It really depends on the combo. Cubes don't do alot for you if you don't have the combo to take advantage of it. The tq will be better regardless though. That tfs3 cam isn't the best for this combo imo. A custom ground make a pretty decent difference imo. There are alot of factors.
@@midnight347 I was thinking the same thing, that the cam might be holding this engine back maybe? Isn't the Trickflow R intake meant to shine above 5K RPM? But yeah, like you said, there are alot of factors that affect the characteristics of the power output
@christopherw7648- The biggest reason for the Lower than expected power( peak Hp was @ 5k=😒😢)= this intake, followed by the small cam, and the last reason is the low flowing/cfm exh. System. They would pick up a lot going to a Box R upper, + have Big Dog's do a full stage 2 ported upper, Lower, spacer, and 90mm Tb= ALL ported. Get a Tfs stage 5 Hyd. Roller cam, followed by Big Dog's high flow stainless steel headers, and mufflers= Awesome combo!
@@joecruz03That upper intake does not work as well as the Box R, from 3k on up to 7k! Heck all of the dyno tests ive seen, the Tfs street Burner, and track Heat both outperform this upper intake/combo. Most people think the Box R upper is only for high Rpm, but it does really well even down @ 3k Rpm!
I think id cry if I built a 393 and that's all it made. And peak power at 5k? My dad and I put together a 351 and we shifted it at 7500 I do believe (it's been some years ago). Never got it dyno'd with its final build but it was fast enough to run 9's in a Ranger with nitrous. Absolute blast to drive :)
Good power made for off the shelf "not over the top" parts!! Sure there is alot of room for more power ; always will be but it will never be apples to apples...the more we make , the more it cost to exceed that!! the 1st 450 hp is a ton less $$ than the next 150 - 200 hp esp in a N/A build!! BTW , Ill be calling monday...I need that complete serpentine set - up for my 434 SBF😉
Nice man I just built a 408w with afr 205s tfs stage 5 cam super victor efi intake with holley elbow and 10.92:1 compression. Its going in my 86 fox and will be hitting the dyno this week im hoping to see near your numbers if not a little higher if i hit 500 wheel that would be sick.
@@ChungusBoi69 Gonna be a beast on such light cars y'all got there.. How streetable are those cams tho, n is boost expected in the future with that compression??
@@P71ScrewHead these cams are fairly streetable nothing too crazy also with it being hyd roller it makes things easier too. Boost is not expected for a while on this build, just wanted to build a nasty n/a 408 to tear up the streets with
@@ChungusBoi69 No cold start issues?? I got mild cams on my 4.6L 2v n if I try to start the car n move it right away, it stalls.. Talk about cam life..lol
What a beauty 😍 How I wish, I lived near you guys, and had a way to pay you all to help restore to stock, my old 2.3L '87, manual transmission, hatchback. I love old blue, and have been teaching our 3 daughters(12, 8 and 5 yrs old) about care, maintenance, repair and restoration on her. I loaned it to my nephew, during his high school years, and he tried to make it look like a 5.0, and tried to get some power out of it, by changing the stock air filter to a K&N air filter system, and tried changing the tuning. He gave it a 5.0 body kit, and scoops on the hood. Then, he lost control of the back end,, and torn off the front bumper on a tree.. Now, I have a lot of work to do. 😊😅
It's a stellar drivers car. Build it, drive it, love it. This combo would be near perfect for a 351. Since you asked about power, the intake port/valves are too small for this combination. A quick fix would be the Box R upper manifold and 1.7 intake rockers on the mild ramp rates and too wide lobe separation of that cam, and change to .650 lift springs. You wouldn't even have to pull the heads off to do this. Simply put, you built a larger version of the Ford Catalog 330 HP 302 GT40 engine. Ford has always gone too small on the heads and compensated with more camshaft. Chevy figured this out 25 years ago when they built the LS series. Bigger port, bigger valve, smaller cam. I copied their design philosophy with my 408W. It made 607 HP @ 6500 and 546 TQ @ 5200, and had 14 inches of vacuum idling smooth @ 800 RPM like a Camry.
@5ohJ probably yes. I used Edelbrock 7721 heads. 355 cfm @ .600 with 2.125 valves, and Engine Masters competitors went up to 2.19. A bigger stroke demands more cfm at low to mid lift when there's a greater draw at the valve due to higher piston speed.
That's pretty weak numbers for that much displacement in my opinion. Especially with the expensive trickflow parts. Those are cam only LS1 numbers with a 347 displacement. Car looks and sounds great though.
Awesome build, thanks for sharing! A slightly larger cam and maybe a Box-R intake would give more on the top end. Could potentially run closer to 12:1 on the compression assuming you're using at least 91 octane gas (but with how well built the engine is I definitely wouldn't tear it apart to swap pistons). Very cool car, great results.
