Why did Greater Colombia Collapse?
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Why did Greater Colombia Collapse?
Numerous countries, unions, and sovereign states have risen and fallen over the many years of our history. One of these collapsed states is known by the name of Gran Colombia, or, “Greater Colombia”, and lasted from 1819 to only 1831.
Gran Colombia, which was at that time known simply as Colombia, was made up of today’s Republic of Colombia, Ecuador, Panama, and Venezuela, in addition to also including bits of both Peru and Brazil.
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If possible could you please make a video on chola empire.
Make a video on Indo-pak war 1971.
If you have invaded other people's lands, eventually those lands will be gone :)
Really nice 👍
A video on how and why all of Spain's American colonies rebelled against her (basically) at the same time, would be a great video I think. That is a topic that I don't know as much about as I should, and it something that I can't think of a single other RUclips channel covering. So it would be great for you to cover I think.
Venezuelan here, its funny how now Venezuelans and Colombians cry about its colapse but none of them want to give the first step to the reunification.
@César Arraut Si bueno, exceptuando la crisis circunstancial de venezuela, aunque esto es un sentimiento de las dos naciones antes de chavez o maduro
Reunification FOR WHAT!!!. Centralized power just only bring corruption and poverty.
@@panamahub Bolivar wanted a Centralist state, Venezuela is federal and Colombia is centralist
@@sorab0 HAHAHAHAHA good joke, I’m Venezuelan, Venezuela it’s not a federation
@@panamahub because both of our countries share the same interest and culture, it’s necessary to join the countries to cordinate the economy in order to produce prosperity to our people and become a powerful country
Greater Colombia could be an economic superpower today because it would have the Venezuelan oil and the Panama canal.
@SAKIB FAHIM Once oil was discovered it would be inevitable for strong countries to bring money, like what happened in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain. Then there would be enough money to build the canal.
@@dragosstanciu9866 eventually a compromise would have to be reached, but as the USA recedes from its role as the world policeman, and is only looking to keep influence over western Europe and the Monroe Doctrine, the Americans would probably shrug off all sanctions and double down on their position in the Americas
Even tho, we don't accept. We only unified to Gran Colombia just for a temporary protection, but we're never really wanted to be part of that. 🇵🇦
@@dragosstanciu9866 Unlikely. China and Russia couldn't intervene militarily even if they wanted to. They just don't have the military capacity to wage a war on such a global scale, especially against the current military superpower. The world is likely to back the USA in any international politics as well. The fact is this side of the world is America's backyard and everyone has to play ball. Allying themselves to another power would def be suicide in all types of ways. Economically, Politically, and Militarily. Besides, under this logic Brazil should be an economic super power today considering their impressive scale of resources. Yet their economy does not reflect that logic. Having Venezuelan oil and the panama canal would be a extremely beneficial but it isn't enough to challenge USA hegemony in any way.
@@dragosstanciu9866 In the 1800’s Columbia, wouldn’t have the resources or manpower to compete or compact the United States. Mexico tried at it's prime and they still slaughtered the Mexican armies, took control of Mexico city, and took annexed California, New Mexico, Arizona, etc. And oil wasn’t discovered and extracted from Venezuela until 1914 same with the rest of the middle east, by that time the U.S most likely would’ve already forcibly taken or bought the area for the canal long before a UN even existed.
As a Colombian, I can say this was the height of our country. Unfottunately, as it so often happens in our history, we crapped over it
More territorial extension or population =/= to development, quality of life and prosperity, after the dissolution, all the nations had their peaks and downside, being Venezuela in the deep hole they are now.
@Misericordia Central America seceded from Mexico long before Texas and the US were an issue.
The Spanish couldn't teach responsible governship to it's colonies, having never achieved it themselves, the main powers would never help these new countries unless there was profit to exploit.
@@Kealen69 they did, in fact the criollos had all the real power, in the cities, in the trade, like bureocrats... Spaniards only have a role as the governors and nothing more, in fact, previous to the independence, only Spain had build in America Universities, not Portugueses and England but the Spaniards. Blame to the local warlords after independence and their fever dreams of republics and federations.
@Misericordia Last time I checked Brazil not only maintained its territory after independence but also increased it.
Imagine how many pageant crowns would Gran Colombia win if it survived until today.
Who cares
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There was a time where the Mexican empire and gran Colombia where neighbors until both empire collapse. 🇲🇽🇨🇴
Yes the Mexican and Gran Colombia shared a border. Imagine during the Mexican-American war Gran Colombia would of been able to help with supplies and soldiers to hold Texas,California and other regions.
Mentiras, hombre.
@@TheColombiano89 Pa mi que hubiese habido guerra entre México y Colombia si hubiesen seguido siendo imperios.
@@TheColombiano89 and there was a time where they shared king and no borders.
Both lost a lot of territory... Fantastic management...
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Fun fact, the Dominican Republic tried to join Gran Columbia and it was denied entry because President Bolivar was friend with Haiti
The Haitians contributed supplies and men for the fight against Spain. This should not be forgotten. Cuba and Puerto Rico also wanted to join Gran Colombia!
Totally untrue. The Dominican Republic did not exist then. Only Haiti existed as an organized nation.
@@gerardpully762 Santo Domingo was a Spanish colony at the time and declared itself independent in 1821; a few months later, Haitian troops invaded
@@gerardpully762 The Dominican Republic existed even before the Haitians arrived on the island lol. It was just known as "Capitania Santo Domingo" the island was always known as "La Española" until the French and slaves came along and took their part of the island.
@@kevinfromsales9445 The same with Arizona, California, Texas and New Mexico, these states ALWAYS existed only that the territory was called Nueva España. You may SELL your ignorance to others.
Where is Brazil?
Kid points at map
Where is Mexico?
Kid points at map
Where is Gran Columbia?
