they learn of any rebel activities they'd go full genocide
Star Wars "Fans": Clone Wars isn't for kids! Rebels is!
RUclips: That's where you're wrong, kiddo
They are both (in my opinion) for kids because there's no blood.
You:BUT THEY CUT OFF THEIR HEADS AND BLAH BLAH!!!!
Welp you see any blood? Did you watched star wars series as a kid? Did you even think that its not a kid show? Welp probally not because you only liked because of the fights of "laser swords" and laser guns and thecnology blah blah blah. So yeah it is and its not a show for kids but its probally to 10, 12, 13 and 15 (i am 15 but i grew whit star wars when i was 4 or 5 LOL and i find it cool and my dad did not cover my eyes)
@@omegasupreme2200 lol learn past tence
@Charles Thigpen Charles Thigpen but for me as an kid it was not that violent lol. (Maybe i was an sociopath kid lol)
@Omega Supreme m.ruclips.net/video/bX8iN6T_M_A/видео.html
Still think Clone Wars is a kids show?
Clone Wars: *War is Bad. The loss of life on both sides is a Tragedy*.
Rebels:
False Flag Operations (loose use of the term) occur when one tries to hide his identity from the opponent through emblems/uniforms.
It's legal to do so as long as the opponent's crew isn't injured or killed so activities like spying or giving orders are ok.
If one is to harm or kill the enemy, then he must drop the diguise for the enemy to distinguish him from their own
Isn't spying illegal?
@@frenchsoldier8485 only if you get caught.
Can't believe there are so many rules. I thought the basics were not to harm civilians, no false surrender and fair treatment of POW's
@@lachied2126 well yeah. We as humans are desperate to stay dignified. Though as you can probably tell, combat brings out something primal in us. These rules are meant to keep that primal instinct in check
@@lachied2126 If someone says, "in war and love, there are no rules", they are either liars, or they just do not know.
I like how saw guerrera is just like "yep I'm a terrorist lol" _commits war crimes_
at least he owns up to it
At least he doesn’t pretend he’s not let’s be for real all rebels or terrorists
Remember people it’s not crimes against humanity if their not human
Empire be like:
This post was made by the imperium of man. Thought for the day: suffer not the alien to live.
(As always, independent thinking is heresy and punishable by death)
EMPIRE: for the emperor
IMPERIVM: for the emperor
No mercy
AAAAAAA!!!
Stormtroopers be like: im a a joke to you ?
Can't be racist against a race that no longer exists
On the one hand, these are interesting- on the other hand, the VAST majority of these require unorthodox and extremely broad readings of the laws of war to be considered war crimes
Fake surrender and using the enemy uniform in war is cristal clear. I also want to point out a common crime, be a combatant that fight but use civilian clothes widout a insgina or symbol that mark you out as a combatant.
7:45 I'd call that a weapon of mass destruction. Not a bomb.
to be fair maul was insane so i think he gets a pass.
Edit: you know when I wrote this I did not think I would become an ethical debate about pleas of insanity in the courts. God I love the internet sometimes.
Granted
@@YunyunUnion nice
Yeah that’s not how that works
@Amuro Ray huh to be honest i didn't know that when i made the joke
Amuro Ray lmao what? No, they were let go so germany and Japan could have a native government so they could allies to the us in the Cold War. >imagine believing propaganda | are you a neocon?
In short, nether side cares about War Crimes....no wonder there’s constant warfare in the galaxy.
Empirials be like: my 7th executor go brrrrrrrrrr
I’m starting to think some of these aren’t war crimes in the Star Wars galaxy.
Don’t worry guys these crimes will bring peace. After all people won’t hold grudges and commit crimes against humanity... oh wait
It's only a war crime if you lose the war
The "Laws of War" in the Star Wars Galaxy is merely a how-to guide
Technically slavery is ok in the empire, witch dont make sence, but ok...
There was no 'Geneva' convention until well after the battle of Yavin, so, no, there technically were not. There were rules of engagement but, under a sadistic despot like palps, they were increasingly ignored while fighting rebels, and, well, do unto others....
Manyy are still unethical and immoral acts but have no legal recriminations.
3:35 oh boy the amount of times Vader does this in battlefront 2
You mean Maul?
I mean... is it surprising that the empire is firing upon civilians considering the rebels act under false flag in *every single encounter?*
That is the reason why false flag is a war crime, after all.
Hors de Combat determines whether a target is still worthy of attack or should be protected.