As long as whoever owns it is happy, those numbers are fine I guess. My 12-1, solid roller 393 made 626 on a Superflow engine dyno N/A and I wasn’t happy, lol. It would probably make somewhere in the neighborhood of 550-575 wheel now.
Nice cruiser for sure! My 83 coupe has a 410 with a Lunati .600 lift cam 241/249 @ .050. 12:1 compression. Super victor intake 850 brawler made 499 rwhp and 490-foot pounds at 6000 rpm.
Beautiful car. My little vortec powered 302 made 497hp and 499 torque to the wheels on bad plugs, and has way much more potential to make more with adjustments. 11r190 comp heads, track heat intake, TFS stage 2 cam, 80lb injectors, V1 T-trim
Definitely a bit low. I wouldve thought minimum 450 rwhp. Now I had more cam,super victor carb intake,850 demon carb,AFR 225 heads but 10.75:1 compression on my last 427ci windsor. Full exhaust with 1 3/4 long tubes,3" Dr Gas X pipe and Mac 3" catback with tailpipes. Made 545 rwhp/519 rwtq though a Tremec TKO.
You had a much better setup. More displacement much better and bigger heads prob more compression and a better cam setup. Also your intake setup was better. The cubes don't do much without the combo to take advantage of it.
I owned a 90 notchback and I wish mine looked this good, IMO hands down one of if not the best looking Fox body notchback I have seen to date! Perfect wheel stance, love the wheels that you chose, normally not a fan of those hoods but dang that looks good and love the interior. Higher torque than HP means there’s a restriction somewhere, if ai were to guess its the Intake. That cam even in a 393ci should making peak power well past 5,000 rpm. Still if you ever want to sell that car let me know!
Great looking foxbody. Got to love them Windsors!! I’m running 393 Clevo with Holley efi in my XY in aus was able to push out 445hp at wheels so they are close in the end.
those numbers are about right. my na 408 made 410/420. afr 185 heads xfi236 same intake 75mm tb. same injectors same pro m system. the intake is made for torque, not hp that thing is a handful on the street.
Feel like this thing is a great driver car but should be making damn near 100hp more. Max hp at 5k is no bueno. Put a Anderson cam in it and let it sing and some straight through mufflers and a intake and I bet it picks up 100 hp. Way to nice of heads to only make 386. Can damn near make that on some nice 302 set ups
My 94 mustang has a 331, blueprint heads, 10.2 to1 comp, 224, 234 @.050 cam, edel perf rpm2 efi intake, 75mm tb 30lbs injs, full exhaust and 373 gears, it made 368hp and 398tq at the rear wheels. Dyno is on my RUclips and Tiktok.
Your setup optimizes 331 cubes this one don't even come close to optimizing 393 cubes and something is up over 5k it peaked at 5 gaurantee yours didn't lol. All these things are a bug factor combined.
Very nice that's the right amount of hp and tq I want for my 90 lx I'm looking to get a 351w if I get it I will definitely consider stroking it out to a 393
Prob both the cam and intake ain't optimal either and the heads could be larger too honestly there is a ton of power left in this engine with the right combo
It's all in the combo. Cubes don't automatically make power you gotta have the combo to take advantage of it. Gaurantee you wasn't peaking at 5k rpm either lol.
I think they have some valve float ...look at that curve or they need to port that intake those heads will support way more power and they have plenty cubes ....im confused!!
@LateModelRestoration- This combo would pick up a lot from changing a few thing's, #1 Get a Box R upper, and have Big Dog's do a stage 2 fully ported= the upper, Lower, spacer if used, and 90mm throttle body, (YES ALL OF THESE THINGS MUST BE PORTED BY BIG DOGS ALL TOGETHER TO MAXIMIZE RESULTS) plus use their hi flow filter, + Anderson's 4" power pipe. #2 Tfs stage (5) Hyd. Roller camshaft. #3 Big Dogs stainless steel High Flow headers= approx. 700 cfm vs your Bbk= approx. 400 cfm. #4 Big Dogs stainless steel High Flow 3" muffler's= approx. 700 cfm vs flowmaster/jones full boar type mufflers approx. 350 cfm. Prob. Pick up 75Hp to the tire, so 450 ish, plus more Tq!?
My sbf 347 made 551.5 at 6800 rpm around 455 tq at 4800 on the engine dyno. Custom camshaft but Chinese afr heads mostly port matched to intake and exhaust 10.7 to 1 compression ratio on 93 pump gas. Holley ultra xp 750 carb. 1 3/4 headers. Cam did have .615 lift. Nothing is crazy or custom. Enjoyed the video though thank you.