Kid puts hand on heart
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@Danilo Mendes in our memories
*Colombia
:,v
COLOMBIA!!!! Is COLOMBIA WITH ''O''
I live in Colombia 🇨🇴 this was the height of our power. We would have the largest oil reserves in the world and the Panama Canal with a massive population.A shame it collapsed. Salute from Cartagena, Colombia.
Panama Canal was built by the US, and was among the few countries in the Western Hemisphere to be able do so. And oil in the region wouldn't be a thing until the 20th century. So its seriously questionable that Gran Colombia would be all that great. Just look at Brazil.
@@stephenjenkins7971 the U.S intervened and caused the break away of Panama from Colombia in 1903. The U.S is not the only country that can build a canal and investment obviously comes from all over the world. Oil was discovered in the 20th century and we are currently in the 21st century. Not sure what era you are referencing to not being great.
@@TheColombiano89 Yeah, and any country making such an investment wants control of it. None of the big powers would make such a canal without controlling it, look at the Suez Canal. So it either wouldn't exist, or would be controlled by a foreign power until morr modern times. And I was mentioning that and oil because for most of Gran Colombia's history, it would not have either. So a troubled history with weak institutions will likely still be a thing and likely shoot it's chances to be influential.
@@stephenjenkins7971 And the Suez Canal was made by the french, so? Most likely the US would've still funded the construction of the Panama canal. And I don't know if you know this but Venezuela had been one of the top oil producing countries in the world since WWII I think until very recently when Chavez bankrupted our whole oil industry, so yeah, at least in theory (which is all that we have, since it's literally a fictional country) the country had everything it needed to be great.
@@stephenjenkins7971even in its era Gran Colombia was influential as stated in the video the United States considered it one of the most powerful countries in the world. Not just mentioning oil you also have massive mineral mines,gold and silver just to name a few. It isn't a debate economically whether it would have the means. The canal is up for debate. Either way it would be under control but given it's size it would of been able to ward off colonial powers. You also had other nations such as Dominican Republic,Cuba and Puerto Rico wishing to join the union to name a few.
It looked like a Superpower in the making at the time. Access to both the Pacific and Atlantic oceans giving it a huge advantage in a very strategic part of the world, and having the vast and rich interior lands with unlimited resources, also controlling international trade via a canal in current day Panama would have made it very powerful.
Could have if US dad not threatened war on us if we did not give it up.
The obvious solution was the (forced) treaty/lease that Panama got for the canal. Yes, Colombia would have lost some image, but instead they lost Panama and that, in the end, was bad for everyone Colombia, Panama and the US because there is no unified front to overcome the nearly lawless south of Panama. It is a haven for opposition groups and terroristic thieves. Had Colombia been more willing to back down, they could have kept Panama. Today, they would be able to squeeze the bad guys from both sides instead of hoping Panama agrees to help do so.
@@juansenaranjo it was us or England, you got to try democracy
@@nothuman3083 No, you are wrong. Its a Plutocracy /Oligarchy from the elites that made deals since the independence with the British Empire. And the reality was that America for Americans was a policy not taken into effect to its fullest because British Empire and its double agents within US hasn't let the US have a clean democracy either. Decisions of the greatest hierarchy are done offshore in Europe for both US and Colombia. The British Empire was the one with the idea to keep the new world divided; once helped Colombia beat Spanish; they melded for the dissolution of what in its 20 years of existence since 1819 was called to be be the US forefathers the a world power, and such is the Colombia was supposed to be the Goddess that represented America and there is an Image of such Godess in one of the main government building of the United States, I believe it was the Capitol. In any case. Panama was considered a choke point early on the British Conception of Geopolitics. Such was the subduing case, that the President sit still and didn't move a finger while USA forces captured Panama and made a treaty with them. Remember that divide and conquer is the motto of the British Empire, you should know it for so many time it has been played to divide US. But in she end of the 19 century they figured the way of having the biggest economy with a white washed faced working on behalf of their economic and Geopolitical interests without having to suffer from the backlash from behaving as a bully. British Empire received was was before the Venetian Empire; that appeared as a secondary city state of commerce; but they ruled the World for almost 500 to 800 years being a central financial center and being a maritime power just as the British today. The Venetians created the Padua University, where they influenced the Scholastic Philosophy tradition, they controlled several Popes where the ones who caused the 100 years war for the Protestant Reformation just diving. The reason for it being France and Germany wanted to create a system of canals and railroads and would stop using their vessels and their sea insurance of commerce. They created the Bank of Holland and subsequently the Bank of England, and there was the start of the creation of the sovereign city of London. With time London received the people from Venice and Genova and the rich commerce peoples from Europe where they found safe havens for their money in their banks. To not go so far down the line, after the US revolution. Before that they took the sede of Division with a very though out plan to populate the altogether with the Portuguese mainly the Slavary in the South as insurance for need be the Union were to become very powerful. The French Revolution was pushed by British Agents that made the public go crazy for scarce food, and then created the vacuum of power that they filled with Napoleon, an asse developed by the British. The empire ruled in 20th century and created fake reason for WW1 or WW2 where massive amount of Americans died; while it was feasible for an independent US to stay out. They were both financed by same financial institutions on both sides.So its a circle of circles. Its a Roller Coaster, some times some good people come and they are heroes but the false feeling of knowing the news is something new the British have played very well ever since Gutenberg created the Print; and that last they used for the pamphlets used for the 100 years war. We are together in similar betrayal, but I would say your people has a great spirit and have given spirit to the US and the American dream.
Yes, and it would have more population then modern Ecuador+ Colombia+ Venezuela =95ml. (as immigration into GC would have been much higher) I would estimate something like 170 ml. in 2020. so also if we imagine its economy to be at least as good as modern Chile(which is possible) then, then...