For example, it is illegal to shoot fleeing enemies but if they are firing back while fleeing or regrouping in an area, then you can still mow them down.
The main emphasis is when an opportunity to take prisoners is presented, then it should be taken.
Most of the time the rebels are in a fighting retreat.
@@johnccalhoun1203 that's not excuse to kill unarmed soldiers
@@Fulcrox Most of the time they are armed
You very often had unnecessary destruction listed for the destruction of strategic military objectives, such has communication relays. I don't believe knocking down the equivalent of a radio tower is a war crime, no?
@@Fulcrox You can't really execute a fighting retreat if you're unarmed
Great video, hope this gets some attention, it really deserves it.
Can we agree that the Maul is just making warcrimes every time?
So to summarize:
Every named character in Rebels did war crimes exept for Kallus 👍
I knew Kallus was smart enough to not committ war crimes (well he used unhuman weapons in a duel with Zeb, but Zeb used the same one so it's "fair"
Before the show's events, he participated in the attempted genocide of the Lasats.
He did betray the Empire to work as a double agent for the Rebels. It's treason then and one of the biggest war crimes.
@@BadBomb555 treason is an acronym for senator. You know who was a senator and got treasoned?
So Kallus wasn't a Senator, but Palps was. And both got to deal with treason. The treason of Kallus was to honor the treason Palps had to face. So Palps wouldn't claim Kallus for treason
@@religionisevil8850 but he just attempted, he didn't concluded his genocide... Wait I should stop before it's getting out of hand. Genocides are bad...
He was involved in a genocide, then deserted
Ill never understand why the Ghost crew were supposed to be the “likable” ones.
chopper that's why
The fact that they were known for being a rather professional and humane rebel cell says a lot about the rebellion as a whole-
@@echothevelociraptor9694 except Saw Guerrera
Seems like the rebels commit an alarming large amount of war crimes.
There are bloodthirsty lunatics..
Welcome to Star Wars Rebels, everyone. This is a Kids show, hence the war crimes.
I love how Disney a "family friendly platform" just puts over 10000 war crimes in their kids show
Lol, al parecer esta gente en esta sección de comentarios nunca vieron El Jorobado de Notredame y mínimo Mulán (ambas películas de Disney con tramas oscuras similares al universo de Star Wars, y la lista sigue).
War crimes exist on Earth, in the real world, not in a fictional galaxy far, far away.
@@jagpro91 you're not a warcrime, you're pollution.
The rebels: *rebel against tyranny*
This montage: *"its technically a crime"*
Yes video ignores that
War and terrorism are different. Even in war, there are rules to follow.
The rebels: kill unarmed soldiers and commit literal acts of terrorism
The show: Its ok cause they're the good guys
Huh… well the franchise is called Star Wars and in war there is no real good guys and bad guys.
So every side in Star Wars is guilty of some kind of war crime.
I mean, if the Empire isn't engaging in good faith (and let's be honest, there is very little good faith to be found in the Empire) I don't think the Rebels are obliged to do so either.
"This video was brought to you by the galactic Empire, remember those rebel scum are war criminals, if you see the terrorists alert the nearest Imperial officer and run"
"Sir, the editors left our war crimes in there too."
„What?! He will be painfully publicly executed for that! That gotta show everyone that we are the good guys!“
@@ragnerschwarzmane3412 this was posted by the hutts then, we had nothing to do with it, and it is faked, all of it.
@@zacharyrollick6169 sabotage!
0:13 that : Open fire was so deep
I feel like a lot of the Hors de Combat (Defenseless) don't really count. For example, the destroying a fighter one was hardly Defenseless, sure in that situation they couldn't fight back against their attack but they are still inside a vehicle capable of attacking others and likely had a gun within reach. Also the one at 8:50 is clearly not defenseless considering that was literally done right after the same person chased after the droid shooting so the guy was hardly defenseless.
Exactly
I find it funny how nobody in the Mandolorian faction did anything wrong.
And before anyone says anything, Sabine is with the rebels, and Saxon is with the empire, neither actually fight for the Mandolorian cause.
They're too smart for this
Yeah, well the Mandolorians are defined by a strict code of honor
This is a little off topic but don't forget what the death watch did
@@bladedninja8853 what? The Death Watch never did anything wrong!
_Greg, Death Watch Head of Public Relations_
They learned their lesson from the Mandalorian Wars. Genocide on Cathar killing 90% of the species only to have their home world scorched by Revan.