@@shanegriffith7838that is at 6800 rpm. This one is peaking at 5k. Clearly something ain't right. The combo ain't close to optimal and if you made that power yours must have been a pretty damn good setup you are peaking 1800 rpm higher that is significant
1800 rpm is but that combo should be better. Bes built it and port matched it. Scat stuff icon pistons. They balanced it nuts. Afr 185 cast heads. Did a custom cam. I don’t remember specs but it was on the aggressive side. Idles at 1000 ish. Max torque at 4800 455ftlbs. It’s definitely more than a 302 ever was lol. Just thought a 393 would make more.
Look at the afrs and check the timing. If you give it all the fuel and timing and it’s still not picking up the cam may be over advanced. It’s making diesel numbers down low. With that big a cam it shouldn’t be falling off at 5000 though. Even with 393 cubes.
Does it buck talking off with the 90mm throttle body? Also is that a mustang dyno or a dyno jet? Either way nice build that car would love a 150 shot of N2O!
What about the tuning? The efficiency of a combination can be checked out by it's peak rwtq. I'd expect a well built 393 to have peak torque over 450rwtq, if it's low i'd look at tuning or a restriction. The heads are good for 600HP. Cam could be bigger with more lift, but it's fine. TFSR Intake should "flow" enough but what power band does it support? What's your Air fuel curve look like? Also everything shuts down super early. I'd expect a power peak north of 5500 RPM.
That 393 definitely should be making way more power somewhere in the 800-1000hp range easy maybe a precision 90mm turbo that one3 is definitely restricting it
I'm working on collecting parts for a 351W swap in my 85 cougar. 351W efi intakes are getting rare and ridiculously expensive when you do find them.....I didn't see a listing on your website for 351W manifolds. Where did you source the trick flow lower from?
Just wondering why the max hp was at 5k and not closer to 6k rpms. Why is the power dropping off? I would think the intake and throttle body could support the rpm for the cid 🤔 could it possibly need a bigger head?
Seems a few Ppl in the comments feel the car should make more pwr than it did, I've been planning on putting that same combo in my SN95. Would you put a pwr adder on top of the setup or no???
347 Terminater x EFI Boss block same TF-R intake 75 mm tb 10:1cr F cam Ford racing Z heads through an AOD put down 360hp-370tq na 93 pump. Converter is wrong for my setup.
Decent torque number but something's obviously wrong because the HP curve drops from only 5000rpm. That engine should be making ~400rwhp at closer to 5800rpm. Dialed in properly, this would be a great street engine.
All these experts in the comments don't see that though lol. They're all telling us about how their cam only ls1 made 380. It prob didn't make 410 tq and I gaurantee it wasn't peaking at 5k rpm
My Dart SHP Block 363 makes far better power (Fordstrokers Built) almost everything else in your build is comperable.Curious I would've thought with 30 extra cubes you'd at least make as much. Still, that's a sexy little Fox you have there and sounds pissed off. I like it.
~450hp crank hp from 393 isn’t super amazing but it’s decent. There’s a bottle neck in this combo. My guess is a custom cam and box r intake manifold would put it over 400whp
It's peaking at 5k clearly something is off. Cubes don't automatically make power you gotta have supporting mods and the combo to take advantage of the cubes. Idk why people don't understand this
@@midnight347 I don't know why you're reading into it so deep. Of course, cubes don't mean power, but any 351 stroker or not, with 185cc or larger heads should easily make 500 flywheel. I don't support 95% of the EFI intakes and it could use a stage 4 or 5 trick flow cam if you're still staying off the shelf. Doesn't make up for how much it's down on.
Don't those numbers seem low for the the displacement? About 20 years ago you could buy a complete Holley Systemax II set that could make about 370 HP on a stock 5.0L bottom end. Does anyone remember that set up? It came with heads, intake, and cam. They guaranteed it to make 350 HP and with a change in the cam to a lunati cam you had 373 HP.
We like it. The software took a little getting used to, but after that it was smooth sailing. It's on the expensive side of things, but in most cases you get what you pay for. -Landan
with the pro m, you definitely get what you pay for. I have the system for 10 years now. I cant tell you how many engine combinations I've used with it.
People all bragging about horsepower numbers but none of these cars running a big stalled th400. Big stalled th400 will destroy any stick car. My fuel injected 438windsor 68 mustang made 505wheel through a big stalled th400 and runs 9.90. If i ran a manual i would make 560wheel but car would be way slower. Believe me horsepower numbers dont tell the entire truth. And my car is a pure street car by the way. Big stalled th400 will annihilate any stick car guaranteed. Getting a Novi2k soon. Car only weighs 3k lbs. The launch is insane with 4k stall converter and full manual th400.