The most ironic thing of this all, is that nowadays Venezuela has become the most centralized government and Colombia is taking steps to give more power to it's regions essentially decentralizing it.
It’s beautifully said in the constitution, steps aren’t being actually taken though, and until we actually do, we’ll not be able to fix like most of the problems we have. Also, it’s definitely not in the interest of the capitaline elite that despise people from the provinces
@@juandavidrestrepoduran6007 Well, It's a new thing really. I don't know if you watched the bicentenary celebration of the founding of Gran Colombia, but the president was talking how the state should be descentralized and introduced a new law giving the regions more free reigns over their budgets and administration.
it's not Maduros fault it's because of the bLoCkAdE lol
@Fabio Eduardo la verdad creo que nadie dio uno, porque la mayoría de los políticos de turno olvidan la existencia de la gran Colombia simplemente para no relacionarse tanto con sus homólogos de lo que fue la antigua Federación, nisiquiera por parte de Perez Jiménez hubo ese interes. es mas, solo Colombia ha tenido interés respecto al tema de manera política pero en lo social todos sabemos que una parte de la población odian o discriminan a sus vecinos.
Always wondered how history would have looked if gran columbia had survived
Gran Colombia clasped for the same reason the US almost did. Had they reformed, it'd probably be a continental power like the US and Brazil ended up.
Lot of corruption and many social conflicts just like today.
Well it’s not too late to try again
@@dyst0pi465 does this mean Colombia gets Panama back?
@@davidkelly4210 the us almost collapsed? Do you see the world now?
Yugoslavia: A mix of languages, religions and cultures. Held itself together for 47 years.
Gran Columbia: Same language, religion and culture. Broke apart after only 12 years.
There's plenty of mixed ethnicities in Gran Colombia. It was their inequalities part of the reason that made them break up.
In each city of the great Colombia you could see the difference of classes, for example while the farmers in Caracas lived a humble life planting rice, Workers in Bogotá lived well with their own premises and a little more than enough to live well, Great Colombia was also divided between Santanderists and Bolivarians
Multiculturalism always leads to Balkanization and it breaks up into multi-ethnic enclave nations. It happens in the multicultural USA and it will break up into several ethnic state-nations soon. That makes Yankee imperialism-hated Latin American people happy and rejoice! 🎆🤣✨
I mean your not wrong about the language and religion parts. But many things like class divisions, regional divides, and different ethnic groups exist. I would know. But what Yugoslavia got that we didn't have was Josip Broz Tito. Sure it still will lead to the collapse of Yugoslavia. But at least Tito did a better job keeping it a live till he died where Gran Columbia was just a mess and got worse then founded.
Not really, your comment is incorrect, the Creoles or European people born in America, lived only in the cities founded by Spaniards, different ethnic groups lived as tribes in jungles and mountains, each with their beliefs and different language
I am Brazilian but i would like to see this again.
I mean the land that went to brazil is just rainforest so you won’t lose out on much
Gran Colombia 🇨🇴 y el Imperio de Brazil 🇧🇷
@@blackchrysler You can still be Gran Colombia without that batch of land. Also without the land that went to Mexico (roughly the Loreto department). If Venezuela, Colombia, and Ecuador just unified that would already end up with a "Gran" Colombia, lol. (EDIT: the land that went to Peru, not Mexico)
Eae man 😳
@@TheColombiano89 Dom Pedro II i am a King
Makes you wonder if this is where the Federation idea from Call of Duty: Ghosts came from. Great video. New sub
@Commander Cody I really can't see all South America uniting into a single nation under any circumstances. Venezuela is on very thin ice and Colombia is going south also as is Brazil ( I think, I haven't heard of anything due to Covid getting the headlines for Brazil)
@@Sean12248 Colombia not Columbia
@@Sean12248 Columbia is the Canadian province, Colombia is the state.
@@zap648 also D.C. standing for District of Columbia
@Commander Cody I thought it was cool. Ghosts is actually one of my favorite campaigns. I actually just got done completing it on veteran... which is huge considering I always play campaigns on easy just for fun. And unlike most CoDs, it wasnt a standard Russia vs US game.. nor did it feature a rather boring antagonist. No, you have a war hero turned vicious villain.. hunting down his former comrades.
As a Colombian it makes me sad because every single one of these countries including mine would be way better off in the Global Market today. This also proves that in the beginning we all had the same interest, freedom! To be able to stop the massive explotation of the people and our resources. What a shame we couldn't even get together to better our futures, not too different from todays reality.
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It'd be interesting to see a video on the Federal Republic of Central America
How one country became six
Balkanisation before it was cool
Yeah, it's practically the same story.
I actually wondered why these nations had very similar flags and googled it a while ago and found out they were briefly one country. It's cool to see a concise video on the history of it all.
Except Panama... Our flag is totally different.
@@wtrdogg20 because the hand of usa
I'm from Santa Rosa de Cabal, Colombia, thanks for educating others that we had more once than just a Narco show and cocaine
PS: is see on your map you have the panama canal already ,although a thought since 1513, the canal was not built until 1914 and Gran Colombia ended in 1831
As a Colombian, It brings me some nostalgia when thinking about what would Grand Colombia be like in today's era, it's kind like how some Russians miss their Early Soviet Era when their country was much more big and powerful excluding their citizens conditions, thanks for this video man it was really cool
"Flee the country where a lone man holds all power: It is a nation of slaves"
- Simon Bolivar
Ironic
Well apparently a nation where a lone man doesn't hold all power(As Bolivar also wanted to become Emperor),will quickly crumble.
@@cesarparra6025 Alvaro Uribe left office in 2010 and lost his senatorial position 10 months ago. It's more like today's Venezuela under dictator and tyrant Nicolas Maduro.