It's like Yugoslavia, but with epic orchestral music in the background
Epic orchestral music makes everything better
Bruh the rebels committed more war crimes then the imperials
Chopper is the greatest offender lol
They've also commited some of the worst
So you are saying, let me see if I am understanding you here, just being totally clear, avoiding misunderstandings, trying not to jump to conclusions...
...that Terrorists are terrorists and use terrorist tactics?
Wyatt Tyson they were never referred to as terrorists in the show
@Flekk Bone Gnawer semantics, it becomes terrorism when civilian targets are selected not of a military value but for best instilling fear. Until then insurgent, partisan, gurilla, or resistance forces acceptable terms along with freedom fighter depending on their primary tactics and goals. Alot of charges get overlooked based on the objective and who reported the situation. Empire was no better in their methods.
1:10 that transport is clearly armed
Storm trooper recruit: Okay, just got to navigate the ship. I hope my first day goes well.
Rebel unedrcover: ArE yOu SuRe AbOuT tHaT?
Emporer: We are the antagonyst and commit less war crimes than the rebels. YES IM BREAKING THE FOURTH WALL! UNLIMITED POOOOOOOWWWWWWEEEERRR!
Chopper committed less war crimes than I thought. That droid is sadistic
We just didnt seen it
“They’re not war crimes if you win.”
I like how it’s even fast forward so it’s probably even a lot longer than that
9:14 bro really just accused wolves of war crimes
Yeah, Thrawn's habit of taking artifacts adds some neat complexity to his character. He outwardly wants to study and preserve Twi'lek culture, but it really comes from a place of perceived superiority. Thrawn thinks that he and his fellow Chiss are better than the Twi'leks, and yet he gets angry when the human Captain Slavin expresses his own feelings of superiority towards the Twi'leks. It's a really neat aspect to his character.
Yea, upon first glance it comes off as "benevolence" but if dig a little it becomes clear that: it's for war reasons and it comes from a sense of superiority.
Plus he's not as kind as some fans may think, here it wasn't included but he also states a "no mercy" (which is a war crime) during the Battle of Atollon when he declares he won't accept surrenders... So yea, a reckless warlord driven by a sense of superiority, other than all the well known reasons
@@trissplayground5013sounds like the perfect commander for the SSA (or whatever it’s called the one nazi thingo)
Could you do one for clone wars? Or is there already one? That’d be a long list
Haha. I'm already making one and hope you'll enjoy it too.
Currently at Season 5 but ready to start uploading it tom =D
Yunyun Union wow! You really deserve more subscribers!
G-Moneygaming YT
Haha thanks. I’m glad you guys enjoy the videos =D
@@YunyunUnion Thank you!
Rudy Sanchez there’s also a reason why people say the empire are radically inefficient fascist.
“How many warcrimes did you commit”
_”yes”_
No one:
Star Wars:
Geneva Convention more like Geneva Suggestion.
Warhammer 40k:
*Laughs in Exterminatus*
Yavin convention.
*XENOS NEVER SIGNED THE GENEVA CONVENTION, BROTHER*
Yes my brother
@Lord Admiral Spire That's classified, but know that it will result in their eventual destruction, brother. We have learned from the Alpha Legion to seed them with distrust, to disrupt their power. And when they fall to infighting, we will strike.
Geneva checklist more like right
I love how this time they are all war criminals, except for Chopper. Chopper is a special little droid!
Now that I realize it, Jedi, Rebels, and pretty much all the "good guys" in the franchise, love to do perfiding, false flag operations, and even celebrating when they explode large ships, killing a lot of many innocent droids and technicians, other war crimes...
#TheEmpireDidNothingWrong
C'est la guerre, what do you expect when you're on a warship? Also, false flag operations are not illegal
Warships are bassically flying weapons in starwars also technicians are military personel
Star Wars Rebels, the only kids show where the heroes commit more war crimes than the villains
War crimes kinda go out the window when that "war" is a small group of revolutionaries against a massive military superpower
Alderaan's death toll is significantly higher than the total amount of dead cause caused by the rebels.
Polish resistant gets weapons air dropped „Sorry boys, we can‘t fight the Nazis that massacre our people out of spite and/or for fun and turn our hole country into a concentration camp, thats a war crime.“
Then again, people are calling the rebels evil and terrorists for blowing up the death star. An enemy military asset that had cause billions of deaths in just a few weeks. On pacifistic allied civilians!
@@ragnerschwarzmane3412 To be fair to the Empire, the Alderan Government was secretly backing the rebellion and sending ground troops to arrest the King was potentially a suicide mission.