From the video description: 393ci Engine w/ ~50 Miles Trickflow 11R 205CC Cylinder Heads (11:1 compression ratio) Trickflow Stage 3 Camshaft Trickflow "R" Intake 90mm Throttle Body Pro-M Engine Management System Pro-M Mass Air Meter 47lb Injectors SVE Fuel System BBK 1-3/4" Long Tube Headers Full 3" Custom Exhaust Tremec 3550 Transmission (4th gear pull is 1:1) Aluminum Driveshaft 3.55 Rear Gear 18" SVE Drag Comp Wheel w/ 285/35/18 Tires 93 Octane Fuel
I like Pro-M's stuff. Pricey, but it works. As far as "tuning solution", I'm not sure what you mean. The software that you download allows you to tune the car yourself. For more info, check out Pro-M's website. -Landan
lord how much does he have in that motor least 4k id throw a 6.0 ls 450 out the box for 1kthrow a 88 on it 700 hp no problem and would last we all know a 302 will split in half at 450 500 they say 600 for 3 or 4 passes
They didn't pick parts to optimize the potential of the cubes. The cubes don't do much for you without the combo to take advantage of it. After all these years people are surprised by this lol
That hp/torque is low for the amount of money spent on that setup. We have customers making over 400whp on basic 347s and 363s with our stage 3 ported Cobra and Explorer Gt40 manifolds and our stainless steel shorty headers.
I thought that would make a lot more than that to the wheels.
Me as well, was thinking at least 425hp with same tq if not more
It really depends on the combo. Cubes don't do alot for you if you don't have the combo to take advantage of it. The tq will be better regardless though. That tfs3 cam isn't the best for this combo imo. A custom ground make a pretty decent difference imo. There are alot of factors.
@@midnight347 I was thinking the same thing, that the cam might be holding this engine back maybe? Isn't the Trickflow R intake meant to shine above 5K RPM? But yeah, like you said, there are alot of factors that affect the characteristics of the power output
@christopherw7648- The biggest reason for the Lower than expected power( peak Hp was @ 5k=😒😢)= this intake, followed by the small cam, and the last reason is the low flowing/cfm exh. System. They would pick up a lot going to a Box R upper, + have Big Dog's do a full stage 2 ported upper, Lower, spacer, and 90mm Tb= ALL ported. Get a Tfs stage 5 Hyd. Roller cam, followed by Big Dog's high flow stainless steel headers, and mufflers= Awesome combo!
@@joecruz03That upper intake does not work as well as the Box R, from 3k on up to 7k! Heck all of the dyno tests ive seen, the Tfs street Burner, and track Heat both outperform this upper intake/combo. Most people think the Box R upper is only for high Rpm, but it does really well even down @ 3k Rpm!
I think id cry if I built a 393 and that's all it made. And peak power at 5k?
My dad and I put together a 351 and we shifted it at 7500 I do believe (it's been some years ago).
Never got it dyno'd with its final build but it was fast enough to run 9's in a Ranger with nitrous. Absolute blast to drive :)
Peak power at 5 shows the combo isn't optimal at all.
That poor 393 is choked up.
Good power made for off the shelf "not over the top" parts!! Sure there is alot of room for more power ; always will be but it will never be apples to apples...the more we make , the more it cost to exceed that!! the 1st 450 hp is a ton less $$ than the next 150 - 200 hp esp in a N/A build!! BTW , Ill be calling monday...I need that complete serpentine set - up for my 434 SBF😉
Very Nice Build 😎. I managed 475 rwhp/486 rwtq with my 408 with the same intake/TB and heads. My camshaft is probably a lot more aggressive.
Nice man I just built a 408w with afr 205s tfs stage 5 cam super victor efi intake with holley elbow and 10.92:1 compression. Its going in my 86 fox and will be hitting the dyno this week im hoping to see near your numbers if not a little higher if i hit 500 wheel that would be sick.
@@ChungusBoi69 Gonna be a beast on such light cars y'all got there.. How streetable are those cams tho, n is boost expected in the future with that compression??
Do you have a video of that dyno pull?
@@P71ScrewHead these cams are fairly streetable nothing too crazy also with it being hyd roller it makes things easier too. Boost is not expected for a while on this build, just wanted to build a nasty n/a 408 to tear up the streets with
@@ChungusBoi69 No cold start issues?? I got mild cams on my 4.6L 2v n if I try to start the car n move it right away, it stalls.. Talk about cam life..lol
I like the notchback coupe!