@@rodolfo5022 People only started leaving Venezuela after the American invasions & blockade, after Britain stole Venezuelan gold reserves, etc. Colombia is right as we are writing in a state of revolt & people are leaving because it is a fascist state killing the people or selling them into drug cartel slavery. No amount of shitting into random youtube comment sections changes that fact.
@@Argacyan that's bullshit
Panamenian here, the separation of Panama from Colombia was due to the fact that the central colombian government denied de Herrán-Hay Treaty which was focused on the creation of the Panama Canal. The US allied panamenian separatist and with a couple of ships the separation was achived (Teddy's Big Stick), the Hay-Bunau Varilla treaty was one of the first international contacts done by the new state. The Hay-Bunau Varilla gave the territories where the canal would be build in perpetuity (in contrast with the Herrán-Hay which was for a period of 99 years). The Panamenian republican era in the XX century is marked with the struggled for the Canal, wich finally terminated with the signment of the Torrijos-Carter treaty.
Stop lying to yourself we all know deep down Panama was a normal departamento as any other in Colombia the only reason Panama became independent was because the U.S and other superpowers wanted Panama for them for is stretigic geography , Colombia wasn't able to defend is land because we had recently had a civil war in are country and we we're incapable to have any war or to protect are land in that time period...
It’s unfortunate that so many of the politicians at the time just didn’t have the vision that Bolivar had, in those times cities like Caracas, Santa Fe de Bogota, Quito, Lima etc looked at each other like aliens whereas Bolivar had an idea in his mind that is more in line with what the US would become but unfortunately by the time he died he witnessed one by one the fragmentation of his dream
Can you imagine the great colombia today? We would be a country with a population of almost 90 million, the combined industrial park of Colombia and Venezuela. All oil and natural gas, the Panama Canal etc... We would have an economy similar to the Brazilian one
you forgot cheap labor for the americans
@@professionalinsultant3206 You forgot the diabolical Zionists.
But you have to think would these countries grow the same as they did in history or would the country have gone to shit due to other reasons? You can’t just say they would just have all the same stuff modern countries do because they’re the same place different people with different policies and ideas form depending on the situation you’d never know
@@scottadler *sigh*
Colombia and Brazil may have come to blows in that reality, idk.
I’m mean just look at the feuds France and Britain had with each other.
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Simon Bolivar has to be one of the most tragic badasses in human history. Fought his ass off both on the battlefield and in politics for a dream that ultimately fell apart.
Not really, his goal was to liberate the Spanish colonies in northern South America and he did live to see that accomplished.
This made me think, Why did the First Mexican Empire collapse? Why did the Peru-Bolivian Confederation collapse? Why did the Federal Republic of Central America collapse?
Geography
Both mexican empires were just the white petty-bourgeois trying to recreate a smaller spanish empire in mexico, so thats why they failed. Peru-bolivia made complete sense but was thwarted by chile and argentina not wanting a strong neighbor/preferring to be bootlickers to the british. & the FRCA collapsed because the elites had no strong knowledge of self-governance thus the federal institutions were very weak.
@Mark Martinez yeah most likely, since they were much bigger and more centralized. But i think the region would have been better if the indigenous empires were never conquered, but i guess it wouldn’t be latin america then.
@Mark Martinez It's difficult to keep a country together when the regions are conneceted by such messy geography.
Isn't it mind blowing when you realize Mexico used to border Colombia? Panama was part of Colombia and Costa Rica was part of Mexico. Just google "Mexico at it's largest" and you'll see why so many Mexicans deep down are sad that Mexico couldn't live large. Now Mexico's only a shadow of its former self and as a Mexican it stings reals bad
Wow, I never knew about this. Well, another reason why I subbed to this channel.
This year's copa got me me thinking about Gran Colombia just a few days ago & now Knowledgia comes out with this😄
The same happened all over Latin America resulting in a lot of smaller separated different countries. The only one that did it a little better was Brazil. There could have been a United States of South America, but no... all because we're temperamental AF 😄
@alex' All the best we've been doing is killing each other over foolish reasons, making profit from anything for the sake of having something to eat while pretending to be the happiest continent on earth, Hell and Heaven at one place
@P4to D0l4n Well, you are not exactly a superpower neither, so we decline. And we wouldn't want anything to do with you in particular, more than with any other brazilian. And nobody asked you.
It would be interesting to see restored Gran Colombia today
Lol no
Not as interesting as seeing a Latin-American gov be stable for more than a couple decades ...
No thanks.
@@firstnamelastname4249 You would have the Panama Canal, oil wealth in Venezuela, as far as I know you can have all possible crops. I think you could even be a world superpower!
@@celticbalkan2219 if that was the case, all those individual countries would be wealthy and developed by now, but they aren’t. They have to get rid of the feudal spanish social order and reform many parts of society, otherwise reforming will just make a mexico 2.0
I literally had no idea Greater Columbia even existed, great video Knowledgia
The Empire of Mexico also existed and it went all the way down to Costa Rica. In a alternative universe Mexico and Colombia are still neighbors.
Their is a reason the national flags of Venezuela, Ecuador, and Colombia look the same
You mean colOmbia
A video about the Mexican Empire is on the way
There was also once a FRCA, federal republics of Central America, all of those small Central American states were one national n once. But do to a lot of factors from corruption to nationalism the state fell apart.
It's good to learn something new today, respect
i hope you make a video about the 3 Regencies of Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli between the 16th and 19th centuries, and the wars and politics in the Mediterranean during that era
This just makes me start up HOI4 and reform Gran Colombia as Colombia.
Or Victoria 2 Concert of Europe mod, where I can actually save the original Gran Colombia and build it up into a superpower.
Lol I might whip out Hoi4 just for this as well
Bolivar's empire is the only right way to do it.