@@HunterStiles651 "To be fair to literal space nazis"
Bruh.
The fact that the playback speed is faster makes this more hilarious
Imperials: Its only a war crime if our enemies do it.
4:48
War crime or not, that was badass
With Mon Mothma confirming they have "rules of engagement" thus proving they do have some concept of war crimes in Star Wars.
Golden rule: It is only a war crime if you lose the war.
You missed the one where saw wanted to kill the last Geonosian and take the queen egg.
Its a serious war crime (genocide or purging of a species,very bad because they are sentient)
*epic heroic music plays up*
@@asliceofcheese7152they deserve it fr.
They terrorised the clones
War crimes are epik -Random 14 yr old
I remember when I commented on this video a while ago, still doing great as i like to see! Keep it up.
It would seem the Jedi have the same understanding of the phrase “don’t kill” as Batman
This man just accused some wolves of a war crime
To be fair those wolves were being led by Kanan, so it counts
Trained dogs do count as combatants i guess
Or an extension of the combatant that controls them
Trained dog does not because they are animals they would probally do savage things as any animal would do but they are trained but even if they are trained they would give alot of pain because of their teeths so yeah no war crimes
@@omegasupreme2200 Kanan's consciousness was literally inside the alpha wolf. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing.
@@wholesome_masochist4113 but they are animals bruh
In the first episode, I remember Kallus killing his own stormtrooper, by kicking him down a canyon, just for stating "Was that your first jedi, sir?"
I was a bit disturbed at how lightly that was done, and even more so in how it was presented. Especially as Kallus became Fulcrum later.
I do not know if it is a war crime if you do not do it to the enemy, but your own soldier. Regardless, I dislike how 1: Kallus killed him without good cause. 2: The thing was portrayed as being funny.
Yes, there are a lot of scenes in Star Wars and other media with officers executing their own. Grevious, Vader, etc. But the Gevioud was killing mostly droids(Who are less humanlike), and was a monstrous being to begin with. Vader in Empire Strikes Back was portrayed as a monster when he did so, without it being comedy. (Yes, Vader was redeemed later, but at the time of the killing he was terrible.)
The point I am making is that when an officer kills their own, it is a tragedy, regardless of which side they are on. I understand that when you have truly evil villains they may do that. However, Kallus would later be portayed as "not so bad after all." Misguided rather then evil. A believer in the ultimate good of the Empire. He did not help the Empire by killing his own man. The best reason I can think of is that he lost control of his temper, and that is a very bad reason to give for murder.
(Yes, in some situations a case can be made in which mental stress and anger may serve as mitigating factors for violent crimes, like when two people fight and in the rush of things the winner keeps beating the loser. Or if someone has been tortured by a sadist and kills the torturer afterwards. Not remotely the case here. First, if such a small remark can cause you to lose control in a stressful situation and kill someone, you shouldn't be walking the streets, let alone serving the military. Also, the situation of having enemy soldiers get away (as happened here) does not qualify as stressful enough on the same level as fearing for your life, or tortured by a criminal. Furthermore, the trooper only made a snippy remark, without a causal link to the bad event. Violence because of anger towards a person that caused you harm is bad enough. But violence towards innocent bystanders because you are angry is even worse.)
It could count as friendly killing without a reason.
This means, that kallus did in fact commit friendly fire.
While tho friendly fire in a whole isn't really a war crime. It is a war crime if you do it without a reason or intentional.
That scene always disturbed me too. That stormtrooper didn't deserve such an awful fate. Having an officer, someone you trust, someone you should be able to look to for leadership and guidance, commit actual murder because someone made a joke in a military that is very undisciplined is just horrific no matter how you look at it. And for Kallus to be revealed as "not actually a bad guy" later on made no sense.
Kanen threw a trooper out of window
UNECESSARY KILLING
Nah fam, that defenestration was 10000% necessary.
He could have thrown him against the wall to knock him out
@@thelastbrickbender2139 But what would the point be in that? Defenestration is sooo much more fun, and sends a stronger message.
Zeldagigafan uhhhhhmmmm, can’t argue with that
Remember, the Hundred Years War started because of Defenestration.
@@kabob0077 It was the Thirty Years war, but right none the less about a war starting due to a defenestration.
dude whenever i watch these im like “ wait isn’t that a war crime” yep
to be fair, you can't charge wolves with war crimes, and droids are sort of a gray area. Also some of this may fall more under espionage than war, not sure if the rules still apply. Is mind-tricking a walker technically masking as the enemy? I don't think the Geneva convention covers many different uses of the force...