Y’all should do a Dyno Day at LMR for customers, I would pay to do that! 🦊
Me too , but that ride from Virginia would Kill Me 😬
What a beauty 😍
How I wish, I lived near you guys, and had a way to pay you all to help restore to stock, my old 2.3L '87, manual transmission, hatchback. I love old blue, and have been teaching our 3 daughters(12, 8 and 5 yrs old) about care, maintenance, repair and restoration on her.
I loaned it to my nephew, during his high school years, and he tried to make it look like a 5.0, and tried to get some power out of it, by changing the stock air filter to a K&N air filter system, and tried changing the tuning. He gave it a 5.0 body kit, and scoops on the hood. Then, he lost control of the back end,, and torn off the front bumper on a tree.. Now, I have a lot of work to do. 😊😅
Nice car. Never been a fan of waiting around for boost while a nice na built motor just instantly scoots away from neck cracking throttle response
It's a stellar drivers car. Build it, drive it, love it. This combo would be near perfect for a 351. Since you asked about power, the intake port/valves are too small for this combination. A quick fix would be the Box R upper manifold and 1.7 intake rockers on the mild ramp rates and too wide lobe separation of that cam, and change to .650 lift springs. You wouldn't even have to pull the heads off to do this. Simply put, you built a larger version of the Ford Catalog 330 HP 302 GT40 engine. Ford has always gone too small on the heads and compensated with more camshaft. Chevy figured this out 25 years ago when they built the LS series. Bigger port, bigger valve, smaller cam. I copied their design philosophy with my 408W. It made 607 HP @ 6500 and 546 TQ @ 5200, and had 14 inches of vacuum idling smooth @ 800 RPM like a Camry.
Would afr 220s be a better head for this set up?
@5ohJ probably yes. I used Edelbrock 7721 heads. 355 cfm @ .600 with 2.125 valves, and Engine Masters competitors went up to 2.19. A bigger stroke demands more cfm at low to mid lift when there's a greater draw at the valve due to higher piston speed.
That's pretty weak numbers for that much displacement in my opinion. Especially with the expensive trickflow parts. Those are cam only LS1 numbers with a 347 displacement. Car looks and sounds great though.
I think it's the heads. I would have went with a 220 instead of a 205.
@@andrewbooher1106 those heads can make well over 500hp NA I think a custom cam and box r intake would be the ticket
You right
@@Bacongrease00 yeah that's true
Very true. I cammed my LS1 and it made 382 hp to the wheels with shorty headers and 3 inch exhaust! Beautiful car though!
I really like that build!
I like the notchback power!!!
Awesome build, thanks for sharing! A slightly larger cam and maybe a Box-R intake would give more on the top end. Could potentially run closer to 12:1 on the compression assuming you're using at least 91 octane gas (but with how well built the engine is I definitely wouldn't tear it apart to swap pistons). Very cool car, great results.
As long as whoever owns it is happy, those numbers are fine I guess. My 12-1, solid roller 393 made 626 on a Superflow engine dyno N/A and I wasn’t happy, lol. It would probably make somewhere in the neighborhood of 550-575 wheel now.
No way would you make 570wheel with a big stalled th400. Maybe 500wheel but your car will be way faster than any stick
Nice cruiser for sure! My 83 coupe has a 410 with a Lunati .600 lift cam 241/249 @ .050. 12:1 compression. Super victor intake 850 brawler made 499 rwhp and 490-foot pounds at 6000 rpm.
That compression really helps and you have more cubes and bet5er cam. What kind of fuel you running?
A mix of 93 and 110@@midnight347
Beautiful car. My little vortec powered 302 made 497hp and 499 torque to the wheels on bad plugs, and has way much more potential to make more with adjustments. 11r190 comp heads, track heat intake, TFS stage 2 cam, 80lb injectors, V1 T-trim
Dude foreal I thought that 393 would make something like 800easy
Yea but you ran a manual. A big stalled th400 would drop you to 440wheel but your car would be way faster
Beautiful car. Terrible numbers for a 393!!!
Probably one of my favorite sounding foxes too!
Great car me personally I'm working on a 351w stock bottom Dss pistons 88m turbo
The turbo also gets hot like hell
That car is so gorgeous!!! I’d love to add a Notch to my garage..
Beautiful build
Clean and strong notch. Turning on the parking lights during dyno runs always adds 5hp ;)
Definitely a bit low. I wouldve thought minimum 450 rwhp. Now I had more cam,super victor carb intake,850 demon carb,AFR 225 heads but 10.75:1 compression on my last 427ci windsor. Full exhaust with 1 3/4 long tubes,3" Dr Gas X pipe and Mac 3" catback with tailpipes. Made 545 rwhp/519 rwtq though a Tremec TKO.
You had a much better setup. More displacement much better and bigger heads prob more compression and a better cam setup. Also your intake setup was better. The cubes don't do much without the combo to take advantage of it.