Man j wish I could learn hoi4 but it's so goddamn complicated
@@myamdane6895 it's way easier than trade ship simulator aka eu4
I actually was learning a bit more about Simon Bolivar about two weeks ago throught Vlogging Through History reaction to ExtraHistory videos on him. Happy to see this one as well.
i hope you are getting the raw information, bolivar, like all influential leaders of the american independence movements has undergone a extense make up job of a lot of his political and military actions, he died being perceived a dictator, yes he also achieved good and useful things but he also made a lot of mistakes and committed more than a few crimes, point is that not everything is black and white, triple check history and distrust sources that speak of him like he was the second coming of christ
He is an amazing character to study, He has his lights and shadows as anybody in history
Hold on. Panama's seperation which has explained in limited time, is very important I guess.
Before 1881, USA has no interest on Colombia. In 1881 French started to build the canal but failed in 1889.
When Panama was seperated? 1903.
When USA took over canal building: 1904.
USA saw that canal's strategical importance, they moved forward to seperate Panama from the federation.
Yes, Panama separated from Colombia with lot of help from USA. The Panama Canal was the most important reason of that.
Correction: Ecuador was far larger back then. The part of Gran Colombia which is now Peru was Ecuador's land. They lost it sometime about late 19th century.
@Renzo Alarcón Peru was not part of Gran Colombia, where that patch of land was.
@alex' I like expulsed…that’s what we did to gain that territory on the east
@Renzo Alarcón That was Ecuadorian land for the majority of history, and up till the the 30s
Well maps overlapped back then. Peruvians claim they lost land to Colombia and Ecuador and those countries claim that they lost land to Peru. Colombia and Ecuador claimed that their border was the Amazon river and Peru claimed that their border was the Caqueta river to the north and the Andes to the west.
Yeah?, care to show your proof?
Sometimes people are so short sighted…you’re stronger together
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Great work man, appreciated.
"He arado en el mar y he sembrado en el viento"
-Simón Bolívar, 1830
Oof.
Pobre
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Claro, si no quería cambiar su idea de todo centralizado, cerrado y terco... Claro que terminó así...
@@wtrdogg20 cuando se intentó la primera vez terminó en el período de la patria boba, cada caudillo de su territorio viendo por sus propios intereses y los españoles retomaron el poder, el federalismo era una buena idea que fue muy mal implementada
The United States was very fortunate not only to have Washington but also Adam's, Jefferson and an aging Franklin. That meant stability for a generation.
Can you do the "Federal Republic of Central America"
As a Colombian I would love to reunify my country with our long lasted brothers. We are all literally the same people Colombians Venezuelans Ecuatorians and Panamanians. We are stronger when we work together.
I am Panamanian, and we all know, and you too, that Colombia had Panama as the forgotten backyard. Panama was the poorest Department in all Great Colombia, and we really don't want to be that kind of "brother" anymore. No wonder why Panamenian people back then wasted no chance and took the help from USA to get the hell out of the Colombian control and become an independent republic, with our problems and progress, goods and bads, but indepedent and not part of Colombia.
Don'tt get me wrong, Colombia is a nice country now, I like visiting Colombia, but we are definitely way better this way, as good neighbors and nothing else.
@@wtrdogg20 we could be like USA. Independent states but still all part of a very big nation
Yeah, so much wasted potential. Look at Venezuela with its massive oil reserves and yet they're facing monumental struggles. As a Colombian, I wish our country could've been unified into a much better nation than what it is today.
@@sam_9228 One day it might be, La Gran Colombia.
@@eliotacura9080 Eso espero 🤞
The Liberator on netflix is an amazing movie about Simon Bolivar
Meh..
Yeah I liked it too but it is too long winding on the personal drama and skips on some important battles.
I'd watch it if it wasn't 60 hours
can't wait to play colombia in vicky 3.
Lol, I just formed Grand Colombia in Vicky 2 the other day, it was a really fun campaign! But yeah I’m really excited for Vicky 3 too!
I had to form it in Victoria 2 and was almost instantly a great power
In one game after restoring Gran Colombia, I managed to colonize parts of Africa (rubber area around the west/center).
It grew so powerful I could beat back France by myself.
Me Spain to reconquer all Hispanic america
Thanks for the information!
"And included bits of Peru and Brazil"...
Guyana is crying rn
@Alex ' tell that to every Venezuelan map ever.
The most stupid bit of the video. That big chunk of Brazilian land, like, are you kidding me?, lol
A video on how and why all of Spain's American colonies rebelled against her (basically) at the same time, would be a great video I think. That is a topic that I don't know as much about as I should, and it something that I can't think of a single other RUclips channel covering. So it would be great for you to cover I think.
I live in Chile, naturally we have covered it in school, but whenever a professor in university has to go into it they usually have very unique takes, sometimes more locally-centered, sometimes more universal. It is generally assumed it had to do with trade limitations, the caste system and the power vacuum made by Napoleon. Nevertheless, every new take I find to be extremelly interesting, and yes, it does deserve its own video.
@@martinbeckdorf4565 it was mainly napoleon
It was mostly Napoleon’s fault, Spain was weakened, the USA took The Philippines and Cuba, they lost their Armada Invencible fleet fighting with England, they were no longer a strong Empire, therefore the colonies size the opportunity with direct or indirect help from France, UK and USA
@@Fonsecaj89 The USA didn't take the Philippines and Guam until much after the Spanish American colonies were freed. The US didn't take them until 1898 and never took Cuba. Cube was released.
Something many people don't know is the US government and the majority of the US population didn't want the Philippines either after the Spanish American war. The US President at the time McKinney told the 2 diplomats he sent to France to negotiate the peace with Spain for the war not to take the Philippines. But during the peace conference the British representatives convinced the 2 US diplomats into taking the Philippines. They were able to do this by correcting explaining that if the US didn't take the Philippines that another nation would. Most likely Germany but Russia or Japan were options as well. Germany had actually tried getting into the Spanish American war to get the Philippines as it was. The British representatives also told their American counterparts that if the US didn't take the Philippines then Britain likely wold have to just to prevent Germany from getting them. So the American representatives found it as the best option for the US to take the Philippines because they felt they would treat the Philippines better than any of the other possible nations. Which was also true. Once the Filipino people released the Americans were not trying to exploit them as their past colonial masters had they stopped trying to rebel against the US. They released the Philippines didn't actually having anything the US wanted or needed and was just holding the territory as a effective far east military base.