Still, even with those caveats, there's a lot here.
Espionage is only legal if the spy only does their job of.. well, spying as long they don't kill any enemies while wearing their uniform.
Also, Ezra wasn't tricking the walker, he was tricking the pilot inside that walker. I don't think it counts as false flag but it's still a serious war crime of coercing an unwilling hostage to commit unethical actions (shooting his own comrades) and forced suicide.
Shooting fleeing or retreating enemies isn’t a war crime.
A person is hors de combat if:
“(a) he is in the power of an adverse Party;
(b) he clearly expresses an intention to surrender; or
(c) he has been rendered unconscious or is otherwise incapacitated by wounds or sickness, and therefore is incapable of defending himself;
provided that in any of these cases he abstains from any hostile act and does not attempt to escape.”
Protocol I to the Geneva Convention
Under Article 8(2)(b)(vi) of the 1998 ICC Statute, “[k]illing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion” is a war crime in international armed conflicts. Oh would you look at that it is a war crime
Vod Kinockers that’s still technically not a war crime if they are retreating. It just says if they are defenseless and run then you can’t shoot them. Of course you both are right about certain situations. If they had a gun while running then it’s not a war crime but if they don’t then it is
@@PHATB0Y20 No. that’s not what that means. Fleeing is a means of defending yourself. What that is saying is that it is a war crime to kill someone who is incapacitated or who has surrendered.
Attacking fleeing combatants, even those who are unarmed, is permitted because when the combatant has fled back to their army they can gather new arms.
In real life both sides of the two biggests wars in human history did just that, so it should not be an war crime BUT if the person its surrending giving up their guns its an war crime BUTT (lulz) if your squad or your brothers in the army are killing ppl that are surrendering its probally not and is an war crime
I’m surprised the Bendu didn’t get a count for weaponizing the weather.
It kind of pisses me of how, Thrawn is completely out of character to his original self, in rebels. And with this video, just makes it more obvious how much Thrawn, isn't Thrawn anymore.
Yeah thrawn would not attack a city like that, not exactly his style.
Indiscriminate destruction of Imperial property and massacre of civilians? No shit.
Why the fuck did you expect him to be exactly like he was in Legends?
@@captainlastreo5160 cuz he was so well written, and expanded on, that i really thought that he needed no change to come to Canon.
Also a little too late to comment eh.
Gotta love how that one time in Season 3 episode 1 is the ONLY time it's portrayed as being kinda fucked up when the Rebels do it, the rest of the time it's all good
"You're not a war criminal if there's no more military to judge you."
- Dr Coomer, Half-Life VR but the AI is Self-Aware
When you start listing the war crimes the rebels do it kinda makes you stop rooting for them 😂
@Κώστας Παπαναστασίου Yea just what I did, long live the Empire
Empire for life..😏
Rebels looked more like a kids show than clone wars but it still had its rather adult moments. Also Ezra dark side moments were awesome.
"Wait, it's all war crimes?"
"Always has been." *Hors de Combat*
"Masking as enemy" is probably the most common war crime when there are double agents, spies, deep cover/undercover and moles...at least in the movies
To my understanding that part is only limited to disguising, then attacking directly. Spying and sabotaging orders for example are "allowed"
It is ok if you're not using it to kill enemys.
Finally someone has done this compilation, THANK YOU.
You're welcome
Now back to killing rebel scum
The clone part doesn’t count because they are imperial property.
So use of slave soldiers?
Commander SFO I guess so
They're also artificially aged up, does that mean they also count as child soldiers?
@@kabob0077 I heard that this didn't affect them mentally, so yeah, probably.
@kabob 007 the star wars galaxy has a lot of different age ranges for a huge variety of species. And since clones are technically not a natural part of there species anymore, i guess they do count as mature. Also clones have no rights in this universe and are treated like droids, so no one would care anyways. I think the usage of intelligent clones was even illegal in the republic, making the use of the clone army a huge political nightmare.
I must protest that the signal tower counts as "unnecessary destruction" in the context of the asymmetrical warfare going on. Great compilation, all the same!
This makes the series feel a bit more realistic, as a small rebellion fighting the government, it would be expect of them to do some underhanded stuff.
Geneva convention: *exists*
Darth Vader: "I find your lack of *fun* disturbing!"
"distrurbing"
@@gabeseyfriedbuthedoesntkno7011 thanks 👍
Basically everyone in Star Wars commits war crimes.