TFS 11r 205 make 550-600 HP on well built 408ci. @@midnight347
I owned a 90 notchback and I wish mine looked this good, IMO hands down one of if not the best looking Fox body notchback I have seen to date! Perfect wheel stance, love the wheels that you chose, normally not a fan of those hoods but dang that looks good and love the interior.
Higher torque than HP means there’s a restriction somewhere, if ai were to guess its the Intake. That cam even in a 393ci should making peak power well past 5,000 rpm.
Still if you ever want to sell that car let me know!
Great looking foxbody. Got to love them Windsors!! I’m running 393 Clevo with Holley efi in my XY in aus was able to push out 445hp at wheels so they are close in the end.
Very nice car and man it sounds good
Omg yessssssssssssssss❤
those numbers are about right. my na 408 made 410/420. afr 185 heads xfi236 same intake 75mm tb. same injectors same pro m system. the intake is made for torque, not hp that thing is a handful on the street.
My old notch had a DSS 393 with an 850 carb sounded amazing
What a awesome build, maybe some slight tweaks, but pretty much it's awesome like it is.
Those jones sound awesome. My 2nd favorite behind the MAC flowpaths
Wow super clean engine bay...very nice
Feel like this thing is a great driver car but should be making damn near 100hp more. Max hp at 5k is no bueno. Put a Anderson cam in it and let it sing and some straight through mufflers and a intake and I bet it picks up 100 hp. Way to nice of heads to only make 386. Can damn near make that on some nice 302 set ups
It would be cool to see the turbo kit on this engine to see what it can do. Not sure if this engine is build to handle boost or not though.
Sweet car. I am getting rid of my FBO 13 GT premium convertible which makes me want to cry. Makes 425 rwhp.
Why getting rid of it, going coupe?? lol..
Perfection 🎉
No Doubt. NA old school built Foxbody still sounds the best. An I have owned 12 built Foxbody’s
Great video Ford powered forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it
My 94 mustang has a 331, blueprint heads, 10.2 to1 comp, 224, 234 @.050 cam, edel perf rpm2 efi intake, 75mm tb 30lbs injs, full exhaust and 373 gears, it made 368hp and 398tq at the rear wheels. Dyno is on my RUclips and Tiktok.
Your setup optimizes 331 cubes this one don't even come close to optimizing 393 cubes and something is up over 5k it peaked at 5 gaurantee yours didn't lol. All these things are a bug factor combined.
Very nice that's the right amount of hp and tq I want for my 90 lx I'm looking to get a 351w if I get it I will definitely consider stroking it out to a 393
Go 408 or 427W.. Don't fear going bigger..
A buddy of mine’s 347 trick flow top end through an aod made 420 wheel
That girl would be fun as hell to drive.
393 is not happy after 5k,lack of fuel or valve springs?
Prob both the cam and intake ain't optimal either and the heads could be larger too honestly there is a ton of power left in this engine with the right combo
Respectfully, you guys are missing 100hp at the tire. My hyd roller pump gas 347 with trick flow heads made 425 at the tire….
It's all in the combo. Cubes don't automatically make power you gotta have the combo to take advantage of it. Gaurantee you wasn't peaking at 5k rpm either lol.
@@midnight347 that’s another problem in itself… that engine should be peaking 1000+ rpm higher with the parts listed..
Great build.
I think they have some valve float ...look at that curve or they need to port that intake those heads will support way more power and they have plenty cubes ....im confused!!
WOW SHE IS GORGEOUS!!!!! That's a bad mother.
@LateModelRestoration- This combo would pick up a lot from changing a few thing's, #1 Get a Box R upper, and have Big Dog's do a stage 2 fully ported= the upper, Lower, spacer if used, and 90mm throttle body, (YES ALL OF THESE THINGS MUST BE PORTED BY BIG DOGS ALL TOGETHER TO MAXIMIZE RESULTS) plus use their hi flow filter, + Anderson's 4" power pipe. #2 Tfs stage (5) Hyd. Roller camshaft. #3 Big Dogs stainless steel High Flow headers= approx. 700 cfm vs your Bbk= approx. 400 cfm. #4 Big Dogs stainless steel High Flow 3" muffler's= approx. 700 cfm vs flowmaster/jones full boar type mufflers approx. 350 cfm. Prob. Pick up 75Hp to the tire, so 450 ish, plus more Tq!?
My sbf 347 made 551.5 at 6800 rpm around 455 tq at 4800 on the engine dyno. Custom camshaft but Chinese afr heads mostly port matched to intake and exhaust 10.7 to 1 compression ratio on 93 pump gas. Holley ultra xp 750 carb. 1 3/4 headers. Cam did have .615 lift. Nothing is crazy or custom. Enjoyed the video though thank you.