Napoopleon betrayed Spain with masons in Spain and Portugal colluding with French ones. The Synagogue of Satan wanted Spain crippled because it was getting too powerful. The atheistic narcissistic self-righteous opinions of the French Revolution then poisoned all of Latin America with nonsense like the bandwagon fallacy called dumbocracy, and the notion that women are equal to men, a lie according to biology.
Venezuelans felt betrayed because they were the ones who gave the most soldiers, weapons, generals and high command for independence, they expected them to be predominant and not Bogota.
Yes, but you have to take in consideration that Gran Colombia state structure was built from the remains of the colonial administrative structure, which held the political power of he viceroyality in Santafé, today's Bogotá. But more importantly, Quito, New Granada and Venezuela were divided in its own administrative entities before Gran Colombia existed, and the colonial rule held them together under the Virreinato figure only for practical terms.
Absolutely not, Venezuela was inferior in population, soldiers and discipline that's why Bolivar escaped to nueva Granada and recruited the men from there, Venezuelans were mostly llaneros who lacked military discipline, neogranadines were a lot more educated and militarily trained, Venezuela was separated bc they noticed the inferiority they were so arrogant that they would not accept the capital being Bogota, to this day they still pay the price of their betrayal to the nation, hope they are cursed to migrate and wander all over America for another 1000 years
Wrong, as the guy above said Bolivar first escaped towards Colombia because Venezuelans officials didn't want to support his movement and betrayed him, then with the forces he recruited from his campaigns in Colombia, he crossed the border and conquered Venezuela.
Torres, Caldas and all the criollos in Santa fé financed the campain in Venezuela before 1816.
Colombia after delivering the vast majority of men, weapons, economy, in addition to taking Bolívar out of his exile in Haiti to start the first successful independence revolt against Spain in that region (There were 2 others first, for example Venezuela, but the Venezuelans were very scared and decided not to support him, which led to the arrest of the dictator Bolívar and his exile in Haiti), for something the vast majority of battles during the separation took place in Colombian territory between unionists, federalists and separatists due to the horrible campaigns of Peru led by Bolívar, which led to great support for Santander that proposed federalism and ultimately the independence of Colombia
I'm from Ecuador and I think it's a shame that this happened. We could've been a stronger country if we had remained united.
I love Ecuador and the women are sweeter than ripe wine. But this comment is not necessarily true. The pro lems with colombia and venezuela would ha e spilled over if they did not already. There is so much apathy in south America right now. South america needs a strong man.
Also my friend, I'm trying to visit, care to share with an American about Ecuador? You ha e an email?
@@PolishBehemoth Visit Quito, Cuenca or the Galapagos. Those would be my recommendations.
@@rodycaz8984 ty my friend. Do you have an email? Would you like to hang in ecuador?
OK but then we might not have got one of the greatest Trance tracks ever. So there is always a positive side.
The fate of the United States if the Union had listened to people who wanted a weak government, and if the south had won lmao
You realize the United States were a federal government? and also, that the reason of the collapse of Gran Colombia were the tensions caused by the centralized government. Even loyal Generals who fought in the independence war with him rebelled.
@@argenisjimenez8118 In the USA, the federal Government is limited I'm it's powers. Most people's day to day lives are governed by State government.
The Feds mainly handle international trade & treaties, interstate commerce between the states, creating Uniform policies across states (like road signage), overseeing national parks, funding military (which isn't supposed to be deployed within the USA. Each States National Guard over sees home defense military).
States handle Things like education, criminal laws, police, and most things that impact a citizen's daily life.
Indeed. If the US didn't replace its Articles of Confederation with the US Constitution, back in 1789, the country could've very well collapsed shortly after.
@@mjh48059 It was collapsing.
@@masstv9052 You do not understand what's a federation x unitarian state. Every federation in the world gives privileges to it's federal government in order to negociate international terms, public right, etc., otherwise it wouldn't be a sovereign state, just an agreement between nations like nafta. The difference is that it has it's local governments with constitutional powers and duties, unlike france for instance, that it has a hierarchy between the federal and the local governments (the states are merely administrative provinces, a lesser part of the federal government, like a department)
I just googled this yesterday, nice coincidence to see a good video about the breakup of Gran Colombia
Ikr there’s not much on Gran Colombia on youtube
Bolivar's dream was to create a great nation over all the Hispanic territories in America, from Alaska to the Rio de la Plata, this includes the viceroyalties, viceroyalty of Nueva España, Viceroyalty of Nueva Granada, Viceroyalty of Peru and Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata, and its name would be Colombia in honor of Cristobal Colon.
Bolivar was present at the coronation of Napoleon in Paris, and this influenced his dream even more, Unfortunately the different territorial entities were too busy in internal revolts to achieve a unification, if the United States had been unified, the United States would probably never have obtained the territories of Mexico.
For all this and more, in 1948 the declaration of the Organization of American States was signed in Bogota, Colombian capital.
I don't want to be ruled by Colombians.
@Alex ' Would Americans rather be ruled by corrupt U.S officials or corrupt ENGLISH officials?
@@Halcon_Sierreno Yes you do.
@@CapitanJusticia F Colombia.
This was super interesting. Thank you!
Eyyy! Nobody, as far as I’ve known, really talks about the revolutions in South America, and if anything is talked about South America, it’s usually associated with the Inca, Aztecs, and the pre-colonial tribes and states of South America. Really nice to see this! New sub!