How so? I was there for the session. It’s going in my drag car. BES did my build.
@@shanegriffith7838that is at 6800 rpm. This one is peaking at 5k. Clearly something ain't right. The combo ain't close to optimal and if you made that power yours must have been a pretty damn good setup you are peaking 1800 rpm higher that is significant
1800 rpm is but that combo should be better. Bes built it and port matched it. Scat stuff icon pistons. They balanced it nuts. Afr 185 cast heads. Did a custom cam. I don’t remember specs but it was on the aggressive side. Idles at 1000 ish. Max torque at 4800 455ftlbs. It’s definitely more than a 302 ever was lol. Just thought a 393 would make more.
Awesome!!!!!
I think that custom mid pipe is holding it back. Some of those bends looked pretty restrictive. A pair of cutouts on the header collector should help
Look at the afrs and check the timing. If you give it all the fuel and timing and it’s still not picking up the cam may be over advanced. It’s making diesel numbers down low. With that big a cam it shouldn’t be falling off at 5000 though. Even with 393 cubes.
Not enough S550 content to keep me interested. Dorry.
awesome car but ive been wondering, why don't yall sell the on3 turbo kit anymore?
Does it buck talking off with the 90mm throttle body? Also is that a mustang dyno or a dyno jet? Either way nice build that car would love a 150 shot of N2O!
My 393 in my fox made 413 wheel and 420 torque
Nice combination for the street.
The turbo combo would do better on the strip.
What about the tuning? The efficiency of a combination can be checked out by it's peak rwtq. I'd expect a well built 393 to have peak torque over 450rwtq, if it's low i'd look at tuning or a restriction.
The heads are good for 600HP. Cam could be bigger with more lift, but it's fine. TFSR Intake should "flow" enough but what power band does it support?
What's your Air fuel curve look like?
Also everything shuts down super early. I'd expect a power peak north of 5500 RPM.
That 393 definitely should be making way more power somewhere in the 800-1000hp range easy maybe a precision 90mm turbo that one3 is definitely restricting it
I would take a built N/A motor any day simply cuz I think it would be more fun for street driving.
Does this car have lowering springs on it?? If so which ones? This car is awesome and thanks for the videos!!
is that a 393 turbo I got a 398 w just wondering what kind of power I'm making I got GT40 heads on mine probably chocking it out don't know
I'm working on collecting parts for a 351W swap in my 85 cougar. 351W efi intakes are getting rare and ridiculously expensive when you do find them.....I didn't see a listing on your website for 351W manifolds. Where did you source the trick flow lower from?
Just wondering why the max hp was at 5k and not closer to 6k rpms. Why is the power dropping off? I would think the intake and throttle body could support the rpm for the cid 🤔 could it possibly need a bigger head?
Seems a few Ppl in the comments feel the car should make more pwr than it did, I've been planning on putting that same combo in my SN95. Would you put a pwr adder on top of the setup or no???
If you want more power then yes. You’ll need a little spray, low boost turbo, or supercharger to get there if you wanted more…
PD Supercharger all day.. n/a should be fun too tho..
What is 😢the deal , that should have made wayyyyyy more power 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢chassise dynos are a dieing breed , HUB DYNO is the future
347 Terminater x EFI Boss block same TF-R intake 75 mm tb 10:1cr F cam Ford racing Z heads through an AOD put down 360hp-370tq na 93 pump. Converter is wrong for my setup.
Decent torque number but something's obviously wrong because the HP curve drops from only 5000rpm. That engine should be making ~400rwhp at closer to 5800rpm. Dialed in properly, this would be a great street engine.
All these experts in the comments don't see that though lol. They're all telling us about how their cam only ls1 made 380. It prob didn't make 410 tq and I gaurantee it wasn't peaking at 5k rpm
My Dart SHP Block 363 makes far better power (Fordstrokers Built) almost everything else in your build is comperable.Curious I would've thought with 30 extra cubes you'd at least make as much. Still, that's a sexy little Fox you have there and sounds pissed off. I like it.
~450hp crank hp from 393 isn’t super amazing but it’s decent. There’s a bottle neck in this combo. My guess is a custom cam and box r intake manifold would put it over 400whp
post up your dyno bruh. bet that 393 made more down low than your high rev engine
If a 393/408 doesn't make 500 flywheel, it's a dud. Its very very easy to make 500 with that. Especially having 11r heads? 205 is enough for a na 393.
It's peaking at 5k clearly something is off. Cubes don't automatically make power you gotta have supporting mods and the combo to take advantage of the cubes. Idk why people don't understand this
@@midnight347 I don't know why you're reading into it so deep. Of course, cubes don't mean power, but any 351 stroker or not, with 185cc or larger heads should easily make 500 flywheel. I don't support 95% of the EFI intakes and it could use a stage 4 or 5 trick flow cam if you're still staying off the shelf. Doesn't make up for how much it's down on.
Bet with a big single plane, a holley elbow, and a little more fuel/timing .. it would hit 425 at the tire. .. .. bet
thats car needs a bit more timing. great build
nice.....
Don't those numbers seem low for the the displacement? About 20 years ago you could buy a complete Holley Systemax II set that could make about 370 HP on a stock 5.0L bottom end. Does anyone remember that set up? It came with heads, intake, and cam. They guaranteed it to make 350 HP and with a change in the cam to a lunati cam you had 373 HP.
Displacement doesn't automatically make power you gotta have the combo and supporting mods to take advantage of it and this one clearly doesn't.
@@midnight347 I agree. It is like thinking every tall black is a good ball player. Displacement just makes it easier.
If it anit a foxbody coupe i dont want it 😅
You should rename it Duddula
being that you guys have had the pro m system awhile, how do you like it?
We like it. The software took a little getting used to, but after that it was smooth sailing. It's on the expensive side of things, but in most cases you get what you pay for. -Landan
with the pro m, you definitely get what you pay for. I have the system for 10 years now. I cant tell you how many engine combinations I've used with it.
@@angry408w7 That's great! -Landan
People all bragging about horsepower numbers but none of these cars running a big stalled th400. Big stalled th400 will destroy any stick car. My fuel injected 438windsor 68 mustang made 505wheel through a big stalled th400 and runs 9.90. If i ran a manual i would make 560wheel but car would be way slower. Believe me horsepower numbers dont tell the entire truth. And my car is a pure street car by the way. Big stalled th400 will annihilate any stick car guaranteed. Getting a Novi2k soon. Car only weighs 3k lbs. The launch is insane with 4k stall converter and full manual th400.
It looks like mine except nice! LOL
Coyote swap ftw
What transmission and fuel and compression
From the video description:
393ci Engine w/ ~50 Miles
Trickflow 11R 205CC Cylinder Heads (11:1 compression ratio)
Trickflow Stage 3 Camshaft
Trickflow "R" Intake
90mm Throttle Body
Pro-M Engine Management System
Pro-M Mass Air Meter
47lb Injectors
SVE Fuel System
BBK 1-3/4" Long Tube Headers
Full 3" Custom Exhaust
Tremec 3550 Transmission (4th gear pull is 1:1)
Aluminum Driveshaft
3.55 Rear Gear
18" SVE Drag Comp Wheel w/ 285/35/18 Tires
93 Octane Fuel
Is pro M a good tuning solution?
I like Pro-M's stuff. Pricey, but it works. As far as "tuning solution", I'm not sure what you mean. The software that you download allows you to tune the car yourself. For more info, check out Pro-M's website. -Landan
Still has the dog bone on the rearend🙂
Snag a used 360 sprint car engine and be done with it or save for a 410
Your combo should easily be well over 500HP/500ft-lb
lord how much does he have in that motor least 4k id throw a 6.0 ls 450 out the box for 1kthrow a 88 on it 700 hp no problem and would last we all know a 302 will split in half at 450 500 they say 600 for 3 or 4 passes
How r you going to say its the best sounding engine ever and not let us here it rumble ???????????¿
We plan on getting exhaust clips of this car an uploading that video to the channel. -Landan
I wanted to hear it 😢
I am very disappointed at the weekly horsepower. It's not a good representation of the 351W Windsor engine family
Wow I was way off
What was wrong with it?
5000 rpm peak?
Sandbagging ? Lol
Put some nitrous be n/a and go from there 🏎️🏁🏁🏁😈 just saying
As others have said, those are very weak numbers for the money put into this build. Cool car otherwise, and I'm sure it's still fun to drive.
They didn't pick parts to optimize the potential of the cubes. The cubes don't do much for you without the combo to take advantage of it. After all these years people are surprised by this lol
Running low on power for a 393 set up
That hp/torque is low for the amount of money spent on that setup. We have customers making over 400whp on basic 347s and 363s with our stage 3 ported Cobra and Explorer Gt40 manifolds and our stainless steel shorty headers.
Do y'all tune cars? 🦊 🤍
No, we don't not offer any tuning services. Thanks. -Landan
393 limited to 5k rpm i rev my 393 to 8k fully forged internals n/a 90s windsor 351 block guarentee makes more power than that
Its low power i make more with 347 420 hp 412 tq to the rwd afr 185 xe 274
Those numbers are sad for a 393