Aztecs were in present day Mexico, genius.
Fun fact: Simon Bolivar asked USA for a loan to fund the independence campaign for the Greater Colombia. However, after each country left the GC, none of them took their share of the loan, so, to this day, Colombia is still paying for all countries' independence.
Imagine not being able to pay a debt in almost 2 centuries, one would think that with all the profits from drug trafficking Colombia would be able to pay their debt in less than a year smh
@@Terry_Bell the thing is, that money doesn't belong nor to the people, nor to the State, so it can't be used for public debt payments. Besides, that money is illegal, so...
Now, in the 80's Pablo Escobar had accumulated so much money, that he even offered to pay the public debt, in exchange of permission to continue doing whatever the F he wanted. The President at that time said NO F-ING WAY! because Escobar's gangs were so violent, that there wasn't a day where Colombia didn't wake up with carbombs news. That period of time is still called "La violencia". Thousands were killed by Escobar and his minions.
@@Terry_Bell that is because we were not independent, we were kidnapped by a corrupt political caste that had personal problems against Spain, we the ordinary citizens, we had no problem against Spain, and most of the soldiers of the Spanish side were the same natives of the Spanish colonies, nobody forced them, nobody forced them to fight for Spain, they fought for their own conviction, this was such, that for the independence fighters to win they had to ask English mercenaries from the Napoleonic wars to form the core of the army, because nobody in Colombia, Venezuela or Ecuador wanted to fight alongside the independence fighters, in the end we lost and we had to adapt to the new reality, a reality of poverty, because the independence fighters to finance their army of mercenaries sold all the resources of their countries to powers like England or France, which were abusive, nobody asked for that, nobody wanted that, they did it on their own, and because of their ambitions of power we are a disaster today, the independence was a mistake.
An interesting idea for an alternate history, greater Colombia had they held together would be one of the top 20 economies in the world.
What a great video ! Thank you for this!
Thank you very much for your great videos and for sharing the link to curiosity stream - I've just signed in.
So two thing's, you didn't mention the Gran Colombia war with Peru, and you showed 1930's Ecuadorian boundaries instead of the 1830's boundaries at the end of the video.
love the Panama canal of 1831
True
@@dalegamburg8995 lol ikr?
Very good video, greetings from Panama
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Very informative. Thank you.
So interesting! Thnx.
I'm an American. I once asked a Colombian friend when they were going to take back Ecuador and Venezuela and restore Gran Colombia? Surprised, he looked at me and asked, 'Where did you learn about that?' I said, 'I read'. (It was before RUclips and Knowledgia! LOL!)
What is known as Colombia today is not the same as it used to be. So they wouldn’t be “retaking” Venezuela or Ecuador. It was New Granada back them. Also Bolivar was Venezuelan, so there’s also that
MODERN colombia is not the same as gran Colombia, it was a union they just took the name
@@susactivities_ tienes razón mi hermano , bolívar era venezolano
pero la cosa es que cuando Venezuela se separo le prohibió a bolívar volver si no quería ser eliminado
@@Merluso415 fuente?
@@benjaminamos107 mi profesor de historia , videos en RUclips y recorridos históricos que dan en el centro de Bogotá :p
Im from India. For our 10th year public exam, the history textbook was a crammed compilation of world history, and Indian history ( from antiquity to 1975). A whole chapter was dedicated to the colonization of North America and the US Revolution but just one line for the Spanish American liberation.
That's a shame.
Don't feel bad. As an American I know very little about India's history other than the split from British rule and the proceeding war with Pakistan.
Very educative and interesting. Thanks for this contribution to better understand what we see today.
Nicely explained.
If you have a large country with a geographically dispersed population, you need it to be a Federation. And if you want long term unity and democracy, you need a multi party Parliamentary system.
But the problem Bolivar saw was that regional government was not ready yet for a federal stile government, there were so many issues that only a central government could solve. Bolivar's idea was to do that then go for a federal structure. His mistake was to go help Peru before solidifying the government, but in his defense, he still saw that having Spanish power inserted in the southern borden was dangerous to the republic. That backfired badly.
Not really. India is diverse . We are described best as a quasi-federation. Not a unitary state but not really centralized. Sure once in a while a state head quibbles about federalism and greater control over resources, but that is forgotten when their party is in power.
@@gazpachopolice7211 India had to face partition because a decentralized cabinet mission plan failed. As an Indian, I dislike Jinnah, Jihadis and Muslims League for dividing India, but one thing Muslims were right in, was India to be a decentralized federation.
@@HectorGarcia-bu6lf Excellent analysis
If Bolivar had listened to Santander about the economic problems that Gran Colombia was fasing after its independence and that it was needed to rebuild the nation after it then maybe just maybe shit could had not gone south so fast and the union would had survived. Bolivar great general, terrible politician.
Simon Bolivar was no George Washington.
Exactly and a became a terrible Tyrant. He thought the way to go was for him to have lifelong Presidency or to bring a formed king from the Europe. Santander was more of a Clasical centrist lawyer and statesman. The tragedy was in most part b/c of a power struggle of them both. If perhaps Sucre had taken on he was perhaps a middle ground among those, and would have represented Ecuatorians in the Federation. I think Europe powers nor American powers where very happy in that, that new force consolidated.
@@juansenaranjo where Washington only served two terms as President and didn't run for a third term voluntarily.
@@juansenaranjo but didn't a Santander try to kill Bolivar or something?
@@gazpachopolice7211 To be more precise Nariño and Santander. Both got a lot of reasons to do so but they agreed that Bolivar was trying to make a new monarchy with him as the king and the fact that he self proclaimed as president didnt help one bit. So in their eyes they were just changing from one monarch to another.
South American history is fascinating it's worth understanding why North America, Canada and The USA successful and all of the mainly Spanish speaking countries have struggled
Ooh new video:)
As a Venezuelan, Paez' betrayal of Bolivar is one of the worst things ever happened in our country's history. He also was the main antagonist in our civil war, he was fighting in favor of slavery and death penalty
"he was fighting in favor of slavery and death penalty" Just like Simon Bolivar himself.
@@alejandrosotomartin9720 Bolivar wasnt ever fighting in favor of those things, he just never opposed them. Indpendence from Spain wasnt to preserve slavery or executions
@@ssach7 No, but they kept it.
@@alejandrosotomartin9720 Yeah, and we to this day keep a system of opressed social classes that live in ranchos in the barrios. each generation has its own central fight
“If the enemy leaves a door open, you must rush in.” - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Great video, didn't know anything about it before.
You never learn about this stuff in school. Thanks for this great lesson!
Bolivar was a dictator, that's why the project failed, he only sought power for himself. Santander even say "I have not fought fourteen years against Ferdinand VII to now have a king named Simon I". Bolivar is not the hero we all think.
Fr, in fact, the entire spanish american wars of independence completely favored the criollo elite and they continued ruling the countries like feudal aristocracies pretty much to this day. Its the main reason why our countries are shit, it should have been peasants that revolted 300 years ago, not the petty bourgeois.
Era una mierda; un traidor, un masón, un adorador del diablo secretamente como Washington.
@@shiny_teddiursa okay communist. I can tell you are indigenous or sympathetic to their plight. but those civilizations are dead and not coming back. European descendants ruling Latin America is only natural
@@scintillam_dei JAJAJAJA
@@nailersrule Mira "El apotheosis de Washington" lo cual significa "el convertirse en un dios de Washington" una doctrina "luciferina". España, Portugal, Inglaterra ET AL era controlados por los templarios como demuestran sus símbolos, y los templarios se convirtieron en los masones. La ONU tiene 33 secciones en su logo. Adivina el número de los grados en la masonería.
Gran Colombia is one of the countries that interests me the most. If it still existed today, it seems like Colombia would be a much stronger country than it is now. 🇵🇦🇻🇪🇪🇨🇨🇴
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Would’ve just been a bigger shithole
Another day another great video by Knowledgia, can you do a video about the battle of Nezib, it's 182nd anniversary was yesterday (June 24th), and it was one of Egypt's greatest victories, please I am Egyptian.
Very nice 👍
Hi knowledgia,
Thank You for making this video.
If possible can you please do a video on chola empire.
Time to unify these four countries to form the new Gran Colombia. 🤝👍🏼
If only that was possible... Sadly not anytime soon
We take it for granted that the United States held together for so long, but what happened to Gran Colombia could have just as easily happened up north. I consider it a miracle that the United States has existed in tact for over 200 years.
Thanks 😊
I wish Colombia well. They have issues right now. I hope peace reigns again🥲
In fact Gran Colombia was the first country who got balkanized
Without serious war
No, that title is for the Federal Republic of Central America. That one more truly ressembles what happened in the Balkans.
This was awesome. I've never heard of Greater Colombia before
THANK YOU MAN FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO ABOUT MY COUNTRIES BIGGEST EXTENT (Even though it was total failure, thanks alot 😊)
Because in Latin America we have dedicated ourselves to splitting countries during political disagreements rather than uniting under a common cause. That's why we have 19 failed states. Que me importa la bandera mia si celebro un continente.
They're not failed, but definitely inconsequential.
Loving these videos Knowledgia! Could you do how the Mexican Empire collapsed?
very interesting
For the hope of any unification, people in these countries needs to act like belonging of the same country and not like different class of people
It's kinda sad how nowdays people from Colombia or Venezuela acts like they are superior to other latin america nations even thought they are kinda the same
Bolivar sought to unite Latin America under one banner. Due to infighting this would never come to fruition.
Bolivar was an anti democrat dictator, that's why he failed
@@christianbenalcazar7606 True, but he cared about his countrymen, supposedly.
Infighting that was caused because him & the other white elites thought that they could keep the same feudal social system used by the spanish which was the main root of instability in the first place.
@Renzo Alarcón yeah real glad, Latin America did great divided
I think we were better under the Spanish Monarchy, Bolívar and other “Liberators” set a political precedent for failure and subsequent poverty.
excellent video and very well told the events. In short, Greater Colombia disappeared due to selfishness, individual interests and the desire for power of militar leaders, as it continues to occur in Latin America today. Perhaps Spanish America was not mature enough to walk alone. The present shows it. Latin America does not finish solving the problems left by its wars of independence, or rather, civil wars. Bolívar already said it in his last days: "The America is ungovernable. What has to be done is to emigrate."
Lets get This straight, These are still very rich countries, the cause of the colapse IS the disgusting amount of corruption that there IS across south América.
GRAN COLOMBIA FAILED BECAUSE BY THAT TIME DISTANCES WERE TOO DIFFICULT TO OVERCOME. THE SITUATION IS DIFFERENT NOW.
Bruh, although I’m colombian, I’d never heard this story
Thanks for the video
Well look how you write bruh
@@TheColombiano89 what do u mean?
@@TheColombiano89 Se te va a subir el ego por saber hablar ingles?
@@samuelsanchez5824 CREO que se refiere a que usaste "would" y un verbo en pasado en la misma oración
@@schweinefleischteinvonreic5573 para de llorar lambon
So much stuff happened that it is easier to ask why it didn't collapse
But it did...
Besides the invasion of the US that took much of the territory, Mexico also had several separatist movements in its own history. The Yucatan declared their own republic, Tabasco tried to seperate and there was the Republic of the Rio Grande formed by Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas, Coahuila and parts of South Texas with the capital being in Laredo.
Good content! The pronunciation of "Bolivar" is funny, it almost sounds like he says "Boulevard". Boh-lee-var